HEATED!! Invincibles or Centurions?! | Super Fan Debate (Ft. Big Steve & Buvey)

[@99whizzman13]

Robbie calling Man City fans desperate even though they're winning the league every season 😆.

[@Nne-nne]

They’re desperate to be something. We all know they’re buying the league and won the lottery.

[@swigword]

​@@Nne-nnecry some more ya schmuck

[@ianrayson9764]

The 1888-89 season was Preston North End's first season in the Football League, which had just been founded. Because of this Preston became one of the founder members of the Football League. Preston were very successful during the season as they went on to claim the league and cup double without being defeated.

[@HanifStormborn]

The projection by Arsenal fans is mind boggling 🤣🤣🤣

[@logirex]

I get it though because if they don't big up the invincibles season they got nothing. They have not won the league for more than 20 years now and never in their history have they won the Champion League. When that is the case you have to try and make the invincibles into the best thing ever. The funny thing is the invincibles season also had them kicked out of the league cup, fa cup and champions league 🤦‍♂

[@m.fuzailbandarkar7023]

Id choose Centurions but I respect the Invincibles....Both are amazing achievements

[@MrMessyb]

Both great achievements but invincibles is HARDER to do!!! Centurions you can afford to lose FOUR games. Invincibles, if you lose ONE game then you have to wait until the next season to start again. It is MUCH harder!!

[@samiulhuda4001]

@@MrMessyb thing is no one goes for invincibles. teams are pushing on all fronts now players are rotated sometimes weaker 11 gets beat. not to mention level of lower teams is way better now. also if you ask me winning 34 games is a season is harder than winning 26 games. invincible thing has also an element of luck involved. if van nistelroy scores that penalty no invincible.

[@tb3616]

@@MrMessyb 100 points is harder because when a game is drawing, you have to risk losing to win games. You can’t settle for draws. If both teams were in the same league and the centurion were in the same season City would have won the league

[@MrMessyb]

@@samiulhuda4001 they cheated to get the penalty in the first place, so that point is irrelevant.

[@hyywe240]

​@@MrMessyb you arent trying to not lose. Youre trying to get the most points. That should be the argument done

[@TobiSN14]

Fair play to City though. Imagine a season where Liverpool were centurions and invincible.

[@daboyfernando6033]

We were so close 😂 maybe in an alternative universe we beat city that season 😂

[@Dasni12]

​@@daboyfernando6033 forget city you lost to Watford mate

[@daboyfernando6033]

@@Dasni12 that’s a different season. The season we lost the league to city with 97 points in 18/19 we only lost one game that season which was to City at the Eithiad. If we had won that game we would have been both centurions and invincibles

[@LeviEllis85]

@@daboyfernando6033could of should of would of but you didn’t so 🤫

[@krypt4226]

@@LeviEllis85 I don’t know why people use “of” instead of “have”.

[@dantralius9269]

Centurions broke 12 RECORDS IN ONE SEASON. Most important ones were: 1. First team to ever get 100 points. 2. Broke the goal scoring record for a single pl season (106) 3. First team to ever win 32 games in a single PL season. 4. Highest points tally ahead of second (19) 5. Broke club record of 31 wins in a single season (that was in championship). 6. Most successive PL wins (18). 7. Highest away points tally. 8. Most teams beaten in a single season. 9. Equalled earliest title win ever. 10. Highest ever goal difference. Other records: Foden youngest player to get PL winner's medal and most possession against Everton - 82.1%. A couple of these records were broken by Liverpool, but my point still stands.

[@anthonyze]

Still taking invincible season 😂

[@dennisr263]

Despite all that, they lost a game, cry me a river mate 🤣👍🏽

[@dantralius9269]

@@dennisr263 Despite all that, we achieved the highest points total ever recorded in PL history.

[@samiulhuda4001]

@@dennisr263 ya but centurions would beat that invincible team on the pitch.

[@benng8730]

But you all lost 2 games Arsenal didn't even lost a game.

[@MancityRecap]

The funny part is mancity stopped chelsea and liverpool from going unbeaten 😂😂😂

[@23293]

lol

[@superguy1230]

Every club’s objective each season is to accumulate as many points as they can in 38 games. That is the whole point of a league campaign. So I think 100pts is the better achievement. I look at a invincible season as a side mission. No one makes going unbeaten their main objective for the season, especially not Pep.

[@KeepitontheDeckPodcast]

Couldn’t agree more. Arsenal fans talk about the invincible season as it’s a tangible thing when it’s really not. No top team goes out to try stay unbeaten , they go out to win games. That being said it is still an unbelievable achievement and very hard to do. Plus the treble is in another universe compared to going invincible.

[@rotm8050]

Buvey is such a troll❤🤣🤣

[@millsy1544]

Biggest one around

[@aavery3931]

Can’t stand him 😂

[@caps8723]

This was a painful watch as an Arsenal fan 🫣

[@drempi3735]

Man City in 2018 scored the most Goals in EPL history (106) Recorded the most Wins in EPL history (32) And the most points in EPL history (100) They also recorded the longest winning streak in a single season in EPL history (18 games) Arsenal's invincibles is very impressive, but City were just too dominant in 17/18 for me to look past them I'll go with City's Edit: I forgot to mention - City won the EPL with the highest ever points margin (+19 points ahead of 2nd placed Man Utd) - they also won the league with 5 games to spare

[@jorgedelarosa7550]

not dominant enough since they didnt go invincible ;)

[@kattphatt]

@@jorgedelarosa7550 Invincibles 1 trophy, Centurions 2 trophies.

[@negberrrr]

@@jorgedelarosa7550 sure the invincibles were very dominant drawing to portsmouth and birmingham 🤣

[@TheDecline99]

@@negberrrrreally? You got no right to talk. Third in a two horse race. Remind me when you last dominated anything? 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@MrMessyb]

Both great achievements but invincibles is HARDER to do!!! Centurions you can afford to lose FOUR games. Invincibles, if you lose ONE game then you have to wait until the next season to start again. It is MUCH harder!!

[@Frassoutt99]

They are both great achievements that are unique to each team let’s just love it for what it is

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

City - can't Draw games in race with Arsenal - Drew 12 games Arsenal Invincibles would be fighting for Top4 in Centurions City Era,no?😂

[@deeray4637]

​@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeingsshutup.

[@I_F_O_R_G_O_T]

@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings 💀

[@f_man2733]

@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings are you ok upstairs … that arsenal team was magic. Don’t no what ur you started watching footy mate

[@whywhaay6638]

Wouldn’t be a very long video if they came to that conclusion 😂

[@lyndonsaunders8009]

Neither has been done more than once. So that ends the debate.

[@CE77777]

Word lol, call it a tie and done 😂 Invincibles better though 😶‍🌫️

[@lyndonsaunders8009]

@@CE77777 😂😂

[@thetruth4654]

Both Juventus and AC Milan have had Invincible seasons. So it has been done atleast three times at the highest level of football. So as a neutral Centurions are the better achievement.

[@josephmark9944]

@@thetruth4654Madrid,Barca,Celtic have also had 100point seasons

[@lyndonsaunders8009]

@@thetruth4654 in the prem??

[@crushalbanks9110]

This show is better than Netflix an big Steve i respect alot but it has to be the invincibles for me!! COYG 🔴⚪🇯🇲

[@oooo1110]

If Invincible Arsenal and City Centurians💯 played a whole season together the City Centurians💯 will win the league title and Arsneal going Invincible will not be talked about. Confirmed. Now you make your decision.

[@emmawambi2211]

The thing is the gold trophy is never mentioned because it's second nature that a club is expected at least to lose a game!

[@metacommentary6791]

there wpuld be no trophy is both seasons happened at the same time. City would have just been 10 points clear and won

[@mpd7878]

WHATS STEVE ON ABOUT OUR CHAIRMAN MADE UP A TROPHY?? THE GOLD PREM IS FROM THE PREM, ARSENAL DIDNT MAKE IT 😂

[@f_man2733]

Such a weirdo ain’t he 😂

[@9751_]

@@f_man2733he’s a real fan unlike you

[@mcfcok1683]

@@f_man2733he’s been to the emirates more than you 😂😂😂

[@23293]

Hes bald for a reason

[@fr8st903]

@@23293Lol, saying that when there’s 3 bald Arsenal fans there is jokes…😂

[@myp3tmonster]

This debate will always rage with both sets of fans thinking their achievements were better, as a great man once said "everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home"

[@sagacity7819]

Picking Aguero over Henry is pure delusion 😂

[@CasperDAFriendlyBulldog]

Henry 2 prems won aguero 5….

[@Kdee-]

@@CasperDAFriendlyBulldogso? Giroud won a European trophy with an English side. Henry didn’t. Does that mean Giroud is automatically better than Henry. Pure delusion

[@ishanthapa7781]

@@Kdee- Its not just aguero has won 5 premier leagues and Henry 2. Aguero has more PL goals with better efficiency, more goals against big 6, more hattricks, goals in finals. What has henry over aguero? speed lol.

[@isaacsolis3431]

@@ishanthapa7781👏👏

[@kylevinyard7287]

​@@Kdee-GIROUD WON THE EUROPA LEAGUE WITH CHELSEA IN 2019 AND THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE IN 2021 WITH CHELSEA he's france 🇫🇷 all time record goalscorer

[@SS-jn8hl]

“You can draw every game and relegate”, but that’s not what happened? You can also get 100 points and not win the league.., maximum is 114 points, so theoretically another team can have more than 100 points and win the league

[@tb3616]

But the main goal is league football is to accumulate as much points as possible lol.

[@artemlobov9768]

100 points > 90 last time I checked

[@craigcorbet]

Wobbie:- Spring’23: We’ve got bigger fish to fry. A blessing in disguise. Summer’23:🤐 Autumn’23: We’ve got a harpoon for these sharks. Winter’23:🤐

[@liamthompson2604]

The biggest achievement in English football at the moment is the quadruple. As much going a season unbeaten and gaining a 100 points is a fantastic achievement they can’t compare to winning all 4 competitions.

[@backbencher10054]

Buvey is Box Office 😂😂

[@bub-games]

Box office flop. He's not funny he's just an ex Man u fan who followed the money.

[@backbencher10054]

@@bub-games Dosen't matter if he was an Ex Man U or Ex Arsenal or Ex Whoever, The thing is sometimes when u are talking tactics,stats,eye test etc etc U need a bit of Fun & Banter which he provides

[@animalkingdom867]

The moment i won the champions league ,i stopped arguing with teams that havent won it. It would be disrespecting for me to argue back.

[@Sproles11]

Once Robbie admitted that the Treble was better than the invincibles, I was fine.

[@Periodik]

It’s not true though. Man U and Man City both have won trebles. Neither have ever gone invincible. The harder feat is never losing a game the entire season due to it’s rarity.

[@broman1429]

​​@@Periodikyet centurions has also been achieved once😂

[@samiulhuda4001]

@@Periodik please treble is way harder than invincible.

[@Sproles11]

@@Periodik so you’d rather go a PL season unbeaten than win the treble?

[@EnzoPepsiCola]

​@@broman1429Liverpool literally got 99 points the same year showing how poor the rest of the league were

[@jayjay-nk8eu]

An important aspect that everyone seems to forget was how the media was pumping up opposition teams to finally be the one to topple Arsenal's record. Even the poor teams in the league were motivated and up for a scrap to stop Arsenal owning the title of INVINCIBLE

[@samiulhuda4001]

and there were loads more poor teams back then compared to now. not to mention top teams didnt play 60+ matches a season

[@jayjay-nk8eu]

@samiulhuda4001 the amount of games was the same as it is now. Yeah my point was the teams were so pumped up and played very aggressive to make sure Arsenal wouldn't go unbeaten as it was seen as disrespectful

[@janeeccleston9196]

Is it even a debate …100 points every day .

[@sheepy7021]

City’s longest unbeaten run is 30 games, 4 Drawn. Arsenals highest points gained in a single season is 90 points.. invincible season. The points gained in a single season record has been broken many times, recently.. the other hasn’t. Yes, you won the treble.. but you’ve got 9 league titles, Everton too.

[@ianrayson9764]

The 1888-89 season was Preston North End's first season in the Football League, which had just been founded. Because of this Preston became one of the founder members of the Football League. Preston were very successful during the season as they went on to claim the league and cup double without being defeated.

[@Louiesarge1]

@@ianrayson9764 doesn’t really count because the first division actually became the EFL championship when the prem was created

[@MrAndreyoung]

Wenger said he was going to go unbeaten and did it is very cold … to say u don’t want it sounds like your afraid of the challenge to even try it … other teams have done both achievements *in different leagues* but as a prem achievement the gold trophy argument is “do it “ and end the argument if it being irrelevant

[@whitehallavenue1752]

Dozen Draws

[@BestInTheWorld13x]

Can't take ppl seriously in debate of the Premier League involving The Invincibles who say "12 draws" " 38 draws still gets u relegated" "no1 cares about the trophy/achievement" and divert back to another competition😂. City fans started moving after the CL win

[@kingluis6360]

End of the day, if both of those achievements were in the same season, Arsenal would walk away without a trophy, as they’d finish 10 points behind City.

[@alfiebarker7724]

Arsenal didn't even go invincible, lost in the champions league, lost in the league cup and lost in the fa cup

[@awokenkekw2866]

2 draws =2 points 1 win 1 lose =3 points its simple centurions better

[@MrMessyb]

Both great achievements but invincibles is HARDER to do!!! Centurions you can afford to lose FOUR games. Invincibles, if you lose ONE game then you have to wait until the next season to start again. It is MUCH harder!!

[@klinical]

“You keep belittling the fact that we went unbeaten, go do it then” Okay bro go get a 100 points in a season then we’ll wait ⏳

[@ErlingEra]

Big Steve and Buvey cooked them😂

[@bremember]

The strength of the current league is miles from when the invincible players played, the clubs are a lot wealthier with better players. Centurions broke many records

[@Coach-nb4sq]

As an Arsenal fan, I respect both the centurions and the invincibles both are great achievements. But the Chelsea team of 04/05, their record of 15 goals conceded will NEVER be broken.

[@jamz22]

Yeah I be honest that is a crazy achievement also that gets overlooked all the time

[@Footy_editz453]

Agreed. That 15 goal season is the best achievement

[@2511dhall]

Also it was great that it ended a 9 year duopoly.

[@Coach-nb4sq]

@@2511dhall 🤣😂

[@04h239]

Arsenal fans should be thanking city for stopping another team going invincible on 2 occasions, Chelsea in 2004 and Liverpool in 2019

[@ZAK5678]

Invincible is more impressive because it means not one team in the whole league could better us, no off nights , whereas city had two nights where a team was better than them

[@SS-jn8hl]

@@Leeroy-pl6rtbut that isn’t what happened? Each season is different let alone seasons that are 14 years apart

[@ZAK5678]

@@Leeroy-pl6rt undefeated brooooooooo just accept it

[@mrhussain9008]

Unbiased Villa fan, Invincibles is more difficult imo but it's not something any manager tries to achieve tbh.

[@ianrayson9764]

The 1888-89 season was Preston North End's first season in the Football League, which had just been founded. Because of this Preston became one of the founder members of the Football League. Preston were very successful during the season as they went on to claim the league and cup double without being defeated.

[@Fortis-Gooner]

City don't rate anything they haven't done. B4 last season they didn't rate the Champions League as well.

[@Rooler694]

They don't rate anything since they were created in 2010

[@kunyagooner]

PLEASE USE MY ARGUMENT ON THE Show LADS!!! premier league play is all about points. To go Undefeated is a massive accomplishment but the fact remains that 100 points is more than what the invincibles picked up that year. If the two teams were playing in The same year, city would be champions and no one would have given the invincibles as much credit. Hate to say it as an Arsenal supporter but 100 points city team is the bigger accomplishment between them.

[@glennicholls1971]

If you say so mosh

[@kunyagooner]

@@kunimitsune177 baseball?

[@OssianF1]

At the end of the day I don’t think invincible will be sone again, but 100 points is better than 90 so ik what’s better

[@amorphous7474]

​​@@OssianF1Agreed because Premier League is like the Super League. All the billionaires are flocking in. Premier League in 2004 was objectively easier.

[@2for10]

@@amorphous7474No chance was it easier. It was more even. Other than United no club had big money to spend and run away with the league.

[@clemorgan0]

If you can't win a game don't lose it...that is the mentality of every team...

[@Arty2senis]

Invincibles is crazy to achieve, especially telling you gonna go before season starts. That's Wenger's brilliance. Centurions is great achievement, but on that season Liverpool were close to centurions as well. And that's because a league was very poor that year.

[@vocalrush16]

Liverpool were close to being invincible to you muppet. They lost only 1 game that season.

[@yanoyup6260]

Bar united and an upcoming Chelsea, everyone else were average when the invincibles happened

[@frankfestus114]

Gerard rangers was invisible so it can be done

[@AJ-nd4nk]

It wasn't a poor league.. Liverpool were just too good that season.

[@Arty2senis]

@@Leeroy-pl6rt but still both teams lost. And the year after Liverpool lost when they could be Invincibles, but couldn't finish the dinner.

[@rob3018]

*Invincibles* Thierry Henry, Dennis Bergkamp and crew- they were just too good!😮🎉

[@bahjabilan2652]

They couldn’t even win ucl

[@SS-jn8hl]

@@bahjabilan2652it only took man city billions of pounds and years of choking to artificially win by cheating to get theirs

[@superspursjb]

😂😂😂

[@jerrydboss7251]

Invincibles don't win the league with that point tally nowadays

[@slxmbrady7757]

The quality of all the teams in the prem has changed since the invincible season. Yes, a team with over 100 points would beat a team with less points and no losses. But the only real way to compare the two sides would be to have them face the same clubs with the same players for a whole season. I think the fact that the invincibles were not worse than their opponents on any single match day for a whole season means more. The points earned at the end of the season is an arbitrary number that basically sums up the relation between how good the team is and how all of their opponents are. In the case of city, they were disproportionately better than other prem teams the centurion season. Does not apply to 03/04 invincible season and I would bet that city squad would not have won the prem that season.

[@rocketboy9476]

Facts!

[@keesspek8419]

And the invincible squad wasn’t bought like City squad

[@Markyy____]

@@keesspek8419 played for free did they? all local lads as well?

[@MrAndreyoung]

Henry

[@ianrayson9764]

The 1888-89 season was Preston North End's first season in the Football League, which had just been founded. Because of this Preston became one of the founder members of the Football League. Preston were very successful during the season as they went on to claim the league and cup double without being defeated.

[@t_figs]

No player has said ‘I grew up watching Sergio aguero’ ALLOOWW ITT😭😭😭😭

[@thriftshopp]

I mean the invincibles was a great achievement. But the teams are a lot better now so it is harder to repeat. That city team back then would've not lost a game and could have potentially won every game...

[@lyndonsaunders8009]

teams are better now because players arent hacked at every game. Arsenal has always been a team who tried to play football under Wenger and were subject to brutal tackles by the oppositions. City's centurions and treble side did not face that.

[@georgeholt2254]

This aged well. Arteta 700m spent and has won…

[@gooner72]

Steve saying that he'd rather have 100 points is utter rubbish, if any Man City fan was 100% honest they would say that an unbeaten season is what they want to achieve...

[@GermanChickenwing]

Who is winning the league that season, the 100 points team or the unbeaten team? That should answer everything

[@russellward4624]

Nobody cares about drawing 12 games. Barca had the chance to go unbeated a couple years ago on the final day of the season and rested Messi for a post season friendly.

[@Luke-bq7sd]

i am being 100% honest and putting this on my life when i say i'd rather centurions. The prestige of each achievement is even, neither has been repeated, but while unbeaten is a cool achievement, but 100 points is harder to do. if arsenal's invincible team had played in city's centurion season they would have come second by 9 WHOLE POINTS. If city's centurions had played during the invincible season, they would have come first, by 9 WHOLE points. At the end of the day football is about who's better, not who can keep the most clean sheets. end of.

[@salmonero6472]

The Invincible team doesn't even make the top 5 most points in PL history. They could've won 3 more games and they still wouldn't have reached Liverpool that finished 2nd in 2018/19 🤷‍♂️

[@MancityRecap]

Fun fact man city stopped chelsea and liverpool from going unbeaten 😂😂😂😂😂

[@nerazuronerazuro4886]

The Invicibles frustrated 12 times that year the Arsenal fans" An OVERRATED achievment!

[@nonmyplaz]

Steve said we dropped the big one in 04’. City in 18’ got humbled at anfield by Liverpool. And the AC Milan in 04’ would destroy City in the cl

[@kattphatt]

Arsenal shouldn't talk about CL football.

[@9751_]

@@kattphattFacts. They’ll never win a European cup.

[@yacobghebreyesus7219]

The best robbie comeback when they talked about henry vs aguero.

[@CupChasers]

Both got a trophy. The centurions get the same thing every one else gets every season…we may not ever see another unbeaten season. Someone wins the league every year points tallies don’t matter at all

[@samiulhuda4001]

well we might if a team like city forfeits all other trophies and only focuses on the league. and if the league goes back to a time when you could win the league with 75 points

[@CupChasers]

@@samiulhuda4001 when pool won the league city hit like 83 points….when the centurions win pool hit like 97 or something crazy, both of those teams did what it took to win the league. So too the invincibles. The only difference is arsenal did it without a loss

[@samiulhuda4001]

@@CupChasers the point i was making is the league and and schedule is much harder now. it will be 20x harder to go invincible now than in 2004. and arsenal did that by forgoing other trophies even back then

[@CupChasers]

@@samiulhuda4001 that’s fair.

[@chilled_yr]

Chelsea 15 goals conceded was much more impressive than invincible

[@maxwatkins7032]

If this city team played that arsenal team, city would win the league at a canter, therefore better team

[@goyonman9655]

The question isn't what is the better side It's, which is the better achievement

[@SS-jn8hl]

This city team was made artificially through investing billions and cheating. Arsenal got their team naturally by following the rules. That Arsenal team won the league by 11 points. City won the league by only 3 points.

[@wickedmanrick2582]

Arsenal big club no european cup😂😂😂😂😂

[@goyonman9655]

@@wickedmanrick2582 That's not the topic

[@wickedmanrick2582]

@@goyonman9655 there is no topic to talk about arsenal in europe no trophys

[@dalerobinson7545]

You could be invincible drawing all the games. Over 100 points is way more impressive

[@elmarlo8099]

5 minutes in and my head hurts. Big Steve and Boovie keep wanting to divert from Invincibles vs Centurions to UCL. Horrible debate

[@TristanSpow]

Our 2nd or now even 3rd best season after our four in the row, we are so much better than Assna 🤣🤣🤣

[@RichsWrath]

Picking 100 points over Invincible is fair enough, pick your poison....but thinking Aguero was a better player than Henry is just pure delusion.

[@ans2810]

I lost it when Robbie started knocking on the table 😂😂😂

[@raghavsrivastava2108]

imagine saying Aguero is better than Henry. 💀💀💀

[@superspursjb]

Bale was better than henry

[@raghavsrivastava2108]

@@superspursjb 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@raghavsrivastava2108]

@@superspursjb no one was better than titi

[@samiulhuda4001]

@@raghavsrivastava2108 i would pick henry everyday except in big games and finals

[@hypello9534]

Its his opinion stop crying like a women cause ppl have different opinion

[@timcorrigan5444]

No debate invincibles win every time. Better quality teams back then

[@hamzaesat4085]

I’m giving it to Centurions just about. The Invincibles achievement is getting underrated, but 100 points to destroy every team like that is ridiculous.

[@TristanSpow]

32 wins is just insane, most goals and highest goal difference ever + biggest point difference between number one and two are just some insane records that the invincibles could never match

[@moisethegoat]

Let's end the argument, invincible team vs 18/19 100pints. imo city's team is stonger

[@IzzyMann]

buvey is so unlikable it's unreal XD LOL this guy lives in his own universe!

[@truedogs4698]

12 draws in one season is not even something to be proud of 😂

[@alexab543]

I pick invincible, as a neutral, because I think it's harder to replicate, Liverpool did get 99 points, someone will break that record eventually, probably Man City themselves tbf. Also, 100 points is just a random number, just because it's round doesn't mean that much to me

[@goyonman9655]

God bless you sir

[@ianrayson9764]

The 1888-89 season was Preston North End's first season in the Football League, which had just been founded. Because of this Preston became one of the founder members of the Football League. Preston were very successful during the season as they went on to claim the league and cup double without being defeated.

[@MrMessyb]

@@ianrayson976422 game season. Not the same. Nice try though lol.

[@Classact18]

If they were in the same season, city would of won the league? Case closed!

[@lewishills2051]

The invincible team would have finished third in Man City‘s centurion season because they didn’t get as many points as Liverpool as well points is what matters

[@goyonman9655]

This is besides the point

[@SS-jn8hl]

That’s not how you compare seasons from 14 years apart. You have to look at the standard deviation and adjust the points

[@TristanSpow]

No, man united finished second that season, the season after that was the fourmidables when Liverpool finished second on 97 points

[@jamaicaboy544]

From an Arsenal fan Fml, we’re just hanging on to this gold trophy for dear life, absolutely noway you can compare an unbeaten season to winning a treble with a champions league included, the treble is undoubtedly better we gotta stop living in the past

[@anson20ify]

I thought City will go unbeatable this season to win Prem & also win FA cup invincible & double. But Pep has diff plans maybe like forget invincible let’s win the treble again. 😂

[@tb3616]

city can’t draw 12 games lol so we risk losing to win games. Going invincible is not the goal lol getting the most points as possible is the goal for league football.

[@fedfoofy]

Which set of results would you take for the next 6 games: LLLWWW or DDDDDD? Obviously the first. Points are more important than not losing.

[@raytanner4138]

Arsenal really went 49 unbeaten over 3 seasons Won 36 Drew 13 Lost 0 Goals scored 112 conceded 35 no other team has ever come close to that..

[@JW-jd6sn]

Liverpool have.

[@hamseali2721]

Centurions>Invincibles

[@stuartmcmillan9004]

I'm an Arsenal fan but the City Centurions had a better overall squad but I think the Invincibles was probably the best 1st 11 in the league. Cole, Campbell, Vieira, Gilberto, Pires, Bergkamp and Henry in your starting line up, great players and could not get physically bullied. Oh and that 12 draws thing, one was at White Heart Lane where a draw was sufficient to win the league and we drew 2 of the last 4 games having already won the league. In 2004 the pressure was on for Arsenal to not lose any of the last 4 games and for City the pressure was on to get to 100. Both achieved those objectives and both are special to each fan base so just let each fan base enjoy them.

[@Nne-nne]

You’re no Arsenal fan. Buying the best players and doing it the proper way and going unbeaten is the best.

[@stuartmcmillan9004]

@@Nne-nne What do you mean I'm no Arsenal fan, I think that going a league season unbeaten in 38 games is the best achievement because I don't think it will happen again, Man City won a treble after Man Utd won it 24 years earlier and in 1984 Liverpool won a treble with the league, European Cup and League Cup. So 3 trebles in a 30 year span means the Invincible's achievement is more unique, special and memorable. Now Alex Ferguson said that the Invincible's achievement is the pinnacle of all and who am I to argue with him. The fact is that Man City's 2018 team is a stronger squad but the Arsenal 2004 first 11 is the best and.most well balanced first 11 in the Premier League era and no team today has the combination of skill, class and physicality to match it.

[@reddd-77]

​@@Nne-nnehe's not an arsenal fan cause he's not delusional? I fking hate this fanbase sometimes. We really do have the most insufferable fans.

[@historiahysteria6703]

Mate 12 draws is pathetic. You would’ve placed 3rd or 4th with that result

[@k17nopasi]

Are you comparing the teams or the achievements? Team, I’d go Invincibles. Achievement, I’d go Centurions. They also won the league cup, making it a double in 2017-18, smoking Arsenal in the final. I'd rather have 2 trophies, more points, and more goals than drawing against teams like Portsmouth, Charlton, Bolton, etc

[@eyesopen66]

I switched off, it became just noise and 4 men talking over each other. 2 on each side and it's a shame. BTW I'm a Man City fan. Both achievements are incredible and 1 offs, I believe? Nobody is Invincible except Arsenal and nobody has ever gotten 100pts in a 38game EPL season or the other major league's? I believe im correct

[@tkcem4438]

Can city go invincible if there was no other trophy to play for = YES Can arsenal get 100 points if there was no other competition to play in = NO Henry better than aguero Saliba better than stones Rodri better than rice

[@bremember]

Exactly, if City wanted to just win the league without losing a game, they could do it easily

[@MaSp345]

In my opinion making 100 points and beating klopps liverpool in 3 different seasons with over 90 points is better

[@sfiso9854]

Invisibles is a greatest achievement because it has never been done by anyone else, the same can be said for the centurions

[@TheSW6Club]

Other teams have gone invincible lol

[@JuniorGarrod-e4r]

Cab you imaging man city drawing 12 games

[@jgdayes]

Preston did it mate 😂

[@bub-games]

12 draws, still got 91 points.

[@russellward4624]

​@bub-games and 100 points is better

[@ghostk6674]

Only arsenal fans think the invincibiles was more impressive id rather win more games and finish on more points while losing a game or two the whole season

[@kylewis]

if two students take a test and one student gets 90 marks out of 114 but no answers wrong and the other student gets 100 marks out of 114 with some questions wrong who's the smarter kid........? Centurions are better! More points equals a higher grade.

[@SS-jn8hl]

Mate, there is one fatal flaw in your analogy. Your premise is if two students take the same test, in the same year. The football equivalent would be if Arsenal went invincible and city got 100 points in the same season. So the correct way to measure seasons across different eras is to look at the standard deviation of points from their respective seasons, instead of comparing points directly.

[@MrMessyb]

How can you get 90 marks out of 114 and not get an answer wrong 🤣🤣🤣🤣 what a stupid example!!!

[@MrMessyb]

Both great achievements but invincibles is HARDER to do!!! Centurions you can afford to lose FOUR games. Invincibles, if you lose ONE game then you have to wait until the next season to start again. It is MUCH harder!!

[@SS-jn8hl]

@@MrMessyb lol ikr, the only way I can think is if you leave some questions blank, then you technically didn't get any questions "wrong"

[@JaydenYedgar]

​@@MrMessybI mean technically you can't get get a full point on a question you could get 0,25 points or 0,5 points or 0,75 points so it's good logic in my opinion

[@mayukhbasu1742]

Big Steve, they don't mention invincibles on monday night football and other prime time shows because everyone knows it ain't happening again. That Arsenal trio of Bergkamp, Henry and Pires would destroy any defence in the modern day.

[@SS-jn8hl]

They do actually mention it, that’s the funny thing, but as you rightly pointed out, they know it’s not happening any time soon. Especially when there are no teams that are still undefeated come November , December etc..

[@samiulhuda4001]

its not happening because football is way more competitive now than it was back then. going unbeaten in epl now is probably 20x harder than in 2004

[@anakinskywalker212]

Not the same debate everytime Arsenal play city... 💀

[@neshthejack]

Arsenal fans are such big clowns. Still hanging on to their invincibles trophy because thats the only thing they got. Going invincible doesn't guarantee you a title. Centurion does

[@splinter360]

Centurions. No ones cares about invincibles other than Arsenal fans. The only reason anyone would want to win it if it got close would be to shut up Arsenal fans because they would have nothing to say ever again which is sad.

[@SS-jn8hl]

Arsenal achievement was done organically and by following rules. City injected billions and cheated their way through. Arsenal’s achievement is clear

[@MrMessyb]

Yeah that’s why Fergie, greatest Premier League manager, said it’s the greatest achievement but okay. Both great achievements but invincibles is HARDER to do!!! Centurions you can afford to lose FOUR games. Invincibles, if you lose ONE game then you have to wait until the next season to start again. It is MUCH harder!!

[@harjisidhu2363]

Big Steve and Buvey are pretty thick, aren’t they. Why are they talking about Champions League and Trebles? Stick to the argument, invincibles or centurions. Not hard

[@therealzekeman]

100 point season is done because we go out to win every game which makes us prone to lose the odd game from being open and attacking. Unbeaten can happen when you know you won the league and now plan to sit in for the remainder of the matches, the aim to not lose rather to win. Both amazing achievements but no one cares about being unbeaten anymore (only arsenal fans) because theres too many quality teams in the league. 🙏🤭

[@alexanderebite4700]

Do it then you can't because it hard

[@goyonman9655]

​@jeffsroyalbodyguard7642 100 is literally just a random number No more special than 95, 101, or 95

[@jeffreypalfini6706]

The simplest way for Buvey and Steve to win the debate is to ask: What would no losses and 12 draws have gotten Arsenal in the 2018-19 season? Third behind City and Liverpool. That's a fact. Even if you gave Arsenal a win and draw against both City and Liverpool that season. 100 points wins the league in every single season so far and likely ever. That said, as a City supporter, I have Henry first among Premier League strikers and Aguero second.

[@EmmanuelBoakye-g2p]

You think winning 26 games and drawing 12 games is more impressive than getting 100 point out of 114 points

[@goyonman9655]

YESSSSS

[@MrMessyb]

Both great achievements but invincibles is HARDER to do!!! Centurions you can afford to lose FOUR games. Invincibles, if you lose ONE game then you have to wait until the next season to start again. It is MUCH harder!!

[@flavio7180]

​@@MrMessybYou can afford to lose 4 games, only if you win 33 others, which is almost impossible. In the top 5 leagues, only Juventus have managed 33 wins once, and no one else. You can go invincible even with 10 wins, you can't reach 100 points without at least 31 wins mathematically.

[@MANCHESTER.IS.BLUE.49]

100 points is some achievement to be fair .

[@drawde5762]

i think man city defo could go unbeaten if that was their only goal. They could literally just keep possession for most of the game and get a bunch of draws. But in the Arsenal invincibles season, they got 90 points, which now days typically isnt enough to win the league especially if liverpool are chasing them. So City have to go for the win most of the time to make sure they get enough points to win the league which can bite them in the ass sometimes and cause them to lose if a team gets them on the counter attack

[@mathewmapeshomulaye2732]

They failed. That’s all that matters.

[@laurenevans8883]

@robbie your chat is 100 on point and on facts

[@JuniorGarrod-e4r]

12 draws!!!! Jeez didn't even realise.

[@SS-jn8hl]

26 wins tho, and 49 unbeaten overall

[@TristanSpow]

@@SS-jn8hlcenturions had 32 wins 🤣🤣🤣

[@Cashback13]

Arsenal far as I am aware are the only Englandteam to lose 3 european finals of 3 different european competitions in 1995, 2000 and 2006. Now they have finally won the CL City have already surprssed them on a grander stage in Europe despite not getting to as many finals.. It's not all about the Premier League especially one you haven't defended unlike United, City and Chelsea.

[@vybinmoha]

is not even debatable wining is harder than drawing so the fact that Man City won so much to get centurions is just mind-boggling

[@goyonman9655]

Invincibles is more impressive

[@MrMessyb]

Both great achievements but invincibles is HARDER to do!!! Centurions you can afford to lose FOUR games. Invincibles, if you lose ONE game then you have to wait until the next season to start again. It is MUCH harder!!

[@spark556]

I pick The Treble winners, end of debate.

[@Damian.Harrow]

shouldn't be a debate about this, 100 points can be done again, nobody is ever going 38 games unbeaten in one league season. The games gotten harder, therefore making it harder to achieve

[@eaglemma1020]

100 points will never be done again. Unbeaten will happen again

[@manunited1235]

@@eaglemma1020unbeaten will not happen again in the league. Man City have set the bar really high for points and I think they could get 100 points again, but I don’t think they’ll go unbeaten. As good as they are, even they lost a game or two. Unbeaten will not happen again

[@ianrayson9764]

The 1888-89 season was Preston North End's first season in the Football League, which had just been founded. Because of this Preston became one of the founder members of the Football League. Preston were very successful during the season as they went on to claim the league and cup double without being defeated.

[@eaglemma1020]

@@manunited1235 100 points will never happen again. Arsenal did okay drawing until they can call themselves unbeaten. It will undoubtedly happen again. 100 points will never be repeated

[@manunited1235]

@@eaglemma1020 unbeaten in this era of the premier league will not happen again. City are more likely to get 100 points because of the quality of the premier league, than going unbeaten. Even the best premier league sides ever like city couldn’t go unbeaten. Chelsea came the closest with one loss. I do think the centurions achievement is better than going unbeaten and winning the league, but going unbeaten and winning the league is harder

[@taylena1235]

Idk when arsenal fans are going to accept no one cares about the invincibles except for them I would rather win league and a fa cup then invincible

[@lionelsheja6381]

The Invincible is a great achievement. However it's not the greatest achievement. Of course either fan base will choose their teams (SHOCKER). With that said, I believe the FOURmidables were better than the Centurion.