From Ryzen 7 3800X to 9700X - 16 Games Tested

[@HardwareCanucks]

Well guys, we tried a few things that we'd like your feedback on. First of all, what's the thoughts about condensing 1000p & 1440p into common charts to deliver maximum information (32 different gaming tests) while also cutting down on the amount of (sometimes pointless) talking? Also, we front-ended and expanded power, temperature & frequency testing since that's becoming more important in today's environment. Do you agree? Finally, the 9600X is NOT here but that isn't intentional. Our sample had memory controller issues and we're waiting on a replacement.

[@JamesFox1]

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[@MrSmitheroons]

It's a lot to look at and a little less easy to mentally focus on what I'm seeing in the time it's on screen for 1080p and 1440p results together... but there wasn't a huge amount to see here on this particular chip so it really works to say... not much to see here! Even with all this data! For this chip it really fits. EDIT: The more I get used to it, the more I do like you can get a lot of context in one chart, it's still a lot though! Could go for/against. It both has benefits and is a lot to read at once. Also for this CPU power/frequency is the more interesting thing than the individual gaming results (all kinda meh compared to competitors), so I totally can see putting it first, again. Interesting your 9600X had problems, Gamers Nexus' 9600X also had memory issues! For the person talking about prices, those were launch prices, he was making a point about how they're positioning these at launch, but yeah for veering into buying advice, current prices are good to mention. Wasn't shown on screen, but when talking he did compare the value against current options and said it isn't much of a compelling "upgrade" at all. EDIT: Okay, I see the tiny orange text. Checking prices and having them be accurate by the time your video goes live days later is hard or impossible, in their defense. Their actual commentary on what's good value seems on point IMO. In terms of what they said about it, regardless of the graphics/price figures shown.

[@FiveMissiles]

@@HardwareCanucks it would be nice to have had the 7600x, 5600x, 5700x3d, included. i feel like seeing the results of cheaper cpus really helps people grasp the performance difference with relation to the price

[@MSiAventador]

Microsoft Flight Simulator and Cities Skylines 2 .They seem like very CPU dependent games to me. there were no such difficult games in your test at all.

[@ich_16]

@@JamesFox1 looooooool

[@TheNovashenlong]

5700X3D is best move when upgrading on AM4 to save money. The performance is almost identical to 5800X3D, just slightly lower, but at 200$ instead of 350€.

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

Yeah, that's the one I just got. No reason to get a 5800x3D at this point in my opinion when the 5700 is right there. Unless you want upmost performance. But atp you might as well get AM5

[@andreabriganti1226]

If those are the prices where you live, sure. Where I live the 5700X3D s between 240€ and 260€ while the 5800X3D is between 290€ to 310€ so, both are good choose.

[@cclacss]

Would choose a 5800x3d instead a 5700x3d is a bottom bin 5800x3d with amp up voltage at a lower frequency.

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

@@cclacss I'll take that for how much less it can cost

[@racerex340]

5700X3D is by far the best bang for your buck with gaming when looking at frames per dollar. We have them in the US for $200-$210, while the 5800X3D is usually about 5% faster than the 5700X3D @1080P, they still selling for $340 in the US. The real star in most titles the 5600X3D (with a few exceptions), in titles that don't care about more than 6 cores, it often beats the 5700X3D and usually ties it or is 1-2% below, I've seen the 5600X3D selling for around $150 if you live near a Micro Center and they actually had any in stock. $150 for on average 90% the performance of a 7800X3D while being able to stay on AM4 is just nuts. We built my neighbors kid a B550/5600X3D/16GB DDR4 3600/1TB Gen4/6700XT all new but with a reused case, PSU and fans and RAM for just under $590 and it's amazing for 1080P gaming.

[@korg47237]

5800x3D completely saved me from having to upgrade my entire computer just to keep up with a high end build. That 3D cache is making a world of difference.

[@KyleRuggles]

I currently have a 3700x, its still a great chip! But good to know that I don't have to break the bank to upgrade, the 5800x3d will be my next processor, probably in a year or so, got a rtx 3060. And I only play on my 60hz tv so, mostly at 1080p, so for now I'm good! lol.

[@Ladioz]

I also have a 5800X3D. I am challenging myself to skip Zen 5

[@Sadioli]

​​@@KyleRugglesI've got a 3700x as well and still only a 1080 from 2018 🥵 still usually 90-130fps. Wow that's crazy though still being on 60hz with that hardware? A good 144hz G-Sync monitor is a WORLD of a difference

[@KyleRuggles]

@@Sadioli Lol yeah! I used to use a RX 580 4gb, but just before that I was running an I7 950 with a GTX 460 since 2010 till 2019, I did mostly photo editing so I didn't need a lot of gpu and cpu power all that time. Then I wanted to get a bit into gaming and upgraded to the RX 580 4gb, then I decided to upgrade it all in 2021. Then got a RTX 3060 in 2022. I mostly use it on my tv and I've seen high refresh rate monitors but 60hz is fine for me lol. So given I use my 4k tv at 1080p at 60hz, I'm sitting on a lot of power. I don't have high requirements lol. Tbh, remember when NFS: The Run was released and it was locked to 30fps? Everyone was losing their sh*t, I was fine with 30fps lol, I'm an outlier. heh. Get me a handheld that can do 30-60fps and I'm fine lol. Great system you got btw!

[@petergplus6667]

As any update the last 5 years: not really better just different.

[@MrIownYOUnot]

Of course better efficiency is not as exciting as higher performance. However, it is something I do appreciate when living in Europe with shit energy prices

[@kwamelovell9448]

Everyone seems disappointed in the Ryzen 9000 right now, but I agree with you. This approach is exactly what's needed. High efficiency per watt, lowering long term energy costs and usage while also delivering a slight increase or on par performance. I see this as a win for everyone who skipped out on the Ryzen 7000 launch/ upgrade cycle. I will wait to see what the R9 9950x/ 9900x results will be, but I foresee a similar scenario shaping up. I am all for it. I was going to wait for Intel Arrow Lake in the hopes they correct their efficiency/ power issues but with all the issues they've been having I will just go for the Ryzen 9000 series.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

It is under rated for sure. If I was Amd, I probably would've given the 9000 series 20% more power, but PBO seems to do about that

[@Solrac-Siul]

i is not directly a question of being or not exciting but rather where you as an user sits. If you are for example gaming at 4k resolution like me, the efficiency is kind of redundant since all the current cpus being it amd or intel will drop consumption considerably once they get to a stage where they are waiting for the gpu. So while if you are at 1080 going from 120 to 65 or so looks good , if you are at 4k, where a 7700 was not pulling 120 but probably between 80 and 90, the efficiency gain is considerably more limited, as there is diminishing returns and minimal operational consumption (that is around 25) so a 4k user will go from lets say 85 to around 60 watts what over a year means less 20 euros, or a monthly saving of less than 2 euros each 30 days.

[@SoriPop]

well if AMD pushed those to higher power they would be like 10-20% better than the older ones for the same wattage

[@g30d3d8-xd3xr]

@@kwamelovell9448 Yep, the industry hss been steered to the wrong direction for too long now. It is not just the energy savings you will save money on the cooling solution as well as the motherboard as high quality vrm boards are significantly more expensive usually.

[@andym3278]

I like the concept of this video because most people who will want to upgrade may be several generations behind.

[@KyleRuggles]

Like me! 3700x. But for the moment I'm fine, but glad to know there's the 5700x3d and 5800x3d which won't break the bank, man.. sh*t is expensive these days!

[@haukionkannel]

So true! I normally jump 3 to 4 generations! Waste not want not!

[@battlephenom8508]

The 9700X is not the upgrade you're looking for. At least for $360. There are better options for cheaper.

[@k-vandan]

everybody complained about 95C temps out of the box tbh i like the new changes it is good cpu

[@HardwareCanucks]

They now find something else to complain about.

[@g30d3d8-xd3xr]

At this point only idiots fail to realize that these chips are heavily limited powerwise out of the box. That's how it should be for the average buyer who does not want to go into BIOS to change settings.

[@benc3825]

What’s funny is that the 95C is factually completely safe. The Raptor Lake i9 hits 119C but very little people complained

[@Smallman647]

The problem here isn't the performance but the ridicolous price

[@g30d3d8-xd3xr]

@@Smallman647 Yep, they could have been priced better. However I think amd themselves are going to drop the prices in the near future.

[@MrPrimiR]

Got a 7700 for efficiency, but also to adopt the new socket from the beginning. I'm very happy with my decision, hopefully they launch three or four more generations down the line - the 9700X, so far, is not worth upgrading to.

[@TheRealClaylex]

Thats usually the norm, you don't really upgrade your PC parts until you feel its worth it. 👍🏻

[@MrPrimiR]

@@TheRealClaylex Totally! I just need to add, that a 9950X might be able to sway my opinion.

[@HardwareCanucks]

I think the 7700X is a good blend of all-core performance 8c/16t and gaming so it has a good amount of staying power. On the other hand, the 9000-series isn't being launched as a potential upgrade path for 7000-series users. Its there as an efficiency play for people who might care about power & temperatures while also offering a bit more performance than the 7000-series.

[@TheRealClaylex]

@@MrPrimiRMyself I got a 7950X3D so I'll be good for a WHILE

[@MrPrimiR]

@@TheRealClaylex Yeah that chip might be good enough to last to AM6 - depending on use case 😋

[@Clutch4IceCream]

7950x3d Was my go to, had it since launch and it’s been a brilliant cpu for gaming and multi threaded workloads. I’ll be keeping my eye on the release of the 9950x3d. Also notes on your final thoughts, I don’t think CPUs need to be faster, in a lot of ways they are more than fast enough. We need efficiency and optimization. AMD can see that and I’m all for it.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Good point on that one.

[@spandel100]

Agreed.Looking at you Intel...

[@andreasandersen1792]

Looks like a great CPU for a SFF build

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

7000 non x series is the way to go cuz it is way better value

[@Frychickenisha]

This format is really good to follow, information in the graphs is clear and by continiously talking over it makes for a clearer message instead of introducing each slide with “and here we see…”. And if I want to see more, I can pause the video. Also very interesting to see the 5800x3D is still matching the next gen-non x3D parts.

[@Dawelio]

Absolutely loved the charts, easy and simple to both read and understand. Well done HC! 😊

[@mraltoid19]

Zen5 seems to be more like going from Zen to Zen+, instead of Zen2 to Zen3.

[@SoriPop]

exept about half power consumption improvement

[@turboimport95]

@@SoriPop your mistaken. it uses the same power as the 7700x, the 65 tdp means nothing. it still pulls the 140 watts etc. these are nothing but refreshes.. it does not drop 90 watts he is full of crap. he is referring to tdp.. there is no advantage to the 7800x3d, the 7800x3d stomps it into the ground, he is reading scripts.. benchmarks tell a different story then what he is saying..

[@gorkemefeozkok8967]

@@SoriPop no, zen 5 65w parts exacly use the same power with its predecessor, which is ZEN 4 65W. New ZEN 5 65W is blatant naming scam, they increased prices, and removed coolers for the very same performance.

[@Orientalcorn]

So it looks like my 5800x3D is still the best CPU in that price bracket. Hopefully the 9000 series 3D chips show more potential.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Anyone who bought a 5800X3D during one of those Black Friday blowout sales is sitting pretty right now, that's for sure.

[@Orientalcorn]

@@HardwareCanucks purchased mine for $320 launch year with a motherboard deal at microcenter. I don't even know if I should even upgrade my cpu versus my GPU at this point. Running at 4k is resource heavy but the 5800x3d and 6900xt combo is still chugging along.

[@dammyo6010]

​@@HardwareCanucksthat was me! $290 USD on a black Friday sale.

[@nightryder21]

Got mine for $270

[@gezimlimoni2319]

Combo deal with 7800x3d from Microcenter...the rest is well known 😂

[@EasyYoutubeAI]

00:44: Ryzen 7 9700X offers a compelling upgrade option for Ryzen 3000 users. 02:15: 9700X shows impressive power efficiency, outperforming previous generation CPUs. 04:24: Zen 5 architecture focuses on efficiency rather than significant performance gains. 06:01: Gaming performance of 9700X is competitive but not groundbreaking against older models. 09:32: AMD's marketing emphasizes efficiency, leading to incremental improvements in performance.

[@HM-rz8nv]

It's clear that AMD went the efficiency route this generation. It leaves a lot of headroom for overclocking. a poorly configured PBO can increase multithreaded performance by around 20% in some test

[@tilpesq]

Lower prices and better efficiency. It's alright honestly, AMD knew obviously no one would be wowed, but it isn't all that bad. Now a decent mid range air cooler can deal with these chips easily. I'm getting myself a 5800x3D or 5700x3D anyways though, no hassle with platform changing for now. Thanks Mike, for the great video, short, sweet and very well done. The way the information was presented, the bars layout, really cool and easy to get. Kudos!

[@HardwareCanucks]

Thanks!

[@Ryhillchibulls]

I appreciate the tone of this review. Specifically how it's not doom and gloom.

[@DouglasHewitt]

This was a great video, thanks for highlighting the power efficiency and what someone from an older system like a 3700x might be considering for an upgrade, not just looking at benchmarks and making snap opinions like everyone else. Everyone seems to forget that the 9700x performing like a 7700x but only using 2/3 the power is quite good. Just wait for the 9900x which has 2x the TDP, then zen 5 will stretch its legs.

[@mfam72]

As someone who appreciates power efficiency, AMD did the right move here. Sure it doesn't move the needle for most gamers, but it is still a win for the consumer. Lower price, higher efficiency.

[@erhanozaydin853]

Probably these need a revisit after x870 boards x3d variants and faster memory support kick in by the end of year or so.

[@Saccade_HS]

Once these come down in price, as they surely will, their low cooling requirements will make them a reliable pick. The majority of users outside of high end enthusiasts won't really need anything faster than the 9700x considering GPU bottlenecks. Or just opt for the 7800x3d once those come down in price post 9800x3d launch. Looking forward to seeing the PBO results.

[@evalangley3985]

Zen 5 strategy is for the datacenter and mobile. Unfortunately, it leaves the desktop in a strange place, however the 9800x3D will still wipe the floor in terms of gaming performance. By the numbers we see, you can expect up to 10% higher from the 7800x3D.

[@aqqaluolsvig1564]

So I have the 5800X and thought to replace with 5800X3D, but I am liking the idea of jumping to DDR5 Ram and very hopefully, cooler CPU temps so maybe I am the target audience here since I am not so much of a "gotta be fastest" kinda person. But I wanna see the 9800X3D first.

[@Marc.Google]

Nice to see a level headed discussion of the 9000 series chips.

[@sazankokoshi6461]

This guy is good he is honest not like all those clowns reviewers on AMD payroll.

[@bodasactra]

The 5800X3D stole the show here, in some games its winning over the 7000 series by up to 40 fps while beating the 9700X by a few fps in a few games. Just holding its own would have been great but, the results shown here are nothing short of a amazing. AM4 had more new CPUs introduced this year than AM5 up until the 9000X flops and there is nothing here for 7000 series owners to upgrade to. So much for AM4 being a dead platform and AM5 future upgrades. AM4, long live the GOAT of all PC tech.

[@HonestHans365]

No regrets buying a 5800x3d in December. I didn’t even consider the AM5 platform. My GPU runs games well, doesn’t run hot and is not power hungry. Plays all my AAA games well with a 4070ti Super at 4k on my LG C1.

[@williamyang7611]

I wonder why only some reviewers are comparing PBO with stock for this chip. The IPC improvements from Zen 5 are there, but the mainstream narrative seems to ignore this.

[@Ladioz]

So nice to see efficiency and low temps. I just love that!

[@GyroCannon]

Legitimately happy that, after the last generation with both red and blue CPUs, we can get more powerful CPUs without continuing to crank up power usage

[@BrianLongoria]

Nice! I like the 1080/1440 graphs a lot. Thank you.

[@radeon5447]

I think AMD is in good direction of making 9000 more efficient instead of being power hungry to increase performance. I believe the PBO shall unleash good overall gain or better comparing to older chip since it has a good starting point. The rumor said that next 3D chip would support overclock, it may have something to do with this efficiency. With 4nm FinFET, the chip shall have better performance per watt ratio which resulting less heat as well. Looking forward the testing with PBO enable and overclock.

[@michaelthompson9798]

I feel another ~$30USD drop in price is needed from the Ryzen 9000 cpu lineup on the 9600x and 9700x to make them a more compelling option as 7000 series is decent value atm. Saying that the energy savings and lower cooling requirements is a good move imo while still offer a small performance increase. Im holding personally out for the 9000X3D CPUs to upgrade my rig 💪👍

[@MadelnOahu]

What isnt fair by most critics is that the 9000 series is able to match the 7000 series are much lower power input, which for me is a huge win. It means that your room wont get as hot as before

[@Ronald-gu3ft]

So it's cheaper and you can run it with a stock cooler, which makes it cheaper still, and it uses less electricity, which makes it cheaper, and use a smaller case and a smaller power supply etc etc

[@HardwareCanucks]

That's the way I see it. IMO, that's a good thing and real progress....because seriously, who cares about more gaming framerates on an RTX 4090. With a more attainable GPU like a 4070 Super or even 4080 Super the gap between EVERY CPU would diminish drastically.

[@F1stzz]

If this power efficiency path continues to be followed successfully, in 20 years the 4000-series Nvidia & 9000-series Ryzen will be looked back at as the ones that paved the way for futuristic compact PCs, mark my words here 👌🏻

[@jeanytpremium]

X3D chips are terrible in multithreading, they are for gaming only and basic stuff. the other CPUs are different. Comparing apple to oranges it's pointless. If you buy Intel for gaming you are doing something wrong. Only enthusiast or workload should buy Intel. The average user can't feel the performance difference between 5700x and the 9700x. The real comparison is between 9700x vs 14700k and 9600x vs 14600k. If you throw the X3D in the mix then they are 20% better in gaming but 40% slower in multitasking

[@user-dx5tu6yz7t]

great review!!!! LOVE the WHITE 140mm PEERLESS ASSASSIN in the background

[@realgamer1998]

AMD trying to conquer the laptop market now.

[@haukionkannel]

So true! This generation seems to be perfect for laptops!

[@F1stzz]

They're trying to make your PC fit into a backpack, to start with. Give it a thought.

[@shoobadoo123]

As someone with an 8 liter case, I love the efficiency gains and temp drops

[@mrchefcheck]

I went from the 3600 to 9700x with the micro center bundle. Crazy difference.

[@opensourcedev22]

This video was made for me. This is my situation. Great idea

[@bobs1540]

I’m really impressed still with my 3800 X. Of course, it has shown at Sage but it’s still keeping up. I got it paired with the 6750 XT and all title so far or above 60 FPS 1440 P. Of course, with some FSR help.

[@michubern1444]

Did you play space marine 2 or robocop?

[@Tribsu]

Would been nice to know the difference on 4k if any. Other than that good review!

[@DavidAlfredoGuisado]

The performance of 5800X3D in Cyberpunk 😮

[@Dameworth]

Still using a 3700x and I’m hoping to use it a few more years on a 1080p monitor. Trying to buy a house in this economy 😅

[@Clutch4IceCream]

Don’t, interest rates are not worth it. I paid 236k for a house in 2019 with a 1.8% interest rate. Todays rates it would be nearly 500k and 6-7% interest

[@KyleRuggles]

Same here! It's STILL a great chip, I upgraded to it and an RTX 3060 from an I7 950 with a Gtx 460 from back in 2010 bout 3 years ago and I have no recent plans to upgrade. I play games on my 4k tv at 60hz at 1080p, I'm fine! lol. I think we're good for a while. P.S. You could always go tiny home! A good 50-70k and being mobile with a solar setup? If you don't mind minimizing and don't have a bunch of kids, it might be something to look into. ^_^

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

​@Clutch4IceCream Fools advice. Interest is not a deciding factor when buying a home, it is just the easiest to complain about. Interest was 18% at one time

[@Clutch4IceCream]

@@tuckerhiggins4336 it isn’t fools advice now is the wrong time to buy 😂.

[@troletrain]

​@@tuckerhiggins4336uhhhhh, interest is absolutely a deciding factor. A high interest rate makes the difference between hundreds to thousands of dollars monthly. Someone has clearly never bought a house. Just stick to renting.

[@dennyroozeboom4795]

There is no efficiency play. NONE! Everyone who follows the space knows about the 7700 (non x). The 9700x brought neigh nothing for most people. For those that did get something out of it are not watching these videos.

[@atnfn]

It's not lower price either, the 7700 even comes with a CPU cooler and is much cheaper and only 7% slower. These reviewers just bought AMDs marketing BS without questioning it at all. Zen 5 is a total overpriced flop.

[@DanielYoshida-xz7uv]

Its good to see energy efficient processors. I think this new generation of cpus are already too fast for most of users. I'm an architect and I work on heavy renders and multitasking. My 3900xt still rocks!

[@mysterymachine693]

For us paying over £0.20 per kwh say we use it on average working and for gaming the CPU alone will save you £30+ a year in contrast to the previous gen. That is just with 8 hours of use per day at 300 days a year. Let alone easier to cool so in the summer it helps. Also, I am upgrading from a 3700X Ryzen 7.

[@BrandonBaecker]

It's about time they started focusing more on efficiency. I actually don't mind the focus on efficiency over performance. I do have to sit next to my computer, and it'll be nice to not have it feel like a furnace. Even if you have a beefy cooler, that heat still has to exhaust somewhere.

[@MrSiddhartha99]

What was the power consumption of 9700x during cinebench r23? 21,000 in pbo? If pbo enabled then what is the power consumption and temp?

[@gomagate3485]

Next fan roundup when???

[@Cheeseypoofs85]

dont forget, we still need to wait for x870 boards to release. we could see an uptick in performance from those

[@TheMerwais]

This honnestly such a good review

[@robertmyers6488]

The 1440p numbers tell a different story. How many game predomintly at 1080p?

[@cashandraven2369]

I have been completely impressed with the new chips, hell even the 9600x is 80% of the performance all around compared to the 7800x3d at HALF the TDP, and that is straight out the box, that is huge. If your only concern is gaming FPS, sure these are sort of a let down but for the average consumer these chips are a win, as well as a win for the SFF builders as 65w TDP is much easier to deal with.

[@ryanthomas9306]

My frames don’t matter when modern games blow. I’m still using 2600x and all my games are 90 frames plus in 1440 p with shadows turned off

[@omegajvn1]

Honestly, I feel like there's a lot to like in the 9700X. Mostly for the folks that like to make SFF builds. The 9700X may be on par (more or less) with the 7700X, but given the fact that it take SIGNIFICANTLY less power and is SIGNIFICANTLY cooler to run while basically maintaining the performance of the 7700X, makes this PERFECT for SFF computing! Its a step in AMD direction of their Ryzen lineup. Zen 1 brought a complete redesign and brought more than 4/6 cores to the masses. Zen 2 brought the chiplet design which was a boon to AMD's bottom line to focus on Data center and workstation markets, which SIGNIFICANTLY boosted money for further R&D. Zen 3 brought a refinement of the Zen 2 architecture by unifying the CCX's into a single CCD, as well as bringing one of the best innovations in modern CPUs: 3D-Vcache. Zen 4 brought performance scaling with respect to increased speed (previous generations didn't get more performance when increasing Ghz where Zen 4 did). Now Zen 5 is bringing efficiency into the picture. Zen 5 3D-Vcache chips are going to be MONSTROUS for gaming performance as well as gaming efficiency. Zen 6 is going to be (from what a hear) a very significant change from previous architectures. Very much looking forward to that!

[@gakuyax]

I upgraded last year to a 7800x3d. Best purchase so far imo.

[@Aloysyus]

In the next video please check all kinds of inbetweens, not only 88W versus 142W and unlocked. Because that is something nobody else reviewing those chips seems to be doing. I'd like to see the performance at 100W, 110W, 120W...

[@HardwareCanucks]

While PPT can easily be set on Intel chips the same can't be said about AMD CPUs

[@Aloysyus]

@@HardwareCanucks How so? It can be set manually in BIOS and Ryzen Master as far as i'm concerned. Or did they change anything with 9000 generation?

[@denisruskin348]

Dude the 5800x3D is surreal. I’m on an aging i7 7700K and actually considering that one as my ram is high end and would only need a new mobo. Thoughts on the 5800x3D for 3-5 years of gaming? 1440p and 4K.

[@HardwareCanucks]

CPUs won't be a limitation for framerates in general. Neither will high end GPUs to be honest. Performance these days seems to be tied to optimizations (or lack thereof) in games themselves.

[@anayman7]

Yes it is finally time to upgrade to Ryzen 5700x3D from Ryzen 2600X, or I might wait a bit till the second hand price of that CPU is around 100$ from Aliexpress, this is the most logical upgrade, no need to change board or RAM

[@Alice.59]

You should add a Rimworld TPS test to check for single core performance in simulation games Something like a map where you spawn a certain amount of enemy and see the max TPS

[@Edooo20]

When you do tests with Pbo, please include also 1 moderate Ppt configuration,. Somewhere in middle between 88watts and the unrestrained 170-ish watts... Maybe 120 watt PPT.

[@HardwareCanucks]

That's interesting since we never hit 170W even at the highest PBO setting.

[@Edooo20]

@@HardwareCanucks der8aier for example, his 9700x drew 165w with PBO

[@gamer8622]

The 7800x3D is one of the best purchases ive even made. Got it on holiday sale for $359 US

[@HardwareCanucks]

Killer price

[@gamer8622]

@@HardwareCanucks for sure! It was a black Friday deal at Best Buy

[@zo594]

Feels like they could have a community champ here with a 9300x but I assume something something fab allocs, higher end chip demand..

[@digital_w]

Офігезний огляд. Чудово що спочатку зробив порівняння в споживанні енергії - різниця з Intel колосальна

[@noticing33]

Wpuld be great for mini pcs while maintaing performance, thats all

[@F1stzz]

Which is a second step towards SFF PCs becoming a norm. In few years ATX as a go-to form-factor for mass consumers will start fading into obscurity, the shift has already begun with the release of Nvidia 4000-series.

[@adamstarek8597]

I have a 5800x3d and 4070ti and I have no reason to change anything

[@thinktwice5035]

Will use the 9700X or 9900X for my office PC to replace my 3800X. Don't need X3D for not gaming, so I'm sure it's a good choice with a good price tag and an even lower power draw.

[@dumbcow1]

So, this gen is laptop or small profile champion. And with that thermalhead room, i can really see AMD pushing the new architecture harder. And later bios might unlock power limits and let us push it higher this gen.

[@RaidenB]

Have a separate production pc (5800x) & gaming PC (7700k) - when my 7700k system eventually gives up (overclocked), ill definitely go for a ryzen X3D

[@benchvirgin4243]

At 4K , my 5950X and 4090 , if I upgrade , big if , 5090 reviews is what I am waiting for .

[@manmansgotmans]

The framerates between the 9700x and 7800x3d in your benchmarks are pretty similar. Why is there such a big difference on other channels?

[@Ttallonn]

wish we had some temps with these fps numbers. If temps are the same on the 7800x3d with those fps it definitely negates buying a 9700x

[@Kmcornell23]

Don't forget about the 5700X3D. There's definitely some value there if you're more on a budget.

[@Poxtor]

im going from AM4 to AM5 this gen, so im lookig forward to what else ZEN 5 dishes out, in Denmark where i live power is insanely expencive unless its pretty windy outside, pro/cons with wind power ;)

[@PaintMasterPoE]

I guess 9700x, 9600x will be best choice for tiny pcs with some low profile coolers

[@battlephenom8508]

You'd think that, but the heat coming off the IHS isn't ideal. It can easily push 90C on a good 360 AIO with PBO. AMD failed to improve the die to IHS heat transfer.

[@PaintMasterPoE]

@@battlephenom8508 not enable pbo? It's not that much performance for much more power consumption

[@andrewvirtue5048]

I have a 3800x. This is basically literally double the performance. 200% gains!

[@eivisch]

I am buildg itx system and this looks pretty ok cpu for that

[@F1stzz]

Pretty banger CPU to go with the smallest case possible at that 😁

[@noticing33]

9000x3d probably only gona be like 10% better than 7800x3d

[@tim3172]

I know that just mentioning "test another CPU and spend another 20 hours, nbd...) might seem pointless buuuutttt. The 5700 X3D has gone on sale for as little as $165 (!!!) and offers some ~94% overall gaming performance (with many games being within the margin of error) to of the 5800 X3d. That gives it a *dramatically* different value proposition vs the $300 5800 X3D, and should be the clear and obvious choice for anyone on AM4 already. (The price does fluctuate, right now it's $192 on Amazon... still much cheaper than the 5800 X3D.)

[@HardwareCanucks]

We are willing to go above and beyond if the community wants it. Regardless of staffing costs. However, availability of that chip is pretty spotty outside of some regions so it's a bit hard to justify moving resources from other projects.

[@AustinFerguson]

My NCase M2 just arrived for my sfs build - Going to be going 800 series chipset motherboard + 7800x3d - just gonna rock that - but want the newer platform motherboard.

[@mraltoid19]

If and when the 9600-vanilla comes out for $230, it would be a good upgrade from a 5800x3D, if you want a new platform.

[@TruzzleBruh]

As someone with a 3800x rn I'm definitely thinking about upgrading, but the real problem is my gpu. I have a 5700 xt currently and have since 2020 but I don't want to upgrade both if im keeping the same cpu platform, and my gpu needs an upgrade sometime soon. Maybe I wait for 2025? Just not confident in buying on am4 if I'm going to want to upgrade for both productivity and gaming in the near future.

[@Montisaquadeis]

No reason not to use the 5800x3d over the 3800x. Since it's the best option of the AM4 platform

[@rwk1013]

I just wonder how well the 9700X pairs up with something less than 4090fe. Like maybe a 7900 XT or GRE. I know we don't want a GPU bottleneck but not everyone can afford top of the line.

[@ManicSV3]

I just bought the 7950x3d. Couldn't pass up two free games. Hope I don't regret it

[@HardwareCanucks]

You likely won't.

[@DavidMiller-dt8mx]

For people wanting a big jump, I have one word: overclocking. The thing has unprecedented headspace.

[@smarthousetech8593]

Planning a new build and got the 7800x3d for 370 last week

[@KoniasPK]

AMD will definitely wait for the release of the 3D version to release the new chipset. + Now, paradoxically, the most economical and yet powerful option is to go for twelfth generation Intel. For example, to the i7 version, where the prices are very low and you avoid the current problems that Intel has.

[@krazyolie]

These haven't been tuned for gaming, they will have the x3d range. Enterprise will like the power savings. This means lower energy costs, cheaper coolers, cheaper power supplies..

[@tomobarker]

I'm still rocking a Ryzen 5 1600 keep forgetting how old it is...

[@HRobert91]

so, the 9700x hits a lower temperature in the full workload scenario compared to Cyberpunk? at the same power draw. is this accurate?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Correct because in the gaming, its munching on some excess heat being distributed by the GPU.

[@KAMS-r3s]

Amd should've only launch these new cpu for europe only , electricity there is expensive but in north america we need 105watt versions for more performance , amd please release 9800x for us , Maybe its fir those who are still on zen2 should go for zen5 9700x , it will offer massive upgrade , those on zen4 should not buy zen5 , golden rule always skip 1 generation and wait for zen6.

[@alxfort39]

The Zen5 architecture will easily overake Zen4, its the nature of the beast. They needed to lower power consumption before they can raise performance. People are being way to critical imo. But when the x3D Zen5 comes out people will understand there is a method to the madness

[@m_jameem]

It's been so many years, but I'm still using my Intel i5 3470 and GTX 760.

[@ksouvenir5561]

The Intel 14700K was benchmark here on the video 🎥 with DDR4 or DDR5 memory? 🙄

[@HardwareCanucks]

DDR5+XMP.

[@avgjoesgamin9935]

If you’re sticking with AM4 forget the 5800 X3-D. Save yourself money and go with the 5700 X 3-D. It works just as good.

[@wado5151]

i think the 9700x is good but when it comes performance and efficiency id want a 9900x cause 9900x packs more of a punch but compared to other x3d chips is still low enough power to air cool in a small form factor which i like cause i hate bulky coolers that can damage my pc if it moves ( stupid worry plus they look better visually in my opinion)

[@mariolp2999]

Have you tried running the 7700x with modified eco mode settings.. it's basically the same as the 9700x efficiency...