MLM TOP FAILS #57 | Tiber River MLM shuts down but refuses to pay out final commissions

[@CarpeCupcake]

"you're not too tired to increase your upline's paycheck!" fixed that for her

[@NikkiRN-CLC]

YES

[@christiesanchez4013]

🔥🔥

[@TiffanyG8675309]

Ma'am, the camera is most certainly for Zeke, and how dare you suggest otherwise? 🤣🤣

[@marithdekloe]

Came here to comment the same😂

[@gmaerowed]

Came here to say "Zeke don't listen to her, the camera is for you" 😂

[@TiffanyG8675309]

@@gmaerowed 😂

[@5thStFoster]

OKAY...regarding Colleen. *Deep Breath* #1 - I'm a performer. What Rihanna did at the Super Bowl took some serious energy and stamina. There was no half-a** about it, pregnant or not. That 15 minutes required more energy than most of us use in an entire day. #2 - That being said, this performance was in the works for months, and Rihanna had an army of people helping her prepare for it. I expect there was a medical team monitoring her along the way, and she had every resource she could possibly need. Stand-ins during rehearsals allowed her to rest when she needed to. She likely took rest time in the days before and after the performance. This is along the lines of these reps saying "You have the same number of hours every day as Beyoncé." Hours yes, but resources NO! It's not the same, folks. Colleen represents everything that is toxic about MLM and hustle culture. It's maddening.

[@dotstoevsky7686]

🎉 Perfectly stated

[@unreadaethel6878]

Also, Rihanna knew she was getting paid for that performance.

[@meghansullivan6812]

Such brilliant points!

[@ScarlettKay494]

Colleen - “I can’t believe people take the time to write comments on the internet when they don’t agree with something” Also Colleen - *makes an entire video about people not agreeing with her *

[@cc1526]

This is such a pet peeve of mine. When people comment things like “I’m not reading all that” or “it’s not that deep” all I hear is you’re too lazy to read and have an actual discussion but yet you still wanna leave a dumb comment that adds nothing to the argument just to feel special. Lol if it’s “not that deep” might I suggest just not commenting then ? 🙄💀

[@MamaMOB]

Colleen: I don't have time to write angry comments while dropping the kids off at the pool… but I do have time to set up all of my recording equipment, record a video, edit it, and upload it!

[@marguaritetherese3156]

Exactly!

[@DylonsBBGorl]

@@cc1526 No, sometimes people just take it too far. If I respond to your ignorant comment with what is supposed to be common sense, I'm not going to read your 4 paragraph rant about your life story. At all. Take ts to a therapist.

[@cc1526]

@@DylonsBBGorl while I will concede there are trolls who truly just write nonsense to waste people’s time, in my experience of coming across KZbin comment arguments, it is overwhelmingly people with good arguments who take the time to articulate and support them and then some nonsense “dude it’s not that deep” response just to have the “last say” even if it adds no value to the discussion.

[@binarythinker94]

I've decided to start calling mlm founders Pharaohs. The parallels are striking. They both receive unconditional support, often have a god complex, and build pyramids.

[@amilasrsly]

😂😂😂

[@glory5110]

[@directorMASC]

👏

[@karmaleenash2841]

Well said! 💥💥💥

[@spice-x]

That’s way too cool of a name for them, sorry

[@morgan.b.writes]

As a pregnant lady who wanted a super fit pregnancy but ended up on bedrest with a super high risk pregnancy instead, I can confirm that Colleen has no idea what she is talking about 😂 pregnancy is one unexpected turn after another and literally just getting through another day with a healthy baby is enough. Stop shaming women, some of who *literally* cannot do it all. 🙄

[@carolsummers8734]

So true. My daughter lost her first pregnancy at 5 months. She spent 7 months of her second pregnancy in bed and her son was 5 weeks premature. She and her husband decided not to risk another and adopted.

[@TheSeptemberSapphire]

Pregnancy is the biggest spectrum. It goes from “I didn’t know I was pregnant because I felt normal and didn’t gain weight” to death.

[@jackiemason3607]

So true! was on modified bedrest and progestrone from 20 weeks to 36 weeks my super active pregnancy stopped and i lived in my house and on my couch lol but my baby was healthy and made it too fullterm which is enough

[@tash4270]

This!!!

[@madisonkelley94]

Oh my gosh couldn't agree more

[@jenluv]

I'm working my way through your content, so I'm not sure if you've searched for this and found it already, but I was curious to see what happened with Tiber River. Turns out they went out of business in April 2024.

[@CieraMychele]

"You guys are all missing the point" she says as she completely misses the point

[@FateWorseThanDeath]

Hannah, I love your videos, but please stop spreading lies. "Zeke, the camera is not for you, bud." I need to trust the information I'm getting here is correct. 😹

[@Merrowsteel]

Right!! I said “lies!!” Out loud when Hannah said that. The camera loves you Zeke

[@victoriachristian4379]

😂

[@mitdec2179]

Until I reread this post about 3 times I was about to jump all over you and defend Hannah! Lol. Hannah, Hannah, stop lieing and put Zeke on camera!!

[@karlagerman-skrinjaric6548]

Stop the misinformation Hannah. Hahahahahahahaha. I loved this comment

[@charliewright6273]

Let's all band together and get Hannah to put up a cat camera in the corner for all (or a bunch of) her videos. 🤩

[@lionfish2201]

I like the comment that points out that Rihanna has an actual team behind her. Was she an absolute boss for that show? Yup! But it’s very likely she has a nanny or childcare dedicated to her child, she has assistants, publicists, and certainly dozens of other people to get everything done. Saying that “oh if she did this, you can too” ignores how much money, privilege, and moving parts went into that show and how not accessible that is to most women- especially the type of women targeted by MLMs.

[@moodycowcrafts4862]

I think the whole "everyone has 24 hours in a day even [celebrity]" type statements have made their inspo-rounds and no-one is interested with that kind of statement anymore because, like you said, it ignores all the nuance of their resources and support networks

[@christiesanchez4013]

Rihanna is also a billionaire. What % of MLM reps have $1M+ dollars, or even $100K or $10K?

[@kelsiismirliesmusic]

This whole "you can still work even when you're tired" bit really got me today. I'm living with multiple chronic illnesses and still struggling to figure out how to work every day even from home. I want to work full time in my field but my health is making it really difficult. Today is a particularly hard day due to new medications, a poor sleep and awful pain. I worked for a couple of hours and now I need to rest. Yes, I'm blessed to currently be in a position where I can do that, but it isn't something that will last long term. I feel horrible emotionally knowing that I can't function the way that I want to. This toxic positivity is just awful. It isn't possible for me to work when I feel as horrible as I do and even though I want to be working, this sort of shaming doesn't motivate me to get up and do more... It really doesn't.

[@Mama_Bear524]

I’m so sorry and I’m fully with you. Those ppl are straight up disgusting. Also, not everyone WANTS to do all that and that’s ok too. It’s my life. If I want to stare at the wall all day that’s my prerogative and doesn’t make me less than anyone else. The whole push by some people to say we need to always be productive, why? Literally why? If that gives you pleasure go for it! It doesn’t give me pleasure. I’ve recently decided to embrace that I’m lazy. Like so what? I never want to hussle, be stressed. Luckily I’m able to be. I bet most ppl who ARE productive wish they didn’t have to be. It’s a made up goal.

[@kadeelacayo4806]

I’m with you . I prefer to work from home but I must say sometimes it’s harder to get work done. Or even work at all

[@reidleblanc3140]

Same boat. With chronic fatigue and hypermobility, I seriously CANNOT work if I am tired, or I will injure myself for weeks, months, or even permanently. I must stop before I get tired.

[@spye007]

I am with you. I have no chronic illnesses, however, I am not a robot either. I have been extremely busy for the past six months. Yesterday, I tried to schedule time to do zero, zilch, nada, nothing. Two friends were supposed to come at 2:30 pm yesterday to pick up - of all things - sour dough starter. They both tried to re-schedule during my down time and I said NO. I think they were kind of shocked. I recognized that I needed to do nothing other than stare mindlessly at my laptop while eating cashews. I'm sure Miss Colleen would have something caustic to say about that lol.

[@tash4270]

Well said, and I'm totally on board with you. I'm struggling enough for a number of personal things and mental things and it's not easy, I cannot stand when other people say blanket things like "if Rhianna does it pregnant, you can do your job blah blah"... Literally everyone is different; it's like those people who say "we all have the same 24 hours in a day" - no, no we do not 😂

[@AlyxCx]

Watching this in 2024, don’t see a lawsuit filed on tiber river, but see in April they are closing down. Those ambassadors should have sued

[@niceice07]

can we get a compilation of all of Zeke and Cooper's cameos? lol Love their little faces so much

[@botticellibarbie]

I really hope the ex-Tiber River reps can get a lawsuit going. That situation is just awful.

[@carolsummers8734]

But what resources could be sued for.

[@sabraeast]

@@carolsummers8734 they own a large salon, a facility that makes their products etc. I live in the cuff where they are from

[@theashleighdiaries]

@@sabraeast The way that saga played out as described in this video indicates that the company is in a form of bankruptcy if they don't have access to their own funds, so whether or not they even have those assets anymore - or any assets to be able to sue for the value of to pay them - is a whole different ballgame.

[@labachaterairlandesa]

@@theashleighdiariesor it is a pyramid/Ponzi scheme, and this is evidence that the bottom’s fallen off of it. 😂

[@abigailsara]

Fun fact: the performers during the super bowl don't get paid, they actually pay for their own show.

[@rachel3620]

Came here to say this. Colleen is obviously out of touch.

[@anij80]

Oh!! I did not know that.

[@keyboardsmash9407]

yesss, true! i saw an instagram video the other day about that

[@lazkid220]

so its EXACTLY like working for an MLM, you hustle pregnant for no money lol

[@Itsallpossible]

The NFL doesn’t pay them, but they are sponsored by companies, which is why you hear “Coming up next is the Super Bowl halftime show brought to you by Apple Music”. They have creative control, but Rihanna isn’t paying for floating platforms out of pocket.

[@Jfonner09]

Colleen out here like “I don’t understand people taking time to write nasty comments on the internet when they could be WoRKiNg tHeIR BiZzZz instead”……. ***spends her time shooting and editing a whole condescending reel***

[@jakzine540]

And making a point of constantly checking her 'ENGAGemeNT' all day so she can clap back at dem HATERS. Did we ever really grow up from school?

[@dweebicusmaximus]

@@jakzine540 well she certainly didn't but I think a lot of people did lmao

[@jakzine540]

@@dweebicusmaximus Very, very true. Now excuse me, I need to go gossip with the other kids I 'hate' at the lunch table over Otis Spunkmeier muffins about how tacky her dress is and how she uses too much foundation until she looks like a living make-up cream doll, a strange abomination that is more make-up than human being.

[@rebekahjimenez2808]

My first pregnancy almost killed me. My second one made me feel AMAZING! The other two were in between. Being a "boss-babe" has nothing to do with it.

[@muuuune]

Colleen's perspective just sucks. Her husband notifying her, like he could possibly understand what it's like to be pregnant. It's actually giving misogyny-women don't work hard, complain too much, cramps don't exist, pregnancy is a breeze and ya'll are milking it 🙄. She's also giving refusal to acknowledge being wrong because it's a sign of weakness.

[@hubabaloop]

Yes it’s giving misogyny FOR SURE

[@Mama_Bear524]

It was absolutely awful

[@rachelingrisano9055]

Frankly, its all BS. I don't believe for one second that her husband reached out to her...acting like she was just doing her thing...

[@SunshineGurl34]

She also doesn’t take into account that Rihanna took a very long break from performing

[@tash4270]

The misogyny is coming from inside the house :(

[@velvetnightmare3133]

Why was Coleen even watching the Super Bowl when she should be working?

[@LH-ot5rk]

😂

[@kameliya8855]

😂😂

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@shawnasomers9127]

Hahaha

[@skylarjohnson7779]

My dad has been hospitalised three times in the last week and I just recovered from covid but I guess I have no reason to be worn out because a pregnant lady sang a song!

[@naeshelle]

We don’t have to downplay what an incredible feat it is for a woman to perform a Superbowl halftime show while pregnant just to emphasize how tired we are from illness & taking care of family. Both can be equally true & valid! 😊

[@NikkiRN-CLC]

My dad just had major open heart surgery, they replaced a valve, they fixed an aneurysm, they did a couple things for his AFib. Anyways, I'm a nurse and I had stepped away for a bit to be with him so I'm right there with you!

[@linzertorte4003]

And that’s the tip of the iceberg for Tiber River. They have been accused of many wrongs - mostly racism, firing a pregnant woman for being pregnant, and so much more. It’s an awful company. And I tried their shampoo at a Folk festival because they had a free station, and my hair after 3 days of not washing was in better shape than after I washed it with Tiber River.

[@amymckay23]

So even though they are no longer an MLM model, please don’t buy from here guys!!!

[@krystinaxxlea]

I cannot stand companies that use pregnancy against women. I was aboutt to be promoted at my job when I found out I was pregnant and my boss and my assistant manager (who was actually a friend and talked me into working there) told me I had to get an abortion to get the promotion or keep the baby and loose the promotion. I was livid. Worst part, I lost the baby 3 months into my pregnancy and they both had the balls to say see should have just aborted it and took the promotion. Karma got them and 5 months after I left the shut down the restaurant with no warning to their employees. They sent out a mass text to everyone on January 1st. The audacity of people is really mind blowing.

[@EmilyVeronicaW]

Came to the comments to say the same. They have a nasty habit of not paying their employees or firing them just before their probation ends and not paying out. Just the worst

[@Shoot4AlarmFire]

@@krystinaxxlea I am so sorry, that is beyond horrible. From their treatment of you to your loss to their reaction. You did not deserve that! I'm sorry you lost the baby, and I hope you're in a good place right now.

[@krystinaxxlea]

@@Shoot4AlarmFire thank you for your kindness 💜 it took a while to heal but I've been blessed with a beautiful baby girl and a wonderful therapist ha, I think I was more disappointed that people I trusted would put me in such a horrible position

[@sarahferenc5440]

Not even 3 min in and we are blessed with a Zeke cameo ❤

[@DogHairRules]

Let's not forget that the screenshots of income were likely GROSS income, not net, right? So they still have to pay self-employment taxes, social security, etc., out of that amount.

[@djs2182]

Exactly and let’s not forget how much of their own money they spent to buy their rank (which most admit to). If you spent $750 and made $800, and then have to pay taxes on that plus the interest your building on your credit cards to keep your rank up, it’s a lot less impressive

[@bumblebee2866]

Those Tiber River employees should file a class action lawsuit. The company is in clear breach of contract.

[@paularunslondon]

Yeah, that sounds kind of illegal to just not pay people.

[@Dreaming_Of_Words]

You can't have it both ways huns... Hun 1: You have to give it 120% EVERY MINUTE OF EVERYDAY. Hun 2: Just do the bare minimum every day. Just goes to show that it doesn't matter how you do it, you're doing it wrong.

[@JJayTheGoat]

There’s a crucial thing mentioned in Colleen’s response that it seems people are overlooking. It really caught my attention and I feel it can explain her response. She mentioned her friend called her up and said “solidarity”. To me, this may be why she’s doubling down. She’s surrounded by Yes-men. People who are simply there to agree with everything she says. True friends can lovingly point out when you’ve messed up. And that opinion is going to be listened to much more than the sentiments of people online. Of course she thinks she’s right, everyone around her is TELLING HER she’s right! So unfortunately, until people in her immediate circle hold her accountable…I don’t think her internet followers are going to be able to change her mind.

[@lllaaauuurrraaa]

I think you might be giving her too much credit. Ten bucks says no one called her. (And I don't believe her husband sent her that sassy text about "triggered people" either.) It's just her main character syndrome.

[@keppakappa5033]

I think it could be partially this, and also, the fact that she clearly doesn't take criticism well at all. She seems like the type to ONLY keep people around if they're constantly agreeing with her and either dismissing, fighting against, or getting overly defensive with anyone who does have the 'absolute gall' to disagree with her, before they either leave out of exasperation or her cutting their 'toxicity' out of her life.

[@kayladavidson2518]

there is a great book called Burnout by Emily Nagoski that expresses the issues with hustle culture within women in particular in a very comprehensive way! it breaks down the mindset of women feeling they need to work twice as hard, put others needs before their own, and as a result feel entirely burnt out from this constant cycle, and i think it’s a great read for anyone struggling with workaholic self-sacrificial tendencies and without coming off as privileged like many self-help books do (i.e. it’s not as easy as “just working less” for those who need to work to afford a living, etc.)

[@verushkavandermerwe683]

I'm quite literally addicted to your channel. Your voice is so incredibly soothing! You saved me from joining Amway and i can't thank you enough. Love from South Africa 😱🙈

[@yolandaponkers1581]

I’m just so over people using the word “trigger,” because they’re always using it to excuse their own rude remarks, like this woman is doing. The term is losing meaning.

[@aleriose]

I’m currently pregnant and based on following you, we might be close-ish on date. I guess I’m not a boss B, since I can’t do much of anything. I’m ready to go on leave and I still have a few weeks to get there. I am impressed by how great you look and how you continue to deliver quality content. You go! I hope everything is going well for you. I appreciate your channel. I helps when I’m going down a rabbit whole of pregnancy videos and fears, and it brings me back to reality.

[@HannahAlonzo]

Thank you so much! I feel you, these last few weeks feel like a major struggle. I'm suffering with a lot of pain, exhaustion, and mental overwhelm so Colleen's messaging didn't sit well with me either. It's okay to rest!

[@raindrop3366]

"The camera isn't for you bud." Well Zeke disagrees. 😂

[@elizabethwillis885]

“The limit does not exist.” -Cady Herron, Mean Girls She thought she was talking about Math but she was really talking about MLMs.

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

😂❤

[@icetypejulia]

Oh my god we’ve been gifted Tiber river stuff so many times I had no idea they were an mlm! Glad to see they’ve changed their business model tho

[@sophiauban7352]

I find it so enraging but also hilarious that ms colleen says “i don’t understand why people must comment when they see something on the internet that they dont like.” Like ms girl thats what ur doing RIGHT NOW! Ur making a video about how you dont like what people are saying on the internet!!!

[@lmaChroma]

Does it really surprise anyone that she doubles down on something she's being told is wrong? It's the MLM mindset

[@dkeinow]

2:44 I just love Zeke the cat. Here human, here's my tail 🤣🤣

[@nikkikoz4720]

Nothing Ri did was half hearted she was iconic. That touch up with her make up line was chef kiss.

[@SunshineGurl34]

I feel like Colleen forgets that Rihanna didn’t perform for SEVERAL YEARS (I think 7 to be exact? Don’t quote me) before performing the Super Bowl…. Like if Rihanna can take a break why in the absolute flying F U C K can’t other women be too tired?!?!?

[@lacedhexes]

The irony here! 😆

[@kaisla_onerva]

THATS SO CRAZY ahahah The ironyy

[@jessicagarcia3279]

I think it’s so funny that she acts like she’s too busy/good to leave angry comments but then she is taking the time to be defensive about it.

[@JohannahFaythe]

Oh boy, this one is gonna be a doozy. Tiber River is huge here since it's a local business, and the fallout from the closing of the Ambassador Program has been dominating the local Facebook pages since the news broke.

[@MariaPetrescu]

As a marketer who has nothing to do with MLMs, I can guarantee that 365 dollar price point was accurately chosen so that it could be leveraged as "It only costs 1 dollar A DAY to invest in your future. Surely you can spare 1 dollar a day to change your life!" and other such nonsense.

[@bdjmyeon27]

those ig stories where coleen doubled down on her ignorance and just straight up audacity just shows she's too far gone in the hustle culture. she will never "compute" that people actually "get too tired" to hustle ever. the only time i think she will find out that she's wrong is when every mlm company ever come after her and make her their top villain or something. i don't even know if i should feel bad that she's in this very crazy and just very bad place but it seems like she doesnt want any kind of salvation at all. i'm also lost bc i dont know if she's just confused, too deep into the cult, or just straight up evil. she lost her empathy and compassion just so she can sell her goofy overpriced course.

[@MamaMOB]

But here's the thing… it does compute when it affects her. I guarantee there's time she's too tired to do something. There are times she's too sick to do something there are times that something else takes priority over her job. She's a human being just like the rest of us but she's pretending not to be.

[@Saburi0504]

Yay! Just sat down to get ready for work and was wondering what I’d listen to while I did. ❤

[@BetsyRene]

Same!

[@alexia3552]

What’s goofy to me is we don’t know how many days Rihanna needed to rest in the months of prep leading up to that one-day Super Bowl performance. You can’t life every day of your life like it’s your Super Bowl performance.

[@Infantfaire]

The tiber river thing was definitely planned. Legally speaking they are gambling on fine print contracts which alludes to product being given as money is acceptable and legal. They’ve also planned for a lawsuit. They’ve already set aside what they are willing to pay in a settlement and they’ve done so because it’s cheaper than paying the commissions.

[@poetrymafia27]

that’s a good insight. often lawsuits are less expensive than doing what you’re supposed to do. ugh

[@LisaHarvey16]

Wow that's disgusting!

[@MJ-mp1fx]

​@@poetrymafia27I work for a law firm that sues pharmaceutical companies for failing to warn about dangerous side effects, and I can confirm that is 100% true.

[@carinelsonfreeland]

“Hi, American Express! I’d like to pay my bill this month with loyalty points. Thanks!”

[@binknbaby]

MLM Boss Babe: "Join my team and make your own hours! Live your best life and quit the nine to five!" Also MLM Boss Babe: "Who cares how you feel? Keep working no matter what your physical condition may be!"

[@roxannegr8able]

And then she bad mouths Rihanna’s superbowl performance… what?! First you’re going to claim that she is the epitome of work ethic for “working despite her condition.” And then you’re going to say but she didn’t actually do that good of a job up there. So she’s basically pointing out that nothing is good enough for her. I feel bad for her down line if this is what she projects onto them.

[@MamaMOB]

Can you quote where she said that? Because I listened to what she said over and over to hear where she said that and she didn't. She said Rihanna did it and that not everyone is going to be perfect every try. That's 2 separate things. Y'all are reading something she didn't say into the awful things she actually did say. Go back and listen to what she actually said again. You read into it something she did not say.

[@sheenadeets]

@@MamaMOBare we watching the same video? She literally says “Rihanna got out there last night…and did not give the best performance. She basically stood there…and lip synced”.

[@paularunslondon]

I didn’t watch Rhianna so can’t comment. But the fact she’s saying she didn’t do a good job… why is it a good thing that she did it then? Shouldn’t you take a break if you’re not putting out your best stuff, so that when you work you’re actually being effective?

[@Sparkle__Punk]

Tiber River is giving SchruteBucks energy 🙄

[@108ladylena]

😂

[@smurph13]

I really hope the Tiber River folks are able to band together and are able to take legal action. Hard to tell if they can because of the whole "independent contractor" thing having different obligations vs traditional employers, but I'm really rooting for them! 🤞🏻

[@timriehl1500]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@13Wednesdays]

If they were contracted to be paid and provided their end of the contract, they MUST be paid. Several companies have been busted over the years by trying to pay in nontraditional ways like loadable cards or product, so hopefully whatever bankruptcy or financial stuff they're going through doesn't take precedence over their legal obligation to pay their ICs with real money!

[@MidnightAndLuna]

Colleen gives me ‘top 1% of the pyramid mean girl’ vibes. I could see her being a nightmare to her downline.

[@girlseeksjoy]

I agree with this. I actually work in a direct sales company, but she has always given me bad vibes and as you nailed it on the head, mean girl vibes

[@absynthefaerie]

“She doesn’t need the Super Bowl money.” Ahhh does this person not know how the halftime performance is done because they don’t get paid they get exposure from my understanding. Not to mention yes she does dance like heck out there. If she didn’t there wouldn’t be videos of dancers doing her dance.

[@MamaMOB]

Where did she say she didn't dance her ass off? Please quote where she says or even implies that Rihanna half assed it. I'll wait, but since I listened to this woman's awful ranto over and over to find it, I won't hold my breath.

[@katebreck7624]

No they get paid from sponsors. Rhianna doesnt need exposure

[@Hamptonivy]

Of course Colleen would double down and call constructive criticism “mean comments”.

[@angelastahl626]

I thought she called negative comments “good for business” in another video?

[@kurotsuki7427]

I dont want a side hustle, i want a job that pays well enough i can have all the side naps. (And a society that is willing and able to support those who cant work so they dont feel like they have to take any work even scams)

[@AsterInDis]

Zeke oh my gosh, the waving curiosity tail as you sniff the camera is so cute! I can't stand it.

[@skellyaceart]

I find it funny that your cat decided to jump into the video. As someone with many kitties myself, I find it entertaining when pets make themselves known in their hoomans' content.

[@MusikGirl23]

I teach piano online sometimes. My cats demand to be in the frames lol…

[@ailavanelwa5008]

2:08 [side eye]😒 Hi Zeke… I started giggling.

[@shanalouise]

Love that you are making the effort to end on a positive note. Just one of the many reasons I love your channel!

[@daftoptimist]

Yo, I LOVE that even the huns are calling out Colleen’s “if Riri can do it you can do it” nonsense. That gives me hope that maybe people in MLMs will start to see even more red flags and think more critically.

[@EC_123-h8i]

I cannot stand MLM huns refuse to accept that not everyone wants to hustle 24/7. I'd rather have some peace and rest than an extra $100 in my bank account every year 😂

[@SpiralxShock]

I wonder how many people are going to have some kind of wake-up call after the Rihanna post and Colleen’s response to it…

[@Pippa87]

I don’t know if they will have a wake up for mlm, but hopefully for Colleen.

[@madisonbutler3874]

The more ridiculous the clip/post, the wider Hannah’s eyes get. 😂 It’s one of my favorites things about you girl!

[@JollyCelery]

A very long time ago, I was working my first job out of college. I hated it. One day, the Mary Kay rep came in to the office and I listened to her spiel, bought a few things, and that was it. I did really like the makeup and she came in again and I was ripe for the picking. I seriously considered becoming a rep, even though the sales kits were expensive and I didn't make that much. The least expensive one was $400. She was a top seller and had earned several pink cars. She invited me to her house for a meeting with all of her underlings. Each woman stood up and gave an account of their sales for the week. This woman absolutely ANNHILIATED anyone who's sales were not to her standards. I mean berated, name called, cursed at, it was BRUTAL. I left and never looked back. This was in the early 90s. Now, it sucks because everyone harasses their Facebook friends about buying low quality makeup, over priced pizza stones or weight loss supplements.

[@sunny30427]

On the Plexus reel: those are probably fast start bonus checks and are not the norm. Her team probably saw some momentum in December and worked their butts off to get those checks. But it won’t be the same every month.

[@lauriemaccini8938]

And to be clear: Rihanna has a veritable army of people who work for her. Maids, house manager, cooks, assistants galore. When i was pregnant, I had none of that. Still don’t, actually. Comparing the regular American to A-list celebs is patently ridiculous.

[@lisak7247]

Just saw that Tiber River has "ceased operations".

[@jaxolantern93]

I beg your pardon, the camera IS for Zeke 😂 love you and your kitties!!

[@uninvincibleete]

there's a massive difference between doing a single performance with the help of an entire team for a guaranteed multi-million dollar check, vs running yourself to exhaustion hoping you'll one day break even. it's wild to me that one of the lies mlms hook people on is '9-5s will work you to death, join an mlm to escape that rat race' and then as soon as people join all these mlm crazies are like 'well if you're not successful it's because you're working less than 80 hours a week, so it's your fault'. like they can't even pick their lies consistently.

[@abigailsara]

Angelica Nyqvist did a great video on MLM huns calling themselves "influencers". She is an actual influencer , so it was a good video. Thanks for being a rock star like Rhianna! 😊

[@DarkFire1536]

Yes. I saw that video of Angie's. I appreciated her bringing that up

[@coolbeansnyc]

Which video? I’d love to watch it.

[@Cascadeis]

@@coolbeansnyc It’s called something like “you are not an influencer, you’re in a MLM” and mentions MLMs in the picture. Released about 2 months ago!

[@coolbeansnyc]

@@Cascadeis Found it thanks!

[@babyvia6712]

Hannah you pointed out that we give male performers accolades for doing the bare minimum and I COMPLETELY second that. Men tend to get away with doing less while women have to go above and beyond. Sucks that Colleen seems to be buying into that train of thought.

[@Shudderetal]

Not saying it couldn't be, but I don't think that it's a strong point without an example. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a man who is praised for his performance while not playing an instrument, not singing/rapping live, and not dancing (if relevant). Obviously pregnancy complicates things, but I also don't think people were wrong for expecting more out of a woman who is one of the top performers in the world, despite not putting out an album in years. It's not people expecting too much out of women, it's that people hold Rihanna to an exceptionally high standard.

[@babyvia6712]

@@Shudderetal it’s that people hold women to a high standard and Rihanna. If you can’t find an example, go look for one and quit being contrarian if you have no actual basis to be. I don’t really care what you think of the point off the top of MY head.

[@Shudderetal]

Oh no worries, I figured as much. I just thought since you spoke with such conviction you may have a few examples to offer up. All I'm finding on Google is Milli Vanilli and they're hardly a comparable act.

[@LarissaThePhoenix]

I wish somebody did a video on the MLM Synergy. A friend of mine got into it and I can't even find a video about it, so she could see what she got herself into 😅😅😅

[@Dawn-c4v]

I’m curious how many hours per week these top 1% are “working”? If you make $50k per year (before taxes) but you end up working nights, weekends, 70+ hours per week, that probably ends up being less than minimum wage. I do not understand how anyone this this is “good money”. This makes me exhausted just thinking about working that hard for commission only.

[@PhantomRolePlayer]

Kaysville is in Utah! Which is pretty funny because Kaysville is in Davis County, which has its fair share of MLM headquarters there because Davis County is right next to Salt Lake County where there are even more MLM headquarters. xD

[@tiafielding]

Could the Tiber River thing be BECAUSE they're beginning the online shop only thing? They were likely used to not having as much inventory (I don't know how they did the distribution to their reps) and now have much more that they need to put somewhere. Maybe there's extra costs for something like warehouse space they need, and they used money that was supposed to go to the reps? I'm an author and my former indie publisher did this thing handful of years back, where they took money that should've been in escrow, waiting to be paid for authors at the end of the quarter, and used it to some building projects. They're still in operation and signing up new authors and they still owe tens, probably hundreds of thousands to the authors who left after a long period of not being paid on time or at all. They banked on the small authors who are owed a few thousand or less not wanting the hassle of suing them because it would get more expensive than what they're owed. So maybe that's what this MLM is doing as well? I assume the money they owe to these poor reps is very small amounts for most of them? They're hoping they won't get sued because it's not worth it?

[@s0lastsummer7]

Oh wow that company is in DEEP trouble! Paying people in points, can you imagine!!! 😱 I was clutching my pearls through that entire section, holy cow! And just like that..... another one bites the dust. 🥳

[@lisahance]

I hope Colleen's clients rethink wanting to pay her to be their mentor given how she responded to honest feedback.

[@rachelhansen2417]

Kaysville is in Utah, which is basically ground zero for a lot of MLMs

[@kaylakennedy4065]

Aww Shucks used to limit us to 5 or 10 in our down line and it was often closed for us to add people of course I am not sure they are even still around

[@lmccahill45]

I looked it up! The Kaysville Fire Department is in Utah! Good for them!

[@BeckyMa9482]

I used to follow Colleen when she was a fitness blogger. I remember when she started working for Rodan + Fields, and how excited she was when her husband could stop working his day job to work her business.

[@Mama_Bear524]

Ugh so she “retired her husband?” Ugh gross. I hate that.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

​@@Mama_Bear524 I can never hear that phrase and not think of some male equivalent of the Stepford Wives, some Ken-doll robot that is now being retired to the basement or the trash 😂

[@handmakingapril]

Also, I am watching this a year after it was posted and in this video Collen has 132K followers. I just looked and she currenty has 24K followers. She definitely turned people off of her.

[@whiskey_pink_42]

Kaysville is a town in UTAH. They regularly serve shade in the middle of the lions den 😂

[@Hnyb16]

9:03 did SHE not just go to her social media to shame women because she was told something she didn’t agree with??? 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️ give me a break!

[@txranchmom]

When your used to being praised and congratulated any small feedback is an "angry attack"

[@theloverlyladylo9158]

A lot of firefighters work a second job/ are members of a volunteer-only fire department, and given how their shifts are based around 24-hour schedules, I can absolutely see them making prime MLM targets. “Work on your days off!” “Post when you’re waiting for calls!” “You’re always meeting new people to pitch!” Someone definitely got fed up and fired back.

[@michelleprieur1]

That Tiber River sounds like a company that pulled a scam recently in my area. Long story short, I and several hundred others got let go when our contract ended at my employer. A new company opened in our area, ironically enough, I seem to recall it was an employment agency. Several of my colleagues started working at the new company, and a few months later, they showed up, and the place was shut down. Lights off, building locked, sign on the door saying "sorry "! And they didn't get their last paychecks.

[@sargeoutdoors]

that fire company must have jsut put out a fire from a hun giving a wax melt demo or dry shampoo and candle experiment..lol

[@JardiHardi]

The pyramid scheme episode of teen titans go should be required watching for everyone

[@katie4929]

I loved Rhiannons performance-and we DO give men more praise for far less-great point Hannah!

[@MrsEricaWH]

MLM access (for $$) for MLM members, MLM inception LOL

[@TedApelt]

I find Tiber River's way of paying their reps that final time to be sweet irony. Is it legal? Probably depends on the fine print, which might say something meaning "Company reserves the right to change pay plan at any time without notice" or something like that. It is common for MLM's to have loopholes like that in the application that all reps sign.

[@debramccord7707]

I’m sure they will be surprised when they examine the fine print of their contract which always works in the favor of the scheme.

[@Its_like_the_T-Rex]

Just did the math. Working at a grocery store for minimum wage ($15/hr where I am) for one 8 hour shift a week with 5 weeks vacation STILL earns you more than the top 10% of Plexus who I imagine are hustling over 40 hours a week for mere pennies. Also, they don't include that fact that reps still have to pay income tax on top of their non-living wages.

[@Jayness]

The first one is a good reminder to take a deep breath and think how you respond to criticism.

[@jglaab]

Sounds like Colleen wanted a post to defeat the "I'm pregnant so I can't do mlm right now" but it backfires so gloriously

[@theloverlyladylo9158]

I’m not familiar with Canadian employment law, but I’m fairly certain, based on US employment law, you legally cannot change the currency with which someone is paid. Canadian employment lawyers are probably getting in fistfights over who gets to represent the inevitable class action lawsuit.

[@boshowa0840]

Replace ego with compassion for another human being's wellbeing (financially, mentally, ect) and the gal is spot on, in my opinion.

[@LaraBee]

That was a perfect explanation of "influencers." They market it like that because they know they can deceive people into it being that easy to just sign up and go.

[@erinfindsen4953]

43:44 I love that last one. 😂

[@joangelica8024]

I love your "stir up that fomo" dance ☺❤

[@lpronovost84]

You are such an amazing teacher. I just love listening to your videos, so informative and so interesting and very well researched. Never heard of tiberiver. I hope they get sued big time. What a horrible thing to do to their employees.