Getting lazy, Steve? Where are the Win98 comparisons.
@caffz2 ай бұрын
Too new, needs some MS-DOS benchmarks
@Oversensitive-S-poster2 ай бұрын
@@caffzway too new, we need some QDOS benchmarks
@dulouser17512 ай бұрын
Personally, I'd prefer Windows ME benchmarks, preferably with the additional information how many benchmarking runs resulted in blue screens.
@DeathComeInPeace2 ай бұрын
you mean win98x3d
@Simon_Denmark2 ай бұрын
Where's every single linux distro comparisons? Getting lazy...
@club4ghz2 ай бұрын
Windows 10 has one spyware less running in background, that's why it performs better.
@Breakfast_of_Champions2 ай бұрын
W11 added computing new vaccines in the background.
@Animal_lives_matter2 ай бұрын
You better be kidding
@Adrian-is6qn2 ай бұрын
@@Animal_lives_matter He's not there's a lot of data mining being done in background though it's in windows 10 as well, it can be disabled though but it requires some tech knowledge or YT video guide for most people.
@GewelReal2 ай бұрын
Debloated both perform very well. I'm not downgrading from Win 11 ever
@alexmannen19912 ай бұрын
compare background ram usage too
@RotaryJunkie2 ай бұрын
Win11: Theoretical improvements in scheduling completely murdered by added background garbage.
@tedstriker42782 ай бұрын
That was my only point to think about upgrading, rumor had it that 11 handles the damn e cores better.
@K31TH3R2 ай бұрын
@@tedstriker4278 I'm very confident that MS made the e-cores MUCH more efficient at harvesting any data they might be able to sell. After all, Microsoft has made it very clear that Windows is no longer their product, we are the product.
@imnotusingmyrealname45662 ай бұрын
@@tedstriker4278Simple solution, don't buy CPUs with e-cores. They are ancient Intel Atom cores from when hyperthreading was in its infancy. It's incredible how garbage they are. Intel is looking to release new CPUs without e-cores that will be much better. The e-cores give you nothing, no performance, no efficiency, because they are so old.
@MrNside2 ай бұрын
@@RotaryJunkie I mean, that basically describes win10 over win7 as well.
@RotaryJunkie2 ай бұрын
@MrNside I mean at that point Win98 was literally the best Windows of all time. I got down to like 9-13 running background processes. Was important when trying to game on a 733mhz Celeron clocked to 913 🤣
@Tech2C2 ай бұрын
I would like to see a Windows vs Linux(Steam+Proton) FPS comparison!
@WarriorProphet2 ай бұрын
Linux will be about 10% faster than either windows...so much less load on gpu and cpu to just run the desktop
@slickysan2 ай бұрын
@@WarriorProphet Lol gl with that 10%
@notjustforhackers42522 ай бұрын
On AMD systems using a modern distro, with modern features. Fedora KDE for example. The truth of it is, taking the average, there's not much in it. Linux does tend to win out with older API's and emulation, but with X11 and 12 games, translated to vulkan, you really wouldn't know which OS you're running. The experience is excellent on AMD I can tell you that.
@tablettablete1862 ай бұрын
Me too
@Yamyatos2 ай бұрын
@@WarriorProphet In native games, a couple percent probably yeah.. the issue is there is too few native games, so we need to do a fair comparison. As soon as some extra layer is involved, performance will drop measurably. And that is the case for the overwhelming majority of games. On the other hand, way less overhead.
@rzkrdn86502 ай бұрын
HU keeps making benchmarks videos based on intrusive thoughts. And i love it
@James-dc6ft2 ай бұрын
The ending without music was so disturbing, I can never recover from this.
@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx2 ай бұрын
Its because future is so grim
@ruxandy2 ай бұрын
I literally thought that my speakers (or sound driver) went crazy. 😁
@vincenium2 ай бұрын
Haha exactly, wtf
@Fractal_blip2 ай бұрын
Just started the video. Clicking off now
@alpha007org2 ай бұрын
I'm literally shaking in fear!!!
@Zenzuu2 ай бұрын
*Benchmark Results:* *Baldur's Gate 3:* No performance difference between the operating systems for both AMD and Intel CPUs. *The Last of Us Part One:* Windows 10 was slightly faster by 1-2%, but the difference is minimal. *Cyberpunk 2077 (Phantom Liberty):* Significant performance gains on Windows 10, with up to a 10% increase for AMD's 7800X3D and a 6-7% increase for Intel CPUs. The reason for this discrepancy is unclear. *Hogwarts Legacy:* No performance difference between Windows 10 and Windows 11. *Assetto Corsa Competizione (ACC):* Windows 10 provided a slight performance boost of around 2-3% for both AMD and Intel CPUs. *Spider-Man Remastered:* Similar to Hogwarts Legacy and The Last of Us Part One, showing no significant performance differences. *Homeworld 3:* Windows 10 offered a performance boost of up to 6% for the 7800X3D and 4% for the 7700X. Intel CPUs saw a 3-5% improvement. *A Plague Tale: Requiem:* Windows 10 showed a 5-10% performance boost for AMD CPUs and 3-4% for Intel CPUs. *Counter-Strike 2:* Windows 10 provided consistent performance improvements, with up to a 10% increase for the 7700X and an 11% increase for the 14700K. *Starfield:* Windows 10 offered up to a 4% boost for AMD CPUs and a similar improvement for Intel CPUs. *Horizon Forbidden West & Hitman 3:* No noticeable performance difference. *Watch Dogs Legion:* Windows 10 showed up to a 2% performance increase. *Summary:* Five out of thirteen games tested showed noticeable performance advantages with Windows 10 over Windows 11, particularly when core isolation was disabled. The reason for Windows 10’s superior performance in some games is unclear, but potential factors could include recent Windows 11 updates or display driver issues. Generally, a clean installation of Windows is recommended for better performance and stability compared to upgrading from an older version.
@radosuaf2 ай бұрын
You could have added that in almost all these marginal cases W10 was still the faster one :).
@ultimatekirbyfan73032 күн бұрын
They did @@radosuaf
@tastincars2 ай бұрын
Hasn't Microsoft said that they were focusing on Gaming in 2023 on Windows 11 ?
@fleurdewin79582 ай бұрын
Shhhhh...It's a conspiracy theory that gaslights you to keep buying new PC hardware , by making your rig seems slower.
@robertcarhiboux31642 ай бұрын
No, they focus on spyware and control of user's computer. They said win 10 will be the last version of windows and there will be not win 11. There is win 11, with online session by default. I'm pretty sure they wanted to rent win 12, but with rumours spreading about it, they wait for win 13 to rent it, and if you don't pay you will have a trash version with spyware and advertising for mafia companies all over your desktop.
@Billybaka2 ай бұрын
you gotta read between the line and understand , quote : we are focus on spying on you and have the most data possible tracked from you. lol
@HybOj2 ай бұрын
they always lie, like the ol Bill
@mihalex17572 ай бұрын
Leave Microsoft alone. They do care deeply.
@ZomgZomg0072 ай бұрын
Perfect timing. looking forward to 9800X3D. I am still on Windows 10, even on Alder Lake i've had 0 issues.
@IstyManame2 ай бұрын
Alder lake is which gen could you remind me pls, is that the one that crashes often
@KoItai12 ай бұрын
@@IstyManame no; it s 12 th gen; basically intel s last good gen
@alistermunro70902 ай бұрын
@@IstyManame Alder Lake was 12th gen. The AMD chips were crashing and melting while suffering dead USB ports back then.
@w00tz0rDS2 ай бұрын
@@IstyManame No, it's 12th gen. The name and number is mentioned in this video at 2:40
@sic22l2 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure new Ryzens are Win11 only.
@Lucromis2 ай бұрын
I've kept Windows 10 on my primary desktop because I have had zero reason to switch to 11 and it just works.
@JEdVcM2 ай бұрын
Of course it does. Same here. 2025 is when things will get interesting though.
@despairdx2 ай бұрын
Ofc but wait till support ends and same will happen and it will be in the same place as windows 8
@Jayy_R22 ай бұрын
@@despairdx then just get ltsc
@aravindr49862 ай бұрын
Doesn't matter, game developers will completely switch to windows 11.@@Jayy_R2
@josephtechub7320Ай бұрын
@@despairdx Support? what support? I've disabled windows updates in the registry since 2022 and it's still running fine today lul.
@WayneLinoriceАй бұрын
Would be nice to do this again with the 24H2 update
@bren.rАй бұрын
I was just thinking this. Also should debloat W11 before testing.
@FORGOTTEN1_Ай бұрын
@@bren.r well not everyone will debloat, that makes no sense. Tests should be done in stock windows not variants.
@andersjjensen2 ай бұрын
Please Valve... keep hammering on Proton. I'm SO close to not needing to dual boot between Linux and Windows, and I'm waiting, with bated breath, for Hardware Unboxed's "Linux is finally a viable operating system for gamers" video.
@RamonInNZ2 ай бұрын
Just the anti-cheat apps causing the problem mostly. Would dearly love DayZ on Linux...
@benjaminoechsli19412 ай бұрын
I'm ready to put on my tux, too!
@PragmaticTornado2 ай бұрын
If Linux gets to the point where it can comfortably run all games with only minor performance degradation, or indeed none at all, then I'll make the switch too. That's coming from a sysengineer that only worked with Windows, both server and consumer editions. Sick and tired of the ever increasing bloatware.
@Mattia_982 ай бұрын
It has been a viable option for many years already.
@andersjjensen2 ай бұрын
@@Mattia_98 BS. I've been in the PC space for thirty years and I've been using Linux since Debian 2.0. "Viable option" does not mean "If you make enough compromises on software compatibility" or "spend hours or weeks on forums to hand tune a Wine prefix file and hunt DLLs from dubious sources".
@marktackman28862 ай бұрын
its because windows 11 is just win10 with stuff added on which increases overhead
@nekilik892 ай бұрын
Linux vs Windows would be great
@Fierces172 ай бұрын
Came exactly to post the same thing. Would love to see a Linux vs Windows!
@gorgnof2 ай бұрын
yes pls
@Iceman-hb3uk2 ай бұрын
When W11 wins it does by 1/2 FPS, when W10 wins it does by 1/2 FPS at least, almost 20 FPS at best. That's like a different CPU level of performance difference.
@DiGz_Au2 ай бұрын
20 fps is nothing. Like a mild oc on a cpu.
@Iceman-hb3uk2 ай бұрын
@@DiGz_Au dude... 20 FPS difference with OC means an amazing OC lmao, do you even own a PC? OC on a CPU increases mainly 1% and .1% lows, 99% comes from GPU. Before commenting next time inform yourself.
@De-M-oN2 ай бұрын
@@DiGz_Au 20fps is massive for just an other OS lol. and yes even for OC its big
@v000000000000v2 ай бұрын
@@DiGz_Au imagine buying a new CPU for 15% boost and then your OS takes 10% away from you lol
@growlanser56002 ай бұрын
This only really matters if you play above 60.
@HypnoticSuggestion2 ай бұрын
I was happy with Windows for the most part for a very long time, except for a large portion of the XP era. But their practices have given me a lot of pause. I spend about half my time on Linux Mint now, and I think it won't be long before I ditch Windows entirely. MS has made it very clear they're not interested in user experience, and what's happening with Proton is amazing. Using Linux again after like 15 years has actually been a ton of fun.
@AdadG2 ай бұрын
Linux Mint is superb.
@maxzett2 ай бұрын
Would've actually loved to see how both would perform after being "debloated" with the common resources out there
@awemowe28302 ай бұрын
Yep. This video is basically pointless without that...
@LeConseilDuRap2 ай бұрын
@@awemowe2830 there are already benchmarks with debloated "WINDOWS" and there is no difference between a bloated and debloated windows 10 or 11
@damara22682 ай бұрын
the same.. everything new in the core of w11 was already ported to w10 as well. W11 is W10 with added security and extra bloatware
@RobloxianX2 ай бұрын
Best time to make a video like this. With Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 getting support up to Jan 13 2032, Windows 10 is a serious consideration
@oldRighty12 ай бұрын
How many people have Win 10 enterprise? Google shows some people selling keys, but the official MS documents seem to point at an enterprise agreement / subscription.
@kamild_2 ай бұрын
@@oldRighty1 They don't, unless they somehow got their hands on one from some company, in which they maybe work for. The secret ingredient is piracy. Sure, LTSC means you could use Windows 10 securely for longer, but I don't think it'll stop third party software/drivers from cutting support for 10 anyway.
@GewelReal2 ай бұрын
@@oldRighty1you don't need a key to use Windows
@CaptainKenway2 ай бұрын
@@kamild_ Broad support for Windows 10 won't end any time soon. Even after the mainstream support ends next year, Microsoft will then begin the ESU program, where you'll be able to pay an annual fee for another three years of updates. Previously that was only available to enterprise customers, but Microsoft are apparently planning to roll it out to regular consumers too. And why not I suppose. It's pretty much free money from people who don't want to upgrade, since they'll be producing the updates anyway for businesses. That'd mark late 2028 as the "real" end for most versions of Windows 10, but even then support won't end overnight. Most things still support Windows 7 here in 2024. Mozilla recently announced that they're considering extending Firefox's end of life for Windows 7 again. Even an online game like World of Warcraft still has Windows 7 as its minimum requirement. Windows 10 will become the new turd that just won't flush, unless Microsoft can get its house in order and produce something that sucks a lot less than Windows 11.
@griffin13662 ай бұрын
Timer res and FSO have been broken since W10 2004 (or 20H1). No point using it.
@justsomepandawithinternet2 ай бұрын
The last time I was this early nobody had dumped 700k of inheritance into Intel stock yet
@Imagine-882 ай бұрын
LOL
@vagkalosynakis2 ай бұрын
Too meta
@oldschoolpanels2 ай бұрын
Wait... Is that guy legit? Has anyone found the transactions? That Reddit post Felt a little trolly, but still oddly plausible
@jammaschan2 ай бұрын
@@oldschoolpanels idk lol they made a follow up post which makes it feel doubly as troll but also doubly as real so I'm just confused
@ranjitmandal16122 ай бұрын
😶
@raulsaavedra7092 ай бұрын
And before Oct/2025: Windows vs. Linux: Gaming Benchmarks
@marcelolopezsilva3792 ай бұрын
Setting an eye on Linux gaming would also be very useful in my opinion as it is becoming an attractive and more private, yet very functional, alternative to Windows. I currently use a Linux system with Fedora for programming but I can say it's getting easier to navigate, install apps and a bunch of other activities with the GUI. Just like Windows but you have full control over your privacy and frankly it's really smooth and a fresh experience. Although it still has it's little details to work on and probably one should still know about command line, you could always just dual boot to mess around on Linux but still have Windows.
@aladdin86232 ай бұрын
Linux newbies can also try an immutable desktop Linux distro . If they mess up something they can reverse the state to a previous one
@yosefm170Ай бұрын
Issue is that many anti cheats dont work on Linux
@jonascoscom2 ай бұрын
Windows 10 feels much lighter less unwanted apps and services
@khushpreetsingh50072 ай бұрын
This is the exact thing people said who claimed windows 7 was better than windows 10 which is objectively wrong
@fateunleashed96802 ай бұрын
@@khushpreetsingh5007 The term is confirmation bias
@XxViperMortalxX2 ай бұрын
@@fateunleashed9680 i have to say... Windows 11 is better... After having windows corrupted beyond repair this week, i decided to give w11 a shot, and holy shit its good now. They let u uninstall all the shit u couldnt before, edge, cortana and all that bullshit, i also always run windows with tPM off, and all those fancy security bullshit that w11 has and 10 doesnt so fuck it, insta disable. After playing a bit, performance is about the same, but one thing he cant show in the video but i could EASILY feel is how smooth games were, like WORLDS diference. Now ima have to use w11 😅, hate the extra clicks to do the same shit but oh well its better. For reference, cpu is 5600x and gpu 6650xt Oh and no, it isnt because its a fresh install, i do a fresh install ocasionaly and never had any improvement using w10
@hihtitmamnan2 ай бұрын
@@XxViperMortalxX show measurements. Your opinion doesn't matter in this case.
@XxViperMortalxX2 ай бұрын
@@hihtitmamnan 20cm soft, 7,5 hard 👍🏻
@jadebytearts49362 ай бұрын
Steve : back to you Steve Steve: Thanks Steve
@kaseywakefield56412 ай бұрын
Must have been watching Grand Line Review
@Хорошийигровойканал2 ай бұрын
Need proton vs windows testing. Thanks Steve.
@gerarderloper2 ай бұрын
I doubt Steve or anyone at HU even knows how to 'setup Linux for gaming' let alone choose a decent distro and set it up for gaming...
@YuraL882 ай бұрын
@@gerarderloper ubuntu is quite easy to install, you need only usb drive >=8 gb, internet connection, ~100-200 gb free (unallocated) disk, 20 minutes and a little patience.
@sinephase2 ай бұрын
@@gerarderloper LMAO cuz it's so hard?
@gerarderloper2 ай бұрын
@@sinephase for those who have never touched linux before in their entire lives. Yes it seems so going by reddit posts with cold turkey attempts at using Linux. lol
@boirfanman2 ай бұрын
@@gerarderloper That's probably a small subset of 'not-so-bright' individuals. Some may give up on things too easily, too. It's really not that hard. Turn off secure boot and choose to boot from usb. That's it really. If you want both OS's, unhook the Windows drive before you boot up.
@Electrodudimanche2 ай бұрын
I'd love to see you perform Linux benchmark. I know there would be A LOT of linux complaints about their favorite distribution, config, etc...
@deadman59852 ай бұрын
As a Linux gamer myself, I couldn't agree more. So many different distros, settings, kernel flavors...actually impossible to come up with a standardized testing approach. A good start, however, could be to use a distro that's officially supported by the CPU/GPU manufacturers which would be Ubuntu I guess (not an ubuntu user myself, but I wouldn't complain).
@notjustforhackers42522 ай бұрын
@@deadman5985 Its the Kernel that is supported by "CPU/GPU manufacturers" ( not NVIDIA ) not the distro.
@Electrodudimanche2 ай бұрын
@@deadman5985 Clear Linux would be in that case the best middle ground ? It's an intel sponsored distribution. And since it's content for gamers, an "out of the box" ( unboxed ? :D ) experience, no patch, no kernel, no modifications what so ever. mesa driver for AMD GPU and official drivers from Nvidia ( proprietary currently ) installed from the package manager.
@WayStedYou2 ай бұрын
All the linux users will have a meltdown because he didn't use their distro of choice
@franklehmann37852 ай бұрын
A good option would be to use the Flatpak version of Steam. That comes with its own MESA version and thus makes things quite independent of the used distribution.
@Hirens.2 ай бұрын
A great idea for a follow up video would be testing both Windows versions before and after installing AtlasOS on top of them and comparing the performance difference.
@VTamas35122 ай бұрын
I'm getting my new pc in a few days with a 7800x3d and a 4070 Super and this came at the perfect time because I couldn't decide between the two. Thanks!
@vannapy2 ай бұрын
About to build the same system, good luck
@Yamyatos2 ай бұрын
Honestly, im not sure if i would *buy* Windows 10 now. I'd (and will) definitely *stick* to Windows 10 if you have it, but buying it with only 1 year left until they discontinue service? Might be safer to go with Windows 11 for peace of mind. Not like the above were insane differences anyways, and chances are they will be fixed now that some data is putting W11 in a bad light. But by all means.. im not a microsoft fan. I hope they release 12 before W10 has its end of service, and if they dont, or 12 sucks.. i'll just switch to linux for good. Which may be an option for you too. While i didnt look into it too much, there is gaming oriented versions. Should be the fastest option for native games aswell, since there is a lot less overhead. That said, not everything has native support and if you need to put another compatibility layer between your hardware and the game, it's gonna tank performance a bit aswell.
@GewelReal2 ай бұрын
Get 11 and debloat it
@HanSolo__2 ай бұрын
@@Yamyatos There is no such thing as "1 year left until they discontinue service". After 2025 you will not get security updates for example updates on libraries of Win Defender and you will not get new functions and features. That's it. 95% will not change. There is no reason anyone should run to switch from 10 to 11. since even Microsoft officially pulls back original features and broken updates for Win 11. The main problem with Windows 11 is Windows 11.
@Yamyatos2 ай бұрын
@@HanSolo__ The service microsoft provides is literally the (mostly security) updates. Discontinuing the service means just that. Nobody said you couldnt use windows anymore at all. You can also still use XP.. but you'd be stupid to do so. Windows 7, less dramatic, but same story. As soon as a major security issue is discovered, you are not safe anymore. For someone who *exclusively* uses their PC for gaming that may or may not be fine.. but if you do some more serious stuff on it aswell (online banking, ..) you definitely should care.
@ryanheath5284Ай бұрын
Should this video be re-done with the new windows update that boosted ryzen performance?
@mohammedkalamchi544Ай бұрын
Thats what i have been searching for. If you know any of such videos please tag me
@KhizarKhan20012 ай бұрын
would be interesting to see this test on lower end hardware
@hihtitmamnan2 ай бұрын
Exactly my thoughts. And that's a majority of the PC users.
@shringe97692 ай бұрын
Linux gave me over %20 bump on my low-end laptop over W10. The lighter weight operating systems should have increasing advantage the lower end hardware you use.
@gametest84262 ай бұрын
OK, I did extended testing (7800X3D RTX4090) with my system and I have the following conclusions: a) Steve didn't turn off Core Isolation successfully or/and b) Windows 11 24H2 is significantly faster than Windows 11 23H2 or/and c) Shader cache was not fully compiled on one of the systems I've tested CP2077, Plague Tale Requiem and The Witcher 3 (with RT). All tests at 1080P fully CPU bound. All the results are on my TW account. Windows 11 is as fast as Windows 10. The difference is often 1-2fps (always in favor of W11 except 1%lows in CP2077).
@PenguinsAreColdish2 ай бұрын
how much worse are 1% lows?
@andred.23352 ай бұрын
As of today, we now know that b) is true
@PenguinsAreColdish2 ай бұрын
@@andred.2335 is it recommended to upgrade to 24h2?
@gametest8426Ай бұрын
@@PenguinsAreColdish I would say 4-5fps typically in-game and 10-15fps in benchmark
@PenguinsAreColdishАй бұрын
@@gametest8426 damn, october 10th can't come soon enough. are you saying the 1% lows are better in windows 10 for cyberpunk?
@LUNATIC752 ай бұрын
I have a 7800X3D sitting in its box (along with all the other bits) waiting for when build my new system on Monday, I must resist the urge to start it now! As for Windows 11... lol. I'll switch to Linux first.
@despairdx2 ай бұрын
Same, resisting the urge till the last piece comes in a few days
@Jayy_R22 ай бұрын
@@despairdx honestly if you got alot of the main stuff together might aswell because it does take quite a few hours to put it together nicely
@Jayy_R22 ай бұрын
@@despairdx ive changed platform from b550 5600x to 12600kf and b760 then my gpu 6650xt to 6800xt just waiting on the 6800xt to come in the mail
@EhNothing2 ай бұрын
Good testing and test results. It would be really nice to know where the difference in performance came from where it occurred, so if you continue digging into things like resource usage, processes, limiting factors, etc and find it, please post another video with the update.
@tlita932 ай бұрын
What about using AMD GPU? Did you do some short testing just to check if the margins between 10 and 11 are similar. We saw different CPU overhead with Nvidia and AMD, which was always better on the Nvidia side, but recently the tables have turned, so maybe it’s more significant in this scenario as well. 🙂 Cheers mate
@ZerofoolBGАй бұрын
Steve, could you please do the comparison once again after Win11 24H2 is released officially, and please add Zen 5 to the mix. Also, please disable all virtualisation features directly in the BIOS, like Wendell recommends, just to be sure.
@Oliver-fy6xy2 ай бұрын
You forgot about HAGS (hardware-accelerated GPU scheduling) which is disabled on 10 and enabled on 11 by default.
@internetuser4689Ай бұрын
Which should improve Windows 10 perf even more!
@ThunderingRoar2 ай бұрын
Would be really interesting to see how linux compares to windows in terms of gaming performance, something like Arch or Fedora.
@trixniisama2 ай бұрын
There are distros made to simplify the gaming experience. Better prefer them or test SteamOS.
@ThunderingRoar2 ай бұрын
@@trixniisama Idk Ive never used Linux, but its been in the back of my head ever since win11 has gone downhill. Wanted to give it a shot but i keep hearing that NV cards have issues with wayland so i hope those those problems get ironed out first
@malcaniscsm51842 ай бұрын
@@ThunderingRoar If you have a single screen setup, you're fine. Problems come when people have heterogenous screens
@michalsvihla14032 ай бұрын
@@malcaniscsm5184 Don't forget your single screen also needs to be scalable by either 100% or 200%. If it's anything in between, prepare for hell.
@notjustforhackers42522 ай бұрын
@@malcaniscsm5184 KDE Plasma 6 under Wayland has pretty much solved that issue now...... and so did xrandr back in the day.
@AthanImmortal2 ай бұрын
Thank you for all the effort, especially with double and triple checking your Cyberpunk 2077 results. I recently moved to Linux Mint for my gaming, would you ever consider doing a Windows vs Linux on these higher end components? I know Proton has overhead, but still think it might be an interesting comparison.
@kvtan7Ай бұрын
Time for a revisit after the latest Win 11 update that boosted Zen 4 and 5 performances ? 🤔
@YourGraveyardАй бұрын
You might want to revisit this if the latest Windows 11 update has improved overall CPU performance by a considerable amount.
@voytrekk93052 ай бұрын
Would love to see a comparison to Linux as well. A gaming focused distro like Bazzite would be good as well as a more mainline distro like Ubuntu or Fedora.
@winj3r2 ай бұрын
Steve, you disabled Core Isolation's memory integrity. But did you also disable Virtual Machine Platform. This can also cause a significant performance loss. Even MS recommends disabling these 2 features to optimize gaming performance.
@Alexx_802 ай бұрын
This. ON AMD systems it's called "CSM support" in BIOS.
@MattStofko2 ай бұрын
Came here to say this as well. Disabling Core Isolation does not disable VBS. In recent Win11 builds all virtualization features need to be removed, including Hyper-V.
@Manakuski2 ай бұрын
So if i disable virtualization support from bios for my intel CPU, this will ensure all of these are disabled?
@winj3r2 ай бұрын
@@Manakuski We can't post links on youtube. But if you search for "Options to optimize gaming performance in Windows 11", one result will be from Microsoft, telling how to disable both settings.
@winj3r2 ай бұрын
@@Alexx_80 CSM simulates a traditional BIOS environment, enabling the boot process for older operating systems and software that rely on BIOS functionality. It's not related to Virtual Machine Platform.
@griffin13662 ай бұрын
HAGS is enabled by default in Win11 while disabled in Windows 10. Might have impacted performance.
@martinjennings2992 ай бұрын
That is exactly what I was thinking. They don't state if they are disabled or enabled!
@phlogistanjones27222 ай бұрын
@@martinjennings299 I would argue that using "default" setting in both would be a "more fair" assessment. Steve did ALREADY disable ONE of the unneeded bit of cruft in Win11. Complaining about the OTHER bit of cruft seems... well.... Peaceful Skies.
@chrisblack62582 ай бұрын
Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling?
@griffin13662 ай бұрын
@@chrisblack6258 ye
@Lukashoffmann942 ай бұрын
Shouldn’t it supposedly help the performance in a cpu limited test though?
@hunn200042 ай бұрын
Linux benchmarks wen?
@BatteryBee2 ай бұрын
Just curious: Would the performance hit from Core Isolation only be present when CPU bound? 🤔 In other words, If I were to play a game on Win 11 where I was maxing out my GPU (e.g. Cyberpunk with RT), would Core Isolation on vs off have any effect?
@mp92252 ай бұрын
Some cache usage inefficiency issue in Win 11? Definitely staying with Win 10 until it is end of life
@Sirius33222 ай бұрын
You'll have to pay for it eventually
@eclxys2 ай бұрын
use LTSC
@GewelReal2 ай бұрын
Debloat the 11
@kionera962 ай бұрын
@@Sirius3322 You won't. Microsoft gains nothing from forcing users to pay to upgrade from W10 to W11, they want as many people on W11 as possible so they can shove all the trackers/ads/AI nonsense in your face.
@richardlighthouse53282 ай бұрын
Win 10 LTSC IoT edition has support until 2032.
@arestavoАй бұрын
Interestingly, Wendell from LevelOneTechs very recently found some funky behavior with core isolation not actually being fully off in Windows 11 unless you turn off SVM in the motherboard settings.
@kano6720Ай бұрын
This would be interesting to revisit with the new Win11 performance gains.
@WayneLinorice2 ай бұрын
There's no reason to "upgrade" from windows 10 to windows 11. It's slower, has a shittier interface, and has less features. Its overall a pretty large downgrade
@aberkae2 ай бұрын
Time to upgrade from windows 11 to windows 10 🤪!
@pedrofelck2 ай бұрын
What is a "shittier" interface for you? What features Windows 10 has that 11 hasn't? And what about features that 11 has and 10 not?
@sonic0642 ай бұрын
@@pedrofelck right clic menu for example in less than two steps or drag a file to a x program. Basic stuff
@pedrofelck2 ай бұрын
@@sonic064 I haven't used the "show more options" for a long time since all the apps that I use already support the new menu and dragging to the taskbar has been fixed in a while too. When was the last time you have used Windows 11?
@sonic0642 ай бұрын
@@pedrofelck Can you move your task to the right/left/up/down?
@Alexandra-Rex2 ай бұрын
Excellent timing. I have been wondering about replacing W10 with a lightweight W11 installation.
@GewelReal2 ай бұрын
both Win 10 and Win 11 perform the same after a debloat
@Jakiyyyyy2 ай бұрын
It dozen matter. If you debloat Windows 11, you will get Windows 10 performance. The vanilla experience is what actually holding it baxk. 🤷🏻♀️
@roccociccone5972 ай бұрын
Both suck. Win 11 just sucks more
@TheJohn_Highway2 ай бұрын
You'd have to pay me to use 11's abhorrent interface
@happyputt97092 ай бұрын
@@TheJohn_Highway Dead right hours of manipulation to be still unhappy with its layout, especially the start menu
@willwunsche69402 ай бұрын
Nice I have been thinking of upgrading to Windows 10 from Windows 11 for awhile now
@radosuaf2 ай бұрын
DO IT
@Gab-e4w2 ай бұрын
I personally migrated to linux for gaming, fully accepting i would lose some performance in exchange of a cleaner, leaner operating system. Pros and cons. they're on both sides.
@Berkelll2 ай бұрын
Well in 2025 we will be forced to go for W11, but tbh it's a lot better than it was in the past. I was staying in W10 to this day, but trying W11 is nice, the only minus was that annoying windows tab. Also they announcent an W11 update for Zen3-5 performance increased
@jessew4127Ай бұрын
Would love to see a revisit after the 24H2 update improving amd performance
@EnsianceIАй бұрын
And I’d love to see the amd 5000 series cpus in the test
@lande.r12 ай бұрын
Hey! Is your arctic liquid freezer iii pump loud? Just got mine and it’s louder than the fans sadly.
@georgethecat88652 ай бұрын
There are too many tech channels on youtube so I've decided I'm only going to watch ones that hit two out of three criteria. Fabulous hair, beards & cats. You're sailing awfully close to the wind here.
@Lem_On_LimeАй бұрын
Can you repeat the test with the new 24H2 update? As I'd like to know how much that affects the results.
@edR_mcd2 ай бұрын
I would never thought but, I'm making my slow switch to Linux. How well that OS grew so far these last years! Just getting more comfy and then I'll make my full switch to Linux
@connivingkhajiit2 ай бұрын
good luck man. Highly recommend Mint to start with.
@LachskoenigIV2 ай бұрын
You'll go back once you get sick and tired of spending an hour fixing every minor issue.
@mrnicktoyou2 ай бұрын
I ran Win11 and I actually had glitches in games, with weird black patches on the screen or weird bugs in VR games too. I went back to Win10 and all the issues went away. Im staying with Win10 for as long as possible.
@morgunua2 ай бұрын
Can you try disabling virtualization support in bios and check if W11 perf is getting better, I bet disabling Core Isolation works differently in W11 and W10. Was TPM enabled for W10? It’s enabled and required for W11.
@Bensam1232 ай бұрын
My guess is regarding CB2077 difference is related to SMT. The thread scheduler in W10/11 are different in how they handle things. I would suggested trying to mess around with the SMT toggle in game and probably would've found a setting that yielded identical performance. This could also be a reason for the differences in other benchmarks as well, CP just being one of the best examples that has had issues with it in the past.
@kepszlok2 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to include Linux too in these tests. Linux can be faster than Windows even with running a windows only game with proton, because of the much less resource requirement of the OS. I did these kinda test on my amd gaming pc. For example Cyberpunk is a bit faster on Linux than on Win10 2021 LTSC, and that's the most lightweight version of still supported Windows you can install.
@riazali43622 ай бұрын
Amazing steve, great job. Would love to a see a comprehensive video that optimizes a new PC from scratch. (Bios, Windows, AMD/Nvidia GPU and CPU settings, etc.) on average.
@exmortis44042 ай бұрын
Would be interesting if the same behavior is seen with an AMD and/or Intel GPU.
@markhackett23022 ай бұрын
They don't, because they DON'T LIKE Linux. It's worse in that to some extent they're right to not do the test, at least for some time: they will NOT know how to test or what to look for or how the differences "could be" something they, not knowing Linux, are causing to happen or hiding from happening, and not for some time. They would have to get someone who does gaming on Linux to work with them, either paying them or collaborating with them to earn that time off the Linux guru who knows how to find out what could be "wrong" with their setup. Wendell could possibly do it, but he's got server work so well paid to do, and I don't really know that they know anyone else well enough to even ask for help. It is therefore a chicken-and-egg problem. Until they spend many actual hours slaving away testing and doing work on gaming Linux, which means less work on Windows that they can display as a video and make mucho dinero off, they can't DO anything with what they find because the problem, if they find it, may be PEBKAC, and if they don't find a problem, it may be PEBKAC again hiding it, either making the Linux appear worse than it is, or hiding the problem that makes it worse. That and several of the games they WANT to play are unavailable on Linux, often because the anti-cheat requires ring-0 access and a direct hole they are told how to exploit FOR THAT KERNEL. Others they dropped because Windows doesn't play them any more, but they do under Linux, yet will never find out because they have dropped that game already, and you can't miss what you don't bother looking for.
@sphbecker2 ай бұрын
@@markhackett2302you just replied to a comment about AMD/Intel with a wall of text about Linux. Click the wrong comment perhaps??
@BBMorti2 ай бұрын
@@markhackett2302 Linux users are insufferable
@LachskoenigIV2 ай бұрын
@@markhackett2302 nevermind Linux isn't suitable for the average user, it's also a bitch to compare since there are so many possible versions.
@arthurlongshanks2 ай бұрын
Amazing data man - thanks for your hard work
@1Grainer12 ай бұрын
damn, and here i wished it had 7950x3d also, to compare if "amd scheduling problem" is the same on both of those edit: ok, so i guess they retroactivel'y added scheduler to windows 10? whole windows 11 shtick was about making intel p and e-cores stable thanks to scheduling!
@predabot__67782 ай бұрын
Cache-scheduling and P+E-core scheduling is really not the same thing though... Although, yes, E-cores have less cache than P-cores, there are significant differences between the core-types, other than cache. So, win11 scheduler wouldn't necessarily improve things for AMD cpu's.
@1Grainer12 ай бұрын
@@predabot__6778 both are core scheduling, and easiest way to make that would be by grouping them by clock speeds, which x3d cores have lower, same as e-cores other thing would be if it was defined by hand for every cpu, which would exclude ryzens, but as a programmer, i'd go for more universal approach rather than defining all case by case
@razoo9112 ай бұрын
with 7950x3d in 90% of the game there is no difference between win10 or 11 because OS use preferred cores for the few game with scheduler issue on both OS download process lasso (it replece task manager and it's much better) or ryzen master add exe file,(you have to do it only the first time) select only first chiplet and voila you have better gaming performance than 7800x3d...
@joshman52172 ай бұрын
Very interesting video. Thanks Steve and team!
@Pocketkid22 ай бұрын
Even the interface of windows 11 feels more sluggish in general compared to windows 10
@mryellow69182 ай бұрын
Have they fixed the search bar yet? Or does it still not work?
@Pocketkid22 ай бұрын
@@mryellow6918 The windows 10 search bar was already bad, so there wasn't much to mess up in windows 11
@Eepy-RoseАй бұрын
I think part of it is that when right clicking on a file it always has that simplified view first and at least half the time I have to click into a new menu to do what I could just do regularly with Windows 10
@Pocketkid2Ай бұрын
@@Eepy-Rose Right, but the interface to do so was much snappier on Windows 10
@Eepy-RoseАй бұрын
@@Pocketkid2 yeah I'm saying I agree
@ferencdavid176320 күн бұрын
In case of intel hybrid CPU Does it matter that there is no thread director (optimization of p and e cores) in win 10?
@dIggl3r2 ай бұрын
No music at the end of the video? Editor missed that one? 😃
@mariom19392 ай бұрын
W11 22h2 was very nice, just smooth and snappy. I could see with a naked eye 23h2 slowing down my desktop interface and I'm on a 12700. You can investigate that for the difference
@mathys99612 ай бұрын
Hey, any plan of doing VR benchmarks? It would have been great in this case
@federicocatelli87852 ай бұрын
It's a very small niche 😅
@mathys99612 ай бұрын
@@federicocatelli8785 That's true haha, but it's pretty hard to find a comparison without any bias or bad testing conditions
@SparkySven2 ай бұрын
@@federicocatelli8785 15 mil peeps fly in MSFS2020 and in November MSFS2024 that even has better VR so not so niche soon....
@SparkySven2 ай бұрын
avoid Windows 11 Version 24H2 because that will have native OpenXR WMR runtime stripped so no more VR with HP G2 and other headset that uses that native build in VR. That's why I'm sticking to Win11 version 22H2
@DiverseGreen-Anon2 ай бұрын
What if I am using Valve Index? Should be no problem when not using mixed reality stuff or am I overlooking something? @@SparkySven
@tramapolean2 ай бұрын
Great info again, thank you! Of course, I do worry about that Intel 14700K in there, and I hope it is not one of the bad ones and all this work (actually using it) risked killing it. Very brave of you!
@3wandjina2 ай бұрын
I wonder if disconnecting the pc from the internet changes anything.
@DarthJarJar102 ай бұрын
Thanks for this! Perfect length! My only request was to consider mainstream Core i5 or Ryzen CPUs too.
@RotGoblinАй бұрын
This may need revisiting with AMD and the Windows 11 24H2 update
@DiGz_Au2 ай бұрын
Thanks mate, Quick question was the amd systems using latest amd chipset drivers and latest nvidia drivers. Also was hags enabled for w10?? Cheers
@Kristjan_N2 ай бұрын
so is this nvidia drivers or the OS? imho you need some AMD data as well just to make sure we are seeing what we're seeing.
@sphbecker2 ай бұрын
@@Kristjan_N I highly suspect he used the same driver version for both. If that driver performs differently between OS versions, than is exactly what this test is meant to highlight.
@CLV.2 ай бұрын
Nvidia's driver problem has been around for a long time, but no one wants to talk about these problems for some reason
@sphbecker2 ай бұрын
@@CLV. what driver problem are you referring to?
@andersjjensen2 ай бұрын
@@sphbecker Nvidia's driver has higher CPU overhead then AMDs because Nvidia handles some thing in software that AMD has a hardware block for.
@sphbecker2 ай бұрын
@@andersjjensen nvidia patched the high CPU bug months ago. If you claim is true, then that is not a driver issue or bug, that is by design.
@arar323332 ай бұрын
Correlation between gpu scheduling and memory integrity? whilst watching this, i checked this (unknown to me) feature on my win11, and memory integrity was disabled by default
@devpartap97482 ай бұрын
please do a windows vs GNU/linux Gaming Benchmarks.
@pakaka9523Ай бұрын
You should really test some CPU heavy games/engines. I.e. Cryengine 5.11 Hunt: Showdown 1896, Unity Escape From Tarkov.
@Bearcat299Ай бұрын
This must be redone with the new 24h2 update! Should bring some pretty interesting results
@HandleIsNewAndBad12 күн бұрын
Comparing Windows 11 a few month back versus its current state, the max FPS I get in Valley Benchmark has improved from 150+ to 180+. It could also due to swapping to 2Rx8 RAM vs 1Rx8, or simply disabling Game Mode in Windows though.
@MichaelChan03082 ай бұрын
Perfect timing for the video! thanks
@BrokeDad12 ай бұрын
Thanks for including the 12700K. The generation is often ignored in benchmarks now but I guess it's more relevant with the 13/14 gen issues. I've been Intel all my life but started buying AMD (recently bought some mini pc's for general use) and am looking at the 9950X3D when it releases as an upgrade path.
@BruceDickinson6662 ай бұрын
Has the windows setting "Hardware accelerated GPU scheduling" got anything to do with these results ?
@traxex1172 ай бұрын
Doubtful both windows 10 and 11 have HAGS
@Frozoken2 ай бұрын
@traxex117 yes but it's bugged on win 11 on some configs including my own. Mine performs better w it off
@themarketgardener2 ай бұрын
@@FrozokenMine performs better without HAGS too on Windows 10 though
@Dazzxp2 ай бұрын
Hmmm interesting... what graphics card? might be a setting i should play with but i doubt it's massive difference. I could see some games not liking it however.
@maou50252 ай бұрын
Just left it on. Hags is required for proper framegen anw.
@clumsykoala36992 ай бұрын
@hardware Unboxed , can you start including frame times on the graphs ? or you dont think this helps to ascertain "smoothness" on the gameplay ?
@anujmehta30512 ай бұрын
The day Linux is a viable option for gaming, WINDOWS will be...well out the window!
@ed16592 ай бұрын
Perfect timing! I'm building my dad a new pc and i was wondering if i should keep w10 for him or "upgrade" to w11. We shall keep win10 userbase higher than win11
@alexg3502 ай бұрын
I'm guessing windows 11 must be debloated, using for example Chris Titus script, in order to run it efficiently. By default it has a lot of junk and not the best config.
@НААТ2 ай бұрын
Even debloated its still slower then win10 on my 7600x 32gb 6200 cl28 and 7900XT system. Even with atlas os. Ill stay on win10 for now.
@markhackett23022 ай бұрын
Thing is that is not the experience anyone gets off it, and if Windows11 were allowed some third party tinkering with the OS, then Linux could demand it. IMO they should do it, but they should test the use of Linux gaming, especially older games, native, proton and wine/clones. Yet do to so would require a lot more work from them, and work they aren't ready for but worse do not want to do anyway, and if the latter rides high, then ANY failure won't be investigated as to whether it is them not the OS, or the game, will be blamed for on Linux and explained away as a game problem for Windows.
@Fin4L6are2 ай бұрын
@@НААТ has debloat helped at least?
@НААТ2 ай бұрын
@@Fin4L6are it definitely helps. Before my current setup I had a amd FX 6350 and a GTX 960. That was when I noticed the most improvements. Now I just do it cause I like having an optimised system for gaming.
@gerarderloper2 ай бұрын
sadly microsoft re-enables spyware services after the titus script during updates. Eventually you end up with bloat happening again.
@yzonkerАй бұрын
It's Win 11 23H2 that's the issue I think. I see a significant performance loss going from 22H2 to 23H2.
@satchguitar842 ай бұрын
I suspect in the games you are seeing the big difference in max fps with the same 1% lows is because you are seeing the game being the bottle neck while the OS is waiting, much like cpu vs gpu at 1080p.. its just exposing how much more head room there is in W10 on those titles.. I know its a big ask but with how much proton and gaming on linux has advanced, it would be awesome to see a linux comparison thrown in as well. I haven't tested Nobara Linux, but it looks to be pre-confiugred for gaming. Wendell seems to like it.
@thespacebar86432 ай бұрын
Just to confirm my sanity, but are your camera focus settings so that there's a bit of a hazy / blurriness with your background (GPU boxes and the like?
@barrupa2 ай бұрын
The simple fact that Windows 10 manages to be any faster at all already shows how much of a downgrade Windows 11 is. You are trading performance (even if just a tiny bit) for essentially no other improvements on what's essentially a re-skinned worse performing Windows 10.
@Adel-sj4ue2 ай бұрын
I guess u missed the most important cpu that really need this comparison which is 7950x3d To figure which windows version will deal better with the non V cash ccd problem 😢😢
@JoeHakai2 ай бұрын
the performance decreases is because windows 11 has too take periodic screenshots of your play session :P
@Lakefield_2 ай бұрын
I wish this video came out a day earlier :D Just finished my 7800X3D build last night and thought about going back to Win10. Reinstalled Win11 instead. Would have given Win10 another shot, at least until end of support next year. Gonna do some testing with the mem integrity off now :)
@dr.tobiasgoodfellow51742 ай бұрын
Cool! What’s your list of components for that build?
@Lakefield_2 ай бұрын
@@dr.tobiasgoodfellow5174 so the 7800X3D sits on a Gigabyte B650M Aorus Elite AX Rev. 1.0. (wanted the ASRock Taichi Lite but was almost double the price than the Gigabyte in my region). Arctic Liquid Freezer 3 360 AIO. Corsair DDR5-6000 CL30-36-36-76. And ASUS ProArt 4070 Ti Super. Got it in a Fractal North XL case. Not sure if i keep it. Looks really nice but panels are a bit thin and i'm not sure how often you can remove the front panel bevor some plastic breaks off. Fans are quite loud too. Thinking about replacing it with the ASUS ProArt PA602 case. :)
@6ch6ris62 ай бұрын
still no interest to switch to Windows 11. So many stupid changes and little to no improvements.
@Six_Gorillion2 ай бұрын
But its specifically designed to use the Intel memecores. Don't you want to use your memecores? Please?
@6ch6ris62 ай бұрын
@@Six_Gorillion no I have AMD giga Chad cores
@Taldirok2 ай бұрын
@@Six_Gorillion Who needs that when you can be a chad X3D user with no need for this BS.
@HughHo2 ай бұрын
Shout out to Tim for being a great hype man for monitors in the ad spot. Everything at HU keeps getting better over time.
@dinnerbone_02 ай бұрын
ok back to win 10
@dridri64522 ай бұрын
Windows 10 is better :) You got it
@Koozwad2 ай бұрын
would be very interesting to see more operating systems included, down to XP or further if possible, using hardware that supports the most operating systems possible a true battle of the Windows