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[@bpopa27]

Elves reach sexual maturity at 80-100 years of age and live for 600-800 years. So Berenzyah was under 80 years of age not "so young" when talking about elves

[@omega9216]

Activation of the Numidium always causes a Dragon Break , technicly speaking Summer Set Isles is still under seige by Tiber Septim in some branches even tho it already happened and timelines marged into one at a much earlier point

[@samiamtheman7379]

Speaking of the Numidium, Talos the divine was never mentioned until Morrowind, which occurs after it was activated in Daggerfall. This would imply that up until that point, Talos the divine never existed, but then always existed. Talos was the cause of and a result of the Dragonbreak.

[@erris5744]

That isn't how Dragon Breaks work. A Dragon Break is where the timeline splits apart, and then those branching timelines merge back together with all contradictions existing at once. An example is Mannimarco - during the Warp in the West, he ascended to godhood in one timeline and did not in another, so when the Dragon Break ended, there were two Mannimarcos - King of the Worms, as seen in Oblivion, and the Necromancer Moon that creates Black Soul Gems.

[@Mare_Man]

@erris5744 Except by the time of the Warp Mannimarco had already been a nigh-unstoppable lich for quite some time, while the weakling "Mannimarco" in Oblivion isn't even undead. Not all Dragon Breaks are like the Warp in the West. The Middle Dawn, the Red Moment, the activation of Numidium near Rimmen; they're all different from each other, linked only by their space/time-distorting nature.

[@sennemichiels6748]

In The Real Barenziah the titular queen also has some erm... "interactions" with a khajiit where she complains about how his barbed "appendage" hurts when inserted. You didn't want to know this, and now you do. You're welcome.

[@emilrasmussen1309]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh thank you for sharing the knowledge aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

[@dpolanski4143]

next time I expect you to share the lore of Vivec's Spear and all that Molag Bal business

[@sennemichiels6748]

@@dpolanski4143 I shall. All must bask in Muatra's magnificence!

[@Mobysimo]

Apparently it was written was she was alive and she was a fan of the book, even if it was rather....lewd about her life

[@samiamtheman7379]

Interesting thing about Tiber Septim becoming the god Talos is that was never a thing until after Daggerfall (First being mentioned as a god in Morrowind specifically) where a Dragonbreak happens. Given the nature of Dragonbreaks, it's possible that up to that point, Talos the divine never existed, only to then always have existed thanks to the second Dragonbreak. Basically, Talos was the cause of and a result of the Dragonbreak.

[@Mare_Man]

This is also when Mannimarco ascended to divinity, marking the second or third time the elves managed it before mankind (not counting the Tribunal and Dagoth-Ur)

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@Mare_ManYes but also no, Mannimarco the First and the Harbinger achieved Deityhood after about a thousand years of preparation and to become a seldom worshipped deity no less only worshipped or mentioned by Necromancers who seek patrons who do not seek to defile them at their bloodied altar of domination. Talos the Deity created by that very dragonbreak was created from the Underking, Zurin Arctus, Lysandus, of Daggerfall but primarily and in dominance overrall is Hjalti Early Beard a Half-Breton Half-Nord who later changed their name to Talos Stormcrown then later on to Tiber Septim. Because of the Dragonbreak Talos Deityhood became True in the Present, Past, and Future. Also I don’t know of any Elves asides from Mannimarco who ascended to being True deities, the Tribrunal do not count as the Nature of their powers was that they stole power from Lorkhan’s heart as well as having to leach off of the aspects of the Daedric Tribrunal which only two of them succeeded (Vivec and Sotha Sil) Almalexia never successfully leached off of Azura, Dagoth Ur did the same via leaching off of the heart of Lorkhan and attempting some long winded form of Amaranth.

[@Mare_Man]

@@InquisitorXarius Syrabane and (maybe) Xarxes also achieved divinity before the King of Worms and Talos.

[@samiamtheman7379]

@@InquisitorXarius Not to mention that Mannimarco seems to have somewhat split into two beings since you fight/kill him in Oblivion and he was around to be one of the accounts interviewed when people were asked to describe the dragonbreak.

[@diegojimenez5937]

Tíber séptim is honestly such a great character. And honestly altough most of his actions are questionable (like what he did to barenziah or when he decided to hiroshimad the sumérset islands) But most pf his actions are what real life emperors would have done. I love that about him....

[@davidfrancisco3502]

Also many rulers hated their wives but they couldn't put them into the chopping block and replace them because their marriages holds political alliances. Tiber Séptimo and Reman III are some big examples in TES.

[@1dirtbike4]

As far as I am aware their is no official age for Barenziah when she got pregnant but was probably about 17 or 18. Elves reach sexual maturity later than humans and that was still the youngest recorded elf pregnancy.

[@42ndguardian]

wasn't 'The Real Barenziah' written long after her death and basically Tamriel's version of historic fanfiction about the most famous and well-loved dark elf royal?

[@Mare_Man]

​ @42ndguardian It was written by a close confidant of Barenziah, who herself shielded him from death by Imperial authorities after his exile from Cyrodiil. Barenziah was still alive and well in Morrowind, and we've had no word of her death yet by the time of Skyrim.

[@lop90ful1]

Are you sure what it written by that one horny dude that was pretty much writing his own fics ?@@Mare_Man

[@britishronin1958]

Yea Barenziah was 16 which for a Dunmer to become pregnant at that age is unheard of as Dunmer typically live 200-300 years so in elf terms she was barely Pre Pubescent

[@IndigoJulze]

She could have been in her 30s and still been seen as ridiculously young.

[@Mobysimo]

One thing to say about the war between the Empire and Morrowind, it’s important to keep in mind the Tribunal are Living Gods. Like, Vivec can snap their fingers and freeze a meteor in mid-air so people can use it as a prison. I think that Talos going for a conditional surrender makes perfect sense and Ysmir just sounds like a warmonger pissy he didn’t get to continue the war rather than simply caring about growing the Empire

[@rzero1262]

It's more complicated than that because Dagoth Ur reawakened in 2E882 (around 14 years before Morrowind surrendered to Tiber), depriving the Tribunal from accessing the source of their powers ever since. So by the time Tiber came, the Tribunal were already on a borrowed time and exhausting their powers in a battle against the Empire would mean they'd just fall to Dagoth Ur sooner rather than later. So yeah, I would assume the Empire actually could get away with more than what they got out of the Armistice, if not for Vivec weaseling them out of that predicament.

[@Mobysimo]

@@rzero1262 True, but Tiber and Ysmir had no way to know about that. The Heart's existance and abilities wasnt something the Tribunal shared with everyone

[@rzero1262]

@@Mobysimo I guess one could argue that, being a Shezarrine himself, Ysmir Wulfharth would sense that something was wrong with Heart, but yeah, chances are they had no idea. Still, I find it ironic that Ysmir's original plan wouldn't necessarily be a failure and the Tribunal really dodged an arrow there.

[@YOGI-kb9tg]

Barenziah was a minor at the time. Also the irony Tiber septim left no heir to rule. His only son died before him. The continuation of the septim line was Tiber septims brothers children.

[@shogunender8752]

You need to learn more about Morrowind and the Nerevar. By far my favorite game ever and truly is the best use of a foreign society while being so grounded that I can imagine real life people acting this way in these situations. It’s so beautiful and really brings me to a whole new perspective of fantasy.

[@dpolanski4143]

I've seen you reacting to some Fudgemuppet videos before, so I would recommend "The COMPLETE Guide to Oblivion - What is a Daedric Plane?" by Drewmora, one of the dudes who was involved with Fudgemuppet channel before He always delivers great narrative and artistic approach to his lore videos!

[@maciekx10]

Idk why but I was expecting this video to be about the mantleing.

[@Mare_Man]

"Talos of Atmora" reads more like a ceremonial epithet than a literal description. Atmora was an inhospitable frozen wasteland by the year 68 of the First Era, more than 3,600 years before Tiber Septim could have been born.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

Hjalti Early Beard still sounds like a nord name tho. Maybe Hjalti was just a breton because Of his mother while his father was indeed a nord.

[@Mare_Man]

@davidfrancisco3502 It's not unheard of for individuals to be named according to other race's traditions. Brand-Shei the Dunmer was raised in Black Marsh by Argonians and has an Argonian name

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@Mare_Man Hjalti was a Half-Nord Half-Breton, a Dovahkin, and a Shezzarine.

[@Mare_Man]

@@InquisitorXarius Shezarrines aren't canon. And even if they were, being Dragonborn would certainly exclude someone from being one.

[@Shalltear773]

for any lore nerds here; what's up with the fragments of Numidium so far? like who has them now or are people still trying to rebuild and activate the dwemer god mech?

[@emilrasmussen1309]

During the events of The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, the second Numidium, named Akulakhan, was a partial reconstruction of the first Numidium and was powered by the Heart of Lorkhan. Its construction was overseen by the maddened Dagoth Ur, whose goal was to cover the entirety of the world with his Blight, a deadly disease that he used to infect, convert, and control the citizens of Morrowind, so that all mortals might be connected to the Heart and thus be controlled by Dagoth Ur. as the player you destroy the heart but what happened to numidium is is unkown

[@davidfrancisco3502]

​@@emilrasmussen1309The heart wasn't really destroyed rather banished out Of Mundus maybe even out Of time.

[@Mobysimo]

It was reactivated during the events of Daggerfall Reactivating the mech is the point of the main quest in fact. Afterwards, it kinda dissapeared from existence thanks to the Dragonbreak. During the events of Morrowind, the main villain Dagoth Ur tried to build a second one, but he was never able to finish it and it was probably destroyed when Red Mountain, the Volcano where it was being built, exploded during a massive eruption

[@IndigoJulze]

It was reactivated during the daggerfall game, gained sapience and kinda just fucked off. It's now known as the brass tower and where it walks dragon breaks happen. You know just going for a walk breaking time as it goes.

[@chill-lady-brook]

If you want to see some other interesting character or location dives I recommend Ghostcharm. He’s got character analysis and location analysis videos on several Skyrim and elder scrolls topics. I highly recommend them

[@dionysius-germanicus_digna3740]

Barenziah wasn’t underaged, she was very young (as an elf) to become pregnant.

[@lop90ful1]

Always like you to see you react to elder scrolls ore

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

What I find kinda funny is that if Tiber Septim had directly told Ysmir about the Numidium, he would probably have willingly worked with him to find a way to power it that didn't involve soul-trapping him. Ysmir was a veteran of Red Mountain after all, he saw the devastation it wrought firsthand and would probably be more than willing to have it on his side, even if his direct goal was still out of reach for the time being

[@cyborgcatrj6794]

In the Underking’s defence, he was probably just thinking of using the machine to nuke some High Elves, which can hardly be considered a war crime since the Altmer aren’t people. It was when the emperor used it on his own countrymen because he was too lazy for peace talks that he turned on Tiber Septim. Considering that he had the power to fight on par with a Gundam that breaks reality every time you turn it on, I will always point to this when I say the Underking is the strongest mage in the Elder Scrolls.

[@Mare_Man]

The Arcturian Heresy is not a wholly reliable source.

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@Mare_ManTrue but it is far more reliable than Elven sources because the Arcturian Heresy never denies Talos’ deltyhood it merely elaborates on it in less than glorious additional detail. How do I know this? Because I read it in Skyrim.

[@Mare_Man]

@InquisitorXarius In what way is Talos' divinity relevant to this? We know the _Arcturian Heresy_ is false because the Underking himself states that he was Zurin Arctus.

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@Mare_Man Last time I checked the Underking is a combination of Wulfhearth, Lysandus, and Zurin Arctus Im pretty sure the Arcturian Heresy says that along with material from Daggerfall.

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@Mare_Man I said the Arcturian Heresy is relevant as it is not wholly unreliable because it understand and elaborates upon Talos’ divinity.

[@IndigoJulze]

These are fantasy elves. "never getting pregnant at this age." Could have been like 34 years old.

[@DaddyVeo1911]

As a reminder, Queen Berenziah taking fat Khajit pp is canon.

[@eagle10799]

Barenziah was probably 18 when she and Tiber had their little fling. Ok age for humans, but still pretty young for an elf. Still, Talos will forever be a better emperor than the Big E and equally as good as Sigmar. Any slander about Talos is mainly Thalmor propaganda

[@mitch7235]

Precious 🐱!

[@SoCHobbit]

The elder scrolls is notorious for using the Unreliable Narrator. Also in our own lifetimes we have seen people rise to powerful positions and then immediatly be attacked with false accusations meant to destroy their reputation and to muddy up the way people view them. Was Talos the best? No...no one is...especially in the elder scrolls. Personally i dont believe or trust either story, as the hero story is too clean and amazing, and the villain story is written by people in positions of power that hated him. Maybe they had good reason...and maybe they simply were jealous and wanted more power, influence and attention. And specifically when it comes to barenziahs story...well i believe very little of that.

[@DaddyVeo1911]

Also, while vile, Talos could've done much worse to Berenziah.

[@dariustiapula]

Should have sink the Summerset Isles.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

No.

[@William-Howe]

agreed damn elves

[@cyborgcatrj6794]

Yes… Except the Crystal Tower, it’s the only thing on that dump worth saving. Unless the damned Hapsburg elves broke the thing already.

[@Mare_Man]

The fact that Tiber Septim needed an elven god-mech before even _considering_ extending his conquest to Summerset should tell you all you need to know about his capabilities in that regard.

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@Mare_ManBlame the Aldmeri dogs for existing.

[@madvulcan8964]

21:10 I can't take someone who goes on any ties fuck the elves to suddenly care for an elves even one . I still shocked you weren't happy that a city of Kajit were all killed, cause no one is suppose to like the animal people, that grows and one that likes them is also grows too. Elves and beast men are not real people, I treated them like people but everyone said that wrong. One moment your saying the only good elf is a dead elf, the next you cringing over the aborting of an elf, make up your damn minds.

[@samuellennon1984]

Mate, abortion against the mothers will is fucked up in any reality, real or not. Abortion should be the mothers choice. And I hate the high elves, but an unborn infant hasn't had the time to be brainwashed by their barbaric society. If said child was raised by the Empire, it would be an Imperial, not a knife-ear.

[@madvulcan8964]

​@@samuellennon1984 You hate the elves, okay, its fantasy who cares. I just hear "All knife-ears must die" all the damn time, so fine embraces all what implies which includes the children too, no exceptions. So when they skin crying Kajit children I expect there to be big smiles all around cause "beast people aren't real people." I don't think that, but a lot of you fucking do so who cares then, what's the big deal, war crimes are good times. Embraces it.