GRRM vs. The Wars of the Roses

[@worfwednesday]

The Return of Sean! Queuing this up for tonight! More comments to follow...!

[@archmaesterrenny9569]

Yes, please, an episode on The Anarchy!

[@darrellhenry9152]

Just want to say how much I appreciate the show for providing us with content like this. You can tell they put a lot of effort into keeping all the details straight while also finding the parallels to ASOIAF. Don't know if any of you have ever read the Accursed Kings series by Maurice Druon. The series is historical fiction that focuses on the lead up to the hundred years war and I found it riveting. Would love to see a similar pod on the hundred years war.

[@greergladney4553]

Also it was the dowager Queen, Elizabeth Woodville and Margaret Beaufort that arranged the marriage between Elizabeth of York and Henry Tudor.

[@Coffeewiththegods]

Man! I really enjoyed this! Please do more! I could listen to you guys compare real life history to ASOIAF alll day!

[@1997Nightwing]

Definitely want to see more comparison to historical periods like the post-War of the Roses era, enjoyed this stream a lot!

[@greergladney4553]

Margaret Beaufort was 13 when she gave birth to Henry Tudor.

[@sinejensen4472]

13:10 Yay 😀 Well done 👏

[@mattries37315]

1:11:00 The Battle of Mortimer's Cross happened before Edward(-Robert) and Richard the Kingmaker entered London-Westminster so the former could claim the throne. Also earlier in the episode I believe you said that Richard(-Rickard) put Henry Holland the Duke of Exeter in jail among others, but Richard(-Rickard) was Henry's father-in-law because he had married Richard(-Rickard)"s eldest daughter, Anne. But Henry Holland was a piece of sh*t as he kept on changing sides so he was attained in 1461 and separated from Anne in 1464 and she was given his lands for their daughter to inherit once Anne died, and yes he "mysteriously drowned" during Edward(-Robert)'s invasion of France in 1475 because all the York brothers hated their former brother-in-law and technically he was a Lancastrian claimant through his grandmother a daughter of John of Gaunt. Edward(-Joffrey) was a little younger than Richard(-Stannis), but a lot younger than Edward(-Robert) by 11 and George(-Renly) by 7 years respectfully. Actually the Tower of London was where kings were housed before their coronation so Edward V being there wasn't unusual, it was only in the Tudor era that it became known as a prison. Whether Richard III was personally responsible--as in ordering--for the death of his nephews or not, whether legitimate or illegitimate as Edward IV's only surviving brother Richard was responsible for their well being. So the disappearance of Edward's sons is political damaging just as much as them being alive makes Richard III's throne shaky. So if the Princes died violently during Richard's reign, then he would have culpability to some degree either as the instigator or failing to protect them. Personally I think it was either Richard OR the Duke of Buckingham; Richard's motive is obvious, but the Duke of Buckingham was descended from Edward III and so had a claim to the throne (Henry VIII would execute this Duke's son because he had designs on the throne) and did revolt against Richard III soon after the Princes disappeared either because Richard had them killed or he did in an attempt for the throne. Richard III wasn't beheaded, his corpse was tied naked on the back of horse and paraded through Leicester before being buried in a church that was later destroyed and the area eventually became a parking lot before his skeleton was discovered in 2012. Also the War of the Roses ended with the Battle of Stoke when Henry VII defeated John de la Pole, Edward-(Robert) and Richard(-Stannis)'s nephew through their sister Elizabeth. John claimed to be supporting a someone who claimed to be his cousin, the real son of George(-Renly) who was attained from the throne through his father and was possibly mentally disabled BUT was in a prison at the time, but most everyone believed if John had won and Henry VII had died then John would have claimed the throne as the "senior Yorkist".

[@HistoryofWesteros]

Thanks for the clarifications and corrections my man! Holland was the one who I was referring to when I said he got Allar Deem'ed later in the episode.

[@sit-insforsithis1568]

2:09

[@Valkanna.Nublet]

Whenever I look at all the same, and similar, names in history I'm glad I'm not studying French hidtory with their 18 Louis (and that's just the ones who got crowned)

[@sit-insforsithis1568]

1:57:30

[@gm9460]

Sort of mistake to draw too many parallels to the Dance characters even if there are names like “kingmaker”. Dance is the Anarchy (pretty closely as well). Main story is Roses. Warwick is Tywin. He is kingmaker due to his funding of the successful claimant (and Warwick supports Edward 1 / Bobby B) to the throne

[@Iruma366]

Richard Duke of York was never officially heir to the Throne. Nor did he have the best claim to it. George of York was never 2nd in line to the Lancastrian throne. You seem to be getting your facts from Shakespeare, he was a playwright not a historian. Not that some of them are any better.

[@therexinator7139]

Anyone interested should read ‘Unruly’ by David Mitchell - discusses all the kings and queens of ‘England’ Really good funny informative read! 📖📚📖