Guide To Integrating With Your Shadow - NEW Jordan Peterson Insights & Old + Carl Jung

[@JoshRueff]

Hey guys, thank you for your comments and support for this video, it's definitely one of the better ones, performance-wise. Your kind (and even a couple not so kind) comments contribute to that, so thank you! That said, not everyone will appreciate everything this video covers, and I understand that. Recently, it's been brought to my attention that the Koine Greek word "praus" may actually mean something different from the definition Jordan Peterson gives (at least slightly). I don't think Peterson is wrong, but of course it's possible, and I'm digging into all of the sources I have on the subject. If you have any sources to back up either argument, please feel free to post them below - the truth is what we're trying to get at here. And with that in mind, here's my attempt to give you a clearer picture of what I believe the word means - not to prove to you that I'm right btw - I'm actually not claiming that. Just trying to get to the truth, and I think the following sources help. (This should at least give a clearer understanding of the word, which clearly means "gentle" at least, and is often used when speaking of the gentleness of a person or animal with either power, authority, or some form of admirable strength). Within the context of the following for example, praus seems to mean something like "gentleness" to a subordinate or lower creature - in the scriptures, it's often used in the context of a more powerful person or person of authority correcting someone "lower" in a sense, or disciplining them, and in ancient Greece it was clearly often used to express gentleness with a "lower" creature, or to describe a powerful animal's gentle or mild nature; self control or gentleness despite great power implied. The "gentle" creature spoken of often has great strength, power and/or nobility, like a warhorse, or a god (see below): Above all, this word does NOT mean weak. Or timid. "Gentle, despite having strength or power" - something like that is closer to correct if not completely correct. I believe this is oftentimes and perhaps always a perfectly reasonable translation. Xenophon, for example, uses the word this way, in numerous formats: he talks about "gentle" animals, "gently" training horses, "gently taming" an aggressive dog, and the "gentleness" of soldiers toward their warhorses - in no way does Christ's use of the word or other Greek uses of the word imply "weak" or "timid": “Had you a sheep dog that was friendly to the shepherds, but growled when you [the master/ owner] came near him, it would never occur to you to get angry, but you would try ‘to tame’ (πραΰνειν/ praunein) him by kindness.” Anabasis “After this Cyrus marched four stages, twenty parasangs, to the Chalus river, which is a plethrum in width and full of large, tame (πραέων/ praeōn) fish; these fish the Syrians regarded as gods, and they would not allow anyone to harm them, or the doves, either.” On Horsemanship “If you want to correct a spirited horse when he is going too fast, do not pull him suddenly, but quietly check him with the bit, ‘soothing’ (πραΰνοντα/ praunonta) him, not forcing him, to a quiet pace.” “Accordingly, at the moment of mounting, the rider should take care to worry [the horse] as little as possible; and when he is mounted, he should let him stand still longer than is otherwise usual, and then direct him to go by the ‘most gentle’ (πρᾳοτάτοις/ praotatois) aids. Then let him begin at a very slow pace and increase the speed with the same gentle help, so that the horse will not be aware of the transition to a quicker motion.” “It should also be known that a horse can be taught ‘to be calm’ (πραΰνεσθαι/ praunesthai) by a chirp with the lips and to be roused by a cluck with the tongue. And if from the first you use with the cluck aids to calm him (τὰ πραέα), and with the chirp aids to rouse him, the horse will learn to rouse himself at the chirp and ‘to calm down’ (πραΰνεσθαι/ praunesthai) at the cluck.” Economics “As you know, we call those creatures noble that are beautiful, great, and helpful, and yet gentle (πραέα/ praea) towards men.” Cyropaedia “Cyrus also took care that [soldiers] should never come to luncheon or to dinner unless they had had a sweat. For he would get them into a sweat by taking them out hunting; or he would contrive such sports as would make them sweat; or again, if he happened to have some business or other to attend to, he so conducted it that they should not come back without having had a sweat. For this he considered conducive to their enjoying their meals, to their health, and to their being able to endure hardships, and he thought that hardships conduced to their being ‘more reasonable’ (πρᾳοτέρους/ praoterous) toward one another, for even horses that work together stand ‘more quietly’ (πρᾳοτέρους/ praoterous) together. At any rate, those who are conscious that they have been well drilled are certainly more courageous in the face of the enemy.” www.preceptaustin.org/matthew_1129_commentary - "As noted above the Greeks characterized meekness as power under control and in the case of the Spirit filled believer this means that he or she is under the control of God's Spirit. From a practical standpoint, the individual who is "praus" exhibits a freedom from malice, bitterness, or any desire for revenge. The only way to truly define meekness is in the context of relationships because it refers to how we treat others. A gentle spirit should characterize our relationship with both man and God." "Prautes was used in secular Greek writings to describe a soothing wind, a healing medicine, and a colt that had been broken. In each instance, there is power for a wind can become a storm, too much medicine can kill and a horse can break loose. Thus prautes describes power under control." Note that this word was not used by the Greeks to describe "broken, that is, tamed" humans, only animals - that is clearly stated in multiple non-religious definitions. "Prautes is an interesting word. Aristotle defined it as the correct mean between being too angry and being never angry at all. It is the quality of the man whose anger is so controlled that he is always angry at the right time and never at the wrong time. It describes the man who is never angry at any personal wrong he may receive, but who is capable of righteous anger when he sees others wronged." The meek person does not have to fly off the handle because he has everything under control. "Barclay comments on James 1:21 writing that this man will receive the word with gentleness. (humility = prautes). Gentleness is an attempt to translate the untranslatable word prautes. This is a great Greek word which has no precise English equivalent. Aristotle defined it as the mean between excessive anger and excessive angerlessness; it is the quality of the man whose feelings and emotions are under perfect control." Andronicus Rhodius, commenting on Aristotle, writes, “Prautes is moderation in regard to anger … You might define prautes as serenity and the power, not to be lead away by emotion, but to control emotion as right reason dictates.” "The Platonic definitions say that prautes is the regulation of the movement of the soul caused by anger. It is the temperament (krasis) of a soul in which everything is mixed in the right proportions." Barclay adds that prautes: "describes the man whose temper is always under complete control. He knows when to be angry and when not to be angry. He patiently bears wrongs done to himself but is ever chivalrously ready to spring to the help of others who are wronged." biblehub.com/greek/4239.htm www.preceptaustin.org/titus_32#gentleness%20prautes www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:abo:tlg,0032,006:1:5:14&lang=original www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:abo:tlg,0032,013:9:3&lang=original www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DHorse.%3Achapter%3D9%3Asection%3D5 www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DHorse.%3Achapter%3D9%3Asection%3D10 www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0212%3Atext%3DEc.%3Achapter%3D15%3Asection%3D4 www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0208%3Abook%3D2%3Achapter%3D3%3Asection%3D9 www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0202%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D4%3Asection%3D9&fbclid=IwAR0C61X23MW1FV8N0p3tOa5n4oK4V2CMMxVWvg9iwZpXP8u_YrrmGcLVPuc www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0204%3Abook%3D2%3Achapter%3D1%3Asection%3D29

[@VikasArora1121980]

Wow, Kudos to you for your extensive research and subsequently informative post. God bless you and your family.

[@JoshRueff]

@@VikasArora1121980 Thank you Vikas, I really appreciate that. And the same to you and your's!

[@jackiedouglas4483]

@ the unconventional compass you really are long-winded and a parasite piggy backing on this.

[@lucyhanks500]

Lol, and there was I thinking I was unpopular for writing long messages too extensive. I wonder how long it will take to read his messages via a tv and radio, then stick copious amounts of the wrong labels on like a faulty barcode in a corner shop; before complaining about loosing ‘followers’ (does sheep count equal money?), such a nice way to be thought of.

[@jonathanweilbacher9714]

Nice bud. Still reading. Good bless.

[@LeafyClips420]

Here's what I understood from this : Shadow is basically those negative 'thoughts' or 'emotions' we tend to surpress, due to to external factors, such as society, laws, upbringing, or circumstances. An example from my own life would be when I was slapped on my face by my school teacher. I had not done homework(along with several others) who she made stand for her period as a punishment. She came to me and said "you're smiling in punishment, thats so disrespectful". I said no, I'm not smiling (because I wasn't, I just had a happy face perhaps. I wasn't stressed out about the punishment because literally half of the class hadn't done homework.) After slapping once, she said 'you're still smiling' and proceeded to slap me once again. Now I'm from India and a teacher slapping student is normal here. Though I was in one of the best schools and violence like this wasn't allowed. Though it is still used for students involved in bullying and fights. I don't remember what I thought that time, but now when I think about it, part of me feels like I should have slapped her back. To give a benefitting reply. To let her know that she just can't get away with this. But ofcourse, I did not do that. I came home and told my parents. They reported her to the higher authorities in school. She got off with a warning. I never saw her use violence again (atleast in my class). I was a kid back then (in 6th grade). So you can imagine the reasons why I made the instantaneous decision to not hit back. But then I understand why we are conditioned to such societal norms. Not everyone is wise enough to now misuse their shadow. Society will go nuts if everyone becomes their shadow. And 'integrating' shadow is not everyone's cup of tea. These norms, morals and upbringing do a good job in reducing violence and mayhem. But one of their potential side effect is that they produce a weak citizen. Still, I can imagine a situation where standing up against someone can have consequences. For example, if you have a toxic boss, standing up (as your shadow says) can set a good example, boost one's confidence but might cost one his/her employment. In conclusion, the idea is to constantly become stronger. Having the capability to adapt. Getting empowered through a comprehensive education. And beating the shit out of anyone who tries to mess up with you.

[@illiJomusic]

This is one of the clearer videos on integration of the shadow

[@JoshRueff]

Thanks for the comment Illi Jo, I'm glad to hear it!

[@MarcoBuxCoach]

Shadow is also ineptness, pettiness, incompetence, looking like a fool, cowardice, shyness and many other things that we all have but that we don't want to show others.

[@JoshRueff]

or ourselves for that matter. And very true, well said.

[@zion367]

@@JoshRueff please make another video about shadowwork in your own words for us. We (I) need it!❤ Would be awesome if it would have real live examples.

[@ahtauwylye1340]

Thats a v important point. God where does it end. Am i just a shadow? Lol

[@JoshRueff]

​@@zion367 You got it! And real life examples - this is such a good point, thank you - great feedback. I've been creating the last few videos with this specifically in mind. (btw, I lost this comment somehow, was planning on coming back and responding to this much earlier)

[@zion367]

@@JoshRueff No worries dude, its all in divine timing. Real life relatable examples are so important. They make it much easier to understand then all this psychological official terms of anima and animus. We need some raw material to relate to so that it clicks easier. Great to hear you are working on it! Thank you for your reply and be blessed!

[@tiffanymartelli]

Going into the dark night of the soul is easy. Coming out is not as easy. Integrating it is even more of a challenge. I finally get it🙏

[@carolinemorrissey4602]

Living nightmare😩was in mine for a year, but to conquer yourself is to know the way

[@AdamsVisualDiary]

I really relate to this comment. I find throughout my shadow integration process, there's times where I get so consumed and forget that I'm just leaning in to integrate, and I begin to lose sight of my light aspects. Any tips?

[@SoultoSoul777]

My eyes were just opened to this concept yesterday, and I'm so excited to explore this more. I finally saw that my whole life I have been scared of my dark side. I have completely ignored it and pretended it didn't exist. My mind is blown right now. I can only imagine all the doors that will open within and help my personal evolution as I explore this. Thank you so much for this video. It is everything I need to hear right now as I begin my exploration, acceptance, and integration of my shadow side.

[@SoultoSoul777]

@@calayugankings thanks, but my mind was blown. You cannot know nor correct my experience. 🙏

[@onlypearls4651]

@@SoultoSoul777 Excellent integration of your shadow in responding to that other person.

[@ahmed.ea.abdalla]

In 13:57 "we must journey into the Abyss of our unconscious, face the monster in the shadow, and integrate it. There's gold in the shadow, because a lot of that aggression, boldness, anger and hate that we repress, can be used in a healthy way.” This reminded my of a show I use to watch in my Childhood, Naruto Shippuden where Naruto had to face a demon in him that was imprisoned or sealed and once he beat the demon within him he gained *a portion* of it’s power. But a prerequisite to defeating that demon he had to confront the hate and resentment that was within him first and let go of it- after that he was ready to fight that demon. After fighting and defeating that demon and gaining a *portion* of its power, it was still within him but its full power wasn’t given to Naruto. Only after the demon himself acknowledged that Naruto was worthy in character, did the demon willingly accept friendship and partnership with Naruto and that’s when the tremendous power of the two were integrated and it was even more tremendous than before and that’s when Naruto became a sage (Kurama Sage Mode it was called, Kurama was the demon’s name)

[@faboolean7039]

I think there is a misconception around the “darkness” associated with the shadow which is understandable seeing as a physical shadow is physically dark. The way I see it, the shadow is the gold ideals that lie in whatever the complete opposite of your conscious perceived values are. An aggressive violent acting person will have the shadow of an agreeable well tempered personality. And the agreeable pushover will have the shadow of a vengeful aggressive person. I guess the shadow is much like yin and Yang in regards to the conscious and unconscious side of one’s personality.

[@JoshRueff]

Hi Faboolean, thanks for the comment! So the gold in the shadow for the violent, aggressive, disagreeable person would be agreeability, peacemaking kindness, patience etc, and the gold for the agreeable pushover is reasonable aggression, assertiveness, etc - that makes good sense. Not 100% sure what the misconception you mentioned is though - the shadow is dark in many ways, don't you think? Or are you saying the common misconception is that the shadow is all dark/bad/evil?

[@please.665]

Nigredo. It's called the Nigredo. I don't know how much you've studied Jung. But, there's an excellent book out there called "The Modern Alchemist: A guide to personal transformation" by Richard and Iona Miller.

[@MikeysteelUk]

Exactly at the end of Aion … “We have to acknowledge that the self is a complexio oppositorum precisely because there can be no reality without polarity” “That is to say a hypostasis of good and evil as metaphysical entities is inadmissible because it would deprive these terms of meaning. If we call everything that god does or allows “good” then evil is good to and “good” becomes meaningless.”

[@kyledevane8782]

I think Jung was describing that once you see yourself as the perpetrator in moral conflicts, social delimias and identity within yourself how you should resolve, you also solve the moral conflicts and social delimias.

[@buddhalovechild]

This guy is so wise. The fact that he angers some is just proof that the truth always hurts. Know thyself- niether easy nor pleasant bur in the end liberating.

[@RicardoMartinez-oh9sq]

The things that Jung wrote as humorous comments, and Kant did before him, would get a college professor fired these days. For instance, that a homosexual man is 60% female: even as a college student you could be dismissed just for saying it.

[@buddhalovechild]

@@RicardoMartinez-oh9sq all ethics and morals are those standards of behavior that seemingly maximize the survival of those defining the ethics and morals.

[@Clevelandsteamer324]

You only catch FLAK when you’re over the target

[@Danny-ux1il]

Right on Dr. Peterson. I wish I had got this straight long ago. A lifetime of resentment and now I learn that it is up to me to stand up and not be a punching bag for mean people. Not hurting people is not virtue. That makes so much sense now. The mind-warping they put on me in Catholic school in my youth I have to get over now .

[@Svenshine]

“To speak softly and carry a big stick” **IS PRAUS**

[@JoshRueff]

👆 Nailed it.

[@davidlinaker-thecelebrant9523]

Thank you for this compilation. I’m struck that there was no mention of another key effect of the integrated shadow, namely a deeper capacity for compassion. When we are aware of and connected to our own ‘monster’, we can have compassion towards and make good discernment about the monsters of others.

[@JoshRueff]

Great point, thanks for adding that David!

[@uanditopia2239]

Stunningly brilliant insight, David. A handy tool to possess during quarrels. Bet it's fun to fight with you. Haha.

[@uanditopia2239]

additionally, I said this because your wise words reminded me of my favorite I have ever heard. Till you, I had forgotten to remember to think about this perfect aphorism, so verbatim-wise? Hmmm..."Let my opponent be of equal valor, so that neither he, nor I, be the victor, but Truth." additionally, I said this because your wise words reminded me of my favorite I have ever heard. Till you, I had forgotten to remember to think about this perfect aphorism, let alone how it verbatim-wise goes so if you or someone knows feel free to correct me and please reveal who said it. Thanx.

[@TomBrinkkemper]

This is exactly what I'm experiencing now. Getting to know my shadow makes me so much more forgiving towards my wife and kids. It's liberating.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

This is the BEST of Jordan's Best discussions.

[@karensilver8853]

This is awesome. This really presents issues clearly and in a way that can be understood Jung is,very difficult for most people: Peterson doesn't make him simple-- for which I am grateful.

[@JoshRueff]

Hi Karen, thank you for the comment! I'm glad you liked it (: And I agree, Jung can be a lot to wade through sometimes. I'm still slogging through The Red Book and Aion at a snails pace, stopping every paragraph or two to digest (and often re-read). Well worth it, but very difficult sometimes.

[@karensilver8853]

@@JoshRueff I'm reading The Psychology of the Unconscious along with Erich Neumann's Origins and History of Consciousness and I'm playing catch up. My job as a research assistant was in a strongly Freudian setting and I was the only non-analyst in a .New York Psychoanalytic Institute seminar. Putting the icing on the cake, my own analyst was trained by Anna Freud herself. Jung was not front and center. As a theologian, Jung became more relevant but Jordan Peterson was the first person to say "get with it, Karen."

[@JoshRueff]

@@karensilver8853 Wow, Anna Freud, no kidding. Haha, I'm not surprised Jung was put on the backburner in that case. I'm sad he doesn't get more recognition for his clearly brilliant work, but glad Jordan Peterson is pulling him back into the limelight, at least to some degree. And glad you're digging into to Jung - so worth it.

[@SvintMvrcus]

35:19 It’s the peace of armed opponents that respect one another. Reminds me of the Melian dialogue: “Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power..”

[@MikkoMurmeli]

My first reaction to Jordan Peterson when I watched a random clip of him, is that he does not have a good relationship with his own emotions, and that might still be true. But, he is very smart I think. He's pretty smart when it comes to Shadow Work. I want to learn more! And my addition to this "you need courage", is, that courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to live with the fear you do have. The better you can function while under more and more intense fear, the more courage you have.

[@JoshRueff]

Love that, well said

[@life_lab_chronicles]

Nice compilation of information and commentary. Thanks for sharing.

[@kellyrobbins8449]

My favorite saying Humility is power under control Pride is fear acted out

[@wendydaniel1110]

Excellent point 👌

[@arokiingaming8847]

This was excellent- thank you very much. At this point after seeing countless psychological professionals to almost no avail, JP seems like the only person who could help me he’s helped me more through videos than most of the people I’ve spoken to put together.

[@JoshRueff]

Thanks for the comment Arokiin, much appreciated. And I believe it - he has an insane depth of knowledge, but more importantly, that experiential sort of wisdom only a tiny fraction of people have, especially at that level. He's helped me a ton through his videos as well, both interviews and lectures, and reading his recommended books is another layer that seemed to kick things into another gear for me. I can't wait to see what a difference getting through all of them will make, assuming I get that far.

[@SummumBonum.]

How so?

[@redgey5163]

My New Year's resolution this year is to "be authentic". And so here I am.

[@dawnfreshour8425]

Very interesting video. I don't have a problem with expressing my anger, anymore. But, at the same time, I also don't think some people's subjects are worth my time and energy. Therefore, I choose my battles wisely. Wish I'd have known that it was normal to express anger, as a kid. Thanks for the much needed reminder.

[@CollinKell33]

This video was really well done. I appreciate the work!

[@JoshRueff]

Thank you Collin, I appreciate it - I'm glad you liked it! If you ever have any video topics you'd like to see, just let me know - I'm putting together a list of new topics right now for this month and May.

[@damonbailey5220]

Twelve Step Programs don’t call it shadow work but taking a moral inventory beginning with resentments and fears, then examining the selfishness involved (i.e. being a pushover to remain nice when I’m actually trying to avoid confrontation and manage other people’s emotions.) and finally discussing these things with another person. Has anybody else found the similarities here? I mean Jung was very influential in the creation of Twelve Step programs but not specifically here. These particular practices came from The Oxford Groups which were an offshoot of the Episcopalian Church.

[@bekkaadair854]

thank you for this compilation and commentary. i feel like i found a gift on my phone this morning. most enjoyably informative and provocative.

[@JoshRueff]

You're welcome Bekka, I'm glad you enjoyed it. And thank you for the comment, I appreciate it (:

[@forrest5549]

Great presentation including Peterson's knowledge of Jung and the shadow. In many parts of the world comfort is such a problem because it offers us so many distractions that allow us to avoid dealing with the shadow and it's such a major problem. Supplementing Jung's and Peterson's work and videos like yours with Michale Easter's The Comfort Crisis. Takes courage to get out there and face the dragons. Well done!

[@RicardoMartinez-oh9sq]

10:13: Dr. Peterson speaks about the Nazis, this is absolute evil and how ordinary people like many of us could have become guards at Auschwitz.

[@MichaelWestgate]

I’ve been watching a lot of videos about shadow integration and this is the best I’ve come across so far. Very clear, very reliable. Keep up the good work!

[@JoshRueff]

Thank you!!

[@lucasmarra5951]

Thank you for this video! It was exactly what I was looking for, it felt like I had ordered it specifically. Your explanation was clear and concise!

[@amerdahman]

Brilliant video, thank you for putting it together.

[@JoshRueff]

Thanks Amer, glad you enjoyed it!

[@azrakhan558]

Excellent lecture!

[@oneeyedjack-g8p]

76 years so far ... all the many many attempts to explain this SPLIT in the Human endeavor boil down to determining where 'intentions' derive. Good or Bad, they have a experiential source. One must unmask the facade to manage the superficial causes to introduce your SHADOW to your own LIGHT !!! NOT EASY nor QUICK ???

[@C2Sweet]

I can’t imagine listening to JP in a one classroom setting how lucky.

[@claudiamanta1943]

0:22 For decades I made the appropriate efforts to be polite and nice, like any normal human being. It never paid off- I was taken for an idiot, used, manipulated, bullied, disliked. So, now I do not give a shit anymore and I just tell them to fuck off, as required. It’s liberating. Do I miss being part of a group? Yes. But I never had that.

[@randallcrumrine6131]

Thank you sir This helped me so much It was as if it was specifically for me

[@JoshRueff]

I think it was. Very glad to hear it.

[@greyfoxninja1239]

Excellent video, well organized, great pacing.

[@JoshRueff]

Thanks Grey, much appreciated!

[@adamsantiago4834]

Well done. Really appreciate the effort put it in. I found this very helpful.

[@JinQuiroz]

Ou shit!!!! this conversation is amazing!!! for things like this video, i feel happy of internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jakubhladil5340]

I like how many examples you used. Much clearer to understand the matter….

[@JoshRueff]

Glad to hear it, thank you for the feedback! That's helpful to me - I'll keep that in mind for my future videos.

[@LalaLuna712]

The shadow has been just as much as a friend as my light

[@donaldyanson8144]

The art and philosophy of Bushido courage is doing what you're afraid to do there can be no courage without fear -Eddie Rickenbacker like Patrick swayze said in the movie roadhouse I want you to be nice untill it is time to not be nice the warrior ethos

[@JoshRueff]

There can be no courage without fear - that's so true. I love that. Welcome Donald, thanks for the quotes!

[@donaldyanson8144]

@@JoshRueff yeah Eddie Rickenbacker quite a character

[@JoshRueff]

@@donaldyanson8144 ​ You're not kidding - apex of a man that guy

[@davidhill5897]

You only bring real peace with strength in confronting evil in your self. An seemingly endless battle that continually brings real fruit. Many search, but few find. The road less traveled.

[@fullmetta2764]

Good video, love this project. Going to linger on the questions and help myself with it, thanks.

[@JoshRueff]

Thanks Thomas, I appreciate that - I hope they help!

[@gregorykulinski2186]

I love this man because despite his life obstacles he's developed and still enthusiastic human as he was, because he still believes.

[@ElliMauve]

Forgive me for having to point that out, or if someone already has but, πραός (as is the modern greek word) has only ever had one meaning: “calm, mild”. According to the ancient greek dictionary, it has been used to describe animals (like horses) that are tame. It has a go-with-the-flow softness attached to it, and whether you take it as having the strength to resist anger (remain calm despite the circumstances) or a lack of will to resist subjugation, that’s up to interpretation.

[@JoshRueff]

Right - it really is, and I think the full meaning typically depends a lot on the context it's used in -- here's the research I did on the word up to this point, in case it helps (from one of my earlier comments here, defending it from people claiming the word and/or Christ's teaching here was to be meek/weak/timid or something along those lines): Recently, it's been brought to my attention that the Koine Greek word "praus" may actually mean something different from the definition Jordan Peterson gives (at least slightly). I don't think Peterson is wrong, but of course it's possible, and I'm digging into all of the sources I have on the subject. If you have any sources to back up either argument, please feel free to post them below - the truth is what we're trying to get at here. And with that in mind, here's my attempt to give you a clearer picture of what I believe the word means - not to prove to you that I'm right btw - I'm actually not claiming that. Just trying to get to the truth, and I think the following sources help. (This should at least give a clearer understanding of the word, which clearly means "gentle" at least, and is often used when speaking of the gentleness of a person or animal with either power, authority, or some form of admirable strength). Within the context of the following for example, praus seems to mean something like "gentleness" to a subordinate or lower creature - in the scriptures, it's often used in the context of a more powerful person or person of authority correcting someone "lower" in a sense, or disciplining them, and in ancient Greece it was clearly often used to express gentleness with a "lower" creature, or to describe a powerful animal's gentle or mild nature; self control or gentleness despite great power implied. The "gentle" creature spoken of often has great strength, power and/or nobility, like a warhorse, or a god (see below): Above all, this word does NOT mean weak. Or timid. "Gentle, despite having strength or power" - something like that is closer to correct if not completely correct. I believe this is oftentimes and perhaps always a perfectly reasonable translation. Xenophon, for example, uses the word this way, in numerous formats: he talks about "gentle" animals, "gently" training horses, "gently taming" an aggressive dog, and the "gentleness" of soldiers toward their warhorses - in no way does Christ's use of the word or other Greek uses of the word imply "weak" or "timid": “Had you a sheep dog that was friendly to the shepherds, but growled when you [the master/ owner] came near him, it would never occur to you to get angry, but you would try ‘to tame’ (πραΰνειν/ praunein) him by kindness.” Anabasis “After this Cyrus marched four stages, twenty parasangs, to the Chalus river, which is a plethrum in width and full of large, tame (πραέων/ praeōn) fish; these fish the Syrians regarded as gods, and they would not allow anyone to harm them, or the doves, either.” On Horsemanship “If you want to correct a spirited horse when he is going too fast, do not pull him suddenly, but quietly check him with the bit, ‘soothing’ (πραΰνοντα/ praunonta) him, not forcing him, to a quiet pace.” “Accordingly, at the moment of mounting, the rider should take care to worry [the horse] as little as possible; and when he is mounted, he should let him stand still longer than is otherwise usual, and then direct him to go by the ‘most gentle’ (πρᾳοτάτοις/ praotatois) aids. Then let him begin at a very slow pace and increase the speed with the same gentle help, so that the horse will not be aware of the transition to a quicker motion.” “It should also be known that a horse can be taught ‘to be calm’ (πραΰνεσθαι/ praunesthai) by a chirp with the lips and to be roused by a cluck with the tongue. And if from the first you use with the cluck aids to calm him (τὰ πραέα), and with the chirp aids to rouse him, the horse will learn to rouse himself at the chirp and ‘to calm down’ (πραΰνεσθαι/ praunesthai) at the cluck.” Economics “As you know, we call those creatures noble that are beautiful, great, and helpful, and yet gentle (πραέα/ praea) towards men.” Cyropaedia “Cyrus also took care that [soldiers] should never come to luncheon or to dinner unless they had had a sweat. For he would get them into a sweat by taking them out hunting; or he would contrive such sports as would make them sweat; or again, if he happened to have some business or other to attend to, he so conducted it that they should not come back without having had a sweat. For this he considered conducive to their enjoying their meals, to their health, and to their being able to endure hardships, and he thought that hardships conduced to their being ‘more reasonable’ (πρᾳοτέρους/ praoterous) toward one another, for even horses that work together stand ‘more quietly’ (πρᾳοτέρους/ praoterous) together. At any rate, those who are conscious that they have been well drilled are certainly more courageous in the face of the enemy.” www.preceptaustin.org/matthew_1129_commentary - "As noted above the Greeks characterized meekness as power under control and in the case of the Spirit filled believer this means that he or she is under the control of God's Spirit. From a practical standpoint, the individual who is "praus" exhibits a freedom from malice, bitterness, or any desire for revenge. The only way to truly define meekness is in the context of relationships because it refers to how we treat others. A gentle spirit should characterize our relationship with both man and God." "Prautes was used in secular Greek writings to describe a soothing wind, a healing medicine, and a colt that had been broken. In each instance, there is power for a wind can become a storm, too much medicine can kill and a horse can break loose. Thus prautes describes power under control." Note that this word was not used by the Greeks to describe "broken, that is, tamed" humans, only animals - that is clearly stated in multiple non-religious definitions. "Prautes is an interesting word. Aristotle defined it as the correct mean between being too angry and being never angry at all. It is the quality of the man whose anger is so controlled that he is always angry at the right time and never at the wrong time. It describes the man who is never angry at any personal wrong he may receive, but who is capable of righteous anger when he sees others wronged." The meek person does not have to fly off the handle because he has everything under control. "Barclay comments on James 1:21 writing that this man will receive the word with gentleness. (humility = prautes). Gentleness is an attempt to translate the untranslatable word prautes. This is a great Greek word which has no precise English equivalent. Aristotle defined it as the mean between excessive anger and excessive angerlessness; it is the quality of the man whose feelings and emotions are under perfect control." Andronicus Rhodius, commenting on Aristotle, writes, “Prautes is moderation in regard to anger … You might define prautes as serenity and the power, not to be lead away by emotion, but to control emotion as right reason dictates.” "The Platonic definitions say that prautes is the regulation of the movement of the soul caused by anger. It is the temperament (krasis) of a soul in which everything is mixed in the right proportions." Barclay adds that prautes: "describes the man whose temper is always under complete control. He knows when to be angry and when not to be angry. He patiently bears wrongs done to himself but is ever chivalrously ready to spring to the help of others who are wronged." biblehub.com/greek/4239.htm www.preceptaustin.org/titus_32#gentleness%20prautes www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:abo:tlg,0032,006:1:5:14&lang=original www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:abo:tlg,0032,013:9:3&lang=original www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DHorse.%3Achapter%3D9%3Asection%3D5 www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0210%3Atext%3DHorse.%3Achapter%3D9%3Asection%3D10 www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0212%3Atext%3DEc.%3Achapter%3D15%3Asection%3D4 www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0208%3Abook%3D2%3Achapter%3D3%3Asection%3D9 www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0202%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D4%3Asection%3D9&fbclid=IwAR0C61X23MW1FV8N0p3tOa5n4oK4V2CMMxVWvg9iwZpXP8u_YrrmGcLVPuc www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0204%3Abook%3D2%3Achapter%3D1%3Asection%3D29

[@yolodolo9143]

Great Idea combining Jung and modern day peterson and greene to help put into broader context Jung work.

[@JoshRueff]

Thank you!

[@FractalCodex7]

I always took the Shadow to be any aspect of the psyche that split off due to trauma.

[@mikelopez9071]

This is where Peterson shines, in Jungian analysis. He needs to return to this and ignore the celebrity of being a self help guru for his own sake

[@bellakrinkle9381]

Many THANKS.

[@hareholly7490]

Great video! Learnt a lot. Thanks

[@jkasiron2275]

This is really fascinating. This philosophy rings very true. Do you need to know what events pushed parts of you into the Shadow in order to integrate it?

[@Thilosophocl3s]

How much trauma/abuse/indoctrination would you need to endure before you snapped and committed unimaginable atrocities? That’s exactly how much, or possibly more that so many “bad people” experienced before they became bad. The amount of mistreatment I would accept for a loved one is just about zero, and I have no issue taking a stand to make a point.

[@coolslimm5105]

Dope vid bruh and thanks. This painted a clear picture for me

[@JoshRueff]

No problem at all, and thanks for the comment Slimm, I appreciate it. I just published a new video on integrating the shadow that's just as good but different (the second to last one), it helped me a lot anyway, researching it and putting it together.

[@coolslimm5105]

@@JoshRueff it was well worth it 💯

[@JoshRueff]

@@coolslimm5105 Good, I'm glad!

[@maryannmallard5965]

May I add that you do need to choose your battles wisely. For example telling off the officer that just gave you a ticket will probably not be productive save that battle for the courtroom in my humble opinion.

[@JoshRueff]

Hi Maryann, thanksfor the comment! Good point, couldn't agree more.

[@biniyam9979]

wow what i exactly needed

[@JoshRueff]

Glad to hear it, thanks for the comment!

[@biniyam9979]

@@JoshRueff good job

[@1111sm..]

Great video 👏..thanks💫

[@JoshRueff]

You're welcome, and thank you for the comment!

[@KD-bo6mo]

So true!!!! Thank you for share so much wisdom!

[@JoshRueff]

No problem at all, my pleasure! And thanks for the comment KD (:

[@Shobz-e8s]

Omg I need to remember that force to try and get me to focus

[@brandonfrawley]

Good video man

[@JoshRueff]

Thanks Brandon, glad you liked it.

[@Maria-jp6eo]

Excellent video, thank you.

[@wanderingIvy67]

Thars gold in them thar shadows!!

[@JoshRueff]

😂aye!! the kraken of the briny deep guards me sweet booty..

[@caseyoutside]

So good

[@JoshRueff]

Thank you Casey, I appreciate it

[@J-C-K.]

Western civilization is experiencing a Dark Night of the Soul due to our self-asserting will to control, epitomized by the technology that we expect to provide us with a secure, happy and comfortable life. ~ Linda Schierse Leonard

[@JoshRueff]

That is a great point, that more people need to hear and understand. Thanks for the comment Linda (:

[@nensi1972]

...i really do not understand how we people Can live any more , like that in this society, what we Are doing to ourselves, and to others...is sad, and tragic...nothing Has changed through history of mankind, people , tribes, even in neandertal time allways where in clash,against and afraid of each other...fear Is horrible, destructive emotion, ...oposite of fear Is love....i only have found great wisdom of life in teaching of Buddha, Jesus ,pastor Derek Prince, healer Sergei N. Lazarev, and the teachings of orthodox Christians elders... ❤️🙏🌹...this life Is amazing, and tough, horrifying , at the same time ...God bless you all...

[@PurpleGurlJ]

It is more of a dance. One step terrifying and brutal, the next step blissful exuberance. I feel the same sadness at the current state of mankind. Our best weapon against the darkness is to shine our own light. Integration of the shadow self makes space for acceptance of the world's shadow. You may find the talks of Alan Watts of interest regarding the state of the world and finding peace within. Blessed be us all.

[@SD-rm5ty]

I don't know why I kept spinning in circles about this topic integrating your shadow, I've already done this in my life I know the capacity of my shadow but what I believe really prevents people and makes someone "moral" is the possibility of getting caught and going to prison, no need for further explanation lol.

[@Pixie962]

Your definitely Right about the Shadow and about male/female side of the personality the kinder actions you do the the deeper the shadow is the ying/Yang theory is very true ive battle this for a while but I know that if you speak the Truth its very difficult but I know know its the right path now that Real Evil has presented its self I feel that both sides are Growing but I'm in control and im awake and aware thanks for all your help Jordan

[@k4rdinal]

Great vid

[@JoshRueff]

Thanks ClipZ, I appreciate it. Practical Shadow Work Part 2 is dropping tomorrow btw - if you liked this one, you'll prob like that series just as much or more

[@bspi624]

Very good video... thank you

[@JoshRueff]

Thank you for the comment Brian, very much appreciated.

[@RicardoMartinez-oh9sq]

7:50: But Jung also wrote that withrawing all projections is beyond human and probably not a desirable place to be.

[@jakeshockley2735]

I agree, but gow do you integrate your inner monster without indulging it and going to prison?

[@JoshRueff]

I'd say only let the beast/shadow out in the right way, at the right time; in a healthy way. I may want to kill someone I'm so angry, but unleashing that agression in a healthier way is your best bet. Take it out on the heavy bag, lift some weights - if confrontation is necessary, wield words as your weapons over, you know, actual weapons - etc

[@Khepramancer]

I feel like one of my biggest problems is knowing when it's appropriate or justified to bring forth my aggression or anger against people/situations.

[@anthonymorales842]

Perhaps that's why during war heinous acts takes place. That unexpressed evel side is let out with little chance of consequence

[@levisweet979]

I'm trying to gat my shadows to repent so they don't go to hell and burn, even when they are in the act of persecuting me in some annoying way, I'm learning to Love them and pray for them, and to truly want their good from my heart, as Jesus teaches us. The more I do this, the more powerful the Holy Spirit makes His home with me. I'm here to tell you, you want this.

[@pushpaparker1412]

I ❤😊You👏 Dear✨💕 God. Thank🙏🌹 You Divine God.

[@michellemostert1123]

Does anyone know where I can find the last interview in full?

[@RIPxBlackHawk]

Jordan Peterson mostly refers to Aggression in these lectures. Seldomly refers to sexuality which is another big subject

[@thewhitene9746]

What to do when you can't feel anger?? I have a lot of pride but I can feel hatred or anger towards anything.

[@JoshRueff]

Hey WhiteOne, thanks for the comment! Wow, that's interesting, hard for me to imagine tbh. So if someone's attacking and hurting the person you love the most (or the most defensless person you love the most), right in front of you let's say - no anger? Is it just fear in that case, or no fear either?

[@jaguillermol]

Another thing then: If you are agreeable and the crowd makes you do murderous things, that it calls out from your shadow, (and the same with everyone else in that crowd, they are all agreeable and captured by the egregore that is the being of the crowd itself) does that not mean that the unconscious mind which the shadow is part of, is actually outside of ourselves, in the world, acting on it and in it? Isn't that very very obvious? And if the egregore is a "spirit being" as some call it, or a "hyperagent", that means that the "spirit world" IS our unconscious mind.

[@justinmendes9]

Where can one access ALL his lectures?

[@JoshRueff]

Hi Justin, I'm pretty sure he has most of them on his channel still. Also, I think they're organized pretty well on the Daily Wire, but it costs a little. Good luck!

[@denisblack9897]

people with no self-made boundaries will crouch on you if you don't make boundaries... wow that's my latest relationship... i never ever made any boundaries with others i just leave if i don't like something, i'm all about myself and my self control and my girl has no self control, no self boundaries... she just kept poking at me more and more until i explode screaming, she kinda begged me to put boundaries and control her we are both fucked up in an opposite direction and are making each other very miserable you could laugh, but i killed a mouse today, i swear i didn't mean to, but i did little dude made my evenings not so lonely these last two weeks and i scared him to death accidentally =( im a terrible person here i am coping like i'm integrating some shadow stuff after killing an innocent life

[@JoshRueff]

I hear you Denis. Thank you for the comment, but - are you being serious? Did you really scare a mouse to death lol Sorry I shouldn't laugh, you may not be messing with me. If you're being serious, I'm very sorry to hear that, pets are the best - maybe get a puppy? I wouldn't mind a dog, miss mine

[@oc7414]

I've come to believe that in my particular case the persona is the monster and the shadow is in fact light.

[@alastairfraser8177]

Interesting view's on the shadow

[@JoshRueff]

Thanks for the comment Alastair, glad you liked it

[@kurtadams9740]

Just subscribed

[@JoshRueff]

Thanks Kurt, welcome!

[@raedfaarri2980]

Is the shadow are the memories of the past

[@almaguapa-sailboatliveaboa440]

The fall of dodgeball in schools repressed anger management skills and capabilities in many children. We now have 2 extremes: too soft (anxiety, depression, woke, gender identity issues, etc) and too aggressive (delinquency, violence, anti-socials, etc). 😢

[@intp9944]

my force was always that i am afraid what will happen if i don’t do something is it wrong?

[@JoshRueff]

Thanks for the comment intp! And that's a great point - fear can be a huge motivator and a very beneficial tool, used correctly. I'm the same - a lot of times it devolves into unhealthy fear, but when I'm smart about it, I'm able to use it to my benefit.

[@intp9944]

@@JoshRueff right exactly i mean i always got everything by that and i think it’s okay i mean i came to realisation that u should be okay with everything u fear don’t ever suppress it bcs u feel it bcs you should so yeah u would like stupid if u didn’t bcs yeah u get what i’m saying just like being okay while being in fear is something to be achieved like yeah being okay with everything u feel and see what is it for

[@JoshRueff]

@@intp9944 Exactly - couldn't agree more.

[@susanbartlett3421]

I don't remember where I heard it, so I can't give proper credit, but I read or heard somewhere that fear is our mind's way of letting us know that we need more information. It causes us to pause so that we can actually make a decision rather than blindly jumping into something that could cause us harm. If used properly, fear can keep us safe, help us be better prepared, decrease the risk of or reduce the amount of negative consequences, or give us the opportunity to choose differently. If used improperly, it can be absolutely crippling.

[@noanoa5542]

Jp es el único psicologo que conozco que habla de los más importante en la vida de una persona en una sociedad: de la malevolencia de ella a la par que se pide que seamos más buenos y correctos. O eres cordero para lobos o eres un cordero con un interior de lobo.

[@stellaneyramusica]

Excellent!!!!

[@JoshRueff]

Thanks Stella!

[@TamakiCherry]

14:15

[@ryanjones7681]

1:56 Bullshit. LOTS of people want to attack and belittle the one who stands "agressive"

[@rockymorals4294]

I’m having a hard time understanding what the shadow is and how to recognize it. Is there any recommendations to other videos or literature with more information?

[@JoshRueff]

Man And His Symbols is a great start, by Carl Jung, Marie-Louise von Franz etc - I think the audiobook is here on youtube, or at least it was. I preferred reading it though, have a hard time with audio sometimes, for the parts I want to reread, end up rewinding too much. And it's been a while since I watched this one, but I think it's good, and I like Eternalised's videos a lot in general - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oounc6Gbfbxlf9k Uberboyo's channel has been transitioning into something different recently, but at very least, most of his stuff (old and new) is still fantastic - long form for the most part but great if you don't mind that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i17OkHxmpsehpLc kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKizk3iKn8qqfJY And I only just started this one but heard it's great (anything by this guy is great though) - "Owning Your Own Shadow: Understanding the Dark Side of the Psyche" by Robert A. Johnson. And if you have any specific questions, feel free to shoot them over and I'll take a stab at them (defining the shadow better is probably a good start? I'm out of juice for this comment though, let me know if you want a good definition and I'll give you my definition from an upcoming video on the shadow). Good luck to you whatever you do! I'm sure it'll all come together for you if you keep searching.

[@donaldmccarthy1681]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4XQho13bZWXf7M

[@thomasjefferson1010]

The only reason I bother listening to Jordan is because he really is a sweet person. I personally think he's nuts but the love in his heart cancels all that out. I'm for him all the way because love is enough.

[@JoshRueff]

Yeah, I can see that. Thank you for the feedback Galib, I appreciate it - helps me fine tune and make these videos better

[@scottward6974]

If someone controls you into anger and you respond in kind everyone loses. In the story with the shitty neighbours he's damn lucky they didn't rise to his challenge! Much better in that circumstance to forcefully confront them with a criticism of their actions than threaten them with the same. Pull the fucking rug out from under them man and make them the bad guys.

[@cindymichellegarzaallman9272]

I at one time was very put together and had a life of high expectations and manners because i was forced to but also because i was good at being impressive. However at some point once i realized most people will only love you are want to be apart of your impressive life when your being perfect...but this for sure has pushed me into becoming someone who for sure looks ridiculous and shitty most the time but for once it feels nice. Sadly getting out the anger of not being loved during my worst moments makes me enjoy acting out in some kinda way...i mean i hate that I'm like this however, fuck any loved ones who wouldn't love me if i wasnt perfect lmao - so now, well i likely embarrass us all and don't give a fuck lmao- its freeing-My shadow self is acting a battle with being kind... the regular me is acting not OK to be turning moments such as now.

[@lorrainemccallum6330]

"You need to hurt like hell before you can write." Unknown

[@Artfulscience1]

I miss this version of JP. He has ire in his soul when he speaks now.

[@zeekhan6211]

Could you share the link of the Jordan Peterson's Last interview in this video, please?

[@JoshRueff]

Thank you Zee Khan, definitely - I always forget to and hate forgetting to add that (along with other links and chapters) - will look for it to add today.

[@zeekhan6211]

@@JoshRueff Thank you, appreciate the content you have put in here. Not only it is relevant to the subject, but you have brought the reference of the professional's at work. Please accept my gratitude for structuring it in this way.

[@JoshRueff]

@@zeekhan6211 Thank you Zee Khan, I really appreciate that. It's always good to hear that these videos help in some way - makes it worth the effort! Here's the interview btw, easily one of my favorites: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2fUc6uklM15erM

[@zeekhan6211]

@@JoshRueff Thank you very much. Please continue to share, I sincerely want to learn about "Shadow Works" how could I reach you if I were to have a discussion or something I may need your help with.

[@JoshRueff]

​@@zeekhan6211 Np! And you got it, definitely will do. Currently, I don't have a great option for that, but I'm working on setting it up, should have something good figured out within a month or so I hope.

[@Menzielife]

I know people like this who wouldnt even give any of this a second thought. Just naturally embodied their monster 👌👌

[@vishumalyhan9610]

He always talks about "be dangerous". But how a man can become dangerous ? Do anybody knows the proper answer to this or any source where Jordan talks about the "how" of becoming dangerous ?

[@JoshRueff]

Hi Vishu, when he talks about becoming dangerous, he usually talks about being articulate, being able to think, write and communicate well, although he says being physically formidable is no small thing, to add that to the list. Here's a clip where he talks about that with Chris Williamson: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGG8dKyQbdFgnbM&ab_channel=ChrisWilliamson

[@vishumalyhan9610]

@@JoshRueff thankyou for your effort, really appreciate it. But can you tell me 'how can i become more articulate ? Think, write and communicate well.' Can you tell me the way, and practices i can apply in my day to day life to do just that ?

[@davidharrison2099]

Reading helps in all of those areas. Specifically, books on communication and negotiation skills. Reading grows your vocabulary and sharpens your critical thinking skills.

[@dddutuber1]

Frederich Nietzsche: "Be careful in casting out your own demon that you don't cast out the best part of yourself". While I'm not sure that it's BEST part, it certainly seems a VITAL part.

[@aznstride4325]

Why not just release the shadow? Why is it important to keep it sheath

[@JoshRueff]

The idea is to keep it sheathed until it's necessary to use it - releasing your aggression and attacking whenever you feel like it is a recipe for disaster, because often, it's unnecessary and your emotions can lead you down the wrong path. But there are times when it absolutely is necessary to be aggressive - that's when you "unsheathe" so to speak.