Does the Ryzen 7 5800X3D Work With B350 & X370 Motherboards?

[@LuisC7]

My Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5 cost $80 open box 5 years ago. It's almost a top tier motherboard. And now I can stick a 5800X3D in it!!! AND YOU BENCHMARKED IT!

[@theplayerofus319]

Great deal

[@ichizos9615]

SAME!

[@mrtempertantrum]

I had the gaming 7 version, but wound up selling it with the 1800x and 3200mt/s memory when the 5000 series chips came out. I'm glad to see that the friend who bought it for her daughter's first gaming pc will be able to upgrade it!

[@Mr1Tanker]

Same...i've got the K7

[@SuperibyP]

SAME! really great motherboard, too

[@MrMrGuy]

I started out with a Ryzen 1600 and B350 board in 2017. Over 5 years I've upgraded to 3600 and now a 5600. It's unbelievable how much value and longevity AMD has offered with it's AM4 boards.

[@ConstipationNation]

I currently have an MSI B350 mother board with a ryzen 5 1600 installed but I am looking to upgrade to the Ryzen 5 5600. Did you have any issues when upgrading? What BIOS version did you update to for the 5600? Thanks.

[@cfif_asd]

У интел все намного круче.... В жизни не куплю платформу на интел)))

[@broniusbronka2703]

@@ConstipationNation Yes. you will need bios update and problem your R5 1600 will not work anymore! It would be much simpler if you had 2600 or 1600AF or any other Zen+ Cpu. I have 1600AF I'm already upgraded to correct bios for 5600.

[@xxDERMO]

Hi are you getting any issues my games stick some times no Idea what it is everything else is upgraded

[@kdia62]

Im literally righ her with you 1600 3600 X now the 5800x3d! So proud of my build only evolving never truly being started over

[@zsoltszegedi8995]

This is gonna be interesting. Thanks for doing these type of benchmarks. It's much appreciated!

[@Maax141]

Just helped a friend upgrade his Ryzen 5 1400 to a Ryzen 7 5800X on his Asus Prime X370-Pro, which back then I suggested him to buy considering the socket was going to be supported for a long time. Glad to see it paid off and we made a good choice. Great video as always!

[@kyle8944]

Have the same board with a 1600. Super excited to get my hands on a new cpu.

[@LynXHimself]

You are a good friend! Much respect!

[@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026]

I have the same board with a 2700. Thinking hard now!

[@mapesdhs597]

@@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026 NB: if your main use case is gaming then any proper Zen3 SKU will be a good upgrade, but if your focus is producitivty then choose carefully only after doing more detailed research, because for threaded workloads such as Blender, transcoding, etc. I found my 5600X to be more or less the same as my existing 2700X (the former a gaming setup, the latter an office machine also used for video encoding). In other words, for tasks that can use all the cores, moving from a Zen+ 8c to a Zen3 6c may show little gain, in your case for example if you switched to just a Ryzen 5600, ie. it would need to be at least a 5600X to show any productivity gain, preferably at least a Zen3 8c of any type. For gaming though it's a no brainer, even a 5600 would be a nice bump. Just thought I'd mention because modern pricing might encourage some to effectively step down a tier (in terms of core count) when upgrading from Zen/Zen+ to Zen3; doesn't much matter for gaming, but it does make a difference for productivity or perhaps mixed scenarios such as gaming + streaming/encoding.

[@RyTrapp0]

Wow, a 1400 to a 5800X is an ABSURD upgrade LOL, that's awesome. Honestly impressive that he made it this long with a 1400 - I say this having started out with a 1200 + ASRock B350 Pro4 to test out Ryzen on the cheap.

[@mix3k818]

A 5-year product span for a motherboard. Now that is a really good result. Here's to hoping AMD doesn't at least fall short from 4.

[@FinneousPJ1]

They did increase th pin count by 29% so I hope it is somewhat future proof 1718/1331 = 1.29

[@leosalonen1564]

Isn’t it six years now?

[@ThaexakaMavro]

@@leosalonen1564 yup 2016to2022 edit 2017to2022 so 5 year indeed

[@clark85]

@@Typhon888 can you put a 12900k on that mobo??? nooooooope

[@SunMasterXIV]

@@Typhon888 the idea is about the longevity of a socket, not for how long a CPU will work. Can you put Intels top CPU from 2016 in that motherboard the 2600k sits in?

[@danchovanes2612]

I bought an R7 1700 / X370 setup in May 2017 and here I am in 2022 still able to drop a fresh CPU in it. Fucking incredible.

[@UmbraWeiss]

I will probably change my 1700x to an 5900x or 5800x3D, and wait for am5 to be optimized the next 1-2 year:))

[@sehabel]

I bought a very cheap R5 1600X / B350 setup in april 2018 and now I can install a new 150€ CPU for a very strong performance improvement in recent games. Best deal of my life

[@mizdodge]

i bought r5 1600 with an b350 in 2017, and now my B350 rocking with R7 5800X3D, and i so much love it :)

[@maimaibiri9045]

me with z370 in regret :(. the only worty upgrade is 9900k, which is freaking crazy expensive to this day for a 4yr old cpu.

[@notarotomwithhair5637]

@@maimaibiri9045 what is your current cpu? Edit: you probably could get 7900k

[@jaredvos4431]

been upgrading some friends computers. One had a B350 Tomahawk with a 1600x and we got him a 5600x. Huge improvement for not having to switch out any other parts, very happy with AM4 longevity.

[@ConstipationNation]

Did updating the BIOS give you any trouble? I'm looking to do the same. Thanks.

[@brendanlittle2703]

@Mr. Hazelbro i have an asrock b350 pro 4 mobo that i had a 2700x in since 2018. I have now dropped in a R7 5700x without any issues at all! The bios update went very smooth. Just check the manufacturers website of the board your using and see of theres a bios update to support it. Most have them but some dont. It will even boot with either of the cpu's (2700x,5700x) in the new bios which is insane.

[@Vic.Mackey]

This makes AM4 the best platform in PC history.

[@LibertysetsquareJack]

As the years go on, it will become legendary.

[@Zack-fu8sn]

On top of upgrading from a r7 1700 to a r7 5700X, I got an all-core overclock to 4.6 GHz at 1.275 volts. I noticed a huge difference in performance uplift.

[@YoungGirlz8463]

What was the fastest all-core you got with the 1700?

[@Piterixos]

I'm pretty sure that's an underclock for this chip.

[@nemanjasavic3389]

@@YoungGirlz8463 Mike, along with many others I've seen online, top out at about 3.8Ghz.

[@CommandoTM]

@@YoungGirlz8463 I have mine (Feb? 2018 sample, forgot the week code) currently at 3.7@1.25V, also does 3.8@1.2875V and 3.9@1.3875V (R7 1700 on MSI B450M Mortar Max, LLC2)

[@FutureChaosTV]

@@MrNPC How can they be available "used" when they have just been selling this month?

[@TetraSky]

It's nice how AMD is letting us install these newer CPUs on older chipset motherboards that are much cheaper, instead of creating e-waste like Intel.

[@CheungAdoniszu]

so freaking true

[@mikesteve3039]

Ultimate guide to creating E-waste - Buy a Dell with Intel parts :)

[@VEN0M415]

@@mikesteve3039 Also Alienware (since people dont know they're a part of dell)

[@mikesteve3039]

@@VEN0M415 IKR, that 12700...whoops, I mean 12900 that GN got, terrible

[@tilburg8683]

I dont think their motherboards create the e waste it's their bending cpus that do most of that. Atleast the motherboard is usable the cpu not so much after it bends.

[@darthwiizius]

I switched from Intel to AMD(B450 Thawk MAX) purely due to the promise of wide compatibility and support after having no where to go after upgrading my chip to a 4th gen i7. The allure of having access to all AM4 chips on 1 PCB that only cost £100 inc VAT delivered can not be understated because even after I gone through it's upgrading lifespan I can always use the board with a cheap downgrade part and use it as a general light office/web surfing machine if I want to. Options are a good thing and on AM4 the options are vast.

[@raresmacovei8382]

You could've gotten Broadwell though.

[@jordanplays-transitandgame1690]

@@raresmacovei8382 Yep. Suck to be him :/

[@tilburg8683]

Thats a great mobo, just to bad nvidia and amd have some bad gpus that will get noticably worse performance on the pcie gen 3.( or the 6500xt for sure and I also recall the 3050 having the same issue).

[@MrRafting]

@@tilburg8683 aside from the 3050 and 6500xt, none of the AMD/Nvidia GPUs have worse performance on PCI-e Gen 3 vs Gen 4. I have a 6700xt and two systems - with a B450 and B550 in them and based on my testing, the 6700xt performs just about the same in both the B450 and B550.

[@MrRafting]

CPU is 3600x, but I'm upgrading to a 5000 series one soon-ish

[@ssabykoops]

Man oh man, can we take a moment to appreciate the effort that's gone into the B-roll footage, incredible work.

[@seanoconnor5713]

Ll1 lll4

[@bbear]

Back when Ryzen launched in March 2017, I built my first Ryzen system. Today I'm still using the same X370 motherboard I bought over 5 years ago, I never expected that kind of longevity. Seeing the benchmarks from this video gives me confidence I can wait it out another year or two before I hop on AM5. Long live AM4!

[@cieuxlux9617]

Should be a huge upgrade too, especially if you're on first-gen Ryzen!

[@LoganE01]

Yeah I really wish we could get the 6000 series for desktop AM4, but it most definitely was one of the best platforms.

[@bbear]

@@cieuxlux9617 I've upgraded twice since my original Ryzen 7 1700, but I will say it was nice being able to do that without needing to change my motherboard at all. Intel needs to take some notes.

[@fabiusmaximuscunctator7390]

Don't thank AMD, but Intel. Without Alder Lake their wouldn't be non X 5000 CPUs as well. Don't you think it's strange that AMD didn't do this 1 year ago?

[@bbear]

@@fabiusmaximuscunctator7390 I try not to thank either company. When I first built my Ryzen system, we were still on quad core CPUs for the mainstream market. The 1700 made my 6700k look like a toy for work, and for games the performance difference (although worse on the 1700 for sure) was negligible at the time; today I imagine the 1700 performs much better than the 6700k/7700k in more recent games. They both have pushed each other to be better, but AMD in my eyes still comes out on top just for the longevity alone. They're the ones doing the innovating currently, Intel is just a cash cow that isn't performing very well at the moment.

[@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026]

I hope AMD listens to consumers and outlets like you, and makes AM5 last similarly long.

[@DailyCorvid]

They 100% will because they have already designed their next socket type, and it will have the opposite pin layout more similar to Intels. But that's a totally new platform on DDR5 etc, and it should be Ryzen launch all over again! Hopes...

[@Andychiu845]

@@DailyCorvid i hope they will but highly doubt it. Probably not gonna support am5 as long as am4. Thinks about it, back when zen first came out, amd was the underdog so they have to go for p/p. Rn amd are trading blow with intel, making 1 sockets last for so long will hurt their board partner as people will buy less motherboards.

[@aninditabasak7694]

@@Andychiu845 AMD has already committed to long term support for AM5 socket.

[@mikesteve3039]

@Ort Lots of people upgrade their cpu more than every 6 years, especially when you can turn a B350 with an R5 1600 into the worlds fastest gaming computer for $450. Didn't you see HUB ask that question a few weeks ago? Also, what are the final specs and prices of Raptor Lake, Zen 4, and B650? If you cant list those numbers, you cant claim that Raptor will be faster and cheaper...

[@afriendofafriend5766]

@@Andychiu845 Nah, long lasting support is good for AMD and board partners because it means repeat customers.

[@Constantin1020]

Hi Steve, great Video , this are some impressing results for the old boards I bought my AM4 System in 2017 ( b350 tomahawk, ryzen 1600, gtx 1070, 16 GB ddr4 3200 ). A week ago, I bought a Rysen 5700x a RTX 3070, 32 gb 3600 MHz and a Samsung 970 evo plus. Did the bios Update, put the New components in, presst the Power switch and It Was ALIVE! I must say, that is a huge upgrade. I think im good for the next 4 years! Thank you AMD! 😁 Went and sold my gtx 1070 and 1600, and for a total of 800 Euro I upgrade my rig 💪😄

[@c.wubby.u861]

I was worried if the pcie 4.0 to 3.0 compatibility was gonna be a problem (my build x370 + r7 1700)

[@Constantin1020]

@@c.wubby.u861 no Problem man, IT works like a dream 😉

[@pugloo3511]

Its will work with strix b350f? I use ryzen 7 1700x and rtx 3070 work like a 💩.

[@nouan94]

incredible content and effort. Just what I wanted to see as a b350 tomahawk - ryzen 5 1600 owner looking to upgrade without spending too much. Can't thank you enough for this one.

[@EdKenny]

Brilliant content as always. It's helped with my decision to upgrade the R7 1700 to a 5800X. Thanks!

[@casedistorted]

That will be a nice upgrade. I went from a 2700x to a 5800x and it was big

[@JackoBanon1]

I bought an Asrock Taichi X370 back in 2017 and used it with a Ryzen 1700X first. In 2020 I upgraded to a Ryzen 3800XT. This year in 2023 I upgraded it one final time to a Ryzen 5800X3D and for the first time I can use the XMP profile of my 16GB Corsair Vengence RAM at 3200Mhz. With the old processors it never worked and I had to reduce it manually to 3000Mhz! So I'm definitely happy with my PC I built back in 2017. For the next 3-4 years I'll still have a very good PC until it makes sense to upgrade to a new mainboard for DDR5 and PCIe 5.0.

[@harryniedecken5321]

Thank you for posting this. I still have your exact original setup, running Linux mint and an rx 550 graphics card. I am wanting to update it, probably first with an rx 7600 graphics card if that will work and then probably the same processor. The old card has a very noisy fan and some other limitations. Trying to figure out if the pcie will for certain work with the newer card. The slot closer to the processor might be more capable than the second slot based on the documentation but still reading about it. Any insights are appreciated. Thanks

[@The_Man_In_Red]

My B350 Tomahawk is already running a 5600X, I just upgraded last week! Great performance gains and very happy I decided to go with AM4 now over 5 years ago.

[@baesictvofficial3495]

im planning to upgrade also is that posible with my b450m bazooka plus for ryzen 7 5800x3d?

[@peteryen3965]

Thanks!

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Thank you Peter.

[@LeJimster]

Nice to see my mobo getting reviewed again after all this time. I have the 5800X3D + B350-F Strix and it's working beautifully.

[@mick7727]

Good stuff! I actually didn't think such a cpu could be handled let alone properly supported on the 300 boards, but that's what I get for paying attention to fear mongers.

[@RonaldMedia]

How many CPU's did you have?

[@LeJimster]

@@RonaldMedia I went straight from a 1700 > 5800X3D. I wanted to upgrade to Zen 3 before now, but was stuck until these new beta bios' were released.

[@hoatd1993]

I have a problem when upgrading to 5700X that my NVME SSD isn't detected on this motherboard. Both BIOS and Windows. I have to change to another brand to workaround. Samsung and Aorus SSDs are failed to work :( Did you have the same problem?

[@catsspat]

@@hoatd1993 That's weird. Maybe try forcing it to PCIe Gen 3 in the BIOS if possible?

[@neoaliens8635]

Amazing work Steve! Good to know Ryzen 7 5800X3D is doing hot too with older MB. Sure there're some advantages in HZD but with 190+ framerate it doesn't even matter. Also I'm still looking forward to your RX 6800 vs RTX 3070 Ti 50 games benchmark in 2022 video when you have the chance to do it!

[@tilburg8683]

If its for which gpu is better not the 8gig card( like if your planning to buy one of them) I had Vram issues with the 3070ti in fh5.

[@neoaliens8635]

@@tilburg8683 Thanks for telling me. I'm using an RX 6800, and I'm curious about how it goes against an RTX 3070 Ti at this point

[@napstericious]

Thank you for this video! :) Been using B350-F since it came out with Ryzen 7 1700, then sold the ryzen 7 1700 and got the ryzen 5 3600. Now thinking whether it's worth upgrading to ryzen 7 5800X. Will see. At least now I have this video confirming that it'll work just fine on my motherboard if I do decide to just swap the CPU. Cheers! :)

[@moyashiparty]

I got close to double the performance in FF14 going from a 3950x to 5800X3D, mileage may vary depending on what games you play, but yeah for me it was a huge improvement.

[@kent6732]

The 5700x is a 5800x by simply enabling PBO2 but uses less power and runs cooler. 4.85ghz single core and 4.6ghz all core. $249 at MicroCenter. I just made this jump from 2700x on an x470.

[@napstericious]

@@kent6732 In my country they're at the same price which is 300 euros. Talking about 5700X and 5800X. The 5800X3D is closer to 700 Euros which is insane.

[@kent6732]

@@napstericious well then I’d grab the 5800x too!

[@bekhouwe8888]

AM4 will go down in history as one of the most legendary platforms. Never experienced 4 generations of cpu upgradability on one platform with just a bios update. The value has been great!

[@rudy6727]

I have Asus Prime X370 Pro, bought it with Ryzen 1600 just after release, had infamous seg-faults, after few days I received fault-free CPU. After a while I changed CPU to 2600 nearly cost-free and now I'm planning to change it with 5600X. It's paired with GTX 1060 from the beginning, another great deal.

[@Wolverine1981]

I have an MSI B350 Tomahawk and I've just upgraded from Ryzen 5 2600 to Ryzen 5 5600; combined with an MSI RX 6600XT and after seen this video, I'm convinced that is the very best upgrade I could have made it. And THIS video was just what I was looking for to see if this Tomahawk motherboard was a problem or not on this hardware combination. Thanks a lot!!!!

[@cmja09]

Thank you. These benchmarks are very useful and takes a lot of time & effort to make. Also damn, PCIe 3 vs 4 really doesn't matter, nice work! I feel a bit stupid getting x570i for PCIe 4, but the big heatsinks should be worth it at least.

[@Ray13star]

Thanks for the update Steve! Still rocking my ASUS ROG Strix B350-F motherboard with a ryzen 7 2700x. Once prices come down in the next year or two, I'll more than likely purchase a ryzen 7 5800x3d cpu.

[@mrrabbit6680]

THANKS! Super helpful Video!! appreciate all the testing you do!

[@odizzido]

It's nice to see how well this all worked. That's an extremely solid upgrade path from AM4

[@vailpcs4040]

Really appreciate the effort you put into this. It's nice to see benchmarks confirm the CPU upgrade path has great value for older AM4 platforms. This should tide us over until Raptor Lake / AM5 are widely available and if AMD can bring this upgradability to next gen, it's great for consumers and their stock price.

[@Fever_Dream]

I actually upgraded my Tomahawk B350 with a R7 3800X about 2 years ago, and it has been running strong since then with no issues.

[@josephjuanaliagavalenzuela2345]

Just upgraded yesterday from 2400g to 5900x on x470, needles to say the upgrade it real on gaming but today i'm testing it on blender and unreal 5. (game dev work.) AM4 it's just amazing!

[@The_Noticer.]

Why not the 5800X3D? You need the cores?

[@aravindpallippara1577]

​@@The_Noticer. dev work often requires more cores

[@josephjuanaliagavalenzuela2345]

@@The_Noticer. yes, more cores the better. Also atm the 5900x at 380€ it’s just a better deal compared to 5950x/5800x3D both at 500+.

[@innocentiuslacrim2290]

@@The_Noticer. 5800X 3D is also worse than even regular 5800X for work applications because of lower clocks.

[@Daniel_Kani]

I have a strix B350-F gaming and am very happy to see that I could go and get a 5800X3D and plop it in! I have a 1600x atm

[@PixelShade]

Bought a 2700X for 150$ on Black Friday when the 3000-series had launched. I am definitely looking into getting a 5000-series processor. I don't know which though, although I am leaning heavily towards 5600-series CPU since I probably won't gain any tangible real-life differences with anything greater (I have a 6600XT and will most likely never go "high-end" on the GPU)... There's a risk that a "future proofing strategy" with let say a 5800X3D or a 5900X might just be me throwing money at something I won't really use. But it's hard to say. Microsoft has gone out stating that directStorage is compatible all the way to PCIe 3.0, If that is the case and no new features come along, It could make sense to future-proof or buy used. Anyway, I would love this setup to stick around for at least 10 years to come, I don't necessarily feel like I need to keep up with the latest and greatest tech anymore. :)

[@YoungGirlz8463]

I remember that sale! Never saw the like for a 3700X.

[@ut2k4wikichici]

I had a 5600x new and I ended up getting used b550 then x570 and 5900x

[@PixelShade]

@@YoungGirlz8463 It was the time when AMD actually needed market shares and brand recognition. Unfortunately now when they have that they are not as keen on keeping prices low anymore. such a shame for a budget shopper like myself. :)

[@PixelShade]

@@ut2k4wikichici was it a worthwhile upgrade for you?

[@basilman121]

@SyncBuster frame wise, you will see improvements. I don't see much of a change in day to day tasks between both the 2700x and the 5900X, but man, frames are much smoother and I get a higher FPS out of my GPU

[@chilli-beef3200]

I have B350 Tomahawk, Ryzen1600, Evga 1060 3g and 16gig Gskill, I was looking to upgrade all shortly after waiting two years, would have cost around £1200 now I only need Gpu and Cpu this would save me £400. Great video ty

[@Nikelangelo]

I am so glad AMD has decided for this additional support, rocking 5800X3D on my Crosshair VI and it's been smooth sailing, very happy with an in socket upgrade.

[@hendaben]

Nice one, got a cvihero here too. started with r7 1700, upgraded to 3900 in 2021. Getting that x3d when it gets cheaper

[@rynebearlet5494]

@@hendaben I started with a 1700x and then moved to a 3700x but need the extra cores for productivity so thinking about moving to the 5900x. Have you made that move and noticed any shortfalls or worth the investment?

[@robertdipietro991]

hey man running a 5600 on the same board. Just curious, do you have any experience with ram overclocking/performance with this combo? I wasn't sure what he was saying about ram in the video does the ryzen 5000 series allow you to get better ram performance even with a board like this?

[@Nikelangelo]

@robertdipietro991 Yes, the 5000 series CPU help a lot, I also upgraded the ram to 4x8GB. By default it has 4000 MHz xmp with some decent timings but I was not able to make it stable with a 1:1 infinity fabric clock ratio so I lowered the frequency to 3800 and it was smooth sailing.

[@dangingerich2559]

0:01 I have both of those boards on the left. Cool. This will directly apply to questions I have. Thank you.

[@FeTiProductions]

Intel needs to go back to their LGA 775 days where they use to do this. From Pentium 4 to Core 2 Quads, that was one hell of a time

[@tomstech4390]

Actually that was not that common (it happened but it wasnt a given). Lga775 supported allot of architectures but the chipsets didn't. Generally early lga775 on say 915 series would support pentium4 and pentiumD (netburst) and later chipsets like 945 series would support 6000/7000/8000/9000 cpus on 65nm or 45nm based on core2 architectures. There are exceptions for example my p45 based P5Q-E can take anything from my PentiumD 965EE on netburst to my qx9650 and everything in between.... but it was the exception. The memory controller was on the chipset so you could end up with a lga775 board that uses ddr3 and a pentium4 that barely does ddr2 and the front side bus speeds get sacrificed running ddr3 at only 666mhz for example.

[@user-qw9fy9js2o]

My own build has a MSI B450 Tomohawk with a 3700x while my brothers budget build has an Asus x370 board with a 3600 cpu. Happy to see down the line we can squeeze out more performance from our platform by jumping to 5000 series CPUs. I will look for 5800x3D but would be more then happy with a 5700-5800x cpu. Great content keep up the great work!

[@juansarmiento6754]

Thank you Steve. Never thought when I purchased my 1700x and Gigabyte AX370 Gaming K7 it would last this long and well into the future. Swapped out the CPU to a 5800X3D with just a bios update and now this board will last a few more years. As a big MMO player the cache on this chip makes a huge difference in these types of games. AMD has a consumer for life if they keep up this type of support and hopefully Intel follows suit if they want to compete as they claim. This just proves how anti consumer Intel was in forcing upgrades and creating e-waste (as other Steve would say) of old boards.

[@GTFour]

That’s such an awesome upgrade. Must be 2x the performance minimum 👌

[@TheGreatestLewis]

Great to see the numbers. I've got an Asus ROG Strix B350-F Gaming, and I just upgraded from 1700x to 5800x3D.

[@JosiahBradley]

I forgot how cheap the x370 were versus the x570. All my x570s were around 400$. And sadly 3 died pretty quickly...

[@dabblerdeluxe775]

how the heck you have 3 motherboards die quickly? I got a msi unify x570 for around 300$

[@rossharper1983]

I've built seven Ryzen rigs for people since it's release and also had 2 of those boards die. Gigabyte and an MSI, funnily the other 5 boards that are still going are all Asus

[@dabblerdeluxe775]

@@rossharper1983 any idea why? someone overclocking ?

[@rossharper1983]

@@dabblerdeluxe775 neither were overclocked as that usually means more agro for me from the customer later down the line. And I only charge £30 for building and windows install so not wasting time OC for them. The Gigabyte was a power failure of some type, but was a budget board. The MSI was out of warranty and still booted but I the bios chip became corrupt

[@JosiahBradley]

@@dabblerdeluxe775 the first two were Gigabyte Master boards and they made it all they way into windows but after first full power cycle never turned on again. I tried two PSUs and various test equipment, just dead. The next was an ASUS Crosshair and it lasted longer before it died. I'm on an ASRock Taichi now, the cheapest option and my last pick as it is missing some features I need but it's been working for over a year now through 3 different CPUs and GPUs and a few OC records.

[@mdshanin2524]

Thanks for making these kinds of videos of reviewing the past products and comparing them to the new ones. Looking forward to seeing more of these kinds of videos..

[@JSNLEONARD]

I have literally gone from a Ryzen 7 1700 to a Ryzen 5 3600 to now a Ryzen 5 5600X all on the one motherboard known as the MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon. The longevity I got out of only having to purchase one motherboard and have been able to keep it for the past 4+ years is something that means a lot to me and was my main reason as to why I chose AMD over Intel. If Intel were to do the same and have much better socket support, then I would allow myself to swing both ways, but for the moment, not the case. Here's to hoping that AM5 will be the same as AM4 and that Intel follow suit!

[@OrtokLIVE]

i'm the exact same, i currently have a b350 tomahawk from msi and have now upgraded to a 5800x3d and the performance difference compared to a 1600 ryzen 5 is insane. absolutely love what amd have done here and am all for it going forward...

[@phantomflame0658]

@@OrtokLIVE What graphics card are you running? I also have the 1600 and I'm looking to get the 5800x3d some day. I only have an rx580, I'll upgrade when the next gen of graphics cards launches. Was the 1600 not good enough for you?

[@ertai222]

I'm using the same board. Only downside is I can't my 32gigs ram with 4 dimms to work at anything higher than 3333 stable.

[@ertai222]

@@phantomflame0658 idk about them but I'm still using a GTX 1080 with my 5600.

[@raidnoir8691]

@@phantomflame0658 not OP but even going to a 3300x resulted in some FPS gain my old 580 and even more once i got my 6600xt. Thrn i went with ny true upgrade to a 5500 and the FPS avg was the same but better 1% lows

[@chaos9chao]

Loving how good those B-rolls are getting! Keep up the awesome work guys!

[@kingscarletbuilds]

Even though I just upgraded to a 5800x now, I'm very happy with AMD being consumer friendly in this manner

[@TheGamersSide]

Still rocking my b350 tomahawk - thanks for the testing

[@JcsP3D]

Would have been interesting if you had a chart with VRM temps for the older platforms.

[@Rossco1337]

great idea for a video. i was a ryzen early adopter and i've definitely got the full value out of my 1700x. i was a bit annoyed that AMD didn't offer zen 3 support for x370 to begin with but i'm glad they came through in the end. the 1700x is still fast enough to run everything i need at 1440p but it's great to know i've got a simple upgrade path and i'm not losing any performance by having an older board.

[@SciFiFactory]

Just last month I bought an open box MSI B550-A Pro for 40€ and a R5-3600 for 100€. What a nice upgrade from the old Phenom II X6. To be honest, the additional performance went a little bit unused for now. That X6 still goes pretty strong. But for the price of AM4 components I just couldn't resist any longer. How long will it take AM5 to get this affordable? My guess would be 2 years?

[@borisp6035]

this is awesome news! Thanks for the test. May come handy in 1 year plus, to get my system to the max it can handle

[@V4zz33]

Use a USB 2.0 flash drive if you cannot get the BIOS files recognised by your old motherboard! I had my 5600 laying around for 6 weeks because I didn't find this comment... Yes, last time I built a PC and updated bios was in 2017 with the x370 Taichi + 1600 combo... forgot about this... now I enjoy for at least another 2 years the X370 Taichi+5600 combo. Have fun everyone!

[@Constantin1020]

Had the same Problem, after trying a nother usb stick, I Was able to Update to the newer bios Version

[@rockedout]

This was great. My cousin who's not much into PC turned out have a Strix B350 board and was thinking of upgrading but taken aback by the board prices of the new platform.

[@catsspat]

I remember living with a Phenom II system for 5 years, and how painful it was near the end. Ryzen is a real class act.

[@raeferwilson2599]

Me too. I moved from a Phenom II 840 RX460 4GB to R5 2600 RX580 8GB in 2018

[@phantomflame0658]

Same! I was on a phenom ii x4 965 "black edition". I overclocked the crap out of it with a huge cooler master heatsink, and ran an asus directcu ii gtx 680. Was actually really good for 1080p. I was first in line on the Ryzen train with the r5 1600 and a sapphire nitro rx580 8gb!

[@FutureChaosTV]

Yes, websites started to become really slow and the AV1 codec is very CPU intensive and the Phenom II chocked on it. Still it was an amazing processor (amazing undervolting capabilities on the idle power level from 1100mv to 750-850mv f.e.) even though my Ryzen 5 3600 outperforms it by about 3-5x.

[@Rossco1337]

same boat here. i went from phenom ii straight to ryzen when it was released. some new games were starting to require SSE4 so it came just in time! the only thing that zen 1 doesn't run right now is windows 11, which is actually a win in my book 😁

[@catsspat]

@@Rossco1337 Haha. I just disable fTPM in BIOS. Win-Win.

[@deepstaria3837]

Just upgraded my FATALITY AB350 itx mobo from a 1600 to 5600x and am totally blown away....took many bios updates from its og 2.1 bios I think..Got to 3.0 and kept going till it accepted the 7.0 to 7.4...It still booted the 1600 chip with the 7.4 update...swaped the chips and hit Y for the bitlocker and good to go.....No vids I found covered this correctly...and was very terrifying....

[@Youhaveaname]

Treading into unknown territory! Always scary. As iirc you have to delete bios recognition for lower end cpus to make room on the bios for the 5xxx series.

[@andrewway1109]

I built my first PC with the B350 tomahawk and Ryzen 1600 4 years ago and have been really thinking about building a brand new system. But after watching, it looks like just switching out the CPU (and eventually the GPU) will do everything I need. Thanks for the content. P.S. There's a bios update I'll need to install to have this work, correct?

[@earthpiga2]

Yes, you will need to visit the manufacturer's website and download the latest BIOS. Make sure you read the notes for the previous BIOS releases because sometimes you need to step from one BIOS to another etc. Also, make sure you update to the new BIOS that supports the new processor BEFORE you remove the old processor. That way, the board's BIOS will recognize the new processor when you install it. You won't break anything if you forget, your PC just won't boot up at which point you'll have take out the new CPU, put in the old one again, and then update the BIOS.

[@casedistorted]

Yeah always a good idea to upgrade the BIOS. I had to do that with my Asus prime X470 Pro motherboard when going from a 2700X to a 5800X.

[@pedrodanielfernandez2921]

Ryzen 7 1700, MSI B350 Tomahawk owner. Excellent video, thanks Steve you has showed me how to save money when upgrading.

[@sulphurous2656]

I would like to see this done on the 5950X too.

[@kingjasko]

yess, 5900x too

[@The_Noticer.]

that is not the target audience for this video. This is more budget oriented, and noone expects budget 300 series to work flawlessly with a highet TPD 16core part.

[@pesho9971]

So you want to see some boards on fire :D

[@samgoff5289]

I don't understand why anyone one a budget building gaming pc would even consider a 5950x and if you do a lot of work with your pc and need a 5950 I'm sure you can spend $150 on a new motherboard considering how much the cpu costs

[@simopunnonen1462]

i'd imagine most of the x370 boards will not support 5950x, at least the crosshair VI only supports 5700x and 5800x3D. The bios won't have space for all of them. So this video is a bit misleading.

[@Owen-fn8ff]

Thank you for doing these Steve, it’s very important for companies to get this constructive feedback, to encourage good practices in future. The AM4 platform will go down in history as one of the most important platforms ever created. This longevity has led me to eventually come to own three AM4 PCs whereas I would probably have switched at some point if this support wasn’t there.

[@807800]

Nice to see another confirmation that x16 gen3 vs gen4 is practically the same.

[@rasmusolesen5307]

Some games show a difference at 4K high settings, where the gpu is the bottleneck. But I agree.

[@807800]

@@rasmusolesen5307 It's actually the opposite. The higher the FPS the more impactful the PCIe bandwidth is. As long as you have enough VRAM of course. So, 1080p would be affected more than 4K. You can check TechpowerUP GPU PCI-Express Scaling.

[@RekimNZ]

Yep, MSI B350 owner here (2 PC's with a 1600 and a 2600), Thanks Steve for the info, much appreciated, time to upgrade !!

[@LnDSuv]

This is why I bought AMD. In a year or two I will pick one of these high-end Zen 3's on used market and enjoy my budget gaming/production monster.

[@cre8torzn]

2 years after this video came and I am here with a MSI B350 Tomahawk I have had for since 2018 and I am strongly looking to upgrade to the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. Still running the Ryzen 5 1600X.

[@carrionette]

It seems crosshair VI for around $150 was good deal after all. Looking forward to upgrading my r7 1700 to ryzen 5xxx when i finally get new GPU for acceptable price.

[@vollhorst140]

Has someone else noticed the amazing b-roles shots of the asus b350f gaming mobo with smoke rising in the background? Well done Steve.

[@BYF1]

Great video, shows that AM4 is still viable even as a new build on a budget. B450 tomahawk or mortar is the same price and sometimes cheaper than an H610 on Intel platform, but gives the ability to run a 5800x3d tier CPU in the future. You would need to spend double that to get an equivalent quality B660 that can run a similar level of CPU. My current idea for a build on a budget is a B450 tomahawk/mortar with a used Ryzen 2600/3600 and an Rx6600. I wonder how well a B550 DS3H/S2H would handle the 5800X3D?

[@basilman121]

I would recommend getting a stronger CPU if you are going to pair it with a 6600XT. At least, at 1080p, you will lose frames with that GPU. I upgrades from a 2700X to a 5900X (got the 5900X for 340) so I could get some frames back.

[@BYF1]

@@basilman121 okay, thanks, although I think I will go for non XT 6600 which is better value at the moment here in UK, especially pre-owned.

[@_eh.]

Upgraded from 3600 to 5600x on my B450 mortar max, just to prolong system life. By selling old CPU it did cost me around 100 Euro. Worth it? IDK, probably just additional year of usage.

[@karlreading3201]

Love my B450 Mortar max, runs my 5900x/3070/48gb ram perfectly :)

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

The 5600 (CPU, not GPU) is regularly selling for $200 or less in the US. I would think its improved performance is more than worth the price difference relative to the 3600, but if the cheapest possible route matters, I also just noticed the 5500 is now selling for $140. That chip didn’t review well as it has less cache than the 5600 and 5600XT at an initial MSRP that wasn’t that much less, but I think at $140 it might be worth more consideration. I suggest searching for comparative benchmarks but I imagine it would still outperform the 3600 while costing less along the way.

[@jimr5703]

I just upgraded from a Gigabyte B350 board 2 weeks ago to a B550 Aorus Pro. CPU from 1700x to 5900x. I also stuffed in a PCIe 3.0 M.2 drive. Still using the 3600 low CAS RAM. The rig RIPS!! I tried my old 3200 CL 14 RAM just for fun and it's still amazing!

[@razorgcy]

In the late 2017, I could've gone for an Intel i5 7500 system (on a B series chipset that I can't remember now), but instead went for a B350 Gaming Plus and a 1500X for roughly the same price. I am chuffed to bits to see that I can upgrade to the 12900K-matching (and exceeding) 5800X3D now in 2022 on my "measly" B350 motherboard, if I desire to do so. It was the best decision that I made in my life to go with AMD. I hope the AM5 support will be as good, and I hope the OEMs will now feature bigger BIOS chips on their boards (to eliminate the "not enough memory on the BIOS chip" malarkey we had back with Ryzen 3000 series)

[@The_Man_In_Red]

Word, and same. I went for a 5600X upgrading from a 1600 and the performance gains are nutty huge not just in avg FPS but especially 1% and 0.1% lows and smooth frametimes. No more stutter in trash unoptimized Unity games xD I will say though that the R5 1600 performed admirably well 90% of the time and was perfectly capable at Med/High 60-80+ FPS @ 120Hz (just not in unoptimized & heavily single threaded games) I would definitely consider the 5600 or 5600X if you haven't upgraded yet because they are just so dang cheap rn and already give huge 60-100% perf gains compared to 1st Gen. Unless you have or are planning to get a 3070 Ti / 6800XT or better GPU for some serious high refresh gaming there's hardly a need for the 5800X3D IMO. Whatever you do good luck, now is the time bro :D

[@maxpower8158]

Thank you i really needed that benchmarks! Love you guys!

[@prrocker9637]

Congrats to all those on b350 and x370 getting even more life out of your purchase I hope AMD continues this support with AM5 and who knows if he'll freezes over maybe intel will extend the life of their sockets as well to compete

[@The_Trojan]

Geeezz... that is pretty great isn't it! Amazing that you can get similar performance on those older boards.

[@exxor9108]

Showing that AMD kept to its promise of supporting the AM4 platform for five years is a win-win for both AMD, and us consumers. So I don't doubt that there will be customers who will buy their B650, X670 or X670E motherboards, and be able to keep them fresh until a theoretical AM6 motherboard comes around.

[@Asghaad]

kepot its promise ? no htey did NOT, who cares that they are doing it now when it suits THEM to ship a product at the end of its lifespan ... what counts wis product launch and they didnt even support x470 boards at launch ... they BROKE that promise and become absolutely unreliable liars in my eyes ...

[@exxor9108]

@@Asghaad You must be an Intel shill. They're over that way ready to sell you motherboards you'll have to replace every year. ;)

[@L33R1C3]

Thanks for this…Great content! Unsure how you were bothered to put all the pretty RGB and dry ice into the b-roll after all that time consuming testing so I applaud you for the superhuman effort.

[@LoganE01]

I think you should reconsider the a320m series as well.... Especially one with decent cooling and VRMs. I've seen some KZbinrs say due to the shorter traces found on the 320 some of the mobos are fairly decent, if not better. I think something like a 5500 or 5600 non x and a 320 isn't too far fetched.... Also still rocking a gigabyte 320 and plan on going from 1600AF to 5500, or 5600.

[@Geromino555]

teck yes city did a similar comparison using 320 and no problem and faster than the new motherboard. amazing support by amd and vendors.

[@Jeremy_Hopkins]

Thanks for making this video. I've got a 1600X on the Strix B350 board, and I've got a spare 5600X kicking around. I knew updated BIOS files were available, but they're tagged as beta and I've been treating the sparse reddit comments as anecdotal (I haven't seen a lot of talk about this upgrade path). Looking forward to updating my BIOS and slotting in a much more capable CPU!

[@theigpugamer]

I have an x570 motherboard and an r5 pro 4650g and the fact I can upgrade to a 5800x3d or (more likely) a 5900x is just so awesome. I certainly can use the extra money I spent on a good quality board and feel intel needs to get their act together.

[@innocentiuslacrim2290]

Your comment makes no sense. You can upgrade for one cpu gen from the moment you bought your kit. In fact your chipset is the last chipset for AM4. With Intel you would have been at the exact same situation.

[@theigpugamer]

@@innocentiuslacrim2290 ohh really just ask 7th gen owners how easy it is to upgrade to 8th gen

[@Belfor09]

Absolutely amazing test Steve. I appreciate all the work! Cheers buddy

[@trombi1]

This is why i am very likely upgrading to am5(instead of going Intel with bad socket support) and getting good motherboard so that i could upgrade 2-3 gen higher later. Will see what official promise Amd will make about the am5 but just giving 3-4 gen support would be huge compared to Intel which is really lacking with 1-2 gen support with same motherboard.

[@beautyless100]

I have R5 2600 & A320 currently. In the time newer B850/X870 chipset series are available then I will upgrade my build to B750 AM5 mobo. I'm happy to be late.

[@phantomflame0658]

@@beautyless100 I have a r5 1600 and x470, using an rx580. I'll upgrade in a year or two to a r5 5600 when I get a better graphics card that causes it to bottleneck. Since I only upgrade every 4 years or so, I'm going to skip AM5 completely and wait for AM6 lol. If the 5600 somehow doesn't get me there, I can always get the 5800x3d off ebay, and give the 5600 to my sisters rig. I love AMD

[@Elessar_Telcontar]

4 years of support seems to be a good spot. The upgrade from 1st to 4th gen ryzen is crazy performance uplift.

[@AlyxSharkBite-2000]

I have a friend that we built an X370 (MSI XPower Titanium) had a Ryzen 7 1800X in it. Just upgraded it to a 5800X and 6700XT GPU. Was really nice to just update BIOS and drop in the CPU.

[@charlconradie4935]

Wondering how the VRM temps where on the tomahawk... mine could not handle an overclocked Ryzen 1700 back in the day

[@Danje1-MX5]

I'm so happy I went for the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max back then. I just upgraded to a 5800X3D and a RTX 3080 and it's absolutely awesome.

[@baesictvofficial3495]

i have b450 msi board. can i upgrade to ryzen 7 5800x3d? sir

[@AWSMcube]

these guys always post the perfect answer to my really specific google question and i love it, thank you guys for what you do for the pc gaming community

[@Dahula665]

Thank you very much! ... I have the MSI Tomahawk B350 and struggled with the Upgrade. Now I know, I can buy the 5800X3D :D .. You rock!

[@jankindl915]

My first AM4 board with B350 bought with Ryzen 5 1600 and GTX1060 now handles Ryzen 7 5700X3D and RX7800XT for some time now. Absolutelly insane!

[@paulmarley6913]

I wasn't considering an upgrade before watching, but i'm seriously contemplating it now. I didn't think i would be able to upgrade just the CPU on my X370 pro to the newest version. Great tip, thank you.

[@matuzy]

I'm the seemingly classic case of having bought an R5 1600 back in 2017, along with the MSI Tomahawk B350 mentioned in this video. It was my first ever PC build. Just bought a 5700X to finally unblock the 6750XT I bought in December 2022. Feeling really confident in the purchase and lucky after watching this video. I was worried when I was buying in so early on the Ryzen platform but the longevity of the AM4 platform is, and has been, amazing. It feels like I'm getting away with something lol

[@uacyber]

This is the video I've been waiting for. Thank you.

[@MrHarney]

Fantastic great vid.. been running a 5900x on tomahawk b350 since February now that all the usb's are working with latest bios.. happy days

[@damonvanopdorp2905]

I'm watching you on a B350 motherboard right now! I've been curious about this!!!

[@palmolivu]

I got this bad boy MSI B350 GAMING PLUS (MS-7A34) paired with a 1600 AF and a 5600 xt..I must resist..I must hold out..next gen, not now. Wish I hadn't known about this lol. Keep up the great content!

[@giorx5]

Great video Steve! Although I think that the support to AM4 AMD announced during the presentation me thinks the refers to the continuation of CPU production of Ryzen 5X00 series but nothing newer to come. My 5c.

[@mauriciob8260]

After look at your video I'm definitive will hold my X370 Asus Crosshair Extreme for 2 more years and upgrade from 3900X to the beast 5950X .No rush for me to be early adapter of Beta Bios and expensive AM5 motherboards and DDR5 memory

[@jorgealvarezjimmy]

i have an asus prime x370-pro and recently i upgrade from r5 1600x to an r5 5800x. now works flawlessly. its awesome how good fast fells the system. all this with the same windows installation.

[@AndyMacMPCclub]

Hey, I had trouble updating mine from the 2700x to the 5800x. I managed to update the bios which recognised the new cpu but windows just wouldn't boot. Which Bios did you use? 6026 firmware? Did you need to update any settings in the Bios to accommodate the new CPU?

[@jorgealvarezjimmy]

@@AndyMacMPCclub maybe some setting has change. something in the line of uefi/ legacy. it shoud work.

[@Jaco_Schutte]

I own the Asus B350-F ROG, so this is super good news! The new BIOS is still in beta though, so will sit tight for a bit longer.

[@razorgcy]

They'll never get out of the "BETA" phase I guess. At least that has been the case for MSI on these older AMD boards since the release of Ryzen 3000, every supporting BIOS versions stayed at BETA.

[@omgawesomeomg]

When shopping for a Mobo for my R5 3600 I came across the Crosshair VI Hero for just 100€. It felt strange pairing my brand new CPU with a two generations old board, but it worked like a charm and still does.

[@JessicaSeverin]

This is awesome! Still running a Gigabyte AX370 Gaming K7 with 1700x with a Powercolor 5700xt liquid devil. I've been hoping for this for awhile now and I will get a Ryzen 5000 CPU soon. I might wait for Gigabyte to do one more bios update though to see if they can improve it.

[@hando87]

Thanks for the video. Having purchased the 5800x3d for my ASRock b350 fatality k4 (with b450 bios) I was wondering how performance differed. My Samsung b-die kit only ran at 3400 cl14 on the 2600 memory controller, but now sits at 4000 cl 16 1:1. Cheers for the hard work! HardworkUnboxed.

[@thedalailmao]

Good video. Would be nice to see a graph/ table/ message below on how the older mobo VRMs kept up with a 5800X3D + 5900X. I presume that people looking to switch are wondering if their existing mobos can do PBO on the 5000 CPUs and have cool VRMs.

[@earthpiga2]

I purchased a Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5 when it launched. It's been great over the years, but I was planning on upgrading to an X570 board soon to take advantage of SAM and PCEI 4.0. However, after seeing Steve test my board 5 years after launch (so cool, that), and hear that it supports SAM now, I'm going to stick with it and upgrade to a 5000 series CPU. Thank you, Hardware Unboxed, for the excellent testing data and reporting that helps your viewers get the most value out of their PC hardware as possible!