Halo Ruined First Person Shooters

I'm here to share my personal story about how the world changed around me after the release of Halo. This isn't a review of the game. It's not about whether Halo is a good or bad game. I think it's a good game. It's about what happened after it's success. The effects it had on the industry, and me personally. I know there are people who experienced the things I experienced, and this is for them mostly.
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[@underthemayo]

Check out part TWO of this topic!: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnS0kIFrbJaJd6M Here it is. As promised, my Halo video to celebrate 50,000 subs. I actually made this many months ago, and decided it would be fun to hold it for a 50k celebration. That's why the audio and production may feel a little different compared to my most recent material. Thank you to everyone who's been supporting me. All the new Doom people, back to the MK9 boys. This video isn't one of my normal analysis or opinion pieces. It's a collection of thoughts I've had for 20 years about how this game affected the world around me. I know it's not what was expected, but I hope you enjoy it anyway. (I can feel a bad like ratio coming just based on the title, but hey, that's okay. I'm having fun here.) *** side note, when I say Bioshock felt modernized (even though it had some classic shooter mechanics), I meant that it felt made for console playing speed. Not talking about regenerating health and weapon limits. I could have worded that better. If you like my content, consider supporting me on Patreon. patreon.com/underthemayo KZbin Memberships to my channel now available, click the "Join" button. Follow me on Twitch at twitch.tv/underthemayo Join the Discord: discord.gg/s4PEVcc

[@underthemayo]

@@HK-07 It was a good game that I played as a kid. Played a little of the second one. Didn't play the others.

[@mano7636]

Mayo you should check out RAGE 2, it's very aggressive combat with extremely satisfying gunplay and health dropped from killed enemies. But the story and open world is bad

[@bruse14]

Wow I thought I was the only one who felt this way about halo, I don’t hate the game it’s ok but it felt so slow, tedious & frustrating. Halo 2 is slightly better and halo 3 didn’t really improve the gameplay that much, I also agree with Under the Mayo about FEAR gameplay is much better than halo.

[@freemank8207]

@@mano7636 I'm quite sure he's already played it. (Edit: he hasn't yet)

[@jfelling5535]

Not the video I was expecting, but I liked it and made me look at my one favorite franchises from another set of eyes. I never thought of Halo as ruining something, but now I know it kinda did indirectly. It’s cool and weird to see how our scenarios were kinda similar yet completely different outcomes. I saw halo for the first time when I was very young like kindergarten or younger and immediately became fascinated by it because I loved sci-fi as well. I couldn’t get a hold of my own halo game until way later in life but I was so happy when I did. But now all that kids want to do is play fortnite, and when I mention they should try halo I get immediately turned down. Sorry for the rant thing I just did, I just think this video really opened my eyes to something I never thought of before

[@Gruntvc]

Halo didn't ruin FPS games, everyone else desperately trying to copy it overall ruined FPS games. Same with CoD. Honestly, extremely tired of giuant boring open world FPS games with RPG elements.

[@daniel-student4679]

That's literally what he is saying lol!

[@Grivian]

I would say COD ruined FPS games, but they took so much from Halo

[@BobsRevenge]

Halo actually did ruin FPS games by itself creating the demand for these mechanics and Halo itself being pretty much intolerable to play for gamers used to PC FPS games

[@yabo_san]

u preaching to the choir G

[@Rancherino]

Like the new Halo? Rip

[@Twisted_Tempest]

When I first played Halo, and used the Rocket Launcher for the first time, I attempted a rocket jump. It was a bad move.

[@carrotmaster8521]

technically you did jump tho

[@pradeepdungdung4379]

F

[@TheMetalIsNeon]

You'll love the Halo 3 Brute-Shot and Halo 2 Energy sword. Both can function as good movement utilities.

[@purpleemerald5299]

It’s not about if you _can_ rocket jump; it’s about if you can survive it.

[@ShadowRainX]

@@pradeepdungdung4379 My grenade button

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

The interesting thing about Halo is that I feel it kind of did coincide alongside PC shooters that existed in a different part of the market. While Halo certainly did affect console shooters, I saw a lot more Half-Life influence in PC releases. Games like F.E.A.R. and Doom 3 were definitely more Half-Life than Halo. Hell, I refer to that time as the Half-Life era.

[@snake41411]

pro jarek when billybob

[@devindalton4688]

You're definitely right about that. Not many games tried to replicate Halo's gameplay loop on PC, probably due in large part to the more free controls available, and the fact that Halo obviously had a very limited audience on PC. I think Call of Duty had a much more obviously negative impact on the style of games we got after it got big and popular.

[@UnchainedEruption]

Yeah I agree, it wasn't really until the late 2000s-early 2010s that PCs started getting games that were console-first and the markets merged. PC had Battlefield 1942/Battlefield 2, Half-Life 1/2, Doom 3, Far Cry 1, Crysis, to name a few. All huge PC shooters that were scaled back, if available at all, on console releases.

[@fuckso2342]

PC shooters were influenced by Half Life 1 focus on narrative, scripted set piece moments and world building but gameplay wise those games are not really similar. Doom 3 was a slow paced action horror game and FEAR was a intermediately paced tactical shooter. Half Life 1 plays and feels like Quake 2 but with reloading, more interesting levels and story. Its gameplay is still very fast paced with fast movement, b-hopping, aggressive enemy ai and no weapon limit. GoldSrc engine is also heavily modified Quake engine.

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

@@fuckso2342They play waaay more like Half-Life than they do Halo. Narrative focused linear fps where you can carry as many weapons as you want (aside from fear)

[@squid-boy4178]

"There's no bunny hopping" are we playing the same game.

[@underthemayo]

I'm talking about how the game to felt when it came out and I was sitting in rooms with my friends playing casually. Most of my feelings and evaluation of the game in this video are voiced in the past, reflecting how I felt 20 years ago.

[@squid-boy4178]

@@underthemayo o okay thanks for clarifying

[@ClassMRule]

@@underthemayo i too had some really dumb opinions when i was six years old, thankfully i grew out of them, and now i leave it buried in the past.

[@superior96]

Is there actual, momentum gaining, bunny hop in halo? I've never played it but I highly doubt it.

[@ceoofgex7552]

@@superior96 it’s not momentum based, but there are movement mechanics and skilled tricks you could use.

[@Jaden-Ring]

I garuntee you'll get less hate for dissing battle royale than halo

[@IAm.Messmer.Brother.Of.Malenia]

guarantee it

[@Jaden-Ring]

@@IAm.Messmer.Brother.Of.Malenia ah. A fellow james. Good day to you bro.

[@IAm.Messmer.Brother.Of.Malenia]

@@Jaden-Ring brot- brother?

[@Jaden-Ring]

@@IAm.Messmer.Brother.Of.Malenia yes brother. We must unite and pave the way for the James regime. Our army will conquer all. When the 2020 nightmare is over a new world will be born. Born of Jameses. Rise up great army of Jameses! Our time is nigh!

[@IAm.Messmer.Brother.Of.Malenia]

@@Jaden-Ring CHARGE

[@beetheimmortal]

Halo didn't ruin anything. The industry cluelessly trying to copy it, while not understanding its principles, is what ruined FPS.

[@aceskeletonne7446]

"capitalism breeds innovation" my ass

[@shadowcheto85]

Yeah, a more apropriate title may be "How the Success of Halo ruined First Person Shooters"

[@viperlife914]

so basically what he said in the video then nice

[@thepotatoof4219]

@@shadowcheto85 How the success of Halo ruined the state of the then-ongoing FPS game genres.

[@perrytran9504]

@@viperlife914 I swear most of the people defending Halo here didn't watch the video in full. I love classic Halo and yet I still agree 100% with Mayo's points.

[@jacemoran1190]

It was a good video, but if you were worried about this video getting people angry before they clicked, i would changed the title to something a little Less clickbaity.

[@FolstrimHori]

If it were less clickbaity, it would not have gotten as much attention. He knew what he was doing.

[@xshullaw]

The most I took away from this video was "rElOaDiNg" and "goofy aliens in my space shooter". Like bruh.

[@belottov]

@@xshullaw That's more of an indictment on you, man.

[@ClassMRule]

@@belottov to be fair, he had some really shitty hot takes in that video with opinions he probably could have just kept to himself. It just comes off like he just wants every game to play exactly like Doom. Which I doubt he actually believes, but it does come across that way.

[@John-996]

@Steps for sure but when people copy over games it starts to feel stale.

[@sainsburyshopper]

Halo had a dozen copycats that imitated the health regen and two weapon limit, but forgot to include the varying enemy types that played off each other and sandbox level design.

[@kadirgarib3459]

While I understand you felt that as a kid, you're wrong at Halo's role in gaming. Halo isn't a cover shooter, and I don't recommend playing it like one, you're actively thinking, reloading, or repositioning yourself when your shields are low and shouldn't just be sitting in a corner doing nothing. Halo was the transitional game between the old quake likes and the cover shooter, it's a mix of both. Halo fans have no problem with battle royale when it comes to changing gameplay (how does that affect halo?) Games like COD actually changed Halo with sprint and loadout-like mechanics is what damaged Halo for many. I don't mean to be rude but I just felt that you misrepresented Halo's role in the evolution of shooters

[@kevinwesel2472]

Agreed

[@Scruffest]

I think a good analogy can be made, and that's with comics Before Superman, many heroes wore trench coats, duel wielding pistols and was extremely detective driven, until Superman happened and everything changed, the golden age of comics is when everyone copied the spandex trend with powers until YEARS until a handful of publishers took action and returned to the old.

[@krafter8652]

absolutely

[@john-ek9gv]

Anyone who thinks halo is a cover shooter must have a negative iq

[@thatonedeadmeme2206]

@@HK-07 you don't have to imagine it cuz we're doing it right now

[@darkphoenix2]

"I tried to give Halo another chance, so I played the oldest and slowest game" It's obviously your opinion that the tactical, cover, whatever you want to call them shooters had detrimental effects on the genre. But saying it that way also implies that the only good shooters are the extremely fast arena Quake/Unreal/Doom style ones. How would you create a believable world and tell a believable story about humanity fighting against a technologically superior alien alliance if you designed the game with large, open levels, aliens that died very quickly, and a super soldier that can carry an entire arsenal all on his own but dies just as quickly as the aliens? None of it goes together. Now, we could sit around and think of how to make those gameplay elements work that way, but that's the point I'm making. Gameplay and narrative serve each other. Doom will never have a moment like Noble 6 sacrificing himself to ensure the Pillar of Autumn escapes Reach. The Spartan super soldiers, as strong as they are, are still normal humans and their deaths are impactful moments. Doomguy is an unstoppable superhuman force and the gameplay is meant to make you feel that way. It's just pure chaotic fun. A game like Halo puts me in the middle of a real conflict, as a real human soldier. Like, when I get the rocket launcher in Doom, I got, alright, another weapon. In Halo, picking up the rocket launcher is a big deal. They are a precious resource and getting the maximum damage out of it is very satisfying. I dunno, that's how I see things. I like Doom and Halo. Not for the gameplay, for how they make me feel.

[@theencore398]

He is just verifying his bias and love for fast paced shooters, thats what all it is.

[@tuckerhenrikson7709]

It's crazy to think that Halo 2's movement is faster than Halo 5's sprint.

[@DatcleanMochaJo]

Really good points about how the movement and the lore create an impactful moment in the games. even when I was a young dude these moments did not make me cry but certainly touched me. I hated Halo 4 and the direction Halo went in after Halo Reach. I replayed these games years ago and the ending of Halo 3 touches me more than had I not played it in a more aware status.

[@tokyosecuritycomitteeemplo9135]

Holy shit that's a long comment.

[@Ashamedofmypast]

While I agree with the sentiment. You can 100% make a realistic style game with the setting you proposed.

[@bushfighter21]

Mans is complaining about reloading lol

[@zaidlacksalastname4905]

"it's not doom eternal" _round of applause_

[@steliosvagianos8445]

this is literally the video. I see everyone praise his takes, but.... the second he starts talking about Halo, which is around 8 minutes in, he just says "it isn't doom". Every negative he says is just something that Doom had and Halo didn't, as if any shooter that isn't Doom automatically hurt video games. Reloading, the shield, the movement that isn't almost flying, the 2 weapons. Yeah man, it isn't doom, but there's a very good reason it became so popular Xbox Live would have failed without it. Doom (both original and new) are extremely good games and very influencial, but... just because Halo wasn't doom, that doesn't mean it wasn't good. I can understand where the criticism comes from, but all of it feels like "It wasn't like the game I loved, so it's not good".

[@lolmarko4897]

@@steliosvagianos8445 amazing you successfully missed the entire point and are criticizing a point never made in the video. gg

[@steliosvagianos8445]

@@lolmarko4897 I didn't miss the point, I watched the entirety of the video. The points he makes, however, I do not agree with and continuously boil down to shooters after Halo not being like Doom, which he liked.

[@erin3967]

@@steliosvagianos8445i think what they mean by point of the vid is that mayo said at the beginning that nearly the whole video is opinionated and biased, but how he feels. So its completely fine to disagree, this is just what he personally thinks.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

every mayo video

[@AnakinSkywakka]

I'd argue that Halo to the fps genre is what RE4 is to the horror genre. It's an incredible game but because of its success, it had spurred an enormous amount of cheap cop outs and imitations in order to leech off it.

[@csabaszabo6859]

hey good to see ya here buddy

[@AnakinSkywakka]

@@csabaszabo6859 I apologize if I don't recognize you. Are you from George Salonikh's stream?

[@csabaszabo6859]

@@AnakinSkywakka yeah

[@funkyreapercat5280]

The same can be said of Doom

[@kaejuka6249]

i mean thats how the fps genre got started in the first place. for a while, every new fps game that came out was labeled a doom clone.

[@1010otep]

"hide so you can heal" you sure are gonna hate halo 2 legendary

[@cg5380]

Why hide snipers will kill you in 1 hit anyway

[@skeletonnoise6178]

*Shakes* jAkAL SnIPerS

[@florianz8922]

@@cg5380 yeah why hide? XD the chiefs armor in halo 2 is made out of wet paper

[@genenatalejr.3593]

@Something Diabolical The key to being good at halo is running pistol / sniper and headshotting everything before it even is close enough to spot you. Because you move like a man stuck in mud

[@AlturdWalker]

I mean at least in halo 2 your shields regen faster.

[@blake4249]

"dead space isn't an fps" y-yeah, thats because its a third person shooter

[@tuscanollie1242]

whats ur point. he said it aint a fps cuz its not

[@jonjones66696]

@@tuscanollie1242 using that logic, he might as well state every other game that isn’t FPS just so we know haha

[@tuscanollie1242]

@@jonjones66696 ok idc

[@belottov]

@@jonjones66696 Yeah, but it's a very good console shooter. Mayo probably brought it up because he likes it.

[@UnchainedEruption]

Also it's a horror game first, not an action title.

[@LuciusBurke]

It's funny you mentioned bioshock because that series is a perfect example of how consoles affected shooters. The first two games let you use your full arsenal and even had different ammo types for each weapon. Then infinite put in a two weapon limit , regenerating shields and went from a free roam environment to wave based encounters.

[@BananaMana69]

The logic here makes no sense. The first two games were made on console so how did console gaming affect the third one negatively? You are confusing console and the games on console that became popular, COD being the most popular game for years in a row is what created that, not the console.

[@ToveriJuri]

@@BananaMana69 Actually he's right, but for completely wrong reasons. Bioshock was dumbed down for consoles. If you Play System Shock 2 you'll realize that Bioshock is just a dumbed down System Shock 2, but with a more unique aesthetic and nice graphics. Even the story beats are somewhat copied, but maybe a bit more cleverly presented in Bioshock.

[@nxg5207]

Now I feel like I’m weird for loving both games, doom and halo

[@underthemayo]

You can love them both. They're both great games.

[@fishnutz5196]

Doom is Eternal and Halo is Infinite. But both are legendary

[@CyriuX7]

Nothing wrong with that.

[@TheAbsol7448]

@@fishnutz5196 Ohhhh.... Clever.

[@flameredm4022]

I feel like their is a huge overlap in their communities so likely not as weird as you think.

[@TheMetalIsNeon]

Halo is like the Shrek of FPS games. Green bois staring in great games who would cause shitty imitators to copy its mechanics without understanding why Halo used said mechanics.

[@pradeepdungdung4379]

tell that to 343

[@InnuendoXP]

Halo(CE)'s health system makes sense in the setting. You're in a power suit with a recharging energy shield built on reverse-engineered alien technology, along with some armour plating that could take some hits that shared a system with the marines. What happened to the genre was like if Metroid took off like Halo did & then you had WW2 & modern military soldiers morphballing all over the place & having guns instead of hands. But at least that would've been kinda fun & wacky!

[@Gruntvc]

And then CoD became extremely popular after MW1 2007 and the same desperate copying happened again. This industry is not good.

[@InnuendoXP]

@@Gruntvc at least major publishers finally seem to be understanding that diversification is better for ongoing profitability than putting all your eggs in the trend-chasing basket. But they still wish they were Zynga & Epic so bad. It's almost like they forgot they swallowed Blizzard already then WoW stopped growing & what they're trying to do is neither possible nor sustainable.

[@perrytran9504]

@@pradeepdungdung4379 343's Halos are hiliarious. For all the harm Halo did to FPS's diversity, it was at least a trendsetter. And then 343 comes along to follow new trends that more or less killed Halo's relevancy today. Let's hope that id doesn't start making the same mistakes now that Microsoft owns them too.

[@trash7493]

As a person that grew up with CoD and halo and shooters like this. I can confirm that after I finished playing fortnite because it just wasn’t the same. I’m realizing that this is going to be bad for the games that I love like CoD and such. I tried DOOM 2016 out and loved it and ever since I have loved those boomer shooters more than anything. In fact DOOM Eternal is now my favorite game to release.

[@UnchainedEruption]

It's not about trends, it's really down to execution. Activision milked Call of Duty to death, and between all the imitators and endless marketing it was easy to hate on it, but at the end of the day they made great blockbuster singleplayer campaigns and had addictive multiplayer deathmatch when at their peak. Doom Eternal is a very different kind of shooter, even compared to the other Doom games, but I think it is definitely one of the best FPS games of all time, and I'm a classic Doom fan first. Just because battle royale is popular among the kids who play Fortnite because it's free, it doesn't mean the game is good. In fact, usually the free shit sucks. If it didn't, the devs would realize they could charge money for it.

[@riddell26]

You are giving Fortnite too much credit. Its literally just a test bed for Unreal Engine 4 and now UE5 updates. Do you really think the seasons are there to give people new things? No, it's to test new mechanics, bug fixes, physics etc.

[@trash7493]

@@riddell26 I just enjoyed the game, I never said it wasn't just a test bed. I just used to enjoy the gameplay

[@1337GameDev]

9:58 - I disagree that the weapon limit is a bad thing. I also dislike the critic on shield recharge making engagements useless. The issues here are: 1. Weapon limits reinforces they idea that a player who is on a streak, has less curb stomping ability on players that have died. This reduces a snowball effect of dieing and makes it less frustrating. 2. The weapon limit forces you to choose weapons for ever situation and removes clunky mistakes of switching to #4 weapon, when you want #5. It reduces impact of natural human error. I think this is good. Instead of losing because you fat fingered a number, you lost due to your actions in the firefight - a more important reason to lose. 3. Players moving slower reduces the exhaustion from playing and gives newer players a better chance. It also reinforces that the skill to win isn't reaction time, but more or less what you do in the firefight. Reaction time being they primary factor in shooters isn't as fun imho, and gets boring for people who aren't as good at that. Halo evens out natural skill in that area, as variance amongst players in natural ability for reaction times varies a lot. 4. The shield mechanic made it so that you need to COMMIT to a firefight with good tactics instead of purely surprising them. It also gives more reaction time to both players and reduces the impact of a single natural human mistake has on the firefight. If you can't kill an opponent and their shields recharge, your tactic failed. You need to try again and improve. A stalemate can be possible if you have a larger hallway, but then both players need to try a different tactic. 5. You wanting to experiment with guns is noteworthy, but after a few levels, you KNOW what the guns do. For the first time player, yes it can suck a bit to regret switching, but then you learn. That's part of the learning process. 6. Your complaint about not being able to check your flanks is notable.... But for the first few matches on higher sensitivity. I usually adjust to a 7/8 out of 10, and can handle it fine. It also encourages map awareness and limits your information you can obtain and if you want to check your flank, you need to be smart about when you do it.

[@WerewulfNerd2000]

I don't see how having multiple weapons makes it harder to switch. In a FPS that's designed for mouse, and keyboard it's very easy to switch weapons in the middle of a firefight.

[@1337GameDev]

@@WerewulfNerd2000 Well, with mouse and keyboard, you have to do unreal tournament hotkeys to switch between "weapon slots" or you need a many like mass effect / far cry for controller. It just adds extra complexity.

[@WerewulfNerd2000]

@@1337GameDev That can be fixed by just using the mouse scroll to switch weapons. I can't say all shooters do this, however the ones that are designed for mouse and keyboard have the option of using the mouse to switch weapons which is far easier than using the number keys. Counter Strike for example has multiple slots for grenades which can be easily selected by just scrolling the mouse to select them.

[@_Phen_]

@@WerewulfNerd2000 Halo is more fast paced and intuitive in general when it comes to controls. Especially grenades and melee. Weapon limit isn't there to limit the fun or to make the game realistic for consoles. Even before Halo was developed on console, there was a form of a weapon limit feature. I play both old school and modern shooters and i see that switching between two weapons with a press of a button is just more smooth and dynamic to me. Plus it encourages me to try and experiment and figure out how to engage in certain situations using my brain. I think that enemy encounters really get slept on in these kinds of discussions. You can have the most varied, balanced, smooth and complex game in the world with excellent weapons and features, but without real enemies that push you to challenge and think strategically, the game falls flat and becomes boring. And i think this is Halo's strongest feat. Every fight feels like a chess match where enemies dynamically respond to your actions and make various decisions at the moment. Couple that with an extremely unique set of "baddies", and you will have an awesome experience...

[@simplynotthere4726]

"No grapple hook" Guess what...

[@recluse9978]

*REALLY* ...

[@simplynotthere4726]

@@recluse9978 yes

[@camoking3609]

@@recluse9978 yes

[@gorogoro7384]

I mean the energy sword was basically a grapple hook in Halo 2

[@simplynotthere4726]

@@gorogoro7384 truuuue

[@liamzeeson576]

Bashing on Halo? Nah Bashing on Battle Royale? *Yes*

[@Gruntvc]

Battle Royal and FTP games full of microtransactions and pay to win mechanics are the true evil of this industry.

[@TheAbsol7448]

Tetris 99 and Super Mario Bros. 35 are the only exceptions.

[@tokyosecuritycomitteeemplo9135]

Too bad Mario 35 is limited time only.

[@Z3RO5286]

Battle royale is just copy and paste garbage trash. Blackout and warzone are ass.

[@stormer9952]

@@Gruntvc Not entirely Apex Legends is pretty awesome EA is just greedy.

[@MaavaaM]

Really, really interesting video. Not something I see very often: a highly subjective, individual-level interpretation of a game, based more on past recollection than objective analysis. And as a longtime Halo fan, it was indeed refreshing to see. I love Halo and always will, but you made some great points from a perspective that I don't have.

[@yasurething5417]

“Watch your tongue arbiter what you say is heresy”

[@tropicaljupiter]

"I would bring my PC and play quake and the other 16 guys would play halo with each other" wow

[@GrandMastaKiwi]

I felt that when he said that in the video. As far as I know, I don't recall having that happen to me before (mainly cuz I rarely went to a few game tournament parties), but I honestly felt sad when he mentioned this happened to him. I can only imagine being the only person to bring their setup for a game your friends use to play only to find yourself playing that game alone and remembering the fun times you had playing said game while your same friends are currently playing the next big thing a few inches away from you in walking length.

[@GrandMastaKiwi]

@@HK-07 oh I get that. For me I grew up on the fps games he doesn't enjoy like halo and call of duty, etc. So those type of games never truly bugged me because I never saw, or let alone noticed, the walking speeds or the amount of guns you can carry because I just stick to the flow of the shooters I play. I never cared about my character running like the flash, or carrying an arsenal to experiment with against enemies, but for those who did grew up playing those type of fps games I can totally understand the frustration. The only thing I disagree with him on in this video is him putting the blame on halo as being the sole reason for the pivot of game design when it comes to fps games in the 2000s/2010s. The industry should be blamed for trying to make shooters feel like halo rather than trying to do their own unique style of fps games. But hey, with the growing boomer shooter renaissance that's been happening lately, and with triple a companies making fast paste 90 style games like the new doom and wolfenstein games, who knows? We might be seeing more of these style of fps games in the years to come. I just want a new turok game damnit! Lol

[@Lae-zel_enthusiast]

@@HK-07 nothing wrong with casual players, I cannot stand these hyper cuck doom players, I like doom, but almost everyone who plays doom has some superiority complex like they’re somehow better than other gamers and casual gamers can’t play.

[@WOW-ul2bk]

@@HK-07 "it made me want say “YEAH! Fuck you!” to the people or “casuals” that the industry favoured but shamelessly left the old-school FPS players in the dust. I wouldn’t actually say that to them though." B R U H

[@Cactus_fucker]

This is so sad

[@cringenormie9095]

The title is misleading. A better title would be “Halo’s Legacy Ruined First Person Shooter”

[@markcobuzzi826]

Or maybe “Halo Imitators Ruined First Person Shooters”?

[@adrianvasquez7177]

its not misleading its an appropriate title

[@adrianvasquez7177]

@CessNight5672 how is it misleading

[@adrianvasquez7177]

@CessNight5672 he's saying halo ruined fps it was the first case of this not the legacy or whatever this one game then everything else that adapted these systems

[@adrianvasquez7177]

@CessNight5672 the industry made the game the design choices is what ruined the fps genre the game mechanics and systems completely made fps games different so it is the game or at least what makes up the game

[@MNSH]

can someone tell me the name of the game at 3:31 , the running train one??

[@underthemayo]

That's Bad Dudes on the NES.

[@giovanegas5710]

By today’s standards bioshock definitely feels prehistoric, funnily enough, I feel that it plays better on pc than console, but even with the clunky and weighty controls, it’s still worthy of a play through and is really a genuine classic that’ll be remembered as much as many of the other games you speak of

[@basedostrich]

Still waiting for a B4

[@noobguy9973]

bruh ı fucken loved Bioshock due to its different plasmoids and no weapon limit (unlike Bioshock Infinite WTF) its story was great and enviormental and elemental attacks with different ammonation types and tonics made it a different fun RPGish game. Bioshock 1 is obviously my fav in the series with its unique settings , unique gameplay and story (thoe the whole little sister harvest or rescue thing was useless since there is no reason to harvest them cause you get more than enough ADAM throughout the game)

[@666chapelofblood]

It "feels" prehistoric if you're a zoomer.

[@giovanegas5710]

@@666chapelofblood just play any modern fps, they’re just variations of the same control scheme which make them feel similar. I think the clunky controls of bioshock add to its charm

[@Gustavo-nm3eu]

A lot of the design choices in Halo weren't done because of console limitations, they were done intentionally. Bungie wanted players to make more tactical choices and interact with the environment more by limiting them to two weapons. Making grenades and melee attached to buttons instead of a whole weapon slot made combat flow better, even on PC. Halo was revolutionary for finally moving FPS combat forward instead of sticking with the stale formula used since Wolfenstein, also, weapon balance in Halo is entirely built around only being able to carry two weapons. It's not Halo fault if a million other games copied that limitation without copying the overall design that made it work.

[@tatinthehat2813]

EXACTLY, it’s much more tactical. That’s what it’s designed to be

[@doommaker4000]

Yes, I watched the video too

[@BobsRevenge]

Halo felt intolerably slow and unfun for PC gamers by itself and without the help of any other games, games trying to copy it basically just turned it into a vortex that was sucking in franchises we loved and watering them down, and though that was the real injury, you guys are all ignoring that another point the guy made and that a lot of people share was that Halo was not a fun game for PC FPS gamers

[@dunadan7136]

People like you throw the word “tactical” around a lot, I don’t think you know what it means. The two weapon limit isn’t tactical, its disruptive. The game wants you to use the right weapon for the job, yet the game expects you to stop playing the game for a while to look for the right weapon on the ground. It’s not fun, it’s not clever and it’s just fucking annoying. And before you go “you just can’t play the game lol”, I cleared the entire of CE of Legendary and have beaten nearly all Covenant levels with just assault rifle and pistol, so don’t pull the “you can’t play” crap on me. “Moving FPS combat forward”? Don’t fucking make me laugh.

[@Jack_War]

@@dunadan7136 its a halo fanboy, what do u expect? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@adiveler]

One of the biggest offenders must be Duke Nukem Forever: from what started as a fast-paced old-school shooter, just to embrace the modern trend of regenerated health & taking cover, linear path, and being limited to hold only 2 weapons at any given times! All this while marketing makes him looks like the same badass he used to be, only to reveal that you just play another one of those shooters where you hide like a bitch every time you get a boo-boo!

[@Gruntvc]

Duke Nukem Forever and Aliens Colonial Marines are two of the worst FPS games ever made. Do not buy Gearbox.

[@ProsecutorValentine]

@@DMCMaster550 Down right hypocratic then.

[@Conflict1922]

@@DMCMaster550 almost any time Duke Nukem does that it's more a friendly poke, but tribute to those games. It's more for the devs. Duke Nukem 3D did the same with Doom. DNF is still ass though.

[@underthemayo]

The period of around 2010 to 2012 is when things were really at there worst with the themes I'm talking about in this video.

[@alastor8091]

@@DMCMaster550 dude, nobody likes or liked DNF. Duke fans don't associate with that garbage.

[@diddlenfiddle7311]

I'm very curious. Did you play Shadow Warrior when that came out? As I feel that and Serious Sam 3 were the start of old school fps return.

[@carrosivejones1969]

I'd say the shift in mainstream FPS design didn't just happen with Halo, but also with Half-Life 2 and COD 4; all of them were slower paced FPS games, compared to the classics, with a focus on more realistic design, story telling, more linear map design, etc. I'm sure there are others, but those are the main three I can think of.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

I think MOH and COD1 had even more of an effect.

[@Dio-fw4bm]

Correction of the title, "how halo ruined my experience with the fps genre"

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

Kinda seen this comment coming lol

[@user-vy8fz3nc7t]

yep

[@shizno1872]

That’s click bait for you

[@JZStudiosonline]

It's more "PC Gamer cries about something that has nothing to actually do with Halo." There was multiple large properties before Halo that had all the "issues" Halo had, but apparently they don't count for some reason.

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

@@JZStudiosonline typical PC gamer

[@maxj9204]

I see where you're coming from as a massive doom fan, but man... Not everyone wants a game as fast paced as Doom. I love the shit out of it and it definitely has the best combat in any shooter ever, but the downside is that it's *exhausting* to play for any length of time, especially for someone used to other FPSs. Most of the time I like being able to chill behind cover and pick enemies off with precision weapons, use stealth in any capacity, basically use the playstyles that Doom makes completely impossible. As for enemies' shields recovering, git gud. If you can't keep fire on someone long enough to kill them before they kill you, get better, that's where the challenge comes from in Halo. Learn to use cover, learn to stop your enemies from taking advantage of it. It sounds like you just don't like the mechanics of Halo (which again I get, it's just not your style and that's fine), but you can't say that one of the most innovative and successful FPSs of all time ruined the genre; that's objectively false.

[@vothbetilia4862]

@Leon Johansson Well then, Halo would eventually get boring if it was it's only own game mechanic, the point of gaming is to expand and be creative, it's all about preference, but from this guy, he's being biased as hell for fast paced shooters.

[@vothbetilia4862]

@Leon Johansson Well guess what, Doom isn't even close to being a dead franchise, and people have to accept the fact not everyone likes fast paced games every now and then, Mechanics like Halo feel fresh and alive, while mechanics like wolfenstein gets repetitive at times. Its called "Innovation".

[@vothbetilia4862]

@Leon Johansson That's not point I said, what I said was If the whole Wolfenstein mechanics were still around and Halo didn't even exist, then the Wolfensteins mechanics would get repetitive, and the genre of fps would fall, same goes for Halo vise versa though, BUT there's other games like Halo that are somewhat similar to Halos mechanics, but are different from one another, people didn't just like cod for it's gameplay back then, it was also it's story telling and characters, every has preferences on these type of games, however when I looked at the title of this video, all I saw was pretty much ( Make Fast Paced Shooters great again), there's nothing wrong playing those types of games, people just intend to find other game mechanics more interesting. Good day.

[@ChawedMirthPrattEnterprise]

this was a video about his own opinion, i dont see why mayo would want to include other people's opinions when this is how *he* feels

[@lucidreclamation1323]

YEAH!....... -what he said!.....

[@patrickcarranza2823]

As a fan who grew up with Halo, this is a really interesting perspective. You have really opened my eyes to your perspective, I now feel like I understand how trends and different land mark games effect the industry. Halo was the next Doom, Fortnite is the next Halo.

[@CardfightCasual]

Great points, I totally agree with your observation except for the last bit. Halo was an arena shooter, so it was really more in the same category of COD, even Counterstrike. What happened is that a new genre of game became the main thing. I think that had something to do with the changing times and definitely the advances in technology. Having 16 people on a LAN party was crazy back in the say, but a massive online arena with 150 people was inconceivable. Fortnite was the next PUBG and PUBG took a concept that was itself first popularized in media by the rise of Battle Royale. Not in games even, but first in the Hunger Games book and movies, itself part of the trend of YA post-apocalyptic novels. I guess it just goes to show how the different areas of media and tech intersect to form pop culture.

[@Soulfly415]

Quake was the next Doom, Half-Life was the next Quake and Halo was the next Half-Life... too bad Half-Life 2 didn't become the next Halo, because that would have been a great direction for the shooters to come... instead Call of Duty, and it's ilk of boring tactical, cover based shooters became the next trend.

[@riddell26]

Fortnite is a test bed for Unreal Engine 4. Don't delude yourself

[@Insky_]

but Fortnite is a third person shooter

[@Outofrealman]

TBH, console ruin gaming, in a way, when Devs actively limit themselves BECAUSE they make games with console in mind, thats why you have 4 skills because of controllers... when games made with PC in mind with have 8-10 skills because you have 1-0 on a keyboard.

[@sodium7127]

Insightful nice. Although I do disagree with you on some points, you have my full respect and admiration for turning a video I was ready to dislile (due to my ignorance) into something that helped me look at things through the bigger picture with excellently presented constructive criticism. Bravo! I wholeheartedly thank you for enlightening me and you have my utnost sympathy.

[@thewanderingartists]

Sees the title, grabs a pitchforck, well fellas let's first listen to what this folk has to say.

[@thewanderingartists]

Guess he lives, he made valid points, just like he did in Alien Isolation. And that's why I subscribed !!🤠 Howdy !

[@eatershep6280]

This ended well

[@deckerthedude2560]

Started sharpening my pitchfork when he complained about reloading.

[@Delta-kt4gj]

Same

[@Ashamedofmypast]

I'm expecting this to be a good quality video that I disagree with. Open to being convinced but doubt that will happen. Expect this to be more an argument for homogenization in shooters post halo like we saw with cod and titanfall after that.

[@giacomobergonzi4906]

I kinda understand your feelings, but to me it seems like you wanted every FPS to be an arena shooter, but arena shooters are obviously a subgenre, the fact that Halo and the generation of games that followed took the attention away from arena shooters is also because of a point of no innovation that arena shooters had reached. I personally love the Halo saga, maybe more than any other game franchise, and as a guitarist the fact tha Halo 2 had a soundtrack improvised by Steve Vai was a big part of that. The skirmish mode in Reach is something you would rly love imo anyways, give it a try.

[@youtubecommenter2527]

Yeah, Halo isn't DOOM or UT or Quake so Halo ruined FPS. What? He just wants every FPS to be fast paced Arena Shooters.

[@nickporter4279]

It's not just arena games that had fast pace, advanced movement and OTT combat in the '90s: it was almost the entire PC FPS genre.

[@jacksonhernandez3670]

@@arnoldSwollenmember what I don’t understand is how halo is the reason for that. Is it just because it is successful?

[@ultimatum117052]

@@arnoldSwollenmember well you could argue that the 90s were all just Wolfenstein and Doom clones. Its a dumb argument. The industry will chase trends where the majority of attraction lies. This happens with all genres, not just FPS.

[@summerchilds]

@@arnoldSwollenmember he talked about how halo didn't have a feature that quake had

[@user-ns4zm8qe9p]

Mans just don’t know the pocket reload

[@corrupteddreams8475]

That’s what I was thinking 😂

[@r3al_b00gieboi]

The classic combo that saved your ass on legendary

[@emin166]

You guys just shut up

[@gregrothschilds8453]

@@emin166 “Shut up guys. Stop debunking this video that’s built off an opinion that’s poorly explained and articulated”. Yeah sorry tell Mayo to explain his problems with Halo next time instead of just being lazy and not willing to admit he just didn’t like it cause it was a different type of shooter. Cause that’s all he did. Which doesn’t fit this clickbait title of the vid.

[@hyperx72]

Recharging health done to keep the pace of gameplay up and to reduce backtracking "CONSOLE" Reduced movement speed to allow for vehicle implementation. "CONSOLE" 2 weapon limit to make your weapon choice more tactical as opposed to just giving you an arsenal. "CONSOLE" Controls that don't suck ass "HALO" (But in a negative context because something something natural order). The rise of military shooters coinciding with a rising popularity of dark and/or realistic elements in entertainment media "HALO" "CONSOLE"

[@michalski9141]

sure bud

[@hyperx72]

@@michalski9141 Let me guess you think that every decision Halo made was ONLY because of the hardware it was put on?

[@chxsek]

I really don't think it was Bungie's fault for causing games to change this dramatically. They just tried shaking it up a little bit, and people liked it. Because of that, fps games changed. More and more companies tried to recreate what halo has created. I just don't think it's right to blame halo, and halo only, for trying to be different.

[@chxsek]

Before you comment, think of it this way. You're in school and you have lots of time left in your math class. You decide to leave early, because one person leaving can't hurt too bad, right? Well there's a full classroom full of students with nothing to do, so they follow you little by little. Its not the first persons fault for trying something new, it's the people who followed.

[@deriznohappehquite]

@@chxsek Halo didn’t even start out as an FPS game. It was originally supposed to be a science fiction clone of Bungie’s previous fantasy RTS, the StarCraft to Myth’s Warcraft.

[@the_fc4life]

As a hardcore Halo fan, I loved this video. I loved your honest critique and your different view of the shooter industry coming from the PC world. And I loved how you connected Halo's effect back then to the Battle Royal effect today 🙌🙌

[@underthemayo]

Thanks. I really do respect the series even though it's not for me. It's not Halo the game that was bad. It was the homogenization of shooters in the wake of its success.

[@harold6848]

@@underthemayo yea I love Halo, it is my childhood and i see your arguement and agree with it, great video

[@underthemayo]

@@harold6848 I wouldn't want every game to play like Doom or Quake or Fear either.

[@harold6848]

@@underthemayo no absolutely not you'd just burn yourself out playing that forever but you made some really good points and all I have to say is great job, a well executed video

[@harold6848]

@@underthemayo no absolutely not you'd just burn yourself out playing that forever but you made some really good points and all I have to say is great job, a well executed video

[@Cronquist]

The first part of this video is eerie... It's like 100% like my own journey, with a couple changes of which games I played/liked, and I feel exacly like you about the feeling playing with a controller. I'm gonna watch the rest now. 😎

[@izzate7]

This is an interesting perspective. I grew up with a similar exposure to console games, but without the exposure to PC shooters. Playing fighters and scrollers on SNES, Dreamcast, and PS1 & PS2 were where I cut my teeth in gaming. When I got an Xbox in 2002 Halo was the only version of shooters I’d ever known. I’ve loved it from day one and never gave it a second thought.

[@handlessuck589]

Isn't this pretty much the cycle of literally anything popular. I can argue the same for JRPGs and Action RPGs. Or Kanye West being so good that everyone who tried to be him sucks ass at it. This is literally just pop culture in a nutshell. engineer gaming.

[@pangilli1880]

Yeah, I mean, it's really hard to blame a specific video game, or just thing in general, for "ruining" something else. Of course, it might've helped pave the way towards all these more popular games attempting to "copy" it, but I don't think it really should take the fall for just being a good game. Hell, things Battle Royales aren't even that bad, Fortnite is a ton of fun with pals and it shows that they're a viable genre if effort is put into them, so of course there's gonna be a lot of garbage out there trying to bank on its success.

[@MurriciTerceiro]

DAMNED ENGINEERS, SEARCHING FOR THE FASTEST OR EASIEST WAYS OF MAKING MONEY OVER PAST SUCESSES gamineer enging

[@bolson42]

Honestly this is really true lol

[@pangilli1880]

@Paul Martin Well, yeah? I mean, a game being good, not broken, and free would probably make it a lot more popular and well-received, especially since it was one of the only battle royales to finally compete with PUBG. If you don't like it, that's completely okay, you shouldn't be forced to. However, disliking it purely because it influenced other games is silly. Fortnite didn't directly make contributions for, let's say, Call of Duty to make Warzone, that was a decision made by the team working on it.

[@fishsayhelo9872]

the man the myth the legend:

[@chin258456]

it's not HALO that ruin FPS it's the gaming industry tried copy HALO's style that ruined FPS that's what his point actually

[@underthemayo]

Such a long title though...

[@rickygforce4217]

@@underthemayo Yes but the short title is the one that would most likely get people to hunt you down xD

[@captain-chair]

Clones, the bane of the entertainment industry...

[@smalliesmalls9601]

@@underthemayo Ok, can I prompt you with something? Halo is built as a tactical shooter, but I feel like other shooters borrowed Halo’s mechanics, despite not being tactical shooters. A run and gun fps game shouldn’t adopt features for a tactical shooter like Halo. I think it was just “Halo is popular, lets put Halo features in our game” without understanding the purpose of Halo’s design choices. This is coming from someone who’s beat all of them on Legendary, so I’m obviously biased.

[@Conflict1922]

@@underthemayo just call it the Halo effect, or "Halo is now feeling the Halo effect"

[@gabrielximenes911]

What’s the name of the music that starts playing at 3:00?

[@manadork92]

See this is how you talk/debate about something. Not bashing the game, not hating the player base, etc. Just giving your honest opinion. Excellent work mayo

[@ClassMRule]

too bad facts dont care about opinions, and that some of his bigger complaints are just simply false. Not to say that everything was incorrect, but he seems to only be addressing the symptom of his root problem rather than the actual cause for it. "Combat Evolved" isnt the problem for him, its that he just doesnt like consoles, or that he wants all games to feel like Doom or Tribes or Quake or something. I dont understand the animosity towards games like Halo or CoD or Battlefield even, it just comes off as elitist and kinda douchy.

[@ultrairrelevantnobody1862]

@JJCaustic In other words, you didn't even watch the video.

[@ClassMRule]

ah shit you got me bro, nice comeback /s in fact however I did have the misfortune of watching this clickbait tier hot take. Its not trying to be objective, lets be real here. Its coming from a place of raw emotion and is only indicative of the author's opinion. That being the case, its not completely devoid of merit. He's entitled to hold his opinion, as are his fans and followers. If you count yourself among them, thats fantastic, he really does have some good quality videos out there. But this aint it Chief.

[@ultrairrelevantnobody1862]

@@ClassMRule He's made it clear in the video that Halo is a great game. More importantly, his problem is how the influence of Halo lead to a huge quantity of imitators, and as such the FPS market became one-sided instead of this balanced mixture of varied FPS games made for their respective platforms, either PC or Console. Obviously, he prefers the faster FPS games made for PC, but that wasn't the main focus. Of course, when you say stuff that shows you either haven't watched the video or don't get the clear context, you're bound to say a load of rubbish.

[@ClassMRule]

@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 Would you say that Rogue "killed" Roguelikes, or that Metroid/Castlevania "killed" Metroidvania games? Or that Dark Souls "killed" Soulslikes? Because thats comprabale to saying that Halo "killed" the genre of "Halo-Killers" which followed the games industry influence following the popularity of the console shooter.

[@arsenijevic564]

I would LOVE to hear your take on the Battle Royale genre.

[@underthemayo]

It would be hard to do because I'd have to play more of it and I really don't want to lol

[@arsenijevic564]

Understandable

[@Legion849]

You mean Fortnite mode because every game has one these days.

[@fastenedcarrot9570]

@@underthemayo Based.

[@arsenijevic564]

@@Legion849 Pretty much, yes.

[@DeFantasticFiend]

Well this looks like the classic story of an industry learning the wrong lessons from a success and you suffering because of it

[@imtoddhowardandimadeskyrim6553]

So a industry that never learns anything teeheehee

[@lugbzurg8987]

@@imtoddhowardandimadeskyrim6553 Let's all laugh!

[@mr.raider7865]

I'm honestly glad I saw this video after the elden ring stream, explained an awful lot.

[@GreenEarth20]

There's a reason why I've been playing Tribes Ascend for 8 years and still enjoy it. Was pretty upset with what happened with Quake Champions. Rest in peace new Unreal Tournament, it was showing a lot of promise. Feels bad man.

[@Paddy656]

This idea of Halo being this game designed to be a molasses-coated slogfest so that it could be playable on consoles is kinda funny to me. I first played Halo CE on PC and absolutely loved it, and I still play it on PC to this day because it's my favourite way to play. I love Halo's slower pace because, well, it's different. Every shooter wants to be this coke-snorting hyper-speed ADHD nightmare and it gets tiresome sometimes. I like Playing Halo because it's more mellow pace is refreshing and allows other parts of the game to shine. I hate how recent games have tried to constantly speed up the pace of gameplay. Also, you say the enemies are visually bland? *HERESY*

[@brotherhoodofsteeld.c.chap1917]

I agree, slower FPS games like Halo and Metroid prime are amazing

[@corvus_armatura7595]

I somehow doubt that considering that COD came after Halo and they're essentially very close to the same type of movement and gameplay mechanics like regenating health and nerfed movement compared to games like Quake 3 in 1999.

[@brotherhoodofsteeld.c.chap1917]

@WlmsKds GD Pffffff in a few centuries

[@SpiritOfFire88L]

Just have to say, Halo is a military shooter with a sci-fi setting.

[@countvincentthethird2341]

Facts

[@ZahrDalsk]

Yeah it's... kind of weird how he keeps talking about how X is ok in military shooters and not ok in the military sci-fi shooter Halo. Bit of a retard take.

[@Snow-sc4gz]

Games can be grounded in reality without being stuck in a modern setting

[@czhousehold]

Exactly what I was thinking, glad someone said it.

[@abhinavchauhan5575]

Look at ur likes. The company which now owns halo

[@maxmocs5008]

I'm a new Halo player. I got MCC last month, and am currently playing through the games in their release order. I just finished Halo 2. That said, I don't look at these games under the influence of nostalgia. I think a lot of what you say in here is justified. When I went into Halo, I knew it would be a very different gaming experience from Doom. I didn't have a problem with the reloading, the shield recharge, or the cover mechanics. What I did have a problem with, was finding my personal fun zone. The two weapon limit and slow pace made it really difficult for me to find weapon combos and tactics I enjoyed. For example, when I was playing through the later missions of Halo 2, I struggled to find a good strategy to kill brutes. Due to this, there were many times when difficult fights pushed challenging to frustrating for me. I finally discovered that my favorite way to handle brutes was a needler + brute plasma rifle + grenade, but I only found that out right before I fought Tartarus and the game ended. I had the most fun when I got to fly around on a ghost or banshee. I had constant ammo, and could evade enemy fire instead of taking cover from it. And what I find most unfortunate is that I understand why the game is beloved. The combat is still good, story is excellent, and the gameplay balance is fantastic. I just cannot discover that love for myself because the games don't encourage me to experiment more. I like this game, but I would love it the way everyone else in the gaming community does if it pushed me into that fun zone. I know part of having fun in a game is making your own discoveries about the game, but the games needs to give you some tools--a push--as well.

[@chocov1233]

I hope you enjoyed Halo 3 more. Halo 2's campaign is fun, but it's balance us all out of wack, hence the infamous Sniper Jackals that one-shot you on Legendary difficulty and have reaction times faster than a normal human and the bullet sponge Brutes, both issues fixed in Halo 3.

[@chocov1233]

Also, the games are usually balanced so that if you are skilled, switch weapons often, and consistently dodge oncoming enemy fire, you can destroy the Elite or Brute's shields and kill em' with a quick melee or grenade. I respect your opinion though and I hope you get more fun out of the Halo franchise as it is one dear to my heart. Have a good day.

[@ashyoshicharizard3949]

I did not care for halo 3

[@daffoplays6616]

A genre is never dead. Only asleep.

[@Adam-nc6qg]

Tell that to classic adventure games and no, Walking Dead doesn't count.

[@lucylu3342]

Futuristic Racing? F-Zero? That entire Genre of racing games is on life support and that saddens me

[@Adam-nc6qg]

@@lucylu3342 Damn

[@verikan4241]

You're not imagining stuff, what you said about NIN is true, Trent also told the developers themselves when he was making the music for Quake. He also confessed that the Fragile was also constantly delayed because of Quake's multiplayer. I think you can find that interview if you google it with the right words.

[@user4n55]

While I don't agree with you, it is refreshing to see someone who can critique something they don't enjoy without attacking it, or the fan base. Halo 1 is still my favourite FPS. You can have a different opinion, mayo, but as a huge fan, it's good to hear that you can respect why people do enjoy it. Criticism without hate, thank you.

[@kangarooogaming2071]

With all due respect, a lot of this is wrong, Halo saved the FPS genre and is completely different to other shooters in so many great ways

[@JBzucc]

You've got to be taking the piss but as a long time halo fan I'm seeing current trends ruin halo itself with them trying to add all this mediaeval stuff into MCC and how they just seem to want to turn it into fortnight with wacky armors and bring back armor effects

[@yoavmend1909]

@@JBzucc how is this in any way related to this comment ?

[@Theoszombie]

How did Halo save the FPS genre? I don't recall any threat to shooters during that time.

[@Colvice]

@Aether fax

[@ZarelidT]

When I went from super smash bros melee to brawl going from high pace action with lots of skill involved to a slowed down all the high level mechanics getting removed I said they are going to do this for all future fighting games. And nowadays you spam one button for a full combo with a super in a bunch of very popular fighting games. I feel your pain.

[@MasterKiller540_]

The problem isn't Halo, the problem is we need more games like Doom 2016, Doom Eternal and Quake Champions but game companies don't wanna develop those types of fps's

[@jajkub2001]

Well, to be fair, we have a metric fuckton of throwback FPS shooters made by Indie companies now. Look up New Blood Interactive if you wanna look for a publisher with them, they wear that shit like a badge of honor. DUSK, Blood, ULTRAKILL... Then there's other amazing shooters with retro graphics and high adrenaline gameplay like Project Warlock and Strafe. Long story short, there's a ton of stuff to enjoy, but it's indie games

[@Wickedroonz]

@@jajkub2001 yeah i don't think those games ever stopped to be honest its just that cover based shooters were more mainstream... plus there have been hybrid game like the borderlands series where u can run and gun and play slow methodical if u want.

[@soggyeggroll2003]

@@jajkub2001 dusk singleplayer alone is satisfying but frantic. I couldn't imagine what duskworld is like

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

@@jajkub2001 So, make triple A classic shooters, since doom 2016, doom eternal, and quake champions are triple A.

[@lucaspanto1442]

They don't want to develop them because of halo

[@fckkngio]

Huge halo fan boy here but I totally see your point of view. Halo isn’t for everyone. My gf actually thinks it’s very slow paced and is always the game she’s least down to play. Same with my best friend. So I get it. Even I feel like that sometimes after playing the new doom games. Totally agree with the Halo effect thing going on with battle royals now. I hate it lol.

[@felathar1985]

I never got the hype for Halo. The story is booooring as shit and the gameplay is super lame. Maybe because it came on xbox back in the day everyone got in the hype train. I always compare Halo with Skyrim. Both water down FPS.

[@GSG743]

May you please elaborate on how the story is boring and the gameplay is bad. I would like to know why you hate a great.

[@makoshark40]

its not more of halo ruined fps its more everyone else saying i want to do that also. and then that just became normal so yeah and no its halos fault

[@GSG743]

What?

[@andregonzalez2086]

Oh god here we go....

[@HazopGaze]

"I know your pain, guys. I've been there." A sentiment that is comforting, to say the least. Expertly done, this is getting my like, and if your other videos are as well put as this, I'll be subbed shortly after.

[@ToveriJuri]

Except he wasn't. He's complaining that he didn't like the game design direction. Games themselves were still fine full priced games. What people are now facing are games being actively cut and sold in pieces, predatory monetization practices. Mobile games. All he went through is see FPS games start to prefer a style that wasn't to his own taste, but they were still proper full games.

[@AImpatientMan]

Late but whatever One of my friends will come over about once/twice a month and we play video games in the same room like we're old men. It started in 2019 with doki doki literature club of all things but now we are playing halo CE on legendary. We both had been doing our first runs of eternal, him on ultra violence, and me on nightmare(because im a masochist) blind with tutorials off. There was about 9 different points throughout 2 hours where one of us said something along the lines of "I tried to dash away/I'm too slow/why couldn't of we gotten ghost or banshees? The markers 300 meters away." Its still fun but we spend a lot of the time just walking around or hiding behind cover. The third to last mission where you destroy the generatos also only gives you a banshee for each player, but won't respawn, even though its required to beat the level since you have to get on hangers/platforms with no other way besides flying up there with the banshee. About 8 of our resets were us just doing a 1v1 because a wraith shot the banshee and softlocked the game. Halo CE is still fun, but after playing games like eternal/2016, L4D2 versus, racing games, mario 64 and minecraft made me realize how much downtime there is in modern shooters. Anytime where your sitting behind cover to regenerate your health is time where you are not playing the game. Even slower games like 64 and minecraft still let you make multiple mini decisions a minute so its still engaging.

[@tovbyte]

I get you’re points mate and honestly fair enough. But I feel you’re kinda missing the point in halo: it’s supposed to be a mix between sci fi Action and grounded military shooter.. I think most design decisions were made with that in mind

[@ColdNorth0628]

Pretty much this. A good 50%of this was basically "hey....this isnt doom, or quake, what the hell?!!!!!" Kinda ticked me off because the thought process is kinda idiotic. Every game should be seen through a new lens, if you want to compare you have to compare them between accurate means, comparing halo to quake is apples to oranges.

[@Dan_Tactics]

Most people forget that Bungie tested different guns at shooting ranges so that they could model in-game weapons after real-life weapons in terms of looks, sounds, and how they feel. Oh, and they also fused vehicular combat into a FPS in campaign and multi-player which really hadn't been done before Halo CE, other than Mech Warrior (but you couldn't jump out of your Mech, Titanfall style and run and gun on foot).

[@vothbetilia4862]

Because Hes biased with Fast paced shooters, imagine if every game were to be a fast paced, the shooter genre would be repetitive and no longer be interesting for people and move on to something else, people may say other game companys are copying Halos mechanics, but it isn't really copying, it's just expanding more mechanics and more new gameplay feels from other franchise, such as cod, hunting games, battlefield, Rainbow six siege, etc. If every game were to have Doom game mechanics, then what's the point playing other games, if Doom is that only arcade special franchise to enjoy.

[@flashygreenx8828]

Also, In real life you reload. That’s more realistic and you can’t expect the future to not have bullets reload themselves. And it’s balanced for multiplayer because who wants a guy spamming none stop. Not all games can just be like your taste

[@_KillerD_]

there's a point where realism gets in the way of fun.

[@03chrisv]

Just waiting for Doom Eternal clones now

[@mabes448]

Ultra skull

[@Ismael-kc3ry]

Can’t wait for people to call them “Doom-likes”

[@FoxDie77777]

The boomer shooter returned for a while now. Play Dusk (the best one), Amid Evil, Ion Fury, HROT

[@JackChop]

I doubt any will be as good as eternal tho

[@FoxUnitNell]

@@JackChop I had heard that Rage 2 plays a lot like Doom Eternal since there are a lot of upgrades that will make you feel like a bad ass in the later game - which I know came out before, but a youtuber compared rage 2 to doom reboot and eternal.

[@meanderingdev]

I completely sympathise with the point of view, you and I had very similar experiences with games when we were young - but I couldn't help but notice the omission of one obvious late 90s shooter - half life. I feel like that does a pretty good job of bridging the gap, and maybe that's why I personally wasn't so thrown by halo. Half life has the huge arsenal and varied weapons, fast movement speed and emphasis on resource management - but then also has slower narrative moments, reloading weapons, and a slightly more realistic take.

[@torinsmith9867]

You mention doom 2016 (which was great) but you didn't mention all the retro classics coming get out now. Dusk is the best example, but not the only one. I haven't searched all of your channel, have you made a video on these yet?

[@rolph5967]

“Looks at title” “Tread lightly, for this is hollowed ground”

[@TheMiner16]

A Shepard must tend to his flock

[@rolph5967]

@@TheMiner16 Thank you

[@colbycoolby1592]

May the light of lights be with you!

[@rolph5967]

@@colbycoolby1592 Yes

[@ThatGenericPyro]

"tAkE cArE, aRbItEr... *WhAt YoU sAy Is HeReSy"*

[@etlttc353]

Man getting angry at reloading in fps games for 20 minutes

[@heatyeet6538]

Here they come

[@mexido165]

It does suck tbh.

[@etlttc353]

@@mexido165 if done wrong

[@DukeoftheAges]

@@etlttc353 lmao

[@Miyakolover]

He only talked about it for like 30 seconds if not less.

[@VictorGreinvolfe48]

I get why you weren’t happy about this and why you prefer the old school way of doing things. I love that too, my favourite FPS game (so far, I have ordered Quake 1-3 on steam but can’t play them Rn!) is Ultimate Doom, but my second favourite is a tossup between halo 1-2. Both styles have strengths and weaknesses. In old school FPS games, it is gratifying as all hell when you circle strafe around a large group of enemies and kill them all, but it is also really gratifying doing the same in regenerating health, slower paced games. Seeing as technically you have infinite health, but in the short term you have less health, so it is immensely satisfying when you enter a room of bad guys and kill them all without dying as well. I dunno, pros and cons man

[@TehObLiVioUs]

Now whenever I see enemies in the distance in a FPS game, I'M LIKE YESSSS, MEATHOOK!!!! then realize I'm playing the wrong game ):

[@TaimatCR]

Not gonna lie, as much as I love halo, I miss the old frantic pace of arena shooters, damn you fortnite for killing the revival of unreal tournament and overwatch for causing quake champions to have abilities

[@gorogoro7384]

OW is a bad game imo.

[@doommaker4000]

Quake Champions is pretty good. Otherwise they would have to make Quake Live... Oh, it's dead cause new players stopped coming?

[@nickporter4279]

Not even just the arena shooters (which we still have - although I guess Apex Legends and Overwatch aren't as fast as UT/Q3) - what's totally missing is that arena combat/movement system in a *single-player* campaign-driven game. There is no modern equivalent of Unreal, Half-Life, Quake... except *maybe* Doom 2016/Eternal.

[@Junya01]

What are your thoughts on tf2? 12v12 games on payload, last point, get pretty frantic for me

[@gorogoro7384]

@@Junya01 Tf2 is my favorite class based shooter

[@businesserinokripparino404]

I am really interested to see what the act man thinks about this video

[@underthemayo]

I'd love to know too. I love his channel. And it's not like I hate halo or think it's a series. I get why its loved and why it's important. This video is more about capturing why myself and others felt this way when it came out. ActMan's thoughts would be great.

[@Spartan-ng6sx]

@@underthemayo I disagree with you opinion but good video but I think halo saved the FPS industry

[@lordtachanka7229]

@@Spartan-ng6sx are you trolling are are you just stupid

[@tomturtl]

@@Spartan-ng6sx alternatively, you could watch the video.

[@Spartan-ng6sx]

@@tomturtl I did I thought all of his points were completely biased bs because he didn’t like it

[@ArtHollow]

As a Halo fan but a new fan of your content, I went into this VERY skeptically. I'm glad the video ended up being high quality. My only real criticism with this video is that Halo:CE was not a cover shooter (to my knowledge). Thank you for bringing this new perspective to my attention, man. As someone who adores Halo, it's really easy for me to get stuck in an echo-chamber of Halo positivity and love. Your experience with the effect that Halo had on the shooter genre is fascinating, and I appreciate your unfamiliar perspective on things; especially since you're not a big fan of Halo. And to be honest, while I love Halo and what it brought to the gaming landscape, I have to agree that the near-stagnation caused by the industry trying endlessly to take inspiration from Halo meant that a lot of shooters ended up playing similarly to Halo or Call of Duty. Less variety is always bad to me, even if I'm a fan of the things causing the lacking variety. I can see why the resurgence of DOOM has brought you so much joy after hearing about your experience with the rise of Halo. Nice video, man. You took a massive risk with that title though.

[@morty2chipking656]

Fun fact, you never actually have to reload in halo ce You just hit the reload button twice and swap weapons and boom, when you switch back it’s auto reloaded. I do get ur point tho, I personally love both doom 2016 and halo

[@LP-PADICIA]

*Under The Mayo uploads a video entitled "Halo Ruined First Person Shooters"* Mission Objective: *SURVIVE*

[@FBWalshyFTW]

As someone who has been playing Halo for 15 years and (obviously) loves Halo, this is a really well-made video and I personally think it's spot on. However, I want to add some context on the Halo multiplayer in particular that I hope others watching the video find useful. For Halo 1 and 2 in particular, the games were *much* faster than you would originally think due to the extremely high technical ceiling for these games. The famous TSK (three shot kill) in Halo 1 with the primary weapon (the pistol) is extremely fast and you got around the inherent slowness with reloading and close-quarters combat with glitches like the backpack reload and BLB (grenade - beatdown - grenade). The sniper of course was also a 1 shot kill that felt smooth and fired quickly. Movement felt smooth overall but did feel stilted when jumping. There were some tricks (grenade jumps, OS + rocket jumps, etc) to make movement faster that also increased the skill gap. For Halo 2, things got even crazier. The auto-aim in that game was so ridiculous that it wasn't hard for anyone to put together a relatively quick kill, but if you got good at reticule positioning, general reaction time, and map understanding, you would be unstoppable with the sniper in particular due to quickscoping. And then there were so many button glitches to make things even faster. YY (double switch which acted as a ubiquitous end lag canceling mechanism) and grenade reloading (off-host, which is most of the time) made reloading feel lightning quick. BYYB, BXB, BXR, RRBX for near instant kills close up. RRX (double shot) to make the BR almost a 2 shot kill when combined with YY. Crouch jumping felt really smooth and powerful as it unlocked so many locations around the maps (Ring 3 on Sanctuary, Pink 3 on Midship, shortcut jump on Lockout, etc). The button glitches all had pretty tight execution windows and they, combined with all the other wonderful aspects of Halo 2, made Halo 2 an amazing fast-paced competitive shooter with a sky-high skill ceiling. Unfortunately, Halo and the rest of the industry moved away from the speed of the first 2 games (who can blame the devs, a lot of this was on accident), so I've been getting more and more jaded about Halo and the shooter genre in general since Halo 3. But in the end, even the best Halos can't compete with the original PC shooters in terms of fluidity and speed - There's no denying that. Anyways, thanks for the video - I can tell a lot of effort was put into it and it's just really good. :)

[@donovan6320]

I think the main thing is the 2 weapon limit and the slow player speed Both of which cannot really be worked around.

[@doritoscoolranch738]

Thanks for the essay! A+

[@holysparkbatman]

I’ve been watching your content for so long I’ve went through entire life periods.

[@Dean123123100]

Aaaand BXR

[@ClassMRule]

@@donovan6320 i dont consider Halo to actually be all that slow in reality, sure its not "Fast" like Doom, but just because its not Fast doesnt mean its Slow. Now you can say comparatively its Slower, but again this is relative to what its being compared to.

[@drob4812]

Will you ever make a video on battle royales or multiplayer games in general? 18:06

[@underthemayo]

Can't bring myself to dive down that hole.

[@theoldspiceguy7977]

Titanfall 2 which coincidentally also came out in 2016 managed to combine trends of console shooters ie: two weapon limit, regenerating health with the fast paced flow and movement of arena shooters like quake or unreal tournament with how you can double jump, wall run, powerslide, air strafe, pull yourself up ledges. Plus calling in mechs.

[@sorridusnakerru]

"Doom doesn't reload." You made doom 3 feel sad 😞

[@andmillions]

@Michal Litecký I loved it personally. It's not perfect but it does action horror well.

[@voaihieuvotrungthuan934]

Well doom 3 has done great at its job as a horror fps game

[@donovan6320]

@Michal Litecký Doom 3 didn't suck. Doom 3 just wasn't Doom. Give it a different story and a different name and it would have been completely different in its reception.

[@matt0198922]

I also kinda get the feeling that the original doom games didn't have reloading due to how young the genre was, rather than it being a tactical, purposeful exclusion by the devs for gameplay reasons.

[@beniscurious6762]

I think 3 is alright it's just not like the original dooms it's a solid game in my opinion

[@ChezzyKnytt]

"Everytime I emptied my clip and had to reload, it's like the game was saying stop having fun now and wait a few seconds" What.

[@cesarchavez922]

Yeah, because in real life weapons don't need to reload.

[@ChezzyKnytt]

@Low Tier BBCFactory Fully agree. Reloads can be super fun and add to the strategy of a game. In Halo, having a point where you're incentivised to switch weapon or charge at an enemy to melee them because your clip ran out is good. On the flip side, Doom having no reloads plays into the gameplay style. The strategy in that game is learning how to keep your guns stocked with ammo so you can keep putting out as much damage as possible. Both fun, very different games.

[@KaptainKommissar]

It's almost like you don't understand his points

[@ChezzyKnytt]

@@KaptainKommissar I understand his points fine, especially because I'm a huge fan of the kinds of games he's talking about. I specifically think that saying "reloading means waiting till I can have fun again" is batshit insane. Please explain what I missed.

[@bryce7344]

@@cesarchavez922 Because video game guns don’t need to reload* Video games are not real life and shouldnt strive to be realistic most of the time

[@TBA968]

`15:03 This take is confusing to me since there are many elements of older shooter games in the first two Bioshock games i.e. Med kit oriented health, an unlimited arsenal, large expansive levels more akin to doom or quake, little emphasis on iron sights (i never used them very much in my playthroughs at least) it was Infinite where they introduced the two weapon limit, more limited levels, greater emphasis on iron sights and a regenerating shield.

[@lucaspanto1442]

When a 12 year-old block game has better combat than modern shooters

[@KylePhantomK94]

You misspelled Call of Duty.

[@tokyosecuritycomitteeemplo9135]

Yeah, it's "Cale uf dooty".

[@CannibalSodom]

No, even call of duty has better gameplay than halo in my opinion. It's not my type of game, but I can stand playing it for more than 15 minutes, unlike halo 3, which is literally the worst shooter I have played. This is all my opinion by the way.

[@slcc5005]

In my opinion halo moved the industry forward just as much as doom but in a completely different way. If movies were video games doom would’ve been the first movie with sound but halo would’ve been the first movie in color, two major milestones just done in two completely different ways

[@najdatmz]

Wow that was a great analogy holy shit

[@Grendead22]

I love videos like this, seeing some of my favorite games looked at through a different set of lenses

[@musictorin]

I disagree with your statements about how you should be able to carry multiple weapons and no reloading in Halo. You know how some older games have plots like "It's the distant year of 2003, and humanity has colonized the entire galaxy", but in 2003 it's not that big of a leap? Halo takes 500 years in the future, but still tries to feel modern, which is why I think having reloads and limited space for guns makes sense. The reloading is in place so that you can't just spam your gun, and encourages you to use it more tactically, like pacing your shots. I think it's like another "resource" to manage, which is apart of Halo's combat flow. Another part of halo's combat puzzle is picking the right guns for the right situation, and using the environment around you to win fights, which I think explains only being able to have 2 weapons at a time (it's also more realistic). If you really hate reloading that much, then use a plasma based weapon. They'll overheat if you fire them for too long, but if you pace your shots you won't have to sit through a vent animation. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though, and I can understand why you think this way. Great video

[@underthemayo]

I do not think you should be able to carry multiple weapons with no reloading in Halo. Then Halo wouldn't be Halo. What sucked is that it proved such a successful formula for console shooters that so many shooters had to be just like that. For like 2 generations. I don't want Halo to change just because I don't like it. It just sucked seeing everything be slow, limited arsenal, reloading, and recharging health.

[@Tonybc99]

@@underthemayo having to reload, so scary

[@DarklordKermit77]

@@Tonybc99 when you ignore a comment and go straight to blindly setting up a strawman

[@Tonybc99]

@@DarklordKermit77 0OOooOooo having to cover and use your brain! Scarryyyyy

[@DarklordKermit77]

@@Tonybc99 you did the same thing again

[@kittenmittenkitten]

I have a feeling you'd find Marathon a really interesting missing link here. Reloading, story/objective based level design, checkpoints, but naturally a huge Doom influence with health being an even bigger rarity.

[@piggyharris7988]

I mean I like both doom and halo. Fast paced is great and all but sometimes sitting back and playing something slower is pretty fun. I just generally enjoy first person shooters as a whole, regardless of speed

[@badgasaurus4211]

Halo is really tactical on legendary (mainly CE and 2) and you have to make tough choices about encounters its great.

[@benjiii3407]

Doom eternal and halo 3 👌🏾

[@mythhead2688]

@@benjiii3407 Man of culture 💪

[@perrytran9504]

@@badgasaurus4211 2 on legendary just isn't fun, and 2 is probably my favorite of the classic games. You die in 7 plasma bolts, get oneshot by the (many) jackal snipers, and the noob combo is so good and everything else so underpowered your playstyle becomes extremely restricted.

[@emin166]

I am a doom and halo fan at the same time lol

[@josethezombie]

Dude really brought his whole computer to a halo lan party.

[@aaramroete7030]

Like you said, some features may have been introduced earlier in other games. Bungie who made Halo had earlier released Oni where a limited weapon carriage was one of the mechanics, on the other hand Konoko had great hand to hand combat skills and martial arts tricks to compensate...

[@johnnoswithy6316]

Dude, you couldn’t have said that any better, I’m a hardcore halo fan myself and halfway through the vid my fanboy blood was boiling a little, but somehow you got your point across and I understand, subbed Absolute legend

[@MrBigmanhimself]

What made Halo so damn good was its sandbox. Which future games that tried to be like Halo failed at understanding. It wasn't halo's fault for revolutionizing the console shooter, but more of the developers of said clones and such that did not replicate what made halo so goddamn good. Which in my opinion was the sandbox, and the enemies that big man chief fought.

[@jakinluk2513]

I'm honestly mostly fine with reloading. Looks pretty cool tbh. The mechanics i have an issue with are a focus on recharging shield, the speed, and the really low weapon limit.

[@Mugetsu2021]

Man that title.. you know what you were doing, anyway this was an amazing video, seeing your POV, it’s kind of, I don’t know, the 18 minute Mark summed it up, how I’m feeling about the current wave of gaming, battle royale/greed/halo being meh the past 10 years and you saying you went through it? You nailed it. This video made me rethink about some stuff

[@olucaspc]

and then The Halo Killer was Halo itself.. (in Palpatines voice) Ironic..

[@Junya01]

As someone who’s put in 1500 hours into TF2, I kinda felt the way you did about HALO in regards to Overwatch - the shift from CLASS-based shooter to HERO-based shooter, with fancy abilities you can do with a press of a button. Imo, abilities dumbed down the potential of hero shooters by restricting the mechanics with cooldowns. But now since OW blew up the genre, all hero fps games follow suit. I am not a fan of pressing a button to do something and having to wait an arbitrary amount of time to press that button again. It makes no sense Genji can reflect with his sword but then not pull it out again after, or how Winston has to wait a certain amount of seconds to leap again, or Ana having an unlimited amount of sleep darts but can only use it once every x seconds. Waiting on cooldowns, as opposed to actively filling up a bar to use something powerful (Uber, Soldier’s banners, scout’s bonk, pyro’s phlog crits) just ain’t that engaging for me. With the latter, it forces you to engage with the game instead of passively waiting when on cooldown, and rewards the player for doing well. Compare hero shooters to tf2, and how the latter is balanced around the ammo mechanic (something that OW needed to not be so spammy imo) - Pyro can airblast/reflect projectiles unlimited times, but spamming it leaves u vulnerable and eats ur ammo away. Soldier can rocketjump at any given time to truly zoom in and out of battle, no need to wait for a cooldown just to do ONE jump. It’s balanced by health getting splashed from each rocket, and in the case of the Gunboats secondary, which reduces splash damage immensely, being super mobile comes at the cost of a secondary shotgun. Demo can also stickyjump, which is more mobile but costs greater health. Spy can disguise at ANY time, turn invisible at ANY time, and can OHKO the enemy from behind at any given time. No need to wait for some dumb timer to dictate what u can do, the player controls the flow of his gameplay. That’s not even mentioning the deep movement mechanics for all the classes, scout with his double jump, pyro with flare jumping/reflect jumping and switching to the powerjack for extra speed, Soldier/demo and rocket/stickyjumping, demoknight with trimping, *heavy has nothing*, Engineer with sentry jumping with the wrangler to get to different spots, Engineer with the Eureka effect to teleport instantly at the press of a button, Medic constantly trying to surf damage to add mobility and lessen splash damage, *sniper same as medic but to less effect*, and the Spy with a whole subset of Trickstabs and movement techniques to expose the back of an enemy - seriously, the things spies can do after hours of mastering their movement is insane - and that’s not even including how you can use your guns alongisde your movement to kill. My point being, there’s a reason why Tf2 is still being played by thousands of people everyday, 13 years later - there’s no other game like it. It’s truly one of a kind, from the culture to the mechanics and the characters and unique weapons and taunts and situations that arise from playing. I will love this game till I die, but I’m just kinda disappointed that the potential Overwatch had didn’t really come to fruition in the way I thought it would. Thanks for the vid Mayo, you a real one.

[@thataberranthalo8032]

this isn't a video about TF2 or overwatch, ur comment is irrelevant

[@MK-yz2pr]

I think you really explained everything very well. I was a huge Halo fan. And I never played original PC shooters, so I should be on the console fps camp. I was this guy, who always said "You can play FPS on consoles. FPS on consoles are great, stfu gtfo.". Then I played Doom 2016 on PC.substantive I'm not that guy anymore. And I get you. I can't tell if you're right or not, because I never played that many FPS games. But I do understand you. Love this video. Very substantive material. Oh, and Doom Eternal with both DLCs on PC was the best shooting experience I had I think ever!