The Worst Takes About Donald Trump, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris' 2024 Election

[@joec8321]

Former Dem here. Gay, non white, legal immigrant here. You guys are still in the delusional bubble, amazing. But you do you.

[@camryl13]

very mind boggling

[@victorbernard1256]

@@joec8321 you nailed it !

[@ColinMarinich]

What did these guys expect? Inflation out of control, non documented immigrants eating up social services budgets which reduces access to these services for citizens, biological men in women's sports and changerooms! A captains pick of a candidate without a primary? Which Party was the REAL THREAT to democracy? Seems the people have made that call.

[@eoinoconnell185]

DNC: Let's take a candidate who had 2% support within our own party and make her VP. Then when she runs for president people will suddenly love her. Right ?

[@krishnan1014]

Plus, we are supposed to support a sub-par, boring candidate.

[@duckypam]

I could not believe how quickly democrats embraced her

[@celesteelka]

The Onion did a piece about "which minority is taking the lead in taking democrats' blame" and I think that's incredible.

[@hutonghustler5317]

The Onion has become real life

[@silverXnoise]

I’ve been sharing the one about a neo-Nazi upset in a traditionally Klan held district.

[@duane_313]

Democrats always blame the voters, while Republicans go out of their way to give their base what they want. Democrats, on the other hand, tell their base to fall in line-or get chastised.

[@texasrefugee7888]

They did another one election results where a Nazi won over a KKK in Alabama how true😂

[@veneroso3337]

It certainly couldn't be decades of "Reagan-Inspired Neo Liberalism" started by Bill Clinton, embraced by Obama, Biden, and forced Kamala Harris to campaign on!

[@jan-ns2ye]

As a middle class, white, female working with marginalized and impoverished families, I cringe at Dems who routinely cite "the middle class" and are tone deaf to those entrenched in poverty or striving to reach middle class. Every promise of a new tax break or credit is meaningless to them . My clients don't have the band width to pursue a bureaucratic "benefit". They need immediate, tangible solutions that are easily accessible. Trump isn't gonna give them anything, but they see the Dems as equally careless, sitting on their lofty perches. I suspect GOTV efforts at our community center sent people to vote for Trump, which saddens me immensely.

[@LyndseyPowell]

Many of us dream of one day being middle class

[@jim8947]

"They need immediate, tangible solutions ..."? How about Medicaid, how about SNAP, how about the child tax credit? I don't know if those programs are easily accessible, if not, government should fix that. But if the people in poverty can't find the time or energy to learn which candidate is working to make their lives and their children's lives better, why should anyone waste time encouraging them to vote? I only have a gut feeling on this, no data, but I suspect most poor people didn't vote for Trump, they just didn't vote. Either way their lives will likely be much worse under Trump than Harris. I doubt the vote or non-vote from poor people had a material impact on this election, but if they didn't even try I have very limited sympathy.

[@bonniespeck]

To reach middle class household income, one needs to live in a two parent household and to make your dollar go farther, stay out of debt. Look at how most of the upper income households actually live. Married, very low debt and less likely to be into drugs and drinking. Speaking from experience having grown up in poverty, now considered middle class.

[@Kermit_T_Frog]

How can you have missed that train roaring down the track barreling down on you? "Lofty perches"? What does that matter in a country fast headed down the path to Nazism?

[@evankoch2575]

Trump will try to give them no tax on tips and no tax on overtime and the RINOS will make deals with the Democrats to kill it

[@Elspm]

The thing about "The economy is good!" is that none of us give a shit about GDP if it doesn't end up in our pockets, and our communities.

[@JMQA1]

Look at the Stock Market, it's all funny money but people still equate that to the economy. That is in-fact what people are talking about, if the "economy" is money is going back to people so they can make and spend more then it's a selfish answer but it's truly what people thought wouldn't happen if Harris won because she didn't sell it hard enough.

[@numericalcode]

The people who own stocks are actually happy.

[@dolliscrawford280]

It was ending up in our pockets and our communities, but it takes time and workers. New and better roads and bridges. High-speed internet connecting us to the world economy. Replacing old leaky pipes and sewer lines. Raising roads knowing that flooding will increase because global warming is here along with higher capacity run-off drains, all this takes time to build and leads to more prosperity in rural areas. History will praise Biden. Trump is set to dismantle the country and possibly the world.

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

Ibthink that's true. I also think it needs the two other entities to be done. If they are a no go on anything that will help executive orders are limited to scraps.

[@sc-xd4tm]

Right. But saying economy is priority over human rights is evil. No one was going hungry. People were being lesser product for money but they were not dead. But without human rights people are dead. So giving economy priority over basic rights is evil and God and nature will not forgive. These are the societies which get plagues and covids. I am not wishing they would come but i am just stating the fact that evilness has consequences.

[@nampyeon635]

The Daily Show put this so succinctly: "I don't really care why she lost, I care why he won."

[@lauraw.7008]

Yes.

[@kimluzzi5203]

So true.

[@godsofohio6734]

Proceed to call everyone racist.

[@elizabethayiteyfio4555]

Great starting point.

[@thematthewsextonshow]

The manosphere is a direct result of not having jon stewart through trump's 4 yrs.

[@pedrostormrage]

Here's a quote from Obama's speech in a recent rally in Georgia (the question remains unanswered, and it's something that anti-establishment alone doesn't explain): "People feel like no matter how hard they work, sometimes it feels like they're just treading water, so I get why people are looking to shake things up. What I cannot understand is why anybody would think he will shake things up in a way that is good for you, because there is absolutely no evidence that this man thinks about anybody but himself".

[@browneyedgirl6050]

Yep that's the message.

[@angelacanedit]

The democrats weren't offering real change. People aren't motivated to vote just to keep the status quo

[@shaguarbass]

My guess the answer is "any possible change is better than preserving a system that I feel keeps me down."

[@sucafrutpi]

The answer is that people DID get 4 years of Trump before and before the pandemic they were doing much better than they are now. That is the reality Democrats need to deal with. Just simply saying Trump is a bad person does not explain away the outcomes that people experienced first hand. Just declaring chocolate rations were "increased" from 4 to 3 grams is not fooling people. Democrats had 4 years after Trump and the outcomes are worse. Voters are mostly not sophisticated and do not care whose "fault" that is. Democrats need to get outcomes for their voters as quickly and effectively as Trump does if they want to win.

[@deniseatkinson7510]

@@pedrostormrage so wise. Practicing Gratitude to day for Barack Obama

[@AndySurtees]

There was "a Joe Rogan on the left" - it was Joe Rogan. Then he got kicked out of the left and was independent for a while, and now he's on the right. Same thing happened to a lot of voters.

[@RushedPhenom]

I will never understand this. What are their values? No one on the left has moved on from Medicare for all, free trade, and solving issues regarding inequities.

[@Stomperss]

Yeah, because like many voters, he went down a ton of conspiracy holes and believed all of the crap that people told him. And he never did any research of his own to actually find out if any of those things were actually true.

[@vanessamorenorosales1786]

​@@RushedPhenomI know it doesn't make much sense but different issues can be important to a person at different times I don't think anybody moved away from Medicare for all but I think after the Democratic party has now blocked any type change candidate as well as suing third parties off ballots that has turned off people because if they can't even be democratic the rest of the issues don't matter. If we want the candidate who supports med 4 all what good does it do if the DNC will be like no actually who you will vote for is Newsome.

[@penabler]

Joe Rogan got coded as right wing because it had strategic value against Bernie Sanders in that moment. We are still reaping the rewards for rat-fucking his campaign at every opportunity.

[@borandell9915]

here, here. I'm one of those. I had no choice, the party left me.

[@philippeh3904]

The worst take as usual is the media and certain democrats trying to say Kamala went “Too far left”. Absolutely ridiculous.

[@Tron08]

Still see the MAGAs in my feed saying things like "thank God we won't live in a Communist country now", and if that's the impression they got from Kamala they'll never vote for a "centrist Democrat"

[@Kermit_T_Frog]

Only 20% of Americans self identify as liberal.

[@newbe1o1]

If anything, she went too far to the right.

[@shanewilliams5150]

What do you mean Liz Cheney is basically the female Bernie Sanders

[@LowTide941]

@@shanewilliams5150lol

[@LittleFright]

Thank you Lovett for being angry about the “we will be okay-ness”. It’s a terrible thing to share with the voters and I believe it sets us back in forming the coalition that we desperately need.

[@alexandriazwarts1491]

100%.

[@tripsenderz2181]

As if you guys weren’t calling them Momala and Coach Waltz a week ago. Now you’re suprised when she treats you like toddlers😂

[@Fantomas2110]

Lol 😂 we’ll be fine

[@blaisemacpherson7637]

It's helpful to remember that ultimately we WILL be okey if we are in a state of grace. This was an awful result. People will die because of it. Ukraine will be overrun by Russia. People will lose their insurance. The United States will slip into autocracy. ICE raids will separate families. People could starve to death. But sometimes it's helpful to remember that thanks to Him and His sacrifice, death is not the end. Deportation is not the end. Autocracy is not the end. If we seek the kingdom it doesn't matter how awful things get in the end.

[@hbarz1066]

I agree broadly, and if folks were saying "don't worry, everything is gonna be fine!" that would be immensely tone deaf. But as leaders it IS their responsibility to comfort people. And as long as that's paired with a reminder and call to action, it can work.

[@HeatherMelito-Dezan]

I am definitely not interested in the “it’ll be ok” rhetoric. I want them to be pissed and to tell folks how to make it better moving forward. Not storm the capitol, but make actual change. The Dem party is doing more of the same things in their messaging that contributed to the loss.

[@CZ-PC]

This. They need to become populist

[@hutonghustler5317]

Totally agree. We lost and we lost hard! No more tweaks around the edges, we need a bold new vision and an actual reason to be excited rather than the fear of the Orange Man

[@JordanLee-pk1cb]

It will be ok in general, though. The fear mongering is what pushes moderate left people and moderates away from the left. It’s over the top and I don’t even know what the “we’re scared” means. What are people scared of?

[@thomasc8482]

yep me too - becuase if 'it'll be ok' then what exactly were the last 190 days about?

[@LURteach]

Trump had 9 years to campaign, she had 4 months . As usual , let’s start picking apart their “ we’ll be ok” message. I have no doubt we are all ready to Fight , but if she had come out guns blazing then people would have picked that apart as well. Ugh.

[@cybermort]

Bernie's criticism is 100% on point. And until the party takes it to heart, we have no hope

[@Tom-cn4cm]

You mean the guy who can't win unless he's in a liberal area? lol Let's see Bernie run and win in a swing state general election and then I'll care what he has to say.

[@stephenglover1818]

I voted for Trump but I totally agree with you. I also think getting endorsements (and being proud) from the likes of Dick Cheney was not smart. I'm assuming that also pissed off the progressives. Also what about the Arab Americans, some of them say they will never vote Democrat again ever. In fact there was a senior arab American guy for the Arab community in Michigan (can't remember his name now) that was refused entry to a Harris rally !! Imagine how pissed he and the community he represents are.

[@BlueBalledMedia]

​@@stephenglover1818 You voted for Trump but you're disgusted by the neocons? Trump is racist and a rapist, and he tried to overthrow the government. There is no one worse than Trump. The Arab Americans who voted against Dems because of Gaza, have a right to be heard, but Trump's son in law wants to sell property in Gaza and Trump wants Bibi to do worse than Biden.

[@sambotwan]

Guarantee if the DNC went with Bernie in '16 he'd be finishing his second term up. Non-establishment is what people were SCREAMING for and the DNC dropped the ball hard. Then insulted everyone for telling them they dropped it.

[@reginafris6822]

​@stephenglover1818 I'm half Arab and can honestly say that group is clueless. They wanted and raved about Harris being a war criminal and responsible for Gaza, instead of the continued bad decisions of THEIR leaders. Arafat killed Pakestine when he refused a 2 state solution in 2000. They want ALL the land back. They probably were responsible for Harris losing Michigan. They can keep voting 3rd party and see where it gets them: nowhere.

[@orthenight]

We have to stop using the phrase “the economy” and start saying “the cost of living.” That’s what folks are talking about when they say the economy is their number one priority. Their personal cost of living. Rent, groceries, property taxes, the price of their small vices literally doubling. Dan Pfeiffer said it on this very podcast that if you’re worried about the cost of the food you put on the table, you’re not concerned about democracy. Stop saying “the economy is thriving and people are just too stupid to understand it.” Stop saying “inflation is down” when what people want is deflation. Stop talking about “the economy” and “inflation” when what people are talking about is *cost of living*. I am a non-college educated white voter who lives barely above the poverty line. I live paycheck to paycheck. I feel talked down to constantly by liberal talking heads. The amount of times this podcast talks about me like I’m not listening. Like I can’t comprehend anything they’re saying because I’m too stupid to understand. I was shocked yesterday when Erin on Hysteria expressed her desire to never associate with a non-college educated voter. The amount of times Jen on MSNBC talked about me like I wasn’t watching on election night was insane. You can’t talk down to people and then ask “why aren’t they on my side?” The way I’ve been talked about since Tuesday is making me want to leave the party. It’s truly feeling more every day like this is a party for the elites and people like me, a lifelong democrat, aren’t welcome here solely because I didn’t want to take out student loan debt after spending my whole life watching my mom dodge calls from debt collectors. Also, I know these being four wealthy white men is why this podcast is successful. It’s also the reason why they will never comprehend the extent of racism and sexism in this country. They’ve never experienced it. They can’t connect the dots that the reason people listen to them is because they’re wealthy skinny cis white men and that in this country, anything else makes you unelectable. I tried in the comments of this very podcast to warn that we weren’t talking about the economy in a relatable way. I got told I was stupid. I tried to say after this country wouldn’t vote for a white woman, it was going to be harder for them to vote for a black woman. I got told I was sexist and racist. After this election, I no longer feel welcome in this space. People don’t feel heard by Democrats. They feel alienated.

[@dropsetden8978]

Come on over. Well said.

[@peggysmyth6110]

Bye

[@chebydaybor]

The people are crying for economic populism. You'd think they would have learned this lesson back in like, 2004.

[@angelacanedit]

​​@@chebydayborwell nope, and here they are, losing again to trump 🙃

[@thearchive7431]

Thank you for sharing. This is spot on. It’s an elitist podcast, carrying water for establishment democrats, in concert with other echo chambers, that tells its audience what it wants to hear, for the purpose of enriching themselves and their egos. Let’s stop being nice.

[@jahanhashemi9187]

Biden saying the economy is great pushed working class voters away. You have to show voters that you understand they are suffering economically.

[@bmj1680]

The went to a union rally and did his best to bring jobs to many states.

[@D2Mephisto]

I think this is BIG BIG true. Biden was too busy worrying about being perceived as a great President, and therefore took his eye off the ball and lost sight that many people DON'T CARE how "technically strong" the economy is when they cannot personally feel it.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

Even though people forgot about it him campaigning in 2020 on "I'll send out $2000 relief checks" then when elected sending out $1400 and going "you already received $600 checks so it equals $2000" was peak gaslighting by him and the media. It was a TERRIBLE way to start off a presidency.

[@sueprator9314]

Biden practically stood on his head. That is absurd. HATERS VOTED TO LET A VILE CON MAN CRIMINAL TREASONIST TO BE IN POWER BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE THE CRUELTY.

[@lordlogre]

Exactly like Bush #1 in 1992.

[@hutonghustler5317]

Guys I love you, but you need to be somewhat introspective and realize you are wealthy dudes who talk for a living. This party doesn’t need tweaks, it needs a revolution. We didn’t lose to an average guy, we lost to the worst candidate in the history of politics. Propose something bold please, Medicare for All, End Homelessness, AI New Deal…something!!!!!!

[@EarlyRiser71]

They won't listen. They are a part of the liberal media machine that can't be critical of the masters they serve.

[@grantc61]

Exactly. They're consumed by the ethos of marketing and crafting messages to make people "buy" their beliefs. When everything is expressed in monetary/marketing terms, you're lost to peoples' real, lived experience.

[@hoaianhnguyen1977]

Had it not been for the senate filibuster and the degrading republicans those reforms could have been achieved many years ago.

[@names_are_useless]

They're neoliberals through-and-through. They will never acknowledge Progressive Populism.

[@sir_vix]

​@@hoaianhnguyen1977but they weren't made a priority. The democrats squandered opportunities trying to reform their opposition by including them in the broad tent. Then you get opportunistic DINOs like Manchin and Sinema. Then you get Obama wasting control of both chambers. You lose the initiative to write the narrative. And then they drag you into the shit, where even if you win the wrestling match - you still come away bleeding and stinking.

[@DominantColors]

The comment that JD Vance sounds too much like a politician and was "terrible" on the podcast circuit should make you seriously question every other thing said in this podcast. A Ted Cruz or Mitt Romney style politician would not go on Theo Von and laugh about how the fentanyl crisis makes it harder for Americans to enjoy doing cocaine. They wouldn't freely and unapologetically say "fuck" and "shit". Vance excelled in the podcast space, coming across as relaxed and gregarious. If these guys can't even recognize _that_ , then they'll remain deeply confused about a lot of things.

[@BrettCoryell]

'I am not in the market for bedtime stories right now.' That perfectly encapsulated my sentiment too!

[@mirsadatalovic777]

💙

[@LizHilderbrand-w3v]

You nailed what the democrats did/didn't do without naming it. Trump validated people's anger. They feel/felt "seen" by him. Democrats kept telling us how great everything has been, but on a personal level, few of us experienced it. They unintentionally gaslighted us with a pollyanna message which just fueled the right and middle's righteous anger.

[@alexhanna2445]

and let's be clear that's what the hosts were pushing too. income inequality is one of the defining issues of our time. and these multimillionaires were telling us we were just being 'grumpy' and to be happy with $35 insuln

[@holdyourground]

ah yes, running a message of "joy" during a time when child poverty doubled. I felt like an alien when yuppies in my office were "feeling" those vibes, but now I feel I was the normal one for still feeling anger when I think of the two parties.

[@lindellalderman9082]

Bingo.

[@NikosZaidGomez]

This is just a misreading of what happened. Again, this was never about inflation, that was only the talking point. And this is patently obvious. Trump will end up with about the same number of total votes as last time, it's the democrat coalition that collapsed. The Democrats could not have made a bigger mistake in pivoting from Biden, and we see that now.

[@ellegaunt]

yep

[@muyoung1591]

To Bernie's Point, I think Democrats as a Party and the Left as a Movement need to stop assuming that the Results Will Speak for itself...rather, YOU have to Speak for the Results. It's the Tree Falling in the Forest: Yes, getting LOTS done to help the Working Class can and DOES help, but if no one knows YOU did it, then you will not get CREDIT for the Results, and credit is what you need to bank to Win Elections.

[@jamesanthony5257]

Agreed. How many times did President Joe go to an Infrastructure Project and have any of these left wing sites like this one or National msm cover it in a coordinated way? So far today I’ve seen and heard multiple Rightwing sites covering with the same talking points that NY is stopping the illegal immigrant cash cards and Hamas in begging for a ceasefire in Gaza, with all of them giving Trump the credit. These guys think it’s their job to analyze what’s happening and the other side are all part of the media strategy.

[@r3alphasigma]

💯

[@HH-gv8mx]

So Biden should’ve put his name on the stimulus checks and called them Biden bucks.

[@r3alphasigma]

@@HH-gv8mx For reals.

[@delta5297]

FFS, I've been saying for years now that Democrats need to take credit for their accomplishments.

[@hyperionthegood]

She had four years to make herself known.....she did make herself known and the majority of voters said 'fuck no'

[@shinnyshin7792]

The entire 21st century, the country has been in an anti-establishment mood wanting serious economic change. We ran stuffy, low-charisma, career-politician heirs to the previous administration in 2000, almost 2008, 2016, 2020, and 2024. And in 2004, we ran two ultrarich lawyer bros from the East Coast. We've willfully positioned ourselves as defenders of the status quo everyone hates, especially economically. And then we wonder why our message isn't resonating with people who aren't economically comfortable.

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

@@shinnyshin7792 Bravo mate. I’ve been saying this for years and been labeled a fool. 👍💯

[@cmorris9494]

Democrats also got wealthy being politicians. It's not just a republican thing.

[@TinaBUTCHER-ph1ph]

Brilliant analysis

[@Weemadaggie]

Very well said!

[@D2Mephisto]

Yes! This!

[@ericjablonske9390]

You guys are lying to yourself when you say jd vance sounds terrible in a podcast setting. Be honest. That's like saying he was terrible at the debate. Just not accurate.

[@ryanspring7649]

100%. JD Vance is an impressive guy who seems even more impressive when the bar is set absurdly low for him

[@chrispoole8630]

JD sounds awesome and cool.

[@sjangi]

JD comes across as really well-spoken, articulate, and highly intelligent, if not a bit opportunistic

[@cybersec-enthusiast]

Maybe it's a rorscharch test, to me he sounds like an out of touch psycopath.

[@JessicaSmith-yg9cn]

Agreed. While I greatly dislike JD, he comes across as very intelligent and impressive.

[@katecaccavaio790]

I'm 110% w Lovett in his anger

[@ThatGuy-bj3wy]

He's looks like he's about to cry lol. The democratic party has banished masculinity and that's why they lost.

[@apierion]

Ditto

[@dcg4mn]

I’m furious too. But you can’t tell people to wallow in despair, give up and stop trying: that ONLY helps Republicans it’s EXACTLY what they want. They were also saying this for younger people (Gen Z + Millennials are more than half! the electorate) for whom this may be only their first or second Pres election: you cannot give up and stop fighting. I’ve been fighting and marching since 1972. In democracies we are OBLIGATED to pay attention, vote, and be vigilant. To drop out is to give it all to the oligarchs.

[@excalibur2024guy]

What he said doesn't sound very productive. (More to say later.)

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

@@dcg4mn Why fight when the people running for office aren't fighting? Because that's exactly what is happening.

[@camilarodriguezdurbin6424]

There’s lots of talk about working people by liberals, but there isn’t a lot of actually talking and listening TO working people. I’m a 29 year old woman who has a masters degree, i don’t have a lot of student loan debt, I don’t live in a big city, I started working full time right after college and I am still unable to afford rent for a one bedroom apartment on my own. Much less be able to purchase a condo or home. Dems barely discussed the price of housing, they’ve given up on things like Medicare for all and other big, bold progressive policies. They can’t just promise incremental change and a return to the status quo. They need to materially improve people’s daily lives. And I don’t have faith that the donor class will allow that.

[@catherineconner9968]

This-100%!!! And it shouldn't just be-we're going to give money to young people -what about all of us suffering these horrible housing/rent prices 😢 this worries me almost the most economically (housing costs for all ages-its out of control-we need solutions and reform about these predatory crushing costs). If they would tell me about a vision for lowering housing costs across the board, solutions that sound workable-that is one of the most important issues!!!

[@MWakefield82]

You Democrats do know that big, bold progressive policies do have to be paid for right? Who will pay for Medicare for all? Democrats live in a fairytale world. Those policies sound good, but in practice they won't work or will cost American taxpayers a lot of money. It would also affect technology growth and medical capabilities growth if you go to Medicare for all. Just look at the countries with universal health care. They have to come here for specialized treatments or more technological treatments. Democrats want everything given to them and the rest of us want everyone to get up and go get it.

[@emilywinchester9310]

Can we talk about completely dismissing rural america? We have conceded the working class to the Trump echo chamber and as someone who lives in ruby red Kansas I can tell you we actually don't have too. Yes there are staunch supporters of Trump but there are a lot of centrist thinkers here, we have a democratic governor in Laura Kelly. Absolutely no candidate ever really shows up here and so many races are ran uncontested by democrats. Our policies will work for middle America, for these deeply red areas, but nobody talks to them and we have to change that. P.S. I believe Kamala did an incredible job given the time she had, we just as a country don't deserve her yet.

[@playlist5455]

--- This 1000% this ---

[@1imorton]

Yes, I agree. But we need to deliver more to rural America and working America. Bernie's coalition spoke exactly to the people we lost--we lost HIS coalition. He didn't run on identity politics. He ran on giving healthcare to everyone, to making sure there would be a fair wage for their labor, paid family leave and free tuition. He had a 70pt swing (!) among latino voters in NV.

[@stueystuey1962]

Absolutely right. The perception that the Dems are the liberal elite, college educated, woke extremists needs to be addressed and then we need to get the message out.

[@coltenite.]

The reason “nobody talks to them” is because we’ve tried. But this country is too polarized and not open to changing parties or seeing other views. Democrats have tried to tell these voters of everything we have to offer and they’ve poured millions into said areas but they never win due to the staunch political alignment. Just look at Florida, millions were poured in and we lost the senate race to a self funded billionaire Rick Scott who has no views or ideas for the working people.

[@emilywinchester9310]

@ agreed, there are a lot of Bernie voters that crossed over to Trump for this reason. I do firmly believe though that we aren’t even discussing an agenda here in rural America at all at this point. It feels very much the narrative has been given to the “us vs. them” mentality. That’s our fault, I know personally I have stayed quiet for fear of losing friendships, family or even business at my small family farm. This election cycle definitely made me realize that we have to be stronger in our convictions and go where conversations aren’t always comfortable. And as a mother of an LGBTQ human, I agree we need to find our way back to common sense instead of sound bites in our politics. I hope we WILL and CAN support these amazing communities without playing into identity politics.

[@NinaLehrman]

I think we simply don't know how to address the fact that such an enormous percentage of Americans hear nothing but lies all day every day.

[@fropdrimmer]

Including liberals who form their world view based on state department mouthpieces.

[@johnmeleleu1813]

Republicans own the media and Democrats have no where to go to get their message out so stop blaming them for messaging.

[@ntimn8r]

Get in your car and turn on any AM radio station. Its nonstop lies about the left 24/7, with no fact checking, and no counter opinion to any topic.

[@OldCleisthenes]

Exactly. Left wing propaganda and right wing propaganda keep us angry and misinformed.

[@fropdrimmer]

@@OldCleisthenes It's all right wing propaganda. There is no left wing in the US.

[@annel1347]

I'm with Jon on that we don't want to hear from the top of the ticket that we will be okay...They will be okay. The rest of us not so much.

[@ehuff8000]

I’ve been thinking that all day today. Tuesday was hope and joy. Wednesday was absolute broken grief, devastation, betrayal. Thursday was numb. Today is, it’s a privilege to be able to say, we will be ok. Or we will get through it. Our trans and lgbtqia friends, our women of reproductive age and our immigrant friends will not be ok. What do we do in the remaining two months to find a way out for them?

[@stueystuey1962]

Of course WE will be OK. This loss was miniscule compared to at least 4 losses since 1972. Within 2 years maybe less WE will bring our compatriot back into the fold and we'll on our way to reshaping effort.

[@scarletsletter4466]

POTUS does not have an appreciable effect on most of our lives, unless you work in govt/ regulatory

[@LittleRockVol]

Exactly

[@christineg3905]

Joe Rogan was the left’s microphone. The Dems messed it up tragically. We feel totally let down by the Dems - I was a Bernie lover in 2016 as he spoke to normal people in a real way! Held my breath to vote for Clinton and Biden because of Trump. Stop choosing our candidates and let the people choose! And for God’s sake don’t talk to us like children! You shouldn’t call anyone antivaxxers. We need to explain the truth that corruption happens and make it make sense. Give people grace, don’t criticize.

[@OTFStudios]

the biggest problem facing politics in America is misinformation. When lies are embraced as truth, how do you fight against that?

[@Chudchannel3]

No

[@HeavenOnEarthTogether]

HEY EVERYONE - LOOK AT RAW NUMBERS the SELL - we all voted for Trump or stayed home and fewer voted in 2024 than 2020 How many registered? How Many Voted? How many registered in last 6 months voted? cause you just registered hundreds of thousands and they all forgot? Stayed Home? Or voted for Trump? - never trumpers - Reagan Republican - Save Democracy vote - women voters - irritated Hispanics - all the regular democrats who hated Trump the first time and never want that again PLUS the HOLY VUCK NO DICTATOR VOTE we all just stayed home or was so unhappy about the high prices we forgot and voted for trump??? LET ME SMOKE A JOINT AND SELL ME THAT CHOCOLATE COVERED B*ll AGAIN!!! not!! DONT BUY THE BULL!!!

[@russelld2925]

Misinformation is on all sides. Most of what you believe about Donald Trump is misinformation. Fine people on both sides. Making fun of a handicapped reporter. Collusion with Russia. Wants to execute Liz Cheney. Will be a bloodbath if he loses. And on and on and on. All of the biggest political attacks against Donald Trump is based on misinformation. If you truly care about misinformation you should care about misinformation you are consuming, I can say this as someone who hates Trump and never has voted for him. But I truly care about misinformation and try to recognize that information that confirms my priors is the information I should be most skeptical of.

[@John18044]

Look at Finland. They teach children how to identity propaganda. We need to reform the entire education system. It’s outdated. I went through high school and university googling everything and copying the answers from online. My engineering degree does not reflect my intelligence. I easily gamed the system.

[@hargwaynegegziabhre8044]

So, so true

[@FaithTrustandPixieDust89]

Dan’s hopeless and exhausted facial expression is SO all of us this week 😞💔

[@LaurenPatterson-z1c]

😵‍💫

[@lemonsasa]

I literally took a pic of him and sent it to my friend saying I am Dan

[@HeftyHalfling]

He realizes that he and the other guys know nothing. They've spent hundreds of hours talking about how to rearrange the Titanic's furniture more strategically.

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

@@HeftyHalfling Yep

[@MikeyGlazer]

@@lemonsasaI thought Dan's stoneface on Wednesday was the nadir. Nope Still here

[@stateofchelsea]

dan is so real. no laptop, cozy sweatshirt, good takes

[@MrE5785]

Agree and he's most in tune with what happens outside the echo chamber

[@LowTide941]

Agreed.

[@simmmoo]

He is the best

[@laluna5177]

​@@MrE5785 I would say Tommy too

[@FaithTrustandPixieDust89]

He’s the best Pod Boy IMO

[@nwChicago47]

Someone give Dan Pfeiffer a hug

[@joannesterling7905]

Yup

[@bitchenboutique6953]

I volunteer as tribute

[@paulpoenicke5642]

Dude looks awful. Feel for him.

[@vepr_157]

@@paulpoenicke5642He does look terrible. Likely the result of decades of deceit coming to fruition. He deserves no sympathy.

[@jenniferyuma9620]

Poor Dan.. I haven't been able to stop looking at this face this whole interview. That man is exhausted, and he does NOT wanna talk about this - and you know what .. Millions of people and I can all relate to this after fighting so hard. I'm sure they're all feeling like that, Dan just physically embodies all of this right now in his energy. I appreciate and love this pod so much, they really bring me such comfort and even though we're all tired, they're still doing the work and I will always appreciate them for that.

[@dessaalverdine1136]

As a person in Florida, I don't want to hear "we're gonna be okay" when women are literally dying in parking lots. If I get pregnant, I might not survive due to Trump era politics.

[@hoaianhnguyen1977]

A person jn the position as VP Harris, there is strength in her saying that we will be okay - she is probably the one who knows deeply well the dangers ahead, but she also knows the country needs to be level-headed in the times ahead and not giving up. I admire every single word she had said. The fear we know to be true is present in her trembling voice. We need to come together, and because of that, we will be okay!❤

[@gridgod72]

Ask yourself why Clinton Obama or Biden didn't make roe into federal law...each one could have and didn't... weird don't you think? 8:13

[@dillon4060]

My red state just amended our constitution to include abortion rights, which required the support of a lot of Trump voters.

[@gosling47]

I agree. They didn’t make Roe a federal law…because it did not have an effect on their lives. Related to this is the fact that just because something is legal, everyone doesn’t particularly like or side with the law. I’m a white woman, hired into the tech industry 40 years go by Affirmative Action. I was very aware that most men did not agree with that law. Same with gay rights, trans… so now we have real proof that’s true. Look at the election numbers.

[@trevinbeattie4888]

​@@gridgod72The answer to that should be obvious: the Senate filibuster has blocked any abortion-related legistlation (in either direction) from being voted on ever since Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973.

[@duckypam]

From the people screaming democracy - why are you trying to resist the will of the people if you believe in pure democracy? Let Trump do what he was elected to do

[@asf8648]

I really like the point in Kamala Harris's speech where she said "this sucks" because that feels like the truth and not the pr version of her feelings

[@stephenglover1818]

Perhaps if she had told the truth during her campaign she would have done better

[@edwardwilliams4602]

​@@stephenglover1818What truth wasn't she telling?

[@stephenglover1818]

@@edwardwilliams4602 the current state of the economy, who really created the border crisis and the truth about what she stands for. To point out the failings and mistakes of the Biden admin and to convey what she would do differently. To recognise the pains of black men in their pocket book. To recognise the wishes of Latinos over the border. Not run a campaign solely on Trump and abortion rights. And for the Democrat Party and Media, their biggest mistake was to not be honest about Biden's cognitive decline,. Get yourself a decent candidate that can beat Trump. Shall I continue ??

[@stephenglover1818]

@edwardwilliams4602 I wrote you a huge reply but it's been deleted

[@txnmia8613]

​@@stephenglover1818user error

[@Fred-if5ke]

Lovett you are right on. It’s not going to be okay!

[@timothycarson5127]

It's going to be awesome.

[@heptacon]

@@timothycarson5127 yeah bro i love recessions

[@jasonwhite6463]

Yeah, but what are Harris and Biden supposed to say? "You voted for a serial liar and fraudster OR you stayed home so Good Luck!"

[@hatbpto5180]

No matter who you voted for, you need to start TODAY making yourself more valuable to your employer. Such as working through lunch, staying late without pay, coming in to work for free on weekends. It's going to be a competition, especially in small companies, to not be the one to be laid off once the effects of the tariffs start to be felt. There's a chance that people around Trump will try to convince him not to go through with them, but with Musk in the mix, I'm not very hopeful. See you all in a year, but hopefully not in the unemployment line.

[@jasonwhite6463]

@hatbpto5180 That's called slavery. You can show your value at work without proving your willingness to be exploited.

[@FlyoverUrbanist]

Working class voters: Our lives aren't getting better and our communities are in economic distress. Democrats: You're wrong, vote for us. Genius. Absolutely genius.

[@sarge5000]

Part of the reason they feel that way is a misinformation sphere they live in. They are told 24/7 that their lives are terrible, the economy sucks, America is trash, etc. This goes beyond mere messaging. Dems will need to find a way to break into these spheres to get voters back, or motivate them enough to vote again

[@spacegirloz]

Exactly.

[@Lib4life-t3n]

So working class votes for Hitler? No distress excuses fascism! Stop making excuses for the "working class"!

[@brucebowman9087]

"Do the Trump people know something we don't know about how effective that ad is?" LOL, Yes they did, and you still don't get it.

[@mmontoya26]

Thanks!

[@alexhanna2445]

I’m glad to see the comments being on the right side of this and saying that dems need to start listening to Bernie and AOC and the rest of the Democratic socialists and push for real economic reform and I hope the Democratic Party is listening (including these hosts)

[@Kimbee-tl9fm]

thats is an interesting take give how many progressives or dem socialists either dont win or only get to serve one term. its not a winning platform. Harris talked about going after price gouging...which is real and a downside of capitalism and folks turned that into she wants price controls!! As long as society keeps using wealth to determine who is deserving of good things, and who is SOL, we will be stuck exactly where we are. Lastly we have to stop expecting a perfect message or the perfect messenger. 71 million people supported some one who can barely stand up straight or finish a sentence. Van Jones said it best she had to be flawless...and no human being will meet that standard. Heck, Some folks even consider Jesus to be a woke liberal coward who should be dismissed!

[@VV-er3zg]

Yeah, Latinos won’t vote for that lmao

[@dribrom]

The main problem with the Democratic party is that it's a center-right wing party. If you want to win the working class you have to become more social democrat and less bourgeois. You will have to focus allot on strengthening the unions.

[@Conway773]

? Did you not hear her policies? She was leaning social democrat. Perhaps that actually hindered her even though her policies would have really helped the middle class. I don’t understand this country at all.

[@TinyLokiGaming]

​@Conway773 nope, we didn't hear it and neither did the other 15 million who didn't vote. Policies don't make up for 0 rhetoric

[@bretthake7713]

@@Conway773 "strongest military in the world" and "billions to Israel for ge*ocide" is not "leaning social Dem"

[@angelacanedit]

No one who wants change is motivated by going out and voting for the status quo. Insane to me that these people don't understand that

[@TexasRoadTrip123]

Dems need to focus on non-college working class voters of all races & ethnicities. These voters have a different set of concerns and values. Offer a system that can give ordinary people more control over their lives economically that makes them feel they are being heard culturally. Defend the interests and honor the values of ordinary Americans. - Timothy Shenk

[@cedricbethea358]

Regarding the 5:00 mark, In fairness, most Democrats would never vote for a women if she was a Republican. Stop smearing the voters for their personal perspectives.

[@michaelyerushalmi6924]

When Democrats stick to carefully crafted messages, it can feel scripted and detached. Trump changed the political landscape because he taps directly into raw emotions-he’s reactive, unfiltered, and says things in the moment. Voters resonate with this because it reflects a genuine, immediate reaction rather than a polished response. People want leaders who reflect their frustrations and joys in real time; it’s about seeing ourselves in our leaders, and feeling their authenticity rather than watching them play it safe.

[@angelacanedit]

Completely agree. The american people are tired of politicians and the status quo and democrats keep running candidates that are bad at speaking off the cuff and overprepare.

[@levi1929]

In short: Idiots respond to idiocy and label it authenticity.

[@michaelyerushalmi6924]

@@levi1929 Yes. And it shows in the exit polling. More college educated people voted for Kamala Harris than Trump. Even White college educated people voted for Harris.

[@Tcb0835]

​@@levi1929Well said 👏

[@SupahGeck]

​@@levi1929 sure man but this is America, everyone is an idiot. You can talk down to them or we can figure out what it takes to get their vote. There's some we can't get, the conspiracy pilled are often too far gone, but there are plenty of people who rather than stupid, are just simply uninformed. And honestly, why should they be? The American political system is incredibly unresponsive to the will of the people, the only things that ever seem to get done help the 1%. People barely tune in because it really doesn't matter, until the election comes up and we end up here. But spending the next four years sneering and jeering instead of doing the work to build a bigger coalition is how we lose AGAIN.

[@pame4248]

Appreciate what Lovett said at the start about the concession speech. It's subjective, I know, but when my parents tell me it's going to be okay when it's absolutely not, I am not comforted. And I am not comforted by Democrats who retreat from a more vocal, proactive front to useless platitudes.

[@MrGgabber]

Do you ever get the feeling like you're being tricked and even Democrats know that Trump isn't sending the military after his opposition?

[@ehuff8000]

Same, same, same

[@Elspm]

Yup, validation is more important to me than putting a brave face on shit.

[@Kimbee-tl9fm]

dont disagree, yet expecting Harris to give a speech telling everyone to despair, move to Canada or keep your money in mattresses, or what ever more realistic words is well kinda silly. Harris said very clearly what a Trump presidency would bring. We all knew and she knew we all knew. She lost and all she can tell you is good luck, stay safe which is what that message was. And eventually it will be ok...probably not in your lifetime, maybe not in this century, but a new norm will emerge. In the future, maybe there will be less people and the feeling of scarcity wont feel so overwhelming. Who knows. But Harris gave us a chance to get off this time line and she will have nothing but my gratitude

[@MrGgabber]

@@pame4248 do you ever think that maybe you're being tricked with hyperbole? Like does this ever occur to you?

[@gbaran7991]

This show needs guests from outside the bubble. All of the hosts have the same perspective.

[@zachalexander3503]

This show is 100% part of the MSNBC echo chamber problem.

[@IceAintNice]

I almost agree. I feel as if Tommy pushes back on the others.

[@brie1112]

An excellent point. Def needs another perspective

[@jahanhashemi9187]

Yeah they really need a working class perspective on the pod, and to be more critical of the democratic party's shortcomings throughout the election cycle.

[@priscillamarsh4623]

@@jahanhashemi9187I doubt working class people have much time to be appearing on podcasts

[@MrStevenvb12]

She didn’t lose because of her race or gender. She lost because she was a bad candidate, she couldn’t lay out how she was going to pay her program.

[@MatthewChauta]

The lesson to learn is to say "F*** you " back. And the only way to do that is to have a candidate that genuinely believes in progressive policies and doesn't apologize to moderates for it.

[@dennisd3258]

Exactly wrong

[@willboler830]

Agree. Democrats don't know how to fight, just capitulate and look weak and sleezy.

[@TrU_homie]

@@dennisd3258no he’s right

[@Inressa]

other way around, liberalism needs to become cool and progressives need ejected from the democrat party, they anchor the party in issues that turn off the independents and all the alt-media/trad-media progressives are the most ardent Democrat candidate haters and they're never sated by who we nominate

[@evankuo2578]

So based. I hope this makes Dems realize the neolib status quo is a losing stance and go progressive

[@kellyhenry8914]

Wisdom from Iowa: There were people here who still thought Joe was on the ballot. People paid zero attention to most of what you talk about. But the trans thing worked because of right wing talk radio, which is very very popular. People here are living paycheck to paycheck. They "think" the economy is bad and that is the way they voted.

[@SRF_1031]

Yes. Dwindling savings, struggling to pay mortgage, worried abt feeding my children & haven't gotten a raise since March 2021. But that's only what I "think" is happening. Good luck pulling ppl like me back to leaning left.

[@names_are_useless]

Democrats should let the Progressives take the wheel. Tell them to focus their anger away from Trans and Immigrants (who do NOT control the Economy) over to the CAPITALIST CLASS! DNC are feckless to do so because the Capitalists pay their donors.

[@kellyhenry8914]

@@SRF_1031 I meant they are right to think that because it is their reality. The Dems have become too elitist and forget about the working class like us. I voted for Harris but most of my neighbors did not.

[@SRF_1031]

@@kellyhenry8914 My apologies. The quotes came off as if to trying to mock but I shouldn't have assumed.

[@TempaHull]

@@kellyhenry8914 Sadly, her policies would have made life better for them. His will not.

[@terrynicholetti]

Tommy thank you for what you said. I'm very angry that after she gave everything she had for us, she gave a perfect concession speech and it's petty to criticize her at this time. And thank you for the comments about blaming.

[@cappm4201]

I have not one word against her, She did everything that could have been done in the situation her boss put her in and the constraints he put on her. It was GGJoe all along.

[@maryahhaidery7986]

Same. You have proved time and time again to be my favorite PSA host. ❤

[@darrahhopper6437]

@@cappm4201 Absolutely, if he had lost in 2020 we would not be in this situation.

[@spacegirloz]

seriously? until you can see that she WAS a terrible candidate who performed terribly, you wont make any headway in understanding what happened.

[@darrahhopper6437]

@@spacegirloz LMFAO, but seriously, Daniel Ortega has a place for you in his government. I've met him, he's whip smart. You will love working with him.

[@quietreason8679]

Dan says there are two issues, what we say and how we say it. I would add a third: Do we MEAN what we say? It's very hard to convey our message authentically if we don't actually believe in it. As an example, Lovett brought up Lina Khan and the DoJ antitrust work. Why didn't she run on those things? They're great answers to price-gouging, but she couldn't run on it because she took money from billionaire donors who want Lina Khan gone and the DoJ antitrust division reigned in. If we truly mean that we want to do what's best for the little guy, let's stop taking the big guy's money and do his bidding.

[@ehuff8000]

It’s from a place of privilege that some of us are able to say, “take time to self-care, then start fighting again”. None of the folks in the threatened groups will have that option. I’m weeping for my friends with trans kids, I’m weeping for my friends in lgbtqia marriages, I’m absolutely weeping for my undocumented friends.

[@darrahhopper6437]

What do you think I am planning on fighting for? I am planning on fighting to make safe space for my friends who are more vulnerable than me (I am a disabled white woman living at the poverty level on Social Security, but still have privilege I can use.)

[@MrGgabber]

@@ehuff8000 or they just know they were lying to you and all your intersectional buddies are going to be fine.

[@marilynkarwoski1586]

- you're forgetting all the work you've put in, pls don't ever think it wasn't worth it. they are still on, Meidas Touch, too, BTC, too, & others i can't name right now - they're still on, i can't hang it up. I have to keep going. All because of you all. I wish all of my fellow citizens who did such a stupid thing didn't do it, but i'll be danged if the stupidity wins - with all of you stlll energetic, laughing & keeping old timers, like me, going & going - age 77, Soc Sec, Medicare recipient, HUD senior Section 8 resident, my kids do everything they can possibly do for me but to maintain we need the gov't, but to maintain even with the gov't we need you all, i can't hang it up - you're still having fun - so we will, too

[@Charla2smart]

Sorry. BW here, 92% voted for Harris. I’m resting.

[@kristenluevanos3048]

This

[@willrelf1377]

Any post-election analysis needs to be class and material-based. And the left moving forward need to be organising and encouraging people to join unions.

[@frankiethefish73]

About 95% of my employees are members of a union. I would bet every single one of them either didn't vote or voted for Trump.

[@SupahGeck]

​@frankiethefish73 that's just proof that the Dems are no longer seen as the party of the working class. Their economic messaging is weak, and most of the policy proposals, while still a step in the right direction, are a lot of wonky tinkering around the edges instead of the massively popular universal programs. Run on Free Healthcare and Raising Wages and tons of union folks would come along.

[@videoguy3110]

@@frankiethefish73 So that should tell you that the Harris campaign did not speak to their class and material interests. (even if the policy positions were better for them)

[@lcg3092]

​@@frankiethefish73 Great that they are in an union, love to see those numbers country wide.

[@arispiesberger8038]

@@frankiethefish73 Regardless, we gotta defend unions against corporate interests. Unions are crucial going forward

[@pfeilspitze]

"Front of the classroom kid who studied for the wrong test" is a great take. Most of the class doesn't like that kid.

[@amitparmar3560]

She was DEI hire, she didn't have any real policy. Thats why she was struggling to communicate any policy efficiently. If Primaries were held she would have lost for sure, even 2020 she was pathetic.

[@jameslingenfelter5379]

"I find the, "We're gonna be OK" pretty insulting and patronizing, to be honest" THANK YOU - I dont have close friends that follow politics as closely as I do and this point has been driving me crazy. I was practically enraged after listening to both that there was NO MENTIONING of starting to rally and prep for a resistance, even indirectly. They felt completely boilerplate and phoned in. For those of us legitimately concerned about the destruction that is inevitable from the incoming administration, even a wink or a nod to that vein would've gone a long way in boosting my morale. I'm assuming people smarter than I had reasons to NOT do this, but thank you guys for your hard work and in this specific instance, validating my feelings that had me feeling like I was just crazy.

[@christinem9183]

We all knew Dems would never fight back. They literally never do. Weak, timid & passive people elected Biden because he was Vichy. There is no "resistance," only fascists & weak fearful others.

[@TerryLang-fy9jt]

Encouraging news from California and New York governors about plans for fight against Trump abuses through legal action, and hopefully other things. I find that a comforting hope.

[@cassiethomas3950]

Washington too! Our newly elected governor, former AG Bob Ferguson is ready for Trump!

[@AlTarif]

🤣

[@conorsandin6555]

It will literally not be okay.

[@johnwhite7218]

Thank you so much for telling me what I should or shouldn’t say, I’d hate to police language!

[@joanschmidt5522]

How can we run against lies and disinformation? So many people in my small community voted for Trump because they believed the lies.

[@createallow3126]

Yes, we are fighting against a psychological contagion. It's no small thing.

[@tarheel-336]

right wing dominates online, social media pounding their talking points thru. The real left, not far left has virtually no voice online. We let the right define us to the mass public, why u think “open borders, woke, cancel culture, defund police, trans kids” etc is everywhere online. We are fighting with a water gun v their real gun. Its a problem 😢

[@admiralrooster]

By listening and focusing on those needs. I hate the term identity politics but thats how they feel, and failing to address that and double down doesn't work. But those double down issues can be addressed for the most part by tackling head on the daily concerns of working people. People are looking to blame people cos they feel shitty. We have to stop making people feel that way.

[@draunt7]

With the truth. The real truth. What are all conspiracy theorists claiming to know? The truth.

[@feyd2black]

We also live in a world where the phrase “Did Joe Biden drop out?” was a trending search term on Election Day. We are NOT reaching people

[@cathleenalexanderlisw-s4230]

OMG LOVETT. YESS. We are DEFINITELY not gonna be ok. Stop. Stop being so nice and clueless. You will be ok. But a lot of people won’t.

[@davidgeorgemorin]

The Vance/Walz debate was a great example of the Democratic ticket failing to differentiate from Biden. Vance called the Biden administration the Harris administration and Walz just went with it as he chose to give Harris credit for successes rather than explain the more complicated truth that the Vice President isn't really in charge of anything except tie-breaking in the Senate

[@SupahGeck]

The vice president doesn't do anything but spending time explaining that just sounds like a cop out. Instead Walz should have talked up the new bold policy stuff they were trying to get done, but that would require Kamala making promises the party donors didn't want her to keep.

[@blondelp8451]

No. Dems did make one big mistake: they didn't broadcast Biden's and Kamala's achievements loud enough for people to hear, to understand and to accept. You don't need to distance Kamala from Biden. You need to show off their achievements in public. I remember seeing many people online saying Biden's economy was a mess. I had to educate them with actual data to show that Biden's economy was far better than Trump's. But I could only do so little online. Many regular people don't surf online to read political comments. They need other ways to get the correct information. Dems obviously haven't done enough work to get the important messages to them.

[@michellerahrig2320]

​@@SupahGeckIt really wouldn't matter what anyone did she would never have gotten elected even if she won popular vote she never would have gotten the electoral vote. There are 2 people that will never be president that is Bernie Sanders or a woman no matter qualifications or race. It's the sad country we live in. Women have always been below men and I guess it's gonna stay that way. No one wants change for real they just like talking about it.

[@franjkav]

@@SupahGeckit did matter though. Republicans were trying to fully pin Bidens presidency on her so she’d fail. Right wingers have been saying “Harris/Biden” since before the debate to further pin all the blame on her

[@scarletsletter4466]

@@michellerahrig2320I understand feeling this way. I have long said that the first woman POTUS will probably have (1) military background so she can’t be accused of weakness or discredited on foreign policy. &/ or (2) come from the center-right, so she can get the vote across political spectrum. A woman who’s a SF leftist with no military experience & has won no national election is a tough sell for most of the US

[@markfregly4148]

You didnt abandon classes, you didnt listen. You missed hearing us about ANY ISSUES. Green policies, drilling, inflation, constant lying, trans rights (everyone already has rights) youre WRONG substantly. And you dont get this? Even now?

[@boomerbutler7569]

Dan needs to be a political strategist for whoever is put forward in 2028. I appreciate his levelheaded takes and calm demeanor.

[@michaeldonovan7522]

lol none of these guys should be anywhere near politics ever again they created this hell

[@4Wayee]

Clearly the voters are to blame for not understanding how amazingly wonderful this administration was /s

[@Matein13]

Have all these workers with 3 jobs who can't afford rent and food SEEN the stock market?

[@PHPyme]

Your country is sick people. We who live on the outside can see it, but you can't. The majority of Americans voted for Trump not for what he would do for them, but for the cruelty and suffering that he would inflict on the people they don't like. That is sick! Apparently, immigrants and trans people; less than 1% of your population were at the top of that list. You are in a post-political period, Pod Save America will be lucky to still be in business by '26. There will be no dissension in the Trump regime, the 1st Amendment will be the first to fall. This is the most naive podcast in the world right now. The survival of democracy is a more important issue right now than reading the tea leaves on why the Democrats lost. Hate won, and half the country could care less. How did America get so sick? Can you tell me?

[@Vaeldarg]

It's more that they can only blame themselves when they learn that Trump isn't the reason his first term started well economically. And that what he has said he plans to do is all things that destroy economies, not build them. Get ready to be "trickle-down"ed on.

[@portiacarmichael6814]

Dan, i feel the same. Sending you a virtual hug because i need one too. Thanks Lovett for speaking the words i to want to say. Shameful America

[@tracyschaub1187]

Totally agree💙

[@kerryobrien71]

This panel/democrats still dont get it. The average person cares about the average daily challanges, they dont care for labels nor being given labels because they dont want to agree with strongly left ideology and cultural war. Get back to the basics in messaging and policy. Dont use blame and name calling to those who dont adree with you.

[@dylanreece7991]

It’s so simple and so briefly mentioned here. The economy sucks and people like Paul Krugman and the Dem strategists said, no it’s actually fine it’s a matter of perception. No it’s a reality and that was an infuriating stance to take and is why we lost.

[@tiktokexposed898]

the economy is in a good place. dems need to get better at selling it

[@schmitthole]

Agreed. The biggest factor in this election were those that are not politically engaged, but were negatively impacted *personally* (regardless of what national statistics may represent), voting against the incumbent party, and instead for "change". Trump will have gained about 4-5 million votes wheres Democrats lost near the same amount compared to last election. It's not going to come down to "campaigning", for these people. Political rhetoric is just fuzz to so many people. Many people flip red/blue because they don't have any loyalty to such. They don't attribute things to either, but want a "switch" when they feel distressed. This is the very fault of partisanship that focused so much on party. People will just vote "the opposite".

[@juliecolard2857]

I’m a veteran that had a high top secret clearance. It blows my mind 🤯 that a convicted felon could even run for president!! Anyone else in this country could not even get any clearance!

[@TinaBUTCHER-ph1ph]

Brit here. He's already shown our military secrets to his friends. And I'm told to 'keep your nose out of US politics, it's nothing to do with you'. Actually it's EVERYTHING to do with me given Trump's transactional nature and open love of Putin.

[@Eriugena8]

it's not just him, he pushed through hundreds of shady clearances last time. The whistleblower who exposed that should have been on the campaign trail this time. And i wish i could remember her name. A real life hero.

[@alabasta02]

@@Eriugena8Fiona Hill?

[@dragoaus]

He was just acquitted by biggest jury in the country

[@cappm4201]

Constitutionally He can't be president, so there is that. Honestly I dunno if the constitution means anything anymore, when someone who is clearly disqualified by plain language is allowed to run and will be sworn in. It's like saying someone who was born in Canada can run for president because it's close enough.

[@proteinaggie]

A few points I think that were missed: 1) Y'all owe Dean Phillips an apology. He started the process way too late, but he was absolutely right about President Biden and the lack of a real primary. 2) Democrats haven't engaged in a real primary since President Obama's first run. The run way was cleared for Secretary Clinton in 2016, for President Biden in 2020, and Vice President Kamala was the 2024 candidate overnight. For a party concerned about the process of democracy, the Democrats have done very little of it in the last decade. I've had many discussions about Democratic elites choosing their candidate by fiat and expecting everyone to fall into line. A real honest to god primary this cycle would have made a huge difference. Where would we be if Whitmer or Shapiro had run on kitchen table issues?

[@onebadscientist]

yup, exactly why Hillary lost

[@gypsylee333]

JD was amazing on Rogan and in his debate, that is super mega ultra cope trying to say he's bad in that format.

[@MoeMoe0079]

Lovett nailed what could be done differently. She had no time and he couldve stepped down sooner. 💯 Nailed it.

[@pastramiking]

Well, if they actually required debates in the primary then we would have known earlier. The Democrats are not democratic.

[@ssshar2176]

@@pastramikingthe Republican primary was a joke. It was a coronation and trump NEVER debates a single candidate.

[@EarlyRiser71]

Umm, no. Tons of media and people around Biden knew he was mentally unfit, but hid it. Of course a guy like Biden isn't gonna step down. People hid it because they loved their roles. People like Pelosi and Schumer (and all the donors) should be held accountable.

[@thewittyusername]

In what little "time" she had she ran a center right campaign that alienated progressive and working class voters. She spent precious "time" holding hands with the Cheney'a ffs.

[@rhysholdaway]

Kind of shocked no one suggested that the Democrats need to change their policies. Things like universal healthcare or other progressive policies.

[@obgfoster]

They have pivoted to the center but don't talk about it enough. Biden imposed some tariffs. The border bill was centrist. Talking about insulin when only a tiny portion of the population is insulin-dependent was stupid. Let's talk about Pulmicort, which is prescribed for emphysema (a poor person's disease), which went from $200/month to $300/month and which NO Part D policy covers. Or increasing the number of rehabs for the poor people who got hooked on meth & heroin in the past decade. I want to hear about that!

[@nikig2382]

Hillary famously tried to push universal healthcare in the 90s and it failed. Can’t imagine it would pass in today’s political climate (without control of both houses). It would be a good policy to campaign on but idk how realistic it is.

[@somuchtosay]

Please don't blame. This was 30+ years in the making, we need to get the time scale right. I think it's a matter of the democratic party being more open to more people. Ranked choice voting held over a shorter time. Show the people how much money THEY have taken out of "politics" and try to show how much the GOP spends in comparison. Have those two numbers and publish them. You get more voices, however weird they might be, if they're voicing their opinion, let's appeal in some way. I think this also goes back to medicare for all. The people know insurance companies are awful to deal with. Seriously, let's listen to Bernie. You guys NEED to stop avoiding this guy's message. Also, Biden neeeeeds to unseal EVERYTHING they have on Trump and everyone else. Put so many conspiracy theories to rest. Edit to add I commented before I heard the fact that Rogan endorsed Bernie. So I guess we agree in a sense?

[@jdowg84]

I think this was 2020 in the making. Incumbents everywhere are getting smoked by the economic impact of COVID.

[@bryanmoberg8408]

my VERY blue state voted on ranked choice voting this year, it failed badly because it was opposed by both parties, neither of which want us to have that power. Ranked choice is the answer, but it's going to be an uphill battle to get it.

[@thieveslikeus1985]

22:50 Can we discuss the continued fall out about the role money played in the Harris campaign please? Including alienating working people by paying millions for bogus “endorsements” from celebrities. In comparison, Trump didn’t pay a cent to the likes of Joe Rogan. And $100k to build a set for Call Me Daddy? Really?

[@siddharthkapoor4182]

I’m sorry but working people aren’t turned off by dems because of vibes. Not all working class people benefitted from student debt relief, or capped pricing for drugs. Dems keep going for policies that hit niche groups of people and not things that are universally popular or needed. Like raising the minimum wage, or affordable education for every single person…

[@robertafalk]

We were NOT wrong. Truth was drowned in an ocean of lies and propaganda. How do we address THAT mess?

[@TinaBUTCHER-ph1ph]

By not parachuting in a person with a nasal whine and the charisma of a squashed sultana

[@christyann1201]

I agree and it doesn’t get any attention. He basically has a huge propaganda network on tv and social media.

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

create your own...? it's not rocket science here.

[@bryanmoberg8408]

it was both. The lies obscured our message. But our message was also bad, and ignored some critical needs of the people we were trying to win over. You have to fix both issues.

[@AlTarif]

Lool you have every network but Fox, and KZbin and twitter is available to all. You are so far gone.

[@neilchace1858]

There are three people that you didn't mention that I think need a lot of blame: 1. Merrick Garland for caring more about the perception of non-partisanship than actual justice as Attorney General. 2-3. Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema for ensuring that democrats got nothing substantive done during the democratic trifecta from 2020-2022. I don't think we should be talking about campaigns- we should be talking about effective governance, and how to make sure democrats actually deliver on their broadly popular agenda.

[@MrBsbotto]

You nailed it, nell! How does Garland skate on his many years of ZERO effectiveness?! There were many ways he could have pursued trump, but he clung to his pipe smoking professor routine. What a POS! I hope Sinema and Manchin are harassed to their dying day for their duplicity.

[@michellerahrig2320]

Don't forget McConnell

[@capdyn735]

Also McConnel deserves blame (apart from the standard blame he deserves). He had a chance to end Trumpism during the second impeachment, which he agreed with, but instead did the worst case of jury nullification in history.

[@scarletsletter4466]

😂 why would you blame McConnell for dem failures? Y’all know he’s GOP, right?

[@capdyn735]

​@@scarletsletter4466 We're not blaming him for Dem failures, we're blaming him for not doing what was right by standing by what he said "Former President Trump’s actions preceding the riot were a disgraceful dereliction of duty." McConnell let Trump continue his grip on the GOP by not voting to bar him ineligible to hold office in the United States again. That would've made room for younger candidates such as DeSantis, Youngkin, Haley, Ramaswamy, Vance, etc., ones that didn't, as McConnel put it, engage in 'unconscionable behaviour'. However, for the loss, that is Biden's fault in my opinion, specifically for running for a second term and preventing any democratic candidate time to succeed him. Some minor blame can directed at Manchin & Sinema for sabotaging the economic agenda that was designed to help people. Garland was Biden's choice so that is another fault of Biden's.

[@drewnes64]

"She did better where she campainged harder" Yeaaah... because that is already leaning towards her pretty hard right? The areas she didn't campaign were because it wasn't going to go well anyways.

[@waynimation]

Adam Schiff should have handed the evidence from the Jan 6th committee to the DOJ as soon as they found it. I was so confused at the time but now I'm just pissed at Adam Schiff.

[@TheWassaw123]

There was no evidence thst wouldn’t have gotten Dems in power in trouble that’s way it wasn’t handed over

[@dianadavis5002]

I'm pissed at Garland. He could have done something sooner. But he had no spine

[@mattklinghamer370]

DOJ could have done their own investigation sooner or coordinated with the committee. Lot of balls were dropped.

[@waynimation]

@mattklinghamer370 agree, this was a failure on every level.

[@stanbyme7874]

@@mattklinghamer370AbsoFekkinLutely.

[@BeatingHeartland]

"he called him a bed bug" said in a calm, hushed tone was just the comedic relief I needed

[@TheEpicWeezl]

Having policies that benefit the working class is not the same as courting the working class. We can't just say "hey with our policies you will see stability and a better quality of life in a few years". Even if it's true that doesn't catch the ear of the average person. We may be the party that directly benefits the working class, but they don't know that.

[@capdyn735]

Exactly! Trump caught the working class by blaming the Biden administration. Americans largely are suspicious of corporations, the overall narrative needs to be that "corporations" are screwing over the working people. You can tie them to the republican party, you can tie it to freedom, you can tie it to any number of things, but you need to say that you are on the people's side, but that there is also someone not on their side.

[@Nolelife247]

This shows you how out of touch with reality most Americans are. wondering if they’re going to be OK over a presidential candidate it shows you how good of a country we live in.

[@concretemech]

I disagree that the outcome was inevitable. A better candidate with more time and a full REAL primary would have put us in a stronger position. Our party is responsible. Until we have the courage to place blame where it needs to be we will keep losing with weak candidates. Kamala failed badly. Hilary failed. Biden fucked us by running again. Kamala couldn’t even make a dent in OUR primary, how’s she supposed to do win the country if we rejected her. Party interference has prevented the strongest candidates from emerging.

[@TinaBUTCHER-ph1ph]

Yes

[@Angelum_Band]

Tulsi Gabbard 2028.

[@svenrio8521]

Andy Beshear 2028!

[@videoguy3110]

Only one campaign accurately acknowledged that the American working class is worse off now than in previous generations.

[@imagemkr]

The one selling the $100,000 watch?

[@yesnotesinfo]

My SINCEREST condolences from the vast majority of Germany. Instead of this aggressive and criminal bully having brought to justice he was rewarded with a presidency by the American people.

[@emiiii]

How do we defeat fascism other than losing a world war? 😢 please educate us 🙏

[@yesnotesinfo]

@@emiiii Follow the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller's (1892-1984) words: First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

[@KatKrueger]

He was never going to be brought to justice. Never will America imprison a former President.

[@intrepidtomato]

We are on the same track for all the same reasons and left wing parties are going to get hosed, deservedly, in the next elections. The current incumbent is a white collar criminal who should never have been there in the first place, the Greens are misogynistic loolahs who effed the economy. I say that as a former Green / Left voter. Never again. We'll have a populist right wing govt very soon and it is the fault of the establishment parties.

😂 LAUGHING OUR FUCKING ASSES OFF!!!

[@katiedowding-lees9416]

I'm from the UK and we've had 3 female Prime Ministers ', the first 45 years ago! I still can't get over why the US seem so resistant to a female President...KH would have been an amazing POTUS. Sorry USA..its an awful situation. I feel for women & LGBTQ+ especially.

[@priscillamarsh4623]

We can’t figure it out either.

[@thewittyusername]

Because she offered the same weak narrative that her straight white male incumbent did? You also don't vote for prime minister directly so I'm not sure why you're comparing apples to oranges 🤷‍♂️

[@kevinwillis6707]

She would have been a generic Democrat let's be honest. You have to remember these elections come down to half a dozen rural swing states, find what appeals to them and keep pushing it, Harris wasn't even popular amongst Dems, although they had no choice but to go with her cos the party left it too late for a primary. Mark Kelly would have wiped the floor with trump in my opinion

[@Victoria-i5k1d]

America is very backwards always going in the opposite direction from the rest of the world. The only reason why it is part of the Anglo-American world power it is because it was prophesied (even so it’s THE MOST FAGILE world power to ever exist and the last) bad news for Putin and others.

[@youwayo]

I disagree. A major problem with Kamala was she never popular in the first place. The was selected rather than elected and then was thrown into the spotlight.

[@monicagreene6134]

I love what Dan Pfeiffer had to say regarding the dissonance between the the rhetoric on the campaign trail about Trump and Kamala's concession speech. I hope that she is planning a very public "Letter to the American People" to address this very important issue.

[@steveaust5047]

"Less reassurance and more vigilance" says it all.

[@Chudchannel3]

Nobody on this podcast understands America or even current politics at all holy fuck.

[@JessicaSmith-yg9cn]

This is why the dems are so screwed, and by extension the rest of us. They do not get it. We want REAL action. We want Medicare for all like every other developed country! Kamala is against it but was FOR sex change operations for illegals in prison. It’s absolutely ABSURD.

[@dr.gretachen1988]

I am a 75 year old woman who is heartbroken. Kamala Harris and Tim Walz gave a valiant effort in their campaign. Will we ever see a competent woman as president? How any woman could vote for a man who is a convicted felon, thinks it is okay to grab women by their p . . . y, and does not pay his taxes is beyond my comprehension. How any man could not vote for a competent woman and choose a grifter is also beyond my comprehension. We have a long way to go. Please Pod Save America keep up your valiant efforts; we are depending on you. Now I have to knit another pink P. . . y hat.

[@AClockworkMelon]

Sure, there'll be a woman president at some point. It'll probably be a woman Democrat running against a woman Republican, and the Republican woman will win.

[@claudehopper6192]

Kamala sucked, both figuratively and literally.

[@sherk2714]

We are not going to be ok

[@aetherlumina53]

Please don’t give up. All 4 of you are critically important. We are facing a terrifying 4 years we need you. I feel selfish saying this but it’s what I believe.

[@markfcoble]

Yes, they helped the conservatives win!

[@lisaWIsconnie]

5:00 you can tell your daughter that she was not qualified nor nominated by the people...and you will see a woman president your lifetime

[@dojogreen5261]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@janicefortney590]

The message I got from Kamala's speech was that we're in for a fight and don't be complacent.

[@Chudchannel3]

Nope yall lost massively the fight is over

[@names_are_useless]

Then you assumed wrong. BERNIE SANDERS is asking us to fight!

[@capdyn735]

Honestly that's what I got too. Also I feel that she was trying to get a whole bunch of her very upset supporters down off the ledge.

[@capdyn735]

@@Chudchannel3 Did Trump and his supporters give up after Nov 3 2020? Did Trump give up after Jan 21 2021? During the indictments and charges against him? No. He kept going, as did those who supported him and it led to you all winning a very respectable victory a couple of days ago. So no, we aren't going to give up either, we will regroup, reorient and fight for what & who we believe in, for the midterms in '26 and for the presidential in '28.

[@michaeldonovan7522]

Were you watching the same speech? This is delusional we are cooked. Dem brand is destroyed it’s time for something new…

[@rosiesora2072]

Thank you Tommy for pointing out Kamala didn’t play identity politics. The other side definitely did though! Identity politics doesn’t just run one way and saying that immigrants are eating cats and dogs is identity politics. It just happened to not matter! Bernie might be right about losing the populist message but he only looks at these things from one point of view

[@Kimbee-tl9fm]

Bernie is full of crap. he gives good criticism most definately but what has he actually done. was he out there providing cover for Harris, was he saying she was the best shot for getting whatever policies he thinks should be implemented. or did he write a piece in the guardian critizing her "gaza stance" knowing full well she couldnt do anything unless she was president. When Manchin voted against extending the child tax credit, where was Bernie's op ed then? I have very rarely heard him criticize anyone who wasnt all ready vunerable. He could have run for president long before Hillary. He could could have stayed in NY and become Governor or Governor of any state where he would have had the real ability to implement his policies. Walz did it in MN. but no he ran to VT of all places and lives a comfortable life as a perpetual scold!

[@Danheron2]

Honestly I think that while Harris didn’t focus on identity politics, a lot of her followers did and that who those ads were aimed at, I think the problem with a lot of leftist parties around the world is since a lot of them have become more neo liberal. They have shifted a lot of their focus over the last 20 years to identity politics, because those were the hot button issues which has built up a lot of rage on the right and center, I think a lot of parties. now, are trying to distance themselves from it now realizing how unpopular it is and have a more “I’m here to help everybody policy” but there feeling the backlash of it

[@emilyfriedman450]

What if there is nothing we can do but let the people learn their lesson the hard way?

[@TexasGal.]

^This^

[@Mskedu47]

Using big tech to try to censor everyone online who disagrees with you lost you the online community forever

[@jamesgordon8548]

I respect you guys. You guys are very smart. But if you really want to understand why you lost, why don't you ask a trump voter? It's like if you want to find out why a girl dumped you. You don't get a bunch of guys together and ask right? If you want the real answer, get a group of girls and they'll tell you The truth

[@brie1112]

I was going to make the very same point. So many people who voted for Biden last time voted for Trump this time. Their reasons are valid and worth considering. Think ye are in something of an echo chamber. Really liked Kamala but honestly she didn't run a good campaign. She failed to deliver a succinct message and that is one reason she lost. Example (before election) 'Why did you never visit the Border'? Answer : Well I never visited Europe either ( paraphrased).

[@capdyn735]

@@brie1112 Exactly, I don't think asking perma-red republicans why they voted for Trump matters too much, say for example a single issue pro-life Evangelical. However, Obama-Trump voters and Biden-Trump voters are important people to reach out to and hopefully people such as Sarah Longwell focus on that with her focus groups.

[@Vaeldarg]

"If you want the real answer....and they'll tell you the truth." They don't, though. As plenty of interviews at Trump rallies show. Because the truth is they were manipulated. And many of them, if not most, know that but don't want to admit it much less publicly to an interviewer.

[@kim9208]

@@brie1112that’s BS. Trump talked about Hannibal Lector and won. She lost because she’s a woman.