Hasan CALLS ME OUT, Looks Through Receipts

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[@ABSTREKT]

Well, I'm not saying that Hasan is necessarily pro-russia, but his takes like "NATO is the aggressor in Ukraine, and Russia is just taking its own land" or something like that isn't just "beneficial" to Russia, it's literally pro-russia.

[@jamesclarke2789]

@@Shane756 So you'll accept that both the Russian and Israeli governments are bad? Or are you just bringing up Israel's historical land argument as some sort of whataboutism to deflect criticism of Russia?

[@kyranadrian]

​@@Shane756 yeah, and I think most around the world reject that despicable far right israeli view... the difference between israel and Russia tho, is that Russias neighbours don't constantly attack their civilians or have parties that want the irradiation of it... I think that point creates a huge well of difference... it doesn't justify israeli war crimes, but it definietly means that Russia is a much more flagrant aggressor in this instance.

[@mothh7600]

​@@kyranadrian Shane is rage baiting there's no point in arguing

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@Shane756 There's also parallels between Singapore and Uruguay. If we just cut out everything that's different and just bring up two or three things in which there's similarities, all countries are the same.

[@jamesclarke2789]

@@Shane756 I wasn't saying you were making a defence of Russia. I was just asking if you were, because I've found plenty of people who engage in whataboutisms in order to deflect criticism of their favoured groups, and your comment could be misinterpreted in that way.

[@ottz2506]

i’m not pro russia, I just find myself advocating for an outcome that primarily benefits Russia and screws over Ukraine.

[@1984isnotamanual]

It’s like flying the German flag and saying you are for Germany doing WW2 but insist you aren’t for the Nazis just the Germans. Kinda like the pro-Palestine people and supporting Palestine but not Hamas

[@Toanleigh]

He just wants to stop the needless Ukrainian deaths, don't ya know? Nevermind of course that pretty much any of his justifications could be lifted from Russia and placed on Israel.

[@woocashP]

Purely by accident btw

[@auntielu8531]

Your completely admirable charitability is wasted on Hasan

[@DuppyBoii187]

I appreciated the reference

[@jurgnobs1308]

his charitability is also wasted on israel. what israel is doing, combined with public statements of purpose by israeli ministers, make it objectively a genocide according to the definition in international law. the ICC buckling to political pressure does not change that.

[@ngotemna8875]

​@@jurgnobs1308 Uhm, but have you considered that it can't be a g-cide cause there are still palestinians alive today? Checkmate liberul

[@Polly_Tix]

funny, that is what I have said to Hasan about this POS.

[@MrPibbism]

Yup, it's a shame tho, cus there is probably a good dude in there somewhere. He is just drowned in an ocean of extreme ideology.

[@aaronyayger]

Erm, lonerbox? You seem to forget that uhhhhhh NATO bad? Remember, NATO bad.

[@felipem7626]

Honestly, why even bother? Hasan would never go to the lengths you did to talk to the actual people there, all the while claiming to do on the ground reporting. Dude is just in it for the aesthetics.

[@Armeddragon12]

I hope you know that the on-the-ground reporting criticism is hater propaganda against Hasan. Not defending Hasans unwillingness to face criticism but lets get our facts straight here. We are Loner fans, not Dggers. lol

[@danieltobin4498]

100% He just wants to be an e-boy celebrity and pay for his expensive lifestyle without doing any actual work

[@felipem7626]

@Shane756 dehumanizing people, no matter how wrong their side is, is utterly pathetic. Besides lonerbox disagreed with many israelis he interviewed, and talked to israelis who were against the war.

[@marcopolio111]

​@Shane756 the smugness reeking out of u is suffocating. I would kinda understand if the analogy made any kind of sense but being so smug while not understanding anything is just pathetic.

[@mothh7600]

Shit b8 m8 Comment good for engagement though :]​@@Shane756

[@Gecko_Papa]

Love how Hasan doesn't even bother to read the full youtube video titles to figure out whats going on, let alone actually watch a video

[@Silas_Kow]

To be fair to piece together LonerBox's full opinion and motives for those opinions you need to go through hours and hours of live streams talking about the topic

[@daanyaalahmed7541]

Common & average Hassan waffle moment

[@dcgamer1027]

41:53 he is actually jsut flat out saying he defines his world view and how he judges others not by the measure of what they do but rather by what the people they are against do. That is a wild philosophy, there's just so many things wrong with that. Do not define yourself by who you are against, that means the the people you are against define who you are, that's not a good way to live life.

[@FranklinW]

It reminds me of how a few anti-SJW types left that crowd because they started noticing that defining yourself by being against SJWs led some of their peers down paths like celebrating decriminalization of domestic violence in Russia.

[@Moongazer423]

Common LonerBox W

[@griteom4538]

Puts the W in Lonerbox fr

[@wtf16206]

Lol does Hasan ever actually discuss class politics (other than to defend his own bourgeois lifestyle)?

[@deedos]

No.

[@laraison6020]

​@@deedos that's desingenuous, he actually does talk about class politics a lot and, like it or not, he's thevone responsable for cultivating marxist theories and ideas in the brain of a lot of disconected young people. I mean I don't like the guy because I hate reaction bros but you really need to be an asshole with bad faith to be like "no no no hassan doesn't care anout marxism and never talk about class theories lol" in 2024...

[@ngotemna8875]

"Socialism is when no money" God, why do so many lefties hate winning? Do you not want political power to change the world? Instead of using hasan as an example that you can be a leftist and be well off you just parrot the rightwing talking point about how leftism means having no fun and no money out of pure spite.

[@ngotemna8875]

​@@laraison6020 i have my gripes with a lot Hasan's foreign policy takes, but the people here just prove how they just blindly hate on him without ever having listened to him. There's not a single day that goes by without hasan going on a rant about class-consciousness and worker solidarity. Unteal

[@toericabaker]

i mean lip service is a little different than spreading wealth

[@bigplanslittledrive4791]

How is hassan ALWAYS eating on stream. Ffs

[@infamous.s.679]

I saw him picking his teeth once and I wanted to throw up

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

And don't forget leaving any video running when he temporarily leaves because he's so scared of losing engagement otherwise.

[@yerroblige23]

His chewing motions are so grating and annoying to look at for some reason

[@tooitchy]

Been saying this for years. The guy streams 8 hours a day, and yet every single goddamn clip is of him eating. It's actually wild

[@tooitchy]

@@InfiniteDeckhand If I was a streamer I'd leave the video running while I took a shit or w/e, but I'd always rewind it when I came back because wanting to keep the audience from getting bored and leaving, doesn't mean I have to miss the videos. Chat would hate me and I wouldn't care.

[@doomdimensiondweller5627]

Ironically Hasan's trans example could very easily be applied to him on Ukraine.

[@viktormehl4311]

he may not be a direct supporter of putin but if all your rhetoric benefits him and his regime you might as well be

[@gregmumbai333]

It's so telling when he describes his approach. He does talk about these people. He makes his opinions about them pretty clear just like he is doing here. But he won't get informed on them. He won't take it seriously because then he would have to own the criticism and defend it. What he's doing here is totally spineless and allows him to weasel out of his criticism but his audience still gets the message.

[@lilshapiro8017]

Asking what good comes from telling the truth is crazy.

[@MeganLeibovici]

Yes!. On critiquing Israel in a reasonable way. As an Israeli, I listen to you for exactly that reason. Your critique is based in reality.

[@tooitchy]

What the heck? You mean to tell me Israeli's don't appreciate buzzword bingo israel blasting?

[@NugKnights]

"They are calling me a grifter!" Says the man from his LA mansion as he helps stir up a conflict on the other side of the planet for personal gain. If he was not a grifter he would absolutely want to talk to LonerBox

[@ngotemna8875]

"Leftism is when no money" Amazing, dude

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

Leftism is when you live in a 3 million dollar McMansion

[@normandybeachparty]

Leftism is when actual praxis @ngotemna8875

[@FlexGC]

​@@ngotemna8875redistribution of everyones wealth but mine is a classic socialist evil.

[@marykateandnoashley]

will hasan fans ever be able to counter this with w real argument? how is “socialism is when no blank” an actual defense? put on your thinking caps.

[@thereallocke8065]

20:23 farming destiny's audience is such an online take.

[@tooitchy]

Yeah, unless you're like, a youtube commentator creator, like turkeytom, but even then you're more farming the creator not the community, so yeah actually you might be right.

[@DrStrangelove_]

Mr box vs. privileged teens.. Otherwise known as hassan's audience

[@1984isnotamanual]

When people get worried about Hassan’s fans I like to remind them of that. They are all rich kids who are rebelling against their liberal parents and will grow out of it when they hit the real world. They and Hasan aren’t a threat at all.

[@Squibtorious]

​@@1984isnotamanual I don't know man, radicalized minds are by definition radical. Guess it depends if they actually go outside

[@1984isnotamanual]

@@Squibtorious that’s my point is that the reason they are radicalized is because they are young, ignorant, and sheltered. When they grow up and realize the word isn’t what Hasan told them it is they will be embarrassed that they were ever a fan of his. I have no way to prove that or what I’m about to say but, Mark my word, a majority of hasan’s fans with look back 10,15,20 years and be embarrassed that they ever took him seriously. Also most anti-American leftists are cowards that wouldn’t have the balls to fight anyone or anything.

[@boopie6635]

hasan needs to zip it along with all his fans

[@johnmackenreillytag]

Very interested in the idea of ‘advocacy through accountability’; I think it’s definitely crucial on both sides (tm) if there’s ever any hope of practical and actionable resolutions to the conflict. Makes me think of the Amnesty Bill imposed on Northern Ireland by Westminster the last few years, and how it was vehemently rejected by everyone on the ground in the North.

[@jloiben12]

12:00 This hits on a very good point. Labels have very little utility. In many conversations, labels are used instead of engaging with the actual substance. And this creates a lot of issues. In fact, I’d say most issues come down to a labels over substance problem. Labels will often obfuscate reality. For example, take the statement “a 10% change in temperature.” That is a meaningless statement. There are no units. A 10% change in kelvin is not even in the same world as a 10% change in celsius, yet that statement doesn’t capture this distinction. MAYBE, if we had universal definitions for labels, labels may have some meaningful utility. But labels don’t

[@jakobschleicher9062]

Thank you for being a voice of reason in a choir of extremists.

[@malikshabazz2065]

cenk's nephew is a weirdo :-)

[@tooitchy]

cenks nephew has a tiny head, and cenk has a giant head. What the hell happened, how did the uncle take all the cells that constitute skull size from hasan, they're not twins!

[@RetractedandRedacted]

I think a debate between Douglas Murray and lonerbox would be quite fun to watch

[@Paperamachete]

Its wild that Hasan is nearing 40 and he still engaged in High School drama online.

[@nathanannis3567]

Unfortunately most people don't seek out the truths, rather they seek what will please their ego. They want to be told that their original positions were right and/or for a simple narrative that they can latch onto that. The world is incredibly complicated and while once in a blue moon a simple narrative comes out that is rarely the case. The first step in becoming more truthful is to allow yourself to become uncomfortable. Keep up the good work Loner 👍

[@animatorbroman3710]

No views in 50 seconds, bro fell off and broke his kneecaps

[@MayContainBleach]

🥺 no

[@toericabaker]

as someone dirt poor, roaches and mice in their dirt cheap apartment... i really resent hasan for not raising more money for poor ppl...not even for me, but he's literally just a millionare now... socialist in word only

[@d4rkh4l34]

hasan doesnt hold his principles, he just wears them for optics. thats hasan

[@LeoCoot]

0:04 Who else thought he was playing bass?

[@gabe75001]

Why bro watching anthem of the Lehi 😭

[@testingapparatus9868]

It's a banger

[@therealexpletive]

LASAN

[@EdwardSkihands]

Lonerbox has fallen off really bad. Damn…

[@yaaraamozig4862]

Thank you

[@pancakingon]

I never knew that the leopards would eat my face!

[@sek3ymisek3ymi]

No MORE DOlPHIN SOUNDS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ! It’s so fucking annoying!!!!!! Who’s with me ????

[@seekyunbounded9273]

What's happening is that ppl are seeing you and destiny only when arguing against heavily pro Palestine ppl and it does not occur to them that if you had heavily pro Israel you would also have lot to disagree with until you do and then they are surprised this kinda black pilling tho

[@hermithefrog629]

But they have talked to heavily pro isreal people and the conversations never derail so hard as they do with pro palestinians. Pro I's at least recognize settlements and occupation are negative, Pro P's will try to justify hamas hiding behind women and children and say "Well, if they fight in the open they'll just get slaughtered"

[@MatteoMelotti-dn9tz]

@@Shane756ohhhh so now you are defending October 7th! Why am I not surprised…

[@MatteoMelotti-dn9tz]

@@Shane756 well I don’t say that so this argument doesn’t apply to me and I don’t think Lonerbox uses the “human shield” argument either

[@william4996]

​@@Shane756Were the IDF soldiers active fighters doing military things? Were they actively doing this purposefully to have shelter from their enemies? If you can't see the difference between the two I don't know what to tell you.

[@tooitchy]

There's an over abundance of shockingly bad pro pali people out there, we need to mow them down, these 2 aren't enough firepower

[@lancemagmer9701]

Is it possible that Hamas just claims people who died as tnere what ever brigade?

[@tiggerbane4325]

Obviously it is completely within the realm of possibility that they just say oh X is part of the brigades even when they aren’t. The real question is, is this likely and from the fact that they don’t just claim everyone as from the brigades as far as I’m aware and that I’ve never seen Lonerbox bring this up when I’m assuming he’s attempted to look into that. It leaves me relatively skeptical. Secondly adding to all that what is the benefit that they derive from doing this that you can think of?

[@lancemagmer9701]

@@tiggerbane4325 Normalize dying for a cause, and inflation of there numbers. Or it could be poor record keeping.

[@lancemagmer9701]

I think the odds are low, it's just a thought that popped into my head

[@laraison6020]

​@@tiggerbane4325 dude hamas is the political force in Gaza, the government, and some citizen are forced to be reservists and so are considered to be hamas "terrorists", you know that right ? That's litteraly why a lot of country like Japan doesn't use the term terrorist when it comes to Hamas, this and the fact that this war is just a long time conflict and not started since October the 9th.

[@yeriscarat9241]

@@tiggerbane4325makes them looked like they are taking israel down iggg

[@juancsmix]

are the videos with the israel trip interviews somewhere??

[@AshleyX-iy5qt]

He's always shoving food into his mouth.

[@davidwright6591]

It genuinely makes me physically ill when these streamers start talking with half their meal shoved in their mouth. Do Americans have a fetish for this or something?

[@qwertyqwertz2802]

I’m a hasan fan, but i do always feel embarrassed when you’re forced to watch him chow down

[@pedrob7374]

What does countering that narrative provide..... I dont know Jimmy maybe telling the truth on something is like....important. wtf, can you defend why the narrative should remain if it was factually wrong?

[@norbetjagamara5536]

The only true war crime here is that picture frame in the background which is out of level

[@Sacredsnow2]

Hasan saying that "pro-trans" people who shit on people who arent pro-trans enough is laughable considering he shits on Destiny and Aba n Preach because they don't support trans women in womens sports. When both of them have taken pretty pro trans stances many times before. Or Ethan getting annihilated for giving pushback on settler babies rhetoric. XD

[@vanessa4truth297]

That disclaimer at the beginning is fucking epic n why I respect you more than anyone else in this area of KZbin. You want the truth at any cost even if it means you have to change your opinion on the subject. No one else is that dedicated to the truth as a whole, people only want to hear things that fit whatever narrative they’ve chosen to follow. You will do great things Lonerbox n I can’t wait to watch your future unfold ❤

[@Skynertia]

32:17 Hasan's stream in a nutshell

[@jloiben12]

No one principally does BDS. Whenever I hear someone say they are boycotting Israel, I just have four questions for them after laughing at them. (1) How do you boycott AWS? (2) How do you boycott Waves? (3) How do you boycott Intel? (4) How do you boycott Boeing and Airbus?

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

"If it's Boeing I ain't going!"

[@jloiben12]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Which is a funny meme but that’s not even the part of Boeing I was really referring to. Boeing also has a space division which is functionally impossible to boycott. How do you boycott GPS? I am genuinely asking. That’s not a rhetorical ploy. GPS is used in functionally everything civilian that requires location data. And that’s just one specific example of what Boeing does

[@Mutex50]

Why does LonerBox's editor only put out old clips?

[@animatorbroman3710]

Hasan be doing Loner-profiling, thats lonist

[@horvathsogranfume658]

oct 7th moved me directly into dggs loving embrace

[@yeriscarat9241]

same

[@angelantayhua3096]

No surprise. Hasan was more reasonable with LonerBox than most of his chat.

[@tooitchy]

28:27 "what does that mean?" it doesn't mean anything, and that's the point. It sounds good, it makes them feel good, it makes them think they're virtuous, and therefore they get to think they're good people which then gives them carte blanche to be terrible people, because they think they're moral over this (and other things). This is what has happened to the left, and it's why i'm so disillusioned with the left and am politically homeless today. I realized this in 2009 during anti war protests, and it's only gotten significantly worse since then. Back then it felt really good to be anti war because there was such an obvious war to oppose (iraq), there was no ambiguity, and yet the media, and mainstream were fairly supportive of the war. What this did, was make those who were anti-war, feel like they were truly fighting against evil, it was super easy to see anyone supporting the war, as evil, and it feels good to oppose evil, I saw this transform people, I saw people change over the course of years, to constantly seek that feeling and that would then fuel destructive, bad behavior. Generally the vandalism, destruction, etc. during protests, but also in general people behaved like really bad people, when they were good people before, it's hard to explain, but I'd see how they treated strangers, how they treated anyone who disagreed over anything, and it really just felt like they were getting all validation of their own morality, from their political positions, and then foregoing the morality of who they were as people. I see this on the left today, but on a much larger scale, once the left took over the mainstream it felt like this phenomenon was actually destroying the west. It's a shame people can't just stand up for what's right, because it's the right thing to do, instead we see people standing up for what they think makes them look moral, and just, without giving 2 shits about what is actually moral or not, ie I/P.

[@zachabbott6633]

Did lonerbox spend the first 10 minutes saying how his opinions on Israel Palestine haven't changed followed by describing multiple times how much they have changed? Even recently

[@janaejoaodosacramento9731]

No ?

[@zachabbott6633]

@janaejoaodosacramento9731 I think you should watch again. He goes through his clips he believes hasan is aware of and later on speaks multiple times how his views on Israel have changed drastically

[@emilchan5379]

​@@zachabbott6633 I think in Loner's case is that while he has changed his views on more specific aspects, but his overall opinion of the Israel Palestinian conflict still hasn't changed.

[@zachabbott6633]

@@emilchan5379 but you can see the problem with him using it as a defence from criticism while contradicting himself minutes later

[@horvathsogranfume658]

im here to be israels grape savior

[@LunaTulpa]

44:00 you saying this finally made it click (with me at least) why hassy constantly has to bring up that destiny and his fans aren't actually on the left so, so much more

[@A-TEAMFrostback]

9:00 change your name to TRUTHbox it’s why I watch

[@socomchamp00]

49:40 I bet Ethan and Hila would disagree. what a lolcow XD

[@snekdood]

hasan *says* its more productive to focus on fighting the right rather than other leftists-- but does he really follow through with that? I think he intellectually knows it's the more useful and productive thing to do but his... actions... dont seem to change... maybe i'm wrong, I haven't really seen much of his content for at least a year if not longer so maybe he's cooled off a bit, but a sign that he hasn't is him believing whatever whichever twat in the chat has to say. it's one thing to say something its a different thing to actually act on it.

[@jloiben12]

There has never been a nonviolent Palestinian movement. There have been individual non-violent events. Yes. Obviously. No one denies this. There is a monumental difference between a non-violent event and a non-violent movement

[@yeriscarat9241]

oslo?

[@TheKnizzine]

Does Hasan actually let his audience/mods lead him that much? Or like is it a way to distance from people he thinks he cant use or thinks are going to hurt his dono metrics? Like atleast he pushed back, super tepidly but somthing. dude is talking about Destiny not Lonerbox at the 30 minute mark.

[@THEWHIPX1]

I wonder what the line is for Lonerbox to accept there is a genocide. What evidence he needs to believe ?

[@animatorbroman3710]

CommonBox W

[@bowlofcinder482]

Has palestine ever been an independent state in their entire history?

[@varjagen4160]

The weirdest thing is that most fans of yours I know come from the vaush direction, not destiny

[@hermithefrog629]

Weird self report but ok

[@chillin5703]

​@@hermithefrog629the hell is a self report about this?

[@Ihatemyusernamemore]

I've gone off Vaush but this is true for me, I found out about Loner through Vaush in the context of "most video essayist are soy and bad at research but loner is good"

[@varjagen4160]

@chillin5703 I think he thinks it's bad to change your beliefs based on rational argumentation I guess

[@SS-xr7jf]

@@varjagen4160nah he probably just doesn’t like vaush and thinks he’s cringe/the devil incarnate. As if vaush fans give a hoot that they don’t like the guy, considering it’s the norm.

[@phillipoliverholtz9226]

Drama spikes the views. But pat your back for change. Im sorry.

[@eliduncan4630]

I mean I also think you're too pedantic on the genocide thing even if it isn't letter of the law genocide ( which depending on which law I'd argue it already qualifies as) colloquially I'd say it's still a reasonable thing to call it. That being said your stances on the Israel Palestine matter seen to generally be quite reasonable

[@LimeyRedneck]

🤠 💜

[@Gertrude-pr9jx]

Literally not apartheid

[@j0hnicide]

yeah guns, watch towers, check points, barbed wire, and civilian torture is not apartheid

[@Gertrude-pr9jx]

@@j0hnicide Literally not but ok.

[@ghosthunter0950]

I don't get lonerbox's point on the "pro Israel" position being against two states. those are mostly really right wing positions. easily over half the population in Israel are pro Israel and pro two state solution if they had guarantees that it would bring peace and not create another terrorist base that is significantly worse than Gaza. Are they really wrong to think that's what would happen? I'd argue that it's not only a risk it's pretty much the most likely outcome.

[@Kataquan]

That was true 10 years ago. Recent polls put it at only 25% of Israelis support two states

[@user-xz4du3es5p]

He's trying to push the conversation to the Zionist position

[@j0hnicide]

one state with rights for all is the correct solution

[@ibtoogood4u]

@@j0hnicide , good luck with that when those same advocates call Oct 7th justified.

[@czechmeoutbabe1997]

I know that Hasan streams most of the day, but how is he *ALWAYS EATING* in every clip of him I swear

[@arielhamm-flores6893]

i use to like you alot but its more about your format suicks now you were better at just good docs on stuff that i was happy to see or lern about im actully a old sqauter punk from sf nyc crew sinxce the 80ds i lived at c sqaut and all that why i bring this up is you and hassen dont relly understand and this comes with time has history of doing things outside real world music stuff like that ill get down to it gaza is genocide 180000 under that rubel and heres the thing why do i even care and no this stuff i have no idead destiny picked a very bad side that will come back in time to hauint him by just being him so you piked a side and i say this i relly liked your old work it was some of my favorite stuff for a min

[@tobysmith2081]

Its not weird that people assumed you were pro Palestinian because not only are you a self proclaimed leftist but because i thought you were against colonizing a millions of people. Inbeforeyousayisraelisntcolonial

[@hermithefrog629]

You need a mother state to be a colony. Britain walked away from the mandate, American support came longer after 1947. They aren't a colony. To be facetious, Palestine's original name comes from Syria Palestina, the Roman colony that they deliberately renamed Judea and Samaria into. Palestinians are closer to colonists than Israelis, especially when you take how many years of muslim oppression and pograms occurs after the Roman Empire fell.

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

He said Zionism is a colonial ideaology in another recent video. What more do you want?

[@CPSPD]

@@Shane756yooo leftist eugenics lesgooo. those ashkenazis am I right? somebody should do something about them (leftist btw)

[@laraison6020]

​@@hermithefrog629bad argument. Very bad. Again this vision was used to justify the colonization of america by settlers. A colonization doesn't take place in a sate necesseraly, since this conception of territorial policies and administration is an occidental conception by essence, it is used to justify their own wrong doing. As long as you're taking, by force, a territory wich had his own habitants, culture, habits, history etc... for the sake of a metropol or a bigger city (wich at the time provided occidental powers an acces to middle east and a military base in the area) you can't just do what you want with it because "it's not a state lol". And no jewish people being taking out of their lands by romans more than 2000 years ago have nothing to do with arab people being installed in the same territory, what the fuck are you talking about

[@ngotemna8875]

​@@hermithefrog629 I guess this makes the ethnic cleansing of palestinians okay thrn. After all they didn't have a state that was officially recognized by western powers. Great morals, dude

[@user-hv7rq5zn3x]

If you care about what people think of you and what is really important is what you say. This is the real problem....especially when it comes to Hasan. This is the most boring content you have had so far.

[@tobysmith2081]

14:35 "that's true there wasn't a state of Palestine" Yes there was. The British mandate doesn't change who lived on the land for hundreds of years. Was India no longer India under British rule?

[@EdenP-qg7ep]

Was there a nation? Arguably. Was there a state? No, as a state has political sovereignty over a territory. I understand your sentiment - obviously Palestinians have had communities in that land, and are tied to that land, over many centuries. People will be like "there was no state, therefore Palestine is a totally made up thing", this is obviously wrong. But there wasn't a state, technically.

[@hermithefrog629]

Yes but before the mandate there was no people called the palestinians or a nation that called themselves palestine. Palestinians are a European English invention

[@swanstarr1441]

There was no state. You can say there was a Palestinian identity, but there wasn’t a state

[@laraison6020]

Using the state argument is stupid anyway, this was used to justify the colonization of america by settlers. As long as you have a population with a culture, habits and history, you can't mess up however you want with it. Giving 56 percents of a territory multi ethnical composed by 70 percents of muslim to a jewish theocracy artificially created without taking into account the opinions of all the other arab countries around it or the muslim authorities in the territory is irresponsable ansnd racist.

[@ngotemna8875]

​@@EdenP-qg7ep "technically" Well, then everything is fine and dandy, rught? Good thing this is just a semantics argument and doesn't have real life consequences for innocent people or whatever

[@tobysmith2081]

12:00 "she was speaking in arabic soo i got hear it from a second hand" 13:40 "i dont speak arabic" Story sounds fake af

[@lonerboxlive]

So one of the family members is in my discord if you want to come and accuse them of lying :x

[@dougbound-jb2pv]

​@@lonerboxlive clearly just chud logic putting on a dubious accent

[@tobysmith2081]

​@@lonerboxlive Not accusing them(because why tf would I) I'm accusing you. You're the one who had the contradiction of not speaking Arabic. Though to be completely fair, there can be a good explanation clearing up the contradiction

[@DuppyBoii187]

​@@tobysmith2081what do you think second hand means? Genuine question, might help you understand

[@lonerboxlive]

@@tobysmith2081oh nvm you just don’t know what second hand means lol

[@paulg82]

Looks like hasan took his chat too seriously and lonerbox is making some wild assumptions about hasan.

[@jasonmillsom2981]

Yeah loner took the L here

[@TheJodyShowdy]

You say that it is a pattern of SA and doesn't have to be top down to be systematic. But the ethnic cleansing in the north was just Israel 'going hard' and not a pattern of genocide apparently. How charitable...

[@trueblindman647]

You're a coward with that disclaimer. Uh guys i want to have a take but not get critised for it, i like true and good things and hate bad and false things

[@pauliunknown8118]

Sorry what does it mean to hold Israel accountable? and will this advance the Palestinian cause? You admit Israeli settlers in the West Bank are a serious problem, you almost admit that there is a case for war crimes against IDF since Oct. 7th , although you ended up only saying that "the situation in the North of Gaza was fucked up", but these admissions, or rather, the forwarding these admissions in a way which "holds Israel accountable" does nothing to prevent Israeli abuse whatsoever. Once again the onus is shifted on the Palestinians and their advocates, as if to say: if only they made "factual criticisms" of Israel (instead of spurious ones), then the Israelis would be "held to account" and would therefore comport themselves. When has Israel ever been held to account?

[@FJaypewpew]

How exactly are foreigners going to enforce Israelis attitude to change? What do you want loner box to do lmao

[@hamdigreat4524]

​@@FJaypewpew sanctions just like they do to other countries

[@prettyokandy230]

@@hamdigreat4524 should we do sanctions on hamas?

[@jamesclarke2789]

Alright, suggest what LonerBox can do to physically hold Israel to account? Suggest how he can physically influence UN security council resolutions, or the American government's foreign policy toward Israel, or electoral outcomes within Israel, or any other means by which the current Israeli government and its policies could be physically held accountable? You should realise that he, as an individual, has no real ability to influence these powerful entities and processes, and as such, cannot physically prevent Israeli abuse. He cannot 'hold Israel accountable' in a physical sense. The best he can do to 'hold Israel accountable' is to outline his views on streams and videos like this and try to influence international public opinion in a way in which would cause populations around the world, including in America, to pressure their governments to oppose Israel's wrongdoings. Which he does. As for your second point about "the onus is shifted onto the Palestinians", he's not actually shifting the onus onto the Palestinians, he's making a practical recommendation. If spurious arguments continue to be made by Palestinians and their supporters, and these arguments continue to be revealed as spurious, then all that's going to do is give the Israel government and its supporters the rhetorical and propagandistic ability to frame all pro-Palestinian arguments of Israeli wrongdoing as false and erroneous. The Fallacy of Composition, where it's assumed that something is true for the whole of a topic because is it true for parts of a topic, is a potent technique utilized in propaganda and public influence campaign. If a visible part of pro-Palestinian arguments is revealed to be spurious, you will give the propagandists the ability to use the Fallacy of Composition in which the spuriousness of some pro-Palestinian arguments is used to make all pro-Palestinian arguments seem spurious or dubious. You'll allow them to spread doubt and uncertainty about the validity of pro-Palestinian claims and arguments. Once that happens, you will lose the public battle for hearts and minds. The only way you can avoid that outcome is if you avoid the impulsive mindsets of people like Hasan, and instead assess views and arguments carefully in order to be certain of their factual validity.

[@adrien5834]

@@prettyokandy230 Sanctioning Hamas (they already are, by the way) will not force Israel to withdraw from the Occupied Territories and to negotiate peace with Palestinians in good faith. But sanctioning Israel will.

[@jackpurvis]

I'm so disappointed with Lonerbox... Shame, I used to rely on this guy, can't trust someone so dedicated to edgelord centrism

[@CPSPD]

As opposed to edgelord October 7th justification and deflection

[@jackpurvis]

@@CPSPD I guess you're referring to Hasan, but I wouldn't know because I stopped watching Lonerbox bitch about himself after 15 minutes. But yeah, Hasan sucks, shame that Lonerbox is sinking to his level...

[@ngotemna8875]

​@@CPSPD Who is justifying it? If you lift a ball and let go it will fall to the ground. Do you think i justufied the ball falling, or am i correctly describing cause and effect? If you supress, opress, starve and ruthlessly decimate a population you can't turn around and act all shocked if those people fall back on extreme meassures. Why is hamas unalivibg 1300 people since Oct 7th considered terrorism, but Isrl unalivibg 30 THOUSAND people (15 thousand being literal children) not? Hasan never defended the attacks on oct 7th, he just isn't performatively clutching his pearls and going "How could they do this inhumane act completely unprovoked?"

[@Ihatemyusernamemore]

Go then, be soy somewhere else

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@ngotemna8875 Did you just say Palestinians are inanimate objects with no agency? The ball analogy requires the ball to obey Newtonian physics and thus it will fall unless a force applies to it prevents it. Germans also unalived very few people in London with the V2 bombings while Allied bombings on Germany unalived way more people. Once you cross the line, the retribution does not have to be equal. You can shoot someone holding a knife and get cleared as it's self defense.

[@jurgnobs1308]

denying it being genocide is just ignorant. it objectively fits the definition of genocide in international law. the ICC shying away form actually calling it that does not change that. multiple israeli ministers have very publically called for the eradication of the palestinians. and by the way, even the israeli stance on rights to return fits the definition of a genocide according to the treaty. it's objectively a genocide. and saying "yea it's a pretty strong charge to say they killed more civilians than necessary" is still downplaying what is actually happening. this video is disappointing.

[@ngotemna8875]

"But how can it be a g-cide if there are still Palestinians alive? Checkmate!" I guess what happened to jewish people in the 1930ies and 40ies also wasn't a g-cide cause jewish people still exist, right? Edit: i completely agree with you, the stuff in quotation marks is just sth i constantly hear from people sayibg it's not a g-cide

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@ngotemna8875 But like, it wasn't for lack of trying. They were really going at it. Germans didn't stop and only resume after the Jews crashed their Oktoberfest.

[@justinalexis5788]

the UN didn't even call the Anfal campaign under Saddam Hussein a genocide. I wouldn't say the ICC is shying away from anything. This behavior seems pretty standard from the international comunity.

[@jennifermackinnon6982]

Hanging with a creature like Mr Divorcellli completely destroys your reputation. I'm sure you are starting to realize this.

[@asdv-gm4yy]

Found the Hasan supporter that came to drop a dookie without actually engaging in anything said in the video