Has James White Accepted Roman Catholicism? With Ted Alexander

[@JGDeRuvo]

If White is a Catholic, he’s going to be the one turning off the lights in purgatory. 😂😂😂

[@ChristisLord2023]

If we can get him to the position of pope he can change doctrine and put things the way Jesus wanted them.

[@chanano1689]

@@ChristisLord2023good luck with Francis

[@ChristisLord2023]

@@chanano1689 did you somehow think I was Roman Catholic?

[@jonathancrocker366]

What a terrible place to be: KJV onlyism, slander, denial etc... I was there. Praise God for delivering me from that hold.

[@PETERJOHN101]

Oh, I'm sure that happened. 🤭

[@DillonJan]

KJVism is like the Christian version of the Muslim view on the Quran.

[@davidemme2344]

I was there too though I would say I outright rejected some behaivors. This when in bible college and walked up on a bunch of "preacher boys" in a circle discussing White and the book. After a few minutes of listening in, someone asked me what I thought of James White? My answer? "I don't think anything of James white. I know nothing about him, never heard him preach or teach nor read any books or articles he might have written so I do not think anything of him. How can I? I know nothing about him." That did not go over well in that circle and future ones. Obviously more to this story I am not sharing. Unbeknownst to me-I did not know he was a Calvinist as the summer before (this was in the fall semester so not really too far from this conversation) I had adopted Calvinism from just studying the scriptures both sides appealed to. In fact I will say this-as much as I have learned about KJV Onlyism and Calvinism from James White-adopted or dispensed with a belief without his influence....I am sure he influenced me on KJV Onlyism as I would not leave that view until many years later. It was because I thought to myself one day-there is nothing in the text of scriptures about English, the KJV or a 17th century monarch comissioning a translation-can I say my view is really bible based since I cannot find anything about the KJV in the scriptures? That was good enough for me and I believe it was the Holy Spirit who planted that thought in my mind.

[@sellmorehomesnow]

I have to admit.. I’ve been so blessed by watching Dr. White defend Christ’s Gospel faithfully and humbly. He definitely has been a help to me.

[@uncletacosupreme7023]

If James White is a catholic, then the King Follett discourse is inspired. 🙄

[@truth7416]

Calvinism is just another form or branch of Catholicism! Infant baptism. Salvation only found in their man made system. Torture in Hell ! Listen to James Whites founder: God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) Like the Catholic Priests, Calvinists really like to dressing up in Black and wear large crosses around their necks. They are both teach in a love less and arrogant manner. Both systems burned people at the stake for disagreeing with them. Where do you sign up? Or perhaps you want to Follow Jesus Christ as told in the Bible. He loves you and wants to save you! Listen to this. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. TRUTH IN LOVE

[@mkshffr4936]

@@truth7416 Umm... James White is Credo Only. Calvinists are so Roman Catholic that Rome anathematized them and tried to wipe them out.

[@barryclevenger7456]

@@truth7416 lolololol

[@truth7416]

@@mkshffr4936 So right. The pope job was taken so Calvin knew he could start a new heresy and the same gullable people would follow him. It worked and is still working today. The public record doesn't go away. Calvinists have tried to bury things like this article but it just won't bury! Look at the body count of the new pope of Calvinism John Calvin. The victims are listed, followed by references, (A)…(L), the URLs of which are at the bottom. A. Execution 1. Jacques Gruet (A)”Thus the State issued dogmatic decrees, the force of which had been anticipated earlier, as when Jacques Gruet, a known opponent of Calvin, was arrested, tortured for a month and beheaded on July 26, 1547, for placing a letter in Calvin’s pulpit calling him a hypocrite. Gruet’s book was later found and burned along with his house while his wife was thrown out into the street to watch.” (C)”Calvin cut off the head of Jacques Gruet “for having written impious letters, libertine verses, and for working to overthrow ecclesiastical ordinances.” (D)Quoting Stephan Zweig’s “The Right to Heresy”: “Jacques Gruet was racked and then executed merely for having called Calvin a hypocrite.” (E)”This regime was resisted by a party incorrectly described as ‘Libertines’, which Calvin succeeded in overcoming by force. Among the opponents executed after torture were Jacques Gruet (1547), Raoul Monnet (1549), and, best known, Michael *Servetus (1553).” (F)”Even eminent men were not safe from Calvin’s control. Jacques Gruet was beheaded for blasphemy, treason, and a threat to the ministers.” (J) 2. Giovanni Valentino Gentile (A)and(G)”Another victim of Calvin’s fiery zeal was Gentile of an Italian sect in Geneva, which also numbered among its adherents Alciati and Gribaldo. More or less Unitarian in their views, they were required to sign a confession drawn up by Calvin in 1558. Gentile signed it reluctantly, but in the upshot he was condemned and imprisoned as a perjurer. He escaped only to be twice incarcerated at Berne where, in 1566, he was beheaded.” (H) & (I) Very full accounts of Gentile 3. Michael Servetus Is much needed about him? Is there any debate about his murder? (A) (C)”Seven years before the conference which was now to take place in Calvin’s house on the proposals of the queen-mother, Michel Servet, a Frenchman, travelling through Switzerland, was arrested at Geneva, tried, condemned, and burned alive, on Calvin’s accusation, for having “attacked the mystery of the Trinity,” in a book which was neither written nor published in Geneva.” (E)(J) 4. Raoul Monnet (E) (J)page 223 “This regime was resisted by a party incorrectly described as “Libertines, which Calvin succeeded in overcoming by force.Among the opponents executed after torture were Jacques Gruet (1547), Raoul Monnet (1549), and best known, Michael Servetus (1553). By 1555, however, all resistance had ceased and Calvin was the uncontested master of the city.” 5. Others (A)”Calvin also had twenty women burned at the stake after accusing them of causing a plague that had swept through Geneva in 1545.” (A)”Calvin did not shrink from his self-appointed task. Within five years fifty-eight sentences of death and seventy-six of exile, besides numerous committals of the most eminent citizens to prison, took place in Geneva.” (F)”A heretic who also was an anti-Trinitarian was burned at the stake.” NOTE: Probably Servetus B. Banishment (mere banishment!) 1. Castellio (A)”Gruet’s death was more highly criticized by far than the banishment of Castellio or the penalties inflicted on Bolsec - moderate men opposed to extreme views in discipline and doctrine, who fell under suspicion as reactionary.” (B) (K) Very full account of Castellio 2. Bolsec (A)(B)(F)”Jerome Bolsec, a physician who attacked Calvin’s doctrine of predestination, was banished.” (L) 3. Others (A)”Calvin did not shrink from his self-appointed task. Within five years fifty-eight sentences of death and seventy-six of exile, besides numerous committals of the most eminent citizens to prison, took place in Geneva.” A. www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm B. www.gospeltruth.net/heres…_chap5.htm C. www.worldwideschool.org/l…hap16.html D. www.dimensional.com/~randl/calvin.htm E. www.gospelcom.net/chi/HER…l047.shtml F. www.churchlink.com.au/chu…alvin.html G. www.newadvent.org/cathen/03195b.htm H. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc…xv.xiv.htm I. online.sksm.edu/ouh/chapter/13_XIII.html J. The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church; F.L. Cross and E.A. Livingstone; Oxford University Press; K. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc….xv.ix.htm (different page from H) L. www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc…v.viii.htm John Calvin is a man who is held up by many evangelicals as an example of the most perfect systematic theologian that ever lived. And yet it would appear that he did not even meet the basic requirements of a NT overseer/bishop as to godly character! 1 Tim 3:2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. The New Testament approach to false teachers is the precise opposite of what Calvin’s modus operandi was: 2 Tim 2:24 The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses {and escape} from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will. As to the relationship of his doctrine to his practice, as he plainly taught that everything that happens is God’s will (I can provide the quotes if you would like), then it necessarily follows that he considered everything he did as God’s will, even having his detractors beheaded, burned at the stake, or banished. I’m saying that one’s theology inevitably works out in one’s practice, and this was all too apparent in the life of John Calvin. If I had someone who disagreed with my theology put to death (had I the political power Calvin had), would I be qualified to teach the Word of God? One’s actions don’t have any bearing on the authenticity of one’s teaching? It seems to me that we should hold ANY theologian to the same moral standard as any other teacher in the body of Christ. [e-mail] YES John Calvin is Calvinism. Is this the man they hold up as a man of God? This information about this monsters life is in the public record and cannot be swept under the carpet. By their fruit you shall know them. Calvinism is a CULT! TRUTH IN LOVE

[@mkshffr4936]

@@truth7416 need to change your handle buddy.

[@magepunk2376]

I’m a former IFB, my old church actually supported Brother Alexander’s ministry. One of the main reasons I left is because of this whole, “only listen to other IFBs! Don’t listen to anyone else!” It’s a bubble, an echo chamber. Frankly, it’s very cult-like. I’m glad I left. A denomination like theirs survives on deception, but they have a huge problem these days because information is abundant and free. Their people can easily look up what they’re being taught and see that it is blatantly false. IFB days are numbered. It’s only a matter of time before this already small denomination shrinks into nothing. The sooner the better.

[@zidanesousa18]

I spit my water out when I read this title

[@marchosch3876]

I know I'm two years late, but if James White has accepted Roman Catholicism, he sure has a funny way of showing it.

[@SolaScriptura21]

The mentality of the kjvo groups are the same/similar to the SDA church, especially historic adventism. Very cultic.

[@SolaScriptura21]

@@songstress2024 there has been a small KJVO movement within adventism, imagine that.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@@songstress2024 not nearly as bad as Calvinist though..

[@SolaScriptura21]

Definetly worse

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

The hypocrisy of a Calvinist calling someone else cult like..LOL..Thats rich boy ...

[@franceshaypenny8481]

For the title to be true, either that dude is a deranged liar - or Doc White has had a recent head injury.

[@LOT116]

Nah! Just a click bait :)

[@Henry._Jones]

Well, this is very disappointing . . . I've followed James White for years, learned so much from him and been edified by his work. Such a shame that's he's a plant of the Roman Catholi-- WHUUUUUUUUUT?!?!??????? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sellmorehomesnow]

NGL… he had me in the first half… but we caught up in the end

[@Kenneth-nVA]

Saint James White… love it🙌🏻

[@noknoktv374]

Hahah st

[@nicobrits5111]

I once counted more than 30 items in the KJV translators the KJVO IFBs just find abhorrent. Eg they are from the polluted stream, they sprinkle babies, they wear robes, they are liturgical, they are called reverent etc etc

[@bboylebron]

I really have to admire Dr White for demonstrating so much patience in dealing with individuals as delusional as this guy is...

[@Mic1904]

Yup 😂 The KJV translators were exactly the kinds of people that KJV-Only IFBs would deem Romanist and Papists teaching beastly false doctrine.

[@bman5257]

If the atheists are right about multiple universes, which they aren’t. There’s one where James White is Pope.

[@amichiganblackman3200]

That visual alone is hilarious 😂

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Still more legitimate than Francis

[@caleb4015]

I have noticed something with our KJVO Christian brothers and sisters, there is usually a pride issue.

[@colintyler1405]

I strongly suspect, my friend, that you will find pride on both sides of this debate, if you look closely. It is part of the flesh after all.

[@Morethangood.]

Wow it’s 10:46 pm on a Wednesday night, I have work tomorrow at 6 am… (a lot of it) and I’m sitting here laughing at 5:30 in this video profusely in 2024…… Praise Jesus

[@JamesJones-dy2op]

i love your videos on textual criticism i am a anglican augustinian am a friend of randy booth

[@TheTheologyZone]

If James is a Roman Catholic, he is not a good one. 1. He denies all the Marian dogmas. 2. The Council of Trent anathematized his doctrine of justification. 3. He rejects the papacy. 4. He rejects baptismal regeneration. 5. He rejects purgatory and indulgences. 6. He rejects the sacerdotal priesthood. 7. He rejects transubstantiation.

[@hwilliampolenz6713]

Hmm.... am I the only one thinking that Protestants calling each other Catholics when they disagree with one another is peculiar? Why not be a "Greek only" or a "Latin only" Christian? I don't get it.

[@KristiLEvans1]

@@duranbailiff5337 bubble? Yeah. White is in a bubble, between countless debates with Catholics, Muslims and atheists, and street-evangelizing to Mormons. He’s trapped, all right. He needs to get out and be challenged more often.

[@bassistguy13]

So many people in the comments are comparing the systematic theology of "Calvinism" (i.e. Reformed Theology) with Gnosticism. Can anyone help me understand how the two are being considered similar? I am not tracking with the assertion at all..

[@bradevers8718]

I really thought this was clickbait. Someone truly believes JW is a RC? This world is growing stranger by the day.

[@ysobel14517]

jejeje😁 I knew James would cross the Tiber some day. Welcome home to Rome, James!! 😜

[@jamesarendse9739]

LOLROF I think he sneaked across at night.

[@amikkelsen]

Lol

[@mkshffr4936]

Chuckle.

[@colintyler1405]

I thought it was the Rubicon, but my history could be better.

[@ysobel14517]

@@colintyler1405 Hi Colin 🙂 Crossing the Rubicon is shorthand for saying someone has made an irrevocable decision or act. It comes, as you probably know, from Julius Caesar marching on Rome and crossing the river, a point of no return. Crossing the Tiber, or swimming in the Tiber, refers to Protestants converting to Roman Catholicism.

[@amikkelsen]

When God has something important to say he says it in English just like everyone else.

[@majestyhype9605]

This has to be sarcasm right?

[@michelhaineault6654]

Selfishness. The original texts are ALL IN GREEK.

[@bassistguy13]

😂

[@SolaScriptura21]

😂😭🤣

[@mkshffr4936]

Well played.

[@apostasiaelegcho5612]

Here's the problem with Ephesians 1:5-7: 1. Use biblical scripture to define "us". 2. Prove predestination is synonymous with salvation. Refer to 1 Samuel 23.

[@BibleIssues]

What’s interesting is that Ted teaches at a Bible College whose Academic Dean does not believe the KJB is perfect. I know because I was kicked out of the same college as a teacher who believed it was perfect. That doesn’t reflect on Ted of course, he may be unaware of their views on the KJB.

[@ForwardTalk]

James White is savage!

[@jjemsnd7]

The truth welcomes questioning but a lie hates it.

[@abckids3476]

Isn't the Holy Spirit truth? So the Holy Spirit welcomes questioning?

[@jjemsnd7]

Re herring much? I'll try to be more clear the KJV only guy wont debate because his position wont stand up to scrutiny. If he was a truth seeker he would welcome cross examination. He's afraid I never mentioned the Holy Spirit.

[@abckids3476]

@@jjemsnd7 So you're talking about people welcoming questioning. Not the truth itself.

[@jjemsnd7]

@@abckids3476 I haven't got the time nor patience to deal with trolls. Argue with yourself

[@abckids3476]

@@jjemsnd7 See ya later.

[@michaelcunis8329]

Sometimes I wonder how God is going to sort it all out. Hard to believe a guy like this Alexander fellow believes as he does.🤔

[@Notworthy72]

Where can the rest of this episode be found??

[@TheOpenCouchPodcast]

I’m confused as to why the comment section is flooded with people attacking James white. In the words of BlackEyePease: “where is the love?”

[@amichiganblackman3200]

I think it's mostly sarcasm

[@colintyler1405]

It looks the opposite way round to me.

[@Notworthy72]

Can anyone tell me where the rest of this episode can be found?

[@douglasmcnay644]

Alpha and Omega Ministries youtube channel.

[@jackcruz136]

Hello Sir James White I am your avid listener from the Philippines

[@conspiracylibrary2848]

I used to be KJV only. Now i read all bibles. Its really helped me grow. I also read gnostic texts, and other so called removed books. I just read it all now. And boy oh boy do i love Jesus! And i believe even more!

[@mrpeanut517]

if you are calvinist, you are gnostic

[@oracleoftroy]

@@mrpeanut517 If you believe that, you need to do more study of both Calvinists and Gnostics.

[@mrpeanut517]

@@oracleoftroy i bet you have never read any of the pre-nicene fathers. calvin followed augustine, augustine brought gnostic doctrine into the church. it is plain as day if you just read and research for yourself. go to the sources, don’t believe what people write about the sources. read the main sources yourself. God bless you.

[@oracleoftroy]

@@mrpeanut517 _"i bet you have never read any of the pre-nicene fathers."_ It's pretty clear you haven't if you think Calvin or Augustine were gnostics. I'd bet that you just read Ken Wilson's shoddy thesis and didn't second guess it. _"calvin followed augustine,.."_ Calvin heavily quoted many of the church fathers, including Augustine. He wasn't always in lockstep with everything they said, including Augustine, but he quoted to show that his ideas weren't novel, but taught throughout church history. _"...augustine brought gnostic doctrine into the church."_ If that's the case, why didn't the same church fathers who fought so hard against gnostisim reject Augustine's writings? Instead they embraced him. And why did Augustine also write against the gnostics? Why is it the only people at the time who argued that Augustine was a gnostic were themselves declared heretics by the church at large (and not just the Augustine lead gnostic faction)? It seems like this is being used as an excuse to avoid having to deal with the fact that Reformed theology comports with the Bible. _"it is plain as day if you just read and research for yourself. go to the sources, don’t believe what people write about the sources. read the main sources yourself. God bless you."_ Honestly, I don't care. I care about the Bible and whether Reformed Theology comports with the Bible. The gnostics said some things that I agree with, like affirming that God exists. I'm not going to become an atheist just because they were theists. They said a lot of things I disagree with, like saying a demiurge created the world instead of God or that the physical world is bad and the spiritual world good, thus denying the ressurection to physical (glorified) flesh and that God would renew physical Earth and dwell on it with us eternally. Many modern "Christians" have more in common with the gnostics when they claim Satan made all the bad stuff in the world or that salvation is just about "going to heaven when we die". Reformed Christians affirm the historic christian creeds, and so are as far from gnostic as a Christian can get.

[@bassistguy13]

@@oracleoftroy I don't think they were ready for all of this..

[@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630]

The only way James white could be a Roman Catholic is if Roman Catholics now officially believe in sola scriptora

[@pluto4847]

Yes I absolutely agree. My mother is Catholic and she prays more to Mary than Jesus. I tell her I put Jesus First and my prayers only go to God, but she says if that is what I want to do that's my choice, but she chooses Mary. I just don't understand the Catholic mind.

[@charlottepatterson2864]

I prefer the KJV for many reasons, but I’m not a member of a cult. I do wonder why all the new, newer, newest “versions” of the Bible in English are necessary, if not to cause confusion, and arguments, and endless discussions and divisions among believers; or to line the pockets of prideful academics, greedy publishers, and equally prideful and greedy denominationalists. And why have these many “versions” of the Bible flourished so in recent years? Is the church more vibrant? Are believers better equipped? Is our society more just and humane? No. Pastors want to be celebrities. Teachers are immature and self absorbed. Parents are absent, “fulfilling” their own desires and ambitions. Children are left to grow up as best they can being indoctrinated in government schools and manipulated by a corrupt and depraved “entertainment industry”. I’m no historian, academician or statistician, but could there be some relationship between the church abandoning (in the name of scholarship of course) speaking with one voice and the legalized murder of 50-60 MILLION innocent human beings in the United States of America?

[@elisabeths8994]

Whoa this guy is savage! "I'm glad you don't debate Catholics because they would destroy you" 🤯 (It's probably true though😂)

[@mariosangermano5709]

If anyone on here thinks James white has accepted Roman Catholicism, you are out of your mind and know nothing of his beliefs or ministry.

[@robertholmes12]

I knew it!

[@brendanfox8945]

Love the language of the KJV it’s lovely - pre-Shakespearean excellence. Definitely a book of it’s time and a totally beautiful work. But This guy has no clue and I’m beginning to recognise more than ever that claiming to be a Christian is a very very dangerous stance. Deliberately leading people down the wrong path strikes me as a soul being led by an angle of light. Utterly absurd. Thanks Dr White for eviscerating another of Satan’s dupes.

[@billyr9162]

I think Shakespeare lived exactly at the time king James was translated. It's not pre Shakespeare.

[@brendanfox8945]

@@billyr9162 I take your point. I suppose I was thinking about Wycliffe & Tyndale - that they had already translated quite a bit I think … the strange & colourful assemblage who actually did the whole book contributed less than we think - I’m sure the good Dr will set us right. (I won’t be asking that Roman Catholic plant, weirdo with the funny haircut his advice on the matter :-O)

[@billyr9162]

@@brendanfox8945 Well the doctor believes in westcott and hort. So hes only gonna set so much straight. The rest remains crooked for him.

[@brendanfox8945]

@@billyr9162 sorry you lost me. That was 1881? Pretty sure the good doctor is now engaged with the latest Biblical analysis software with every possible original compiled. Looks impressive stuff.

[@billyr9162]

@@brendanfox8945 1880something yes. He doesn't think the world had the correct Bible until 1880 something. Kind of odd that God would have an incorrect Bible for the world all that time. What scripture were all those preachers quoting in the 2nd century that he doesn't think should be there?

[@3leon306]

Both of these clowns are examples of what made me turn to Rome, cross the Tiber and journey home to the Catholic Church. praise be!!!

[@waylonwraith5266]

Roman Catholicism has limited the very work of God in history to a hierarchical human institution headed by fallible men who endlessly contradict one another, yet the KJV only crowd, like most with a merely biblicist epistemology, arrest God’s work in history in its earliest development, and see even this earliest era of the church askew, through the lens of modernist/fundamentalist (and fundamentalism, as the theologian David Bentley Hart points out, IS a form of modernism; scientistic and “literalist” as opposed to meanings-full as the Church Fathers saw the revelation of Christ within a scriptural but not merely scriptural tradition) lens. This is the kind of anti-intellectual silliness that comes of a merely biblicist epistemology, as George Fox, for instance, rightly recognized.

[@siradamthebombdiggity]

Predestination verses listed at 7:14

[@conspiracylibrary2848]

@14:34 link us up so we can!

[@davidcavallino]

I’m an atheist and James white is not a catholic and I’m glad he’s open to debate things with logical consistency

[@pink_kino]

Why not you stop being an atheist and find God

[@doctrinalwatchdog6268]

In fairness he didn't say Roman Catholic. Reformed Christians are catholic little "c", KJV only baptists don't all accept the idea of one true church as in the Apostles creed

[@raygsbrelcik5578]

Does Mr. White ever admit to where the term, "trinity," actually emerged; And...When----and Why it took so long to BECOME a term in the church?

[@KristiLEvans1]

Tertullian was the first to use the word “Trinity”, but it’s clear in Scripture. Tertullian was a mid-life convert from paganism, and even he was able to see it in Scripture. 😉

[@KristiLEvans1]

And why it didn’t become a common term at the end of the 2nd C.? Maybe because Tertullian didn’t have a Twitter account…? 🧐

[@FormerTrucker]

I love the KJV but I love Dr White as well, Im sure we disagree on things pertaining to this but I have learned a lot from him.

[@spikeboon123]

From James White went in on this one! 😆

[@Graphiclee63]

The overuse of the cross is a little weird. Not sure if Jesus wanted us to focus in on an object that was used by Romans to kill people. Catholics love the cross iconography.

[@hondotheology]

this is what you get when a jock tries to be a nerd

[@mrpeanut517]

James White has always been catholic, albeit, a reformed catholic.

[@crobeastness]

Not even close.

[@KristiLEvans1]

Lol

[@KristiLEvans1]

James White is an NIV-onlyest!!! Lol

[@dennisking4589]

I read from the KJV and see no problem with James White. I might be wary with his eschatology but there is no salvific issue he has crossed lines on. Also please recognize that IFB and NEW IFB are two different things.

[@ahammer7000]

It is about final authority, the bible says God's word is pure. If that is true then show me where his words are pure in any language. If you can't show any book in any language then God's words have been lost and are not pure. According to White and his gay apologist army there is no pure book of God's word except his book the KJV only Controversy.

[@JakeRuzi]

@@ahammer7000 ‘Gay apologist army’ 😂 oh boy. The Lord has preserved His word. Nobody is saying don’t read the KJV; however, let’s not pretend that language doesn’t change with time. It does, everywhere you go. Some of the words in the KJV don’t mean what they used to, so, understandably, in order to retain the original meaning in a way that is comprehensible and accessible for a modern audience you translate using the current vernacular so that the message and meaning of scripture can be understood clearly! We have thousands of manuscripts of the scriptures IN THE LANGUAGES THEY WERE WRITTEN IN. The inspired, holy word of God is not going anywhere, as the Lord Himself had promised.

[@colintyler1405]

I wonder if the IFB guy might have done better if he were allowed more than thirty seconds for every five minutes or more of Dr. White. Maybe not, I don't know, but he doesn't get a chance on what is presumably an edited debate. For want of another word.

[@colintyler1405]

Thank you. As they say around these parts, "Yome educated!"

[@jessejimenez1793]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥Liers will have their part in the lake of fire🔥🔥🔥🔥 🔥

[@michaelcunis8329]

So will liars…

[@joshhenderson7723]

Ted is not a serious person.

[@sdlorah6450]

All bluster, having no depth? I recommend the book titled Missing in Modern Bibles: The Old Heresy Revived by Dr. Jack A. Moorman. He writes succinctly and powerfully in this book about the subject of Bible versions and in a tone that readers will appreciate.

[@telabib]

I saw James White debate him and his arguments did not stand up to James Whites argument.

[@sdlorah6450]

Not everyone shines in debate; his book is great--lots of detail.

[@sdlorah6450]

@NicoCoco God has given us the word and has preserved it (Psalm 68:11, Psalm 119:89, 1 Peter 1:25); he has also warned against perverting the word (Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:6, Revelation 22:18-19). To pervert is to add to/take away from (according to God’s definition as found in Jeremiah 23:30, 31, 36b). The scriptures demonstrate that there are those who pervert the scriptures. Examples include: When Satan tempted Eve, he perverted the word of God (Genesis 3:1-6); Jeremiah 23 warns of false prophets who had perverted the word of God; Paul warned of those many who ‘corrupt the word of God’ (2 Corinthians 2:17). God is God and this is the reality of which his word plainly speaks. God has given his word and preserved it, but not everything with the word ‘Bible’ stamped on the cover contains the whole counsel of God. This can be observed by verse-by-verse comparisons among the versions. One chapter in Dr. Moorman’s book is titled ‘Key Epochs in the Preservation History of the NT Text;’ this chapter is very informative. There are those, too, who have collated verses that were included in the correspondence of early church fathers (pre 350 AD) that correspond to the scriptures as reflected in the KJV (and other reformation-era Bibles in English that preceded it). Other of Dr. Moorman’s works list such verses. (These include verses that CT proponents claim were ‘added.’) These verses are also found in the earliest Bibles. We are wise to research these things for ourselves in these and other quality resources. The fact that people have perverted the word does not shake my faith in God; rather, it shows the scriptures and God to be faithful and true--and that the battle rages (as we can plainly observe) and as we have also been forewarned.

[@colintyler1405]

@@telabib I saw that debate too. I was privileged to know Jack Moorman. What came across to me in that debate was that Dr. Moorrman was in subjection to his Bible, but for Dr. White it was simply a tool of his trade. I was also floored when Dr. White said that he would have debated Erasmus (bearing the context of that remark in White's favour), it struck me as hubris beyond belief. Dr. Moorman's books are first class.

[@shawnstephens6795]

You can explain it all day long...but at the end of the day...you can't explain away the fact that until 1880 the text was relatively the same...then ALL OF A SUDDEN a lot of verses were removed because Wescott and Hort dug up the truth.

[@Mic1904]

"You can explain it all day long... but at the end of the day... [I won't listen, and I'll continue to repeat inaccuracies and misrepresentations]"

[@shawnstephens6795]

@@Mic1904 ...no one before 1880 were removing verses and rewriting the bible for a copyright...call it whatever you want...its just a fact.

[@Mic1904]

@@shawnstephens6795 We can call it whatever we want indeed, it still doesn't make it fact. Unless we're in opposite land.

[@PETERJOHN101]

@@Mic1904 You didn't know that every gloss and every version of the bible is copyrighted? Amusing.

[@Mic1904]

@@PETERJOHN101 Yes, indeed they do (that's... how the printing press works...), including the King James Bible in its home of the United Kingdom, where the Crown owns the licence and publishing rights and the KJV can only be published by permission of Royal prerogative (why do you think we call it the 'Authorized Version' here?). I'm glad you're so easily amused, may your joys be exceeding. God bless

[@stevie6621]

James White why don't you debate Nick Sayers? you seem to just go for the uninformed KJV folks not the ones who know their stuff.

[@j.d.auwerda4795]

You must not have watch many of his debates because he has.

[@stevie6621]

@@j.d.auwerda4795 When did White debate Nick Sayers? The one debate White did with Dr. Jeff Riddle on TR/KJV did not go well for his position.

[@abckids3476]

@@stevie6621 No it didn't.

[@otiscorn4538]

White almost always picks the low hanging fruit. Debate Ken Wilson.

[@bierguy3033]

Comment for algorithm.

[@knackability7098]

What's with the black clothes, background and symbols. The set is too dark and depressing, please lighten it up a bit.

[@douglasmcnay644]

Don't you fret, he'll dust off his Coogis any chance he can get.

[@ahammer7000]

Why does James White never mention that the Pope's band The TR at the council of Trent And the KJV later? As he promotes the Greek apparatus approved by cardinal Maria martini.

[@ethanlee3254]

Eviscerated

[@telabib]

He doesn't need to wear a cross around his neck.

[@oracleoftroy]

So? You don't need to eat whatever you had for your last meal.

[@telabib]

@@oracleoftroy I said that in the spirit of 2 Corinthians 3:2 ( our lives are read by people )

[@oracleoftroy]

@@telabib Sure. And that's fine as far as it goes, yet it seems like a weird thing to comment on. He doesn't need to wear a shirt and pants: togas used to be popular attire, or kilts, or maybe a grass skirt; but such cultural things don't seem important enough to comment on in my mind. And given how many hateful comments White draws for disagreeing with people, it comes off in this context as desperately nitpicking to find some fault with him. I think from your other comments (which I hadn't seen when I replied) that it isn't the case here, but even so, I'm not aware of anything about this video or White's teaching in general that might imply we are required to wear crosses, thus needing your correction. I hope that helps you understand where I'm coming from as well. I agree with your point, I just don't see why it needed to be made and in making it, you appear to imply faults in White that I don't see (even if that wasn't your intention).

[@telabib]

@@oracleoftroy I love James White, just hope he doesn't start dressing like a Roman Catholic priest.

[@truth7416]

If you want to hear an exact description of Satan's Character just read how Calvinist Jame White describes God! Its a perfectly accurate description of Satan! Calvinist: god delights in destroying most human beings! God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) Calvinist: god infict's evil on people he delights in doing so! “Creatures are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that nothing happens but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 3) Calvinist: god decides who will be his murderers and theives! “thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5) Calvinist: god commands and forces people and the devil to do evil acts! “The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far as he commands, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even forced to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11) Calvinist: no evil has happened that god didn't command it be done! ”He testifies that He creates light and darkness, forms good and evil (Isaiah 45:7); that no evil happens which He hath not done (Amos 3:6). Let them tell me whether God exercises His judgments willingly or unwillingly.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 18, Paragraph 3) Calvinist: god forces people not to come to him. he bars access to them “…salvation is freely offered to some while others are barred from access to it.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5) You are in grave danger siding with these heretical people you defend. Get out while you can if you have not already been give over completely. I would ask you. Is this the God you worship as described by the Reformed Theologian JOHN CALVIN? TRUTH IN LOVE

[@billyr9162]

Malachi 1:3-4 [3]And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. [4]Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. Ooops

[@sdlorah6450]

@@billyr9162 Obadiah provides context.

[@billyr9162]

@@sdlorah6450 The whole Bible provides context.

[@christopheravery9585]

How can jame white not see that he does this very same thing to nearly everyone he disagrees with?

[@nick9264]

I’m afraid James White won’t be debating anyone anytime soon, except for some KZbinrs. If you go off the deep end and only travel by RV, you won’t be going anywhere.

[@berglen100]

Imagination will let you debate over the god outside yourself. Both funny.

[@hudsondonnell444]

The Cult of King James!

[@billyr9162]

But white does basically throw out the King James Bible. If you were debating him and you were using one of those verses he wants to throw out then he wouldn't accept it. He would throw it out.

[@billyr9162]

@Jason Bored You might want to read what I said. If hes throwing out verses that he thinks was added. Then he throws them out. And those verses happen to be in the king James. And only in the king James.

[@ahammer7000]

Yes he does throw out John 8:1-12 and has said that he would not preach on them.

[@billyr9162]

@@ahammer7000 I think he throws them all out. He would certainly dismiss them in a debate as not being official or valid.

[@Phill0old]

You can't throw something out of you only don't use parts of it that are wrong. So, for instance, the AV uses church where the translators wanted to put congregation.

[@billyr9162]

@@Phill0old The it that you're referring to a scripture. He throws out part of scripture because he thinks it's wrong. He just thinks hes throwing out part of the King James Bible. But none the less hes throwing it out..

[@Kanon-fq5fh]

James , why do you keep wasting your time on these people ?

[@monks6766]

Why are you standing up like your preaching? Sit down to make your point.

[@alantate25]

Why does that matter? He’s in his most comfortable position so let him be

[@bassistguy13]

@@alantate25 haha I was thinking the same thing

[@sandina2cents779]

Someone is controlling….

[@crawfordmontizano6927]

Baldie is still making speeches? Even after it was made known he never received a real doctorate. Poor little Jimmy, when will he ever get his way.

[@truth7416]

Calvinism is just another form or branch of Catholicism! Infant baptism. Salvation only found in their man made system. Torture in Hell ! Listen to James Whites founder: God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) Like the Catholic Priests, Calvinists really like to dressing up in Black and wear large crosses around their necks. They are both teach in a love less and arrogant manner. Both systems burned people at the stake for disagreeing with them. Where do you sign up? Or perhaps you want to Follow Jesus Christ as told in the Bible. He loves you and wants to save you! Listen to this. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. TRUTH IN LOVE

[@PETERJOHN101]

@@truth7416 Calvinists, by stages and degrees, become philosophers of Gnosticism, determined to reject God's power to act, react, enact, and redact.

[@truth7416]

@@PETERJOHN101 Yes your right. Its that Gnosticism that is so attractive to the carnel mind. "They say, we have the clear meaning and see the truth in between the lines, but you poor simple people with only common sense are kept from seeing it. "Trust us to tell you what John 3:16 really means." So what do you get going down that path for centuries? "DEFORMED THEOLOGY" called Calvinism. In their hearts they sing: "Jesus loves me, this I know. As for you, I don't think so. Only some to Him belong. We are right and you are wrong. Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! But I hope this isn't effervescent grace that I'm walking in and instead I'm actually deceived and one of the reprobates that He created to burn as a candle for His glory in Hell forever." TRUTH IN LOVE

[@gerryquinn5578]

Blind leasding the Blind?

[@JohnQPublic11]

Since James White accuses people who believe in some things Roman Catholicism teaches *ARE ON THE SIDE OF AND HAVE ACCEPTED* Roman Catholicism then it is axiomatically true that James White *IS ON THE SIDE OF AND HAS ACCEPTED* Roman Catholicism!

[@billyr9162]

He said on the side of but not accepted all of Roman Catholicism. But if that's true I'd like to see it. If you could show it to me I'll give you a cookie.

[@JohnQPublic11]

@@billyr9162 ---- What part of James White is on the side of heretics *DON"T YOU GET?*

[@billyr9162]

@@JohnQPublic11 You got your panties in a wad. No cookie for you. Do you lie to everyone or is it just me?

[@truth7416]

Calvinism is just another form or branch of Catholicism! Infant baptism. Salvation only found in their man made system. Torture in Hell ! Listen to James Whites founder: God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) Like the Catholic Priests, Calvinists really like to dressing up in Black and wear large crosses around their necks. They are both teach in a love less and arrogant manner. Both systems burned people at the stake for disagreeing with them. Where do you sign up? Or perhaps you want to Follow Jesus Christ as told in the Bible. He loves you and wants to save you! Listen to this. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. TRUTH IN LOVE

[@billyr9162]

@@truth7416 Doiiing dooiing doooiiiing goes the one string, one note banjo. Calvinism blah blah blah.... What does your therapist say about your Calvinism phobia?

[@ahammer7000]

James White will never talk about the council of Trent banning any translations of the TR and their later ban on the KJV under penalty of death. White is so insecure, his shame and guilt but instead of repenting he doubles down with his assault on any perfect bible in any language just like the popes. He knows that he is the head cult leader of the anti KJV movement that began in Rome, so he needs to make himself look Orthodox by "preaching the gospel", that the popes also claim to preach. That is why so many Roman Catholics and Muslims listen and applaud him, like Norman Geissler, Shabir Alli and Muslim by Choice, all who use White's work to defame every bible as any kind of final authority. Because in the end it is about final authority, James White has no final authority except the Lockeman Foundation from where he draws his pay. White has no perfect bible in any language that is why he focuses so much on the newest Greek apparatus and so his followers will just be kept wondering if we will ever really know what God said.

[@nicobrits5111]

The Roman Catholics at Trent were Latin Vulgate onlyists LVOs. That is why they wanted to ban everything else. They didn’t like any form of translation not even Peter Waldo (Waldensians) partial French translation or Wycliffe’s English translation because they didn’t want their corruption exposed. Where do you think did Erasmus got his manuscripts from to compile his greek editions? All those manuscripts in the TR are from Catholic and Greek Orthodox libraries.

[@ahammer7000]

@@nicobrits5111 the council of Trent banned erasmuses TR and all translations of it. James White will never tell you that because he is an agent of Rome whether he knows it or not.

[@Mic1904]

Your final authority is a Papist manuscript, translated by Episcopal, pro-monarch High Church Anglicans who advocate for the Roman traditions of bishops, episcopacy, and the festival of Easter, who wished to counteract the unsettlingly radically Biblical (anti- all of the above) views of the Geneva Bible-Onlyists of the time. Enjoy.

[@ahammer7000]

@@Mic1904 why did the Popes bann all translations of the TR, KJV and try to put the Douey Rheims English translation in its place? Even today not one Catholic bible it modern translation comes from the TR. James White never once mentioned the council of Trent banning all translations of the TR. Anyway as far as that Anglican church, the KJV was compromise between the church of England and the Calvist puritans. You don't know basic English history.

[@Mic1904]

@@ahammer7000 So your Bible translation is a compromise?