Hasan Piker on Where Democrats Went Wrong in the 2024 Election

[@joshmireles4999]

Jon just being so over Hassan is so funny to me. Jon is the perfect archetype of the dem party: hearing the needs and wants of the people and just wanting the conversation to be over so they could go back to the comfort of their echo chamber.

[@balayagesalon]

Ok well I watched that podcast and I didn't think he was telegenic .And I think Joe admired how good Kamala did during the debate .If she wouldve just been herself and went with her gut instead of ," do this ,don't do that" she wouldve been fine

[@Orfeo68]

Lovett’s incredibly annoying. So glad Hasan destroyed him.

[@Respectable_Username]

Actually he wanted to wrap it up because they went _severely_ overtime. The fact Jon actually allowed the conversation to go on for so much longer than originally scheduled (I think Hasan said they were talking for 2h but it was only planned for like half an hour or an hour) actually shows a lot of grace to hearing out Hasan's differing opinions to him on the direction of the Democratic Party

[@Orfeo68]

@@Respectable_Username 🤣 🤣 ok sure

[@TechnicallyTexan]

@@Respectable_Username 😂😂😂

[@Pharmletti]

The fact that Jon is more combative with Hasan, who had nothing to do with the Democratic strategy, than Dan was in his discussion with the Harris campaign is the exact problem with liberal media. With Hasan’s approach of talking about real material policies for the working class there is still almost disdain on Jon’s face even talking about it. Ridiculous.

[@Inverter222]

Because he's a snobby celebrity on multiple shows. He and Tommy are the worst about the Sanctimonious Rich Democrat that people hate. Change means he can't rub elbows with other super rich dems in power.

[@shashwattripathi2927]

@@Inverter222liar. ive seen your other comments calling him antisemitic. you’re a warmongering shithead making up fairy tales

[@Cryptix001]

I don't really listen to this show but I don't think he was too combative. Although I could also detect a bit of "yeah you think that but really we aren't gonna do that" type vibes. Bottom line, a winning formula for Democrats requires liquidating their billionaire donor and consultant class, and they would rather lose than do that.

[@Louis26Z]

Hasan actively discouraged his millions of fans to not vote for Harris, which served no purpose than to help Trump get elected along with all the other far left “influencers” who did the same with their audiences

[@farxiyeah]

LITERALLY!! as if this pod and cnn haven’t been screaming about the boarding after preaching about getting kids out of cages. these neoliberal losers have no true values, it’s not their lives on the line. what happened to medicare for all jon? what a dweeb

[@jarlsparkley]

I don’t like that Lovett described using a federal agency to investigate a sitting senator’s obvious conflict of interest as “politicizing” the agency. These people should be held to the highest levels of scrutiny. What is going on right now?

[@Nero823]

In context, Hasan was implying that the investigation would only need to happen if they could not get compliance out of him otherwise which is the politicized part.

[@Crusadxr]

Liberal cowardice, generally

[@curtisevans4100]

Investigating someone in order to force their vote is politicizing.

[@brookew352]

It was very discouraging to hear a prominent voice on the left considering investigating Machin’s daughter a way of politicizing the agency. I find it cowardly and I’m glad Hasan pushed back.

[@ronaldcole8889]

It’s this weird (and absolutely wrong) belief that these institutions aren’t inherently political. Republicans know they are and have been using that edge against the Dems for years.

[@a1g0rhythm]

“I will fight for you” is a stronger message than “I’m speaking now”

[@ericsun4663]

Yeah well giving their base a para social relationship is easier than giving them material benefits.

[@amywilson860]

Pretty sure "I'm speaking now" had to do with a man trying to talk over a woman. Apples and oranges.

[@jojosteel3399]

​@@amywilson860I forget the timeline but at some point it was used towards Palestinian protestors which REALLY soured their opinion of the campaign.

[@amywilson860]

@jojosteel3399 oh yeah, I think I remember that...ugh!!!

[@amefuraggamuffin]

Why did Lovett cringe at the idea of investigating Joe Manchin's conflicts of interest? Does he think its a good thing to allow a man with close family ties to oil & gas and pharmaceuticals free reign to keep voting for oil and gas and keeping pharmaceuticals expensive? Such a weird reaction, like he thinks senators are entitled to have conflicts of interest and financially benefit from their office.

[@SixFingeredAmish]

No, he opposed Biden pushing the SEC or whatever relevant agencies to investigate Manchin as a pressure tactic. Of course, if those agencies pursued investigations on their own that's fine. But Biden using his power to punish senators is totally not OK.

[@christianalmli9085]

Because "muh norms"

[@harvster997]

Well that would be impolite to Manchin and we cant do that, hes a democrat!

[@grey_f98]

because Manchin has a D next to his name so it doesn't matter if he's as corrupt as a republican, these people make me sick, hope the clown reads his own comment section

[@CenkZappa]

Bc Manchin isn't the only one that needs investigating...

[@lewa3910]

I felt the spirit of Michael Brooks coming through Hasan's words in this interview. Rest in peace Michael. Remember, be kind to people, be ruthless to systems

[@ArturB9191]

Michael Brooks was a great man. Hasan takes a lot of inspiration from him, often quotes him in his israel gaza coverage.

[@rashauncassells7643]

Hell yeah 💯 & I really hope Destiny sees this comment. It'll melt what's left of his brain 😆

[@Jokani1]

Really miss him😢

[@PutXi_Whipped]

LOL

[@johndoe2169]

that is an insult to Micheal Brooks. One can think whatever they want about MB, but he cared about people. The same can not be said about hassan. He is the most obvious narcissist there is. It boggles the mind, that people are still falling for his shtick.

[@bitterlakestudios]

The fact that Jon is willing to admit that the majority of establishment Democrats feel more comfortable at a table with a Cheney than with a leftist is shocking. The Democratic party cannot be a vehicle for progress so long as that remains the case. That is a withering indictment of the party wether Jon recognizes it or not.

[@Margumentative]

One person at that table wants to overthrow America's system of governance. And it's not Lovett. This shit is so unserious

[@bitterlakestudios]

@@Margumentative you need a fainting couch

[@littelbro14]

@@Margumentative I don't think he ever said that. But does our system seem to be working well right now?

[@alexhanna2445]

@@bitterlakestudios agreed and Jon is also one of those people. Actively taunting Hasan through the interview and yelling, while he goes to brunch with Tim Miller. The call is coming from inside the house.

[@angelacanedit]

I'm glad Hasan pushed back on that.

[@TheDancerMacabre]

23:15 "You want enforcement agencies to do their job?!?!" Holy hell Your response is the most Neo-Lib take possible. Yeah, fuck "proper decorum" and appearance. Hold people accountable.

[@yishnir]

You can't keep pro-billionaire, pro-Wall-Street, pro-status-quo, pro-war people in the same big tent as the American working class, because every goal of the donor class is directly in opposition to any benefit to the condition of the working class.

[@epothos1]

Preach

[@wf2197]

This

[@teddnagurski5583]

Trump did it.

[@st3venseagal248]

Pro-war is too kind for these people. They're genocidal racists at the least imho.

[@yishnir]

@@teddnagurski5583 LOL. No. The American people just did the same thing they've done in the last three presidential races and voted out the party currently in charge. Because they don't want either of them. ;-P

[@yishnir]

1:23:32 - Ah. I see why you don't understand why the Democrats keep losing. Piker JUST told you. Housing. Healthcare. Cost of Living. Homelessness. Quality of Life. The ECONOMY booming for billionaires does not POSITIVELY affect any of those LIVED ECONOMY metrics. Literally the OPPOSITE.

[@AffirmativeArtsOnTheRoad]

Repubs are AT LEAST as responsible for ALL of these problems, policy-wise than the Dems. IMO FAR, FAR, FAR MORE RESPONSIBLE!

[@STOREpappa]

​@@97BlueFlamewow, go touch some grass honestly

[@OrbObserver]

@@97BlueFlame You are completely out of touch with the average American. Everything you say isn't important is what Trump used to win. You're just delusional.

[@LinkRocks]

@@97BlueFlame You farted out right wing nonsense.

[@thorblondal3371]

​@@97BlueFlame you make zero sense haha the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical debt. I would say that's a pretty significant issue people care about. Where are you getting your information? There weren't restaurants and attractions thirty years ago? I was alive thirty years ago and we had lots of fast food places and lots of other forms of entertainment.

[@oraznal13]

The next dem presidential nominee needs to unapologetically run on Universal Healthcare, worker's rights, and the housing crisis.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

Or let Trump tank the economy with his tariffs, and then just run on that. Incumbents everywhere lost voter share, after the recent inflation we had. It'll happen again, if Trump delivers on his indirect promise to drive up inflation

[@jellytoad3239]

@@Bertinator-nm9ld No. That's far from enough. We cannot bank on a narrow victory due to Trump's inevitable failure, it has proven to be a failing strategy. The next presidential nominee needs to scorn the consultant class and embrace broadly popular policies like @oraznal13 said.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

@@jellytoad3239 I mean, it was enough to work for Trump and in a ton of other countries across the globe, in this election cycle. I do see what you're saying, but I'm also starting to wonder if there might be more truth to that old cliche than I've been giving credit to. "It's the economy, stupid"

[@LovelyIslandVacation-ch6wo]

@@Bertinator-nm9ldif you want every election to be the “most important election of your life” because we are constantly beating back fascism and on the brink of losing democracy your plan may work.. but I would rather we do some progressive reforms and throw the drowning working class a bone or two with some “new deal” type reforms. Americans get along better when we are not fighting for scraps and looking for someone to blame for doing worse then our parents generation did

[@stephenmoniz6058]

Yes. Biden won because he hammered home that he would forgive student loans and push for single payer. Neither happened. Doesn't matter. Kamala was a better candidate, but Piker is right, she didn't have a north star that appealed to the working class (her north star was very validly abortion rights, but that's bad politics, people that care about that were voting for her whether she ran on it or not)

[@kylea.9830]

You cant have billionaires and the working class in the same big tent. Our interests are directly opposed.

[@Illyriamars]

10000% agree. Anti establishment dems refusing to take PAC money have been extremely successful and yet the establishment still thinks we need billionaires to win.

[@z.t.500]

If you are a Communist dimwit, it certainly appears so.

[@courtneywachtel4615]

“America is 50 corporations in a trench coat” is my favorite line so far

[@edt003]

Period.

[@lpeter722]

More 15 companies

[@snowballeffect7812]

Korea is like 3 corps in a thong. It's actually wild.

[@landscaperiot]

"You can be rich abroad" is mine lol

[@CyndeLooWho]

Yeah? What happens without corporations? Companies? Whatever you wanna call them. Americans love their iPhones but hate Apple. 🤔

[@mrthewhite2620]

No one was mad you talked to Harris campaign. They were mad at the out of touch answers the Harris campaign gave.

[@playtagwithasemi]

well tbf, half of twitter just hates them, period

[@andref9663]

The answers weren't out of touch, most people are just full of BS. Compared to the Trump campaign, the Harris campaign ran a better operation. The country decided Trump's hateful message, lack of economic policy detail, or January 6th (which killed people) didn't matter. But somehow the Democrats were the main problem, and not Trump.

[@NoHandleBarsOn]

​​@@playtagwithasemi tbf they shouldn't be in charge of running her campaign if they can't distinguish the noise coming from the internet

[@imalwaysright]

What "out of touch answers". Can you give an example?

[@DMachineXClutter]

there was a lot of perceptions of improvement Trump was able to sell to the right, Harris' campaign offered 20k loans for small businesses and not being Trump or Biden. Good answers are a consequence of good agendas and policy plans.

[@halfredp]

Lovett is easily my favorite Pod Save bro but this episode raised an eyebrow. Why the friendly tone with a bad message in the Jen O-D interview but an inquisitive, bordering on hostile, attitude towards Hasan?? He barely engages with Hasan’s arguments, and concedes nothing meaningful, but then at the end says, “how are we going to sustain the coalition? we need to get on board with each other’s message”. Idk man, everything Hasan said was valid and it was disappointing not to hear Jon acknowledge that. It’s crazy how Pod Save goes with the wind of the party/country but isn’t responsive to their audience’s genuine reaction to their message. Almost a direct parallel for the Democratic Party.

[@Ssalamanderr]

The only thing Pod Save can actually say is "the dems need better messaging" they can't actually criticize the party or its policies in any meaningful way

[@seanjenkins5505]

Hasan does not support the Democratic Party and his analysis is laughable. If you think a champagne socialist tankie has any pulse as to what the Democratic Party should do you are out to lunch.

[@linkbox]

Thats liberalism in a nutshell. Democrats / liberals are just the corporate class trying to get the working class to be down with the rich. So gross

[@grey_f98]

The Democratic party has made it clear, they will NOT change, the fault is in the people, the voters, the Dems have made it clear, they want the voters to change. Lovett is a blue no matter who type of liberal, so naturally he falls in line and is hostile to anyone that demands change from the party establishment.

[@Dualhammers]

Nothing crazy about millionaires funded by an adherence towards norms and getting nothing done wanting to get nothing done. The system is working for Lovett's bank account. I mean hell they even fought a union at their own media company

[@coleydotmp4]

PSA - if you want to save america, maybe listen to the people who are actually advocating for progressive, america-saving policy. Its OK to admit that the obama/clinton/biden era is over, time to move forward. You guys are hurting the movement by not.. well, moving.

[@MrMurkosullivan]

Bud... Hasan ensured that very little of his audience actaully voted for VP Harris (If they voted at all). What is this re-writing of such recent history!?

[@coleydotmp4]

@@MrMurkosullivan I don't think it's fair to blame his audience for the Harris loss. She fell victim to the centrist ideologies that plague the democratic party by aligning with the Cheneys and focusing on getting never-Trump republicans to vote for her, alienating the base. Harris ran on status quo when the country wanted change. I'd also argue the hubris for Biden and the democrats to not hold a primary and instead tell the country that their option for blue is Harris was misguided and frankly undemocratic. That turned away more voters than Hasan could have ever influenced. and I don't recall Hasan telling people to not vote for harris or not vote at all. The Dems failed to provide and communicate a leftist agenda so leftists didnt come out to vote, and many voters didn't even know who Harris was when they showed up to the polls. There are many problems but the left can win back america by adopting policies that DO win over voters on both sides - like medicare for all, public college covered, legalization of weed, dismantling the monopolies, raising the minimum wage, AND still advocate for our civil rights stances (which have always been strong but are not being effectively defended - aka harris running away from trans rights). To sum it up - she ran as a borderline republican. The neolib era is OVER and we should move on. Harris could have been the guiding light toward our flavor of populism but instead she campaigned with war criminals.

[@thehustlingaffiliate]

@@MrMurkosullivan I will be honest, her policies are actual dogwater. I keep saying it but I will say, America was given 2 choices, bad or worse. America chose worse, however I don't support kamala's dogwater policies either. Hasan was very open about voting for Kamala, but unlike Vaush for example (mf was glazing the presidential debate like Kamala destroyed Trump), Hasan had a more nuanced take on it which, I am so thankful for. SO SO THANKFUL FOR! Because after the elections, I still feel Hasan was right in almost everything he advocated for and vaush keeps sucking democrats which is just disingenuous

[@yamieruki]

​@MrMurkosullivan how much of a choke hold does hasan have on the election? He gets at most 50k during election cycle and 125 on election night. He also doesn't stream just to say don't vote for kamala if anything he says don't for trump and shows why he shouldn't but why isn't that the thing you see

[@dillonblair6491]

​@@thehustlingaffiliate No 😂 he literally pushed his fans not to vote Democrat because they weren't socialist, Vaush literally said to vote blue and did progressive victory which is a group to canvas and get more people to vote

[@DirefulPot]

You guys need to change the name of this podcast immediately. When Hasan says we should investigate conflicts of interest with Joe Manchin and your primary instinct is to argue and balk; it's clear you aren't even interested in saving your own party, much less the country.

[@pilo19]

100%, really goes to show where this party is at or at least the core of the controlling party. we’re so cooked, new minds and ideas are needed

[@AlessOnFire]

They are as corrupt as the party itself.

[@understandingmusic6620]

The reason Jon reacted that way wasn‘t bc he loves Manchin. When he was relevant they were attacking Manchin every single podcast to the point where it actually got boring. He‘s pushing back because Hasan is making a deeply unconstitutional proposal: where a president would weaponise agencies to pressure political opponents. If you heard a right winger talk about punishing dissent in this way, you‘d probably be concerned. I don‘t think Hasan is coming from an authoritarian place here obv. I just agree with Jon that it‘s a ridiculous thing to demand from Joe Biden of all people.

[@anthonyneilson4404]

​@understandingmusic6620 These are false equivalencies. There is a huge difference between investigating REAL crimes and fabricating crimes for political purposes. If someone is guilty of a crime, the motives behind prosecuting it are irrelevant. Such a simple point and yet I almost never hear it said.

[@Hugo97HD]

@@understandingmusic6620so using your public position to enrich yourself and your friends is not ilegal or inmoral? Instead of trying to play by the rules we should use the rules to make sure that those who are taking advantage and slowing progression are dealt with. Democrats love talking about following the rules but then go an illegally invade or strike a foreign country against international laws. Get your priority straight democrats.

[@bigj17gb3]

This was a VASTLY superior interview and discussion compared to the one Dan did with the campaign staffers.

[@pelicans123]

Notable that there was a lot more pushback and harder questions in this interview with a twitch streamer than there was in the interview with the literal top campaign staff for the Harris campaign - they should have asked those guys some of the difficult questions they threw at Hasan.

[@irenafarm]

I think Dan just wanted to let the campaign team talk. No push back would move those guys on any opinion.

[@BC.......]

Because Dan is a quisling little coward without any ability to challenge power. A shell of a man. Weak and foolish and tiny.

[@ONETimothy2.12-14]

Yeah because he had a piece os tanky on who online leftists seem to identify with most. They completely avoided the fact that the identity politics is precisely why the working class doesn't identify with you.

[@eemoogee160]

@@ONETimothy2.12-14 explain the tankiness.

[@davidmagrass6728]

Hasan: "I Want Socialized Housing!" John: "...okay...(eyeroll)" Hasan: "See? You´re stopping." John: "Look we don´t have time to talk about it. blah blah blah" (What I´m thinking but can´t speak aloud, is that myself and millions of other Americans, in particular most of the older upper-middle class, have most of their wealth and assets stored in the property values of the homes they own, and I don´t want to decommodify housing, because that weakens my class position, and that of the community I best represent. Also no, I don´t want to take the time to hash out here with Hasan how to make social housing into a broad base, big tent pole issue, even if it benefits the majority of Americans and helps the Democratic Party, which I claim to love, win more elections.) There! I fixed it for you :)

[@shazwunder7967]

right? That eye roll was a real mask off moment.

[@Gundum]

The hubris of the upper middle class is something else

[@v0id_d3m0n]

Or he is unfamiliar.

[@matten_zero]

@@davidmagrass6728 this is literally it. There are more of us than there are of his class thankfully (and even class traitors like Catherine Liu and Bernie Sanders and Joe Rogan etc). We need to deflate housing and jobs guarantee for the incels. But their class is so allergic. This is why voting for Trump was a good thing. It is accelerating the reformation of the Democratic party

[@matthewbarr6685]

Socalzied housing is a terrible idea. Hasan doesn't understand economics.

[@Empathetik]

Hasan: "Use the government to govern." Democrats: *gasp* "You mean you want us to... do our jobs?* *surprised Pickachu face*

[@Oh_Dear_Leader]

In the first two years, Biden signed ARP, Infrastructure, CHIPS, gun legislation, and took executive action on student loans.

[@zaplito3023]

Yeah. And Republicans are fascists.

[@selalewis9189]

It’s neoliberal logic. For many of them, governing is too hard, because it is. You have to deal with constituents yelling at you and threatening you. You may find yourself being a pariah among the old guard elites. And then you have to retrain a ton of administrative staff who are used to doing things the old way. It’s much easier to not govern, blame Republicans, blame activists, blame the Left, rather than actually govern.

[@xiomara4362]

Democrats can’t oust/ publicly shame Sinema or Manchin but can primary and oust Cory Bush and ignore Rashida Talib

[@RedTitan5]

Well Rashida somehow deserved it because they voted to netanyahu to win and destroy Palestine

[@nathanwilliams7745]

The corporate donors write BIG checks, and Democrats have become addicted to that support. But those checks also come with a high price, and that price is turning a blind eye to the plight of labor in America. Democrats need to go to rehab.

[@Kalai235]

@@RedTitan5They’re doing it anyway. Biden is a lame duck right now. How does it hurt him to shut off arms deliveries until Trump takes office.

[@nHautamaki]

The Dems did basically oust Sinema and replaced her with a far superior senator, but that was not a sure thing. Arizona is a swing state, just luckily for us, Kari Lake won the GOP primary. As for Manchin, he's always been untouchable because there was 0% chance he will be replaced with a democrat. Tlaib and Bush are in very safe blue seats, so they are completely expendable. That's really all there is to it.

[@RedTitan5]

@@Kalai235 the Arab Americans will be blamed for this... And I think they will vote trump again and cry at the same time... No remorse

[@daniellerussell1879]

What's interesting about this episode is that Jon talks about everyone being mad at them for having the Harris campaign on and then they're going to be mad at them for having Hassan on... I hope you read your comments section of this episode. No one seems to be upset about this episode. In fact, other than Pod Save the World, this was one of the few episodes that's truly spoken to me in a while. In any case, thanks for making room for a conversation like this.

[@mrwobblyshark465]

This pods core normal audience is probably mostly fine with it, but Hasan has a dedicated cult of haters and I know it’s odd to say it like that, I definitely get how it sounds but they really are just a straight up cult

[@RosscoAW]

Yeah, the utter dichotomy between last episodes comment section, and this comment section, is literal night and day. A clear and obvious damning indictment of the status quo and establishment Democrat operatives specifically, and an obvious moral imperative shouted seemingly unanimously that Hasan('s perspective and take on this subject specifically) needs to be INTEGRATED, fully, into how Democrats understand this election and their own party and politics going forward. Clearly, hacks like last episode featured need to be categorically and pathologically SHUNNED and ignored going forward, if not outright excommunicated from the entire party apparatus, and replaced writ large with as many people like Hasan as possible, as soon as possible, if the Democratic party wants to have a snowballs chance in hell of recovering from this catastrophic failure of a campaign.

[@DonWood1]

Well, I'll raise my hand and say I think this guy is full of shit. Just my opinion, of course.

[@michaelbailey9857]

@@DonWood1 You are brave and stunning

[@ns35-h6s]

@@DonWood1 Your opinion is the same one conservatives and neo-Nazis have. They hate Hasan. Maybe use this as an opportunity to reexamine your political views.

[@edmubarek5168]

Hasan: "Your policy sucks." Lovett: "But what about messaging?" Hasan: "Your messaging sucks because your policy sucks." Lovett" "Yeah, but what about messaging?"

[@LycanBitez]

Voters voted for people who wanted to kill ACA, the literal thing that they JUST GOT HANDED that SAVED THEIR LIFE. Policy doesn't matter lol, we've seen that to be carried to fruition this literal year with Muslims who supposedly give a shit about Palestine voting for the guy who doesn't think Palestine is even a word.

[@babymonalisa]

😂😂😂

[@Nathankinamorh]

Host is delusional and completely disconnected from average working Americans.

[@KyleHeinig]

He wants so badly for the Left to be like the Right and just sit on our hands an vote how we are told.

[@OttawaAnon1001]

If only we could upvote this a million times.

[@ourcollectivewisdom8769]

I’m a little stunned at this discussion. Hassan is incredibly gifted and talked circles around Jon (someone I respect enormously), and every time Jon stepped into the stream of discussion, he really struggled to keep up. He couldn’t really articulate any clear arguments. It’s no wonder Hassan streams… his brain works in crazy ways but it’s incredibly insightful to behold.

[@MrCk1234567890]

Yeah Jon was in way over his head in every respect. He couldn’t even consistently make eye contact while talking lol

[@kngvampie]

Is Lovett always this condescending? Piker was giving very genuine and legitimate political strategies and saying things anyone left of center want out of their party, and the whole time he’s acting like he’s speaking to a five year old who’s political manifesto is everyone should have a pony.

[@scruffopone3989]

They've always been like this, that's why their guests until yesterday were only DNC insiders. It's been a circlejerk podcast for years now featuring the people who assume they're experts but were just along for the ride with Obama leading the way.

[@smc4229]

John's attitude is classic Democratic contempt for their voters

[@BanacaNation]

@@smc4229yep, the party of spineless losers is telling leftists that they’re not realistic. They don’t want to try bold and universal policies that they have to hold firm to because it means committing to an ideology that their corporate interests are fundamentally at odds with. The condescension is palpable, but at least most folks are waking up and realizing that these establishment losers that talk like a meandering PowerPoint presentation full of filler are not working for a just future, just one where they stay employed as a smarmy consultant.

[@Bagheadman]

When you can't address points that are being put to you but you're convinced you know best, the only recourse is to pretend what you're hearing is immature, childish or foolish. It's that sense of "I'm right no matter what" that stops establishment Dems and their associated media from listening to their constituents and realizing they have legitimate problems that need solving, not ones that can be dismissed with "oh, they're just bigoted." It shows a shocking lack of empathy and grounding.

[@shannonolivas9524]

I was thinking the same his dismissive "yeahs" and "yeps" sound like he's talking to a 5 year old and he's tired of it.

[@SkidMcmarxx]

Jon being against social housing, the most consistently shown way to reduce housing costs and house the homeless, just says it all.

[@Attack_is_the_Best_Defense]

Social housing is housing built or stimulated by the government and rented to low income households at below 'free market' prices. For many this is the only way to access affordable housing. Only 'free market' zealots can be against this.

[@levihoffman5897]

I’m not sure he’s against social housing. He definetly got freaked out by Hassan saying “socialize housing” though.

[@spongesa27]

Jesus, maybe people esp someone like Jon need to stop freaking out to words that have "social" in it lmao ​@@levihoffman5897

[@user-th1pv6ks5o]

​@@levihoffman5897 What do you think that means 😵‍💫 Hmm idk if he is against it, but he sure did look terrified, and then doubled down on just giving money, then got pissy when Hasan said to not let corpos run off with the money to who knows where.

[@Attack_is_the_Best_Defense]

@@levihoffman5897 Socialise as in public ownership. The government (stimulating) building houses and renting them to low income households. Social housing is usually the only way many people have access to affordable housing. 'Free market' evangelists hate this not only because the government interferes in the housing 'market' but because it drives prices of rent and houses down those with capital use to speculate with.

[@LaserSkinCenter]

Never heard of this guy before (I'm old) but he speaks alot if truth. Much better conversation then with the losing campaign staffers.

[@MitraKesava]

"Hasan Reactions" and "Hasanabi Productions" are two great fan channels that edit down Hasan's news coverage. He's a fantastic voice for the left.

[@dppatters]

Not sure how old you are, but I am older as well and found his takes to be much more refreshing and genuine.

[@HasnaaAlaa]

Check out his official KZbin channel Hasanabi or his daily twitch streams, he covers news and politics, he's great

[@ns35-h6s]

People such as yourself being charitable towards Hasan gives me hope that the wider American electorate would be receptive to left-wing ideas, if presented with viable candidates.

[@delta5297]

Democrats collectively have an inferiority complex. That's why they're always looking for approval from conservatives, trying to do bipartisan deals, that's why they're more comfortable campaigning with Liz Cheney than with progressives.

[@bobjones6154]

holy crap ive scrolled thru the top 20-30 comments and you guys have given me a lot of hope. im far left - socialist - and these comments are all in line with my very gentle, humane political values. its very heartening.

[@shavaughnpalmer8613]

I feel the same way. Hopefully it's not just hopium

[@marcelusdarcy]

A lot who voted for Trump that I've talked to actually agree with us in core values, they just think Trump will deliver it

[@DrewtheJit]

Same. Seems like this pod episode slick radicalized a bunch of people. That dude being a condescending , out-of-touch lib was simultaneously both the worst and best thing that could've happened. His obstinance proved Hasan right, on the spot.

[@killbot6]

Hasan was literally kicked out of his spot at the DNC, while Trump went and talked with JRogan for 3 hours. That is your difference.

[@hawkxlr]

Because Hasan doesn't belong at the DNC. He didnt support the Democratic Party during the election, so the Democratic Party is under no obligation to support him.

[@DizzyBusy]

Lol, that's because Trump is the Hasan of the Republican Party. He's a true right wing extremist talking to Joe Rogan, who's at best mildly dumb, at worst a centre right type. It's just that the Republican Party had a lot of difficulty trying to kick Trump out of the RNC, and not for lack of trying.

[@SkroomJuice]

He was removed from a press booth due to scheduling issues. He wasn’t kicked out, he just lost his booth. He could have live-streamed on site and still covered/interviewed people but instead he went and pouted in his hotel room.

[@raemmio2761]

@@SkroomJuicehe was kicked out they were trying to give him a place that had little connection and space to do interviews. It was their way of trying to keep up the face of being “nice” while kicking him out. It was already reported from insiders in the dnc that hasan was on shaky ground from the beginning it his actions that just tipped the scale to kick him out.

[@SkroomJuice]

@@raemmio2761 oh so the DNC was MORE BASED than I thought? Good riddance Hasan doesn’t belong at the DNC he actively tries to destroy our party lol

[@vizarathali2229]

"You can be rich abroad," is a wild thing to say to a naturalized citizen discussing a potential fear of denaturaluzation.

[@Keldrath]

he's not even naturalized he was born in new jersey.

[@MegaKirbySuperstar]

That was VERY Zionist of him.

[@severalwolves]

@@Keldrath he was born in the US to non-citizen (at the time) parents. semantic distinctions about the term “naturalized” misses the point. members of the incoming DJT admin have openly discussed how they can go about deporting people in his exact position, and I absolutely wouldn’t put it past them to try (esp since he’s been such a vocal, ideoIogicaI critic). also, he’s not allowed back in Turkey because he has been such an outspoken critic of their far-right govt, which puts him in an incredibly precarious position.

[@Keldrath]

@@severalwolves semantic distinctions are important in this case because it downplays how much worse it actually is.

[@maxkopfraum]

that was such a tasteless remark, what was the point?

[@shinnyshin7792]

I love PSA, but they simply do not understand that a large chunk of the voterbase is approaching French Revolution levels of dissatisfaction with elites and the structure of our country. Both Dems and Republicans, we just have different perspectives on the same core complaints. By positioning ourselves as the pro-institution party for elites by elites, we frame ourselves in an incredibly unflattering light and set ourselves up for failure election after election.

[@shiny_x3]

I don't think it's positioning. The people who run it *are* elites. It's their party, not ours.

[@Meek0h]

Fitting seeing that wealth distribution is now remarkably similar to the French Revolution era

[@theNihilisticEngineer]

💯💯

[@ItSkramztime]

They aren't just positioning themselves as a pro-institution party by elites, for elites. It is. It has been. For decades. We all really need to chew on that fact and decide if these worthless incompetent shills deserve our donations and our ears, the reality is what they are saying to progressives now they will be saying to liberals in a couple more election cycles They did this 30 years ago under Clinton with Iraq. That's where we are at, voting for them doesn't fix anything the Republicans destroy when Democrats win, they just sit on their hands, and anything the democrats attempt to build they go about it as fairly and institutionally as possible, unlike their opponents who will absolutely exploit the rules of the game to win. Thus, they accomplish only fractions of what they claim they will, making them look further incompetent, which make no mistake, they are incompetent. Democrats need to reckon with the fact that their party has entirely abandoned them for their corporate benefactors, and progressives need to quit running on their tickets. We can deplatform these impotent losers on local levels as populist progressive independents and build our coalition from there, and why shouldn't we? The democratic party has already showed us loud and clear that they would rather embrace fascism quietly, voting for them at this point is more accelerationist than voting independent. That's just facts, it's where America is at.

[@MrTVintro]

Wealth inequality levels have actually been worse than during the french revolution for over a decade.

[@ScarecrowSkye]

"You can be rich abroad" is an unhinged thing to say to somebody who could lose their citizenship

[@lemons_s]

This conversation offers a better analysis of the Democratic party and contains more substance than the previous conversation with the Harris campaign staff. Hasan correctly pinpoints the issues the party has and is able to offer possible ways to tackle them which the consultants were barely able to do. It's so much better than being "oh we couldn't do this because of that". We want a party that fights, not a party that keeps capitulating to the right.

[@stevesaturnation]

The Harris campaign staff are passing all blame off and taking no responsibility for being Abject Failures. Their bring Trump voters over strategy was asinine, unbelievably dumb. They were cooking with a message of price control on rent and groceries as well as defining their opponents as weird. Woosh, all out the window when the idgit consultants got ahold of them. “Hey I got an idea, we’ll try to out right the right and cozy up for the sake of comity” Yep that’s what America wanted, very nice and joyful kids who play fair with the school bullies. God that’s some weak garbage. Come back to the middle class (what’s left of it) and make THEIR lives better, NO EXCUSES!

[@kevinweber5129]

One of the dumbest guys I’ve heard. If you claim to fight for the working class you would build the wall.

[@zacharythomas8617]

No content bot. Don't bother.

[@herotyranus6540]

@@zacharythomas8617what?

[@podefunder]

@@kevinweber5129 The wall doesn't even keep illegal immigrants out lmao. Complete joke of a policy

[@alexalexalex92]

Painful to watch Lovett not quite realize that it’s time to throw out the playbook, rather than modifying the plays. The reckoning that needs to happen is fundamental. What Jon’s talking is superficial.

[@astrosoup]

If losing to Trump a second time didn't force this reckoning, I don't think anything will.

[@audreybursek8469]

WORD

[@colossalanimeeyes]

@@astrosoup The electoral politics equivalent of Sandy Hook

[@videoveiwer]

20:22 “why doesn’t the homeless person realize their situation is much better” THANK YOU. I was homeless last year, and I really grew to hate democrats that insisted because Biden was in office that the economy was great. Realize it’s not great, and better does not equal good or good enough!!

[@hawkxlr]

Imagine being so stupid that you cant realize that the economy of an entire country doesnt necessarily reflect your own individual experience. By every metric, the economy has recovered immensely following Covid. Sorry you can't grasp such a basic concept.

[@rusk3986]

Democrats also don’t realize how bad some of their ‘feel good’ policies are for the poor. Take car registrations and emission standards - sure sounds great to put the responsibility of climate change down on to the consumer. But often people with cars that don’t pass emission standards are incredibly poor. What are they supposed to do? Not register their car? How do they even sell it then? It’s hopeless. They have to drive unregistered and risk tickets and fines to go work their awful minimum wage job. In a more leftist country, a policy like emissions standards would only be rolled out alongside something like a permanent cash for clunkers that actually lets these people survive while addressing emission issues. Democrat policies always stop just shy of considering anything like that, which makes a ton of working class people hate them. You’d rather have a party like the republicans who just leave them alone completely rather than the dems who only enact policies that actively hurt them. Not a single Harris policy materially helped the working class, so I couldn’t convince any of them to vote for her when I had for Obama and Joe in the past. It was hopeless.

[@zelbinian]

I'm very relieved that your homeless period seems to be over - hope your situation is more stable now and continues to improve.

[@tweda4]

​@@rusk3986 Have you got any citation of a country that pays people for their old shit cars as part of emission standards? I've never heard of something like that, and frankly i dont see why the tax payer has to cover for this kind of thing.

[@rusk3986]

@ What they really do is have functioning and robust public transit. But yes the UK has the ULEZ scrappage scheme, France has the Prime a la conversion, China has vehicle retirement programs, just to name a few. They have multiple paths that more fully solve the problem rather than this wishcasting we do in the US of patting ourselves on the back for solving emissions by actually forcing ppl to buy more cars, which benefits the auto campaign donors, but then not even helping the people who can’t afford it. And never putting the responsibility on corporations. There’s tons more examples of this I can give in America.

[@pixelpixey]

It’ll never not be frustrating how “liberal” media will side eye Hasan, when he is a huge voice for 30s-18 year olds.

[@Anniehits]

This.

[@OyVeey]

They resent his popularity, it's very apparent. And it shows a lot of immaturity and lack of confidence in their own views.

[@mayelarodriguez6319]

"a huge voice for 30s-18 year olds" Bruh, I'm very sure that nothing with more than 17 years seriously enjoys watch Hasan.

[@pixelpixey]

@ his twitch demographic is public knowledge and his audience is 30-18 year olds. Google is free ✨

[@mayelarodriguez6319]

@@pixelpixey 30-18 year olds with mentality of 17-12 years old.

[@lisabisco3583]

I am an old white woman. I have never heard of Hasan Piker but this interview made me want to watch his podcast. Really inspiring interview!

[@elykyle817]

His podcast isn't political, but he streams and talks about news on twitch and uploads edited videos on yt, his username is hasanabi.

[@HasnaaAlaa]

Do it, he's really good

[@matten_zero]

He doesn't have a podcast. Tune into his Twitch streams. He will also watch MSNBC and CNN and add commentary so you kill 2 birds with one stone. You can also just find his clips on KZbin.

[@finnigankhjurich8150]

He does roughly 5hrs+ news coverage everyday thankfully his KZbin channel does 30min bite size segments for him, which i highly recommend. his podcast has nothing to do with his politics, but it is a nice outlet for him to have casual conversations, which I do recommend as well

[@wadeflores6978]

@@HasnaaAlaauses racial slurs, openly supports Hamas and Huthies, has said he would put people who are capitalist in “reeducation camps” and laughed at Jewish parents who gave a speech about their captured son at the DNC….yea really great guy.

[@andrewmalcolm9122]

the hypocrisy of PSA saying "why doesnt the left just coalesce together like the right does?" immediately followed by himself critiquing every policy idea hasan promotes that isnt catered to his own white middle class (social housing, anti apartheid, holding obstructionist dems accountable, policies that alleviate working class and not just the economy most ppl dont own stock after all,...) You are part of the problem. This is how democracy should work, different people contributing to collective policies that are helping society as a whole by attacking problems that are not always your own. It truly seems PSA is just advocating for majority pandering. Who in their right mind sighs at the concept social housing?

[@bourdieufan7433]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@jessicathomasflute]

Somebody who spends all their time focusing on “norms” and “civility” as if people barely able to afford basic living expenses give a single shit.

[@doubled99218]

ur so damn right

[@Thomas-dk6uq]

Yay the guy who was completely blind sided by the last election has it all figured out. Hasan is as out of touch as the average Democrat donor.

[@rbu2136]

The hive mind of the left demanding more hive mind.

[@ozirus3344]

"You want these agencies to be politicized?" YES THEY ARE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT USE THEM TO GOVERN. They are INHERENTLY political.

[@astrosoup]

preach

[@talyahr3302]

How dare you politicize politics?! 😤

[@mexicanhalloween]

lmao, if these agencies aren't already politicized what even is?

[@SkidMcmarxx]

“You’re telling me you want us to address open corruption?! But that dude’s our guy! We can’t do that!”

[@249aaa]

its so frustrating bc the RWers politicize the green M&M changing footwear & providing ppl hygienic products in bathrooms for free

[@komrookmetmy465]

1:34:03 "I want trains!" "I want trains." "I want better public transit!" "Better transit!" "I want socialized housing!" "...Okay."

[@bobhanson1037]

Being bold and holding republican hands didnt work, lets be bold and get kids universal health care. At least if we lose, we can pull republicans left and maybe they do something positive on accident instead of enabling their worst desires. I want you and your kids to have health care. Let republicans be the ones saying no.

[@Dana-pq7ke]

If democrats did that, they'd have all the medical establishment and the insurance industry funding away from it. That's why it never worked before. These industries are too powerful, to fund medicare for all, you have to get rid of private insurance. That is not something the doctors will work with here. They already can't make money on Medicare only. I'm a nurse. In Canada, Australia, UK, the nurses are paid half. The doctors are paid a quarter. Everyone would quit. So none of this will ever happen. Plus, the healthcare is actually worse. One of the reasons I stopped voting democrat was looking at all those studies on the outcomes of those programs and they are horrible. Terrible. Have you even looked any of this up? I would go along with these ideas because other people did. Then I educated myself on it. Yep. Nope, never going to happen. What we can do is reform the costs to insure doctors by making it harder to sue. 90% of lawsuits are dismissed usually because it's some grieving person who is just upset a loved one died, not actual malice. And there are a lot more deregulations we can do to get costs down. I'm actually looking forward to doing some activist work with R on this issue. I have more hope in them right now.

[@Hinderz]

@@Dana-pq7kethis is hilarious to read as an Aussie.

[@bobhanson1037]

​@@Dana-pq7ke you're such a coward. I said bold for a reason.

[@jakal0]

@@Dana-pq7ke No they're not. Nurses in Australia make about 88% of what they make in the US if you include the compulsory 401k equivalent.

[@jackzeldon2883]

@@Dana-pq7ke Obama ran on Medicare for All & Codifying Roe V Wade as a Fed Law in 2008 - when O took office Jan 21, 2009 he had a Dem Majority House & a 60 Vote Super Majority in the Senate & he NEVER even tried on Either - just sold out to Wall St & Big Ins - wake t/f up - there is Zero diff between the Dem party & the Repub party in Wash DC Both are Neo-Con War Mongers who hate the poor & working class & what these two Bougie Libtards are Not getting is that the Avg Arab, Asian, Hispanic, Black & White inner city American voter does NOT view Trump as a Republican or Right Wing....... He's the guy who kicked the Neo Con Repubs who run Wall St in the primary & the Sell Out Dems who control the Gov, Media & Hollywood in the General election I'm not saying that assessment is accurate but that IS how the proletariat view Trump & the Bourgeoisie in DC that control Both parties pretending it's not happening has only exacerbated this phenomena

[@zahraseyam4582]

A Pod episode I actually sat through it's entirety. Didn't even miss the other guys. This guy really articulated the issues so well. Excellent convo.

[@kaashkat]

love hasan his twitch streams are like this but better

[@gotmoresoul]

This was also my first time ever listening to an entire PSA episode from start to finish.

[@KaylaJones2000]

Hamas Piker is everything I hate about political pundits and talk shows. Hasanazi does not seek to have conversation and debate, he seeks to first and foremost, to prove you wrong, and that helps create radicalization and echo chambers that many of my generation have dug themselves in. People on the internet get cancelled over so much less, but he actively fasley accuses people of being genocidal, racist, and murderous when he is exactly what he excuses others of. I wish other creators would at least publicly distance themselves from him, or preferably, publicly denounce them.

[@AKDN91]

@@KaylaJones2000cry about it.

[@Taycatte]

@@KaylaJones2000 Hurry, keep copy pasting, I'm sure you get a whole five cents per post.

[@nicholashaines8481]

Hasan is absolutely correct to observe that the Democratic Party needs to become widely known for fighting like hell for universal programs that massively improve the lives of hundreds of millions of Americans. The technocratic neoliberal approach of fighting for small-bore programs that disappear without a trace has obviously failed. Fighting for abstract notions such as "norms", "institutions", and "democracy" while caving in to Republicans time after time on economic policy is a losing strategy.

[@marilynkarwoski1586]

maybe if i understood more, if i kept better informed. I seem to go with simple explanations - like Repubicans. I just keep remembering a brief sermon i once heard from a priest - he said people need an "adult faith". He said he meets so many people who are so brilliant, sophisticated, about business, about civic problems, about church & family dynamics, but when you talk to them about religion you think you're talking to a 6-year-old. They still speak about whatever they were taught - at age 6. Maybe that makes them reluctant to spend time getting informed & gaining understanding about religion (& politics). Maybe it makes them vulnerable politically. I'm trying to keep an adult religion about my fellow citizens who have done such a stupid, childish thing (in this election). I'm so angry with them. Thanx to anybody who's read all the way thru this.

[@garretnarjes782]

And no more means testing. Means testing costs money, makes it something "for the poors", instead of something all americans use.

[@CharlesBowden]

@@garretnarjes782 100%. Only means test we need, if any, is for benefits to be taxable and build stuff into the tax code to deal with people taking benefits that don't "need" them.

[@technokicksyourass]

@@garretnarjes782 You haven't looked at the entitlement spending have you? There is a reason the democrats are not running on increased entitlements.

[@RobertDrane]

@@garretnarjes782 Outside of the all the way's its bad for political support, its also just morally shitty to tell people raised in a culture of individualism to go prove how poor they aare (and by extension what a failure they are) any time they need a hand. It feels like shit man. "Yeah this is all I earn. No I don't have any savings. This wasn't exaclty what I'd hoped for either." "Can I have my $40.00 / month in food assistance please?"

[@jazminfrancesca463]

I really hope these Pod Bros read the comments

[@jillfeatherman5523]

Jon is so uncomfortable in this conversation. He’s so programmed to blaming republicans for everything. I think he hasn’t accepted the fact that democrats are to blame too.

[@rainycitygirl]

I give him a lot of credit for even having this conversation! Uncomfortable conversations are wonderful and something that is missing in media today.

[@TC-uj6jc]

@@jillfeatherman5523 no it's a waste of time neither of these clowns understand the median voter.

[@ortah2616]

@@TC-uj6jc Wow, the median voter doesn't care about the economy and doesn't worry about if they can afford rent or groceries? News to me!

[@kate062127]

agree but you’ve gotta start somewhere. if a talented leftist can get people like jon to think twice about even a few things…

[@scarletsletter4466]

He’s right to be uncomfortable. Hasan is entertaining, but the type of candidate he wants would not get 30% of votes in a national US election. Some of his points are good, but his beliefs just don’t match the electorate. For example, we know that “trans” ad that he said didn’t upset anyone but the Beltway actually has been shown in multiple surveys to have impacted swingstate voters. And he’s wrong & out-of-touch on immigration. Nobody who runs on an open border will win, & Biden/ Harris border disaster may keep Dems out of POTUS for the next decade

[@Yasmineboumaiz28]

I have been WAITING for someone to express this frustration with the Democratic Party! I felt like I was going insane watching mainstream coverage. I felt insane hearing the DNC speeches this year- straight up right wing. This party is dragging us further and further right and blaming voters when they lose

[@socialistrevolt]

@@Yasmineboumaiz28 definitely would recommend @hasanabi

[@Besdayz]

its not exactly right wing. its corporate elite. big tech pharma and clean energy are the elitists of the left and they have taken over the messaging and control pelosi obama schumer clinton. they hate Bernie.

[@vincentgriffin3166]

Right wing? C’mon now.

[@ProgrammingWIthRiley]

@@MagnitudeReviewsremember when he did YT on Fb live? These were the days

[@InvinciblKillerQueen]

@@vincentgriffin3166 They promised to build the wall, claimed we'd have the world's "most lethal military", and endorsed fracking. These are broadly right-wing talking points.

[@Raven-dn4zz]

Good conversation, bring more guests like Hasan.

[@iamryzn]

yes this!

[@awesomeville1]

yes!

[@MegaAwesomeguys]

Exactly! Get more

[@jakeb8942]

Destiny would be better tho....

[@jpdc99]

@@jakeb8942-said no one ever

[@she_is_lavender_rose]

Wow this interviewer really is not interested in understanding where the democrats went wrong.

[@RosscoAW]

He really does care far, far too much about gaslighting himself into pretending that leftists will ever "fall in line" behind liberals, rather than accepting that the inverse is true -- the responsibility is on liberals to fall in line behind leftists, and let leftists do aggressive leftism and actually improve peoples lives, materially.

[@ambitionbird]

Jon's condescending face when he pearl-clutches over the idea of investigating politicians' conflicts of interest is so priceless. This is the face of a liberal whenever yous suggest actually doing something to stop corruption.

[@earthlingphilosophy3531]

[@Beemmeupz]

Because its literally what trump was doing. Was sinema voting against that because his constituents wanted him to? In that case Biden is going against the will of the American people

[@AuntieFa]

Also... I can't believe he called himself a zionist publically, at this late late. Holy shit.

[@JEEBUSxHIMSELF]

democrats are afraid to wield power

[@prime157]

Aww, poor baby simp. Hasan loves fascism due to the controversy he gets.

[@cybeleknowles]

I watched the entire conversation with Hasan. Jon Lovett does not appear to fully understand how desperate so many people in the United States feel, and how tenuous our safety is. At around 1 hr 24 min, he most clearly expresses his mystification about our unhappiness with our circumstances. I'm gobsmacked by the disconnect.

[@LycanBitez]

It's my trans friends on the line, women in my life on the line, my gay ass on the line, so Hasan feels a hell of a lot more like he doesn't understand how desperate it is. Trump got a million + people killed and not only are people cool with that, they are completely willing to overlook him harming millions more. Hasan feels like he creates a permission structure on why you shouldn't even engage with the Dem party than he does someone who actually cares.

[@Cleverconveyence]

I really hoping that this gap, through further conversations, can be closed one day, because hoooooly fuck

[@kla221B]

Outside of the service sector, when do you think the last time any of the PSA guys or DNC operatives have had a meaningful conversation with a normal person in a lower tax bracket than them. Having true financial stability for a long period of time does something to the way people view the economy.

[@jamesh7469]

"If you look at a chart of the economy, it doesn't make sense that americans elected a facist" Lovett... the realities of the voter base are not reflected by the average of the entire economy, being pulled up by the extraordinary success of the 1%. The fact that he doesn't understand this is insane and the most painful disconnect

[@cybeleknowles]

​@@kla221B good point. If these pod guys actually wanted to be good at their job, which is making *relevant, accurate, and insightful* commentary on the nation (instead of just hosting a circle jerk), they should to take a group of us poors out to dinner once every week every single damn week and listen to us rant. A different city, town, or community every week. I'm sure they can make room for it in their budget.

[@solargh]

Gotta admit this guy knocked it out of the park about the way I feel about the party and the direction it's gone in since 2009. Why does he understand me better than the people who are paid millions of dollars do?

[@spacedad2890]

Because he's a principled leftist with a materialist understanding of politics and people's needs. The overpaid rich dem consultancy class are just salespeople and the product they are selling is that they can shed the FDR progressive legacy of the party and become 'republicans lite' to please the party's rich corporate donors, thus ensuring they maintain their overpaid consultancy jobs. Meanwhile the dem base coalition bleeds voters as people grow disillusioned with an out of touch party driven by greed and cynicism.

[@ethanstump]

Hasan is also paid millions of dollars. It's not how much either makes, but who they make it from. Jason gets millions from millions of regular people. The dem establishment gets millions from a handful of wealthy people. As much as they don't want to admit it, that loyalty does significant work in what they work towards and what they are willing to take a bullet for.

[@ZiggyPalffyLA]

Because those millions of dollars depend on them intentionally NOT understanding you

[@fento6054]

he is also paid millions of dollars.

[@ZiggyPalffyLA]

@fento6054 Hasan comes from money, which makes his fight for the working class all the more admirable.

[@born2lewse]

“tell me why” “there’s no they” “our audience is diverse” “hit me with why i won’t like it” oh he’s pissed lmao

[@Marriedbymarie]

47 woman from Australia, with American Politics as my life long ADHD hyperfocus. I joined twitch and watch Hasan every day. Its so refreshing to hear from a person who really understands progressive values, embraces community and just gives a sh*t about people. His Pro Palestine stance is truly inspiring and renews my faith in humanity. thank you for featuring Hasan. I hope it brings him many more subscribers.

[@MbuyulucasMakayi]

Same but Zambian . You made me realize that I hyper focus on American politics and Hassan has been my new favorite commentator to watch

[@emm8357]

You have the same ADHD hyper focus as me lol

[@babymonalisa]

Same here! 50 year old lady from East Sussex, England.

[@MrDesmondPot]

@@babymonalisatop bird

[@name-fv4du]

same here but from guatemala!

[@hauntedmasc]

I kinda wish this was the tone of the show more often. Really nice to see an _actual conversation_ among the spectrum of legitimate discourse. I think Jon and Hasan have a really nice chemistry--even better if there wasn't so much coiled tension. Jon conceding that establishment Dems feel better at a table with Cheney than they do with a progressive is a withering indictment. These are the kinds of conversations that need to be happening if Americans are going to pull this back. Good luck lol. Love from ANZ ❤

[@emm8357]

Yes! I could have even listened to another hour or so when they got into fitness and fulfillment.

[@lasfloresdicen]

❤🇭🇲🇳🇿

[@Dija378]

Yes except the left aren’t great with coalition building so brining the country back will be longer than people anticipate.

[@lemongrabthesecond]

It's so much more interesting watching people that disagree on (important) issues that are honest actors.

[@reading1713]

Did you hear what Jon said he was using for fitness? I am curious about it and want to check it out​@@emm8357

[@hectorhall82]

23:17 is where I first became very upset with Jon Lovett for his smug condescension when Hasan was proposing legitimate, legal means of Biden applying pressure to the corrupt Joe Manchin. Sorry, but Lovett rolling his eyes there was so frustrating to see as a response.

[@dankprole7884]

@@hectorhall82 it's weird because apparently Obama took inspiration from Lincoln when passing the ACA, and FDR has super-Reagan status in the Democratic party, and yet these modern Presidents who like to compare themselves to those legends, are so process-obsessed in comparison.

[@Nathankinamorh]

Why do Dems keep losing? IDK

[@silvia_music]

It’s because Lovett is still part of the Obama era where respectability is above all else. They don’t care if they lose as long as they have their self righteousness to keep them warm. The old rules are gone since Trump won and Hasan understands that.

[@leavecowsalone]

Lovett thinks his adnerence to literally meaningless orthodoxy for it’s own sake - not actionable morality, just self congratulatory norm following - means that he understands politic better than Hasan. It’s really arrogant, actually. The institutional approach Lovett is so attached to has resulted in the dem party losing the working class, and possibly for a generation. So STOP doing and thinking the shame sh*t. How is it helping? Revise the approach. Hasan is completely reasonable to say individuals acting AGAINST progress and the best interests of the people AND are simultaneously benefitting corruptly, should have that corrupt benefit taken from them. We need a less individualistic approach. What Manchin’s daughter is doing IS relevant to his role as a legislator, stop pretending it’s separate.

[@ClayClaydol]

The pod save america guys have always been a little establishment democratic party pilled. It leaks out every once in a while.

[@annikaholm1533]

This is so much better than most of the usual episodes. Bring him back!

[@rowan3902]

"I want a party that fights for marginalized people and doesn't give a shit about bipartisanship." 🔥 Imagining the world where DNC staffers were interested in winning on this strategy.

[@FloridaCracker-et5mw]

If you're referring to the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ then I have some bad news. Those folks are always going to be insignificant compared to mainstream voters.

[@DemonDante1000]

Exactly. Hasan hit the nail on the head. When Democrats are campaigning for office, they will call the Republican candidate every name in the book, painting them as a threat to Democracy. And yet, Democrats will go out of their way to involve Republicans when they are crafting legislation and in power. They do this so they can point to the bipartisan nature of the legislation when making excuses as to why they failed to deliver what they promised when running for office. Its why you hear the likes of Nancy Pelosi say "the country needs a strong Republican party" during a public event. You know what the country really needs, Nancy? It needs a strong, competent, uncorrupt, representative DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

[@victorbernard1256]

Tacking to the hard left will further shrink the coalition. America is not far right and not far left. It sways between center left and center right. Going all the way in either direction is what brings defeat. Both parties suffers from the same problem, it just sways back and forth like a pendulum.

[@riadramsaroop8248]

​@victorbernard1256 dude trump is in office and he won twice on being a literal fascist maybe it's time for you to admit you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

[@ShaldowB]

Really? Because one candidate this election ran a center-left to center-right moderate campaign, whilst the other ran a far-right populist campaign, you wanna guess who won?

[@mikayocc]

I've been a fan of the pod for a long time, and agree 90% with you guys/your guests on most subjects. I realize that was a problem, no matter how righteous it made me feel. Some of the things Hasan said were uncomfortable and challenging, but are really important if we want to win in 4 years. Glad PSA is having more guests like him on for the discourse.

[@markfcoble]

Hopefully these two help again.

[@jaymercer4692]

Your "we want to win" is really telling on American liberals. You seem to want to Democrats to win regardless of their policies and platforms because they're your team. The Democrats deserved to lose and they'll continue to unless they actually advocate for the rights of the people and not corporate interests. Even if they are better than the Republicans. Even if you do feel like you have to begrudgingly defensively vote for them. I cannot understand the mentality of identifying with them and wanting them to "win" rather than wanting actual policy changes.

[@pootyjay69]

Glad you’re open to hearing the challenging and hard truth

[@happybdaypatrol]

Hope listeners are realizing that this Jon guy is only there to protect the dem party instead of being a voice for progressive change

[@andrewforman7809]

hahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahah hasan has the politics of a 15 year old edgy commie and he hates america cmon son...if we want to lose until the end of time we listen to people like hasan

[@zaloo]

"the American government is 50 companies in a trench coat" 💀

[@sirhobo5987]

The United States of Corporations

[@angelgarza7437]

​@@LBJ-ez7mmdoes it matter, it's still true

[@LBJ-ez7mm]

@@angelgarza7437 taking intellectual labor without compensation or credit. What a pathetic socialist.

[@MexicanShirouEmiya]

​@@LBJ-ez7mmand? It still holds true

[@LBJ-ez7mm]

@@MexicanShirouEmiya you should always give credit and compensation for another’s labor.

[@hourglass4208]

Please bring Hasan back. We need more of this.

[@irenafarm]

Great convo. First post mortem I've heard that didn't make me want to throw my phone. 😂 Have Hasan back, pls.

[@eemoogee160]

Bad Faith podcast, The Lever, and many nonestablishment podcasts are doing great analysis. They can afford to be honest.

[@alexlaurent1018]

The fact that this interview was as combative as it was is a sign that democrats need to be having more conversations with leftists & visa versa.

[@IvanMalison]

...more vice versa. Hasan's perspective is incredibly reductive and his claims don't really fit the data very well.

[@bobhanson1037]

​@@IvanMalison the data is there. He uses how Harris most popular policies were progressive ones and not the tax breaks. Walz was more popular than any of the 3, he's a progressive governor who cares about improving our lives. He's improved my life and kids in MN. People don't want democrats to be republican lite, it's why they lose. Running on a unified message such as change specifically for health care is what got Obama elected, and he passed the ACA and got rewarded for it with a second term. Hillary lost and she was moderate compared to Obama. Biden won on a progressive message, he just was to old to communicate anything. Harris came in and became less and less popular as she spoke because people didn't want a Liz Cheney endorsed, republican border policy, tax break for small businesses which does nothing for families, anti trump message. So we find being a democrat who has a popular policy, who runs to the left to show how bad trump is without having to say it. Democrats keep thinking people hate trump, they do but they don't care they hate do nothing democrats too.

[@CMike44]

​@@IvanMalisonthe data is shaped by people like Jon telling voters what is and isn't possible

[@ale.c2602]

@@IvanMalisonwhat data? please cite your sources with specific example. Everything i’ve ever seen from hasan is data backed (im literally a scientist)

[@CalamosSD]

I think a Conversation is bilateral, rather than one direction and another, but I agree more of these conversations are critical to liberals/leftists/non-republicans returning to power.

[@patrickgreen6793]

Everytime a PodJon sighs, an Ivy schooled toadie gets a lanyard in DC

[@advisorywarning]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@silvia_music]

@@patrickgreen6793 LOL

[@ryes5]

“DONT SIGH VOTE” I used to be a fan of this pod but holy shit these guys have become insufferable

[@tylerbarrios9762]

@@ryes5truly!!

[@thehumanity0]

@@ryes5 I saw one or two of their shows before the election - they were on top of the world and pretending like Democrats had absolutely nothing to worry about, while simultaneously ignoring leftists warning Dems that maybe touring with the Cheneys is a bad strategy.

[@ericbrock5405]

This comment section is awesome, I'm so glad there's so many people actually capable of saying that the democratic party is seriously dog shit XD

[@presidentalpaca]

it's been excruciating watching hasan give this spot on analysis for months, years, while the dems make the most self-demolishing moves possible every single chance they get

[@LightningLynx89]

Ain't this the 40 year old who acts like a teenager? Ain't this the guy who is nearly 40 and isn't married and doesn't have any kids or any semblance of a lasting legacy? Ain't this the guy who props up and glazes terrorists? Ain't this the guy who hates Jews? Ain't this the guy who visited a German Brothel that got raided for sex trafficking? Ain't this the guy who called his porn star girlfriend wouldn't call him back? Ain't this the guy who says it's okay to rape women so long as they're Israeli or rich?

[@Erosis]

@@presidentalpaca you can never be wrong when all you do is complain from the sidelines.

[@alitheadd]

@@Erosis clearly your apathy is helping right?

[@Prometheus4096]

He didn't even vote for Harris himself. WTF are you talking about? He is pro terrorist anti democratic, anti American.

[@DanJuega]

​@@ErosisDumb take

[@cassandratq9301]

Yes! YES! YES! Fight for the people! Not "norms". And DEFINITELY NOT "BIPARTISANSHIP"'!!

[@Ryuujinv01]

Bipartisanship is just republicanism in a scooby doo villain mask.

[@snaggiz]

When Kamala said: ”I’ll give them a seat at the table”, I couldn’t believe my ears. Does she know she’s talking about fascists? Why would we give them a seat at any table?

[@jsisi]

Bipartisanship is a tactic, not a goal. Dems often get it twisted.

[@OrbObserver]

@@snaggiz If there are 10 people sitting at a table and they know one of them is a N*zi, there are 10 N*zis sitting at the table.

[@jed4131]

Pod Save, I abandoned you for Hasan a couple years ago. The defensiveness here that didn’t exist in Dan’s interview yesterday day is a great reminder why.

[@nadiav5556]

same and I feel the same way. Wild how out of touch the former obama speechwriters/staffers are. Glad they're at least able to talk to Hasan, whose self-control was and is always very impressive.

[@iamheatheranne]

Well said. I tried to make a similar post but wasn't able to do it as articulately as you.

[@kate062127]

me too

[@Vexh-h5d]

Same here

[@jorgemartinez42069]

PSA didn't support Hezbollah enough for you?

[@DJ_Has_Thoughts]

At 44:30 I feel like Hasan was 3 seconds from getting into how disastrous the Israel / Palestine conflict has been and PSA decided it edit that part out and AGAIN around 1:02:45

[@hueyPneutron]

yo i have never heard someone cook this hard this close to actual establishment

[@dradennewberry3290]

He cooked pretty hard while at the DNC too

[@radiosilence104]

@@dradennewberry3290which is why they eventually kicked him out of the event…

[@dradennewberry3290]

@@radiosilence104 yep, truly a democratic party

[@alexhendrickson5388]

close to the establishment lmao what

[@iansaunders2781]

@@alexhendrickson5388half of these guys were Obama staffers , so literally

[@PatWeston]

Lovett trying to run defense for the Dems is very important. Hasan is able to pick it apart piece by piece and is speaking much more coherently. He's literally giving Dems a road map to success in the future. Will they listen? No, they love losing, but at least someone with a loud voice is using it.

[@Picxalate]

They're out of touch and can afford the luxury of losing without consequence to their bottom line. They would rather wait it out and watch everything burn before making a progressive shift in policy.

[@RosscoAW]

They just love civility, and don't care about winning or defeat. They think their values inherently superior to, and above, such "material" considerations as victory or loss. As far as they're concerned, as long as they're being civil liberals, *they, personally, are winning.* They are far too individualistic to actually care about other people enough to care about victory or loss and its consequences.

[@tinywhale3954]

But it isn't a road map to success. Hasan is WAY more out of touch with average Americans than PSA and Lovett is and it's not even close.

[@PK-ex6nf]

@@tinywhale3954You don’t even believe that

[@dinkaboutit4228]

He's giving them a roadmap to success, but it's a roadmap to success for US, not for THEM, and that's why they JUST CAN'T hear the message.

[@hiskyepie]

This conversation had 10000% more substance than the interview with Harris’ campaign staff, holy shit lmao. Hit on sooo many real solutions & conversations I’ve seen online and irl

[@rahulraghu4928]

I think a guest Ezra Klein had recently hit the nail on the head, people are tired of “follow the process” politicians of their issue is the process is broken and doesn’t yield results, and Harris’ campaign staff were purely “we followed the process so we are inculpable”about the failures of the campaign.

[@dayvwayv]

please do research into hasan's "evidence" and realize that his views are not rooted in reality, i am as left as they go but we can't let another incompetent man gain power just because he says the right things.

[@regulatedfreestylevideos]

@@dayvwayv ok i'll bite, who do you prefer instead of hasan that represents your as-left-as-they-go views?

[@IntenseSlacker]

@@regulatedfreestylevideosin before they say Divorcelli

[@Unclejamsarmy]

@@dayvwayvHasans arguments largely boil down to “bernie sanders would’ve beaten trump” do you even disagree? Trump tells an angry nation to blame immigrants from Honduras and cultural elites, bernie tells them to blame billionaires and big business. Obviously that’s a better answer to trump than “don’t be mad, actually things are really good and we’ll make them a little bit better working together with the cheneys and protecting our sacred institutions”

[@Bluspacewizard]

Really wish the Pod Save bros would listen and actually HEAR what he's saying..he has his ear to the ground in more meaningful ways then they do. Jon - I love you and your work so much, but you are so dismissive of his points. You are going to have to massively reframe your thinking about the Dem party.

[@muyoung1591]

Lovett was consistently proving Hasan's point about what is Wrong with how Democrats Govern and Message.

[@Mr.Limekiller]

gluck gluck gluck

[@jaefrmbk2k]

all lil dude could focus on is how can Dems Message instead of the whole Policies needed to win that Hasan kept layin out 🤡

[@didi1406]

@@jaefrmbk2kthis. I was getting frustrated because this guy is such a corporate dem talking point. Hasan makes good points and he completely ignores it and this is why the dems lost. They’re not listening substantial issues and only focused on what they want

[@ericfranklin1802]

@@didi1406 Exactly he’s just reciting the same nonsense, I mean the constant going back to “It’s not an Israel problem, it’s a Netanyahu problem” when settlement building has only ever expanded or accelerated under every Israeli leader coupled with the fact that these settlers still receive government healthcare, get protection from the IDF while they expel Palestinians, etc. The government has always been directly involved the only difference between their leaders is how public they want this issue to be.

[@stevenhanley5505]

Hasan mentioned the bread and butter issues that people feel are getting worse, like healthcare, cost of living and housing. And the immediate rebuttal was about economic graphs, completely missing the point. This channel is too much in the Democratic bubble to understand how to respond to the political moment.

[@redmed10]

1:14:50 Big sigh from lovett when hasan says isaraeli apartheid needs to be abolished.

[@porfiriodiazcarrillo7551]

and he is still into the Two state solution copium

[@Chelts]

For us in the safety of a sec. democracy to gleefully watch the mayhem online. Two state Now and open borders Later. That's what most people in the region want.

[@RosscoAW]

@@Chelts What people want is irrelevant, what is moral and practical and possible and immediately achievable is what is relevant. That means acknowledging that Israel has already rendered any kind of two-state solution infeasible, with their goal of creating a singular zionist state predicated on a permanent apartheid that can maintain it's theocratic ethnostate. Obviously, Israel's goal is not permissible, and will never be achieved anyway (because fascism is self-defeating, as we are seeing demonstrated since Oct 7, and as we have seen clearly and plainly since the beginning of the Nakba). The only moral solution is a singular, secular, multicultural state, with an equal and unmitigated right to return for all of the entirety of the Palestinian and Jewish diasporas both. I don't care what you end up calling the state, you can name it Israel or Palestine or the Union of Israel and Palestine or Country ABC123 for all I care, as long as the apartheid is dismantled, the occupation ended, the genocide atoned for, and the end result being a state where Israeli and Palestinians can marry and coexist equally alongside each other with the same rights regardless of race, ethnicity, or creed, as a united people. Now, if you think a two-state solution is possible, you need to describe literally how you dismantle the settlements in the West Bank (and, presumably, soon again in Gaza) in a way that is fair to the settlers already there. WHO, WHAT, an anti-zionist is saying you have to be "fair" to settlers? Yes, because they're human, and no violence is justifiable -- except the inherently self-justified emancipatory action against an occupation force. When the Zionists abandon (or are forced to abdicate) their zionism, and their theocratic ethnostate ambitions, and the extant vestiges of that theocratic ethnostate are disestablished entirely, then there will be peace. And that will happen through a BDS movement, the same way *all of everything I described above happened in South Africa.* The Afrikaner apartheid was dismantled, and that is the same -- inevitable, unavoidable -- fate of the zionist state. So, again, I'd love to believe in and advocate for a two-state solution, but it seems Israel has already rendered that entirely impossible in their goal of making only a singular state viable. So, please, convince me it is possible to end the apartheid and establish a separate state for Palestine, like... at all, in any practical sense. As it stands, it seems the second state is already entirely occupied, literally entirely, by the Israeli occupation.

[@loliejean]

Jon's take is why can't it just go back to occupation and apartheid, it's all Netanyahu BS. Seems very out of touch with the majority of Israeli society..who early on 2/3 of didn't even want humanitarian aid to enter Gaza. Tommy needs to explain some things to Jon.

[@blah55044]

@@RosscoAW Yes dude. Thank you for articulating this.

[@stevenberlanga3052]

Jon is the perfect representative of the Democratic Party in this interview. Condescending and smugly unaware

[@allterraindummy]

He got kicked off of Survivor on the first episode because he tried to form an alliance with a guy who told him to his face that he was going to betray him. If that's not a perfect allegory for this Cheney-chasing party, I don't know what is.

[@FranciscoMartinez-yz3zg]

You guys have finally posted an interview worth sitting through since the election. Get on board with Hassan, Lovett, he’s right on how to address the housing crisis. Housing co-ops could actually work in this country.

[@lukeworldwalker]

Can’t believe my favourite conservative content creator Hank Pecker is now a leftist dude. What an awesome turn of events.

[@danielomar9712]

Can't trust these conservatives these days ! Immediately grfting to the left once their party wins !!!

[@LightningLynx89]

Ain't this the 40 year old who acts like a teenager? Ain't this the guy who is nearly 40 and isn't married and doesn't have any kids or any semblance of a lasting legacy? Ain't this the guy who props up and glazes terrorists? Ain't this the guy who hates Jews? Ain't this the guy who visited a German Brothel that got raided for sex trafficking? Ain't this the guy who called his porn star girlfriend wouldn't call him back? Ain't this the guy who says it's okay to rape women so long as they're Israeli or rich?

[@jimmypad5501]

Huh?

[@CrazyJaysis]

Hank pecker is hasan's conservative character.

[@PilafIsACookingMethod]

@@CrazyJaysisCharacter? Don’t be fooled.

[@Materialist39]

For all the frustration this interview gives me, I’m glad Hasan continues to hammer home the consistent messaging across all platforms, he’s genuinely good folks. And I will give the Pod Jons some props for having him on again.

[@linuxshawty]

Crazy that this guy can actually tell it like it is. It's not about politics being a grand mystery, it's just about connecting the thread from what we need straight to where it comes from. Bring hm on again!

[@reeltwig2929]

@@MagnitudeReviews his takes like “old enough to count, old enough to mount” real solid bro tip 😂

[@mrfuzztone]

He has a good KZbin channel.

[@smoaky123]

@@reeltwig2929yea that’s bullshit, link it. Zero chance that’s not taken completely out of context. Probably making fun of some weirdo and got clipped.

[@cubsfanbigmike31]

​@@reeltwig2929 record yourself talking for 8 hours a day. I'm sure you won't ever get clipped.

[@rastapayne7332]

I'm usually not a consumer of hasan but I'm 30 mins deep and I agree with every, single, point he is making right now.

[@but.like.why.though]

As a middle-aged suburban mom, I'm proud to be a 35 month subscriber to Hasan! I came across his content on KZbin by chance, then started watching on Twitch... now I'm fully Has-pilled! Love this dude and his authenticity! Hey chat!! ❤

[@theNihilisticEngineer]

♥️♥️

[@raydimepolanco]

👋🏾

[@tayk4444]

This is exactly how I found him too! Hasgirlies unite

[@NahtShure]

👋

[@SunLollyandRainbows]

[@notsalieri]

OMG for the first time ever Pod Save America is joining us in the real world that real Americans live in, and may actually achieve a particle of relevance.

[@xandercrews4729]

@@notsalieri nothing about Hasan is reflective of real Americans.

[@MinkytheMinkY]

So true, they're so up their own's, they don't realize their irrelevance.

[@dagopoe]

by talking to a "socialistic communist"? there has been ZERO substance and absolutely no pushback on either front. Waste of time.

[@nbagirl1720]

@@dagopoe you clearly didnt watch it lol

[@dagopoe]

@@nbagirl1720 Name a single, coherent point that was made to better the movement. Substantiate just one, please.

[@boywunderkind]

Haven’t seen this guest before, but he makes a lot of points that I first heard from Pod Save years ago that got me interested in the podcast. Wish every guest could be like him.

[@layladystay]

Check out his good friends chapo trap house if you like this more than podjon

[@potatopoker2141]

He streams every day on Twitch and a lot of his content can be found on youtube. Hope you check out more!

[@RuneFoot]

He is a tankie comunist who is an anti Semite. He also hates liberals and the democratic party. He isn't in our tent.

[@RuneFoot]

​@potatopoker2141 i wish we could ban hasan but unfortunately dan clancy masterbates to him every night

[@ubuu7]

He's behaving himself here. This guy is a tankie / actual socialist that spends as much time bashing dems and suppressing turnout as attacking the right.

[@MrMburciaga]

Does this host bother to listen or is he just waiting for his turn to speak?

[@EcoHass]

The guys from Pod Save America are too soft, they should be more like Hasan, speak with more conviction. We don't want bipartisanship, We don't want to compromise with Republicans. We want tougher Liberals!

[@happybdaypatrol]

Liberals realizing they aren't actually progressive and will side with conservatives any time progressives want to do something

[@Dragon5Incarnate5]

We want PROGRESSIVES, liberals have long since abandoned those values.

[@theoldhermit2601]

Im by no means a hardline lefty, but unfortunately its difficult to expect toughness from liberals. The last time liberals got tough against fascism was the 1940s, and even that was under a president who was the closest to a leftist as we've ever had, and a large portion of liberals were hardline isolationist then, right up until Pearl Harbor happened.

[@michaelcummins7397]

‘Tougher liberals’? It’s liberal POLICIES that have failed… we need ‘Liberals’ to embrace working class policies aka…Leftist Policies instead of constantly blocking The Left.

[@StuckOnReRuN]

The nice thing is they will stop the wars and fix big ag and pharm without your bipartisanship... That's why american voted in Republicans in all three branches..

[@whoami.24601]

I think Hasan articulates the problem that so many western countries have with their labour/left-leaning parties. Like he said, if you stand for nothing, the opposition can tack any ridiculous point to you and succeed. A lot of parties equivalent to the Democratic party in the west are doing the exact same thing as the dems: constantly moving to the right to find the middle ground voter, and allowing the right to define the conversation. You need to stand for something. People want to vote for someone who fights, like was said in this discussion as well. The same thing is happening in my country, where the Labour party used to have 30-40% of the vote and now they have 17%. They have no back bone and stand for nothing, and you're not gonna bring people up to vote for you when, as Hasan said, you bring nothing to the table.

[@advisorywarning]

🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@Richard-d1y]

Why not stand for ending war? Nuclear disarming? Poverty? Why fucking trans bullshit? Why? Seriously?

[@cassandratq9301]

☝️This☝️

[@rverdi09]

Not for nothing, thats exactly what happened to the Conservative party and they were wiped out for it.

[@jackstern8738]

So it’s o for him to not support the Dem candidate in the face of a Trump presidency? I think you are missing the Forrest for the trees.

[@wickedslowAE86]

Jon, I could feel the frustration when Hassan is criticizing the lack of universal programs. You audibly sigh, sound frustrated… but this used to be you advocating for BIG BOLD Universal programs like Medicare For All. When MFA got thrown off the ticket and you slotted in behind dem party mainstream, didn’t criticize it, that’s when I stopped listening to the pod save stuff. That one moment. I heard you carry water for people that didn’t agree with what you thought was the right way and that was it for me. Have conviction and push the party rather than just channeling them.

[@andref9663]

Because it's idealistic and not realistic. Have conviction but also be strategic

[@MonolithStudiosMelbourne]

Nailed it

[@TC-uj6jc]

This won't matter to median white voter.. most of the don't like sharing resources with black people.

[@avalokiteshvara113]

​@@andref9663you gave up. Don't make others do so. You can reap the rewards regardless of your inaction dw

[@samuelrodgers2742]

@RoboticsJoe Typical liberal that can't have an ounce of introspection. The Democratic Party just being a less ambitious, diet version of the Republican Party will just keep losing. There's a reason that FDR was elected 4 times and it's not because he loved bipartisan comprimise and means testing.

[@lindsaygraves4246]

Having the starbucks cup front in center feels intentional

[@SirensxSong]

Make Hasan a regular, let me tell you - listening to him regularly is the first step

[@pootyjay69]

YES

[@chrisdistant9040]

First step towards losing weight (in the head)

[@silvialevarn1585]

He needs to be back. This episode was so good

[@upforellie]

PLEASE. This is the first Pod I've listened to in months. I love PSA, but damn they're getting out of touch

[@ZumaZoom07]

Lololol. He will only cause more infighting. He's a child

[@indianguy2276]

The more the democratic party shifts to the right, the less the voter base will feel energized to vote for them. Why vote for diet Republican when you can just vote Republican instead?

[@AM-fs1je]

Or just stay home.

[@shinnyshin7792]

It's to the point that Republicans are attacking us Dems from the left rhetorically. Obviously they're much worse policy-wise, but you have to follow politics pretty closely to know that given how much worse we are at messaging.

[@xclampazzo]

It's all good, they don't really care about winning, their consultants will still make bank, no one will get fired, the same losers will be back in 4 years to screw it up again.

[@rexx9496]

Then we'll just have 2 conservative parties then. One that hates gays and one that doesn't. But Dems did not shift to the right. Biden was further left than Obama, who himself was further left than Bill Clinton. Harris was arguable to Biden's left.

[@vger9186]

The more the Democratic Party shifts to the left the more the right will win. You care more about taking Aunt Jemima off the bottle then the toxins out of the syrup or reducing the price of the product.

[@literallyanythingelseother]

Finally a good guest on the pod again. Need more stuff like this!!

[@anastasiagill3893]

The condescension coming out around minute 24 was a huge turn-off, Jon. Everything Hasan is saying is in line with what most progressives/leftists ascribe to, it's very telling to see and hear you reaction to it.

[@davidkittle5344]

My feeling is the Dems will continue to lose until they learn to stop bringing pillows to a knife fight.

[@AM-fs1je]

Pillows & hugs.

[@shiny_x3]

They don't understand that politics is about power - who has it and what they do with it. They seem to think it's about getting along with the person trying to destroy you.

[@Dana-pq7ke]

Democrats want a winning message. Well, the winning message is understanding you have a skill to share with the country. "I see this might be improved and I know how to do it" not finding some shiny object and Hollywood elites. It's doing the right thing. It's solving problems. Believe it or not, that's why Trump won. He's listening to the working class, and reversing NAFTA. Bringing better jobs and pay back home. If that's fascism, sign me up. I'm a new red ticket voter. Bye democrats.

[@emilmedellin4525]

... except when Dems bring banned assault rifles to a pillow fight with: Bernie Sanders, Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman ... 'cause - curiously - Dems do that too.

[@evanwilliams4532]

​@@shiny_x3what's funny is Republicans feel the exact same way. Just an observation I've noticed a lot lately. Both parties constituents feel like their party comprises too much & not willing to use power on things that actually matter

[@franekkkkk]

One thing I find underrated in hasans ability to communicate: he is talking facts. Logical thinking supported by examples. He gives analysis of what’s happening first, then he talks about what we can do to make that better. Liberals on the other hand talk about bipartisanship, small business and in this interview keeping the coalition together. But why? For what? What’s the goal? Is the party itself the goal or is doing good shit the goal? Socialism gave me a way to actually understand what is going on. Not rely on my emotions and class position.

[@paragonexperience]

it's so much worse, liberals believe that corporations have the right to do whatever they want but a bit less aka only on the edge of destruction. Meanwhile republicans are the same but they want to go beyond, when both sides are saying business is good and can do no wrong, why would people support the side that's like we need to regulate business a bit... business was already defined as good, you can't walk it back.

[@Double.D.Tootss]

10000% when I've been watching Has for the last 3 years. Easy to listen to, explains it in an incredibly digestible way, and talks about what mainstream media wont

[@kul2130]

And people still manage to completely miss or deliberately avoid his clear as day points and arguments. Ngl i have no hope.

[@ahnightingale]

To the DNC: take notes. When your host is getting shit on by his audience and the guest is being praised, the host is fucking wrong and the guest is probably right. Quit ignoring the fucking base.

[@emilybarner3440]

33:57 I literally paused the vid, slammed my palm on my desk, and said 'yes' out loud here when Hassan said in response to John's question that "it's Nazi Germany". Yes, this, 10000%. This is just it. The parallels are uncanny and he's right to say it. Absolutely nailed it. I've never been able to make it long into a Hassan Piker livestream, but livestreams aren't my preferred medium. There are areas where I am very far apart from him politically, but on this comparison this we agree completely. Thanks to everyone for making this and for sharing it. Well done team.

[@micey522]

Maybe I need "politics for dummies" because his view of Republicans can be applied to Dems...both parties received major donations, & inject their morals or way of life on people

[@Saqib_hmed]

I was told hasan was radicalised fool but turns out not only dude is intelligent... He here rightfully identifies the problems and then offered policy prescriptions.. Very surprised.. Gonna check out his stuff. And dude can really communicate.. And pushed back against the host too.. To the point host conceded many times..

[@itryesitr8053]

he is radical. he supports hezbollah and china taking taiwan

[@FinnSeesGhosts]

@@itryesitr8053not true

[@FinnSeesGhosts]

Yes. He actually a degree in political sciences. He knows what he’s talking about unlike most influencers trying to get a grip on politics and saying stupid shit.

[@SchnitzelCFC]

You should definetly tune into a stream some day. He helped me examine some of my more conservative views and come to the right conclusions on my own. He's also been saying everything he said in this pod for atleast the 4 years I've been watched him.

[@itryesitr8053]

@@FinnSeesGhosts true

[@mauliksharma]

I think the message democrats need to use as a northstar is simple: universal healthcare. Simple and impacts everyone. We have to stop acting scared and just say it. If they can talk about immigrants eating cats without consequence then we can talk about universal healthcare without fear.

[@NahtShure]

Their donors won't allow that. Source: 2016 and 2020 dem primaries.

[@williamjameslehy1341]

​@@NahtShurethen make a great public show of rejecting those donors. Trump absolutely thrashed Harris, despite having *less than half* her campaign budget.

[@bobbola3]

You act like democratic politicians care about health care enough to win an election. Isn't it amazing they care less about this issue after a pandemic wiped through the world once again proving the need for universal healthcare? It's clear they have their priorities, and it isn't us.

[@nimzomitch]

​@@williamjameslehy1341But do you have any evidence to show that the Ds are able or willing to thrash those donors? I haven't seen evidence of that since at least before Clinton. I don't think they're willing. They're more comfortable losing and blaming all the wrong things and not looking in the mirror. They're beholden, and not to the likes of you or me.

[@OhioVworld]

Does universal healthcare mean working folks paying for 13 yrs olds to be castrated ? Just answer honestly?

[@cherrybumman541]

incredible pod we need more guys like hasan actually centering the working class instead of pushing the same tepid establishment dem policies

[@angelantayhua3096]

Say what you want about Hasan’s personality and other beliefs. The guy is completely right about the Democrat party.

[@blah55044]

@@angelantayhua3096Define the other beliefs. You mean being against genocide?

[@lostmyplaintext7587]

@blah55044 From a leftist perspective, he's had pretty bad takes on Ukraine even from before the start of the invasion

[@blah55044]

@@lostmyplaintext7587 My leftist perspective is that Ukraine was tricked and forced into taking part in a proxy war, with the belief instilled by the West that they could win with their support. Instead they have been used and are now in the process of being discarded, Ukraine has had its economy, population and wholesale society annihilated completely with no benefit, where they could have taken the Istanbul deal and retained neutrality. So Hasan is right.

[@PK-ex6nf]

@@lostmyplaintext7587Like?

[@hamburgerjoe4401]

Wow it's so hard to watch Lovett just not understand what Hasan is trying to say.

[@GeorgiaOverdrive]

I think deep down he understands, he’s just refusing to acknowledge that he is wrong.