Gun Gripes Episode 57: Gun Supply and Demand

[@michaelhedgpeth5173]

Almost 5 years later and still watching this in 2017. Y’all guys know your stuff! Miss the heck outta of ya Barry

[@sbrazenor2]

The issues are the same and some of the criminals in Congress are still causing the same BS.

[@sbrazenor2]

@@hazardousmatter2 indeed, it is.

[@timmyburch9126]

Watching 10 years later

[@afridgetoofar1818]

It’s now 2024

[@playstation3demon13]

watching gun gripes today....Barry you ARE missed

[@mikeyyg2000]

2 of my favorite people in the world!! I've learned so much from you and Barry collectively. More than half of what I know about guns has came from this Channel. Thank you guys so much for everything you do. The information I've learned is worth the world to me.

[@jamjedi1972]

They say you die twice, first physically then when your name stops being said. Your still missed Barry and your name is definitely still being said. You will definitely out live me. RIP Barry.

[@TheLouisianan]

And .22 ammo just started coming back onto the shelves again without disappearing after 20 minutes again for the first time in years.

[@jakayawilson2833]

Eric looks like he wants to shoot the phone in the beginning. Lol

[@Wetlax11]

Barry's expressions when he hears about the ak mags priceless!!

[@YTDace]

Damn it i miss Professor Barry.

[@dondecaire6534]

Watched about 6 STRAIGHT hours of your videos last night after stumbling on them on the Net. REALLY appreciate what you guys are doing and how you just say it straight with no sugar coated PC BS, that is what's needed right now, truth to power! Just wanted to let you know it's appreciated!

[@MrShawnlloyd]

I am in total agreement with you. One thing that these small shops fail to recognize also is that their patrons usually go out of their way to go to small shops and often have to pay more than we would at the big box places...but we do it to help them out. Or rather we "did" that to help them, as I will no longer feel the need to help a small business that decided to screw us over.

[@JCogs94]

Hillary ad before this video. Bahahaha. NOPE!

[@c.pulcher6383]

"Supply and demand!" - yelled every price gouger, ever. Hopefully gun buyers will remember who stood where when the dust settles.

[@JC132dontaddme]

This is the guy who waits until the bans come to buy all his stuff

[@blazinautospa4899]

Rip berry

[@paulthorla9569]

So if every one slows down buying firearms, the prices WILL go down.

[@Legacybychoices]

Eric and Barry- Thank you for the research and explanation of the supply and demand issues.

[@spencerwaters6481]

What in the world happened to that poor green Mosin Nagant in the background. Just awful...

[@GrumpyGenXGramps]

That’s why it’s called the “Fugly Morin”.

[@highlandrab19]

if they banned 30 round mags wouldn't they just make 29 round ones?

[@tjlovesrachel]

Make bigger ones

[@LoginErrorAgain]

Remember that if we ever meet in the desert my friend, The sip of water I would have offered you is now worth $1200. Calling it business don't make it right.

[@chazhector274]

We need a Barry playlist.

[@rhettswhips]

Great reply genius! As I've already stated: Nobody is forcing anyone to buy guns. Dealers can't count on moving a certain # of guns per week at a smaller profit margin. Once they sell what they have, they may not get any more.This means no more income on the product after it's all gone. Selling higher to customers willingly paying more because of scarcity only makes sense in the uncertain market they're we're with right now.

[@oldfool01]

Barry, Eric: I have watched most of your YT videos and so has my son. We have agreed in principle to most of what you have had to say. But, I stand with outlawcajin on this one. I have lost a lot of respect with this 1 vid. Selling inventory you acquired @ pre-hysteria prices for post profit margin IS gouging. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining!

[@travissnyder8277]

Lol..., ever heard of supply and demand...? Idiot.

[@arkansaswoodsman1582]

If people get bothered by the phone ringing they need to go somewhere else

[@justinv3080]

Arkansaswoodsman it's more about bringing annoyed it'd justify about being distracted easily lol

[@mattzurzola4664]

I really hope they don't think Kennedy was killed by Oswald

[@Fan4ManUnited]

matthew zurzola shut up

[@beachbum4fun2]

Some of us have been out of work for a long time. Luckily I found a great local dealer and got what was available... without being gouged.

[@sbc388550]

You know even though you described this in the very simplest of terms, some of these guys STILL don't understand. Well I listened and I do understand. I also sympathize with the situation we find ourselves in. It's an unstable time for gun buyers and sellers, and the law of supply and demand will make all of us choose one way or the other. But in time things will settle back to normal and we can hope and pray it's sooner than later. Keep up the great service you provide us. T.Y.

[@Mike242]

i miss barrys hop, like if u know what im talking about

[@bmark7951]

Mike 242 you’re the only one freak

[@lpso708]

I posted this on my Facebook this how I feel:My grandfathers,Dad uncles and my mom taught me about gun safety as I have with my children. In my youth I learn at the YMCA camp also the Boy Scouts. If you take time to teach you will show what they can do. People need to spend time to teach you child.

[@zombielandstudios]

I am so sick of going into stores that sell ammunition and not being able to even buy one box of 22 LR's. It's ridiculous. Keep up the awesome videos guys.

[@PrairiePatriot]

Great Gun Gripe. Support your local gun shops folks. This isn't easy on them either. Everyone wants the prices to come down and the supply to be back up in order to satisfy everyone. More guns in the hands of people is something we can all agree is good.

[@solesearched]

I picked up a S&W M&P15 for $699 a couple days before the madness began, its selling right now for $1400+. I couldn't believe my eyes! lol

[@tiotyme5532]

Barry is a no nonsense straight-talking guy! Thanks for the video guys.

[@coyotesniper72]

I love it the guys selling the guns are assuring us they're not "price gouging"!

[@LandRoverDefender2005]

This program is the best!! Keep up the good work guys!!!

[@kenny474]

You're not seeing the whole picture. My local shop is a large volume dealer. I spoke with the manager and a S&W sales rep last week there, and I will tell you flat out, the shops simply do not receive the inventory they did even 6 months ago. On average, my shop received 30-50 S&W AR-15's per month. They just received their first shipment in over 3 months, and it was only for 28 rifles. They went over 2 months without a single AR in stock from an maker, essentially losing 2 months sales.

[@CarbonGlassMan]

You're right that things like the aluminum doesn't cost more but the materials cost going up or down is not the only driver of the price. Right now the supply is the same but the demand is higher. The same price adjustment would be seen if the demand is what stayed the same but if the supply was decreased. It's like when orange trees dont' produce because of drought. Demand is the same but supply is diminished so the price of a bag of oranges goes way up. We're faced with possible gun bans.

[@boogitybear2283]

Best bet is to buy used firearms. Anything is better than nothing.

[@aciecarpenter8811]

Missing Barry

[@martyngmeyers]

Thanks for that one, it brought a smile to my face and a small chuckle to the back of my teeth. Good luck with your next business venture, I'm sure you will be swimming is riches in no time at all.

[@ChristopherRhudy]

Few days ago, I was in a gun store here in TX... idea was all ammo purchases of non-available calibers ( 223/556, 7.69x39...308, etc) you had to buy a gun to buy the ammo, and for the more available calibers (.40, 30-06, etc) it's one box per customer (3 per family)

[@tulrob]

These guys have some great wisdom... I am catching up on all their videos... Fantastic stuff... I have learned a ton of stuff already from Eric and Barry...thanks guys

[@nakternal]

You guys are awesome. I watch your videos because they are well thought out, not over the top, and you do it with humility. I'm a democrat and I want to join the NRA after watching this video.

[@ZombieTex1]

(...continued) the high prices make it hard on an individual basis, but over all allows a more even distribution of necessary goods to all needy parties while creating a powerful incentive for suppliers to deliver relief sooner than they might otherwise be motivated to do so. In the end, more people are helped sooner and with more goods by the high prices than are harmed by them. This is the power of the free market. (sorry for dragging this across 3 posts, I hate the reply character limit.)

[@ronn773]

Your information on suppliers doing what they can is very helpful. Also, you are correct in selling nonessential items for the price to maintain your business. On the other hand, scapegoating teachers & parents isn’t going to solve anything but lead us further away from a solution. We are living in a dysfunctional society, some bad teachers, parents & gun dealers. For solutions, how about we look at the millions of tons of mind altering substances pumped into our county?

[@larrye]

This is why I shop at larger stores like Adventure Outdoors. They aren't cheap but comparing them to small dealers, they are much better.

[@thecupcakeman69]

I remember when I use to sell guns we would get a shipment of .223 in and I would not bother putting it on the shelf. I would open the package it came in off the truck and set it on the counter. No exaggeration every morning there was a line of 30 people who would clear it all in 5 minutes and there were some fights... it was pretty messed up. Eventually the store put a 3 box limit and even then they were cleaning house and people were trying to buy it go outside and come back in.

[@jordanaug81]

The biggest problem with the supply and demand phenomena right now is that when the supply & demand finally balances back out the prices will only go down marginally. The days of the $500 glock and $1,500 AR are over, just like gas prices the price goes sky high and then when it comes down people think theyre getting a deal even if it means a 10-20% spike from the original price.

[@gloryglorytoga9965]

Fully understand the concepts of supply and demand on markets. I am aware of the prices of most guns on my list and I have found that Moss has been 10-12% higher than other stores in this state.

[@slowride55]

You guys are raising prices because you have to, not because you want to. Great video yet again guys!

[@smikee]

Just keep doing what you do chaps, your on the right track. UK is watching and fingers crossed for you all.

[@gimpsunlimited]

Very articulate and supported with facts. Love it.

[@kenny474]

What you need to understand is Moss Pawn's main sellers in the firearms department are things affected by a possible ban (as they have stated in other videos). Now, when you are limited in supply to 1/10th of your normal monthly sales volume, you must raise prices to cover costs and retain normal cash flow volume. This is simple economics.

[@spingra1]

Keep up the good work. Your series is very informative.

[@221smay]

thanks for the vids guys - America needs you

[@davidcole5773]

amen, thanks for being honest and really keeping the bus rolling on the 2nd amend.

[@corintohonduras]

Just a quick story I went to the store one day and had a great experience talked to Barry, he was great. When I was leaving I took the ammo to the register and Mr Moss rang me out. I had two boxes of CCI Stingers and a Box of Hornady 308 Self Defense ammo. He said that will be 13.98 and I was like "hey sir are you sure you got it right" after that he rang up the 308 ammo. I am not looking to screw anyone over so stop screwing your customers!

[@Wawalsh1234]

Hey guys, I enjoy your videos. We must stand firm not letting them get any ban of any kind or they will continue to nibble away until all guns are banned.

[@haloshammerofdawn]

Thanks for reminding me about the basics and being great-full for what I do have left.

[@TheWrighteous1]

Finally someone to speak the truth about why things are so crazy in the world today and why we have a gun ban in the first place.

[@vegasfordguy]

Hey guys, Are you ever going to do a review on the Beretta PX4 Storm? Have you shot one and if so what are your thoughts on it?

[@erutherford]

Note: The above was just an example. It wasn't really intended as much of a flame as it was to point out that you could have laid out the supply and demand arguement much better and have gotten your point across without causing a ton of uproar. Example: You may sell a Ruger 10/22 for 300$ and make just 30$ off of that. Normally you may sell 10 a month. Now if you only get 1 per month you have to make 300$ on the one gun and sell it for about 600$.

[@kenny474]

I was told by the manager himself that their stocking rates are roughly 1/5 of normal, and worse for some makers and models. There is a supply issue, it's not something someone made up. Not to mention if you were to sell at normal price, some guy with a boat load of cash will simply buy up a huge quantity of it to resell at a huge profit. Increasing prices helps to spread available supply too, rather than it all end up in the hands of a hoarder.

[@5jjt]

If the store's resupply isn't effected, then raising prices should be avoided, but if the resupply is effected, then the store needs to raise its prices.

[@royalwins2030]

I disagree about the price gouging on essential items. Raising prices insures people do not hoard and buy up all of the supplies. If the items are expensive people will buy only what they need. Just like Eric buying the magazines. If they were $50 a piece he would have left some for others. It also encourages sellers to go to great lengths to increase supply for the reward of the higher prices they charge.Those who argue against price gouging let emotion cloud their better judgement and don't think logically about the benefits of market forces.

[@GlacialAvantGarde]

double eagle Exactly, prices are valuable signals and they are important to allow allocation of resources. Price floors and ceilings only lead to shortages and surpluses.

[@bunkernate]

Just because there is a disaster involved doesn’t change the way the market works. There’s a reason that there are more shortages of critical supplies when price controls are put in place.

[@wiryone1]

A lot of ppl here are struggling with basic economics. A business is about making a profit and in reality maximizing profit. It is the profit motive that keeps a business going. A sale is nothing but a deal between buyer/seller. If you are frustrated that some guns are now going for 2-3x more now you need to understand that it is the ppl PAYING 2-3x more for those products! Don't complain about a dealer when someone else has the money and is willing to PAY, they are the ones driving the market!

[@bldeagle10]

Eric, Barry, you guys are true patriots, I am glad we have people like you fighting the good fight. keep up the good work, keep informing people about what they need to know. one gun gripe I feel you could do, or think about, is actually listing out the statistical facts, from the FBI website. show people that among the national murders only 3.5% are with rifles, I have heard that only 0.6% are with "Assault Weapons" you could do a true comparison with other countries. get the truth out there.

[@anger_resolution]

There are plenty of local and online retailers that have NOT chosen to gouge their customers. Selling a LPK for 200$ is gouging. Selling P-Mags for 50$ each is gouging. Selling a forged lower for 300$ when you can billet for 275$ all day is gouging. There is nothing illegal about gouging...but we the customer will take notice, and choose to not frequent establishments that chose to gouge.

[@bassmangotdbluz3547]

Watching this 5 years later, this is an interesting look back at the politics of the day and how all those issues went.

[@kenny474]

Selling the last bit of inventory you have for "normal price", especially when there isn't even a definite date when you will be restocked, is a sure-shot way to end up as a former business owner.

[@doluseb]

Some shops are getting screwed, 'cause suppliers are more likely to ship to "bigger" customers, or those that have been with them longer. I'm not saying they need to sell at normal prices (Walmart does that and they run out of stock in 5 minutes). But there is an equilibrium price, and it's not the prices that gunbroker is selling for. The guys that are selling $600 M&P 15s for 1800-2000 are the guys i'm talking about. (some people are so desperate they will buy though, which wrecks the system)

[@maclectic]

There's no injustice in making a limited item available to anyone that'll pay the most for it, rather than raffling it off at a lower set price to the few lucky enough to be the purchaser.

[@MrHuskerOne]

There are 2 local gun stores in my town of 3500 people. Neither one of them have raised prices on their semi auto rifle more than $100 a rifle. The only reason they raised their prices that much is because, and I am quoting both the owners, "there is a small increase in price from the factories." You dont need to jack prices up, people remember when you do.

[@Tisrok]

Just got two bx-25s in the mail from ruger. Ordered about 40 days ago for 30 a pop, I honestly didn't expect to get them that soon considering everything going on

[@Kparris7]

The "price gouging" is GOOD for all of us. Because gun manufactures know that their products will sell for much more right now, they're willing to expand production, invest in capital, and give overtime to workers. If the prices were the same then there would be no incentive to make more product than normal and potentially lose profit. In the end the higher prices lead to a higher supply, so more product is put into the market overall which is good for all of us.

[@68knights]

Great comment. I am glad to see there are people who still think like economists.You cant sell at the old price because you cant replace it at the price you once gave for it. I believe that you should still keep your margins the same though.

[@jumboMIDGET]

hey, look. a slidefire stock. Won't be seeing those on shelves. Like a time machine

[@QuicoReed]

Start simple. Pick either long or short gun. Then study that. I found a picture book on the history of firearms and it made good "toilet reading". The nice thing is that this kind of book shows the evolution of guns, which helped.There are beautiful hardbound books on pistols, or rifles. Once you understand the actions, note the calibers. You can google the caliber + "ballistics" to study the difference. Hint: bigger ain't always better.

[@anigiainvhi1799]

It's easy to see who is gouging, when you see it just walk on bye. Keep it in mind for future reference. Always buy at your price or keep looking.

[@larkeyyammer]

People need to realize that most manufacturers, like Barry said, are working at capacity and not reaching the DEMAND, which limits the SUPPLY, which causes an increase in prices.

[@s2mikey]

Great point about the difference between gouging and market pricing. I feel the gun prices are crazy right now but I can avoid it by simply NOT buying them. Same for ammo. I buy what I can when the deals are reasonable.

[@mattorama]

Some people need to go read an economics textbook. A store charges what something is worth. Just because it's more than you're willing to pay that much does NOT mean it's "price gouging."

[@WiTuLoooo]

this video is classic with regards to Barry's mannerisms...hilarious

[@jaxsonsoldman]

The problem is that businesses are worried about making as much as they can off of customers right now. Instead, wouldn't it be better for a business to treat the customer more fairly and make me come back in a year for my next gun when the supply is there. I would go back to a gun shop willing to sell me a gun for what the manufacturer tells me that gun is worth. If a business takes advantage of me during a time of great demand, I'll find somewhere else to take my money when the supply is there

[@martyngmeyers]

Price Gouging and Profiteering are the terms used to describe the current temporary blip in retail pricing that we are seeing. The smart businessman understands the need his business has for customer loyalty which is undermined by PG and P. A wise businessman once said: "We have a right to make a profit NOT A KILLING." Reducing your customer base, by short term profit taking is PG and P, and stupid it terms of long term profitability.

[@mdlanoll]

"Pricing Gouging" is good! It keeps people from panic hoarding and instead buying only what they truly need. Local gun shop here in central TX has all the ammo and guns you want. But bullets like 9mm FMJ's are $1.25 each and AR's are $4K. No one buys these at this price to resell, unlike you Barry with your AK mags. So instead of leaving a few mags for everyone else you engaged in panic hoarding adding to the problem. Had the price been $50 each, there would be more left for everyone else.

[@TheTMFC67]

Price gouging is a pejorative term referring to a situation in which a seller prices goods or commodities much higher than is considered reasonable or fair. "Like M.S.R.P.?" Alternatively, it may refer to suppliers' benefiting to excess from a short-term change in the demand curve. Call it what you like, I'm sure people will remember later.

[@ceschmid]

I like you guys..., good experience, good knowledge, great common sense.

[@KyCuJe]

And I consider it far more ethical to make things a bit more expensive to acquire in the short term, to sustain and increase the supply of that good to ensure the needs of the people are met, than to try and "play nice" and run out of those supplies, leaving the people high and dry instead of getting priority. I understand your argument completely, and I understand that reputation is an immense factor in the free market. There is a limit to price increase that I'd personally let slide as well.

[@srobart]

A business should NEVER apologize for the phone ringing. ;)

[@devldogs55]

I agree with what you are saying and don't think you are "gouging". My hope is that consumers will start to refuse to pay such a high premium for these items and the prices go back to normal. I don't think they're going to get their ban - and once everyone realizes that they won't pay these inflated prices.

[@LoginErrorAgain]

The reason to support Mom & Pop shops is relationships. I bought for years from a small shop. During that time A BassPro and Cabelas opened near me. I could have abandoned Mom & Pop to save a little money. I paid a bit more because I could ask Mom to find me certain rifle and she would. I could bring an emergency repair in 2 day before a bing hunt and pop would get it fixed. They treated people right because it's the right thing to do. There's more to life than saving 20%.

[@MrOrpflog99]

My ex worked at a big department store chain. She accidentally got a look at a spreadsheet containing the store's actual cost of some clothing items. She was shocked by the fact that a $250 retail dress actually wholesaled for $23. Should it really matter what the retailer pays for an item? The consumer or end user will dictate what the market will bear. Dictating a limit on how much profit can be made doesn't sound much like FREE enterprise in a FREE society to me. Closer to communism.

[@duz2600channel]

ALL of the orders by DHS, 1.6 billion rounds, is one day of production. The "shortage" is due to factory closings for three weeks EVERY DECEMBER! Caught up with low stock, as some chains were waiting for "Shot Show" to place their orders, caught them short in their supply chain... All will be normal in about 6 months, but, ammo will be slightly more expensive...

[@Alaninbroomfield]

I will not join or support the NRA after they refused to endorse Ron Paul for the republican nomination and instead endorsed John-Insane-McCaine.

[@WildCowboyman]

I thought you guys took care of that phone... I love the videos keep them coming!

[@CarbonGlassMan]

If you have access to guns that are still on the shelves for those low prices, then don't worry about the places charging more. Just don't buy from them. If your local stores have those guns for those prices though, I very seriously doubt that they are available for any more than a few hours before they're all sold out and won't be restocked for at least a month down the road.

[@Thaumatolgist]

Sometimes though even when things go back to normal, the prices don't go back down.

[@Thaumatolgist]

Best definition of price gouging I have seen.

[@nathan00campbell]

Price gouging is a pejorative term referring to a situation in which a seller prices goods or commodities much higher than is considered reasonable or fair. This rapid increase in prices occurs after a demand or supply shock: examples include price increases after hurricanes or other natural disasters. In less precise usage, it can refer either to prices obtained by practices inconsistent with a competitive free market, or to windfall profits. Looks like gouging is exactly what you are doing.

[@CrialCrial]

Markets are self-regulating; once the hype dies down, demand will decrease significantly and the shops that raised their prices will be forced to lower them.

[@jeffyjames2k11]

In fact , im only 32 years old... been shooting guns since i was 6-7 years old... i have never in my lifetime seen or ever heard of .22LR ammo being completely sold out at every store in a 50-100 mile radius where i live. Thats not even touching 9mm , 40 cal, 45 etc etc. One store by me had 3 skids full of .22LR 500 round boxes... within 4 hours they were picked dry. They told me that this has never happened and the business has been open since the 60's.