Harley Vs Indian It's Not Even Close Anymore

[@Uselesshandlw]

It’s good Harley is beginning to feel threatened it means they have to actually compete this is a good thing and should be highly encouraged

[@jaredourada]

Ya competition is a great thing. My family is big into Jeeps but the best thing in a long time to happen was the Bronco. I fully expect the next Wrangler to be bonkers.

[@albertprasetyo6846]

Harley will fall

[@jakel2837]

Maybe they'll finally learn that $12k isn't a valid cheap option. Anything between 10k and 15k is mid to high end. Royal Enfield, an Indian company, is holding up the tradition Harley claims to embody far better than them

[@PHICEN]

Not entitled… just that all you posers on “touring” bikes riding to local posing hole and back home could have done it an an electric e-bike.

[@karlreinke]

If you have a motorcycle that requires you to plan your trips around the dealer/service network, you have the wrong motorcycle.

[@blubyu151]

Guess you missed the point , no one plans a trip around dealers

[@conanthebarbarian1971]

​@@blubyu151yeah I agree, I was thinking who the fk does that, probably midlife crisis guy's 😂

[@ghostmost2614]

😂

[@ghostmost2614]

I’m 61 and just rode 4800 miles to Jackson WY and back on my Kawasaki Vaquero. Never considered a dealer. It’s a Jap Bike. Start and go

[@jeffross8400]

Been Riding Harleys for decades...love em...but I just traded my ultra limted for a pursuit dark horse 6 weeks ago...I will not go back...LOVE that pursuit...

[@toddmorris2353]

I been riding Harley for 25 yrs I just bought 2024 Pursuit Darkhorse and absolutely love it I will never go back to Harley

[@kennyb7883]

2021 challenger & 2023 road glide in my garage, I've ridin the RG twice.. I can't help myself, when I walk out to the garage to go somewhere that powerplus is like a black hole it just pulls me onto it's seat against my will.

[@johnh8197]

After 40 years of riding and most of those years on Harley-Davidson. I just bought my first Indian Roadmaster. I couldn’t be happier. The 116 Thunderstroke is one heck of an engine.

[@WolfinWolvesClothing713]

Tell them about your thunderstroke at the drag queen summer camp.

[@Motorider50]

Same here, 20 years of Harley and bought a Challenger and I am in love. Loved it so much I sold it and got an Elite.

[@benoitperreault1692]

I believe i will take the same route.. i don't like the newest Harleys, and love the new indians

[@benoitperreault1692]

And I am only 40yrs old, 22YRS of owning harleys

[@johnh8197]

@@benoitperreault1692 don’t get me wrong. Both manufacturers make great Motorcycles. And they talk a lot of junk about Indian being out of business for approximately 50 years. But, it says a lot about Indian as a company when you are making outstanding, top-tier, Motorcycles, and you’ve only been back in business for approximately 11 years now. I do not believe you will ever regret buying it Indian. Ride safe, brother.

[@stefanocappella9612]

I ride harley but I think Indian is a better bang for your buck. Atleast here in alberta canada 🇨🇦

[@sebastianshaw210]

In words of Ron Swanson, dear Canada duck you, I like Canadians though

[@chevellerr]

Up in Edmonton I tried buying a Scout bobber. Put cash down on the bike and was told they had it. When I signed the paperwork I was expecting to be riding by the end of the week. Fast forward a month of waiting I was finally told that the bike was still in Manitoba. Took my cash back and was on a Bonneville Bobber the next day. I still love the look of the Indian Bobber but was really put off by what went down.

[@Notimetoplaywu]

Bought my Indian Scout bobber in Calgary. Last one in stock in 2022 , got it within the week . Paid near full price but got a " free " $100 key chain . Couldn't be more satisfied with the bike 🍻🤘🏻.

[@NicePantsLance]

​@@chevellerrthe bobber is a fantastic bike. Aside from engine performance, id honestly say its better than the Scout

[@drakeb6168]

@@NicePantsLance the bobber is a scout..... its just an aesthetic.

[@mychar1365]

I've owned both, Harley doesn't even touch Indian also.... With Harley's new " woke " agenda I will NEVER buy another Harley

[@stocktondrones9747]

Bye Felicia

[@redrumrabbit]

@@stocktondrones9747 See you around Pat 😂

[@johnsumser9743]

I’ve long thought that Harley owners aren’t really motorcyclists. They tend not to compare motorcycles as motorcycles but as symbols of masculinity or patriotism. In comparison, a sport bike or adventure rider would look at performance, usability, and cost. That you’d not buy from Harley because the company does not openly hate non-mainstream people means, to me, that you should look for another hobby. “Oh no, Bud Lite! You’ve offended me to the core of my being.” A bunch of babies.

[@Dcj01]

Sure buddy lol

[@toddj2690]

@@johnsumser9743 Look at you go!

[@DavidMurray-j9c]

Rode sports bikes my whole life, made the switch to a sport chief and couldn’t be happier . Love the bike , don’t matter what brand you ride aslong as your happy

[@SlvrBckBlck]

Just bought a new Indian Pursuit Dark Horse. I pick it up tomorrow.

[@shredded8482]

Pick up the bike yet?

[@matrix4you2see]

Welcome to the Tribe...!!

[@deeaikens9843]

How you liking it?

[@SlvrBckBlck]

@@shredded8482 I wanted to ride it for a bit. I put 3k miles on it. I really like it good power. Loads of space. Comfortable stock seat but will change it out for better seat for longer rides. I'm getting Helibars delivered next week so I can sit back on the back rest a little better. I have short arms. So I have to reach just a bit for the stock bars. On long rides my shoulders and back really feel that. Overall the bike is great. I had a 2022 BMW K1600 Grand America and this is an overall better ride. Not as smooth or quick but the Pursuit still has a lot of power and is very light on her feet for such a bike bike.

[@SlvrBckBlck]

@@deeaikens9843 I really do like the bike. Only complaint, I miss reverse I had on my K1600. This is a big bike to back out of my driveway into the street.

[@cralo302]

Former Indian sales and current service tech employee here. I also have owned multiple late model Harleys. Indian is making some nice-looking, nice riding motorcycles. The new Scout series is a massive improvement over the previous gen. It rides better, it's smoother, more feature laden, and just feels more substantial. The bigger bikes look and ride well. I'm not thrilled with some of the mechanical noises of the Thunderstoke or the Powerplus. The biggest problem with Indian is quality. Not what you may see on the outside. It's when you go deeper. The amount of cheap chinese hardware is absurd. There are things we have to do during setup to prevent problems down the road. Corrosion is a major issue. Rusty hardware in a very short period of time. Bikes are coming in for a break-in service that have check engine lights on and rusty hardware. Spoke nipples in particular. "Made in China" labels all over brake and clutch lines. The chrome is poor quality and will likely peel way too soon in its life cycle. Unacceptable at this price point. Major and minor issues in most all of them we see. It's a shame. They could be great bikes, but Polaris needs to seriously scale back on the cost cutting. YMMV, but this is what we see on a daily basis. I never saw quality issues like this on my Harley's. Granted, I've only owned 2017 and up HD. I really want to love Indian, but at this point, i just can't...

[@pint6x]

I'm in the UK and used to deliver both HD and Indian, and fetch them when they were broke. The one issue everyone seems to have with HD is a flat battery. Never buy an HD without a trickle charger. With Indian, the problems were more inside the electrics, and getting replacement parts for things that had broken was really difficult. We would have customer bikes with us for months, waiting for parts. Like it or not, HD will always have easier access to getting parts. It's not perfect, but it is better than Indian, just because the infrastructure is bigger.

[@cameg1670]

I think HD also sources foreign parts including Chinese sadly almost every manufacturer does. Now only time will tell about some of your other comments. I can say on my 14 and 21 Chieftains I never ran into those issues.

[@juanrios5137]

If you take some time out, you will find that HD are only 54% made in America. Virtually every part except for the engine if from another country, take one apart and you will be just as disappointed.

[@BudKash]

These kind of issues need to be investigated and possibly taken straight to corporate for examination. I was considering opening a dealership in a particular location, so my partner and I will be doing some extensive research. If this is true it could collapse their new customer base in short order, and that means we won't be investing. I know Harley won't be seeing another dime from me, because I already know enough to know better... We'll see very soon.

[@outdoorsman7324]

Are you really pretending to believe Harley's are American made? 🤣 They're American assembled, not American made.

[@kylegray-jw6wu]

Bought an Indian sport chief this year bike rides great and by far my favourite reaction is when you tell them it’s 1890. The glasses come off the respect is immediately shown. It’s so much fun.

[@jonathandantonio649]

I like the Indians, they ride nicely, and seem to be solid motorcycles overall, but upon close inspection they have to me several fatal flaws in comparison to the Harley touring bikes in particular: 1. Paint and finish - Harleys age noticeably better; Indian's paint is not as good and their engines have a tendency to tarnish over time. Look at both bikes in 10 years and there is a good chance the Harley has withstood the elements far better and it will retain it's value to a much greater extent. 2. More metal - Close inspection of both makes indicates that Harley uses more metal parts in more places, and higher quality bits in general. I prefer as little plastic as possible and Indian is much more likely to use plastics and to hide things they don't want seen behind body panels. 3. Wiring - Harley has clearly spent a great deal of effort to route their wiring almost artfully through the chassis. Indian on the other hand has a tendency to simply hide bundles of wires/connectors behind body panels. I'm an electrician and this speaks volumes to me about the care involved in building the bike. I'm a big fan of what Indian has done, and have seriously shopped them and am glad they exist. But when you look at the fine details the Harley touring bikes appear to be better built with more attention to detail and are much more likely to hold up well over time. As far as dealerships go that comes down to who owns/operates them. I have had a fantastic relationship with Alamo City Harley; I've bought 4 bikes from them and they've always taken excellent care of me and the bikes. Whether they have an event going or not I know I can always stop in for cup of coffee, a drink, or even a free meal at times and have a good conversation with the staff (some of whom I've become friends with over the years) and/or other riders. It's hard to put a price tag on that experience but it's one that means a great deal to me.

[@granitegreg7883]

You forgot to mention that Harley has gone completely woke and ousting their core consumer. I will not support a company that has views don’t align with mine.

[@gk7588]

Good to know there are some true patriots still out there…thank you for your service!

[@bigd7696]

Patriot? Because you have stupid views and think any product needs views to align? It's a product that either does what you want or it doesn't. All this political conspiracy garbage just loves to set up shop in cement heads, lol

[@granitegreg7883]

@@gk7588 I’m a patriot but not a veteran. Thank you though.

[@mrmudcatslim1004]

I don't keep up with it. Sad to hear if true. So many companies.

[@granitegreg7883]

@@mrmudcatslim1004 it’s very true.

[@jeffgiguere1880]

I have a 2020 Challenger DH. I just did the Harley demo event and rode the Road Glide CVO ST; impressive bike. $44k MSRP. I loved it, but then started to think and compare. Reality, the CVO honestly does nothing better, and definitely not worth the cash outlay to warrant trading in my Challenger. And to be completly honest, the non CVO would be a downgrade, just my opinion. I came from Harley, last was 2021 lowrider s; wanted a bagger, was ready to buy a 21 road glide special, then went to the indian demo; bought the challenger. I ride with an MC and took much heat for pulling up on the Indian, but once everyone looked at it, that went away. I wanted the CVO to be the bike but it just isn't even better to warrant $44k

[@pierrebornerot4689]

Indian sport chief is dope! Like the shocks on the outside. Its a beautiful bike, just give us more color scheme and a full fender.

[@lpd1snipe]

I'm an old guy. I've been riding 54 years on the street, and that includes riding many years on my 49 Pan. I noticed the Scout and the Sportster don't have proper fenders. Here in Florida, where I live, we ride year round. Evidently, the people buying those motorcycles don't ride in the rain, because after the first facefull of road water from the front and rooster tail from the rear, they'd want to replace those short fenders real quick.

[@mattshaggs2931]

Hey old guy...google "2025 Scout Classic" and "2025 Scout 60"

[@oweng.3102]

I have been riding all sorts of Japanese motorcycles for 3 decades and never needed service on a multi-state ride. I find it comical that dealership availability is a concern for long rides with these bikes. Pretty sad really...

[@jamessouthworth1699]

I've been riding Harleys for 20 years but they seem like they're getting out of control with pricing and displacement. I'm ready to jump ship to something lighter, smaller, and a better bang for the buck.

[@FacultyFan]

I think the pricing is what is getting ridiculous is what is keeping people off their bigger bikes. I had a guy tell me, when I told him I has a sportster 48, you need to be on a road king...Well, drop the price by 10k and I'll think about it.

[@charlesrocks]

The pricing is retarded.

[@jamessouthworth1699]

@@FacultyFan I went from a Sportster to a bigger Harley and realized the design of the bigger Harleys is not as reliable as the Sportster was. I regret selling my Sportster.

[@FacultyFan]

@@jamessouthworth1699 thanks for the heads up, I’m not parting with my sportster.

[@mickeygaines007]

@@jamessouthworth1699 hate to tell you but both brands are out of control with their pricing. Indians are at least as expensive as the Harley model they copy.

[@eb1941]

I give the edge to HD for fit and finish, but Indian for their Piursuit motor. I have two HDs with early twim cam engines. Both have spring tensions for the cam chains. I never got past that HD sold this engine, knowing it was defective. The stick it to the customer attitude of HD resulted in I will not buy another HD product.

[@lylethomsen7901]

That spring tensioner was a pain in the butt, so I had to fix mine with a new set of hydraulic tensioners, new and much better oil/scavaging pump, and new thicker and billet, not cast, Cam Plate with new bearings! Much better!

[@teemann8379]

​@@lylethomsen7901the only Way I could afford one was to buy a stock tc88

[@billbonu1639]

The ryde with pryde rain bow thing was it for me.sold mine a few years ago when I first found out about it and got a new fjr AKA rocketship.

[@enrico1856]

Well I'll tell you , after riding hd ( sportys, dynas, siftails and tourers) for 30 yrs+. I finally made tge jump and bought a Ducati Multistrada v2 ADV and couldn't be happier. The bike is everything and more than any cruiser could dream of being. Wish I've done it, years back but hey... better late than never. Ride on

[@joetroutt7425]

Yeah if you are a tall person. That bike looks like it is geared towards taller ppl wear as Harley even shorter ppl can ride and still place two feet on the ground. It looks more streamlined and minimalistic if we're talking in terms of baggers. It puts me more in the mind of a Pan America from Harley than any other bike. Apples to oranges if you ask me.

[@tombogaert1015]

Just wish there was more after market parts for Indian

[@pierrebornerot4689]

Yepp. Thats a big no no why u dont buy one...

[@michaelhudson303]

It doesn’t need them,just ride it.

[@CODIAK13]

@@michaelhudson303Your opinion must be more valid than his…

[@elbolillo2703]

Exactly why I left indian

[@captainmarvel2058]

I do as well, but I'd never give up my Scout.

[@TheRealJohnMadden]

After seeing a ton of Challengers on the road when I used to barely see Indians, I knew Harley was losing the battle. I gotta give it to Polaris for resurrecting Indian and making it into the amazing company it now is. The best thing about the new Scouts is not only the fact that all parts work on all Scouts, but you're also not breaking the bank to add RideCommand, cruiser control, near bars, or anything if you pick up the base model. Everything is so affordable that if you want the tech package but can't afford it now, you can just have Indian throw it all on later in its life. When it comes to financing, I think it's almost a guarantee for most people, they'll just give you a ridiculous interest rate to get you approved. The Indian dealer near me that has 7 other shops in the region that sell other brands has their own lending company and financing company so it makes it wicked easy lol.

[@davidbeauchamp9663]

Straight up bias toward Harley. I could tell just by your comments. I have ridden both. Definetly get more bang with your buck with indian. Service for Harleys are ridiculous. You are right about more service spots. That's it.

[@brooktech7869]

You obviously didn't watch the video or comprehend it the message. Indian has probably been a better bike for the last 5 or more years until 2024. The 2024 baggers closed that gap, has all the features for emergency built in, at 3k less than Indian.

[@vtwinlife4940]

Test rode HD street and Road Glides. Test road Indian Roadmaster for the win. For me it fit better. If HD is you, you do you. I think our biggest issue between HD and Indian is epa overeach. Liked Indian so much i sold my Roadking.

[@upminer6162]

I'm a Honda Cruiser Rider so not like my opinion really matters but Indian is just killing it. I may have bought the basic Sportster of years ago over my Shadow Aero just to have a Harley but I couldn't justify nearly twice the price for their cheapest models. The Indians are very impressive and seem to have an option for everyone. Problem for me is that I don't have a dealer within 3 hours. I saw a scout bobber at the gas station yesterday and it was beautiful and the guy paid like 10,500 for it so a couple grand more than my Shadow new, but twice the motor and everything else they are putting into them. If I had a dealer close it would have been a tough decision between my Honda and something like that.

[@samuelisch2196]

Did we watch a different video showing in every class, the Harley is now cheaper than the Indians?

[@MCH731]

I'll be honest price keeps me from even considering a new motorcycle. I have a 2002 VTX 1800RS that I ride and will continue due to crazy prices.

[@powellmountainmike8853]

I have been an Indian rider since 1972 when I bought a 1950 Arrow. I rebuilt it about a year after I bought it. Tore it down completely, and put it back together. Painted it at the same time, before reassembly. It has always been reliable. Back years ago I lived in Rhode Island, and I rode it all over New England.Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, a few times, and Massachusetts, and Connecticut often. In Rhode Island it was my daily driver for several years until I decided to save it from too much wear and bought a Honda CL450. I am glad to see the revived Indian company has survived its hard times and commend Polaris for sticking by them. Unlike Harley Indian is still 100% American made. I will close with two old Indian quotes. "Harley, Harley, made of tin, Ride 'em out but push 'em in" and, "What's the difference between a Harley rider and an Indian rider ? The Indian rider can READ." 🤣

[@markman7]

Don't forget to add the $2k+ in exhorbant Harley dealer fees on top of the price of the bike. Also, the RG and SG single dash screen with no needle gauges looks as cheap as a Tesla dash.

[@metalplaysgames]

Went from a 2017 Road Glide to a 2020 Challenger Limited and the polaris offering outshines the roadglide, i feel like the biggest issue is price with the polaris model, everything got more expensive after the put the indian badge but the quaility is no better than the victory badge equivalents

[@Creative_name_5]

If you're buying a motorcycle based on dealer network its hard to beat Honda. They have tons of small dealers in cities and rural communities. The other advantage of a Honda is that you can take it on a trip and not worry about what happens if it breaks. It just won't break.

[@Mayjay87]

I absolutely love my Indian Challenger, and Scout Bobber. The reason I liked Indian, is because of how good the Victory Octane looked. I still think Octane looks better than Scout. Hated riding both Sportster and Sportster XL. I'm a man that appreciates a good deal, so I choose Indian, because at the time, they were cheaper than Harley Davidson. Now Harley starts or cheaper on a lot of models. Including the Road Glide. But when I went to test ride a Road Glide, out the door was 38k. So I went with a used Challenger for 22k with 5k miles. Until the 24 model refresh, I thought Indian took the win. When I test rode that 24 Road Glide, man that's a great bike. Just couldn't do the price. There is a new Indian dealer that popped up on Cincinnati Ohio recently. So they're still growing. I would have had it rather be in Dayton to bridge the distance from dealer to dealer, because there is one in Walton, Ky not far away from Cincinnati. Either way, you go buy either one of these bikes, you'll be happy.

[@cbrippee]

Well damn. Thanks for this update. I too wish they had one in Dayton where there was a Victory dealer until they closed. However new dealer in Fairfield is only 48 miles south of me, I live in Darke County, Arcanum and have a Victory Cross County which started the tech on the PP 108 motor and am hankering for a Challenger. Rumours are in 2025 that PP 108 will be in some Chieftain models as well, may even go up to a PP 112.

[@ihknilsen]

I love motorcycles. I just wish both Indian and Harley would make an affordable entry level motorcycle. My local dealer does offer an affordable entry level bike at the Harley dealership, it’s called Royal Enfield.

[@theflatlandfanatic1158]

The Royal Enfield brand is separate and has been around for probably 70 or 80 years.

[@nickpapagiorgio8038]

They do offer an affordable entry level bike. Just because you don't like that model doesn't make it not affordable or entry level

[@ihknilsen]

@@theflatlandfanatic1158I’m well aware it’s a separate brand. I was just commenting that my local Harley dealer sells them also. I think it is excellent marketing by that dealer because it goers someone in the door. If they leave with a RE then great, if they leave with a HD also great!

[@Benroe-yz1nz]

Royal Enfields are pretty sweet

[@seangallagher7150]

Just like with a car, ya don't hafta buy new. There's a good amount of used Indians that are priced more affordably. Buy one and you won't be disappointed !

[@Ljbuddy12]

I'd like to see Indian make an adventure bike like Harley did with the Pan America.

[@justingoddard9589]

You'd think they would've already since polaris makes atv's

[@scottsingleton2951]

Me too, I think the FTR is half way there it just needs finished

[@justinclarke4226]

I’m all for the adventure bike, if the pan am wasn’t so ugly it would sell. I’ve had the gs and the pan am was close to it.

[@jerodwolford2743]

​@KLRJUNE so you never heard of the ftr then ain't? They don't just make cruisers bud. And most of the scout line will embarrass a lot of 600 street squids from stop light to stop light.

[@timturner9407]

@Ljbuddy12 oh please Polaris builds more than one adventure machine

[@carolinawoods-n-water4392]

I’m 54 & have never owned a motorcycle, but I’ve loved looking at them for many years, especially the Indian. I’m now researching them & am drawn even more towards the Indian: American made & the overall looks & aesthetics are 2 of the main reasons. The Scout Rogue is especially attractive due to its ride position & again, overall looks & lines. The other aspect is the availability of used bikes - seems there are several available due to riders upgrading. This is the start of a new journey for me & I’m going to take my time researching & learning. My biggest hurtle, besides $$$ is the fear of getting hurt. As a former LE officer, I’ve investigated motorcycle wrecks & I always said “I’ll never do that!” LOL! Anyway, like I said, I’ll be taking this slow & steady!

[@stevend8785]

Get a used, inexpensive, modest size dirt bike and practice in fields, trails in the woods and places like that first. You’ll get a few bruises but you’ll learn the body movements and physics of controlling the motorcycle in a lower stakes setting than buying a fancy new big bike and hitting the streets. Guys going that route sometimes don’t survive their first season. Like a 200 to 300cc Japanese dual sport.

[@kevindecker9444]

You should read what the Indian mechanic says about the cheap parts used on the Indians made in China. He is talking about internal parts being garbage. HD is probably the same. I think the HD engines are assembled in Mexico. This is why I stopped riding HD. I bought a BMW and it is German engineering at its best. Not much I dislike about the bike. I will be buying a 2025 Gold Wing next.

[@FeedThatAddiction]

@@kevindecker9444 I'm leaning in the same direction you are. Owned a 2007 Honda VTX since '13 and now ready to step it up to something better, but just can't justify an American bike when the BMW's and Goldwing's exist. Seeing as I watched this video I'm still researching.

[@shoomapadoo1141]

I have a 2016 victory highball and I couldn’t be happier as a minimalist. I can run 70/80 mph all day and zip up to every bit of 120 anytime with a twist of the wrist. I’ve never hit the rev limiter. Auto off turn signals, headlight high beam, kill switch, horn (I’ve installed caddy horns and I couldn’t be happier) and THATS IT! Yes that’s the total of the electronics on the hands. LOVE IT!

[@Just_Butter]

I miss building Vics. I however did not like the Vision bike. I'm also enjoying The Indain bulids the bikes are beautiful. Love working there.

[@NOBUxDrillz]

HDs also have auto turn off turn signals at least my 22 Road Glide does

[@big_ute]

@@NOBUxDrillz my 05 vrod has it too

[@zachphil0405]

Had an Octane. Loved that bike. If it wasnt for Polaris, I’d go over to Indian

[@ericschneider7294]

Agree, have several Victory motorcycles. Love them all. After the B.S. Polaris pulled with the Indian fiasco, I'll never give them another dollar.

[@wrczane]

I'm from South Africa and my experience with H-Ds and Indians is as follow. I rode an Indian Roadmaster in 2020 and long story short, it felt I was sitting in my favorite arm chair watching my favorite move at 130km/h. About a year later, I rode an Ultra and when I got back to the dealer I couldn't wait to get off it. Got a spasm in my thigh almost immediately after taking off, which was not my first time experiencing that riding a Harley. The buffeting on the Harley was unbearable, especially above 110km/h. I find it very strange the Indian had almost none. I also rode few softails in 2019 and a street glide. Of the 4 bikes I rode, the only I'd one consider buying was the heritage classic. Oh and why does Harleys not have a Neutral? One thing I did enjoy about the Indians is that you could change gear without using the clutch. Just close the throttle to release the torque off the gearbox and boom, onto the next gear. It's a shame there's so few Indians in SA and almost no 2nd ones available as I'd love to be able to have a Roadmaster or Pursuit one day

[@cameg1670]

I just purchased a new 23 Indian Challenger Limited for $23K. This is my third Indian and you can find more dealers willing to deal at Indian than HD.

[@conanthebarbarian1971]

I've heard that, I'm gonna get one

[@derekrubino]

I was at my local Indian dealership and I met a certified Harley tech that now works for Induan. I asked him what are some of the differences and he said there is a lot but to just simplify the answer he said Indian is light years ahead of Harley....talk aboit perspective 😊 I absolutely love my Springfield Cheif Dark Horse

[@Lordturisas1]

Springfield and Chief are different bikes.

[@jeremyelford7926]

A new employee of a company in competition with his old company says that his new company is way better than the old company...gosh, I've never heard of such absurdity...consider the source, then forget the subject...

[@brandonnickerson8934]

At 6'4" I struggle on the HDs, all of them. I fit fine without mods on my flashed V Star 1300 and Raider. I sat on a Springfield, and it fit like a glove. I love the Polaris floorboards. The Victory CCT floorboards were awesome. I can feel that carryover design on the Springer.

[@MattFellowswasHere]

Where is the diversity and inclusion for you? They’re not even building for people of your height. I think that Pan-America does go up and down… but what about the rest of the bikes?

[@richardvalitalo3670]

Buy what you like while you can, then ride it.

[@Steel143]

I have both. I find myself riding my Indian way more than my Harley. It's more comfortable, powerful, and looks better. Not to mention a lot fewer problems.

[@thomasthornton8979]

Not knocking harley at all but the attitude. "Its a polaris and i would never consider it" till factory scout gaps a softail off the line.

[@Bikerbug2020]

Harley is catching up, still not like the Indian. Own them both.

[@freebehindbars8654]

We don’t want an HD like an Indian, or 1 out of every 3 bikes bought in the US wouldn’t be an HD.

[@mattp.7318]

Harley-Davidson shouldn't be catching up to anyone when they've been the industry leader in their segment for literally more than a CENTURY.

[@classicrider103]

Harley needs to modernize? You obviously haven't seen any of the late model bikes.

[@brooktech7869]

@@TheBarbellBandit Hence the 2024 road and street glide remodel, hence why its past tense they already did it. If you want a bagger, you aren't beating Harley.

[@thomaskirkpatrick4031]

I've been a Harley fan since I was a child. I bought an 03 anniversary edition Fatboy softail. I sold it after the economy crashed. I learned a lot more about Harley Davidson before I bought the next one. There was no way I was going to spend 30 grand on a motorcycle. Especially one with the new M-8 engine in it. I ended up buying another Fatboy. But this one had the Evolution engine. Now I have no use or need for the factory or dealerships. Harley Davidson, the factory is going in the wrong direction of an American business normally supported by the blue collar customer. I know nothing about Indian. But I know I will never buy a new bike from Harley Davidson.

[@skratchmyass]

The Evo Fatboy is a bulletproof ride.. take care of her and she’ll return the favor for a long time.

[@ryanfoley2198]

I agree on your commentS....except about the M8 motor. The M8 is glorious, especially with a cam, ported head, and a big bore kit. Mine is a 128ci and it's dynoed at 160 ft lbs and 155 hp at the rear wheel. It wasn't cost effective, but nothing like 175 ft lbs at the Crank of a sodlftail :)

[@JohnnyRebKy]

I hear ya on not paying 30k! I always wanted a heritage softail and a new one is 26k now! That’s insane! So I bought a used 2016 with only 9500 miles on it for 11k on the private market. Local dealer had one just like it with 55k miles on it and wanted 14k for it. I’ll never buy a bike from a dealer. Anyhow mine is pretty much still a brand new bike in my opinion. Looks mint and barely broken in with 9500 miles. I paid cash for it too so no payments. I’ll prob ride it a LONG time. I tend to keep stuff long term. For 11k it’s one hell of a bike

[@thomaskirkpatrick4031]

@JohnnyRebKy Good for you. I hope you understand that your bike is considered "old" by the dealerships now. You might still be able to buy parts from them, but not for much longer. That's the problem I have.

[@JohnnyRebKy]

@@thomaskirkpatrick4031 I don’t really care what the dealer thinks. And you will be able to buy twin cam parts for a long long time. Private shops will gladly work on them if need be. My last bike was a 2002 wide glide with a carb twin cam 88. Never had an issue getting anything for it and local shop was happy to work on it if I needed it. So what the dealer thinks is least of my worries

[@olapalmquist9008]

We have had an 883 Iron and now a 2018 Street Bob. Grest bikes, but if I had to prioritize against our Scout Bobber and Springfield the H-D would be out on its ass in a second. The Indians are far superior.

[@eliara-thevoice8430]

Agree. Indians are in another league.

[@etishbite456]

That's all it takes get out and try the bikes.

[@scottstross5834]

Speaking of dealerships. My wife was looking at an entry level bike, so we were going to try out both Indian and Harley. We had such a bad experience at Harley that we went with a Scout and she couldn't be happier. It was almost like they didn't want a woman owning a Harley.

[@jamessmoth8683]

There are harley dealerships that are know for not the best customer service. I had a bad experience with Van Nuys harley, there are no longer there.

[@BenGooding-fp6oi]

Your wife definitely knows how to ride.

[@davidvaughn7778]

I have a 2016 Ultra, I'm loving it so far. That being said, I loath going into the Harley dealers. I've yet to go to an Indian dealer, so I can't comment. But the constant HD "you need to upgrade, upgrade upgrade" in your face attitude. Then after you slog through the douchebag salesmen to the parts department, you have to deal with the "your bike is getting kind of old, you should upgrade" bullshit. again. It's exhausting.

[@cameg1670]

A few years ago me and my coworker were in the market for new bikes. We stopped at our neighborhood HD dealer and they acted like they were doing us a favor. After that treatment I contacted the Indian dealer which is about 80 miles away it was night and day! Closed the deal via email. Since then I have bought two more bikes from them each transaction as easy as the first one.

[@billbonu1639]

If a dude showed up in rain bow gear they'd welcome them with open arms.

[@BlakLyon-c5q]

I own a 2024 Indian Challenger DH . Test road the HD 2024 Road Glide . The Indian is night and day from the HD. All the weight is in the bottom of the Challenger which makes it feel much lighter and agile. Then you have the standard bells and whistles. I've seen the 2024 Road Glide has had so many problems. I'm definitely glad I went with my Indian.

[@brooktech7869]

2024 has zero problems, youu picked the wrong year to compare those, the road glide is a beast of a machine. Arguably better than the challenger at 3k less. The only issue with the 2024 road glide is its speakers suck.

[@BlakLyon-c5q]

@@brooktech7869 Some owners of the 2024 Harley-Davidson Road Glide have reported issues with the motorcycle, including starting problems, front fork squeaking, and lights coming on amongst other miscellaneous issues. Even the creator of this video reported these things himself.

[@hondahoon2479]

@@BlakLyon-c5qI have a 24 Road Glide and I haven’t had any issues with mine.

[@cameg1670]

Sadly it’s the luck of the draw. As an Indian owner there are problems with Challenger’s and Pursuit’s too. My two Chieftains were trouble free hopefully that continues with the Challenger!

[@williamardenjr116]

@@hondahoon2479thrust me there is videos of the new Harley’s having issues!

[@awkipintee]

After owning both, a beautiful Indian Scout and the 2023 anniversary Heritage Classic it’s Indian all the way. That vibe and the community is just far more rewarding. The Harley vibe is just blah, no one takes a second look. You ride Indian and everybody wants to talk to you. That’s my experience.

[@peternorton5648]

I’ve never owned an Indian. I’ve got nothing against them but I don’t really care for the looks of most of what I’ve seen. That being said I get comments and compliments on my HD custom sportster every time I take it out. If you step away from basic black people notice your ride.

[@rcnelson]

The Indian is still a novelty, and novelty draws attention. That doesn't mean it's a better bike, although for all I know it could be. I see a lot of complaints about the Harley "community." Blah. I'd ride a Harley if it suited me and the devil with the "community."

[@jeremyelford7926]

So, you're really concerned about public image? Then Indian is definitely the bike for you...I've never met an Indian rider who did not make a statement very similar to yours...invariably what they are trying to communicate is this: "hey, look at me! I'm riding a V-Twin cruiser that's not a Harley-Davidson!" All of the fellow HD riders that I know couldn't possibly care less what anyone thinks of our bikes...

[@btrsmokeyt9524]

Sitting here thinking, Damn! Forgot to replace the toilet paper!

[@sportsterbill]

Pappy Hoel who basically started the Sturgis Rally owned an Indian Dealership and Indian also built bikes for the war effort. So both brands have been around since the beginning.

[@fancypelusa2863]

Good point!

[@joeparrino3745]

Just bought my first Indian, Vintage Chief,wish I didn't waste money and aggravating service and finance crap with Harley for so many years. Never got so many compliments on over 23 Harleys I've owned over the years, this thing is super comfortable, fast, easy riding ever,absolutely love it

[@vmonk1474]

I was on H-D for 30 years. I still like 'em, but I'm happy with my Indian Pursuit and FTR Rally. If I lived in the flatlands, I probably wouldn't like the FTR as much. But living in western NC with twisty roads everywhere, like The Snake, The Diamondback, The Dragon, the FTR is freaking badass.

[@billbonu1639]

Id move.I hate twisty roads.

[@TheScrubmuffin69]

​@@billbonu1639 spoken like a true harley rider

[@FeedThatAddiction]

@@TheScrubmuffin69 right!? Who in the heck loves bikes but hates curves!? Even a cruiser is more fun in the twisties.

[@darkhorse1989]

I have a 2020 roadglide and a chieftain 2019 darkhorse. Love them both. Indian definitely better bang for the buck. Miss my suspension, locking bags, adjustable windshield, better sound system

[@jdhreiss]

On my Kawasaki, I never rode "dealer to dealer". I went where I wanted to. 135k miles without a problem.

[@dreambrew]

I bought a Super Chief Limited and absolutely love it!

[@pilot_cowboy_nerd]

I have a 2023 Scout Sixty and I love this bike! It took me and my wife from Canada to North Carolina and then back. With no issues, plenty of power ann awesome handling.

[@TruthSeeker9038]

I get a hell of a lot of compliments on my Indian. To me it was a no brainer buying it. Better tech, better design, smoother ride, more power, fraction of the cost. And also, Indian was the first motorcycle put in to use with the military, not Harley

[@earlkozak6538]

I bought a new 2023 Pursuit Dark Horse Premium last August. Had the wobble issue. My dealership and Indian handled it great! Love my Pursuit. Love my Road king. Love my 2003 Victory V92C as well! As for what you ALWAYS pick just come out and say you prefer HD no matter what. It's what you own. It's not a surprise. I'm not bagging you for it at all but I believe you would be better served just coming out and saying you like HD better. You act like you really agonize over your pick but be honest. To yourself and your subscribers. It's plain to see you prefer HD. And that's OK. Just run with it! OK? All my best brother and stay safe riding!

[@Motorider50]

Tire issue? I heard it was a bad batch of tires?

[@earlkozak6538]

@Motorider50 I heard everything from a bad batch of tires to improper tire storage to bad molds. Who knows? Bottom line is that it was the tires. I had Dunlop American Elite tires put on my Pursuit and trouble was gone completely!

[@dangillis761]

I ride a 78 kz650 the perfect motorcycle it will do everything reasonably well.

[@oldsparky14]

I own a HD RKS but I must admit that new Indian scout looks very good for around town bike

[@christopherridgway1850]

I ended up going with the Nightster special to get my bearings back after 10 years off a bike. Definitely have buyers remorse and should have gone Indian hands down. Indian scout in my opinion is so much better than the Nightster. It’s night and Day.

[@LordHolley]

In my opinion, Harley has been a bloated, bureaucracy filled company on the cusp of going under for a very long time. Indian has come along and shown Harley what it was supposed to be doing the whole time.

[@mvz820]

I own both. indian is better hands down .if your planning a road trip i dont have to worry about breaking down .

[@jonathandantonio649]

You mean except in fit, finish, and build quality?

[@williamsaldanah3554]

I love my 24 Road Glide, picked it up a week ago. Went to Indian and they just looked at me. I’m into technology and found Harley to be superior, I’ve heard Indian has had many electronics issues and the TFT display was anemic and dated.

[@NicePantsLance]

What technology does the Road Glide have, that the Challenger doesn't?

[@louisjohnsonjr.4934]

Indian for me. Not really one that has liked harley. They have great bikes but the Indian with its quality and reliability and overall looks better to me and better deal far as bang for the buck makes Indian a clear choice for me.

[@jonathandantonio649]

The Indians have excellent designs and features, but the Harleys have noticeably better build quality and hold up much better over time.

[@munkeenevahrong239]

If only we had Jay Leno money we'd all own 3 Harleys and three Indians.

[@jps4737]

Ive had both brands. Cannot see how the the Road glide motor is better than the Challenger motor. Obviously the other way round to me.

[@pjp6134]

Hi guys from NZ. I ride Honda CB1100EX it is my dream bike and doesn't dissappoint in any way. In NZ cruiser riders don't wave. They think they're above waving to non cruiser riders. A whole different subject. If I could afford a BIG cruiser it would be Harley all the way and I'd remember to wave to all riders.

[@ckenoshmeg3963]

Just got the Rebel 1100. Love it! I'll wave to skateboarders if they do. Just have fun and ride safe.

[@eliara-thevoice8430]

​@ckenoshmeg3963 Love love love Honda Rebels. Hondas....in my humble opinion are much more reliable than any Harley.

[@pjp6134]

@@eliara-thevoice8430 the CB1100 is a retro 4 ciylinder bit different to the Rebel

[@namnik1]

Lived in NZ 30 years ago...oh how lucky you are riding a bike in such a beautiful setting. Ride safe.

[@billbonu1639]

Got a new fjr and cruiser riders know better than to even play with it.If they have a problem I'll just challenge them to a title for title race and have a new cruiser for free.if things were to really get serious I'd go grab my stripped down gen 1 that goes 0-60 in 2.7 seconds 0-100 in 7 flat and runs consistent 10.20s in the quarter mile.but like I said, they know better.

[@luisfernandohernandez5310]

A better title for this video is: "26 minutes praising Indian for being better at everything just to finish saying '☮️ I love Harley, maaaaaan! I just love Haaaaarleys ☮️'". Giving the win to Harley for being better at nothing is not helping them at all, that is the whole reason why they're in the brink of bankruptcy. A better and more realistic way to finish your video could've been: "as much as I love Harley, they need to improve and get real with their pricing to drive more sales through their doors".

[@johnmakel8056]

I guess everyone forgot the Victory lineup by Polaris. Forgot how they dropped that line on bikes that had alot of appeal.

[@mattp.7318]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@chris-q8v9u]

Loved my Vegas and my buddies cross country tour is phenomenally still !

[@jonathandantonio649]

And screwed their loyal customers.

[@tjf2258]

Both are really pushing each other to build true American Classics. For me the HDs are still the standard bearer of American motorcycles…Indian has some awesome bikes as well. Gotta have both. Agree on the dealers as HD pushes you to ride and buy. Here in Texas the Indian dealer wants a deposit and or initial credit check…totally stupid approach if you ask me

[@BishopSisemore]

but indian was the first motorcycle company in the united states. a quick fact lol

[@cameg1670]

Wow my Indian dealer operates completely different. They let you test ride as long as to are licensed and have proper safety gear.

[@Uselesshandlw]

@@tjf2258 same the Indian El Paso dealership was great they have taken care of me and I’ve had no issues with anything they are also super quick to get my bike work done and are also quick on getting parts installed over all would recommend the HD dealership in burleson TX on the other hand is a nightmare my dad had a horrible experience with them trying to fix his sportster and being incredibly lazy about it I also let him ride my 23 scout when I came home and my dad was so happy with it his next bike is going to be a Indian scout 101 but he still likes his sportster and said he would never part with it I rode it many times and agree it’s unique tailored to him being cafed out one of the few good Harley platforms in my opinion

[@mrdude3540]

Harley Davidson is threatened by Indian. Indian has made a big dent and have been taking customers from them for a while now this is a good thing for both manufactures.

[@Smitty-J]

I worked for a guy that had Harley since he was 16 years old he traded in every one of his harley's 4 a Indian.

[@fancypelusa2863]

I own a 2003 Indian spirit roadmaster, a beautiful bike. It's getting harder to source parts to keep it on the road but it's still my most treasured possession.

[@tuff98daddy]

Huh have to interject here on your last comments about Harley. So Indian is and will always be the first American motorcycle company. It was patterned and produced in 1901 Harley came out 2 years later in 1903. As far as world war Indian put all of there production into both of those wars when Harley only produced 45% of there production toward both conflicts. Indian never really recovered form this and are 100% patriots for doing what they did. It would be better information if you knew your history about both company's before making comments on them when it comes to their patriotism. Now yes Indian is more expensive but is a much more superior bike in a lot of ways Tech and Power which are out of the box no extras needed. I have seen the performance big bore kits of Lloyds and Harley and there is really no comparison when a 126 is out performing a 131 yep. Indian is not for everyone and Harley is also not for everyone but in my opinion just like yours Indian is my bike and will always be my bike of choice.

[@dieselbaldwin]

This.

[@michaelchambers3230]

Been on a Victory Cross Country for about 8 years now. Still love it like the day I bought it. If God forbid it ever went down on me, I am sticking with Polaris. Indian line looks and to me, performs better. I have teased myself test riding both and hands down, the smoothness of the Indian is uncomparable

[@noskcaj117]

13:47. The term you're looking for is naked or naked sport bike. Additionally, it's only outside the box for Indian and Harley. Nearly every other manufacturer has one, usually multiple bukes that fit in the category. I like Harley to ride but considering the price vs the fit and finish I don't see a reason to buy one besides the name.

[@noskcaj117]

* bikes *

[@raybrown7657]

I have a Challenger. Love it. The competition was good for the whole market. Harleys 2024 bagger lineup is a huge offering. I love all bikes. But to Harley purist who hate Indian. Indian caused you to get a way better bike too. It's all good.

[@PotatoeJoe69]

The Nightster's MSRP might be $12,000, but because HD markups are insabe, you are not getting that bike for less than $16,000. Where the Indian is 13k MSRP, you are gonna ride it out of the dealership for $15k.

[@bobkrueger194]

I always wanted a HD...until I rode an Indian. Feels more refined and more agile. Plus...you get bags that don't look like add ons from sampsonite.

[@mr.funkalicioussplendiferous]

Harley Touring models are just getting too short for me. I don't like the "new" shorter look. When I trade my 2014 Street Glide Special, it will be for an Indian.

[@matthuber1333]

Wisconsinite here. Not an HD fan, putting it lighty. I've been yelled at countless times with "get a real bike" while riding a non HD.. That all said, Im minutes from Milwaukee, my family is from Milwaukee, I own 2 Indians, a Triumph, Ducati, Yamaha, Suzuki. I say all that to say,.. It is Harley DaviDson.. Not Harley Davis-son...... Have some respect if not for the brand, the English language sheesh.....🥂

[@MattFellowswasHere]

Yeah, he’s leaving after the “D” because it stands for diversity- true American patriots can’t have that…

[@markd7762]

Back in the day Victory was king. Yamaha had the road warrior. Suzuki had the M109R. Harley has been playing catch up for years.

[@petrkarv]

The new 2026 lineup starts with the pridester starting at $36 grand and all the way up to the pride glide starting at $60 grand. I'm sure they will do real well

[@NorCal-refrigeration]

If you switch from Harley to Indian dose that make you a trans - Davidson ????😮😂😂🤘⚡️🤘✨✨✨✨

[@mrdude3540]

Dose? Think you need to go back to night school

[@tripacer8259]

How's that Road Glide working out for you? You never mentioned the Indian's are liquid cooled?

[@robertopod1968]

An Indian rolling up anywhere gets looks and compliments in a sea of Road glides and street glides. People used to buy HD to be different and a rebel. Now they are everywhere all the time.

[@RESET1776]

As someone who has just over 40 years of riding behind me it’s broken my heart watching HD getting flushed down the toilet. Real Harleys don’t have radiators, full stop! Hell, if you go to HD’s you tube channel it’s nearly 95% BS with 5% focused on the bikes😂 Sorry, but they’ve destroyed the brand & the only thing keeping them relevant is the nostalgia of a time & machine that’s LONG gone.

[@EngineeredChannel]

Yeah, why would you ever want to make the bike better performing by using liquid cooling. Sacrilege!

[@BudKash]

Love yer screen name, speaking of nostalgia. Last Harley I had, '07 Fatboy, had that infamous rear cylinder overheat problem that they contrived a solution for, which was to make the computer shut it down until it cools a bit. Imagine my surprise when this happened, and I was suddenly running on one jug, when I was stopped in traffic headed up a steep hill going home on a hot day. I'll take the one with the radiator, thank you.

[@RobertMountfort]

Good thing about Harleys is you don't need Harley Davidson to keep them running

[@dohcsmr1175]

I bought an Indian Chief 4 years ago. It literally fell apart underneath me. I now own a Harley Heritage. No contest The Harley is smoother, pulls harder through the entire rev range and is bulletproof reliability wise. You need to be honest with this. The Harley is better. Better looking, better reliability and better resale.

[@rkline3644]

I'll stick with my 2015 Victory Vision. Had this bike for nine plus years. Ridden up and down the East coast, rode cross continent from PA to Dead Horse, Alaska to Key West, Florida, back to PA. NO ISSUES. Polaris did Victory wrong. They let Victory put out "too" many designs instead of improving on what worked best IMHO.

[@talonmckenna5986]

I ride a 2015 Magnum.

[@nonsononessunooko4066]

problem is the CEO 2 years ago he was like " harley will be a luxury brand" yeah buddy it aint working

[@turbohusque]

Both companies want too damned much for an effing motorcycle. Indian is superior technically, with liquid cooling and more power. HD hates their customer base and is on the verge of becoming irrelevant. I want a real Harley which is why I ride a 91 FXR. But aside from the heritage, as far as HD is concerned, I dont exist. Indian dealerships are more reserved, quiet and dignified. HD dealerships and the feel is just like a frat party. I love HD. I think the V-Rod is the Way they should have gone, Indian has amazing looks and tech. Both are asstardedly costly, and I'm not paying that much. I can get a Honda or Yamaha that is 20 years old for less than half as much that will run until the wheels fall off. Keeping my FXR, thanks.

[@roymoderatto]

I own 3 FXR’s and a Dyna. I’ve had other Harleys. I agree with you. But, aside from pricing, HD actually ended up building our dream bike.. (thanks to @zenofneato). The Lowrider ST is amazing. But I can’t afford it… I love the esthetics of Indian’s engines. The rest of the appointments, too plasticky… I love to watch Motoamerica King of the Baggers… I hope for a new category of mid sized cruisers. Competition is good.

[@cameg1670]

That’s the reason I almost never buy new cars included. I made the exception on my Challenger because of the almost $9K discount.

[@billbonu1639]

Do what I did and get an fjr.

[@turbohusque]

@@billbonu1639 why the hell would I buy that? It's a fekkin sport touring bike. No. Just...no. Yamaha yes. Sport touring, no.

[@BudKash]

You know the V-Rod motor was actually commissioned out to Porsche right? Yeah, I remember following that story and their endurance testing in Nevada, thinking it was way past due. But as you say, the Harley attitude should have put them out of business a long time ago, and would have if not for all the bailout money... how many times? So, the way I see it, Harley owes me a bike for all my taxes they sucked up, which I'll never see.

[@robm6755]

Last week i purchased a pre owned 2018 indian springfield... this is an eye catcher... 111 thunder stroke , really smooth bike

[@jasonbreedlove495]

Last year I was really looking at swapping from Harley and trying out an Indian Challenger or Chieftain, from a 17 Streetglide. I stayed with harley and the main reason, the dealership experience. I felt like they really didn't give a crap, never offered a demo ride, I had to tell them I wanted to ride one. Price was absurd at the dealer in KCMO, so I walked. I'm a harley guy, but when time allows I still want to add a Indian Springfield next to my 24 Roadglide. Whiskey Fire for the win, and LHHD made a killer deal and made the purchase fun.

[@maxxbenzz7842]

I can't get used to the overhead cam look of newer engines. I love to see those pushrods. I know, it's stupid. Lol

[@gundampatriot9103]

Where/who is LHHD? I went back to Rawhide HD in Olathe but they were overpriced crazy

[@jasonbreedlove495]

@@gundampatriot9103 loess Hills HD up in Pacific Junction.

[@etishbite456]

​@@maxxbenzz7842pushrod is 200 year old trash.

[@LarsDanner]

Modern Harleys are for shorter riders. My 1995 Dyna Convertible fits my 6-3 body, but even then i had to add longer socks and fork extensions to make it fit right. No way would any of the newer stuff work for me. If i ever get a new bike it will need to be an Indian.

[@RadfordParsons]

Had that problem with a 2019 RK. Added the Tall Boy seat to compensate. You're exactly right.

[@deandesrosiers6857]

Title is click bait-ish. Your knowledge of the bikes and comparisons is insightful. In 2023 I would have bought the challenger, in 24, I bought the Road Glude. Indian’s influence us clearly benefiting Harley types and vice versus.

[@chriskennedy2039]

Have a 2019 Chieftan Darkhorse and a 2022 Scout 60. Both incredible machines, both blacked out. Ive done a few things 2 the Darkhorse, and the compliments i get (including from HD riders r non-stop). Indian for me, but bottom line is the ride, whatever u choose 2 wheels up!

[@zachphil0405]

Polaris is keeping me from Indian. They pissed me off with what they did to Victory. Essentially ripped off the “Scout” from the Octane. Renamed the bike and jacked up the price $5000. Did they ever actually let go of the Victory brand?

[@FriedPi-mc5yt]

After riding Japanese and European bikes for decades. I decided to buy a Harley. I got a Road King and love that thing. It holds the line on the road like no other bike I’ve owned. I could ride it hands off the handle bars for an hour if the road is good and straight. The bonus is the aftermarket support. When my Honda reached the end of its miles, I just junked it because it couldn’t easily be rebuilt. The bike was 22 years old and no one could provide new parts for a rebuild. I loved that bike and would have rebuilt the engine if it was economically feasible. At least with the Harley, I know I can rebuild it from now on. There are still plenty of parts available for the old Shovelhead engines and Evo engines. You would likely have no trouble finding parts for knuckleheads and panheads. I really like my Harley. But I really hate Harleys management.

[@jonathandantonio649]

I know that exact feeling on the Road King. Juggernaut stable!