Hanzo 1-Shot is BACK - Overwatch 2 Season 12 Mid-Season Patch Breakdown

[@MJyoung35]

no disrespect to the other streamers but your Breakdowns are the ones I look forward to the most. Very logical and mostly unbiased

[@runaway74]

I like watching Samito's because he gets so loud and angry and it helps me get in touch with my inner child

[@demigurlxd5781]

I watch a few peoples for the various takes and it also helps me remember it. Omnic post(cause he uploads fastest and is awsome fake reinhardt voice) KarQ(cause technical) Emongg(cause wholesome) Samito(to shake my head and laugh at some one who rages that hard😂)

[@Abstractor21]

I love watching Flat, though. He makes me laugh every time he does a tier list. No offense, but the guy is so biased and such a crybaby that you can't help but laugh. Samito and Jay3 are also two clowns. KarQ is the god of objectivity and unbiased opinions, or at least he REALLY tries to be that way. Emong too.

[@runaway74]

@@Abstractor21 just one singular Flat

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

Spilo is such a straight shooter that whenever he’s biased against projectile, it’s excruciating to watch

[@Saxtalk.]

17:06 Moira is played in a lot in low ranked lobbies. That's a big buff for the majority of the people playing.

[@rkmn12]

me who only play moira

[@Saxtalk.]

@rainmaker8180 then this is your season, wreck them

[@Scriblerlus]

It is only coalescence. TTK for a 250 HP hero goes from 3.5 to 2.9 seconds. So, it does increase lethality for the ult, but it is still like 3 seconds for someone to react and get out of her way, unless they are caught in a Zarya grab, at which point they were dead anyway.

[@maxvader1000]

Reminder Sigma can still damage himself with Accretion (rock) so tech still possible, just more unlikely

[@aimin6469]

i just hate the fact that the tool tips for the F1 hero help is so minimal and doesn't tell me the damage. I always have to go to the wiki if i want to know some oneshot comboes

[@tamagreen9032]

Even still the wiki ain't always up to date lmao. Having specific numbers would be awesome in the f1 menu I agree

[@jaakezzz_G]

the flux change is also a nerf because damage boost doesn't apply either. The problem is now we can't alter its damage in custom games, which is funny because they call it a bug fix, but it's actually a bug implementation treated as a feature.

[@Aregulargameplayer]

iirc Moira ult damage wasn't buffed going from the Season 9 max HP while her primary fire did increase. This is probably something she should have gotten before but we'll see.

[@skarloeythomas5172]

She shouldn’t get it when damage heroes don’t get their ults buffed. S9 should be abolished.

[@marcosrodriguez.9753]

@@skarloeythomas5172genji in the corner crying

[@ImHaise]

Why HP buff heroes and then DMG buff heroes??? This is so nonsensical

[@halohaalo2583]

But they did buff cass ult. Ashe ult. Bastion ult and so on ​@@skarloeythomas5172

[@walvens3080]

Hanzo getting his oneshot back on most of the cast makes me really fucking glad I play tank - I don't want to be in a situation where someone randomly spamming down a choke can kill me before I even know the enemy *picked* him

[@Mcudjoe34]

been happening left and right already :(

[@dennisn5308]

I'm a hanzo main from way back, and only recently returned to overwatch after many years away. Finding out that Hanzo can no longer one shot most heroes made me so sad. This change, in my opinion, is fantastic and will bring Hanzo in the hands of a skilled player back into the fold. I love it!

[@ledoug6014]

Well instead any armour tank you play now gets melted by zen - fellow tank main

[@marcels.4774]

Agree. Oneshots don‘t belong in 5v5. I hoped that widow would get the same treatment… But now we are getting back again to getting onetapped across the map^^

[@reallyfastturtle3272]

​@@dennisn5308 ❤️

[@aepokkvulpex]

It's so weird that they hinted at Sombra nerfs and then didn't touch her at all

[@michaeldeangelissssss]

Can they just buff Zen healing orb? 30 HPS is terrible with all the health pools nowadays. Like they can increase his ultimate cost but like come on man like healing 30 a second is so bad with tanks with over 700 health like a freaking pylon heals more than you do.

[@NatDaHomie]

It’s also less with DPS passive lol

[@michaeldeangelissssss]

@@NatDaHomie bruh

[@LordTrung]

With this change, Hanzo's arrow is now officially the smallest projectile in the game. I'm a Hanzo main but I'm actually ok with that

[@halohaalo2583]

Does it matter when you can just spam it down mid? Congratulations you main a roulette wheel now 🎰🎰🎰

[@LordTrung]

@@halohaalo2583 Did you realize that since season 9, the arrow's hitbox has been changed to be bigger and can no longer 1-shot, making Hanzo more spammy than ever, right? Now that the change has been reverted and on top of that, the draw time is longer, it makes Hanzo players are less spammy and have to be much more precise with each shot. Beside, if you get hit by someone spamming the smallest projectile in the game at the choke point, it's kinda your fault.

[@DEML91]

I don't understand OW balance team, what was the point of the big tank patch if now they are just reverting everything over time.

[@Soothsayer.5150]

Illusion of progress or they have no idea what they’re doing

[@neilmallick20]

they're playing favorite of the month with roles and heroes, as the guy above me noted, they do not exactly know what they are doing.

[@EAErue]

its most competitive games trick. I don't really love it too but this way they keep gameplay fresh without adding new thing and make every role happy. Balanced games loses its popularity faster over time. You can search about this.

[@and16942]

I hate the Mystery Heroes change. I left role cue because it’s so Tank dependent playing solo. OG Mystery heroes gave an even chance for everyone to carry based on who they spawn with. Yes it sucked when you go up against 3 tanks and 2 support but that was part of the fun

[@MrFirefox365]

As a hanzo main, I'll say that while we get random kills sometimes, most of the time, it's intentional and is no different than a widow killing you you just feel it could have been random and it feels worse. Depending on the map and game to game hanzo mighg play more spamy but even still it' can also be a calculated guess or a line up. The real tell if you got randomed is if you die to a sonar. 99% of the time that is random.

[@EAErue]

nope he is spamzo for a reason

[@MrFirefox365]

@@EAErue He's spamzo because most of the players in the game can't hit anything without spamming.

[@cmaster6042]

Getting one tapped is just not fun. Especially from people like Widow and Hanzo, who you can only do like 5dmg to due to falloff.

[@MrFirefox365]

@cmaster6042 Trust me, I agree, but I'd also rather they be able to one-shot then be shit characters. I personally think it's more of a format issue as a Hanzo or Widow was fairly easy to shut down as an off tank.

[@coffee_in_the_evening]

dying and respawning is inherently part of the game, but what makes hanzo and widow frustrating is dying without being able to respond or react, so no I have no sympathy for hanzo players complaining about losing the one shot and then trying to validate it coming back 🙄

[@BendMax]

Can't ledge grab after wall climb. this is a HUGE nerf to genji and i don't have the energy to explain why.

[@wudini5960]

I thought this was a legit nerf bro don’t scare me like that lmao

[@Haakkon]

Genji Parkour completely broken now.

[@tamagreen9032]

The fact they label it as a "bug", too. A "bug" that in no way provides an unfair advantage and had been in the game for 8 years. Wasn't one of Mercy's movement techs originally a bug, too? I forget the name, but they made that a feature. But genji? Nah, gotta dunk on him

[@améliehester6996]

​@@tamagreen9032 He needed the nerf. He's almost as strong as DVa

[@danieltouma5975]

Hii, im a hanzo main returning to ow after 2 years. The fact that one shot wasnt a thing anymore kinda killed hanzo. Also I notice a significant increase to the bow draw time. Do you guys know if this was increased at some point?

[@veerigo]

venture catching a fucking STRAY

[@Aramyx]

Venture has been ridiculous in low-level/quick play, of course needs nerfs.

[@spacejesus6581]

Meanwhile they buff Moira's ult, it doeent get more OP in low levels than Moira, and thats a FAT buff ​@Aramyx

[@dannyboi024]

​@@spacejesus6581moira sucks lmao

[@spacejesus6581]

@@dannyboi024 not in bronze, saying Venture needed a nerf for being too strong in lower ranks is dumb when Moira gets a 15dps buff during her ult

[@MrSneakSneak]

Love your straight to the point videos that aren't over the top like jay3, it's just what I need to chill and listen to in the background!

[@Shankster-44]

11:30 can still do it with rock but definitely harder also need cool down which you probably won’t have

[@Squidaredumb]

So sad that the Ana mythic isn’t here

[@yasu7409]

ana mythic has happened wdym?

[@m.artifex2001]

​@@yasu7409 mythic weapon

[@el_colecing5046]

​@@yasu7409mythic weapon skin

[@NathanNGM]

When is the mythic weapons supposed to come out?

[@curreenharris]

For real, they teased it at the start of the season but then nothing...?

[@Aquaescobar]

Do you think we get a new hero before the year’s done? We had 3 in 2022, 3 in 2023, and only 2 so far in 2024. Maybe a new tank to open the year? Idk i feel like we got more cosmetics this year than anything else.

[@Hietakissa]

Season 14 (along with the next tank hero, which they kind of teased in Blizzcon 2023) should come out around Dec. 20th (as seasons last around 2 months, so Oct. 20th for S13 and Dec. 20th for S14), so we should technically get another one this year

[@ForbidenXShadow]

I only played 225 hero’s so the hanzo buff is good for me. Now he at least has to aim a little. That arrow size last patch was astronomical

[@enthused_panda]

i really like the skins, specially the widow one, I thought it was pretty creative ngl how they associated widow with sylvannas

[@Sunisway]

Hanzo is just not the same anymore man

[@kingclampz6081]

Exactly idk why more don’t point this out but Hanzo and so many of the hero’s in ow2 have lost there soul that they once had in ow1

[@donny8619]

Thanks for reminding me that this is indeed KarQ. Appreciate it mate!

[@Aramyx]

I thought this was an special event but this being permanent pretty much ruins mystery heroes. All they had to do was reduce the tank cap from 3 to 2. "You can still play it in custom" nobody plays that, be fr.

[@theymi]

lol why are the first comments always from the people who hate the game the most?

[@reallyfastturtle3272]

On goodness bro... "I hate Hanzo blah blah blah"

[@rfewer]

Don’t hate the game, just hate hanzo 1 shot

[@Morpheous2070]

We don’t hunt lions anymore …

[@danielkelsosmith]

@@rfewerIf you can’t play around hero picks, you’re not good at the game. Simple as that.

[@Rohndogg1]

I HATE the role lock in mystery. It takes all the mystery out of mystery and makes it boring. Might as well juat play normal qp role queue at that point. And then honestly might as well just play comp. They're deadset on killing their "casual" base it feels like

[@zenseimagnus606]

if anyone watched korea finals hanbin got frozen by mei ult on ram and survived

[@doumekikun]

If hanzo is going to be considered a sniper make him 200hp, one sjots are not fun widow has long line of sights and hace poor movility and hanzo doesn't have this setback. Going bsck to dying to a random one shot is not fub

[@Dornvud]

It's so funny to see discussions about meta, and how annoying it is. I don't think I saw a single proper combo with Dva plus Juno in my games. I think I can even check some games and list roster of characters that were picked

[@chikilin3306]

KarQ you should do an old school runscape KZbin channel, I would love to see you playing some runscape, I'm getting back into it myself, currently playing on mobile, used to play in my teen days but would love to learn from you, I was mostly a free to play player since we didn't have much money back then and never did the end game stuff

[@chikilin3306]

Anyone recommend any good KZbinrs that are more educational for OSRS?

[@PewPewShootEmUp]

Osrs is so fun lol simple fun is nice sometimes and the complication of a player driven economy is stimulating for some reason

[@addinator4514]

Man everytime they buff a tower its an indirect neft to genji, buff genji when?

[@thegamingdragon490]

is mercy a good support in this season

[@michals1108]

Now every game we got either widow or hanzo or both. I play qp only now , comp mm is super crap and stinky

[@Anubirai]

Hanzo is so easy to avoid. If you die to an arrow, you deserved it. Moira math 🧮 70 x 100 = 7,000 7,000 / 85 = 82.35 So 17.65% is the difference between 70 & 85

[@Darkrai1431]

please do a support duos tier list

[@neetincleats]

That’s a good point Goblin

[@YoWasupImADude-xv6hi]

Moira is the sombra of the support characters

[@ImDrizzt]

great vod, hey karq, ur a straight shooter, is flats boosted?

[@MichaelJones-rz5sw]

The only 'hot ass' is that you're still playing Runesscape in 2024.

[@GalenMarekOfficial]

Hanzo went from being able to oneshot 0 heroes to 7 to 25 lmao. And its great they removed the projectile size increase on him so hell be more skill based and all the spamzos switch to different heroes the second they cant abuse cheap mechanics anymore

[@jarydjarjarsfasha2998]

My idea for Clash would be to get rid of the 5 point win condition and make it "most points by the end of, say, 7 minutes in ranked, 5 minutes in unranked to win" and allow the two end points to be recapture indefinitely for the time of the match. Or maybe could make end point 5 captures instead of 3 which would end the game if you get all 5 but keeping the Infinite point system when not capturing the enemy spawn 5 times in a row

[@jarydjarjarsfasha2998]

The infinite points and the " if spawn is taken 5 times in 7 minutes wins" could keep games from taking to long or from feeling one sided just for having 1 or two bad fights at your spawn while also keeping them longer than the 2 it can take currently

[@Umbreon_932]

Yeah but if you're getting steamrolled, your getting steamrolled for 7 minutes in ranked? Heck no, I wanna get tf outta that game ASAP!! Not a terrible idea though

[@jarydjarjarsfasha2998]

@Umbreon_932 that's why I added the "if the end spawn point is taken 5 times in a row then it ends" but currently it ends way to fast with almost no chance of a comeback or it's just a back and forth with one almost guaranteed winner

[@dizdez7403]

I do not understand why this isn't called the KARchives please

[@Unlimitedsigmaow]

Finally Sigma getting the buffs he needs

[@ForbidenXShadow]

Bro I love flank zen. Now I can pop off again ( no footsteps is op btw)

[@pocketvices]

Flanking on zen lol

[@koksuzmopsu6037]

Where is tier list?

[@leef9834]

Torb hammer damage is not even on the spreadsheet... disappointing 😑

[@chillstep4life]

Honestly Blizzard should b paying u and all the other streamers who do in depth game testing. You guys actually act like free QC testers for Overwatch bugs

[@TheOnigamer]

Mystery hero changes ruined it.

[@heisamonster]

Open Queue Mystery Heroes is the mode I've been enjoying most. Great

[@vaesmoons]

if you can't read, they just moved the Open Queue into Arcade

[@Hietakissa]

@@vaesmoons they moved deathmatch into arcade, open queue mystery heroes is only available in custom games now

[@dozzl]

thank god hanzo is back, less hp, more charge up and smaller hitbox is worth for the 1 shot. hopefully ppl stop complaining now

[@geert574]

He just completely disappeared in silver so much worse now wont hit a shot 😂

[@dozzl]

@@geert574 honestly i havent been doing so great with him ngl so many sombra, tracer, echo, genji, definitely tough to keep up against them but not impossible. id say revert draw speed that shit is mad annoying

[@JoshuaRAWRR]

I'd watch OSRS videos from you Karq.

[@nobodyherenobodyherenobodyhere]

What does this game look like with no armor.

[@hyperraidsaerofrights5649]

I liked it better when you could deal dmg to yourself as sigma

[@LampDoesVideogame]

*KarQives... such a missed opportunity.

[@WaitsTV]

I LOVE the WoW skins. About time we got another decent Torb skin but I think this is a pretty solid patch. I'm excited for this

[@Blindyeti74]

Hot takes (maybe): Junkrat needs a rework where he gets a jet pack (mainly moves him horizontally cause vertically it’s dookie) and his damage is nerfed for obvious reasons. Then increase his ammo to like 10 and maybe increase his projectile speed. Maybe a few more tweaks as well but that’s the general idea. Next Sombra, Mauga, Mercy, Lifeweaver, Widowmaker, Torb, Hanzo, Dva (because defense matrix is stupid), Reaper (more or less not as important at all), Pharah, and Moira need reworks. Theres probably some more characters that need reworks but that’s just off the top of my head. Also Soldier needs help rip.

[@ghaywoood5]

I hate flashpoint but love clash. I feel like it'll still be KarQ's least favorite even if it's changed for the better due to the nature of it

[@neilmallick20]

I think clash by its nature doesn't give you enough time to adjust to how your teammates play. you're always either dueling someone else or coming back from respawn, it feels rare to actually play as a team i guess

[@Bl1tzkriegx]

Game feels like OW1 all over again. Rat and Hanzo and one shot, cass' hinder is just a weaker flashbang. Why can't Mei freeze if we're back peddling at this point.

[@sentokigames151]

Why does Ana never get buffs only nerfs...

[@lincolnaszhal5527]

Armored Tanks can soak up quite a lot of damage and get heals to survive for awhile. Then you have characters like Roadhog, Junker Queen, Doomfist that just exists to be shot at and hopefully help teammates get kills before they die.

[@RacingSnails64]

Zen getting a raw damage increase is surprising and cool. The discord orb shorter cooldown also feels very nice. Poor Lifeweaver... I appreciate the constant buffs but I think more ammo isn't enough. I think he needs like a poison trait to his damage stance to make his offense more impactful. Otherwise, he's still a hyper defensive character that requires way too much teamwork for the average lobby. Him peppering just a little damage isn't enough to make him a threat.

[@ryanmazureschmidt]

Zen's whole schtick is being the 3rd DPS and enabling the team in a similar way. On the otherhand, Lifeweaver is there to be a strudy, trusty defensive post (say a tree); you also are not giving enough credit to their needler, that weapon is LETHAL at close range and can dominate escaping enemies when combined with his dash.

[@jacobrose4972]

@@ryanmazureschmidtyeah, he’s like a backline bodyguard imo kind of like a brig but with more burst heal

[@user-tz5dd3un9k]

i feel like his should jus have a passive reload, 10 bullets/ sec. leave it at 80 ammo. that way it feels more fluid from healing-dmg.

[@nickarispe6030]

Where is the ana mythic weapon?

[@vaesmoons]

probably last 2 or 3 weeks of the season

[@isaac21r]

Can zen get a dash please

[@Ron742_]

1-shots don't belong in OW, for any hero.

[@stormyweather7528]

Thrall's balls!

[@oOYourdadOo]

Dva doesnt appear to do better because every match has her on both sides. So one dva wins and the other loses lol balanced

[@neilmallick20]

they use unmirrored winrates. that doesn't make her any less frustrating and annoying to play against but still

[@oOYourdadOo]

@@neilmallick20 you say unmirrored, but that doesnt nullify the other dva. They just said they arent comparing the two versus each other but those wins and losses still exist. Two dvas enter. 1 wins and the other still loses. And she was such a common pick, except for myself because I countered her with Junker Queen, Zarya, and Hog depending on the map and my team, even if they decided, none of the mirrored matchups count at all, then that means their only data collection comes from scrubs, where they just pick her because she’s meta but still lose most of the times because they arent good with her lmao

[@TalosEscanor]

When you have a pay skin, i know you are the problem.

[@GalenMarekOfficial]

No way, people are supporting a game theyve played for hundreds or thousands of h for free? What a crazy concept.

[@neilmallick20]

he probably gets it for free from blizzard, being one of their golden children and all.

[@QuadDrums]

Recently installed the game after having not played since OW1. I've kept my aim sharp by playing other fps games and was diamond as widow/McCree. Holy fuck this game is bad, no skill heroes are dominating everything I uninstalled after two matches

[@ginpachi1]

This collab is indeed hot ass (not talking about the Widow skin, either 😂)

[@blahblah49000]

Another buff to Orisa. My interest in this 8-year-old game continues to decline.

[@joshuastreet8664]

thank goodness this was uploaded 3 min ago 😫 i almost went a minute without content

[@themcircles7321]

I pressed subscribe because you said you only play osrs

[@Cat-ml2gk]

Another quality of losing change for LW.

[@voidarzegon3083]

why give everyone 250 hp to get 1 shot by so meny hero's enyway? olso why buff all the dmg and heal output. it makes the 5. extra hp useless... except agenst flanking hero's like tracer genji sombra etc like most players play the call of duty knok off's enyway so why make the really original hero's wurse? i mean com on we have a time traveler a ninja a latina hacker a wall riding frog a god damn wreaking ball!!! why do ppl whant cass widow ashe sojurn to be the dps meta?!!!

[@NatDaHomie]

Can they just rework zen abilities. People complain when discord is strong especially tanks. Harmony orb heal is trash especially with DPS passive and its auto press no skill. No mobility in a more focus mobility game. Ana atleast has heal ability and a sleep. Zen has to fight for his life or play spawn stimulator.

[@randyboyes1]

I’d like to see it give an initial burst of healing based on missing health when applied (it can get a cooldown) or “save up” it’s healing when it’s not applied to reduce the feeling of “oh just throw it on someone even if they’re not damaged”

[@Zekia-c8o]

Bringing back hanzo 1 shot why? 1 shot mechanics in any game are anti fun. Bad enough with how broken widow is now weve got hanzo 1 shotting again. Whats next cassidy right click brought back to 1tap tanks and a return of scatter arrow? Smh

[@yamigloxx2899]

ah yes getting hindered is awful but getting hacked? not that bad tbh 😱

[@runaway74]

Karkhives

[@formofchicken4519]

Sig not doing self damage is a lil disappointing. Gets rid of a cool and ultimately not super impactful tech in exchange for getting rid of a downside that affects no one.

[@chrisjackson2821]

ROLE QUEUE MYSTERY HEROS IVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR YEARS LETS GO

[@jaylennash5058]

As a Hanzo player, especially on consul, this is not a buff

[@SpazerLaser]

id much rather this then question how the fuck the arrow i fired that clearly sailed over that tracer's head magically teleported into her face, killing her.

[@teejay1646]

I mean playing/balancing an fps around console is mental Illness

[@chris61986]

YES. Hanzo no longer C/D tier. He's one of my favorites and it was so much harder to secure a kill than it used to be. Felt bad to nail a legit headshot across the hallway on Colloseo only to have the enemy move to cover for a second and come back at full health. I still haven't played him, so I don't know how the longer draw time feels, but I assume it's roughly the same damage as before, just that you can hold it slightly longer for more damage. On top of that, I now have to be more careful playing a 250HP hero like Ashe. I learned that dueling a Hanzo wasn't much of a threat. Even if he headshot me, I wouldn't die. I can kill him in 2-3 shots (assuming in range), I'm hitscan, AND I have higher fire rate and accuracy. Now, though, I have to actually respect the duel because I can get insta killed. On that topic: You can argue against one-shots in general, and I'm not necessarily against removing them, but you've got two heroes in the game designed around them. If you're going to remove them, then those two heroes need re-designs. Removing Hanzo's one-shot without a re-work made him awful to play.

[@fx3dv2vg7m]

I'm glad with Hanzo oneshot and didn't try it out, but increasing draw time and making smallest hotbox arrow also no wall climb with still 225hp will probably feel like 1 buff versus 4 nerfs. Still I'm REALLY glad the dev team sees Hanzo has problems and they try to resolve it. Hanzo will probably still be C/D tier for now

[@chris61986]

@@fx3dv2vg7m maybe. The thing about the draw time is that it's longer, but there's a damage buff, so the damage is still going to be comparable to what it was before if you release early. Hard to know how the power scales without some workshop mode. But I do think this is just a buff in damage. The reduced projectile size is pretty huge though. Apparently it's now slightly smaller than Widow? Just looked it up. They reduced his size in February when they made the global increase, so he now has smaller projectiles than before the global buffs.

[@Lee-fw5bd]

i like clash so it worries me that it keeps getting changed. maybe it's because I don't feel what the people who dislike it feel but i don't even know what the goal of the changes are. seem really arbitrary to me

[@jermu8706]

you dont feel it because you dont really understand overwatch itself. if you were to have an idea of where your teammates are you would immediately realize what the issue is

[@Lee-fw5bd]

@@jermu8706 i've played the majority of this season in a 4-5 stack exclusively so I don't think that knowing where my teammates are is really an issue. I may not have as deep of an understanding of the game as you (i'm a definitely average player), but it's also presumptuous to assume that anyone that understands the game *has* to dislike Clash or intuit why you dislike it. I just haven't gone out of my way to listen to Clash complaints so I get concerned with the constant tweaks to something i think is ultimately fine and the fact that I'm not privy to why they're tweaking so much doesn't help the unease...

[@neilmallick20]

@@Lee-fw5bd they're changing it because attacking is pointless on the 3rd point and there's too many stomps. its not a bad game mode even if i don't like it and i don't think it fits overwatch. but i could understand how it would be fun in a stack because you are playing with the same poeple over and over, for solo queue it just makes for a frustrating experience, compare to something like payloads where games never truly feel over until the last second, there is always a possibility for a comeback. doesn't feel taht way with clash

[@Lee-fw5bd]

@neilmallick20 ah yeah I do usually play more conservatively on the 3rd points. Just never considered that a bug but rather a feature. Like the decision to invest resources into pushing their spawn or to just do light ult building while getting a better defensive position on 2nd point. In solo queue (especially in quick play) i can see that being way more frustrating Thanks for the explanation

[@Korhi]

Idk, I think higher hp lower damage midrange Hanzo is way more fun and healthy for the game than the long range spam down a choke oneshot log hitbox Hanzo. Only change I don't care for.

[@StephanieMiller-r3m]

Nice misinformation. Hanzo has always had one of the smallest projectile hitboxes. Look it up. Then after doing the global projectile size increase, they made Hanzo's default projectile smaller because it was too strong. Now the bonus size is gone, meaning it's smaller AND the weapon is slower than it was before. Quit crying

[@spOOnOrg]

Just take the one shot and stop complaining, you hanzo mains cried after they removed his one shot, now that it's back you're still crying...

[@Zekia-c8o]

Why not give cass their 1tap back too while were at it and then bastions tank form to 1 tap people because getting 1 tapped is healthy for any game, right? What a anti fun change

[@Korhi]

@@spOOnOrg im not a hanzo main lol

[@davidsosa505]

Clash mode is fun get good, people need to stop bitchin about everything.

[@AutumnReel4444]

Moira buff is very good, her ult exists again lol

[@NatDaHomie]

3 seconds is 255 huge

[@AnakinSkywalker-gw2xv]

I like that Hanzo is finally a threat again but the slower draw speed and having 225 hp really hurts him. Hard to defend yourself in close 1v1s because they can probably get off like 3 shots before I can draw one arrow and hanzo takes less shots to take down. At this point they should just give him the hp and draw speed back at worst he’s annoying but when has hanzo been broken, oppressive or meta since they removed scatter arrow? The answer is Never, They should just give it all back, the draw speed, the hold charge wile wall climbing, revert the dragon strike “buff”, give him 250hp back, if they do all that nothing changes other than him just feeling good to play again, people act like he’s widow or even prime brig levels or broken with the oneshot or the star of a really bad meta when in reality at worst hes just a bit annoying. If they want to ditch the sniper aspect they need to just commit to actually change him or do a rework Also I would sacrifice storm arrow just so her can have his draw speed and 250 hp back

[@anarchistmaverick9507]

Good, there is no reason for a one shot hero to be good at close range. They should also nerf that storm arrow.

[@AnakinSkywalker-gw2xv]

@@anarchistmaverick9507 they can absolutely gut storm arrow for all I care I just want the primary to feel good again

[@lavenderlilacs]

this cass change is killing me bro just give him flashbang back

[@skarloeythomas5172]

That’s a stun, meaning ult cancels. Not happening.

[@walvens3080]

@@skarloeythomas5172 It still cancels things like JQ ult and prevents Doomfist ult, but this way it doesn't need to be balanced for it so he just gets to be a "if they pick this character some others simply cannot exist"

[@FungalExtract]

It actually feels really good ngl, flashbang was cancer.

[@SuperLifestream]

Buff tanks. Make them stronger. Then bring back old release emp and hack

[@jermu8706]

hanzo players are going to realize how hard they have been crutching on the hitbox being a log, and it will be glorious.

[@thepigglywiggly1625]

Not really. The high-ranking Hanzo mains were fine before the projectile size increased. And I'm sure most would rather have 1 shot ability over larger projectile size. At least, I would.

[@wandregisel6385]

High level Hanzo's could already hit the shots, and it's a oneshot again, so it's going to be us who suffer lol

[@daddyethan]

This take doesn't make any sense because you guys were saying this same thing back before season 9, since the start of OverWatch itself honestly

[@concinnus]

Hanjo is one of my most played dps and I hated the projectile size increases on principle (if you want to make hits easier, add strafe spam acceleration). It was funny to win so many duels with widows, but I'd rather have the 1-shot.

[@Zekia-c8o]

Hanzo and widow players puke

[@BrolysShadow_]

Shouldn't Hanzo's HP go back up to 250 since they only lowered it so they could one-shot each other?

[@fiona9891]

it was also cause he got his oneshot back on some heroes, so no if anything they'd have a good reason to decrease it further (not that that makes sense balance wise)

[@anarchistmaverick9507]

It should be 200 like widow

[@ryukomatoi7277]

@@anarchistmaverick9507Not at all, widow is a hitscan hero and Hanzo is a projectile hero.

[@anarchistmaverick9507]

@@ryukomatoi7277 A long range spam hero should not be able to tank hits

[@RainWithTheZaza]

Wow another patch of 0 genji buffs and actually relevant nerfs. Can this game just die please, just let it rest already.

[@Nater_V]

This is such an L update. Sure dva needed a fix, but hanzo buff is stupid and HOG ORISA OH BOY

[@Tendouko]

Hanzo buff is the best they could‘ve done wdym

[@felipebrandemann4841]

Mhytic ana weapon😢

[@AndrewSmith7]

They destroyed my main hanzo. It takes forever to draw an arrow, storm arrows doesn't do much of anything, his ult is wack, they're punishing you for playing skillfully and about accuracy like what's the point in playing him anymore

[@jermu8706]

they just made him take mechanical skill which is not something you are used to. he does more now if you hit your shots but hitting your shots is harder, how is that punishing skillfull play?

[@aidenbrenneman2302]

bro what? your one shot on 90% of the cast takes too long to load are you fr? lmao. also storm arrow is probably the best burst tool in the game

[@keithemerson7662]

I like the dragon zoom.

[@afterthought9538]

I'd have kept the charge rate the same, but nerfed Storm Arrow count instead. The problem with the charge rate nerf plus being 225 HP forces Hanzo to play super passive, which in my understanding was something the team wanted to discourage. Hanzo is a mid range hero, not long range. Storm Arrows is still a brain dead tank buster ability. They kind of got it right, but kind of not. It's an indication that they actually don't understand how Hanzo functions.

[@AndrewSmith7]

@@aidenbrenneman2302 storm arrow is actually weak. Compare him to widow. She has an automatic weapon and a fast charge speed for her gun. Hanzo in close quarters is a wrap. Mccree 2 shot in rapid session or even ashe. He literally has 1 chance before a 1 second draw speed vs all of the rapid fire guns.... So you're saying that's fair?

[@Jajaisjsojppco]

And yet still this game is a fucking mess

[@ArmyofThalia]

Hey, congratulations on beating Radahn! (after he was nerfed) I'm glad you were able to finally get to and beat him now. (he was harder before). You should feel proud! (even though I beat him before he was nerfed, when he was harder). Good job!

[@TR-ju5re]

If only there was a cookie big enough to reward your valiant triumph!

[@oshi313]

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