H.I. #12: Hamburgers in the Pipes

[@TVFILMBUFF]

The irony that the Mark Twain quote regarding misinformation may or may not actually be a Mark Twain quote makes me happy.

[@loke5052]

omg i didnt of that but thats hilarious xD

[@thestral57]

Published on Dec 6, 2014 "It was recently May the 4th" - CGP Grey Looks like they held out on us for a while

[@NocnikBezTajemnic]

the youtube versions of the podcast were originally put later than the typical audio in podcast apps.

[@TANKbeast13]

Hey just saying I know you guys don't read the KZbin comments but I never watched videos from your channels and found out about this podcast just by searching on youtube "podcasts". I only post this because you asked if there was anyone out there who watched this podcast without hearing about your channels.

[@VampireSquirrel]

10:23 : Grey's Grinds new segment or bust

[@Y00p]

I'm catching back up with this series after forgetting about it for almost a year… Listened to this one while building an IKEA-bed. You guys made it a fun experience. I love you guys.

[@cubeologist42]

Am I hearing this wrong or is Brady's audio clipped and low quality in this episode?

[@cubeologist42]

Cubeologist And then I hear the end of the podcast. It was just a bad mic.

[@tangyspy]

Cubeologist funny I didn't even notice until Brady mentioned. I was just too busy in their arguments xD

[@aurelia8028]

i hear that too

[@Sound_Tech]

Yeah, I picked that up immediately but restrained from making a comment because I figured they're bound to mention it

[@Iyansocolove]

Am I the only one who enjoys having Brady's paper cuts?

[@whig3982]

Probably not

[@twi1875]

No

[@bobpaul2593]

I do

[@Iyansocolove]

​@@bobpaul2593 I haven't tuned in in YEARS! You're in for an amazing time bud, these guys got me through highschool

[@josephforjoseph]

Im sure it can be attributed to his newpaper background but Brady's adjective descriptors and summeries are absolutely legendary!! My personal favorite is "paperless" but "tween" comes in a close second.

[@TRHoldorable]

@51:14. My name is Thomas. And you just freaked me out...

[@javierbenez7438]

Pretty sure you're name's Tim

[@Albatrosssd]

I listen to the podcast regularly when it's released on iTunes, but I opened this anyway to see how many episodes behind KZbin was. It wasn't until I mindlessly got 10 minutes in while studying that I realized that I was just listening to this episode over again. It would appear that I like the show. Thumbs up.

[@carolinevenus7901]

A vast majority of Americans have 2 or less Internet Service Providers to choose from. For the 18 years I've lived here, just outside a major city in Kansas, we didn't get a third option until just last month.

[@washinours]

"Computers are pretty amazing" "GOOD." ahahahahah that reaction

[@junoify13]

Coming back to these so many years later, I realized how far the audio quality has come on these hello internet episodes. Content is as charming as ever though!

[@academicned6236]

Brady is a great devil advocate

[@ProfessorSyndicateFranklai]

He should become a lawyer.

[@suburiboy]

I'm just gonna put this out there, in response to the "meeting a girl because you are not on your phone" thing, part of that happened to me fairly recently. I was playing yoyo on the train, then a young woman noticed, then I managed to start a conversation with her, then we traded phone numbers, then I invited her out to lunch, then she said yes and we got lunch (a week later), Then she went back to her home in Utah, and I'll never see her again. If i was playing candy crush, instead of yoyo, then I would have never met her, and I'm really super awkward, so meeting anyone is a pretty big adventure for me.

[@bigtargyle]

***** I live in Utah. # please|? J.k. actually i'm not, i'm lonely.

[@creshiell]

My mom loved avatar and thought it was a super unique movie and wanted me to watch it and I told her I'd watch it if she could tell me that it wasn't just space pocahantas and she told me I ruin everything for her

[@dumboy886]

It's incredible how Net Neutrality is still topical 5 years later. Yay Lockdown

[@river_brook]

This podcast introduced me to redlettermedia and for that I will be eternally grateful

[@rebeccajean9634]

On the Aluminum/Aluminium issue, I'm American and how I say it depends who I'm talking to. I do watch Grey's channel but not Brady's (sorry Brady) this podcast is a wonderful thing and I would rally like to see it more often! You two are great together!

[@MegaMosh101]

As to the ending of Avatar, I think Grey is conflating the antagonists with an actual 'advanced nation', as he says. The antagonists aren't an advanced nation, they're a mining company. They arrived on planet with a private military company, some heavy equipment, and enough money to build a base. But they don't have unlimited resources, and presumably what resources they had were spent on the Pandora expedition. It's essentially equivalent to the Hudson Bay Company getting its ass kicked by natives from the Canadian Plains without support from the British government. The only real option is to end the expedition. As to whether the 'unobtanium' was vital or saved lives, I don't recall the movie stating that, I'm pretty sure the mining was all just for profit.

[@mattdombrowski8435]

2 problems with you're analysis 1) there are plenty of historical examples of companies acting with as much or more power as actual nation states (such as the british east india company) and 2) there is no such thing as an unarmed spaceship. Any craft with enough energy to travel between stars has more than enough energy to completely destroy a planetary ecosystem. I doubt the space rocks would be destroyed in that process either.

[@Myndrios]

The one thing listening to these podcasts several years after they first came has done to me is make me miss ViHart 😟

[@deetvleet]

she still makes videos

[@Myndrios]

@@deetvleet yes, but only 1-2 videos a year

[@deetvleet]

@@Myndrios don't be greedy

[@ArcticTemper]

ALOOOMINUM. Yes it's a funny American way of pronouncing it. Aluminium for the Civilised chaps!

[@willferrous8677]

good show!

[@Pat121V]

MmmmyYesss...Quite. *fixes monocle*

[@retromagic5323]

As an american I realize it should be aluminium but if I say that in public its distracting much like Grey said

[@krim7]

Alooomineeeum can. /sigh it may be right but... It sounds horrid. Aloominum sounds better.

[@willferrous8677]

***** think sodium, now make the sod sod off and replace it with an lumin as in luminate now add an A and you are done (the u is short, long U is the american version)

[@Alle1770]

I know this isn't Reddit and I know it's an older video, but just wanted to say that I'm one of those people that happened to come across this podcast without any previous contact with any of the other channels! We were assigned to watch "Humans Need Not Apply" for a course at uni, and I really liked it so I went onto the channel and found the podcast that way - been listening to it ever since :)

[@jonathanmarhold7968]

I was wondering about the mic quality for the past 1.5 hours... Brady used the laptop mic instead of his real mic cause accidents.

[@user-ii8dz4vu7n]

We need more Grey!!!

[@ypso21]

I have in fact found HI through an animated video of you discussing Flags - I am unsure if it was a video about the Liberia County Flags or about some other Flags, and later on I realized that one of the two people in those flag videos was someone whos videos had started popping up in my recommended (CGP Grey) and thus i started watching Ironically, it was only later that i realized Brady was the person behind Numberphile - another channel that had been gotten recommended to me lately

[@Lamawalrus]

I think Grey's argument about incentive to "build more pipes" is quite good, in addition to the fairness and "don't control the content, just give me the data" arguments.

[@CatholicBibleNuggets1943]

Hi, this is Thomas from Missouri. I knew about CGP grey before watching this and actually learned about Brady through the previous KZbin releases of these podcasts. Sorry Brady, you seem really cool.

[@joy_gantic]

So THIS is where the character models from the Animateds came from.

[@Chevcx]

and to counteract the common carrier argument, assume for example that a specific company booked entire planes, would you be angry at the company booking entire flights suddenly, or be angry at the airlines for not having enough space in the planes, and force them to suddenly get new planes and make regulation to make more planes, and make more runways, and more gates. while i understand the fear, the end result of net neutrality as it currently stands isn't going to cause anything besides more money for specific people for a short while

[@michelegreenup9991]

As someone watching from 2018, I find their comments about net neutrality very interesting.

[@TheLeft0gamers]

i found you from this series and im really glad i did :)

[@fohkens]

near perfect timing to watch this on may the third, two years later

[@operative1258]

I came upon this podcast through a youtuber named Digibro whom I'm a fan of. He'd made a video talking about a bunch of talking-about-life/media channels that he quite liked, and he mentioned this podcast. I'd never heard of either of you before, and decided I may as well check this out. Anyway, here I am and I just want to say that I really like listening to your "two guys discussing stuff" and I always find your topics and your viewpoints very interesting and I hope that you continue to make these podcasts.

[@woon1957]

That's awesome! I watch him as well, though not recently. Which video did he mention this?

[@Sinnohfreak387]

Earlier this year, some organization was sending me messages that I should contribute to their campaign on defending net neutrality, and one of the big things they cited as a cost was the creation of a video. And I told them "There's already a video for that. It's by CGP Grey and it's great."

[@bloempie123]

Wait a second... they're not in the same room while recording the podcast?!

[@FraserSouris]

Many podcasts are recorded while separate. It surprised me as well

[@ALiJ4LIFE]

15:00 great idea on news stories

[@rgreen93021]

Grey ... you asked .... I currently do not (actually never heard of) your other channels but will definitely check them out now. Destin @SmarterEveryDay turned me on to your guys. Love the conversations!

[@OVBLANA]

Man i hope they will pump these out faster so we get them like in the present, not from may

[@ThomasNing]

Holy crap, at this point in time, I have not watched either of your channels for a year now. And my name is Thomas...

[@KemaTheAtheist]

Was I the only one at the end to think, "And you need checklist. And you need checklist. Everyone needs a checklist!"

[@RobRoss]

I have never understood how the world has misunderstood this "unobtainium" joke. It's like the misunderstanding in the first Superman movie regarding the relationship between Superman flying around the planet and time going backwards. Most people thought he was making the earth rotate in reverse, causing time to go backwards, which is not correct. Similarly, in this movie, Paul Reiser's character used the term as a joke, referring to how difficult it was to obtain this element. Not that it was actually the element's name.

[@a.h.s.3006]

18:30 Thank you Mark Twain, I sound more intellectual as I explain why I think reading newspaper is a waste of time

[@eddotron1224]

My favourite quote is: "the problem with the internet is that you can never be sure of your sources" Abraham Lincoln

[@hannesboehme]

Quick thought: So for market areas that do not guarantee proper market abilities like competition, and therefore require regulations to avoid unruly monopoly, should they not then be state/government controlled anyways (non-profit)?

[@CODtriggerhippy]

I'm from Belgium and when I have to say Al in English, I pick the one that best fits my sentence.

[@360godscope8]

I haven't heard of any of Brady's channels prior to Hello Internet

[@IrateUngulate]

This is so strange to hear now...

[@TheGreatSteve]

I'd love to see these two on Pointless. I've never seen Avatar but I've always hated the little bits I've seen.

[@rhemorigher]

Avatar is a fine movie so long as you go in thinking it is a kids movie. It's not great but it isn't exactly terrible.

[@cleodello]

Ahhhh. I love this video choice.

[@Berelore]

The Irony of your argument about net neutrality encouraging infrastructure investment by making the internet a common carrier when common carrier status is exactly why our electrical infrastructure is so out of date and falling apart.

[@Disthron]

I wonder, can Internet users start a class action against ISPs?

[@MineKynoMine]

Perfect podcast to listen to while playing Minecraft

[@wolfundersurface]

I hope that I find in a later podcast that he watches Chappie.

[@lukerees01]

What's with the 8 month delay in getting the video out?

[@nickweems24]

#26 on the way?

[@blainetoups5888]

The youtube upload of an old episode usually predated a new episode by a few hours, plus Grey did say on Twitter that they were recording.

[@General12th]

No, it's not. Grey and Brady stopped doing the show after this one. :(

[@aubreyladan8563]

I am watching this discussion well after net neutrality was a big thing. And I know Greys prediction of net neutrality being compromised never comes to pass.

[@jordannewbold8769]

when you talk about Comcast not wanting net neutrality I laugh because Comcast actually invented Net Neutrality.

[@gyrtaz]

the stuff you was talking about internet neutrality... Some years ago in Lithuania government use to give tax return ability for families who buy a computer first time under this law so these years was a real computerization blast. At the same time people started to demand more and more internet. This strategy influenced things in such a way that this demand paid for development and these days in Lithuania we have have one of fastest if not the fastest average speeds in the world :) now when the prices of the internet are so low that almost homeless can afford it still makes demands to grow at the same time development does not stop and even villages start getting cheap fiber optics :)... i can only imagine that absence of neutrality would ruin all this so bad... so sorry for USA :(

[@happyflea]

The biggest problem with grey's electrical analogy is that IS what is happening with the UK's power grid, Our lights have been dimmed (240v to 230V) because companies don't want to build more power stations. They're playing a very expensive and dangerous game of chicken with the government about whos going to pay for more power stations with the companies knowing that if they wait for blackouts to start the government will pay.

[@giga-chicken]

I would have gone with "Gold" "Au" from the latin "Aurum"

[@qoaa]

What's crazy is James Cameron has announced 4 sequels to Avatar. Beginning in 2016 each year will have a new sequel. He's turning Avatar into his star wars

[@General12th]

No he isn't.

[@General12th]

No, seriously, he isn't.

[@talmonclear7502]

Here in 2021 having forgotten how things went

[@garetr]

Well, I have to say, you have shifted my opinion on net neutrality. Previously, I did not understand why it was such a big problem that it might go away in the U.S. (even though I had watched Hank Green's video on it). You have made the issue much clearer to me. I thought that it was just my poor Walmart headphones that were causing the poor audio. Good to know that that $7 wasn't wasted. XD

[@BiddaBiddaCherryPie]

You guys should get Hank and/or John Green in on your podcast at some point.

[@patrickbeglane2899]

Grey should make a video why Avatar is a stupid movie

[@whig3982]

no no no grey ranting is the whorst idea...

[@NinjaPirateJedi]

Serious question, is there a physical difference between aluminium and aluminum? The "Aluminum Association" spells it without the second "i", and aluminium doesn't seem to be a word according to my laptop. (it's red underlined) Does that mean the word "aluminium" simply doesn't exist in American English?

[@Spiderboydk]

+NinjaPirateJedi Physicist here. No, it's two words for exactly the same thing. Kind of like how Brits say "shop" and Americans say "store". "Aluminum" is definitely the most common word in American English. I don't know if "aluminium" is valid in American English.

[@titanotheres]

So you can send voice mail to /dev/null , interesting

[@TheDrWeirdo]

Haha, freaked out my partner Thomas :P. He's half-listening to it as I do.

[@abnorcscreenname8489]

I thought I noticed something about the audio.

[@brennanpike2951]

For the pointless question, I would say Ytterbium, Oganesson, and Astatine (which is wrong, but I thought it was right.)

[@Rekler02]

I am one of those people whom dont know either of the podcasters, or follow them anywhere else.. also slightly behind on their podcasts otherwise i heard from you guys just from a mate

[@RishabhsinghQuides]

When is #100 coming out?

[@theinterstellarzygarde1031]

its been out for 2 monthes

[@quecuentas3]

Information freedom That's the term

[@arvoredesofia3416]

Humnnn!! This title makes me remember the mcdonald burger!

[@RedFenceAnime]

View Jacking doesn't really work, since Copyright infringement goes for audio too. And Brady I'm on your team, Freebooting ftw (the term not the act.)

[@allanjohnson8951]

From how they were talking about it, that spoken word thing they referenced seemed like it would be written/spoken by some cute 12 year old, then I go to the video itself and it's some 30 year old guy and I'm left thinking, "Is this really what this guy considers to be 'well written'?"

[@Kokorisu]

I don't understand the problem with saying AluminiUM. I mean, I'm sure americans still call every other element ending in -ium in the same way as the rest of us. ... It's not like Wolverine's claws are made of Adamantum, right?

[@ltihaompson]

"America sometimes tries to make sure it does the worst of everything and then combine it together to make it even worse than anything could be in a kind of amazingly awesome badness synergy." -CGP Grey

[@christiandevey3898]

canada says aluminum

[@moonanddarkness]

I have to say that hello internet is my favorite series in youtube and because we seen positive reinforcement isn't as good as negative i will go ahead and be negative in the only possible way i can. "Make more podcasts!!! i need more and more!! i cannot stand the long waits for podcasts so upload them more often, you lazy (Insert youtuber insult here)"

[@rebeccajean9634]

I apologize for the spelling error in my first comment, it says "I would rally" it should say "I would really" thank you iPad mini for the guess as to what I was about to say, unfortunately you were wrong.

[@Saturn-uz6jc]

2 years later, Vox is, arguably, still credible. Somewhat left-leaning, but still credible for the most part. Their art style also makes their videos amazing to watch.

[@thesmxasmn5628]

In my language it is Aluminium so I dont understand why english speaking people call it Aluminum.......but then again we call Pb(lead) Plumb.

[@ItsMrGPN]

Lead was a later change, the original name for Pb was the latin word Plumbum.

[@Suma2101]

Its not all English speakers, its just Americans.

[@FroggerTheToad]

Lewis Pearson and Canadians apparently.

[@Suma2101]

FroggerTheToad ah, I didn't know that

[@falconJB]

Aluminum is the original spelling, North America just did not bother to change when the Brits decided they wanted to call it something different.

[@jml21000]

so true re macguffin

[@gametree1307]

The funny thing is that netflix is also paying for internet access.

[@pescecanella4742]

I didn't get it at first, because I have never seen Avatar.

[@AFSRodrigues]

I can't see how people can be confused about the nature of the term "net neutrality". Being neutral means you are not biased. How could that not be desirable in most situations?

[@JCisKing1337]

For the Brady vs Grey views thing... don't use average, use the median

[@FraserSouris]

Um Grey, James Cameron is now directing 3 more Avatar films with a collective budget of a billion dollars (yay). Secondly, You can watch a critique and still love the thing being critiqued, but you can also see a positive analysis. In this case, I recommend CinemaWins Videos on the Star Wars Prequels and how good they actually are. (He even mentions that RLM's videos were mostly for entertainment and some of their nitpicks were a little excessive) kzbin.info/aero/PLTMNDvYYBqygBaGRmDvZBx3dwwq_jKwsK

[@PTNLemay]

Praseodymium would be my bet. Pr. Really obscure. Also in regards to Avatar, hopefully they do come back on the points mentioned in the upcoming sequels. So... yeah, the humans will come back and try to carpet-bomb the foolish natives for ever daring to challenge them.

[@jaidenboucher0]

that was the first one i thought of too!

[@whig3982]

Oh gosh brady's voice

[@thelooneyking1137]

I thought that this was a very interesting video to listen to. At the end of the video you said that you disliked the term "net neutrality". I think a better name for the issue is net discrimination, because that is what they are doing. They are discriminating against sites that use more data then they deem appropriate.

[@MacroBurstable]

That is not Mark Twain from what I hear, it's from a unknown source

[@filkoutsodim]

I call Element 13 "Αργίλιο" aka Argilium 😂

[@captainban7137]

it aluminium american's , not aluminium.

[@saber1epee0]

So do "proper" researchers call the oxidized ore format "Aluminia?" No, the ore is alumina, and it is reduced to Alumin-um. Hashtag I really really don't care Hashtag Queue angry comment shitstorm.

[@patrickbourne3819]

Towmato, tomarto.

[@falconJB]

Aluminum is the original term.

[@reasonnottheneed]

Captain Ban I would use aluminium because it sounds cooler in most contexts, but aluminium foil just sounds silly, so I'm sticking to aluminum

[@godzilla12332]

Wait. Americans OWN not aluminum. Wowie

[@andyb2977]

I'm displeased to hear Grey's apparent definition of capitalism. It's indicative of someone who's not familiar with criticisms of capitalism. Capitalism is simply a system in which the means of production is privately owned. Capitalism can take place in either free markets, regulated markets, or monopolistic markets. Capitalism is not synonymous with free markets. It's the fact that terms like "capitalism" are so muddied with differing definitions that can make it difficult to have a broad discussion of economics as a society.

[@patrickbourne3819]

When was this made?

[@spacemanspiff2137]

Ah, the good old days when net neutrality was the biggest issue in American politics

[@frankdantuono2594]

Red Letter Media is great folks, subscribe to their channel. They have a great review of Avatar.