Haydn Symphony No 52 in C minor, Hob. I:52 John Eliot Gardiner BRSO

Munich 24 May 2019
Full concert : www.br-so.com/...

[@Razzeeberry]

0:40 I mvmt 9:22 II mvmt 18:12 III mvmt 22:42 IV mvmt

[@matthiasm4299]

The second movement is out of this world! 😳

[@joselopes2293]

Haydn was considered the father of the symphony. Not only for its conception but also for the profusion of music of this type that he composed. The symphonies liveliness and elegance are relevant and his influence on other contemporary musicians is well known. Each symphony has its own musical characteristics and are truly musical masterpieces.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

You’re quite right in everything you say about Haydn, and about his importance in developing the early symphony into what it became - a vehicle into which all later composers poured some of their most profound thoughts. However, the ‘Father of the Symphony’ title is ridiculous - there is more evidence for the existence of Father Christmas!

[@joselopes2293]

​@@elaineblackhurst1509 Dear Elaine, thanks for your observation. I partially agree with you regarding ownership, but in fact I was referring to the fact that the classical symphony reached its most perfect form, in my opinion, after the 104 composed by Haydn. In fact, as you can see, this designation appears in the work Living Music by Keith Spence, pg.47. We all know that this type of music comes from a more or less long evolution of the music of other composers and other types of music that preceded Haydn. It is mentioned in Larousse Music Encyclopedia, pg 237 that “... Haydn the first great master of classical symphony and in many ways its architect...” . Hence the expressed consideration.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

@@joselopes2293 By definition, a father *must* be involved at the conception - Haydn was not; the ‘Father of the Symphony’ appellation is as absurd as it is misleading. As just one example: Johann Stamitz died in 1757 having composed about 60 modern Classical symphonies - many including a Minuet, and some with clarinets. Haydn’s *first* symphony was written in 1757. Case Proven. That said, I agree with almost all of the rest of your reply above - where Haydn took the symphony is one of the reasons he is a genuine ‘A’ list composer. Spence’s book is a simplistic and out-dated outline about music generally - now over 40 years old - that might have some initial use for someone with little or no knowledge of Western classical music; it carries almost no scholarly authority whatsoever, as exemplified by the absurd comment about Haydn and the symphony. The book is available on-line for next to nothing £3 (or € $). Perhaps we should settle on ‘Foster-parent or Step-father of the Symphony’, or perhaps better, ‘Father *to* the Symphony’.

[@concerned1]

Godfather?

[@mijoree]

Maybe we should give Haydn the title Great Master of the Symphony and forget about Father.

[@mikewashington7033]

My heart stutters when I hear haydn..brilliant melody and horns repeating melody

[@mikewashington7033]

Then haydn gives u an astonishing melody...my god.gbless u j haydn..you helped me so much wyour music..may I find peace in heaven

[@greggoryrice7046]

Just absolutely marvelous, amazing ensemble playing.

[@petercrosland5502]

Profound, unsettling and funny at times. Only Haydn.

[@mikewashington7033]

The 1st met simply astonishing..mood swings settling back down to complete and utter brillance

[@eamonnvaneetvelde]

My favorite Haydn symphony, great performance! :)

[@חכל]

Maestro Gardiner great

[@ДмитрийГладченко-я3в]

Достойное исполнение недооценённой 52-й симфонии Гайдна. Чувствуется "Буря и натиск".Браво дирижеру и коллективу! Кстати, 52-я и 53-я Симфонии в исполнении Марринера, да скрипичный концерт C-Dur, были первыми сочинениями Гайдна, с которыми я познакомился будучи студентом. Отличная музыка!!

[@julioberaldi1867]

thank you very beautiful .

[@dianasmitsmans5997]

❤very beautiful 😍

[@s.shiraishi972]

The camera should show 2nd horn at 23:16. 2nd horn takes important role at this moment even 1st part doesn't play at all. I dropped my tear at 26:44. 1st horn is so great

[@jauscielingjauquae3539]

I. Thank you. BRAVO BRAVO

[@germanquintero10121946]

MAGNIFICO

[@iggyreilly2463]

Concertmaster forgot to remove his mute prior to mvt. 3.

[@mateomo]

Thanks!!

[@ursularissmann-telle4000]

I can recognize Anne Schoenholz, first violin, the beautiful young blonde woman with bobbed hair. ❤

[@citizent6999]

A violinist always knows when a camera faces them.

[@CBElim]

piano ??

[@ursularissmann-telle4000]

Ich finde den Dirigierstil von Gardiner sehr angemessen. Keine überflüssigen Bewegungen, gute Impulse, lebendige Mimik.

[@adityabhattacharyya8302]

Is Francois Leleux the principal oboe ?

[@victormeister1869]

Here in this stunning performance yes indeed, but he is not a regular member of the SOBR

[@風呂幸]

I thank Buddha for such a wonderful work.

[@pepehaydn7039]

Did Buddha compose it?

[@bgodley504]

@@pepehaydn7039 such talent, I am grateful for buddha's greatest composition, Haydn Symphony 52

[@lauterunvollkommenheit4344]

I also thank Pest.

[@nicholassievers962]

Where am I?

[@pepehaydn7039]

Did Buddha also Write Bruckner's Fifth by the way? Just want to know.

[@jennylea8687]

I put a thumbs down, not because of the music of Haydn, nor for the excellent musicians all, but for the CRIME of putting ads in the middle of the movements

[@ianw1976]

7:00 I didn't know Justin Trudeau plays the violin.

[@УправляющаякомпанияТОРГрупп]

"Haydn invented the symphony", let that thought sink in slowly when you think how good of a player or a composer you might be .

[@ДмитрийГладченко-я3в]

Если Вы действительно хороший игрок или композитор, то мыслям о Гайдне необязательно оседать. Они могут повысить вашу успешность.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

Haydn did not invent the symphony.

[@ДмитрийГладченко-я3в]

Я про Фому, а мне в ответ про Ерёму.@@elaineblackhurst1509

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

@@ДмитрийГладченко-я3в Unfortunately, I cannot read your comment, but this may help: Johann Stamitz died in 1757 and had composed about 60 modern Classical symphonies by that date; Haydn wrote his FIRST symphony in 1757. Monn wrote a four movement symphony in D major dated 1740. Et cetera. Ergo, Haydn did not invent the symphony - no single composer did; it emerged in several different places - Italy, Mannheim, Vienna, in the hands of several different composers - Sammartini, J. Stamitz, Richter, Holzbauer, Fils, Wagenseil, Monn, et al.

[@ДмитрийГладченко-я3в]

@@elaineblackhurst1509 ВЫ пишете не по теме. То, с чем Вы не согласны, я и не утверждал. Возможно онлайн-переводчик был бы Вам подспорьем.

[@Sshooter444]

Would love to play 2nd horn, not 1st! Bravo C-alto

[@concerned1]

Now go listen to Symphony 78 and compare.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

Presumably you mean Haydn’s Symphony 78 - there’s no such thing as ‘Op 78’. In answer to your question, apart from both being in c minor (as is Symphony 95), 52 and 78 have almost nothing in common.

[@concerned1]

@@elaineblackhurst1509 Oops. Yes, I meant Symphony. Thank you for pointing that out. The opening to both bear a similarity, no?

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

@@concerned1 The opening motif of Haydn 78 is very striking - more so than that of Haydn 52; most obviously Mozart clearly knew it as evidenced by the opening of his c minor piano concerto K491. Mozart was not alone in noting the remarkably angular and rhythmic opening of Haydn 78, and taking up the challenge of working with the idea.

[@4thsuponinversion743]

22:22 Someone coughs (COVID)

[@ДмитрийГладченко-я3в]

Но, к сожалению, мессы Гайдна Гардинер исполняет легкомысленно, не вникая в материал. Гест, Марринер и Бернстайн, на мой взгляд, исполняют лучше. Сравните, например, с "Benedictus" в "Мессе времен войны" в исполнении Бернстайна, или в Heiligmesse B-dur в исполнении Геста. Или в Schopfungsmesse B-dur, в исполнении того же Геста. Или с мессой "In angustiis" d-moll в исполнении Марринера. Разница очевидна. Я уже не говорю об аутентичной манере!