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[@volgg]

for those who are criticizing Dr K for having Adin on, you have to understand that this is healthy. I'm not a fan of Adin because of his reputation, but if this conversation planted even a tiny seed in his mind that he can see and acknowledge the deep rooted issues he has, that's great and i'll be proud of him for that.

[@grilledcheese2084]

Not only that, Adin was livestreaming to his audience too, maybe it could have a lasting effect on some of them.

[@volgg]

@@grilledcheese2084 Definitely and to your point, I honestly learned something about myself from this live stream!

[@spigney4623]

@@grilledcheese2084 such a good point

[@matthewigo3160]

@@grilledcheese2084true, i’m an adin watcher and started watching dr k almost a month ago. but this whole talk he was farming clips and trying to entertain his chat. the older fans were able to maybe get something from this conversation, all his chat thinks is mental health is dumb and adins some alpha male. this made me lose every ounce of respect from adin

[@mattm2359]

It's funny you say that because I'm certain this talk will do nothing for him. He will be back doing the usual dumb shit he does without a second thought on this talk. Dude is so childish and lives by the Internet, he won't change.

[@andrewkoontz8206]

I am laughing my ass off at: "This isn't necessarily the place to air out all your trauma" "So the most traumatic thing that ever happened to me in my life is... "

[@VioletEmerald]

Same...

[@darkbuddha3307]

Hes said this story many times.

[@belle8732]

that just happened and i ran straight to the comments 😭 cus what??

[@manhattanvi]

@@belle8732 "necessarily" is the key word

[@Rachel-uq1bn]

Lol and then right to I got stabbed in my sleep by a close family member when I was a child…. What in the actual f…

[@nicolaerosca6452]

Controversial opinion: I think Adin here did his best considering that he basically came into this completely blind and the fact that he is more or less a slave to his mind, as Dr K pointed out. Also props to Dr K for being so patient with him. I think the more conversations we have with "controversial" content creators, the healthier this community and adjacent communities will become.

[@Konvecz]

Adin is not only a slave of his mind but also of his audience. He tries to impress a bunge of teens and only opened up in a way so they can't make fun of him because he already made fun of himself not really being genuine. I think that there is a value to interviewing people like Aiden for exposing their audience to him but I hate seeing people like Aiden farming Dr Ks braincells because this was a painful watch especially after Aiden started talking about dating. It was just sad to see because the a lot of the viewer interviews or the ones with certain content creators that don't live in a echo chamber and neither have nor facilitate brain rot holded so much more value because the the quality of the conversation where better and more productive. They flow more and the conversation gets more genuine and truthful giving us knowledge and understanding of what the other person is going through. There been people that where close minded and going in circles for a bit but in the end most of them ended up at least getting a nudge in the right direction or some sort of good message. Aiden started to get there and then he tried to "school" Dr. K on dating and "our generation" both of which he has very limited understanding about. He was extremely close minded which lead to him distancing himself from nuance and ultimately growth. If I play devils advocate. Maybe he realized subconsciously that Dr. K tried to get him somewhere and he started the part of his brain that said "fuck this I'm doing the opposite of what you want me to do" activated. Another thing is that obviously he wants to save face to his community and especially after his "Andrew Tate era" he tries to project the red pill trates he preaches about so his viewers don't go down. In the end I really just feel sad for Dr. K because I don't think he imagined it to be that way and he got tried to get taken advantage of by Adin in a way for entertainment. Shits tragic new patek.

[@matthewigo3160]

adin was farming clips almost this whole talk, i watch adin and this absolutely made lose all respect for him. all he did was try to make his chat think he was some alpha male and because his chat thinks mental health is all bs. he has a twitter community for all his loyal fans and they all cooked him

[@phantasy8921]

@@matthewigo3160what makes u think this?

[@user-th1pv6ks5o]

​@@phantasy8921The part where Dr. K literally calls it out.

[@caleb...]

"...he basically came into this completely blind..." That's how conversations work, this was a conversation, not a battle. There isn't supposed to be winners or losers. This perspective you have isn't controversial, it's more controversial (for you) that you think it's controversial.

[@DuffeyLovesYoutube]

Its interesting that Adin writes off his personal beliefs to its just what our generation does. Puts less personal responsibility on him for what he thinks and really gets him stuck in his rut.

[@raybroshorts]

I agree he kept saying his generation and I was completely in disagreement

[@jryce]

in a way that's a "coping mechanism", it distracts him from seeing the healthier solution, in this case the healthier and more objective belief. if he noticed it like Dr K did with "that's the way it is", it could signal change. it makes me wonder what things we may be unintentionally doing that is distracting us from a healthier pov

[@chrispycryptic]

It is just so damn painful how much he _thinks_ he understands about life. He could be normal if he just realized that *nobody* on this rock processing around a giant flaming ball of gas in an infinite vacuum filled to the brim with other rocks and balls of flaming gas knows a god-damned thing about life. I say this from a computer science background and my lifelong dedication to learn everything that I possibly can about this world! To get the most out of this life, it is in our best interest to approach it with an open mind and willing to learn.

[@quekumber]

100% agree, it excuses behavior. I was listening to Scott Galloway yesterday and noticed the exact same thing. He recognized he was much more of an 'asshole although still is', but abdicating all responsibility and instead putting it on the issue with the 'generation'. nah man, its you. You perpetuate it.

[@joshualee6932]

I think Adin's behavior during this particular interview is an extreme example of what everyone does to a lesser degree. He's also still young so there's plenty of time to grow out of this mindset. He took a positive step in his journey today by agreeing to have this conversation in the first place. Respect to him for wanting to better himself.

[@callumash9657]

Single man in his 20s gives dating advice to a 40 year old married psychiatrist who studied at Harvard

[@franjkav]

That’s the funniest part…multiple times he tried to give advice or convince him of something different or otherwise speak as an expert or authority figure

[@callumash9657]

@@franjkav Totally agree, also I'm almost certain doctor k has probably worked with literally hundreds of people in Adins generation so the " you don't know my generation" doesn't work either

[@JAKE-ng8yr]

I mean dating market changed a lot in those 20 years. 40 year old didn't experience dating in modern world, with dating apps and internet. Male virginity rised 4 times!!! in 15 years

[@MrBrendan882]

@@JAKE-ng8yrDr. K talks to people of his generation all the time. Also, male sexlessness has increased by a marginal amount for unmarried men. It’s not by much. I can link to you if you want.

[@SnailHatan]

@@callumash9657working with young people doesn’t mean he understands what it is like to be young today. Knowing how to help someone is not understanding their experience.

[@Lanixcha]

I envy Dr. K for his capacity to manage conversations like these, not just because of Adin, but also due to his level of patience, emotional awareness, and ability to understand others

[@mrberee]

yeah bro. he was a monk for 8 years, he has that capacity of mentality where he's able to really handle that.

[@JoeyTen]

I've noticed a pattern in Dr. K's interviews: Transparency and communication. If he feels something, he simply takes a sec ("Can I think for a sec?") to observe/understand the feelings, then he explains them. It really seems so simple, yet it's such a valuable and powerful skill that most people don't attempt.

[@dukkiegamer1733]

Yeah he's great, but it probably took him a lot of effort. It's a skill like any other, you can get better at it too! Isn't easy, but practice makes perfect.

[@Lanixcha]

@@dukkiegamer1733 as someone who is struggling with alexithymia, it feels so hard to engage and articulate what I really need to say. Still I'm trying to improve it. Therapy doing a great job too

[@whiterabbit447]

How do you say patience when he gets annoyed everts 3 seconds

[@alexreckard7303]

Dr. K running at full capacity with this one

[@JakeMazurski]

Overload :)

[@4_times_college_dropout_tr24]

his name is aiden.

[@tostadoro]

@@4_times_college_dropout_tr24 no, his name is Adin.

[@virahpayam]

😵‍💫

[@db5094]

what @@4_times_college_dropout_tr24

[@brandonb6560]

You could FEEL him pushing away whenever anything got genuinely real, but I appreciate that you at least tried.

[@rbae]

Sad how he used to be a positive force in his side of the community but got swayed by Tate, Sneako, and the others

[@ODrane]

@@rbaehe's still obviously trying my friend. He sounds authentic but has mental blocks allowing him to blossom.

[@ODrane]

Allowing him to not blossom* I apologize

[@laffeybunn8557]

​​@@ODraneI think he's an asshole BECAUSE he CHOOSES to remain ignorant so he doesn't have to deal with his samskaras regarding women. "I'm not the problem, everyone else is the problem!!!" that's his entire thing. Also he has a very big problem with saying that his experience is the only experience that exists and uses the passive form of "you" way too much.

[@ippo4502]

Funny how you say that when Dr K says he's genuine. I don't watch Adin content, but you just don't like the guy, and it's obvious.

[@rtyzxc]

What Dr K tried to explain: There are not 2 types of women, there are 2 types of interactions YOU have with women. Other type of people have other types of interactions ("types of women"). The types of women available to you depends on how you act, the circumstances you meet at, the goals in mind you meet with, what information they have about you. This greatly filters out possible "types of women" (types of interactions) you come across. Hypothetically, if you put on an act of being completely different person (assuming you can do it perfectly and nobody notices), the women you meet would become different as well and act differently with you. Different offerings land on people with different goals.

[@chtrxarya]

100% and that I don't think was translated to Adon in this and allt of times people in general in everyday interactions. One person can be multiple things and representation to different people depending on the context, type etc of that particular interaction

[@Micelii]

@@chtrxaryayea fr the worlds a Nuisanced place. There are queens and hoes but there are plenty in between and you can be multiple things at once. Surprise surprise, you have to actually get to know the chick

[@Micelii]

@@WrathofFenrir99 most definitely, all I can do is preach to the women I love how important it is to not give it up. You loose mostly all respect from a man when you do that, you downgrade yourself from possible gf to fwb. To add to that tho dr k is right there are cases where 2 people are only hooking up at first then find themselves in love

[@quantumvideoscz2052]

While it is true that it's very much based on your interactions, I'd honestly say it's both. Yes, your type of interaction, your type of approach will affect how others will react to you and what your interaction is gonna be like, sure, but there are people who would never accept that type of interaction and simply leave while there are people who would never do anything else. As in there are women who would never engage in "sleeping around" because they need a long-term, serious relationship, and there are women who absolutely love sleeping around and would accept such offers from almost anyone. Not saying either is good or correct, just that it's not as simple as "It's just your interactions."

[@musicmeister1313]

time stamp?

[@liltunturi1251]

I noticed people chatting: "cringe" "I cant watch this" "he is delusional " "typical zoomer" "immature" I appreciate the way Dr.K approached this unavoidable harsh judgement of the internet. We have the ability to watch these videos to learn, understanding that there are many people just like Adin and it is useful to have these conversations. We all have got a lot to learn. This is a great reminder of it, I am sure it will resonate with many. What I took from this is that lot of us are stuck in our ways, we dont feel like we can control what we do with our time and energy, we dont want to get consumed and at the same time we want to get consumed, because we are hiding and escaping from hurt and struggle. During our life we also realize that people can take it the wrong way if we happen to speak up about our issues, and that means we have to hide and cope even more. I do understand where is Adin coming from. Who knows, maybe during next session he will be more ready to work through his feelings

[@Anna13Tonks]

that's why he's Dr. K and we're chat. Chat was also right too

[@liltunturi1251]

@@Anna13Tonks Chat is smart and observant, it is all useful. Dr K tries his best and chat is there for a reason too.

[@legendaryerin]

2:34:57 I truly have benefitted from this interview! I’m a therapist in TX, and the way Dr. K conducted himself with exploring belief systems with someone who was often showing him rigidity and evasiveness has made me take a deeper look at how to approach people with differing perspectives. 🙏🏻

[@kylespevak6781]

"A 20-year-old in my generation is smarter than a 20-year-old in your generation" Spoken like a truth 20-year-old

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

If only we could all be as smart as we thought we were when we were 20 😂

[@christopherhall619]

Could make the argument with average IQ increases that he's right lol

[@halfbasic2990]

I think he meant to say 20 year olds are more informed and have access to more information than 20 year olds in Dr. Ks generation, which is correct.

[@CloudHeadCustoms]

I think the sad truth is that there IS no Adin Ross. The guy cannot maintain a self image for the life of him and is so easily manipulated by everyone around him and doesn’t question it. I’ll never forget watching the J Aubrey video where Tate said “How do I fix you when you are so broken?” And Adin just says, “I Am?” He accepted it so easily it almost broke my heart. I’m not even a fan, it just hurt to see someone accept that so easily as truth. I don’t think Adin can be made to help himself, he needs to want it for himself.

[@bamie16]

It is what it is😂

[@fujster]

thats his entire life motto @@bamie16

[@kaybrarian]

It was sad to see how lonely Adin is. He tried to keep the conversation going as long as possible. It was nice of Dr. K to keep talking with him after he specifically said he wanted to spend time with his wife and kids. I don't know whether I'm reading into it too much, but I detected desperation underneath Adin's happy-face.

[@0rph33]

The thing is i DONT think he wants it for himself. The rub is that its easier to have a life where youre controlled by others, because that way you never have to make your own decisions, never have to deal with consequences or accountability, or grapple with a sense of self - because there wont be one!! But as Dr. K notes it comes at a great cost, because you may be able to please the external world into needing you, but you’ll arrive at a point where you dont need it anymore. A life where youre needed by the external world, but have no need for it yourself, is TORTURE mentally and spiritually. A total subjection to your own helplessness, it’s like COMPLETE self negation/nihilation. Adin really is a fascinating case study and i see a lot of my own issues in him, he’s like a microcosm for an entire generation of boys and girls alike. I hope the best for him, and that he stands up on the table for himself instead of to defy an external world that he’s come to clearly lament. Time will tell if he comes to recognize that in himself though.

[@ANUP755]

Tate was definitely joking there

[@dustinmartin9]

Just to chime in, I think conversations like this with people who have these types of world views are incredibly important and valuable. Empathy is the only way to illicit positive change

[@willadolphy8432]

'Yes we need more conversations like this!' - my first thought when I saw this video title. [Qualified therapist take] - Like it or not Adin Ross is a huge influence on young men/teen boys as are the Logan Paul's & Tates of the world. Having a dialogue with someone like Dr K who as far as I can tell is a highly grounded mature and self-aware individual is a step towards spiritual growth and away from the algorithms of greed & ego. You can tell Adin doesn't have these conversations much and you can feel his mask/bravado throughout particularly during the section on 'hoes and queens'. Adin's mask is highly sophisticated - so much so I genuinely couldn't work out whether he was doing the interview from a place of genuine want for authentic conversation or to amuse his 'core audience'. Probably a bit of both. We can actually gain insight into why so many boys are lonely and isolated from girls/women from this video. The story in Adin's head seems to be 'I have to find the 'right' girl/woman to get what I want' e.g. it's on the woman. What Dr K was pulling out of him was another question: 'who do I have to be to attract a girl/woman that I want?'. I hope to see more of these conversations. As difficult as they might be they are essential to bridging a gap between these rigid world views and more open compassionate world views. Sneako next please :)

[@shawn5809]

Couldn't have put it better myself, holy shit.

[@GuyLogen]

As he said in the beginning, Adin didn't even know what this was. Someone else set it up for him but told him that it was gonna be a good time. So of course you're not gonna get the genuine Adin. I think the first step to truly wanting to talk about your self and take a deep dive into your feelings is knowing beforehand what you were gonna get into and being somewhat open to the idea of it. Adin never came off as fully willing to participate in a deep dive into himself probably because he thought this was gonna be a convo where both sides shared their opinions and called it a day.

[@danethenice]

Sneako next 😂😂 I feel like even a conversation with Zherka would be more interesting to listen to then Sneako but both are probably never gonna happen

[@TJ-ml8tt]

​@@danethenice Zherka would also have the persona. Sneako is actually capable of showing an authentic self.

[@dartmansam10]

@@TJ-ml8tt The hard part is that in their spaces, being genuine is shot down. So the longer you wait to be genuine, the more you build these mechanisms to not have to be genuine. ''it is what it is, i'd rather use humor'' Like even directly after this stream sneako was making fun of adin for even talking to dr k, told him to hit the gym instead of giving a shit about his feelings. So even though adin ENJOYED the stream, it seemed pretty obvious even if he was defensive or combative at points, he then goes back to his group and gets no support, gets told to man up, not talk about how he feels, ignore his emotions. They're basically prying him away for what he says he feels he needs, which is real, deep conversation, and an outlet, or a way out from the numbness he kept describing.

[@youtubepremium9253]

Man when they started talking about women this conversation went downhill. He was doing so good, actually talking about his emotions and after that topic I felt like he closed off and started redirecting everything to the outside world and talking about his world-views. First Dr. K interview I struggled to watch

[@manga4774]

i enjoyed what he was sharing up until then, too. i also really disliked hearing his opinion on women, and how 1 dimensional he thinks we are. we are either virgins or promiscuous. while he wants to be accepted as a complex person himself he doesnt want to see women as complex people. also hes young so i hope he really grows out of that mentality. its that mentality that could keep him lonely until middle age

[@cyc_lone]

This isn't to dismiss what struggle you felt watching this interview. I just thought it was interesting why i didn't feel that familiar emotion. I believe i wasn't as unease cause i think i've grown to trust how Dr. K handles conversing with people :^)

[@youtubepremium9253]

@@cyc_loneI struggled mostly because after about an hour he seemed like he’d rather do content for his chat (always looking at them) rather than be genuine and talk about himself whereas I don’t like him and felt as though he wastes both mine and Dr. k’s time

[@seeksolace2059]

@@manga4774 when you have the amount of money he has you can never be "lonely" women flock to him like moths to a flame in LA

[@omnissiah7247]

@@manga4774 Somehow I doubt a famous guy, who doesn't look horrible, with money out the asshole and a confident/out going personality will ever struggle with female attention. Adin Ross is many things, lonely will never be one of them.

[@pyeclam]

This was genuinely painful to watch. Adin's brain is completely destroyed by living in social media and a bad environment since he was even younger than he already is. I would definitely like to see him return, but without feeling the need to constantly entertain and read his chat.

[@Kedvin7]

If you only knew what his chat was like during this session. Calling dr K LIBTARD, “ASK HIK HOW MANY GENDERS”, “CALL ANDREW TATE NOW” It is beyond fried, brain is barely hanging. If we are talking about generations, he is unfortunately a prime example of what media does to you, especially if your parents leave you to be raised by it. It is sad and will only get worse.

[@2feettotheground]

I feel like you people try to overcomplicate it, he just seems to be pretty stupid to me

[@niallinpain8827]

@@2feettothegroundlol… can’t say I never thought to agree with you I think I see benefit in trying to see why and how he is the way he is though

[@Quaberr]

And the sad thing is, there’s hundreds of thousands of guys out there that are exactly like him

[@hoangal]

The brain is still developing until the age of around 25. So yea to be in the position at such a young age and constantly like "be"the social media all the time must have really done a number to his mind

[@HunterWolf14]

As a fellow Florida (Miami) man, I know exactly what Adin was talking about. It's the same way people in my middle school, my high school and community college talked, putting so much worth on the external and casting black/white judgement on people based off ultimately minor traits. I've learned that it takes A LOT to learn to be able to see people as people and not the set of traits that you automatically assign to whatever group they are a part of, when you've been surrounded by that kind of rhetoric all throughout your development.

[@pulse3554]

Such an American / western way of thinking lmao

[@HunterWolf14]

@@pulse3554 Yeah man, we're cursed

[@joebailey8294]

This might have seemed super circular, but I feel like he successfully planted a seed of doubt in Adin’s brain

[@orionlucas3272]

My brother is very similar to adin and I think this will be very helpful in navigating conversations with him. Appreciate the work you do Doctor, it means more than you know.

[@anth_genious]

"Doctor... Could you prescribe me Lean?" "what?" 💀💀

[@sambeawesome]

I can understand people being upset that Dr. K interviewed Adin, but if this can reach Adin, or even some of his fans (including introducing them to this YT channel), that could make a difference for their lives. I think conversations, when had like this, can be important and life-changing. I hope he takes the time to properly digest this and comes out the other side better for it.

[@artaxfersarh6889]

Lmao adin is probably smoking weed now or watching TikTok’s he probably didn’t care about the whole interview

[@sambeawesome]

@@artaxfersarh6889Perhaps, but there is always a chance, either it affecting him or his fans. It certainly introduced his followers to this channel, which is already a great thing. I hope as many of them as possible get help.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

It's kinda interesting, and a little bit sad, how negatively even some parts of this community can react to the more ugly sides of someone's psyche. I think having conversations around the ugly topics is one of the most important things to do. It's the only way they ever change and people get to a healthier place! The disgust reaction people have is understandable, but also counterproductive.

[@linkhamilton6538]

Lots of people saying this was painful. I actually thought it was fascinating! Would love to see a follow up in a few months

[@woody_you_want]

I think it was very fascinating but also painful because Dr. K does such a good job and gets Adin inches away from realizing what he's saying is complete bullshit then it seems like he has to save face with his fan base

[@IgonDrakeWarrior]

His talks always are fascinating and the people who didn’t like it don’t understand how progress happens.

[@advithvashist9889]

Adin copes with his issues in a way that a lot of men do, helpful to see it from a 3rd person perspective. Definitely relate to how he talks about his issues

[@advithvashist9889]

I take back the relatable part after his description of women 😂

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

@@woody_you_want honestly I think the moment that ruined the convo was when the doctor got visibly angry at what adin said about women, which is pretty stupid considering the fact that a therapist should be working out the biases and prejudices within their patient through dialogue, not just getting angry and throwing a fit about it.

[@shadpeterson4264]

I get the topic on women is hard to listen to and feels cyclical, but its honestly the most interesting part of this conversation. This is Adin coming as close as he has thus far in truly reckoning with his demons. It's hard, sure, but it's what progress looks like sometimes. Can't expect genuine change in any person with this many defensive mechanisms in a single conversation.

[@js3836]

I completely agree. You can tell he actually understands what Dr K is telling him but doesn’t want to accept it. It’s actually so fascinating watching Dr K break it down so simply and factually but Adin backtracks and tried to explain his way out of it.

[@pauoliver]

100% Really good take and very well put. 👍

[@melikmourali2072]

Reckon with his demons as in Andrew Tate ? Dr.K literally called him Andrew at 1:35:13 😂

[@YTwoKay]

@@melikmourali2072 Holy cow I missed that slip at first

[@potroast702]

I hope they end up talking again, I feel like dr. K made a legit impact on him and more conversations could go a long way in helping adin find himself

[@tythetasmaniantiger7]

The top comment seems to be talking about Adin pushing away, but I’d say I’m super impressed with how much he revealed and spoke honestly about his experience to the best of his ability. You can tell he is genuinely trying to give his best for this interview, and I appreciate it. Expecting him to “be more genuine” when he clearly is giving the best he can is not the type of critique that should be supported. This conversation was extremely productive, not a “failed try.”

[@VioletEmerald]

Very good point. :)

[@Mark70775]

This kid, while my age, is so clearly in some absolutely insane headspace. He’s had like 5 major personality shifts in the past year, all being driven by external factors or figures like Andrew tate, which suggests he has an extremely fragile or distant sense of self. It seems silly to pity a millionaire kid who seems to make bad decision and bad opinions at every move, but I honestly wouldn’t trade my spot for his it sounds like a hell scape being so utterly controlled by clout and pleasing your (immature) chat

[@Astrothunder_]

he went from 2k streamer, to being the guy that acts gay towards rappers, to Tate meatrider, to now trying to be a wisdom guru man himself. Oh and a bit of crpyto scamming sprinkled in too. What a journey in just a few years!!

[@infinitecurlie]

Yeah. I hope someday soon that good people find their way into his life. People like Tate are just using him for clout and money and it's obv Adin would rather believe anything else. He has a lot of growing up to do. It's why making people rich and famous when they're young and that immature and prone to be scooped up by people like Tate is so dangerous.

[@TwentyEight80s]

@@Astrothunder_you are doing exactly the opposite of what Dr. K was saying. You are being judgemental

[@KenjiSummers]

Can celebrity be a pathology?

[@awwzuzu]

@@KenjiSummersit’s more of what comes with being a celebrity like internal/external pressure, influence within the social circle, having to maintain an image, etc.

[@MyNameIsNurf]

As someone in their mid-30's, this was absolutely incredible. I too was once a 20 year old boy once lmao. Dr. K did an incredible job of navigating the entire conversation.

[@Alex9ten]

now imagine at 20 you were a public figure worth millions through your own entertainment business. Incredibly hard path for Adin!

[@willow519]

​@@Alex9tenit's hard because life is too easy so he was weak

[@bluefalcon6356]

​@@willow519no, seemed like he had a lot of trauma that he never resolved because he never had to after getting millions at such a young age. He pushes down feelings and feels alone so he's perfect for blackpill/ alpha male dogma.

[@Timbobo16]

You should definitely follow up with Adin. You were successful in planting a few seeds in his mind and he is struggling with things that a lot of people face. He is not a bad person, and another conversation with him will help him and so many others.

[@bamie16]

Respect for Adin for showing up to this stream. For everyone watching Dr K's video, reflecting and recongnizing patterns is normal. But here is a guy who build massive walls and generalizations to get by. It takes hard work to break them down, and im happy Dr K kept going with him.

[@dirtspec3]

Adin's views on women are rising in popularity amongst the youth and modern day dating landscape. It deserves discussion because it reflects a lot of contemporary sociological changes.

[@michaelcueva530]

dehumanization is what it is. Its taking the reality of evolutionary psychology and instead of using it to really see human nature for what it is, it takes it as something to fight against and to resent thus women dehumanizing men and men likewise dehumanizing women once they get "red pilled". It's taking Evo psych to the extreme end

[@laurelgardner]

"Amongst the youth." So...women, too?

[@oshertoyui8545]

What adin saying was facts only unsocial kids wouldn’t understand

[@TwentyEight80s]

@@laurelgardnerhonestly yea man a lot of people have those kind of views now. It’s unfortunate to watch people form these generalizations to group complex creatures into a couple categories.

[@rasn]

@@oshertoyui8545Not true man. I’m a dude and I had best friends who were “hoes.” They are not one dimensional like Doc said, and were good people who are just in college. I have no issue with woman. The majority of men have issues because of their misogyny, not because their misogyny is true. Dr K is right. I’ve seen so many men act misogynistic and woman see it, and it ends terribly.

[@Loffy0]

I absolutely loved this. Having conversations with people we disagree with is paramount. Help remind people that these "toxic people" out there are just other human being just like us. We just happen to disagree with them on things. Keep doing what you and your healthygamer team are doing Dr. K!

[@confusedturtle183]

Totally agree!

[@skimask5933]

Bro i Keep reading this what about this kid is toxic?

[@Loffy0]

@@skimask5933 I don't think he is that's why I put it in quotes lol

[@1312noel]

It's interesting that when the direction shifted you can tell that Aidin wasn't beeing authentic anymore and shared his "mindset" that has been learned from red pill content. Also big respect to Dr. K that he sensed that! The amount of focus and professionalism is imense!!!

[@user-th1pv6ks5o]

It wasn't even HIS mindset, he just parroted a bunch of talking points. The main thing this gave me is debate fodder, I hate how to not be bashed by these men I have to be a professional therapist and also be a monk for 7 years to get them to not want to institutionalize SA. 😖

[@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384]

ya you just can see when he shut off at least a version of real adin and just went full performer

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

The reason the vibe shifted is because the doctor got really butthurt about something adin said that was considered “offensive”

[@AnaOhKay]

@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 did he?

[@theelectricant98]

​@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030what specifically

[@tobias97erdt]

I think we can agree that Dr K did the best he could do in this talk to get adin to realise the root of his issues. So I think this video clearly deserves a like even if the content was rough.

[@ptm_tobi]

Yes I'm not blaming Dr. K for anything, he did his best and tried to help someone and I really respect that even though I really dislike Adin. My like goes to Dr. K and to Dr. K alone.

[@kylespevak6781]

These kind of comments are really selfish. This conversation is not exactly for you, it's for Adin. This is real life not content. Sorry it wasn't a good episode

[@ptm_tobi]

@@kylespevak6781 I don't think that's how he meant it, he literally said it was for Adin.

[@kylespevak6781]

@@ptm_tobi the original comment has negative judgment towards the session as being not as productive as some of the others. It is completely objectifying Aiden as him being a tool for the person's entertainment. Instead you should be praising Dr k for having Aiden possibly reflects on himself more than he usually would

[@ptm_tobi]

@@kylespevak6781 As I said, I think you misunderstood. You are saying "You should be praising Dr k for having Aiden possibly reflects on himself more than he usually would" while he said "Dr K did the best he could do in this talk to get adin to realise the root of his issues" which is pretty much the same. Maybe "the content was rough" is a bit poorly worded but yet it's not wrong. It is genuinely hard to watch, yet he made clear that he respected Dr. K doing it and uploading it in the first place.

[@JoeyTen]

I really hope Dr. K has more of these conversations with Adin. I think Adin is somewhat easily influenced, but has a lot of potential. I'm not convinced that he's intrinsically a bad person. I think Dr. K could help Adin a lot. And with such a large audience, maybe Adin's progress could be a great example for many other people in his generation. I'd love to see some more of that AoE healing!

[@shadeitplease7383]

I’m close to the end and if I hear “my generation” one more time I’m gonna literally die.

[@zonk834]

Worst part of that whole segment in my opinion. Just seemed like his way of dodging accountability for his own way of thinking. You could replace “in my generation” with “from my point of view” and it would be more bearable. His whole worldview is messed up due to the people he surrounds himself with. Like come on, that’s not your “generation” that’s just your circle of friends and the people you choose to interact with.

[@cleverman383]

@@zonk834 in my generation the jedi are evil

[@IgonDrakeWarrior]

@@cleverman383Then you are lost!

[@GreenManaYo]

yea that was kinda annoying :D he can just say "my bubble" instead of "my generation"

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

@@zonk834 I’m from his generation and that’s just how we talk. We came up from Xbox live, something majority of this comment section wouldn’t be able to handle

[@Paradox-hq9uj]

This video should be a great example as to how redpill content is taking advantage and brainwashing the youth .

[@bigboibif7798]

YESSS

[@Sleezygem]

I don’t think adin makes red pill content he’s more of a gamer

[@DuckyVanya]

@@Sleezygem He isn't the red piller, he's the red pillee. Adin has been redpilled.

[@Paradox-hq9uj]

@@Sleezygem no he definitely doesn’t make redpill content, but the influence of Andrew tates ideologies has definitely skewed adins perception of the world. Especially when it comes to women.Both adin and Andrew view dating as transactions

[@3lit3gn0m3]

Both sides try to brainwash the youth, because the youth are stupid and impressionable. I'm still pretty stupid, but when I think about myself at 22 I recall being pulled to both sides...and it wasn't nearly as mentally pervasive as it is nowadays. I think it's important to call out indoctrination, but ultimately the most important thing nowadays is to find people who don't agree with you, but people who you can talk to without tribalism getting in the way of a meaningful discussion. I'd also say that it's probably now more important than ever for parents to *really* try to understand their kids. Whether it be through relating to them, teaching them or simply being a part of their life, it's probably the only 'solution' to this entire problem. That's my take, anyway...

[@iSeeSoundsShow]

As much as you may dislike Adin Ross, and as much as you might think he's an idiot, the truth is that this conversation is immensely valuable for teens his age as well as the fact that he is right about one thing: a lot of teens in his generation are like him. Using Adin as a means to have young people find themselves is incredibly valuable.

[@TryingIGuess]

I just wish they didnt find themselves by watching a guy who hangs with nazis

[@user-nn7ct3hk7c]

He’s an adult in his 20s already. I bet he’s still young but definitely not a teen

[@GreatgunYu]

@@user-nn7ct3hk7c He doesn’t act like one. It feels like he never grew out of his high school phase.

[@jamesbuildwise9141]

Really glad you had this conversation, I think it's very important that these kinds of conversations happen. Even if the people believe very different things.

[@AutobahnBuilder]

This is the hardest people to deal with. Some people just say "This is like this because it is". They are not use to critial thinking. Its hard.

[@cosodesign8953]

What’s wild about men like Adin is that they feel like they deserve a kind, thoughtful, intelligent, and chaste woman, meanwhile they themselves don’t display those character traits. Idk why they think a woman like that would want anything to do with them.

[@steflift5165]

I think they assume women should be willing to wait for a 'high value' man (rich, confident, high status), ignoring a lot of the other virtues

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

He retired his parents, he literally explains how it was his greatest achievement, meanwhile the women he encounters in his neighborhood are all onlyfans models. How do you expect him to react to this dynamic and such a contrast between character?

[@LoutreEnGoguette]

​@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030What do you mean by "contrast between characters"? What contrast?

[@IamVybez]

So it’s okay for the average woman to want a top 1% guy but it’s not okay for that top 1% guy to want a top 1% woman?

[@prod.arcsyne2990]

@@IamVybez what do you think a woman wants out of a man?

[@theyincorporated5711]

This turned into a genuine comedy special in the second hour not gonna lie I’ve never seen such a break neck 180 like this before

[@timeforamazingchest5271]

It comes out of NOWHERE it's so funny

[@sandenson]

For real, it was an actually really interesting conversation until a point (and I say this as someone who can't stand Adin) and then it just takes a left turn

[@yaggayaggaya9918]

it's literally so hard to get thru, he sounds so sure of himself. Loud and Wrong.

[@ACEMusics]

Yea. It's quiet some time that a video got me laughing as hard like this one.

[@moaydDrawing1]

aren't you so sure of yourself too when you say he's wrong? why is your views right and his wrong? @@yaggayaggaya9918

[@aidan9803]

I feel this was insightful despite our collective blood pressure spike. A lot of people are like adin. Many of us are exposed to people like adin on a regular basis, online or otherwise. It’s validating to get Dr. Ks reflections. It helps me wrap my head around people like him and the kind of movement they represent

[@aidan9803]

Not my fav interview at all though lmao. To be clear

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

I think it was one of the more important interviews, for some of the reasons you mention, and also got the chance to get through to some of those people. But I think there's a distinction to be made between "important" and "enjoyable". Some of the most important conversations to have are not enjoyable.

[@erosunderground]

“he’s a very honest guy..” “doctor, i didn’t wash my hands”

[@V3RY6]

Never thought I would actually relate to a person like Adin Ross. I have kind of the same mentality, if someone tells me to do something, my brain would want to go the opposite direction and just not do it. Say what you will about Adin but I found this interview super helpful.

[@Unknown-ud8ni]

That's a fairly common thing as far as I understand

[@beewest5704]

@@Unknown-ud8ni Yes its call the terrible twos

[@cesars.photos]

To answer Dr. K’s concern at the end, I think it was very helpful to have “controversial” people on the stream. I didn’t see it as a bad experience at all. It’s helped me remember to avoid the “It is what it is” mentality

[@sudenluola2241]

We can't reject "controversial people", since a lot of things are "controversial" whether they "should be" or not. And especially since for something to be "controversial", means that people have a strong emotional/moral response to it, and it's important to learn from it, instead of falling victim to our "automatic emotions/morals", kind of how Adin falls victim to "his own truth", we can't shut ourselves off from open mindedness, no matter how "obviously bad" something seems due to an emotional/moral response.

[@issac7787]

I think there's nuance. There are some controversial people that should never be on this interview platform. Adin was alright

[@JakovLSSJ4]

@@issac7787 fuentes?

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

Idk why he was complaining about the language used by adin. If your having a therapy session then obviously the person is gonna talk as freely as he can , unless you just want to scam your patient.

[@cesars.photos]

@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 I do agree Dr. K could’ve maybe done a better job at not getting triggered, but he’s only human. He realized it after that topic ended and went back to trying to understand Adin the best he could.

[@Welcome2It]

Dr. k “I don’t think this is the place to air out all of those traumas” Adin: “so this is the most traumatic thing to happen in my entire life”

[@busterfly131]

Doctor K, this was a master class from you. I loved seeing your skills and Intuition on display. Very powerful demonstration. I'm glad you took this chance. In the end, you reconnected him to his values (mastering things against all odds), and potentially showed him a new path to master his own inner self (and gain greater self awareness). Brilliant.

[@snasty99]

funny when Adin said his mom does "namaste and stuff like that" not knowing he's talking to an Indian man

[@bipinbisht7575]

😂😂😂😂

[@harveytimms]

I think a good question to ask Adin would be for him to define the line between what he considers and what he considers a queen. He gave examples of the extremes if each grouping but most women lie in between the two and having no defined line makes it difficult to see what his definition is and introduces a factor of interpretation of two vague groups. I think he made some very strong generalisations and I also noticed that he said he forms an emotional connection with 'queens' but I think that the reason he doesn't form emotional connections with is because of his attitude and his grouping of certain people and because he doesn't form emotional connections with them, his perceptive grouping is reinforced. Also, if the majority of women are and that people should avoid long term relationships and procreation with these people then wouldn't the birth rate decrease and the population collapse? I mean it is like saying over 50% of women should be excluded from having children. Another thing I noticed was that Adin said 'this generation is different'. I believe this was a defence mechanism to prevent Dr K from unpicking his perspective and opinions because of his differing experiences.

[@franjkav]

He splits women into two groups based on how they reply to a late night text. The text HE sent. Which he couldn’t acknowledge.

[@jamesmiddleton8335]

You know what is really interesting? Andrew Tate and Dr. K are opposite ends of the field, people are either in one corner or the other in terms of the way that Adin should think and live his life, but they both came to the same conclusion that Adin's problem is a lack of self control. They both point out to him that he is a puppet of his emotions and that that is a big problem that needs fixing.

[@spacecadetred2388]

You are right, that is wild man

[@adamcole742]

God this one is crushing. Hes such a polite guy and he has such a simple want. You can see his inner child wishing for a safe person and genuine connection and love. His whole life is transactional. In some ways its no wonder he become controversial in the ways that he did if he doesnt feel like anybody is safe or real. Its sad for the guy he could be if he could see the good in people but nobody seems to give him evidence of it and now hes cold. I used to dislike adin but now I hope he grows and learns to share himself vulnerably and learns caring. The potential is absolutely there.

[@caleb...]

Adin's mostly negative generalizations of other people, be it women, other generations, he seemed to be describing himself more than anyone else. Other generations who just "don't get it" and are unable to understand "my generation", he was the most unwilling to listen or attempt to understand. And his negative description of women who sleep around without forming emotional bonds, he literally described himself doing the exact same thing, but exclusively associated negativity of that act with "women" and not himself. 😔

[@giantpunda2911]

You pretty much said it - it's projection.

[@Ark_angel-z8q]

How did he describe women badly

[@fatesi1486]

His negative description is accurate but for the wrong reasons, he is a huge hypocrite so he has no place to speak about things but at the same time he isn't totally wrong. But baseline sleeping around for men and sleeping around for women mentally and psychologically are different but morally they are pretty similar/same that's the thing people don't get.

[@Furiac.]

Near the end he did jokingly show that he was aware that if men sleep around it's the same thing

[@kaybrarian]

@@Furiac. My internal lie detector went off when Adin said it was ok for women to be sexually promiscuous. I think he said it because he knew that's what he was "supposed" to say. From his actual words in the rest of the interview, it is clear to me that he believes there are different rules for men and women. And he believes there are rules. He's going to need to change his attitude about women if he wants to be in a healthy relationship at 40.

[@emilywania]

As a concurrent disorders counsellor, I am always fascinated with how Dr. K navigates challenging behaviours and belief systems. I have definitely learned a lot from this stream. Thank you as always!

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

So someone having a view you disagree with is now a challenging behavior or belief system now ?

[@avoidedmonster4117]

@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 yes obviously.

[@jessicest]

this was fantastic. there were multiple times in this conversation where i felt like they were clashing and not communicating at all. and so i could see no option but to them to change topics or end the conversation. but each time, dr k found some way to genuinely engage with adin's words, take them at face value, and continue the discussion while bringing it back on topic. this is wonderful and so inspiring. there is no WAY I'd be able to have a productive or even respectful conversation about these topics with adin because his beliefs are so far from my own, and we'd just butt heads and argue for sure. but i feel like dr k navigated it with profound skill and respect.

[@qwertyuiop3240]

This is actually my favourite Dr. K interview so far. It's probably because not only is it different, but it seems more "real," so to speak. Adin has a personality that reminds me of many people I know in my everyday life, and at the same time, he is a refreshing change of pace from the usual introvert-leaning, Internet savvy content creators that are featured. He's such an interestingly and profoundly conflicted dude, and I can't help but enjoy the fact that he doesn't take psychoanalysis at face value and even pushes back just because he feels like it. I really need a part 2. This is prime edutainment.

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

Adin ross won this confrontation, and yes I say confrontation, the way the doctor got angry cause of the words adin used shows that this wasn't a therapy session it was more of an ambush filled with political bias

[@spacecadetred2388]

​@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030Adin 1 Evil Plotting (Probably Radical Left) Therapist 0, cant wait part 2 of this epic Intellectual Battle

[@hellionshark3197]

@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 He said many times this isn't framed as therapy, but if you think therapists don't correct your language, you have never seen a therapist. It's not about being left or right, his fear of women is isolating him and making him lonely, and it only happens cause he is surrounded by shitty people who don't want what's best for him, they only care about optics and superficial crap.

[@wowueewow]

Thank you for actively trying to make the internet/irl a healthier place Edit: sorry I did not mean for this to sound backhanded against adin!! gl have a good day

[@wowueewow]

@Kuuuzy I didn’t listen to the full stream yet, only tuned in to the last part but what exactly is that supposed to mean?

[@grahammehl1710]

@@wowueewow probably something sexist lol i saw that dude running around the comments praising Andrew Tate, saying sexist shit and calling people liberals

[@Eggbone]

​@@wowueewowthis guy spams comments with incoherent us vs them ramblings about women, honestly im not really sure he even has a talking point that hes going off of

[@alexandermendez9013]

@@wowueewowhe’s an Incel there’s no point in trying to understand

[@aylon5829]

@@wowueewow I think it means his life is extremely sad and his only way of coping with his misery is trying to make people feel bad on the internet. It's best to just laugh at him then move on.

[@merkuree]

I think a key point required to truly appreciate this interview is to notice that right at the end of the conversation, you can see Adin is quite desperate to prolong it. My understanding is that, at his core, Adin seems very lonely and lost. He's playing the class clown act but he doesn't seem to understand what that really means. With Adin there's a very apparent yearning for real love and acceptance, but the only place he's been able to learn how to get that is from his stream chat- he has exceptionally few 'real' relationships with people, and the relationships he does have seem to be entirely transactional. Adin has said and done some pretty heinous things, but I really think that people have to remember that Adin is a 22 year old man with exceptionally little real life experience. His formative years were spent with thousands of eyes on him and thousands of voices screaming in his chat, and that's bound to do damage to a person's psyche, and is almost guaranteed to result in him saying and doing what he thinks people want to see or hear. To quote a specific point [ 2:08:04 ] Dr. K talks to Adin about the story of Buddha, and how he had everything and still wasn't happy, and I truly think this is an important thing for him to meditate on. I also think that after this part of the conversation when he asks "are you leaving me already?" you can see in real time his walls coming right back up again, because he was actually really into the conversation when he started doing it for himself and not his chat, but that time was cut short, and he'd spent so long messing around and not taking it seriously that, at that point, he'd wasted the opportunity to have his first genuine conversation in a long time. You can see in vivid detail on his face that he was so gutterally disappointed in himself for throwing this chance away in order to chase a goal that he had just learned would never bring him true happiness. Personally, I would love to see Adin back on at some point with a renewed idea of what he's getting into, and I think the last quarter or so of this conversation is incredibly important for opening the door for him.

[@TannisHenriksen]

And I hate to add the generation thing but without these online games et al there'd be the lack of the extreme lonely soooo many are enduring and literally suffering from. My two cents❤

[@TannisHenriksen]

And.. I love your comment

[@Aryan7300]

this was a great needed conversation. instead of jumping to conclusions and judging Adin, I think we can try to understand his perspective like Dr. K. We all have goodness inside of us. Thanks to both Dr. K and Adin for this interview. Sure it was challenging but this is where growth comes from.

[@joesantacruz5877]

I'm a mental health professinal and work with kids/teens/families. This was a juicy conversation to listen to that will definitely inform how I help others. I love how you asked for time to think and organize your thoughts.

[@thelouisjohnson]

These kinds of conversations are the most important to have because of how some people hold their ideas as intrinsically part of their identity. Ideas can't be questioned if people hold them so close to their understanding of who they are and become so doggedly defensive of them. Separating ideas from a person's sense of identity is some of the most important work to be done in the world today.

[@Theloveinabubble]

Well this interview is an excellent exercise to practice patience and discipline in a particular situation...

[@KoolAidIdiot]

Yeah, this convo required some monk level patience to deal with someone this stupid

[@trinsic6652]

You know that small kid in high school that hangs around the bully? That's AdinRoss... Where Streaming Platforms are the new High School and Dr K is the cool teacher who actually engages with the students. I don't have anything in particular against Adin, I'm glad Dr K is able to be open enough to engage in these types of communication nonetheless.

[@therealjordiano]

You do have something against Adin

[@bobithpopit3193]

If that's how you start your comment, then yes, you do in fact have something against adin

[@tobias97erdt]

​@@therealjordianoas many others should do after this talk...

[@trinsic6652]

​@@therealjordiano Perhaps, I'm enjoying listening to him in this conversation though. He's an interesting person. I think it's more when he's trying to be something and not himself or when he feels the need to impress. The need to impress for the validation.

[@Hawkenwhacker]

@@therealjordiano That sounded more like an observation than a solid judgment.

[@cityandgirl]

I think Adin has a lot of defense mechanisms because there are some things he has within himself that he’s not willing to accept yet. I’m not going to say what I believe those things are, but that’s genuinely what I think about him.

[@Hawkenwhacker]

Dr K did mention that after the interview. There are things there to speak on, but for Adin, now is not the time.

[@miquelmoorrees6010]

@@Hawkenwhacker but when is it the time? I understand that it definitely isn't now, but as things are going with him I can only see it worsening. Maybe an intervention type thing from people he's close to? But in all honesty I think he's hopeless

[@nickdiaz6766]

⁠@@miquelmoorrees6010If you think adin is hopeless, you haven't seen hopelessness. He wasn't ready for this conversation for a couple of reasons, but mostly because he wasn't ready to adjust his viewpoint at all. I'm not here to say whether he is right or wrong with his assertions, but he never intended on even considering that his opinions could be wrong. He will be fine. He just need time, more experience, and to develop the ability to be more open minded. The kid is only 22. Most people will have totally different viewpoints at 30 than they did at 22. It will be time when he is ready. Everyone develops differently.

[@kougamishinya6566]

He needs to have a private talk with Adin off stream

[@fujster]

give him 3 more sessions mate in this context the right time is when he has started to understand himself and mentally agree he needs to start recovering or what not@@miquelmoorrees6010

[@prod.starstruck]

i see everyone talking down on this interview but it helped me a lot because im similar to adin in a sense that i have adhd and feel emotionless often so the first half of the interview was really insightful for me

[@Zerroth]

I am almost 40 and alone. Doesn't bother me. Used to be terrified of being alone up until my late 20s then had to get used to it for my survival. Now I feel fine most of the time. I feel loneliness and depression sometimes but they always pass. Dr K says nobody wants to be wants to single at 40. I certainly agreed with that up until a few years ago. Now that just doesnt matter anymore. I just focus on some goals each day and chill out. I am fine with being sibgle until death.

[@timeforamazingchest5271]

Based and contentment-pilled

[@griffiththechad9483]

Absolutely based

[@norochmusic]

i feel like he is trying to be genuine but also always wanting to be right even when he knows he is wrong, it's very interesting as a conversation, Dr K was holding his calm so well.

[@ronwisegamgee]

He talks about how meaningless sex is unfulfilling, but then he mentions that once he nuts, he doesn't want to have anything to do with the woman he had sex with. In my experience, talking to your sexual partner after sex, even if it's just getting to know them, can get to a point where it's more fulfilling then the sex itself. Two people getting to know each other, even if it's only for like five minutes or so, feels good. I honestly can't imagine myself at least not making the attempt to build some rapport post-coitus if the sexual encounter was, at the very least, cordial.

[@Alex-js5lg]

And for someone who's awkward and wants a good starting point, "good game" usually gets a groan or a laugh and breaks the tension.

[@samathum4711]

Depends on the person. If it's a girl that's into meaningless sex , she's pretty unlikely to be capable or wanting of real talk or a real relationship

[@Opinions0022]

Your conversations do way more help than harm. This is what free speech is meant for

[@ryanfrank1309]

Yes. I don't care if some people, hell if the majority of people found it hard to watch (I did at times too). He's a human just like any of us and it was honestly disheartening to see how many people wrote him off before the conversation even took place. What's the point of any of Dr. K's work if we're unable to empathize and humanize people we disagree with. I can't help but wonder if the reason people didn't want this conversation to happen, was because they couldn't hate him anymore or as much if they understood him.

[@Candlesmith]

@@ryanfrank1309it’s because many people feel he is too far gone and has been a harmful influence to many. Play forming him and his views could be seen as harmful as well. I thought it was an interesting viewpoint into who he is.

[@bo_rat]

@@ryanfrank1309 youre right, but i think it stems from the fact that this is how most people are treated when they treat others like how you said. he cant empathize or humanize a whole half of the population, which makes it hard to empathize with what he’s feeling in return

[@ryanfrank1309]

@@bo_rat I agree with that completely. He dehumanizes because he's fundamentally afraid of being alone. People who identify or empathize with the groups he attacks are afraid he'll create more people who will attack them (I don't have the precise reason figured out, I'll have to think about it for a few weeks). So they dehumanize him in return. Both sides come from fear. The first step is to step back and realize both sides are fundamentally doing the exact same thing. I see this in the political landscape ad nauseam. The cure is to choose empathy and understanding despite the fear. The real problem that needs addressing is why are so many young men terrified of being alone and what can we do to alleviate that.

[@manhattanvi]

"no adin bad"

[@HelloCoco888]

PLEASE do another follow up chat with Adin. It’s my first time seeing your channel but I really enjoyed this a lot and I’m definitely going to check out your other videos. Please don’t listen to any complainers, these conversations are a valuable opportunity to learn about people, perhaps in a more holistic manner to what is otherwise seen online. Ignorance thrives when we stop viewing each other as human beings. You do an awesome job at getting someone to tap in to and disect their thought processes/behaviors. It is very rare to see somebody able to confidently challenge another persons viewpoint without coming across as either combative or condescending (even slightly). Your approach is far more effective in achieving genuine interaction and responses. Sure Adin is not perfect but I think he’s a good kid with a genuine heart who’s just doing his best out here.

[@dropkickpherby6994]

Adin has the *potential* to be a good kid and a good man...but where he is at right now? He has a looong way to go. We shall see though.

[@Krab062]

I’m almost half way through, but honestly its hard to watch…

[@zabuma]

Welcome!

[@wyattbogart203]

I never really comment serious stuff like this, but I feel obligated to because I learned a lot watching this. Honestly it was a hard watch but I want to thank you both for having this discussion. I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels like this either.

[@jayabegglen4665]

I was pleasantly surprised by this. I’m not a fan of Adin’s content but it’s nice seeing him be open to discuss his “behind the scenes”

[@carlisborgon]

He stopped listening halfway thru cause he talked himself into a corner. There isnt a single good person around him cause the people he admires arent good people, but hes a slave to them now. The most toxic part is those people have built an iorn clad defence against the people he would really need. I really feel like hes a victim of grooming, and until he recognizes that hes not gonna change at all

[@ginguu2490]

What's terrifying is that this is the story of Kanye. He is in Kanye's position from around 2018-2019, except he is just about dipped his toes in the 2023 Kanye era. It isn't looking good, but hopefully his age will save him from solidifying his position.

[@kylespevak6781]

Tell anything about this guy but hearing that he was proud to retire his parents makes my heart happy

[@jennifermackinnon6982]

You can't retire a human being. You might retire a horse. Tate started that demeaning disgusting phrase.

[@bruhattherate]

It might make your heart happy but he doesn't make a woman's heart happy whenever adin says almost anything about them

[@kylespevak6781]

@@jennifermackinnon6982 Literally retirement 😂 How do you take the concept of making it so your parents never have to work again, and make it a bad thing? It's what PRETTY MUCH everyone would do if they had the money, otherwise they'd be heartless

[@TheMrComentarista]

I am from Adin's generation. I absolutely don't see just two types of women and I haven't heard that narrative being talked of in my circle.

[@Rach_Patato]

Dr K this was a really tough conversation but I really encourage you to continue to bring on people who create tough conversations. I don't think it would work if this was all your conversations, the stream was incredibly tense. But we (society, culture, "our generation" what have you) don't know how to have conversations like this. There are plenty of hard conversations that people need to have but no one gives them the space for. You demonstrate how to offer space while being respectful even in heavy disagreement. I think "we" need to be able to see that while we may not understand another persons viewpoint, they are equally looking at us struggling to understand our viewpoint. That doesn't make them someone worth beating down because we don't understand, and vice versa. It means we need to put in effort to understand, not always label someone an A**-hol3 because its easier to be upset with them.

[@tirecs04]

People call this a conversation, and it WAS until Adin decided to "school" Dr. K. The fact that any humanity on Adin's part was visible in this stream gives me hope for him. While I do think a part 2 would be good, it should be spaced out with a rec from HealthyGamerGG to Adin for CBT work for at least a few months before coming back. Dr. K reached his limit and I had several times, too. The audience could feel the same. Too much too soon might not get as much views.

[@tomoakley760]

I didn't catch the full conversation in its entirety but I get the sense that he is one of those people who are actually worse off for this conversation being live streamed to the public. Even when he was seeming to acknowledge some personal issues I got the sense there was something performative about it. Like, there was a brief flash where he genuinely got emotional about being a "puppet" to his audience, but then almost instantly there's a shift where he starts playing up this genuine realisation to generate more drama in the chat. I relate to his ADHD habit of getting distracted by the live chat but his whole self image seems to derive from what chat is feeding to him. He's not an individual at that point, he's just an entity swayed at the whims of "his generation". He's the sort of person who would benefit the most from private therapy sessions, but by making that conversation public is just feeding the beast that controls him. Dude needs to become an individual and not just an amalgamation of what his chat expects him to be.

[@_Malvar]

the best thing adin could do for himself is abandon streaming culture and abandon everything he believes about life, and start new. go to college, get jobs, experiment, make normal friends, and experience a normal life surrounded by genuine people. hes so young and he has so much to learn, but hes been backed into a small corner of the world, held there by his fans and his "friends". its limited his experiences, views, and potential. i think redemption is possible for him.

[@dacke9265]

I actually liked the interview, I think for me it really helped empathize with someone I really couldn't before, thanks for that!

[@chtrxarya]

I appreciate this talk with Aiden and for the way he authentically reacted to Dr K and he was extremely respectful and loving.

[@eawil-sunart]

As a 46 yr old woman I am really beginning to think that something very powerful is causing a disconnect across this world. It’s kinda like some people have lived a decade longer while others stood still . Sometimes even the def of words are so polar opposite … we are hearing 2 different conversations …

[@yerva01]

I loved this conversation, I feel you gave him a lot to think about and is a big push in the right direction for him

[@nikzori]

There sure is a lot of irony in people being upset over Dr.K having a conversation with Adin. If Adin is wrong, this is one of the best places to change his mind and set him on a better path and to make him a healthier influence for his viewers. Also, as awful as it may sound, his struggle and thoughts on women and dating have been a part of the norm for male spaces probably since forever. It's monogamous, love at first sight, 'till death does us apart, romcom idea of love confronted with reality of relationships being a complex, living and not always positive thing that you can't just complete like a MMORPG quest. And as you can see with Adin, dudes (or, I guess, people in general) don't want to dig through their emotions and figure out what makes a good relationship, they'd rather follow some arbitrary rules about body count, make up pills and sexual capitalism and whatever else. So I am very happy that Dr.K provides a space where these ideas about relationships can at least be addressed instead of just saying that they're awful and shunning the person. You won't beat ignorance with ignorance.

[@mrjupaol]

I truly admire You Dr K. I am new to the channel, just watched a couple of Your vids in a search for resolving my own issues. What a conclusion at the end! I always felt like im overthinking every perspective about almost anyone i engage and find myself "getting into another ppls shoes" all the time and that it was hindering me greatly in life in general. But WOW, i just realised that maybe at the end of the day i am privileged to get to think that way, always trying to see the secong, third etc. bottom of things before i judge anyone, and maybe actually should study to become a psyhiatrist. I watched the entire interview btw. Felt a rollercoaster of emotions while listening to You two talking. Thank you for all of Your angelic patience. You are defenetely a man on the misssion to make our world a better, more bearable place. Great indian dad impressions. You're S TIER overall, remarkable job imho. Lots of love for You and your family from Poland.

[@kylespevak6781]

He reminds me of some people I would refer to as "fake open minded", at least with the girl thing. He talks in a way that makes him sound like he is extremely open-minded and very deep but at the same time he is unwilling to change any thoughts that he already holds. Truly open-minded people are extremely willing to be wrong and usually end up challenging their own thoughts Edit: You can tell when after arguing with Dr k over the fact that he won't change his mind he almost immediately says that he understands over time people change their perspectives. Dr Kay even pauses for a second seemingly in frustration

[@Kirithキリス]

I agree in that he seems to have learned that "I'm ignorant" is the "get out of engagement free card" that lets him come off as open-minded, but granting him the grace to stay closed-minded. I'm glad that Alok decided not to entertain that (as best he could) since that's a manouvre to let someone who is challenging him to, essentially, feel good about themselves deciding not to engage any more. "well, he'll learn with time" is a nice way for a more experience person to stop putting the energy into engaging in a fatiguing interaction. It seems like Aiden has unconsciously learned that is a very effective strategy to avoid psychologically threatening interactions. Essenitally, leverage his age, and the primacy of having having personal limited experience to stroke the other person's ego so they will, essentially, give up on him

[@boomynote]

Regarding the “fake open minded” concept, I’ve noticed that a lot of self-described open minded people aren’t actually all that open to concepts and ideas that they’ve already dismissed. The ideas people are open minded towards are generally ideas that fit into their overall perspective & world view. People also generally view themselves as more open minded than others, ESPECIALLY when it comes to people who they’ve determined to be wrong. I don’t have a point here nor am I disagreeing with anything I’m just saying stuff

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

The doctor didn’t bring any compelling reason as to why the promiscuity of women shouldn’t matter , he simply stated that it’s a societal construct but that isn’t a valid argument against it. The doctor had too much bias in this discussion

[@hmyesmoment1683]

This video was really entertaining, watching two completely different personalities collide 💀

[@eclipsed_oracle6818]

Certainly one way of putting it. I understand why some people couldn’t get through the whole thing but I will say I enjoyed it.

[@jubiterr]

I couldn’t put my figure on why this gave me second hand embarrassment but it’s similar to when i engage with people with NO amount of self awareness. I don’t actually know Adin and this is just a snippet of his persona but he seems to only react. I don’t sense any introspection or reflection. It’s just reaction to external factors, like an actual NPC. Kudos to Dr. K for this lesson on meeting people where they are and relentless willingness.

[@Ejadedejong]

please talk with him again in the future, he has such a big influence and he is definately able to grow, he just needs time and good people around him. Like everyone in life. Good talk dr K.

[@steggopotamus]

"just needs" boy you make it sound so easy so many people push away the healthy people in their lives because they're so committed to their world view. It's hard to say which way someone will go..

[@Ejadedejong]

@@steggopotamus you are right! But I try to believe in possibilities and positivity. Even when I am proven wrong from time to time. Imagine he looks at the comments. I hope he can see that people do believe that he has a good person inside of him. And that we wish him the best. Really.

[@steggopotamus]

@@Ejadedejong i try to be positive too. But, not quite that positive. Lol. "i hope they put the work in" is more my vibe.

[@Ejadedejong]

@@steggopotamus that’s a fair mentality! Don’t expect too much but hope for the best!

[@invisible1199]

People commenting that the discussion went downhill are missing the bigger picture. For any perspective shift to happen, one must be willing to trudge through discomfort, including having uncomfortable conversations where you don't necessarily agree at face value. Dr K. did an excellent job exercising empathy throughout, even mirroring Adin's vibe and language to an extent. The challenge of it all produced some valuable insight, not just for Adin, but for myself and many viewers, I strongly believe. In order to understand ourselves better, it's going to have to be necessary to look beyond the words that people use, rather, examine where their behavior comes from by putting ourselves in their shoes.

[@Doubtlessly]

He hasn’t considered for one second that technology is making his life worse. He brought his phone up to shame older generations/feel superior, but it’s so telling that he thinks he’s more informed. I rolled my eyes so hard. He struggles to understand that algorithms give him one tailored view of reality. The fact that he thought his viewpoints were objective was so sad.

[@hawgslam4]

you could have just summed it up as hes not very bright you dont need to use big words. hes simply not intelligent enough to grasp what doctor k is saying

[@Doubtlessly]

@@hawgslam4 It’s not a matter of intelligence. There is a difference between wisdom and intelligence. He lacks perspective.

[@hawgslam4]

@@Doubtlessly they go hand and hand. you dont have to try to sound biblical and you dont have to convince yourself adin is smart.

[@ninjycoon]

The final monologue is extremely powerful and is the most important part of this video.

[@Backupallstars]

Gotta love the irony of him “feeling open minded” and then proceeding to be as close minded as it gets. I hope he at least was able to recognize that.

[@RTHbeto27]

Even as someone on the way to become a therapist yeah this one was though but i learned a lot from Dr Goat, his words after Admin left really moved me and it's why I want to be a therapist someday

[@lancegalera]

as a 20 year old in this generation, i just wanna say Adin Ross does not speak for us. His world view and experiences are completely different from an average 20 year old

[@Balona-xl7lb]

im 20 and adin is 100% right

[@meownover1973]

​@@Balona-xl7lbdamn that's nothing to brag about

[@TwentyEight80s]

Everyone speaks for themselves. I am not a fan of people trying to speak for others.

[@dameiondarthard3878]

it’s insane that me and adin are the same age, i genuinely thought he was the same age as kai, and even kai can be more mature than him

[@SquishyDaFeeshy]

I think him deflecting his thoughts as “this is just my generation” is in itself a coping mechanism

[@kylespevak6781]

I find that people who are extremely worried about having a spouse are often not content with themselves evidenced by this guy. You don't need somebody to be your rock when you can be your own rock and unfortunately a lot of people don't realize that and instead use somebody else as their emotional crutch instead of growing as a human being

[@kc-nh1zt]

For anyone wondering, it isn’t just adin Ross that holds these views on women/“our generation”. I have friends that I have had bar for bar the exact same conversation that took place in this video.

[@franjkav]

We know

[@Magfnneto]

Dr. K: He's a really genuine guy. Me: I don't quite see it Dr. K, but I'll take your word for it. Adin: I didn't wash my hands. Me: Yea, he's genuine. Lmao.

[@samuelgarces2226]

He's genuine, but easily influenceable

[@Golgibaby]

Schema, experience, ideology, beliefs, behavior, judgement, defense mechanisms...and what really incentivizes behavior change when it conflicts with beliefs and identity and previous experiences. As much of a whirlwind of the conversation was (again the dynamics being clarified and expanded was helpful) there is so much room and potential and growth for further self discovery here. There is a high from further self discovery and learning and expansion too.

[@Luzkan]

1:30:00 Just some thoughts - Adin has shared his drive for grinding the hard stuff in previous hour. Adin just wants to have the one he can grind for. At the same time, he is already so well enough with status, that "getting" woman is not a challenge, which makes him miserable. As a third, he interacts with woman through internet, which gives a substantial chance that from his internet environment, the woman knows or would eventually know how he is and thus, make him desirable and thus, making the whole interaction easy. His story about random girl in Europe shows that, the girl he met, was not aware or cared (because of different environment) about his accomplishments, and thus, he could get a fair dating game.

[@marreco6347]

That's a brilliant read on it. Yeah, he wants a new challenge more than love, proper.

[@paigehansen8944]

Respect to you for engaging in this dialogue. Sorry you’re fried, I hope you spent some time with your family and you’re feeling better now !