MLM COMPANIES SEINT AND RODAN + FIELDS ARE SHUTTING DOWN, partially…

[@HannahAlonzo]

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[@jenrt927]

I’ve been using my skin care for nearly a year and not seeing the results I want, very excited to look into this brand. It’s very interesting! Thanks for sharing.

[@GioVanKlooster]

It doesn't show me the bottle only a tote bag 😢

[@atTHEdishwasher]

@@GioVanKlooster same here

[@HannahAlonzo]

@@GioVanKlooster I let the brand know, it should be fixed in the next 5 mins if it’s not already! ❤

[@HannahAlonzo]

@@atTHEdishwasher It is fixed now! 😊

[@HolldollMcG]

How ironic that so many huns say "this is exactly like having an Amazon affiliate" but when their company moves to actual affiliate marketing, they have a meltdown. Do not be fooled by MLMers saying it's just affiliate marketing. It is not, it is a pyramid scheme.

[@catalinadiaz8911]

Facts ❤ it's ridiculous

[@rachelrose1695]

FACTS

[@djs2182]

This is such a good point.

[@kms567]

Omg. I never thought about this. You're right

[@TheSharna23]

Fantastic point!!

[@SadScientist143]

The "a 9-5 can fire and replace you" argument is now bitting them in the butt

[@j.g.3293]

As long as you do just above bare minimum and don’t piss off anyone higher up, you’re unlikely to ever get fired

[@Renata_TC]

​@@j.g.3293....and there is a chance that you will meet honest people and make JUST A FEW REAL friends on the eay ❤

[@ladycaticorn2950]

9-5s have layoffs, but in my experience, it’s very stable if you do your work and don’t piss people off. Also, we get 401ks and health insurance, which the huns don’t lol. And a lot of 9-5s will pay you severance if you get laid off. None of the huns are getting that.

[@emilyau8023]

Honestly it's karma

[@Listening_Books12345]

​@@j.g.3293or unless the company is doing mass lay offs in order to increase profits. We can't pretend like that doesn't happen to ppl.

[@roeliethegoat]

Hun: No, we are not a pyramid scheme. You know why? Because there are prrrroduuuctsss. MLM: takes away the recruiting. Hun: Wait. What? Only products?!

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

Bingo!

[@jenniferziegenfuss3719]

Hannah may feel bad, but I don't. These huns are the top pyramid earners and thus the most parasitic of all the huns duping people into thinking anyone can be like them. Naive new huns I feel bad for because they don't know it's a pyramid scheme when they fail to make money above minimum wage from selling products (then get screamed at for not trying hard enough when they want to leave). But these high up huns ABSOLUTELY DO know it's nothing but a house of cards built on a pyramid and a downline: money is only made by recruiting humans and NOT the products. So them losing that recruitment payment.... I'm not crying about it. 'Grats BossBabes, duping people got ya this FAFO moment. Karma is a biatch.

[@emilyau8023]

Just get a real sales job! My gawd. And then they move to scam at a different company.

[@Blooderfly17]

It's not a pyramid it's a triangle ⚠️

[@azmike3572]

A Pyramid scheme? Well then, Walk Like an Egyptian!

[@LauraFunFunFloweries]

It's odd to set up a camera on your bed, climb back into bed, cry, pretend to wake up crying/troubled sleep for the camera, then reset up your camera in the bathroom, kitchen, etc, & continue crying, while, "going about your privilaged giant boss babe day," then finally reset up your camera, & explain the theatrics. Whoooooo, run-on sentence

[@MultiLevelMary]

I appreciate your comment. I remain fascinated by the decision to intentionally stage, film and edit their grief, and then upload this content to social media. Like Hannah asks, would this person engage in this behavior if they were not in an MLM?

[@ArielleShults-ro8ie]

I was thinking this on that part too 😂 🤦‍♀️

[@jdjd962]

U must be a dad challenge podcast watcher

[@HeleneLogan]

😂😂😂

[@michellelynngarceau3851]

How strange that all these “business owners “ weren’t a part of this pivotal decision for their companies… 🤔🤷🏻‍♀️

[@NattysCrafts]

😂😂😂

[@aregli]

Ugh! People who make a living with MLM are just yuck!

[@goldsilvertravel]

Yeah, funny that the directors and actual business owners just don't care.

[@danny8747]

im so confused can someone explain? i was never a 2ne1 fan

[@BobbiGail]

To be fair, they Re totally told they own their own business and just cutting out the middle man, like Rite Aid or Sephardic. They are told they are having business meetings at 6am (where they are coached to do facebook lives as their marketing). On the surface, they feel like they are making decisions and in control of their own business! A little time and a little digging will shine the full moon light onto what is true and real... if they WANT to see it.❤❤

[@Lizzypoohxo]

Crying outside at 1:33 am because you found out something bad happened, ok, ive been there. Crying outside at 1:33am because you cant sleep because of the fact that you can't take advantage of others is WILD!

[@SweetlyHome]

And likely weren't filming yourself either.

[@TheRonnieaj]

You have 133 likes, and I feel compelled to keep it there, but SO TRUE!!

[@franciscodanconia4324]

Setting up a camera and then filming yourself crying outside at 1:33 am...... I've never been there.

[@seanhaugh4232]

These performative grief reaction videos are killing me. "I'm so grateful there's another scam I can quickly pivot into"

[@kerry8461]

I know!!! I was imagining myself posting a video of myself crying when I got laid off. 🤮

[@michellelynngarceau3851]

And all the transition stories are the same: I stumbled across this other opportunity a little while ago and felt so drawn to it but I didn’t want to leave my team but now I know this is where I belong! And even though I just transferred to this new business 10 minutes ago, I’m so grateful to be a part of something I align with and believe in so deeply! 🤪

[@brooke5258]

​@@michellelynngarceau3851 accurate

[@brooke5258]

I'm waiting for the Olive Tree video bc so many huns have gone there.

[@Amarieethepriest]

Its hilarious that they expect us to feel bad for them not being able to scam others. Like, come on.

[@jessgilbert5586]

The “I’m getting paid to share a product I love!” Girlies are pretty upset that that is now true lol

[@Envy.Opal.]

It's really hard to feel pity for these higher up MLMers when you realize how much they've hurt, exploited, and scammed people beneath them. I am so sorry they lost their job, but they have literally scammed 100's of other people. They always said that it's not about recruiting, but this 100% shows that it is. Edit: I appreciate deeply how kind and understanding you are. It is refreshing to see kindness extended to those you disagree with. Even when I have a hard time extending that same sympathy and kindness. Thank you for the reminder of being kind.

[@SoCalJellybean]

Yep! Especially when they’ve been told FOR YEARS that the MLM model is harmful, but they only ever respond by calling us “haters” instead of listening to the truth! Now you want me to feel sorry for y’all, because you were inevitably bitten back?! Nope; I actually love this for you! 👏🏻

[@Loca_216]

💯 they are all scammers. Period. Its sickening. Just looking at their beautiful homes, beautifully furnished makes me sick, knowing exactly how they got it.

[@kikiTHEalien]

They are not losing their job. These 2 companies are not removing the independent sales associates branch like one other brand did. These 2 companies are solely removing the scammy aspect of their compensation plan.

[@uutdiegodzilla3821]

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[@kierstinl3787]

exactly my thoughts. I don't have sympathy for scammers over the phone, and I don't have sympathy for those who steal families and people's money with promises of fake friendship and business. To be honest, they can still sell the product and have their 1099 contractor job, so they can still make money. That's even better than those who are terminated or letgo due to whatever reasons.

[@Alyse_bell]

The fact that always say “it’s about the products and not about recruiting” and when the company actually switches to that model they freak out. It’s almost as if they have been lying this whole time 🤔

[@deborahcombs1631]

And what happened to "it works if you work it"? I mean, can't they just, you know, work it? 🤷‍♂

[@projectwholechild3368]

LOOOL

[@dianacryer]

I must be a jerk because I’m just not getting feelings.

[@IndigoYouTube]

Their jobs aren’t gone, they just have to sell product and not sell a job

[@kristinabava8718]

Exactly... which almost seems easier. It really isn't the end of the world. People get laid off actual jobs. You have to get up l, refocus, and plan what the next step is. They can still post and still make money

[@Alyse_bell]

From what I have heard, the make-up is shit. Might be harder to sell crappy products

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

​@@Alyse_bell But their hearts are so aligned with the product and it sells itself!

[@ennytiss5674]

Looks more like a real sales job now 😂

[@elisabethb.131]

The secret is, they don't make sh*t from sales because the market is EXTREMELY over saturated. And commissions from sales are way less than recruitment bonuses plus getting a percentage of the sales that the people 'below you' make.

[@vulgaritar48]

Imagine being a sales person and being mad the only way you can make income is by selling product!

[@franciscodanconia4324]

The weren't selling product, they were selling the idea of selling product.

[@natmarie8523]

They’re not salespeople- they’re recruiters

[@NotMykl]

@@franciscodanconia4324 True but they claimed they were saleswomen when they were recruiting. They screamed they were selling while whispering "come sell for me".

[@hannahbanana84237]

I absolutely adore when this happens not because people are scared for their livelihoods, but because it truly exposes that they’ve been speaking out of the both sides of their mouths the entire time. If you take away recruiting, you make little to no money, therefore recruiting is how you make money, therefore pyramid scheme.

[@thefiercesocialsociety]

I actually made great money selling the product. The team was purely a bonus.

[@justanotherjessica]

@@thefiercesocialsociety "made" so you quit? If you "made" so much money, why would you quit? Lie better babe.

[@FireVixen164]

​@thefiercesocialsociety Great, I look forward to you continuing to have success now you're not in an MLM!

[@thefiercesocialsociety]

@@justanotherjessica but I didn't quit lol I still sell the product because I like it. Do your research babe.

[@Troubled_waters]

@@thefiercesocialsociety I’m sure your 100 subscriber fan base makes you tons of money babe lmao

[@Lillybee223]

As a young mom I was sucked into mlms. I legit made zero money no matter how much I sold and I hated absolutely hated the tactics they tried to push to get people to buy and or join. As I got older I learned more about these businesses and woke up. Thanks god I’m out of that crap.

[@yourdadhasadogfilter2505]

But how can they be blindsided? This is their business. They're their own bosses

[@Deangirl86]

😂

[@chelsye4929]

It’s also terrible because a main argument is always to demonize corporate/9-5 jobs because they can fire you at anytime because they don’t care about you. But their mlm is more stable because “you aren’t an employee. You can’t get fired, you work for yourself” okay well what now, Brenda?

[@DarknessPrincess999]

The secret ingredient is called ✨stupidity✨

[@SuperSummer58]

They changed how their payments are calculated

[@cassidyfromtexas4324]

When I have been grief stricken, completely devastated, down and out, the last thing on my mind would be perfect camera positioning, let alone carrying a camera around to “document” my grief. I don’t get it

[@stinesfloy]

I know right. Sure there are many varied ways to react but usually most reactions does not contain a linear thought prosess. Or preplanning. Unless one counts denail but thats a different kind of beast. Personally I am the wash and scrub things until my hands bleed. No way I could ever stop myself enough to put of a camera and then start again.

[@reid3031]

Seriously. When I was grieving actual losses, I actually threatened someone who tried to take a video of me.

[@hiamanda]

Oh my. Not only is the income cut tough but these reps who built a large team have to realize that they have essentially onboarded their own competition 😬😬 yikesssss

[@annea.4173]

"They have essentially onboarded their own competition." YES! So well said. I've heard several anti-MLM content creators ask over and over, "Why would you want to recruit more people to sell the same products as you? You're just narrowing your own customer pool."

[@llovley]

You make an excellent point!!

[@djs2182]

Such a good point

[@Ssmm321]

This has always confused me to the core. This was from almost a decade back but one of my classmates in Uni tried "recruiting" some salespeople to sell Mary Kay makeup. Remember, MLM's were not exposed in the way they are now because YT wasn't as popular. The classmates "recruit" then started jumping into the same group ( us) to sell stuff and hers sold more somehow coz she was more popular. Omg the rage my classmate had ..like girl what did you expect? You recruited a better competitor so maybe become an HR instead of going into sales and marketing lol

[@Myhyperfocusedhobbies]

I absolutely cackled reading that! Oh my god how true!

[@GaiaCarney]

As an MLM survivor, I find the term ‘business opportunity’ _EXTREMELY_ triggering 😓

[@clpr2023]

Serious question, did you not know about mlm companies before you joined?

[@Croissantsss]

“Mentorship is going away :(((” so you can’t support other women unless you’re making money off them?? 🤨

[@theEumenides]

I thought the exact same thing. If they're really as close with these women as they say, why won't those bonds survive the company restructuring?

[@SweetlyHome]

This right here. Bingo!

[@wheredowegowhenwesleep]

It’s cause they use mentorship as a pseudonym for recruiting which btw can we talk about how tarnished the term “mentoring” is these days?! Manipulative people like these have co-opted it 😒

[@TheCalucita]

Right?! Like community colleges, shelters, boys and girls clubs aren't always looking for dedicated volunteers 🤔 But then they'd have no grifting allowed 😢 Funny enough, by being volunteers, most mlmers may make more money than in the mlm 🫣 cuz they don't have spend money to buy product to stay in 🫣

[@Hawkmoon1981]

Yeah, that one got me "Mentorship and leadership and pouring into incredible women has become like part of my soul" - so why can you only do that under an MLM structure? 🤔

[@TaylorX3]

It's like watching roaches scurrying when the lights come on.

[@kumozumo]

best comment fr

[@kimberlyault9242]

OMG that is perfect! 😂

[@paisley1053]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@annea.4173]

Hannah, you have so much more empathy for these folks than I do. The first video was so performative and fake, even with the face blurred. First of all, how many cameras does she have in her house? We saw angles from her office, her patio, her bedroom and her bathroom. So either her entire life is on film at all times, or she moved her camera around the house with her to get those shots. Set up the cameras, started recording, got into bed, had a little cry, got back up, moved the camera to the bathroom, started recording, left the bathroom just to walk back in all Sad Face.... I just can't.

[@rachelkamerer9279]

Same! I'm an empathetic person, but that goes out the window for these people. To top it off, in her large, fancy home, perfectly landscaped yard, etc. We know who paid for those things, and it wasn't her. It's the people below her who are living paycheck to paycheck and losing money. So gross!

[@HappyHyperHuggieNini]

I just...I don't feel bad for the first person. She said "The product is still great", then you should be fine, right? No? Then I guess that's not how you made money. Honestly, it reminds me of my mom - doing stuff for attention and pity, so that's probably why I'm just so blase about it. Is that what she's doing? I don't know, but I don't feel like trying to care.

[@elif6908]

++++

[@yanak7159]

I thought the same thing! 😂 fake crying and pretending, or trying to recreate it. So bizarre. Have your private moment being upset; you don’t have to announce it to the whole internet.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

​@@rachelkamerer9279 I hate to say this, but actually, it's more likely to have been her husband who bought all of that. There is a sliver of a chance her downline landed her that wealth but usually, these women have well-paid husbands.

[@mmmilagro]

„I can‘t imagine not leading, not mentoring, not pouring into women“ - first of all: 🤢 and second: don‘t you mean, exploiting women for your own gain 🙄 I struggle to feel sorry for these huns tbh.

[@liv97497]

OF COURSE "mentoring" is her calling, it's just making money off of other people's work. That's much easier than actually having to try and sell shitty product..

[@moonbeam0099]

Omg the scammers filming themselves crying is the most disingenuous thing ever. 😂

[@francinejones2524]

Perhaps they’re hoping people will feel sorry for them and throw money at them 😂

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

I'm in the process of decorating my spare bedroom that I use as an office and as I'd been inspired by many KZbin videos, I thought about filming my own office transformation. In the end, as I have no desire to really do KZbin and don't want to risk my image being online, I chose not to film it. I also didn't want to go through the logistics of planning where to place the camera while working. One of the items was a large arm chair and I just set it up tonight on my own. Let me tell you: it was NOT a flattering process 😂. I was sweaty, and cussing and struggling without another set of hands. I conquered that damn chair, though, and am sitting in it right now (the "Beautiful" boucle chair from Drew Berrymore's line with Walmart in sage green, if curious. I wanted the Neva daybed chair from Six Penny but I ain't got Six Penny pennies 😂). Building furniture is already hellish, I now see I would hate also having to film it, to act a certain way, to stage shots, and pretty much be unnatural. And that's still way more respectable than being in an MLM or crying over one dissolving, lol. So yes, I'm also amazed that they would real ass stage a "grief" video over the collapse of an MLM, go through all of the planning, think up and write out captions, edit it, and upload it like we don't see through how fake it is 😅

[@klaytonalexandermatthews2047]

​@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValleyhey, great job with that furniture! It's wild how difficult it is without someone else to simply hold a bar or a panel while you do step number 293 of the confusing instructions! And yeah, it makes you wonder what type of person would WANT to set up and film that, right? It feels so far from myself that I don't know what else to do other than shake my head

[@Renata_TC]

​@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley❤

[@bEverCurious]

I give them the same level of empathy they showed to people who decided to quit their down lines when they ghosted them.

[@Bab3Bat3]

This

[@Pippa87]

Oooooo: this will get me through an abs workout. Fuelled with the despair of a thousand boss babes.

[@Stopstupidpeople2024andbeyond]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Mama_Bear524]

Same! At the gym 😂

[@anij80]

😂😂

[@Rando911]

I love working out to Hannah and CC Suarez videos-fueled by the AUDACITY of huns!

[@RubyOnixx]

Abs in your free time is 100% gains

[@larissatom6910]

I find it hard to feel badly for these women when they claim “pouring into women,” or “ leaning into people,” is why they participate in these ventures.

[@DarkFire1536]

Absolutely

[@NotMykl]

"Pouring into.." is so disgusting. Eww.

[@Thecravingsstudio]

Why would all of these mlm bosses decide to close down their own businesses at the same time??? 🤭

[@Deangirl86]

😂😂

[@MahasheS]

😂😂😂

[@wheredowegowhenwesleep]

💀

[@francinejones2524]

Hehehehehehe 😂 Excellent comment!

[@jimin8006]

😂😂😂😂 iconic timing

[@jeccalou9894]

But they're not losing their income overnight. Seint has given 2 months notice, and R&F has given about 6 weeks. Not to mention that 93% of them don't even make enough in 1 year to cover rent, and the ones making a million bucks a year should have put most of that in savings instead of blowing through it. And I have no sympathy for people whose job is to take advantage of others. If these women actually want to lead and mentor other women, they can become a social worker at a women's shelter or something similar. But they don't because they don't actually give a crap.

[@jworth7203]

But they have to spend to show off the lifestyle to convince all the “girlies” that they too can be a “boss babe.” Cue gagging emoji!

[@mtngrl5859]

Not even comparable. To be a social worker requires a master degree, so its not something that a woman can do in her part time to be financially independent. Social workers are paid through our taxes, buying makeup is a personal choice. The lure of these products are that its an entry level opportunity to the beauty industry.

[@NotMykl]

@@mtngrl5859 No one in an MLM thinks they are actually in the beauty industry. They aren't designing products nor even selling them.

[@deborahcombs1631]

@@jworth7203 OMG we totally need a gagging emoji!!

[@jenrt927]

Side note: if you like the idea of the Seint palette, Salt New York also has refills and a magnetic palette and the quality is 👌🏻 and is NOT a MLM

[@HannahAlonzo]

Oooh good to know!

[@annetteellis2788]

Thank you! The palette idea is great, whatever the quality of the makeup. It seems obvious to me because it’s really common for watercolors, but it doesn’t seem to have made it very far in the makeup industry.

[@jenrt927]

@@annetteellis2788I love it! My only con is the biggest palette is only a quad but I’m able to have my face makeup in the palette minus my highlight but still great for travel or to throw in my bag.

[@kayb1656]

MOB beauty has a similar concept

[@ThexBlackxKitty]

Inglot and Art Deco too. At least back in the day they did - haven't bought new makeup in ages.

[@babykermie]

very ironic that they would start panicking at the idea of only making money off of their sales, when according to them, that’s what they’ve been doing all along 🤭

[@UlshaRS]

Something tells me the FTC sent out a whole bunch of letters with ominous deadlines and more of these shifts or shut downs are coming.

[@leeanntedrow5923]

Praying for BeachBody next 🙏🏻

[@UlshaRS]

@@leeanntedrow5923 or Bodi or whatever name they rebranded to this quarter trying avoid rapidly advancing consequences🤣

[@ambermariestewart]

Ooh, yeah, maybe there's more funding for others scam takedowns now that labor freed up from Trump's 🤞

[@tarbhnathrac]

Crossing fingers ...

[@annea.4173]

Hoping for Plexus next for personal reasons.

[@JL_Pope]

HANNA you NEED to do an influencer insanity video on parents “Unschooling” their kids, with your educational background and being a mother yourself I’m super interested on your take of the situation, love the videos hope to see one on it!!!

[@andcohen12]

Ooooo this would be awesome! I second this. Btw, what's Hannah's education background? Is she a teacher by trade?

[@JL_Pope]

@@andcohen12 she posted it yesterday if you haven’t seen yet she killed it as she always does and it’s by far the best commentary video on unschooling I’ve seen bc I’ve been clung to this topic and how it’s effecting children development

[@honeylis7]

I can give anyone the benefit of the doubt after being sucked into an MLM with good intentions. But these people who see success, then get burned like this, and move immediately to a new MLM, are no longer victims in my eyes. They are now scammers who know exactly what they're doing. (Like Toni VanSchoyck with Monat)

[@lazygardens]

And they are trying to take their old team with them, so they land on top of a ready-made pyramid

[@mael2039]

It's the same old story that happens in a lot of high control groups (cults): some (many) of the perpetrators used to be or are still victims themselves. If you got recruited I to an abusive cult and get abused, but then recruit others and continue the abuse towards others, you become a perpetrator despite starting out as a victim. If you fell victim to a scam but then continue to scam others - you turn into a perpetrator. Even if you're still brainwashed, manipulated, and scammed, you are still a perpetrator it you scam others. That's why many perpetrators in high control groups are victims also, or at least started out that way.

[@projectwholechild3368]

Yea I think the top reps definitely know and that's the point to gaslight the downlines so they don't. Puppeteer and puppets

[@rachelkamerer9279]

"Oh no, now all my downline can potentially make as much money or more than me. No more walking all over them as they make all my money for me." Ugh, so annoying and I don't feel bad for any of them at all as they sit in their big, fancy houses that they got by taking advantage of others who are losing money.

[@jpt610]

The reps upset about the change in business model just proved that it was never about the product but about the pyramid scheme aspect.

[@mrsh287]

It is so telling that EVERY top leader is 🏃🏾‍♀️ to another MLM. It was about making money off recruiting and the front loading from their downlines. It was NEVER about the AMAZING products.

[@HolldollMcG]

Also, further PROOF that these people do not own their own business. If your business structure can be changed without your knowledge or permission, it isn't your business.

[@goldsilvertravel]

Also if you have an upline telling you what to do, it isn't your business.

[@NotMykl]

In a real business they'd be selling more than one company's product too.

[@cinaprncess]

Also one thing to note is that it’s crazy to think that these MLM wraps would continuously state that their company isn’t an MLM that they do affiliate marketing but now that they are actually affiliates they’re crying about that. So clearly your company was never just affiliate marketing.

[@m.teresa.r]

I can't feel bad for these high paying reps when they'll literally take their team to another MLM, automatically get a large bonus and get back to ripping off her downline.

[@mrsh287]

That is exactly what they will do, no doubt.

[@Alyse_bell]

Especially if they are high enough up and have a huge downline, they most likely will be offered a bridge contract. So they will get their team to switch without telling them that they are the one that will benefit the most

[@goldsilvertravel]

I hope not everyone in the downline moves to the new MLM though

[@mooniemoons]

this is the textbook definition of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". with so much anti MLM content available these days, it becomes less and less excusable for people to go into this without doing the basic, minimum research before getting themselves into pyramid schemes.

[@erinbailey4631]

Totally agree about the “pour into women” phrase 🤢 I would hear it at women’s church conferences all the time and it made me feel icky then

[@lauren.13]

Also "loving on each other". WHY

[@aimeedouglas1584]

Yes. It’s really cringey and sanctimonious

[@AmyNorm]

This is the first time I have ever heard this. But I agree let’s leave it behind!

[@MelissaCaskey-wm7zp]

You hear it a lot in mommy content too… “pouring into my kids.” I’ve never been able to put my finger on why I don’t like this phrase but I don’t. And I’m a mommy lol

[@skylarkkralyks4496]

@@lauren.13 to me "loving on" depends on who is saying it. My evangelical aunt who has exuded love my entire life? She's good. In a financial/business context? Get that away from me.

[@kellylr-v7i]

Glad the business is actually going to be about selling PRODUCT and not selling an unachievable dream to an innocent person

[@projectwholechild3368]

Well said

[@cosmos6722]

i typically listen to hannah's videos in the background but whenever i hear a hun say the phrase "pouring into", i come back to the video immediately to see her reaction. it never disappoints

[@HannahAlonzo]

I’m always like 🥴

[@crystal_xxi]

Hahaha same

[@JuliaRoseHabertoes]

The irony of spending years 'building a team' only to have the entire business model change and to realize that you have basically 'poured into' helping others to cannibalize your own potential customer base has got to be such a mind warp. But to spring back within a week with another scheme in the same vein is so so wild. Like, wow, way to commit... to learning absolutely nothing.

[@frauzockinsky]

I wanted to write smth like "Oh the irony when your downline turns into your direct competition." But then I remembered that they already ARE each others direct competition. Uplines just didnt care before, bc they made money of of everybody else down the line in their "team".

[@DracoTriste]

These upline leaders aren’t just losing out on the bonuses from recruiting. They’re flooded with competition for sales- competition they created themselves. Every single person who used to make them money is now a threat to their potential income. I can understand their sense of devastation.

[@lazygardens]

And the more that person made for them in their downline, the stronger a competitor they'll be.

[@deborahcombs1631]

But they'll be okay because "it works if you work it", right? They just really need to want it.

[@melissapetzer3560]

The “everyone is crying” chapter 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@HannahAlonzo]

It was a fitting title, I felt 😂

[@Keeraneedscoffee]

I cannot comprehend how people in other MLM’s don’t see this happening and not realize they are NOT “business owners”. Like truly, how can they not see this??!

[@lazygardens]

Because somehow THEIR company is different.

[@syenite]

How convenient that the second lady was introduced to Olive Tree a few months ago and felt "called" to it. How very convenient.

[@Alyse_bell]

Olive tree seems to be inheriting a whole lot of these MLM Huns. They must be handing out a lot of bridging contracts

[@projectwholechild3368]

✍️ do something scammy but wrap it in spirituality and religion 🤌

[@projectwholechild3368]

Just heard her say the called to it thing and ugh the lies!!! Such bs

[@leahsrichards]

I just cannot find empathy for people who relied on deceiving innocent and desperate women to make money.

[@DL_the_Squid]

YESSSSS! This makes me happy - probably 5-6 years ago I warned my aunt about R+F and heavily recommended that she not begin this "business" venture. She of course ignored me, repeatedly tried to sell me some lash serum for $150 when she KNEW I didn't have that kind of money to waste, and after repeated requests for her to stop trying to sell to me and guilt me and manipulate me I had to cut her out of my life, but it always hurt that it came to that. I hope she realizes now what a mistake she made because I'm confident she never made a cent, and hurt a lot of friends and family members. I wish her the best and hope this can lead to some healing.

[@aida86ms]

Am I a horrible person for not having empathy for the huns that are losing their income and having this "identity crisis"? The way they were generating income is so predatory and they are doing it under the guise of helping and empowering woman. I am so not sorry for them

[@kristinabava8718]

Same, they PREACH about how it's just selling their own products. They can still make money, they just have to actually sell and not prey on the weak now

[@ChrystalVanDusseldorp]

Agree 💯

[@jenniferziegenfuss3719]

No one who doesn't have empathy for these scammers is a bad person nor lacks empathy. These huns are high level scammers. The same type of person who scams old people through phone scams from other countries (Nigerian prince scam). Do NOT feel bad for these people. They are no better than mobsters and other financial criminals.

[@alexcoyg3281]

Can we petition MLM awareness into our School program so that people who don't naturally have the BS detector can have a chance to see what they are getting into.

[@racheldonnell9891]

Homeschool mom here… I’m teaching my kids not to get involved with these scams.

[@alexcoyg3281]

@@racheldonnell9891 👏👏👏 I wish we had more awareness about it,great job!

[@mrsmerily]

cults, mlms and religion (meaning all religions) should be in school taught next to economic.

[@CAxALLDAY]

naw some teachers and parents are in them shits lol. would be really hard to do.

[@NurseEthel]

I think it would still be a great idea to at least teach how MLM'S really work as they seem to be targeting high school graduates and the younger generations.

[@KR-ue1gd]

I have lost jobs before. I was stressed about money, and called my sister to vent a little... and then I polished my resume and started job-hunting. I did not film myself weeping and post it online. It's impossible to take these women seriously.

[@honeylis7]

Hannah I hope you give yourself a big pat on the back for your role in anti-MLM education and the crumbling of these big companies! It's thanks to creators like you that the word has gotten out and spared so many people (especially women!) from financial loss and hardship. THANK YOU!

[@Derek-Adams]

I have followed a woman in the MLM space for several years; I won’t mention her name but she’s fairly well-known (especially her “assistant” Angie). She jumped into MLM with Younique and quickly took off; she’s fairly good at team building. The money was pouring in to the point she was the sole income earner of her family. She is a hot-head though and will leave a company virtually overnight. She’s gone through *numerous* MLM companies and because of her lashing out temper, she’s burned bridges. But here’s the thing: she expects her team and customers to follow her blindly from company to company and, MAN, don’t you dare question her as to why. Hannah’s advice to not let MLM be your sole source of income is spot-on. This woman did let MLM be the sole source of income for her family and the freak-outs we’ve seen her go through are legendary!

[@LacyLola]

They're crying over the fact they can no longer take advantage of people below her. It's gross

[@RooArcher-t3i]

I can't take that video from the R+F rep. She really filmed herself at multiple angles while she's supposedly devastated 💀 like she's really getting out of bed to get a new video angle, and then hopping back in bed to cry 💀💀💀

[@lalakass9041]

I must really be a shitty person because I genuinely don’t feel bad for any of these people

[@MalinenCJ]

Then we can be shitty together. 😁

[@TheSheChef]

ur not a kaka head lol i dont feel bad either

[@audrianafreberg5629]

I agree. They used and made money on the backs of those below them without a second thought, and now they are devastated that those above them are doing the same thing? Not to mention, they got several months notice about this change. People get laid off from legit jobs and are lucky to get 2 weeks notice. Welcome to real life!

[@echo_soldier]

Same. I feel nothing for these people. MLMs are so predatory

[@corrindickerson7368]

Same

[@ginnygin7141]

12:45 did she just turn her depression into a snappy montage of shots where someone else is filming her wandering around using her phone and crying? That was an extensive array of video clips, and i hate imagining the whole contrived process of making that reel

[@atTHEdishwasher]

"pouring into" is so, so gross. I would never hear that phrase in corporate America (It might actually get you sent to HR lol) which just goes to show you this is not the normal job they portray it to be. Makes sense they all just move to another MLM, as I have no idea how a decade in an MLM can transition into the regular workforce. These victim-predators must feel so stuck and lost in these "jobs".

[@seanhaugh4232]

Wait, I have to do actual work instead of leech off the efforts of people below me? Oh no! I do have some sympathy for anyone experiencing sudden income loss but participating in a legitimized scam means it's not if you'll get burned, it's when.

[@ooookkkkkkkkkkk]

Watching them all immediately ditch "their" business that they loooove so much for new companies that they feel "called" to now is grossly hilarious. I hate to say they deserve it, but the scam is gonna scam and now it's their turn to get burned.

[@bmakrides]

As someone who was laid off, this is why you shouldn't work for an MLM. When I was laid off I was able to take my business skills and get another job, these MLM boss babes can't do any of that. They are going to have to hope they get lucky at another MLM and either take their downline with them or scam new women into a new MLM and of course hope they get in early and can springboard up that ladder.

[@mariauga3377]

Exactly! And it’s not always the case, but sometimes you get severance, but not in an MLM.

[@brendashope1558]

You can get also get unemployment benefits to cover some costs until you find work. Not from a MLM

[@j.g.3293]

Or they could swallow their pride and get a normal job

[@manyworldsvideo]

And I didn’t go online and cry a river when I got laid off.

[@ivanaparty85]

My sister in law has been a rep for rodan and fields for somewhere around five years, and she is claiming that the moment she received that email, they stopped sending out owed compensation from the weeks prior

[@PrincessLorie]

Oh, that's unethical! I was a rep for them for about 8 months about 6 years ago. I tried SO hard, but that stuff was so expensive and people just wanted to use Proactiv.

[@libertymedicalcommunicatio4908]

I am the saddest for the downlines who follow their crying leaders to new MLM‘s

[@kikiTHEalien]

I don't agree any decent person would be crying, because they are now "only" earning commission on what they themselves sell. This seems more like they feel humuliated to be equalized to the peasants they've been mooching off of for years.

[@monirami718]

I opened KZbin at the perfect time 👀

[@honeylis7]

me tooooo I was so excited

[@squitten.]

Saaame lmao

[@BlueDoes93]

Same! I love when I get here right away!

[@JamesQMurphy]

Same here!

[@sarahrushton8154]

Same! I am almost done all the MLM videos and I am saaaad as now I will have to wait for new ones

[@geewhizalison3068]

My empathy for these ladies is limited.

[@bhoomiikaaaa]

POV: you've got your dinner ready, open KZbin and this gem pops up❤

[@beultra3083]

Her reaction, fear, crying, identity crisis, etc. is normal and relatable. Setting up a tripod to film it for TikTok is not.

[@annieoddo1475]

Having used rodan & fields products in the past, I have to say I like that they’re doing away with the MLM portion of their business. I haven’t used R&F for awhile because it’s pricey and I’ve started moving away from MLM’s, but my mom and I actually really liked their products. I started struggling immensely with acne in my 20’s after having little to no issues as a teenager, and their unblemish line helped me tremendously with that.

[@Ssmm321]

I agree. My co worker tried to "recruit" me. I said no to that but agreed to use their products. I have zero regrets - the unblemish line was expensive, but it worked really well for my acne. Maybe other products might have done the same but I didn't have the energy to experiment at that time. I am grateful and say thank you that I stuck with buying and never the MLM scheme.

[@annieoddo1475]

@@Ssmm321 I guess my mom and I were lucky that our sellers were pretty casual and never tried to recruit us. I don’t think any of them really had ambitions to move up in the company. I use LaRoche Posay’s effaclar line for acne now, as well as some of their other products. It’s not a cheap brand, but I think their products are excellent and you can get deals at drugstores, ulta and the like.

[@iwillargue]

17:35 I just can’t take these ladies seriously. To set up the camera, get back in bed, move the tripod to the bathroom, walk back in, set up my the bed, sit down, then cry…🙄🙄🙄 ma’am BYE!

[@mimz1173]

I don’t even get why the coach lady thinks that I would want advice on success from someone who clearly did not succeed with “their” business and also clearly did not understand WHY she didn’t succeed.

[@meg2444]

One thing I really appreciate about you Hannah is that you deeply care about nuance and empathy. A lot of commentary videos are disturbingly lacking in these two qualities, and they're so important for getting the full story. It is hard to find a way to make money, and then have the rug pulled out from under you and lose your job. So I really appreciate you extending your empathy to these people. However, I don't think you called these people out enough as making a living off scamming people, and then making performative internet content about how sad they are that they dont get to scam people anymore. They are directly profiting from other people's misfortunes and mistakes, they deserve to be held accountable for that. Theyre human, and they deserve empathy and forgiveness. But accountability has to come first, and this is exactly what they deserve.

[@lovable_punk]

New sub here. I'm living in southeast asia and MLM awareness in here is comparatively low. Despite diff MLMs, your videos are still very relatable bc those companies operates with same method everywhere in the world.

[@irina-ty1336]

Honestly, I struggle to have any empathy towards those women. They are not closing their business, they are just losing the income produced by their downline. And the fact they are all crying, and/or searching to jump ships show in bold letters they know the money came from the downline bonus, so they know they are in a pyramide scheme. And I have little compassion for scammers losing their scams.

[@NotMykl]

They are crying because they know their income stream is going to dry up as they never made enough in sales without their downlines to even buy lunch at McDonald's.

[@afrominded]

I honestly can't understand their reaction. As a content creator, I promote products that I like. So affiliate marketing is normal and very lucrative. If they build an online presence, why can't they just promote the product as an affiliate? If it's a good product, this shouldn't be a problem, right? Or am I crazy? lol

[@ineffablepenguin5052]

Every single time we see these videos from these mlm Huns I’m always struck anew by how…religious, the language they use is. I grew up very very fundie Christian and the way these people talk about their stupid business makes my skin itch. It’s so creepy and manipulative!

[@annapainter2763]

A lot of them come from fundie Christian or Mormon backgrounds. They just added another cult into their life via mlms

[@chase-mode]

I love how much empathy you have for these mlm reps. It’s easy to want to be like “haha told you so, thought you were a business owner,” but you’re doing a great job at not rubbing it in, but feeling bad that their lives are being upended like this…for the most part. The ones who are upset they can’t exploit others can walk through a leggo field. The ones moving to another MLM are wild, but I guess that’s all they know.

[@louciesimmons]

The amount of laughing I did everytime she said "pouring into" and you got grossed out, is hilarious. 😂

[@Nani-qg9vc]

It’s like they never believed in or were really even trying to sell the products

[@Nani-qg9vc]

Point being: it’s icky that they’re not learning the lesson from this and staying for the actually useful training on commissioned based sales and instead are re-investing themselves into predatory recruitment practices.

[@haggardtrish]

I honestly can't feel sad for these people. They've been preying on vulnerable people for years, allowing those struggling to spend what little money they have backstocking crap products, and then berating them and mocking them for "failing" when they aren't successful. Karma finally caught up to them

[@dommino22]

I feel like there will be a lot of "ex-firefighter" husbands having to go back to work...cause their MLM wives can no longer support the whole household. lol

[@atTHEdishwasher]

Somebody is getting his covid vaccine tonight

[@jimin8006]

@@atTHEdishwasherlmaoooooooo 💀

[@cjs2587]

The irony is that if they are this good at upselling a product, they can make a ton of money from this commission-based model. Just regroup and start spending the same amount of time selling the product yourself, instead of gaining people under you. Build your own customer base like you recruited people to sell under you.

[@carochan86]

Can they now sell multiple brands at once ?

[@deborahcombs1631]

Yeah, I mean, "it works if you work it", right? 😏

[@sweetgrassviews5841]

I don’t feel bad for any of these women in 2024, it’s absolutely no excuses to join a mlm and act surprised that it’s a scam. All the anti mlm content on EVERY platform is easily accessible. Then to leave one and join another is insane. It would not shock me that if in the next year or two all of these MLM’s switch to this format. Or even pay “influencers” to use the product and promote it that way.

[@A1phaDrag0n]

It's exceptionally hard to feel any sympathy for someone that smacks their lips like that during any conversation.

[@melissad4056]

I will NEVER understand how people post pictures of themselves crying on social media. I get it - this is a huge change and it's okay to cry. But why do so many people feel the need to post it on social media??? It's so immature and cringey.

[@allisonpl]

Holy shit. I just came into the comments to say the same thing! I don't get it. How attention starved are you to have to resort to posting yourself sobbing and shuffling through your day? It's mega cringe.

[@juliajs1752]

They want to drum up sympathy from their followers and "down-line" and take them with them to the next MLM.

[@carrained]

Personally I did it when I was very high on morphine immediately after my surgery and I found out that I didn't have endometriosis so after 2 years of horrible doctors I still had to keep searching for answers, and in that moment that was ALL my life was - the emotions right there and then, so I think maybe that's why they do it? They feel completely lost in that moment because their lives revolve around this.

[@minifoodmom84]

I’ve been with you since your channels inception (Poshmark girly, here!) and it’s been wonderful watching you evolve! Seriously, I feel like I’ve witnessed you “growing up.” Getting married, having your daughter and going from bashful and unsure to confident and professional! Keep up the great work. ❤

[@raquelfantoni2812]

Same here!

[@alyaniellewilliams7419]

Crying and jumping ship over not being able to recruit others into the scam only further proves that they are well aware that the only way to make money in those companies is from recruitment. They'll deny it until they are blue in the face and swear the product is the selling point. Yet, here they are having an absolute melt down over the loss of recruitment income.

[@circling-girl]

"I'm so devastated that I can no longer take advantage of all the women I've scammed into letting me profit off of their work while they struggle to make any money for themselves 😭😿"

[@jessicameyer665]

I am European where employee rights are good and have been made redundant a couple of times. I am sympathetic. It was quite unpleasant for me even though I had good prospects (scientist), found new work easily and got severance packages. These women likely don't have much chance of going out and finding a new job, if they did this wouldn't have been their job in the first place. So I absolutely feel bad for them. It must be really scary for some of them

[@juliajs1752]

You're very kind in your assessment. Most of the MLM huns are scamming because they get duped and want easy money. They surely could find a job with an actual contract and safety net, but that would require actual accountability and not just shooting advertisements.

[@a697ag]

Also these ladies do not qualify for any unemployment benefits in the US because they are not real employees. And no. I do not feel bad for them. This is what you get when your earnings are based on scamming other people instead of selling quality products.

[@Beetdabot]

Next time I’m sad, I’m going to pull out a camera, setup scenes of me sad, and post it to social media.

[@JamesQMurphy]

14:22 I also have that visceral reaction to "pouring into" 🤮

[@goodradoodles1549]

My only disappointment is that Hannah wasn’t a grim reaper on the thumbnail

[@evrenseven]

I feel like "downline building" is a specific skill (i.e. being insufferable and never taking no for an answer) and they'll go do this at any other MLM

[@nousernamesarevalid]

Switching from an MLM model to direct sales commission means all the people she recruited are now her competition. This reasoning is exactly what MLM reps need to hear to get them out.

[@ninimeggie4771]

I'm not familiar with the products of either of these companies but i hope more go this way rather than just closing down. Some MLMs genuinely have good products and I would love to buy them if they weren't part of a preditory model and ideally if they were a little cheaper from the removal of the pyramid structure

[@JamesQMurphy]

Yeah me too! "Pampered Chef" comes to mind for me... really pricey but I do like their products.

[@ckee8437]

Seriously, WHY do it that way when your product is actually good?

[@marissabulso6439]

No lie, I was distracted at the beginning because I was wondering what skincare/makeup you had on because it looks so beautiful and natural and glowy! Especially love the color of the lip oil. So I laughed and clapped during your Typology plug. 😂