Indian Continues to Push the Limits of What a Bagger Should Be!

[@wooddawg4868]

I don't think Harley Davidson is the standard of anything anymore, if anything HD has been playing catch up. Being fully liquid cooled and fully counterbalanced with a gear drive primary is the holy grail.

[@ΑναστάσιοςΠαπαζαχαρίου]

As much as i like to make fun of Harley, some of their mid range models don't really have a competitor. Notably the Low Rider S. The chief doesn't cut it against the lrs.

[@lokey5430]

Na man air cooled is dope very simplistic and idk if you’ve ever had problems with coolant systems in bikes but it’s a real pain 20 years from now that’s one less thing I’ll have to worry about with my bike that you have to… it’s all perspective not one is better than the other.. but I will say for people like me Indian doesn’t have as much to offer as I build my bikes…

[@JoeFurtado-xv5no]

I’m done with HD after 30 years of owning them. My next bike will be either a pursuit or chieftain

[@doughuntley2974]

Or in my case a Roadmaster, Being an Ultra rider I am not impressed with the 2025 HD Street Glide Ultra.

[@stuwhyte479]

Chieftain Darkhorse all day bro👍

[@vmonk1474]

I’m glad the fork mounted fairing fans will now be able to get a Powerplus if they want. I’m gonna stick with my Pursuit, fixed fairing. Best bike I’ve owned.

[@BlinkingKillswitch]

The fork mounted fairing looks good.

[@Orban_rides1]

It works good too.

[@BlinkingKillswitch]

@@Orban_rides1 Most do.

[@OoavastoO]

The Chieftain today is what the Victory Cross Country would’ve/could’ve/should’ve been if Polaris didn’t unceremoniously kill the Victory brand. Completely shortsighted IMO. I don’t think I’ll ever forgive them for that. Bought my XC new in 2014 and I’m still in love with it just as much as I was when I saw it on the show room floor. It’s bombproof and still running strong 10 yrs later and never fails to put a big, goofy grin on my face.

[@PostUp_Time]

DO YOU HAVE ANY TROUBLE GETTING PARTS FOR VICTORY MOTORCYCLES. I WANT TO BUY A VISION TOUR BECAUSE THE PRICES ARE EXTERMELY AFFORDABLE RIGHT NOW.

[@u.s.angler7494]

@@PostUp_Timeparts are pretty easy to get ahold of. Buy the victory. You’ll love it.

[@beags1979]

Victory's just didn't sell. Victory's best year was 12,000 units. When I talked to a dealer when the Indians first came back out. They said the Indians sold 5 times as much as the Victory's did.

[@KeystoneTexan]

@@beags1979Victory never really promoted their bikes like they should have. I didn’t see any commercials about Victory bikes until a few months before they discontinued them. I had a 2011 Jackpot. One badass sexy bike that I wished I didn’t sell.

[@cbrippee]

I have a 14 Cross Country, but having sat on on several Chieftains, the Chieftain is more cramped, whereas the Challenger is more spacious.

[@bigscout1584]

I share your concerns. Technology is a two edged sword. Too much good stuff can turn bad quickly

[@nelsonphilip4520]

And to add, I have concerns that today's state-of-the-art motorcycle design is overwhelming the authorize dealer to troubleshoot & service their customer bikes.

[@stuwhyte479]

That's my concern as well.

[@BugManRides]

Blind Spot Monitoring, go ahead and ride new BMW, Ducati or Triumph with the blind spot and get those questions answered. Linked Braking has been a standard on BMW for a longtime and is not intrusive.

[@scubanick123]

I even had linked brakes on a 2003 Honda VTX 1800 and see no problem with them at all. When I upgraded bikes I always wondered why this wasn't prevalent in the Cruiser market as a whole

[@lokey5430]

@@scubanick123just needed someone to pioneer it

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

I get the diehard Harley guys and their preferences. But if you're not a rusted on loyalist, it's going to be hard to walk past that new liquid cooled Chieftan and into the Harley shop, tech or no tech. As for linked brakes, they've been done successfully in the past. This should be no exception.

[@cbrippee]

I know Honda has used that system on some bikes for this whole century at least.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

@@cbrippee I've ridden an ST1100 with that system. I was impressed. Moto Guzzi have also incorporated it successfully into some of their range.

[@lokey5430]

Depends if you want to build or just ride… If you don’t want to keep your bike stock it’s probably best to just buy a base Harley and buy all the goodies and make it your own if you just want a fast bike out the gate and ride go Indian… Also air cooled engines are pretty simplistic and you don’t have to worry about the coolant systems that’s a plus but liquid cooled engines are great too so long as theirs no issues with it then it can become a nightmare I run my Harley in Arizona heat all summer and never had a overheating problem so to me that’s an advantage just a lot harder to make power I’m sure compared to a liquid cooled but if your touring reliability is king both are great platforms I’d like to own both one day

[@fourftr]

Be nice if both companies would figure out a way to make them more affordable

[@nelsonphilip4520]

ROI; Return on investment. Quite frankly I'm surprised that any of these companies still bother to manufacture these motorcycles. I just can't imagine that the return is worth it.

[@ΑναστάσιοςΠαπαζαχαρίου]

@@nelsonphilip4520 That's why every part is made in another country, then assembled in America

[@Wolfpack6D]

@@nelsonphilip4520 my FB was bought second hand for $12000 with 14000 miles on it but now with 25000 miles and my personal upgrades it is only worth about $4200. The ROI just isn't there anymore and the dealers are upselling everything trying to get an ROI out of it. I would say that Indian is just trying to get back to being on top and the fact that they are over $1000 cheaper and offering a longer lasting bike is just going to propel them forward.

[@camouflage962]

my next Harley - if at all - would be an Indian... for sure!

[@slicksouth5773]

That tailgate warning would be on constantly where I live. People drive like their at Talladega most days.

[@epicdude931]

The Indian challenger is so badass. I love it for everything it is . I know it’s a lot of bike but a bagger should not be the same price as a base v8 dodge challenger .

[@echevarriawilson]

I would love to see that Power Plus engine on a Standard Springfield. Since Harley got rid of the infamous Standard Road King, Indian can steal that market with the Springfield Power Plus on the standard model.

[@nrgrlsd9931]

Blind spot monitoring means you can use your mirror without having to do a head check. Which as useful as a head check is, turning your head 90 degrees away from the direction you are traveling for even three seconds could cost you everything

[@Xyerth]

I am planning on a 2026 purchase for my 50th and this bike is what I am currently targeting. HD has dropped the ball on features vs price. The new features on the Chief are kool but the first year is going to have issues which is alot of HD's issues the last 16 months. Looking forward to this purchase. Plan on getting the DarkHorse with the upgraded stereo and the bigger engine. Thanks for the vid. Hope to see you demo one to provide more hands on info. Have a great day!

[@HabitualFixation]

If similar to my 1300 GS the Blindspot Warning Alert works great and on approach

[@canaryveteran]

Good concern's!!! Can't wait to hear or see the answer's

[@richardmathevet1375]

It would have been pretty useful to add by the same token a front radar system to provide riders with an adaptative cruise control...maybe next year😉

[@SaltyOldBiker]

I don't understand why Harley, Indian, and other cruiser manufacturers keep pouring more and more power into these motors while they are electronically limited. We just did a vid on the fastest cruisers and I guess maybe you've got more low end torque at takeoff as they keep upping the ci's, but top end is still the same electronic limitation.

[@logangodofcandy]

Torque on the low end, HP in high revs in low gears. Taller gears, less shifting. You can stay in lower gears for most everything. It makes for a lazier ride, because the bike ALWAYS just goes.

[@SaltyOldBiker]

@@logangodofcandy Cool. Nothing wrong with a nice lazy ride sometimes. 😉

[@TwoSideHustles]

Because people tell them they want it... Through sales numbers. Profits is the bottom line.

[@larryhouse3776]

Cruiser people actually think their cruisers are fast. Let them have it... whatever "It" is.

[@derfskittlers6125]

Alot of guys will flash the ecm and get the bike tuned, then sky is the limit. 🙂 when stock maxed out at 110mph now you can go faster.

[@quintkemph973]

My 2015 f6b has a feature that when u lean into the corner it powers down just for a second. Great for unexpected maneuver

[@Sovspot]

Liquid cooling allows indian to make smaller and lighter engines with more hp and torque than their harley counterparts. What a concept. Nostalgia is the thing harley has going for them. The only thing they can do is to make bigger and heavier engines that still increase the weight of their already fat pigs they call motorcycles. While indian make baggers that dont get left in the dust by goldwings, every retired dentist in the group can keep up. Not to mention the modern lines of indians makes for a much sportier and sleak looking bikes than harley, imo.

[@aarondeere]

Like usual Indian leads with features while harley doesn’t but claim to be the premier brand with prices to match.

[@metalmystic6214]

Harley: Releases a bike. Indian: Releases same exact bike. Community: Indian is so innovative!

[@nelsonphilip4520]

My concern would be how the dealer can handle and service these newer models with all the layers of hi-tech hardware. Especially beyond the warranty period.

[@mikekosar6135]

The linked brakes are like Power brakes and usually Make for a softer feeling Draw on the front brake lever When drawn…

[@harryhowell5644]

This was a response to what Harley has done with the vvt 121 plus the new 117. Not to mention all the technology updates. I hope they keep pushing each other!. The sky is the limit 😅

[@doughuntley2974]

If the power plus editions add the hydraulic clutch I'm in!

[@quincyfry6569]

Power plus on a springfield with lots of chrome and old school fender and locking hard bags. No radio. No nannies. No fairing. All I ask for.

[@stevehunt9703]

These features all cost extra money and none solve a problem that the rider ultimately should be aware of and dealing with. The linked braking on my 97 Honda Blackbird worked well and still does even though it's 28 years old.

[@davidbeauchamp9663]

Indian is definitely more American than Harley. Don't believe it, do some research.

[@kevinw7745]

Who cares? Nothing is completely made in America anymore.

[@GIGABACHI]

Just my opinion. Indian: Great Unit Construction Engines. Harley Davidson: Great looking bikes. New RG with an Indian 112 engine. YES.

[@wonderful_Himself7]

For the money ,Harley will never give what Indian does. Inverted forks & fox rear shocks on the base model Challengers.I left Harley & I have yet to regret it. But ride what you like! After owning 4 Harley’s I can say they are not the standard now nor have they ever been.

[@WebberAerialImaging]

Self proclaimed standard, maybe but just tire old bikes, IMO. I wish they hadn't scrapped the victory line completely because I felt they were innovating what it meant to be an American made bike. I guess not enough felt the same.

[@sebastiaooliveira928]

I love Harley for those same reasons, I what an analog bike, no need for the fancy stuff. When I drive an Harley I back on the 80s/90s and that for me is priceless. Long live America. Long live Harley Davidson motorcycles!

[@six.....]

They are still the standard every other manufacturer in cruiser/touring line up imitates what they do visually.

[@davidbeauchamp9663]

Agreed

[@rspapabear9629]

tech has completely removed the fun in driving. now it's on its way to dsatroy the thrill of riding too. and they charge more for what we dont want

[@derfskittlers6125]

I have all the tech but rarely use it. But it's there if I want it.

[@Hipporider]

The tech in the Indian Pursuit saved my arse when some muppet pulled in front of me while I was doing 80kph on the highway. If not for the ABS, traction control and all the other tech, I would have t boned a people mover resulting in death or severe injury. I'll take that tech no problems. I've been riding ever since 1985 all seasons, every year, so it's not inexperience. Sometimes you're faced with dangers out of your control and I'm all for this tech. 🇦🇺

[@119topdawg]

Don’t buy one 😊

[@derfskittlers6125]

@@119topdawg I see what you're doing. You're trying to save them all for yourself.

[@119topdawg]

@@derfskittlers6125 damn...didn't fool you tho!

[@russm3866]

I don't know about everyone else's experiences... 🤔 But I hope the electronic warning for Tailgating doesn't actually flash any rear lights on the motorcycle as a warning precaution for someone behind you driving a car or truck!!! I've literally seen bike riders simply and quickly brake check the driver of a car behind them... And The driver of the car immediately become angry and the entire situation becomes a Very Serious ROAD RAGE incident which seriously endangers the person riding the motorcycle!!! I remember back in the early 1990's where I actually had to put my car in between a Motorcycle And Some Pissed Off Guy driving his car, (to the point where I was almost having to physically push the car away from the Motorcycle) The guy in the car was literally trying to side swipe the guy on his bike, simply because the bike was forced to Brake Check him because he was Far Too Close, Aggressive and Unsafe, for the guy riding his Motorcycle!!! I truly think that the warning for anyone riding a Motorcycle should only be a warning on the Dash of Motorcycle, and never actually flash the rear lights to warn the vehicle behind!!! I felt like I had to share this story with everyone because it could have cost the guy on the Motorcycle his life, if I hadn't been driving my car that day!!! Just Sayin'🤬

[@road_king_dude]

Harleys '25s have just been a complete snore-fest in comparison. Cant lie.

[@gixsix6270]

I'll take the Scout 101 anyday. If they make it like the bagger series racing bike, im heading to dealership right away.

[@nelsongn9]

You made some great points in the video

[@Orban_rides1]

The parking brake assist is a must have. I used it at almost every stop.

[@PavelPenariu]

I just transitioned from sport bikes/ naked bikes to cruisers and I ended up buying a Harley. I really wanted to buy an Indian Springfield Dark horse, but unfortunately the sells person didn’t even acknowledge me when I walked in. The sells person was busy scrolling on IG. When I walked into the Harley dealership, I was immediately greeted by everyone, they wanted to chat about bikes and offered me an amazing discount… they cut me more than $5k from the total cost of the bike I was interested. I ended up with a 2024 road king special and I love it ! Even though I was against Harley because of the political issue, I understood the dealers and small shops are the ones suffering from what the CEOs do. From my conversation with them, they all love riding and nothing else. I still feel a bit bitter towards Indian dealerships and their poor customer service. I wanted the dark horse really bad, but not bad enough to give my money to ungrateful people. It’s all about customer service.

[@dariorametta7361]

confirm that Indian has no customer focus.

[@Prometheus1979]

I think the rider help is good for newbies and older people but I think people really need to learn how to ride a bike and not rely on the motorcycle to do it for you. I think every new rider getting their endorsement today should be mandatory to take the riding class. My 23 has all the RDRS garbage on it and I turned all that crap off. I do love having a bike with antilock brakes. All my other Harley’s did not. It was learn to ride and properly brake and shift or learn to crash. You earn respect for it real quick.

[@larryhouse3776]

I encourage you to download a side profile picture of a challenger, and this new chieftain. To my surprise, the new chieftain is very literally just a challenger with a different front cowl. I dont exactly think i agree with this. The old chieftain had some iconic traits, fuel tank shape, little leather strap that ran up the tank from the seat, a very different seat profile, not to mention different ergonomics in terms of reach. Thats all gone now.

[@zombieman717]

I thought the same thing as I looked at the side profile of the new chieftain. But I also thought it to be ideal because it saves them money on their end from having to build something completely from the ground up. I know it may not be agreeable and I do understand where you’re coming from. But the bright side is that you now don’t have to only buy a Challenger for the PowerPlus engine. There’s more choices now and the prices aren’t too bad. Just my 2 cents!

[@Hipporider]

I think they still make the air cooled Chiefs with the different frame, etc

[@road_king_dude]

Yeah I'm on the fence about it. I like it. It looks plenty cool. But I don't love it. The new Chieftain fairing specifically

[@BugManRides]

The Road and Street Glides are the exact same bike as well just with different Fairing applications. Indian is just adding another bike to better match up to the Harley offering, the only difference is that the Indian is much better equipped than the Harley. ( I own both a 2023 RG ST FJ, and 2023 Challenger Darkhorse)

[@road_king_dude]

@@BugManRides sheesh. I wish I had your garage! Ride safe!

[@bluzzjazz]

Hegshot, you literally just pontificated glowingly about the superiority of HD vs Indian. Damn man, pick one and go with it.

[@road_king_dude]

HD is objectively making the most hideous bikes on the market now.

[@BeGhouled]

I was personally hoping for a physical update to the lineup, the looks have kinda stagnated.

[@kevinw7745]

I am pretty sure you could cut most of those features off as you could in a vehicle.

[@123JumpingJacks]

Indian is America's BMW

[@His_Scout_Sixty]

Indian just started making cars with 2 wheels.

[@lrashad3]

It's only one real competitive manufacture in the US outside of Harley and that is Indian. Metric rule in the hp areana

[@garypethybridge2419]

That why i own a road king.. I don t want that crap flashing all the time. And there is a difference between indian owners and harley owners... indian owners also own toyatos

[@zarmindrow5831]

Hannibal the fastest Indian.

[@Group_Anonymous]

Honda already makes the best bagger

[@derfskittlers6125]

I'll admit, it's great for long trips but my harley electra glide is great anytime. 🙂

[@joseVazquez-sk5dt]

goldwings have valves noise right size don’t want helps customers 😢

[@carlbruhn1772]

I would certainly argue as the vtwins push tech they are only pushing towards what a Goldwing has always been.

[@RobertoBren]

Good video. But dude, you really need to stop drinking that Harley Kool-Aid. Harley is not the "standard anyone chases" except Harley. I've never owned or wanted to own a Harley and I've been on cruisers for 44 years. I own and ride an Indian Super Chief Lilited because I liked the bike....nothing to do with any imagined or real Harley standard. ✌️

[@lokey5430]

If you want a liquid cooled engine go with Indian if you want an air cooled engine go with Harley simple as that your never gonna get the performance out of an air cooled engine that you will a liquid cooled engine with that said both companies have been pushing the bar in their own perspective

[@kaonilaulani]

some times features are good and some times not. BMW RT with ABS almost killed me. deleted that thing right away. never felt safer . That Abs takes the control out of your hands. if i want to skid or squeeze every ounce out of my front brakes i want that choice. so as long we can alter the features that would be could.

[@msd85TvT]

Beautiful bikes…not my style, but I can appreciate the effort and skill that goes into crafting one of these machines…still, do neither of the big American motorcycle companies ever consider making basic or at least 7 to $10k bikes as a norm? I got a pan America but I’m kinda regretting buying the thing especially in the current economy 😅

[@Txcowboy80]

I'm sure it's an on/off feature.

[@Tinfoilhat311]

I've been riding for a very long time, and I don't want all that nonsense. Linked braking and abs ok, but the rest you can keep it.

[@BlinkingKillswitch]

$38,000 MSRP for the Darkhorse with 112PP and upgraded audio. Weak aftermarket, weak dealer support. Polaris is losing their minds.

[@Ha-fy6zv]

Is there no way to turn these off? You can turn them off on cars

[@davidfellows6250]

I'd love to see a challenger platform with no crap on it. In infotainment system, no electronics at all.just the ones that make the bike go zoom zoom. They put all this garbage on bikes that I don't think anybody ask for and they are always the first and most expensive breakdowns.

[@stevehunt9703]

Totally agree with you. I would be happy with carburetors as well. Then I could add intakes, mufflers etc myself with no need for dealer flashing. Not to mention blind spot monitoring is not required if you are going fast enough. Electronic invisability cloaking would be fun. Joking aside your right, $10,000 per bike of needless complexity.

[@markusnachname1619]

I hate this power and tech race. Built bikes! Bikes that last. I want an Aircraft Carrier on two wheels or an Arleigh Burk class if I want it a bit more nimble.

[@blackbuttecruizr]

They need to integrate that radar system into adaptive cruise control.

[@curtisg5117]

Chieftain PowerPlus Dark Horse with 112 Ghost White Metallic Smoke $32,249.00no extras just the 112 .. crazy at least Harley for 32.000 I get the nice ghost flame paint job or for 31,000 mystic shift also,Harley base 27,999 with 7-11 color choices.. Indian chieftain cheapest 26,499.00 with 108 and no color choices only black Indian challenger base cheap blacksmoke 26,499 Heavy Metal Smoke 27,249 Indian Challenger Dark Horse Springfield Blue 29,249 with 112 but the biggest issue is they never did a redesign the fairing and bags are outdated. big letdown for me I was hoping for a better-looking bike would love to try one out.

[@markmcintosh7095]

I hate the link brakes and wish you could turn them off.

[@bobhartman2571]

Indian to me, seems like a company that uses a lot of other MC manufactures ideas and claims that they came out with the idea. They seem to make good MC's, but not sold yet on them.

[@marcusjamesOG]

I like Indian motorcycles and may buy one but Indian is like the Hyundai of motorcycles. All their models are benched marked copy cats of Harleys. Indian has 1 uped Harley in many areas but you have to ask the question. Why does Harley continue to outsell Imdian 10 to 1? Harley owners know the Indian is faster and has some advantages but they dont care. You can put 200hp liquid cooled enginee in an Indian and it still wont outsell a 100hp Harley.

[@carlbruhn1772]

I used to own a Harley and a Victory at the same time. Even traded each one but always had a model of each. In 2017 Polaris hit Victory owners with a drop dead letter. They promised part availability for 10 years. After a year I though I should go ahead and get some neck bearings and bar isolators for future maintenance. The parts weren't only not available but calling Polaris they stated look for them online. We aren't stocking them. My relationship with Polaris ended there.

[@davidbeauchamp9663]

Only because of Harley marketing. Side by side. Indian is kicking Harleys ass.

[@marcusjamesOG]

@@davidbeauchamp9663 I own a Harley Road Glide Special, I never bought it because of marketing. I never even saw a Harley commericial bro. I bought my 2021 Road Glide Special because I wanted a long distance bagger now that I'm over 40. I looked at the Indian and test rode it. I liked it but the attention to detail, the quality of the paint and the riding experience was the reason I bought my Harley. Harley owners are not mere suckers of great marketing, we love our bikes. Did you buy your vehicle because of the marketing or because you also did your research? You are right about Indian kicking Harley's ass but the whole point is we don't care. Everyone should buy what they like. I sure the makers of Indian feel that they are getting their asses kicked is the sales department.

[@fourteenfour1]

I really wanted to like Indian but they need a Ride Command system unique to Indian and not shared with Polaris products, it looks so grafted on and visual appeal of a motorcycle also applies to the dash the rider looks at all day in their ride and this is where Indian loses its appeal to me; fwiw the previous generation Road Glide had the same issue. However the real issue with Indian is their pricing versus retained value. I used to laugh because even the local Indian dealer preferred to take a Harley as a trade in than an Indian to include one they sold. That preference told me all I needed to know. What I did like is having the liquid cooled motor in the new PP Chieftain and slightly redesigned dash. I want to see that Blue Dusk up close but fortunately two of my favorite Indian colors the Red and White Smoke are both options. I will go look at one but given my past experiences with the Indian dealer I will not ever be buying one. I am very glad they did not redesign the fairings to copy Harley again

[@donaldsoncole3095]

Indian and Harley have 2 problems in regards to success ! Price is too high for everything, and all bikes are way to heavy !!!! Not everyone wants to play SONS OF ANARCHY every weekend and not everyone will go for a cross country trip! Some of us just want a ride after work for a burger or ice cream cone ! Maybe, breakfast at a cafe, or just a quick blast. You all have made it too complicated !!!

[@dankimgiesler8484]

Sounds like you need a softail or air cooled Chief or Springfield. Nothing wrong with those bikes, less electronics and less money.

[@donaldsoncole3095]

@@dankimgiesler8484 - Went to the dealer today and looked at softails !!! Your a fortune teller !!!

[@brianirons3958]

The 121 vvt CVO is 115 hp 139 torque Indian is right at those numbers

[@larryhouse3776]

That CVO is easily double the price too.

[@derfskittlers6125]

​@@larryhouse3776lmao, not double.

[@larryhouse3776]

@@derfskittlers6125 youre right... in some cases, it's more. I'm looking at a 2025 CVO street glide right now for $56,299 USD. And you can get into a power plus Challenger for $27,499 is where they start.

[@derfskittlers6125]

@@larryhouse3776 if you go the challenger route, get their dark horse or whatever the top of the line is. I looked at Indian closely and stuck with Harley. I think cvo are overpriced. ST are nice or get a regular harley road/street glide and spend 3 grand for a nice cam upgrade to increase power.

[@Nox-Inferni]

this is the most american video i've ever seen

[@logangodofcandy]

Air cooled engines just aren't cutting it.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

I love them. But that doesn't stop the fact that water cooled engines are far superior. Indian have nailed the big liquid cooled twins.

[@larryhouse3776]

Naaw, big air cooled push rod V Twin is still the way to go. It has more feel and personality. If we just want to chase numbers, this new Power Plus should have been a V4

[@derfskittlers6125]

Air cooled engines have been "cutting it" for about a century now.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

@ I've got one in the shed. I've owned several air cooled bikes and several air cooled VW's. And I worked on air cooled piston aircraft for a bit under five years. As much as I love them, the reality is that clearances can't be as finely tuned as a liquid cooled engine, leading to higher emissions. Oil cops a real hiding, too, and power output is restricted by the engine's inability to dissipate heat as well as their water-cooled counterpart. Then there's longevity, arguably. Ride them while you can. They're not going to be here for ever.

[@marcusjamesOG]

I understand what you're saying having had a sport bike for 20 years. I now have a 2021 Road Glide Special. Love the bike, plenty of power for over taking cars. I don't have any issues with the air cooled engine at all. I see why Harley sales more bikes than any other manufacturer despite not halving the latesr tech or the fastest bike

[@tomjohnson8794]

Time to groom that beard

[@JaffaJannu]

I'm not saying that this will happen but! I can see a scenario where some people with sports cars could turn that rear collision warning into a game. Btw I'm not huge into guns but that muscet there on top is neat :)

[@GROGU123]

The rear radar will likely work like the front radar on my car. It'll look at the distance, velocity and deceleration rate of the car or bike behind you. Deceleration distance can be calculated from velocity and deceleration rate. Distance = (velocity^2)/(2*acceleration) If that distance is greater than the current distance to the vehicle behind, it'll throw up a warning.

[@fpillc3886]

As long as i can turn them off, its ok

[@donaldcook6997]

raised the bar right along with the prices....looked at scout ( a bare bike) it cost more than a dressed out goldwing or vulcan nomad..so they keep indians

[@rosstisbury1626]

how about decent mirrors instead of lookn cool stick on mirrors

[@louisgiardina8918]

All 3 new features are BS when is Indian coming out with the new self riding motorcycle like the cars. Can’t wait for that one to go along with the blind spot feature , the tail gating feature and the anti lean feature now I can take a snooze while cruising oh boy .

[@six.....]

Sadly Indian still didn't knock the ugly off them. I mean dang the inner fairing looks worse than the interior of my 97 f-150 and don't get me started on the side panel area 🤮

[@TimMcPeck]

Yep, that side panel area has always been an issue with me on those bikes. It just seems cheap looking and closed off. I was hoping over time that they blended it out somehow.

[@DanBeanner-zo3ms]

Indian is simply copying Harley.

[@3RDOOR]

You’re wearing a shoie 😢😢

[@ricky3277]

Still have not changed that cheap plastic look and the motor is not appealing in anyway.

[@craigreeves5195]

I agree, an aggressive human nature will conflict things by pushing the bike beyond the technology the bike is equipped with, making more of a mess.....Respect for your life and your machine will be spared... for a period of time?

[@mickeygaines007]

I give them props for being the first to put all liquid cooled motors in a big bagger. Some people just love the “soul” of the good ol air cooled and that’s why Harley hasn’t done it yet. But they and everyone will have to sooner or later. Harley is squeezing some good numbers out of those newer M8 offerings. But this sport chief rt? Come on now. Another blatant copy of a successful Harley offering. About the same ridiculous price and same value.

[@lexburen5932]

Prime example of someone that does not know what he talks about " But this sport chief rt? Come on now. Another blatant copy " No need to be jaleous. If anything, indian forced harley davidson to step up their game, and you should be thankfull for that.

[@mickeygaines007]

@ it’s so obvious what Indian is going for with this new sport chief it’s not even funny. I think I know perfectly well what I’m talking about. Harley did great with a shark nose, lo and behold what rolls out of Indians garage. A way uglier version. Low rider is a hit, next we know the sport chief is rolling out. Now this. I gave Indian credit where it’s due. They should have done the power plus bagger and stopped

[@mickeygaines007]

@@lexburen5932 I do like Indian and appreciate that there is competition. They are keeping Harley a bit honest anyway even through both brands are way high priced. But yeah it’s their fourth or fifth knock off of a Harley product that was doing well. Surprised they didn’t slap a big fairing on the sport chief yet to copy the low rider st, I’m sure that’s next.

[@LARGO125]

​@@mickeygaines007 so obviously you think Ram and GM shouldn't make pick up trucks then. I mean, Ford did it first, so anything GM or Ram does to compete is "just a cheap knock off" right?

[@mickeygaines007]

@ difference there is Indian keeps doing it, and unlike a truck which is a general thing, Indian keeps taking these specific things that are on Harley’s and slapping them on their bikes (and they don’t end up looking near as good as Harleys) after Harley has success with it. First it’s a street glide knockoff, then a road glide, then the low rider, then they throw bags on their sport chief and are like ohh look what we got 😆

[@DirkDiggler-p5q]

The people that know buy Harley Davidson.

[@jaredp75]

😂😂😂😂