Helluva Boss S2 E1 Was a Mistake

[@alilishaa8824]

Criticizing anything about Helluva Boss is considered a sin by the fandom

[@kingj9664]

I think it's more like when you exaggerate on something like saying The show is terrible with nowhere demon qualities or in her case acting like this one episode ruins a character

[@thegloriousmagician9100]

It’s still constructive I’m not sure what ya talking about

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

@@kingj9664 it does. The entire thing just screws everything up.

[@FernandoMazzo175]

@@thegloriousmagician9100 He is talking about how people can't accept that their favorite series has flaws, and how they start hunting for the head of whoever talks bad about their precious perfect cartoon

[@Ataristar]

Wait it’s not a sin? The ancient texts have lied to me

[@Goat81093]

Stella feels like she been holding a huge neon sign that says "I'm an evil bitch please hate me" witch made me not hate her at all. I can't hate someone so bland.

[@Pauli-dg2yv]

Reminds me of Celaena Sardothien

[@wiwitutsu2175]

Reminds me of clhoe borgeois

[@chloev543]

@@wiwitutsu2175 chloe

[@carlosluishernandez7729]

You contradict yourself, amas Steven Universe, shows "same sexual relationships", they are sapphire and rubi, but you hate stoles x blitzo?: If you are very bad, the good already won another person, who has better arguments: https: //kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKSQqp-Yns2Wm5o

[@chansfeet2500]

It's like they couldn't respect an adult audience enough to make an actual menacing abuser and felt the need to spell things out and backpedal.

[@StockImageOfaRat]

I hated that 1. Stella became a mustache twirling villain, I don’t want her to be sympathetic or anything but not like the one we got 2. The show was pretty much a filler episode, we already knew about the arranged marriage and never brought anything new to the table but worse due to point 3 3. Why tf did they have to make blitz and Stolas childhood friends, like seriously why

[@TrixyTrixter]

I agree. Stella could have been a bitch and generally mean. But just making her a no brained evil to the extreme villain was just a bit to far. Sympathy is not required, but I would have liked something more than what we got. Childhood meeting and love at first sight was so dumb.

[@Isaac-Karbassioon]

@@TrixyTrixterwrong

[@Opalhibiscus]

It’s to make stolas seem less rapey

[@lunaitor-uq9hz]

I just imagined stella with a cartoony mustache while she twirls it and it's honestly funnier than any joke Helluva Boss has told in almost all of season 2

[@TrixyTrixter]

@@Opalhibiscus It didn't succeed.

[@Birdyboys]

This video has aged better and better as time goes on lmao

[@Jdudec367]

It really hasn't.

[@felixthecat5333]

@@Jdudec367keep being in denial buddy

[@xiaolin867]

​@@Jdudec367Cope

[@Jdudec367]

@@felixthecat5333 I'm not being in denial, all of the criticism she got is still true.

[@Jdudec367]

@@xiaolin867 I'm not coping.

[@payasita01]

so many fans in this comment section are completely misunderstanding what shes saying in the video 😭

[@denysvision]

No they din't, is more like she missed the point and make her own head canon

[@payasita01]

@@denysvision she literally described things that happened in the episode, then stated why she believed those things negatively effected the story, and made her own suggestions that she thought would better fit the narrative. People in the comments are implying she wanted stolas and blitz’s relationship to be “wholesome” when she literally said she preferred when they were assholes and basically doesn’t like that the show is justifying their actions by almost removing the blame of their circumstances on them (mostly on stolas’s part). personally, i have a similar feeling about it and even though i think their dynamic is interesting i hope they dont end up together.

[@denysvision]

@@payasita01 yes, but she describe the in a poor manner, like did she even watch pervious episodes? Everything was kind of foreshadowing, and her sugestion is bland in comparation to the show itself, the thing that she allways complain about, and nothing contradicts the characters because even season 2 episode 1 is aknowledge taht stolad did fell guilty for what he's done, he knows that all of that was one sides, i think people wanted the relationship to be wholesome, not hezu, because is clearly that both stolas and blitz have fellings one to another, but these two are obviously fuckt up individuals, which makes it interestin, and it fits pretty well with the lore since both hasbin hottle and heluvaboss share the same universe

[@blitzgritz]

im gonna be honest thats the problem with hazbin/helluva fans, they don’t accept any criticism towards the series :/

[@Jdudec367]

@@blitzgritz nah this criticism just ain't good.

[@NoGoodClownWhore]

Definitely agree that them meeting as kids was really unnecessary, it bothered me the whole time while I was watching the episode. Like you said, their dynamic of "two people in a transactional physical relationship who develop feelings for each other but have to overcome their own individual baggage" was already a GREAT dynamic for them to have. Adding the "childhood friends" or "my first ever friend" just felt so... cheap, safe, and basic. Blitzo steals valuables for his family and Stolas gets a crush on the child slave for the day, and nothing of note really happens besides the two of them having a somewhat pleasant day.

[@gigachad3925]

But to be fair, both of them still have pretty significant psychological issues and emotional baggage. I don’t think them meeting each other for literal hours as kids changes the fact that when they’re adults, they still engage in a morally grey transactional relationship where both manipulate each other. If anything, I think it makes the dynamic MORE complex, seen as Blitz leverages that childhood familiarity for the sake of stealing the book.

[@mxth_114]

for real

[@samflood5631]

Sounds like any angsty Yaoi/Yuri/Hetero fanfic or fan comic that I’ve seen on sites like Deviantart and Tumblr.

[@EyreAffair]

This comments section just further illustrates the point that "you're not allowed to say anything bad or negative about Helluva Boss, or else fans will get upset and angry". If the fandom creates a hostile attitude towards criticism, that's a huge problem. In fact, there's even a psychology term for it: "toxic positivity". No wonder the fandom sucks.

[@KiuOrchid]

I'm a fan, and I 100% agree with you. The storyline sucks, character development does not exist and their actions are just brushed under the rug. But I'm willing to forgive since it is Viv and her team first time. They could've at least practiced on writing fanfictions but hey, animations good at least.

[@LondonTransport466]

"If someone calls something you love a pile of shit, you can just shake it off guys, it's no big deal" -Cybershell, 2017

[@cortomaltese5206]

Helluva boss fans try not to get attached into a piece of media in a toxic way instead of going outside and meeting real people challenge.

[@Jdudec367]

People just disagree with her that is not being toxic.

[@whatever5180]

​@@Jdudec367yeah that's why the fandom harassed a creator until he dropped the show by calling him ableist slurs because he slightly criticized the show and constantly send death and rape threats to anyone who doesn't like the show, because they are not toxic at all lol

[@paintlightshine918]

Not gonna lie I was majorly dissapointed Stella was an evil bitch from day one. I would've definitely have preferred her been angry on Stolas for betraying her. Any other way where we don't hate her emediatley. Sheesh.

[@taniatokustar7737]

I mean there wasnt really anything pointing out she was a good person

[@paintlightshine918]

@@taniatokustar7737 neither did Stolas, from the first Pilot he was just some prince who slept with Blitz, convinced him to do things for him and still said a few things out of context that sounded still rather careless - probably his father's influence - there's a lot of things we probably don't know about Stolas. When he sung his song to Octavia saying "I used to think I was bold" blah blah blah "now all my stories have been told" in other words Stolas probably did things he's not proud of either, no doubt he probably did something he regrets. So who's to say Stella couldn't also have had a much deeper character depth than just someone who just.... Abuses Stolas, I'm not saying this kind of thing isn't possible people do sometimes act this way but it would've made her a more interesting character. Just personally kinda thought she would've been a bit more better if there was a different perspective on her terms.

[@taniatokustar7737]

@@paintlightshine918 vivzie did say that we will get more of her backstory in the future and that it is inspired by Elizabeth horseman so who knows maybe we will get more of her character

[@paintlightshine918]

@@taniatokustar7737 I'm looking forward to it honestly.

[@rocket6108]

for now this video is aging like wine, not being sarcastic

[@derricklopez1146]

stolas tried to tell his daughter in lulu land that him and his mother were never in love, but he couldnt find the words.

[@artmoryoo]

it's spelled loolooland with o's, do you want them to get sued 🙄‼/j but also I agree, even though before we didn't know much about how stella was prior to stolas cheating, it was pretty clear that their relationship was never great.

[@SaiScribbles]

Exactly. There's always been breadcrumbs that their marriage was a political one. But Stolas still loves his daughter.

[@phoney2627]

Despite that, Octavia still got the impression that they didn't hate each other so she wasn't supposed to be as outwardly bitchy as she is in the most recent episode. I agree that he was probably never in love with Stella because he's (probably) gay, but I would have preferred that their relationship had been more complex. Stella feels like more like a caricature of an abusive partner, it would be more realistic if she was okay at the beginning, slowly showing some signs of her abusive nature before Stolas cheated on her and set her over the edge. That being said I'm absolutely down for showing an abusive relationship where the agressor is the woman and not the man.

[@UltraEvin]

I think you mean loo loo land the one made by Lucifer is Lu Lu land

[@Daeneiracorn]

@@phoney2627 yeah it's called. *lying*

[@classic.3747]

I think all of those unnecessary retcons were made to make Stolas more sympathetic. Before this, his relationship with Blitzo was, as Asmodeus pointed out, a drawn-out fling that was ruining his life and hurting the people around him (he sold his life for a thrust). His wife now resented him, and his daughter was caught in the crossfire. Stolas' actions were understandable from an audience standpoint, but at a closer look, they were incredibly reckless, and he was most likely in the wrong (but still an interesting character nonetheless.). Now that Stella's character has been butchered, Stolas is just an innocent guy who was forced to marry a horrible person and craves real love. The prior nuance is removed, with every single previous criticism of his cheating being incorrect and the whole ordeal being completely justifiable. I don't think Asmodeus' line even makes sense anymore, considering the prince's life sucked before the "thrust" (and Octavia's "you ruined it" also stopped making sense.). Stolas became ten times more understandable and sympathetic, but lost a lot of his complexity. I just hope I'm proven wrong and the writers manage to go down the path they are currently building while still keeping the nuance that was built up in season 1. And I hope they do something to fix Stella because hoo boy, she's currently just an insufferable bitch because yes.

[@carlosluishernandez7729]

I will only say it is a terrible video, another girl made a video with more logic and coherence and I already beat her: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKuYg4JvnMujqNk

[@Jdudec367]

@@smingus101 it is not a retcon and is done well and no one forget anything.

[@Jdudec367]

These are not unnecessary retcons . It is still that now though. Stella's character is not butchered, Stolas is still not innocent as he still hurt Octavia. It is not removed at all and not all previous criticism of his cheating is incorrect, it is not completely justified cuz again Octavia. It does make sense still as Stolas had other options at the time, (no that especially still makes sense). Wrong Stolas did not lose any complexity. I mean you are already proven wrong and that nuance is still there. I mean Stella was always that really and does not need to be fixed as she is not broken.

[@Cherry-ki3ln]

Stolas' redcon was so painful to me while watching the show. Bro is a grapist turned uwu sad boi

[@thesupernaturalhouse]

Yeah, they chose to do a retcon and contradiction instead of doing actual chracter development and giving stolas actual consequences

[@Jonesy_Bonesy]

I kinda wished they didn't villainize Stella so much. I mean, I'm cool with her being an antagonist/bad person, but just like Stolas, she too was also forced to marry someone she didn't want. I wish they had explored how that made her feel, too. And be the reason she has so much pent-up hate and anger. Instead, they just made her an angry Karen since she was a child. While I love Stolas and wish him happiness and feel horrible for him to go through all of this, I feel like they treat the dynamic between the two unfairly. It's very black and white. They're only looking at Stolas side of the story but not Stellas.

[@starstorm1267]

I feel like Stella would’ve been a better character and maybe even give her a redemption arc if she was constantly put under pressure by her family to be this perfect image of royalty, and is expected to keep the royal family’s image perfect as well. So when Stolas goes and cheats on her with an imp, the lowest of demons in hell, it puts her and family’s reputation in jeopardy. So all the stress that Stella has build up over the years of trying to maintain a perfect family image just blows up in her head, and she has an anger outburst at Stolas for a while for betraying her and their family. Eventually she calms down however, and reveals to Stolas the issues she’s had with her family and how she felt like it was always her responsibility to keep their family’s reputation good across hell. And how Stolas jeopardize that by cheating on her with an imp, to which she then asks him if he ever loved her at all. To which Stolas would probably reply no, considering he’s gay, and both of them realize that they just don’t work together romantically but still must work together to amend their broken family even if it means they won’t be together anymore.

[@Cherry-ki3ln]

Stolas and Stella are in the same situation, but only one is empathetic because the other is an asshole from birth due to..... Plot

[@pixiefeathershow]

This make me see how the perception of the show's tone and characters REALLY varies between person to person.

[@wishfuldorian]

Right?? To me it was really golden recontextualization :0

[@TheRezro]

@@wishfuldorian The obvious big problem is that there would be shippers hoping form beautiful ship, who ignore that it was always show about toxic relations. Blitz was always shown as self-centered, but maybe also someone who suffer on attachment issues due to trauma from past and may somewhere deep inside actually care about Stolas and push him away seeing himself as unworthy (implied in human episode). When Stolas was forced into mariage (something previously speculated) but discover passion, what lead him on downward spirale in his already tense marriage situation. I actually do believe that in contrary Stella actually may love him, but have problem with projecting love. When Stolas was unaware of that reading her aggression as disappointment in him. After season 1 finale it is clear that this story may not have good ending, especially when it is rather clear that Paimon most likely killed Blitz family, for stealing from him.

[@wishfuldorian]

@@TheRezro Yeah, but about the shippers, the show can't really control that. Good, bad, fucked up, there will always be people who will romanticize stuff. So I just ignore that. And because it's such a tragic story that I love the recontextualizing!

[@jaycred8726]

Facts

[@brainthebrian3690]

Or shows how scatterbrained and hollow the writing is...

[@lordcawdorofmordor2549]

Stolas and Stella never being in love and being in an arranged marriage was implied, but the unexpected bit was that it was this comically skewed so that Stella actively hated Stolas and enjoyed tormenting him. Like, I expected them to tolerate each other's presence and feel nothing for each other and that's it.

[@firecrakerj3312]

I come from the future to tell you that… it gets worse. FAR WORSE!

[@thomaswest2583]

He wasn't boring in bed he literally hated his wife he had no motivation to try and make it interesting once they had a kid, and to be honest I think his wife was exaggerating. She seems like a sadist just happy to make her husband feel miserable. Just saying what she thought would get under his skin

[@DevinDoingstuff]

Yet it showed mostly after he had cheated, not before. It wasn't heavily implied that it wasn't as bad until he had been caught.

[@raidencele4492]

@@DevinDoingstuff the hell do you mean? she basically shittalked Stolas to all her 'friends' at the party while he was right there. Plus, Stolas seemed uncomfortable with Stella even before the party and looked mighty tired of everything when he got out of bed. He literally takes anti-depressants. I don't think his life was any better even before sleeping with Blitzo.

[@DevinDoingstuff]

@@raidencele4492 in this episode yes, not before season 2 episodes and before Stolas was caught.

[@raidencele4492]

@@DevinDoingstuff i'm pretty sure season 1 episode 2 was very clear on the fact that they have a very unstable and toxic relationship, since Stella was throwing objects at Stolas and screaming at him knowing full-well Octavia could hear them?

[@DevinDoingstuff]

@@raidencele4492 and that was after he was caught at the pilot episode.

[@sats2407]

Its almost as if Stolas started to get popular and so he and Stella got rewritten to make Stella the bad one and Stolas a victim

[@Opalhibiscus]

That is exactly what happened and she engaged way too much with shippers

[@lunaitor-uq9hz]

I honestly miss when Stolas had potential character flaws ...well, i mean, he has flaws currently, but i mean INTENTIONAL flaws

[@cherryvampire4589]

I'm honestly so happy someone brought this up, they made Stolas a marry sue to reasomize his actions. And making Stella a main villian, to Stolas so he'll have reasons he's not to blame. They could've make someone out of the last season episode and make more of Stella to explain her side at least.

[@DromusTH]

Facts

[@bags.]

Bro how is Stolas a Mary Sue? He has many large flaws. He's impulsive, a bad parent (in the current day at least), abusing Blitz dependency on his book for sex, classist and an asshole. The writers confirming the absolution of his potential wrong doing with the adultery removes one potential flaw. It doesn't make him flawless.

[@SirToaster9330]

@@bags. his flaws were literally retconned to make him look better. 1. He's shown not to be a bad parent cause he shows affection to Octavia 2. Season 2 showed that Blitz was the abuser 3. He's hardly an ass he's basically retconed to be a mary sue

[@bags.]

@@SirToaster9330 1. He's an awful parent in 1-2 and 2-2! In 2-2 he's more interested in screaming at Stella than even listening to Octavia. He then trapses around LA with Blitz instead of looking for her. 2. 2-1 does not make Blitz the abuser. Not remotely. Stolas is still making him sleep with him in exchange for the grimoire. Stolas holds all of the power in the relationship. If he revokes access to the book Blitz has nothing. 3. He absolutely is an asshole! In 2-2 he chokes the butler when he's angry at Stella. The few times he interacts with M&M he tells them they're tiny and to fuck off. He consistently calls Blitz a little imp, his play thing, etc. He makes fun of Blitz' business in 1-5. He invites his bootycall in his pathetic attempt to cheer up his daughter in 1-2. In 1-1 he literally ignores that Blitz is being shot at because he wants to get his dick wet. Stolas is an impulsive, classist asshole throughout the show. All he's been absolved from so far is cheating.

[@MagmaPaint]

I actually got into a heated argument with my sister over Stolas' sh1tty characterization because I took issue with his flaws being erased by this episode to make him as much of an uwu soft boi as possible and she pulled the "You just don't understand the character and refuse to!" card on me. *What is there to understand when the writing is this horrendous and inconsistent.* And if you have to answer the holes by dumping crucial information in a livestream that only the hardest of hardcore fans tune in for and not the show itself, that's a huge problem.

[@ettoremenorello3235]

I hopes this video stays up regardless of the horrible fan base, feels like Steven Universe all over again

[@PatzeShayminJeyawue]

We're saying we're not agreeing, not making threats or anything

[@littlestrawberryfaery]

@@PatzeShayminJeyawue keep strolling you'll find threats, sexist remarks and in general just foul harassment.

[@violak.8140]

@@littlestrawberryfaery u forgot the disrespect and lack of communication

[@littlestrawberryfaery]

@@violak.8140 One was literally like " yeah viv drew a lot of r÷p3 art of Addison in the past but why's that bad or wrong. You're just a bully "

[@Jonesy_Bonesy]

@@littlestrawberryfaery Honestly I'm not even surprised they're sexist

[@RollsJolly]

This places the idea of why I felt iffy about the episode. It just doesn't add with what happened previously but created a new one dimesional narrative of Stella, Stolas, and Blitz.

[@denysvision]

What are you even talking about? The story make sense with the character

[@RollsJolly]

@@denysvision The story does but for this specific episode, it doesn't fit right with what previously happened. Stolas was sort of alright with being with Stella until Octavia becomes old enough to take over, we would get where Stella is coming from with this knowing Stolas cheated (even though she is verbally and physically abusive to him. I believe she grew exhausted of him while Stolas was miserable. They both have their wrongs), and we would understand Stolas and Biltz position on either having boundaries between business and personal lives. This episode makes Stella a complete ahole with no remorse in her character and Biltz not showing feelings for Stolas at all but for doing a task for his dad (this part is alright though but still confuses mr). Also, the tree scene felt too shoe horned to connect with current times where Biltz can get the book while make Stolas feel he thought of the same imp for too many years; Not going lie, sort of can relate to him. This could have been worked on better but I still enjoyed it. I think I just put this episode as somewhat canon though some scenes seem not so likely. Really wished it was thought out more.

[@denysvision]

@@RollsJolly bruh, you din't even know stolas and stella relationship, in loo loo land it was obvious what kind of person stella is, and her abuse is way worste than her cheating, like come on, do you even blame stolas for cheating when he literally hat to suffer for 25 years? All of these where forshadowed, you just din't like the idea of it This episode din't make anyone better or the worst person, it only shows you more context of stolas as a character, and also the relationship between stolas and blitz because the two of them where unsure about it, stolas thought that he could have changes but somehow in epusode 7 was ruined and blitz was hurt by this, and he tought that all theyr relationship was just bussnises for the book

[@RollsJolly]

@@denysvision I don't really blame the man, she was very harsh to him. Though it would have been nice to see a side in Stella than aggressive from the get go. However, she still certainly a big ahole, it just the episode seems to push it. Not from the ending part but from when they were kids. It certainly would give Stolas a harder time to leave the relationship. Maybe in time of the show it will show more of the relationship since this episode didn't show all but hints and moments. I can agree with this point. The episode in hand made it felt that Stolas knows Biltz from childhood without putting together that the situation has changed. It doesn't feel right Stolas is oblivious to this notion for long. One thing I can add that makes me agree with the point is I realized Stolas still believes he can help Biltz, even if it's not the circus, he can repay him from being his first geniune friend by giving him the book for an exchange for love and passion. The intimate part was misread but Stolas believe he can get gratification from the situation at the same time.

[@RollsJolly]

@@denysvision Actually! Not going to lie, this reveal connections I didn't see from the comments of my. There are parts of the episode I didn't felt right. That's because it's just episode one, they will explore more in depth later. I believe it's the dialogue that doesn't fit with what happened previously but, it can be just me not fully analyzing all episodes before watching s2. I'm not too sure which part will fit right, I know some things don't add up. My main concern that led me to comment was the tree part and seeing young Stella aggressive doesn't hold up with the ending part which makes it harder to connect this episode back to previous episodes. Make the characters feel they only have one intention. Biltz in the other hand has many things going on.

[@theportaldestroyer9487]

'if we wanted an ''innocent'' relationship... Moxxie and Mille are right there' blitz's and stolas' relationship is not NEAR innocent. legit the highlight of the episode is stolas realising what a dumbass he was for playing right into blitz. the song isn't about stella and stolas, it's blitz and stolas.

[@TheHarlequinHatter]

Exactly! As a kid, Stolas thought Blitzo was his friend, when really he was just there to take advantage of him. As an adult, Stolas thinks of Blitzo as a romantic interest, when really, he's just there ot take advantage of him. This episode doesn't change their dynamic at all. If just gives it more context.

[@frickenpluto]

@@TheHarlequinHatter um no, not really?

[@heckobo670]

@@frickenpluto how is that not true?

[@aidan8583]

@@frickenpluto i think it just extends that same dynamic to their childhood.

[@pattyplayz5626]

THANK U EVEN WHEN STILAS WAS SINGING THE SONG WE SAW A Silhouette of blitz

[@ratsandmice1612]

My problem with Stella is that her entire character is just to make stolas look good. In the first season, her anger towards stolas was reasonable, and in the second season, it felt like they made her worse to make stolas seem innocent.

[@DromusTH]

Facts

[@samflood5631]

She’s just one of those female characters that fanfic writers hate for being flawed or being in the way of one of their fan favorite ships. Now I see why Season 2 is just bad fanfiction.

[@SF-hn5um]

12:28 Damn, you're psychic. The crystal DID end up being a test. This show has a complicated morally grey romance and is now going out of its way to unnecessarily make it innocent and pure 🤢

[@voxeldraco]

IKR?!?!!!

[@Jdudec367]

I mean....no he gave it to Blitz because he cared about him. How did it make it innocent or pure?

[@Snekysnitch]

I used to hate this review. Until seeing stars. I get your point now.

[@Jdudec367]

I still don't get it tbh.

[@BratzRockAngels]

​@@Jdudec367 Her points make perfect sense.

[@tylerlyons1812]

I enjoyed it myself, but it honestly confused me too. I never thought they knew each other as kids. XD

[@animezilla4486]

Yeah I didn't know that either

[@jem1is1the1man]

I mean, he's part of royalty. Is it that surprising?

[@smcphee8499]

@@jem1is1the1man it doesn’t make sense with Blitzo talks about him.

[@jem1is1the1man]

@@smcphee8499 ... what doesn't make sense? Blitzo never looked at him as a friend.

[@Rey_Palpatine]

For some reason I assumed Stolas was wayyyy older than Blitzø so this surprised me too

[@IndiCros]

The arranged marriage and Stella never liking Stolas was already implied, I'm actually very surprised that people are... Surprised.

[@laraprisma6381]

I always knew from the beginning and they still called me crazy!!!

[@ellieval206]

Yeah, episode 2 clearly implied it. When Octavia said “Back when my parents didn’t hate each other” and one of the things that Stolas stammered out was “We were never…” kind of really cemented that Stella and Stolas were never really in love for me. Especially when I remember how Stella was more angry with him sleeping with an imp instead of cheating in general. Really goes to show how people can perceive shows so differently 😅

[@randijean6041]

I 100% agree. I never assumed that they loved each other and when in S2 Ep1 Stolas says "I would feel bad if it hurt you but it didn't" I was like yeah? Obviously she wouldn't care cause she doesn't love him.

[@InTheVoid180]

FOR REAL LMAO i don’t even think they cared about eachother even before everything

[@theopulentone1650]

@@ellieval206 I agree. Octavia was only a child so she really didn't know what was going on in the background of her parents relationship. I didn't find out until I was an adult that my father despised my mother and all the drama in that went on in their relationship.

[@RavenAveira]

Valid points but nah gotta disagree on their relationship being implied to be 'decent' when episode 2 literally raises a ton of red flags to what type of person Stella is and what their marriage was like, literally NOTHING was retconned for that aspect. Stellas own words 'you slept with an imp' said she could care less if he cheated, but its who he cheated WITH she had issue with, which shows Stella doesnt care about Stolas or their relationship, just their image, red flag #1. When Stolas couldnt even EXPLAIN to Octavia their relationship and WHY he did what he did was the biggest red flag. Anyone who had a good/decent wife/marriage and cheated on them would just say that, but Stolas couldnt even put ANY of it into words, that alone spoke volumes. The fact that he was STRUGGLING showed things were way more complicated than we knew. Despite that the words he DID manage to use were extremely telling 'I felt-' [most likely 'trapped'] 'Shes always been-' [abusive, aggressive, violent etc] 'I havent been ha-' [happy] 'We werent in-' [love] How anyone heard that and DIDNT think this was the reality I will never know, but Stella has been foreshadowed to be a selfish, cold, narssacistic, egotistical, abusive bitch since the second episode of season 1, so the fact that ppl had this false image of her character and their relationship that was literally spelled out for you in the very second episode is beyond baffling. At no point was their marriage EVER implied to be even remotely decent, Stolas even sings 'I used to think love would be fun' implying he had an optomistic view of love until in theory [now confirmed] he was forced to be with Stella. the signs were all there certain ppl just chose not to see it and now act like her character was somehow 'ruined' when its always been this way from the start. And are ppl really overlooking the fact that she put out a literal HIT on Stolas just because he cheated on her with an imp? being pissed is one thing but how did anyone think she wasnt abusive and cold by that alone? she was literally on the phone demanding his execution IN FRONT OF THEIR CHILD WHO ADORES HIM. Stella does not and never has given af about either of them, thats been consistent, but I do agree with your other points like Blitz and Stolas relationship being retconned in some aspects, but the Stella and Stolas one definitely was NOT. Important note, this episode tells us that Stolas grinned and bared it and put on an act infront of Octavia so she could have a proper upbringing, based on her ignorance its clear Stolas must've sheltered her ALOT from just how BAD their relationship was to the point she has no idea what type of awful person her mother really is and only sees Stolas as the bad guy because Stella openly and loudly berates him constantly. Whereas Stolas protected Octavia from the truth, Stella could care less, there are TONS of stories of marriages where one parent tries to turn their kid against the other while the other parent tries to shield them from the ugly truth because they dont wanna get the kid involved AS THEY SHOULDNT, so I dont see how thats a retcon, its toxic marriage 101, hurt your spouse by making them the bad guy and muddying their good relationship with their child. And one other point but this episode actually doesnt contradict the second episode, that was the first time Stolas had stood up to Stella but it was only a fleeting moment of bravery until he was confronted by her, Stolas was obviously in an abusive relationship so him freezing up when confronted by her makes sense because he hadnt TRULY gathered the courage to stand up for himself and leave her, he was still afraid of her and she knew it. The same way he didnt have the courage to stand up for himself and Blitz relationship infront of Ozzy, it wasnt until he lost everything that he finally had enough and said to hell with it all. So no that wasnt a contradiction, plenty of abuse victims have a moment of bravery then tremble in fear when faced with their abuser, it showed Stella still had control over him while this episode showed Stolas stop letting her have control. The fact that he instinctively grabbed her wrist when she tried to hit him showed that wasnt the first time she had done that, but her shock showed that it was the first time he ever stopped her.

[@facebookuser1653]

Tl:dr : In s2 it is just shown that Stella is just a bitch the whole time. And there are no scenes in s1 that makes what she is in s2 does not make sense.

[@SpicyNightmare09]

Facts bruh

[@redaurora8602]

YASSS PREACH IT ON THE STREETS

[@SpicyNightmare09]

Most of it was just their opinion on the show like how it was “uncomfortable” or “awkward” which some people might think or see it dofferently

[@DevinDoingstuff]

To bring up a counter argument on one point. It could be that she was even more mad than she already was. Not only that he cheated but that he also cheated on her with someone of the lower class, which would make her even more ashamed and angry about it. So instead of projecting it another way to lessen it, it could actually have been way worse.

[@bipbopfriendtime]

I like to think that Stolas and Stella never had romantic love, but that they were friends. They understood what was expected of them, they had Octavia for that purpose and despite her conception not being out of their romance, they both still loved her and cared for her, but then things corroded. They were never in love, but they were once semi-happy friends. That’s just how I interpreted it

[@caravancanny23]

I honestly liked the idea of Stella being a sad wife, probably caring, loving her husband, and also loving her daughter. But, because of Stolas's cheating, she has a fallout and so does the rest of the family. Cheating happens all the time in a relationship even in marriages and it honestly hurts the opposing party a lot. This could demonstrate or better yet a nice telling story of that. I agree they did make Stella very one-dimensional, at first I honestly sympathized with her, as someone who was in a previous relationship involved with the cheating. The person I spent the majority of my time with, cheated on me with someone and hid it from me without telling the truth or anything. And it honestly hurts a lot and stings. I get the frustrations, and her anger seemed valid but then they changed the narrative to excuse Stolas's behavior (you can tell me it was referenced through the first season as much as you wish? But IMO it was poorly executed, I'm so sorry). It would've told a nice story between relationships of cheating and what can be done to handle if the other party lost feelings or something because oftentimes that does happen in relationships, someone just feels disconnected/ or their feelings for the person they are already with isn't there anymore and that's when the cheating behavior happens (I'm not saying all the time, but that does happen often in relationships). This could've been a nice decent example to portray it, realistically as well. Now, it just feels queezy and hard to watch. Especially with Blitz and Stola's relationship, that clip that you showed me when Stolas was drunk at the party? Made me very uncomfortable, I have nothing against the pairing (considering I am currently in a gay relationship, a healthy one at that), it's that scene placed a sour taste in my mouth, I did NOT like it at all, and even just during the series overall. It already portrayed the flaws of the ship, which most people in the Fandom choose to ignore which is very upsetting. I know some people are witnessing it now currently? Or some people caught on to it? But I know there are still some people who try defend this ship to be healthy and cute. It's not. It shows some very toxic traits, and I hope the show changes that, because massive yikes.

[@aniabellarkfraga]

hahahahahaha, how they look for him, remember when Via cries in her room and Stolas tells Stella? She answered him in a bad way and obviously disinterested in her own daughter, I doubt that this is necessarily due to the fatigue of the night. Stolas just sighs and gets up to go see her. In the scene where they are both arguing in the kitchen, Stella complains about her infidelity to Stolas. But something is strange, she seems to be angry that she was put to bed by an imp and that he embarrassed her, not because she feels really hurt, but humiliated, followed by showing us how rude she can be when she's angry. Something very important in the episode is to remember how Stolas cannot explain what happened between him and his Stella. It is noticeable that his voice breaks a bit and he even covers his face in exasperation, it is an obvious sign that it is something more than a deception that he committed, the problem came from before.

[@caravancanny23]

@Aniabel Lark Fraga okay but if the entire audience mistook it then it wasn't presented well. Ntm she barely has screen time like barely. So it's best to give her better motives than pressuring her as a villian and barely give her spotlight much. Imo it hasn't been presented well. If you understood that? Cool for you? But there has been mixed controversy over that said scene so, and there would've been more people saying the same thing. And legit people now are noticing that they are using her for scapegoat on stolas's actions and saying she's always been bad, but here is the thing? We don't know much about her except she's villian, like the least what they can do is show her more besides her yelling and bitching, because that's all they do without much context. We only see Stolas's perspectives, but not at all Stella's perspective and how her relationship is with her daughter. That's just terrible. Like if that's the case Stella shouldn't have been in the series to begin with. You could've had Stolas be a shitty dad and then later grow that way without her being the reason for why the family is so broken

[@carlosluishernandez7729]

@@caravancanny23 I will only say it is a terrible video, another girl made a video with more logic and coherence and I already beat her: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKuYg4JvnMujqNk

[@aniabellarkfraga]

​@@caravancanny23 I will only say it is a terrible video, another girl made a video with more logic and coherence and I already beat her: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKuYg4JvnMujqNk

[@KawaiiCupcake09]

Tbh with your idea, I like that for Stella tbh...It would add more to her character and would also show that Stolas is not some "innocent uwu baby who did nothing wrong", instead of just turning her into a flat villain character that just drives the point home that Stolas and Blitz are meant to be together...

[@rachelbrieger7954]

Ooh, boy. Coming back to this now that episode 2 is out. I’m sure you disliked it as much as I did. Stolas’s characterization is incomprehensible at this point. They made a complete joke out of his anger about Octavia being lost in the human world due to Blitzo’s irresponsibility about keeping the book safe. No actual consequences for Blitzo about this, nope. Just Stolas continuing to flirt with him throughout the episode, as if it wasn’t Blitzo’s fault they’re having to look for her in the first place. Really hard to believe Stolas would be in that type of mood when it comes to his daughter being in danger. There was so much opportunity for the rift between Stolas and Blitzo to increase, to create more drama, but no, gotta just keep the lolz going. So much wasted opportunity.

[@beatriceexd6676]

i just watched it now, the episode was so confusing and everywhere and everything went by too fast too

[@Jdudec367]

Nah Stolas's characterization is comprehensible. It was a good joke though. Because they were so focused on just finding Octavia at that point, they didn't have time for any consequences or anything like that. It is Blitzo's fault but Stolas doesn't actually flirt with him much. Not when they get sidetracked at times. It's not about "keeping the lolz going" it's about them being in character. There isn't that much wasted opportunty.

[@tortoisewarrior4855]

S2 EP1 was so, so much better than S2E2. It is my favorite episode of the entire series, and was well worth the long wait. The next episode was worth a week in comparison it was so mediocre.

[@bags.]

I loved the Circus but agree Seeing Stars is pretty poorly written. Hopefully it's just a dud.

[@tortoisewarrior4855]

@@bags. apparently they got a different director than Vivzie, so that was probably why. I'm not sure whats happening with the next episode but its possible Vivzie is spending time on Hazbin hotel, that will be much higher budget than Helluva Boss and probably have a better story although still fall behind many other shows as A24 isn't too rich.

[@ThePonderer]

I actually really don’t mind it. The episode plays Stolas for cuteness and sympathy, sure, but objectively what this episode does is show just how unhealthy the dynamic is on Stolas’ end. We’ve already had it shown for us how Blitzø feels literally shackled by Stolas and isn’t compelled to give any of himself to Stolas emotionally. That Stolas couldn’t pick up on that was already kinda sad, but now it’s clear just how little of reality Stolas is seeing and how much he set himself up for a fall. Just like when they were kids, Blitzø enters Stolas’ life with the express purpose of *using him,* and Stolas does not pick up on it at all, is almost willfully ignorant, because that’s how desperate for affection they are.

[@DevinDoingstuff]

Though that could have been done in another way, not necessarily shackled to a "childhood-friend" trope.

[@ThePonderer]

@@DevinDoingstuff maybe? But the thing is they’re not even really childhood friends. They met once, and while there *may* have been a spark of something there, Blitzø was using Stolas just as much in the past as they are in the present. I think the trope works when serving a purpose, and here that purpose is to parallel- in both present and past, Stolas doesn’t really *know* Blitzø, but he continues to stake all of his happiness on him.

[@DevinDoingstuff]

@@ThePonderer hence my quotations on the word. But even so, this episode does less to characters and retcons what was already good into something not as good.

[@ThePonderer]

@@DevinDoingstuff meh. Personally I think the retcon highlights the dysfunction and the tragedy of the relationship. Maybe this is just me, but I was given the impression by the pilot that Blitzø and Stolas had a more long standing friends-with-benefits relationship prior to the start of the show. Learning that the day Blotzø acquired the book was only their *second* meeting makes the whole thing way more interesting for how fucked it is, I think.

[@DevinDoingstuff]

@@ThePonderer it works with when it happened but not what happened according to Stolas and the episode. The aftermath and some of the dialogue in it is contradictory to season 1 and the pilot.

[@f00lish_commentator8]

This episode ruined my perception of Stella. At first I thought she was just angry because Stolas cheated on her but then no, she's always been a bitch. I already know that in ep 2 they hinted that Stolas never really liked Stella in the first place but still, it could've just been that he wasn't interested in her not because she was a terrible wife.

[@DromusTH]

I feel you

[@justiceperry8197]

Yo did did you not hearsay Stars cheated on her with an imp not 5hat stolas cheated on her but with an imp the lowest rank in hell rite above hell hounds

[@FernandoMazzo175]

@@justiceperry8197 r/Ihadastroke

[@Total_Misplays]

I agree man, but imo this episode actually ruined the entire show for me, because Stella was one of my favorite characters. Obviously before, Stella actually had a reason to be angry. Stella was happy with Stolas until Stolas cheated on her with Blitzo. She was filled with jealousy. Now, Stella is just some flat villain made to justify Stolas and Blitzo's relationship.

[@thatbooknerdoverthere7899]

I mean she was trying to have him killed, how is she not always been a huge bitch?

[@jazzratoon]

I can't say Stolas character was ruined, more like finally opening his eyes and realising Blitz was just using him for his book. While Blitz disliked being shackled in an empty relationship. I mean it my opinion, and I'm open to suggestions if I'm wrong?

[@DevinDoingstuff]

The idea of that is a good aim, the execution of it though was not executed well

[@tevenpowell8023]

Yeah alot of people say that this episode is Stolas realizing that Blitz was always using him, even as kids. But I don't think there's really any moment of realization on his part in this episode.

[@jazzratoon]

@@tevenpowell8023 I feel it was more implied than straight up on screen. I still standing by my theory, while just doing my best to enjoy the series. I'm pretty hyped for the upcoming Octavia episode.

[@scrollkeeper5272]

I feel this episode was like a hotdog trying to be a hambuger to me. Like the comdey is good, but the epusode itself feels out of place. Paimon is one of the few redeeming aspects, even though he's a bugger.

[@ma.2089]

@@DevinDoingstuff some of it was done well I feel. I also feel like I missed a lot on my first viewing too, so I didn’t appreciate it as much on my first watch

[@thegayghost872]

I kind of like what they’re doing with Stolitz, where Stolas was clearly way more invested in their relationship than Blitzo and that’s part of the problem

[@DevinDoingstuff]

The idea for the story was okay, but the execution was a step back.

[@Nikoolayy1]

@@DevinDoingstuff That is your view of the things as for me it wasn't and it was good enough.

[@HM0N3Y_]

Same lol

[@elizabethlee2136]

It sets up the pattern that Stollas was going to do "whatever Blitzo wanted" which is sorta indicating how passive and childish he is about his "True love" And he's replacing his anxiety about his destiny by making friends with somone his dad bought... aka someone he has power over.

[@nex3881]

From a person who relate to Blitzø very much, it’s not that he isn’t invested in the relationship in my opinion, he is very afraid of expose his real feelings (probably of something that happened in his childhood and/or in general in his love life , as Fizz said “your love life is a pile of shit”) and thinks that stolas doesn’t actually love him and he is using him just for sex (the most probable explanation is a fear of abandonment and insecurity problems that make he think that he isn’t worth loving). I think that due to both Stolas and Blitzø’s childhood and past relationships problems they have to work on themselves to work as a couple but nothing that isn’t resolvable!

[@TraumaSandwich]

THANK YOU 🙏 They literally made Stella an abusive asshole for Stoblitz which isn't even a good and healthy ship. Watch them actually date and be portayed as a good thing 💀

[@0Magicallywild0]

They are LITERALLY going through struggles already in their so called "relationship" its not gonna be sunshine and rainbows.

[@TraumaSandwich]

That would've been fair if Blitz wasnt manipulating Stolas' feelings which was all of ep 7

[@DromusTH]

This guy gets it

[@justiceperry8197]

Nah man that ain't ever gonna fuckin happen

[@aniabellarkfraga]

I will only say it is a terrible video, another girl made a video with more logic and coherence and I already beat her: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKuYg4JvnMujqNk

[@artvulture456]

Stolas just realized how bad their relationship is, that's why he's giving blitzo a crystal (so blitzo never has to talk to stolas again)

[@mizu2052]

@Eeeeeee Why would he do that if he acknowledges Blitzo is seemingly unhappy with him and shows sadness at it?

[@mizu2052]

@Eeeeeee it is related to what you said. sure blitz knows he doesn't hate it, but he NEVER gives any impression of liking it towards stolas. in stolas's eyes, blitzo does NOT like him at all.

[@mizu2052]

@Cloudux OVERRULED.

[@xo_lexie]

I disagree with some of the stuff you said- I actually didn’t mind a lot of the episode- but I 100% agree about Stella being one-dimensional. It really bothered me when her answer to why she was staying was “I like tormenting you.” It just felt ridiculous! Give her some character depth!! No one’s cruel for no reason! There’s always a reason.

[@maryamtara2934]

She’s a narcissist… I know how they are, literally my parent is like that

[@roni_macaroni6179]

@@maryamtara2934 just bc ur parents r narcissist it dont mean they all act like ur parents and the show is portraying A PERSONALITY DISORDER to be rlly bad and shitty and being like "omg she is narcissistic dont like her"

[@maryamtara2934]

@@roni_macaroni6179 most narcissists act the same there's no reason other than they're sick in the head and even if everything is according to them they'll still find something to cause a problem

[@maryamtara2934]

@@roni_macaroni6179 also why are this triggers over a youtube's cartoon?

[@maryamtara2934]

@@smingus101 no because you wrote 2 separate paragraphs telling me how wrong i am since you already made up your mind on what character this cartoon chicken must have... if that doesn't scream triggered idk what would

[@errorsansandfellsans7825]

I really hate how stella is just used for the stolitz ship instead of actually being a character

[@julieb8209]

I have always said that this story is in favor of stolitz. the creator loves this ship so I'm not surprised .I'm just here watching the reviews.

[@aniabellarkfraga]

I will only say it is a terrible video, another girl made a video with more logic and coherence and I already beat her: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKuYg4JvnMujqNk

[@chordsofsteel-i4j]

​@@julieb8209this is why im worried fir hazbin hotel

[@thedarkebika9488]

I think the fact they made stolas and stella of normal age just broke this World, as it was great that stolas being over 1000 yo and all

[@colingreen5553]

The fact that Alastor is canonically almost 100 years older than Stolas just does not feel right

[@xXDuskStarSkyressXx]

After being in sex and love therapy for the last few years of my life, I completely understand why Stolas is the way he is. It’s so much deeper than him just being lustful and him not being good in bed. Sex is a promise, a reminder that you are safe, loved, and cared for in that moment by someone you love and care for. You can trust that they won’t harm you. You can trust that they won’t judge you. Without that security, Stolas wasn’t able to fully open up in bed, making him seem bland and boring. Whereas Blitzo gave him the illusion of love and comfort as his first friend, he was able to experience the pleasure of opening up to someone who seems like they aren’t judging you. Being in an abusive relationship and having to have sex with someone who makes you feel hated, unloved, and pathetic takes a physical and psychological toll on you. It teaches the brain that you aren’t worthy of love and attention to the point where you believe it. Sex is so much deeper than just pleasure. It releases bonding hormones that bond you to the place and person/people you’re with. If that person(s) and place are toxic, that’s where the mind will stay, as the effects of sex last 72 hours.

[@xXDuskStarSkyressXx]

It’s depressing, really. It’s a harsh reflection of the world we all live in, where we take sex and love for granted and instead focus on selfish pleasures.

[@reinertherhymer1653]

Any solutions then?

[@shockercody999]

@@reinertherhymer1653 find the right person you want to be with. Not only someone your in love with but you can also see as your best friend. A person who wont judge you for the things you do, and will love you for who you are.

[@The_Practical_Daydreamer]

Stolas was being taken advantage of, not being loved.

[@joshi4137]

I, personally, love Stolas even more after this episode. I don't think the character is ruined. At the contrary, Stolas has more depth to his character. You can understand his actions and why he is like that. The fact that "it's hell" doesn't mean all the characters should be plain and toxic. This series is a perfect balance of bulgar and wholesome.

[@jax3938]

Same! Stolas has been my favorite since episode 2 when he got more depth than just being a sex crazed demon owl (though I liked him before that). I love getting more into his backstory and I want to hug him and tell him that *I* love him.

[@ccondelli]

Agreed. Also, not all demons in hell are terrible people. Only the sinners got their by being awful. Look at Charlie, she is a delight and she just happened to be born there

[@aliciabrock7620]

I honestly I like the fact evil because it gives Stolas more depth and character

[@l.r.4006]

Characters from Vivzie have always been like this - All of the characters we meet who are horrible in their own ways always have a backstory that made them the way they are. Angel Dust, the hypersexual comedy relief character is revealed to be a victim of sexual abuse and exploitation by the porn industry. Blitzo, who's an asshole to everyone close to him and a shitty romantic partner, is revealed to have deep-seeded abandonment and intimacy issues. This is a pattern that's been pretty obvious to me lol It's more realistic that way anyways. The most terrible people and the best people in this world are often the most wounded.

[@FREAKOFNATURE-mb8oo]

Same

[@yetanotherwannabeyt14]

In my opinion, I don't think that they "retconned" anything in this episode. based on the info they've given us, nothing is directly contradictory to what has been said/shown to us. There is (seemingly) some amount of time between when stolas and blitzo cheated and present day, meaning that their transactional relation could have taken place in that time, when it is referenced. This episode just gives us more context to stolas' feelings to blitz. While blitz's feelings have always been seemingly less true/intense than stolas'. Them knowing each other when they were kids changes nothing in their established dynamic as we see it currently, other than explaining how the initial "transaction" occurred in context. (plus why stolas wasn't really able to be happy in his marriage). *as a side note though: I don't think that stolas blushing at a boy that he thinks is nice/cute is in itself "love at first sight", just a cute lil visual to show that he felt a connection with blitzo at the time.(which grows much more later, off screen so far. ya know...after their relationship is formed in this episode)

[@DevinDoingstuff]

Except for Stolas going from a confident response on moving towards a response, back into a passive state where he seems to regret it. In which season 1 makes more sense for the character. Stolas wife and him previously having had no actual issues until the fated day of the reveal. Now it had always been a problem and the wife had always been 2-dimensional according to the episode. It also could have been done without making them know eachother since childhood. In fact, it would have been much better without it. Now it's just very... Disney

[@yetanotherwannabeyt14]

@@DevinDoingstuff I mean, that just feels like a natural response to a very "intense" and weird, spicy situation that he was in to me.

[@DevinDoingstuff]

@@yetanotherwannabeyt14 yet it doesn't add up with episode 2 interaction, where Stolas reverts into a passive state for the sake of his daughter. If anything, she would probably sympathize more with her mother because of it.

[@DeathKitta]

In a way it's natural? We might behave more impulsevily when we are high on emotions. It's not that easy to get out of abusive mindset.

[@yetanotherwannabeyt14]

@@DevinDoingstuff I think it adds up because of the fact that she was a kid when her parents were together. it seems pretty reasonable that she wouldn't fully understand why her parents are divorcing, because she doesn't know the actual full situation. And doesn't realize how much her parents (stolas in particular) are unhappy together, because as a kid she lacks that context. And for her they have always been that way, so maybe she assumes that that's normal for them.

[@elizabethk007]

Thank you for this video, you summed up what bothered me about the new episode. I thought I was going crazy for not liking it.

[@jimdotbeep]

They never implied Stolas’s marriage was *ever* a good marriage. EVERY other Hazbin/Helluva Boss KZbinr has always assumed the marriage was arranged. They even hinted at Stella being a shitty mom to Octavia.

[@somerandomperson5473]

@Sam Dreamurr beginning of episode 2 is where they hinted also its a picture and that was the only picture of her smiling plus via is a child things appear diffrent to a child then to an adult

[@godessnerd]

@Sam Dreamurr stolas was smiling because Octavia was having fun not because of Stella

[@ereddog]

@Sam Dreamurr she isnt actually smiling in that picture. she looks annoyed

[@farnese__1535]

@Sam Dreamurr No ? They literally didn't ? if you look at the actual picture the artist posted, you can see she's annoyed

[@meliodasthesinofwrath9244]

@Sam Dreamurr and then stoles said we were never...

[@retro6818]

Stolas was so lustful because He was forced to be with stella, she never loved him and they were never intimate and Stolas craved that affection, and then when blitz made him feel the love that he craved, he became overwhelmed and lustful, and he was also drunk at the same time so his dialogue is a bit weird ig, and after it was over he gained the confidence to stand up to Stella and divorce her. This ep also makes sense how stolas and blitz have a relationship in the first place, I mean why would a goetia and an imp have a relationship like that in the first place, this episode is the reason why. Also when stolas said to stella that there was no time to go to a hotel, he didn’t apologize or feel guilty so he was only apologizing for doing it in their bed and not a motel. He wasn’t ashamed of what he did he was happy with what he did.

[@breewashere]

Don't forget to add him being sèxually deprived.

[@shaestewart5318]

But do you think writing stella as a evil wife was a easy cop-out to justify his cheating? And blitz isn't really giving his affection; I relate to stolas when it comes to being blinded and not knowing love or healthy relationships. The stolas and blitz relationship is going to take alot of work to be portrayed as healthy. For now I'm not a fan of the pairing, it's just as bad a stella and stolas minus insults and slaps.

[@moondivine2288]

@@shaestewart5318 Stella never cared that stolas cheated on her. She was upset because Stolas cheated on her with a imp, basically lower class citizens in hell. Season 1 has a lot of red flags hinting that Stella was a terrible wife. Another example is that Stoals struggled to tell his daughter how unhappy he was and that he and Stella weren’t exactly in love. And there was the hit thing. I understand Stella being upset but, hiring someone to kill Stolas is taking it too far. Especially because their daughter would have been affected. Stella being an evil wife was never an easy cop-out if you noticed the small details in season 1. Does it make Stolas and Blitzo’s relationship healthy? No. Both of them have issues and help before they can ever think about being in a serious relationship.

[@MrMelonsz]

@@moondivine2288 It’s implied in the earlier episodes that Stella did once dollars but that is completely contradicted in the latest episode.

[@retro6818]

@@shaestewart5318 yes but Stella has always had a rude attitude to her, she’s even gone as far as trying to assassinate him. She did seem like the evil type from the beginning. And although blitz obviously didn’t show pure love to stolas, stolas was so desperate for it he took what he could get. And yeah he was definitely blinded by it and it will take a lot of work, so we’ll see what happens.

[@IMayOrMayHaveNot]

This shows needs to hire a script supervisor. It's the person in charge of the continuity to make sure everything is consistent and coherent, for those who are curious.

[@2l84me8]

The writing staff is definitely out of ideas by this point.

[@Phoenixthebest]

This show feels like the writers were making up the storyline as they went on. Because almost all the characters are inconsistent. I feel like the worst ones are Stolas, Luna, and Millie

[@Ryna113]

Its definitely not a retcon. None of the dialogue ever confirmed they were in love. People were theorizing about their marriage being arranged since the show started. The crew is always open about characters sexualities in both Helluva and Hazbin, but explicitly avoided saying what Stolas' identified as. This episode heavily implies he's gay, and them coming out and saying hes gay prior would have made it obvious their marriage was arranged and spoiled the episode, This was very likely always the plan. Stella is more concerned about her status than her relationship, in Episode 2 she doesn't get mad at Stolas for cheating on her, she gets mad at him for sleeping with a lowly imp in their bed. Stolas even mentions going to a motel and Stella gets mad about hotels being for plebeians. She never cared. The show taking place in hell so the characters have to be terrible and toxic is a poor excuse as well. They're not shitty humans that got sent to hell for being awful, They were born in hell. Hazbin Hotel already established just because people are born in hell doesn't mean they have to be awful people. Charlie is a prime example of this. Stolas and Blitzo both have problems, their relationship is still messed up and them meeting as kids doesnt change that. Them being friends with benefits is such a boring overused trope with gay characters, it was funny for a while but the concept ran out of gas quick. Its a much more interesting approach to have them unravel each other. Also the conversation where Stolas says he has a good memory and then says he barely remembers Blitzo's name is intentional. Blitzo saying he kills people now makes Stolas visibly uncomfortable and he backtracks and lies about knowing who he is.

[@DevinDoingstuff]

Still a retcon in the story

[@fluxhart7880]

@@DevinDoingstuff L + ratio + wrong

[@scrollkeeper5272]

@@fluxhart7880 That's just mean.

[@DevinDoingstuff]

@@fluxhart7880 L+don't care+still right+snowflake

[@CIS-m8s]

I see that

[@boxcutter4]

I do agree that Stellas character felt one-dimensional in this episode. I really hope they flesh out her character more in the next few episodes.

[@jcornscorndog941]

They won’t.

[@thelanktheist2626]

She was one dimensional in every other episode what you see is what you get

[@syniimon-stix4022]

@@thelanktheist2626 Well, as Stella's voice actress put it "hurt people hurt people. There's more to Stella than meets the eye" So, we *don't* just get what we see.

[@kirin1230]

Welp

[@kanishathecreatorofimagina7606]

Some of these points I kinda agree, but I love this episode and it’s cute, also it doesn’t really imply in the show that could’ve never met plus since only met one time as kids it makes sense that Blitz and Stolas barely remember each other, but I will admit that moment where Stolas says he barely remember Blitz’s name, then when Blitz says it, Stolas saying he remember Blitz’s name ending in an o, didn’t make any sense. Also, I feel the reason in episode 2, why Stolas was being sensitive because he wasn’t able to actual get the divorce yet so tried to act like it was a mistake

[@darkalicornkingdoom3572]

Stolas didn't say that he didn' remember Blitz's name, he say he only recalled his name. As in: "wow wow wow I remember we spent an afternoor together and that your name was blitzo or something, I don't think we know eachother enough to f*ck" , so yeah leanr the difference between "barely" and "nothing"

[@alexjewett7455]

He said he barely remembered his name, not that he didn't remember it at all. Plus, not that many names end with o, so that would probably be a detail that stuck out.

[@kanishathecreatorofimagina7606]

@@alexjewett7455 eh, I guess

[@pillowvibes]

He also could’ve just said that he barely remembers Blitz‘s name because he was caught off guard by the fact that he was sexually advancing on him. Like “aren’t we moving too fast? I barely remember your name”

[@kanishathecreatorofimagina7606]

@@pillowvibes yeah, I can agree with that

[@TomSketchit]

Watched to be fair, but yeah I don't fully agree. Honestly most of what I saw was well within my expectations of what I've seen in the show. I never really expected Stella to have much depth or be sympathetic, I always felt like the arranged marriage fan theories that popped up everywhere were likely, and I don't really feel like any of the past relationship stuff between Blitz and Stolas really changes much of the current relationship in my eyes other than contextualizes things. I don't feel like it's a retcon. It very well could be, but to me it does not feel like it. It works well, I enjoyed the episode, I've rewatched it several times at this point and still enjoy it.

[@undersarah6722]

I agree

[@Continent_43]

Facts

[@RyanOlakitan-zv5uf]

This girl should have been one of the writers

[@Mrs.wiskers]

3:24 It's kinda funny how she actually foreshadowed something that Blitz had said in mastermind lol

[@yes3801]

I genuinely hate every episode in season 2. Sure, the episodes were entertaining, but I absolutely hate how the plot went and how each character has changed

[@IsakAidee]

I literally JUST watched the entire season 1, and I know the finale came out around the same time as the entire season 2 and even then something felt off... it went from being funny, somewhat touchy but still degenerate and dark adhd humor, to being a fullblown furry fanfic fantasy. They even make fun about people who sexualize Luna, then go on to do everything they can at the S1 finale to give everything the creeps need for a furry hardporn fan fic fantasy and a waaay too long cottoncandy song which didn't have anything to do with the episode at all. But this retconning is fucking weird. People didn't want Stolas to be the victim. They wanted Stolas to be an interesting asshole, and they changed him from being a selfish, flamboyant super demon and a yet a loving father, to just being a boring and insecure sissy. I'll try to force myself through the rest of the season, but I noticed right away that I didn't lmao even once by rhe end of 2x02, like I did therugh the entire first season up until 1x7. Feels like too much time passed, and half the creative team lost touch or just fucked off from the project.

[@99onone50]

you got one thing wrong. the time jump is 25 years but Stolas says "over two decades since i last saw you" meaning they could have been friends for up to four years as children before going their separate ways.

[@hezureviews]

While that may be true, he did say "OVER two decades", which indicates they also WEREN'T friends past that one day

[@99onone50]

@@hezureviews ????no?

[@Atlassx0]

@@hezureviews I feel like you misread their comment. If it's "over two decades" while there was 25 years between events, there is room for them to have been friends for up to 4 years behind the scenes. I'm not saying that they have been friends for four years, but I also wouldn't say they have only been friends for one day as a fact. There's a lot of grey area so to assume one side as fact and disregard the other seems a bit unreasonable- even if that wasn't the intent. Just my thoughts

[@DevinDoingstuff]

Yet we don't get any actual evidence for it.

[@Atlassx0]

@@DevinDoingstuff that doesn't necessarily mean you need to just assume one way or the other. Yes there's no proof they were friends for longer than a day but there also isn't any proof that they *were* only friends for a day. Both sides in this debate can be right and that's just something we have to accept

[@171QA]

I really loved this episode. I will admit some of the scenes in the childhood flashback dragged on a bit, but I do appreciate the kids’ voice acting. You normally don’t hear voice acting from kids that good on shows without the same budget as stuff on Nick, Disney, and CN. Heck, the animation looked spectacular, especially the lighting during Stolas’ number. I think Sarcastic Chorus said it best in his review when he said this particular episode could’ve appeared on Netflix and he wouldn’t think it was out of place with all of their better animated content on there.

[@emerybell3807]

Almost a year later and I feel like the series has taken a nosedive. STOP INTRODUCING PLOTS THE WRITERS CANNOT HANDLE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Why was Blitzo's sister introduced??? WHY WAS MOXIE'S FAMILY INTRODUCED AND HOW DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT CRITICALLY????? Why was the Luna and Octavia episode so terrible and built nothing? We already have so much the writers should be working on but aren't and the filler episodes and new plot holes that will never be filled are killing me. I find myself physically cringing at the dialogue sometimes. I turn my computer volume all the way down so no one has to hear the fact that I'm listening because with how bad the series has become it's embarrassing. I also find that as the series goes on it becomes more and more evident that there is a lot of gay men fetishization and deep-rooted misogyny within the writer's team. It makes me so sad, but I don't know how much longer I can go on watching this trainwreck

[@thefvguy5648]

The romance music I think fits very well. It’s “romantic” and “arousing” from the POV of Stolas. Also, to play Devil’s Advocate. Stolas was DRUNK during that party, so I can see his emotions bursting out during that state and all the frustration he had for his wife. And the next morning, he realized what he did was fucked up. Not the best excuse, but you made pretty good points.

[@myname4577]

Yeah and I think the music was definitely implied for comedy, and it delivered well too (or at least for me lol)

[@vilmublues752]

Yeah, it was meant to be humorous and also a bit sad how Stolas saw it as this romanticized and passionate moment, when in reality Blitzo bit him to distract him and (based on his next actions and words) expected that bite to make Stolas lay down in pain so he can take the book. But it turned out apparently to the surprise of both of them that Stolas is into kinky stuff lol.

[@cupcaketv5673]

Yeah, agree. Also tbh, the romantic music made it a bit more uncomfy for me but I'm sure that was also the purpose. Yk as you said, to seperate Stolas's and Blitzø's viewpoints. So while it made it slightly more uncomfy for me personally, it was still good delivery imo (and added to this show's style of comedy).

[@Peach-Rush]

I can see that as a good excuse since the kind of drink he got is literally banned for being too strong!!!

[@ianoliver2224]

Another thing is that this completely breaks what we know about Stolas in literature about demons. The Prince of Hell, Stolas has never been known to age like a human EVER, and he’s been known to be alive for centuries. So, if these demons age and die just like humans… why is it set in Hell? If you have the characters be demons or have it set in but you’re not doing anything interesting with it, why set it in Hell in the first place? This is HELL, the root of all evil! They could have done so much stuff with it, which they kind of did in the first season, but it was all completely ruined in season 2!

[@SuperShanko]

I’m thinking it’s just for the sake of hand wavy easy explaining things since this isn’t about the finer nuances of philosophies and mythology.

[@Groggle7141]

Exactly! It seems that most of the people in the fandom don't know that Stolas was actually a known demon in literature, and was supposed to be an unending being like Lucifer

[@blueizumi]

I remember when this came out and all the comments were full of angry fans saying you’re not able to analyze literature correctly…now about a year later everyone’s coming and realizing many early criticisms of Vivzie’s works were prophetic and right lmao

[@lottepopowl6140]

Oh dude so true! I remember that! Paragraphs upon paragraphs of just defending the show

[@blueizumi]

@@lottepopowl6140 yep if you said anything about the show not glorifying it you’d get bombarded with its fanbase. just like with RWBY however people started to see past the cute aesthetics and humor and concepts and realize how flawed a lot of Vivziepop’s works can be

[@lottepopowl6140]

I hope more people will come to realize that the show is not at all perfection, but more so inconsistent writing in both world building, stories and Characters. Not only that but vivzie’s attitude towards critique is just downright childish and to think I used to be a fan of this show.

[@DragonGirl2000]

​@@lottepopowl6140 Same here.

[@brotquel1592]

I'm sorry but, I completely disagree: you count as fact assumptions you made upon previous episodes and your critiques upon canon and good/bad writing are solely based upon what you WANTED to see. -the pilot of ANY series is non-canon, it's just meant to present the audience with what they could expect with the rest of the episodes -episode 2 never implied that Stalla was furious for being cheated on... she furious for being cheated on with an IMP, a lesser demon, being actually HEAVILLY IN LINE with this episode and how Stella, even in the final fight over the divorce, is more concerned of how her brother would mock her -the fast way in which Stolas bonds with Blitz(o) is very compatible with how, even in his house, he is always alone and his father barely even remember having him as a child, making him extremely love-starved -Stolas is quick to flirt but awkward when things get serious... unrealistic? Seriously? Have you ever met in person someone you chatted with? -Stella's happiness in the family portrait fits the façade of perfect higher class family she wants to brag about with the public and mock with her friends Really, I usually enjoy your vids but this time not a single point was based on actual plot point in the show and more about your expectations.

[@Tricelde]

chill, its just her opinion on an animated show on youtube, its not that deep

[@brotquel1592]

@@Tricelde And I don't think I've been rude nor anything, but she's passing opinions as facts, claiming something as canon, not canon or retcon based on suppositions or what she would have liked it to be instead of basing it upon what was actually in the show.

[@venzurelabee]

it's bad inconsistant writing, and expectations were made based on the facts and story quality of the previous episodes so she is reasonably justified. this one sucked bad

[@brotquel1592]

@@venzurelabee inconsistant writing? There is literally nothing in this episode that contradicts in any way, shape or form. Stolas met Blitz(o) as a child, was it ever stated the contrary? NO Stolas was forced into marriage with Stella, was it ever stated the contrary? NO Stella is a selfish, shallow wife only concerned with the status quo, was it ever stated the contrary? NO Stolas faked happines in front of Octavia to make her happy, was it ever stated the contrary? NO Such inconsistance! Much retcon! This episode gave a background to a character which we never had a background to begin with and some claim it's a bad episode? ... ... Ok... suit yourself...

[@crimson232]

There also was the fact that some of the stuff he said like forgetting blitzo just to say he remembers his name a few minutes after could be explained with drunkenness

[@psychomagalor4902]

I would hardly say Stolas or Stella are “one-dimensional” now. All that stuff you said about Stolas and Blitzo haveing “layers” to them still applies now, they’ve both suffered from past or current relationships and decide to help each other out, they develop feelings for each other but end up fearing what’d happen if they actually committed to it and end up pushing each other way inadvertantly. It’s just now we have more context on Stolas’s side of the story and it turns out they’ve known each other a while. Don’t see how that suddenly “condences” things like you say it does. As for Stella, they make it clear she finds no joy in being married to Stolas other than the status it brings her and making him miserable. Obviously she got angry when he potentially threatened that status and hired an assassin so she wouldn’t have to deal with him anymore, but of course in the meantime she turned his affair into another form of mocking him. Sometimes people are just shallow by nature and I’d say the signs were all there from the beginning. Anyway thats my thoughts, definitely a big disagree on the video for me.

[@DevinDoingstuff]

Actually yes, they flattened into a one dimensional couple story that ends up the same most of the time. Married to terrible person of opposite sex, meets someone of the same sex and falls in love. Takes time to break up and ex makes things a hell for them, before they live happily ever after. A very old trope from fanfics to movies.

[@psychomagalor4902]

@@DevinDoingstuff Nah I disagree, this is far from the end of the story and theres still a lot more going on than just that.

[@scrollkeeper5272]

I'm sorry, but I disagree and want the nuance of season one back.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@scrollkeeper5272 Me too, I liked Stella more when her hatred of Stolas was more nuanced. S2 made being abusive her default state and it contradicts Octavia's recollection of her own upbringing. S2 Stella would never have gone to Loo Loo Land with Octavia and Stolas when Octavia was 5.

[@AJ-vr9hf]

Guys, it’s 1 episode. Let everything sink in before you shit yourself looking at episode one.

[@ghoostghost3336]

Alot of people are saying that there was no evidence they had any kind of "happy" marriage. While I think its true they were never inlove, its implied they tried to be or act happy for Octavia. (Shown by the picture of them looking happy at Loo Loo land and Octavia saying she liked Loo Loo land when her parents didn't hate each other so they at least acted for Octavia at SOME point)

[@DoctorTheo]

Ok, your point being? Lying about having a happy marriage means it's not a happy marriage

[@KiuOrchid]

Y'know, there was one fan made comic about Stoles and Stella, and how they met, they just became friends and one day, both of them were talking how they don't wanna get married but likes each other as friends. Stolas and Stella pinky promise if they ever fell in love with someone else, they would support eachother as friends. But than, Stella was getting pressured by her family and even her brother(I think) telling her she needs to do better or else. And that's when her pretending to hate Stoles, to flat out forming a toxic abusive wife who just talks down to Stolas. Just like how her family talks down like her. I just thought Stella had an toxic and abuisve family, including her brother, formed her that way. I just thought that couldve been added into Stella character, i guess.

[@silversoultheimp9928]

I don't fully see it as a retcon.. A.yes it's a best friend trope but love at first sight? I don't think so it's more just that Stolas is an awkward kid who yes finds Blitz cute but not nessassarily falling in love B. it explains why Blitz knows Stolas has something he can use to go to the human world. Cause canonically they don't really explain that. Not once does it ever explicitly say they never knew each other prior. C. I'll admit the wording of 'I remember you' 'what's your name?' ' doesn't your name have an O?' Is a bit confusing but reminder this is over 25 years he remembers a face but not a complete name this may just be me but I often remember people's faces but not names and if I do remember their name its either first letter or last sound in the name that sticks the longest. D. The declaring a divorce and then trying to calm her down doesn't nessasarily mean it's retconed. He was riding the high of being drunk and having a good night with someone he cared for more. Where as later he's had more time to think and is trying to damage control. I'm sorry but being someone who's whiteness a huge amount of abusive households that's such a natural response to abuse I don't see how it's reconning. Finally Stella was right off the bat shown to be her when finding he cheated on her to THROW THINGS AT HIM AND SCREAM! That's abusive behavior and that's only the start of it. Stolas also straight up explains that he only tried to please Stella and keep her happy to give Octavia a NORMAL Family Life. So yes when Octavia is born they both were putting on a happy family facade but they were arranged there was no true love between them they got married early ONLY to produce an heir to the family so to Stella has no reason to love him and likely just stays around to claim she's on a higher pedestal then everyone else. (P.S. the book thing kinda implies that the only reason Blitz was with Verosika was to use her crystal to go to the human world to do his killing job and this likely is happening when Blitz fucked up and basically ditched Verosika so she'd likely refuse him access to the living world and he remembered "wait I know someone else who's got something that can do that! Maybe I can snatch it." Blitz never really saw Stolas as a friend more someone he could steal stuff from as his father put that mind set in his head right off the bat. Just something else to think about)

[@RaspBerryPies]

You described it perfectly thank you! I see a lot of other comments also explaining how it isn’t a retcon but yours is the best I’ve seen so far, so thank you!

[@syniimon-stix4022]

Throwing things and yelling after finding out you were cheated on isn't abusive behavior. At least not in itself. A partner disregarding their partner's feelings so they can be in their honeymoon phase with another person is pretty inexcusable, just in general, not even talking about Helluva boss. It's not abusive to get angry and have emotional outbursts when your trust has been broken by the person you thought cared about you the most. I'm starting to think people just throw the word abusive onto anything they don't like.

[@Azure_Mxth]

ok to be fair. • stolas was drunk in that bedroom scene so he probably would jump between emotions quite easily. hell him proclaiming that this was the start of the divorce could still have had been influenced by alcohol, him very quickly sobering up to have that scene with stella in episode 2 • stolas never wanted to be with stella in the first place yet he tried to make it right on several SEVERAL occasions, so her line about him not being good in bed probably would have hurt him a lot. i mean he is Gay after all

[@NOWABO]

THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!!!!

[@qcumberSodazz]

I don’t Even go to this fandom, but I still find it positively silly that for some reason they already have started putting out s2 episodes when s1 isn’t even actually DONE yet??????

[@Snekysnitch]

Haha... true

[@Willows_under_ur_stairs]

Sorry- but it would have been SO much easier and/or better if they just started their relationship with Blitzø breaking in 25 years later 😭 like I get it was based off of some fan art, and probably not fully fleshed out before animating it- but y'all?? It has a ridiculous amount of plot holes- (don't get me wrong I fvcking love this show, but come on- that was not needed)

[@Vexcited_]

Hi Willow! Also although I agree with you to some extent, I'm not sure how that will work since I doubt that Stolas would just let some random imp who broke in to his house sleep with him. I do think that them meeting as children could work but it could be executed differently. Let's assume when they met as children they were 11 years old, they could make it so that they stayed in contact until like maybe around high school or somewhere like that. It will make it more believable that Stolas would tease Blitzo like that and would sleep with him. But maybe that's just me lol

[@Willows_under_ur_stairs]

@@Vexcited_ hi you found me lmao xD To an extent, you do have a point- but at the same time, I think Stolas only let him stay the night because of the just overwhelming amount of positive attention, something he clearly never got his whole life and Blitzø was and has been pretty much the only person to give him that, also explaining why he's so attached to him. The context of the bedroom scene is just so cathartic to read into and pick out all kinds of details hinting to behaviors they developed because of their pasts. Man I love ranting about them, thanks for responding :3

[@VicMeep]

5:58 that's actually a good point! I watched diregentleman's critique and they made some valid points about this episode and how it just seems so...out of place compared to the rest of the show. To the point it feels fanficy. That part where we see Stolas trying to appease her after she found out is so different from than what this episode gave us. It seemed to be more of a realistic and bittersweet take that a gay man finally coming out and experimenting, finally being true to himself despite hurting his wife and family in the process. Like some things I think a lot of people felt were fine like people assuming it was an arranged marriage instead of an actual relationship. Along with how diregentleman's video indicated that from what we originally saw from Stella, that she was more detached and callous for this reason but not outright abusive. Idk. I guess the striker episode kinda indicates that because who TF would hire a hitman- but it feels like we really needed more time instead of packing all of this into one episode. It probably would've been less jarring.

[@MGYT2106]

Just saying, it was implied that stolas had an arranged marriage as the community had all but accepted that fact before the end of the first season. It had also been implied that blitzo had met stolas, although I don't think it made very much sense having blitzo steal everything from stolas, especially with it not having any impact on the story (unless we have yet to see it).

[@cupcaketv5673]

But I think the stealing could've led to him still stealing from others in adulthood, like how he stole the Grimoire from Stolas etc

[@mortthereefer3343]

She keeps denying his homosexuality

[@wisteriaclaw]

oh we definitely have yet to see it, in my opinion. paimon IS gonna find out and that IS gonna be important

[@blitzgritz]

i do think this episode really REALLY fucked up blitz and stolas’s relationship. i already dont like blitz as a character (considering he threatened to SA moxxie and millie if moxx fucked up at work), making him pity-fuck stolas at the end of this episode was so uncomfortable and awful. same with stolas’s family LITERALLY BUYING BLITZ LIKE HE WAS AN OBJECT. it’s so uncomfortable. during blitz’s drug trip with moxxie when they got caught by demon-hunters, you can see blitz literally feels CHAINED to stolas. hmm it’s almost like he only has sex with stolas to keep his business alive/make money. like the reason he was sold to stolas in the first place, to steal his shit and make money. there is no care, or love, from blitz’s end. not to mention stolas is doing a really shitty job at making it clear that he actually likes blitz. he talks to him as if he were a little sex toy. not to mention, in the demon-hunter episode, he says: “what’s the matter, demon hunter? never seen a **real** demon before?”….which feels incredibly racist towards imps if you ask me. sure he saved them in the end but i could argue it’s only for his pleasure. they’re just so toxic with each other, i no longer care about them improving as a couple, im almost hoping there’s some kind of break-up or some kind of break, and a “restart” in their relationship. other than that, it seems doomed imo. and i’m gonna say it right now, i know this isn’t an unpopular opinion, but dear god stella was such a disappointing villain. completely ruined what she could’ve been. stella was boiled down to “she’s a meanie head because she’s always been that way :))” when there was such good potential for her to be an actual character, not just a one-dimensional cardboard cut out of a villain. i’m extremely disappointed with how they threw her away.

[@thatanxiouspotato430]

Yknow for someone with experience with abuse this video is pretty distressing to watch. This person seems to be really unfamiliar with how abusive relationships tend to go. The way stolas bravely relished in what he did with Blitzo infront of Stella in this episode does not contradict what happened in the Loo Loo land episode when he was denying knowing what he was doing. And that's because when he said that, he was lying. He was lying to her to try and appease her and save his own skin. He had a brief moment of bravery feeling empowered from sleeping with Blitzo but after that empowerment wore off he realised "oh shit, I fucked up my abusive wife is going to beat my ass" and then he goes into denial mode which is what we saw in the Loo Loo land episode. There were also a lot of other abusive behaviours shown being done by Stella to Stolas in this episode that they kind of seemed to not realise was abuse or just kinda gloss over. Like in the ballroom scene when she was telling everyone how "shitty" stolas is in bed. That was abuse, she's humiliating him. It's mental abuse. When she said that, it didn't contradict anything we already know about Stolas. He's still the horny, kinky bastard we know and love it's just that Stella is an abusive bitch who wanted to humiliate him for her own pleasure. I mean he was essentially forced to have sex with her when he didn't want to so they could create an heir plus on top of the Stella is abusive towards him. I don't think anyone in their right mind is going to be good in bed if their being forced to fuck their abuser just to make a child. The reason he's the polar opposite with Blitzo is because he actually wants too. He is actually enjoying himself. There are plenty of other things too that I could list but those are the main two in this episode that I noticed and this comment is already huge. I don't know maybe the reason I'm noticing these things is because I've encountered people in my life who have acted towards me similar to how Stella treats Stolas, and it's why I love him so much as a character and even more so after this episode. Watching this review was upsetting and I even struggled to finish it (I actually had to pause at one point) because how dismissive it was towards the abusive relationship being displayed in the show. The premise of helluva boss was never about a bunch of demons being assholes, it was about the characters and the relationships between them. So Stolas and Stella were never about a husband and wife both being assholes. It was about a man (or demon) who has been abused by his wife for years in a marriage he never even wanted. Who one day found the boy he met in his childhood, the first and only person who was nice to them and their closest thing they ever had to a friend in his isolated world. He has an affair with him and its the first time he's ever made a choice for himself, it's empowering. Later he regrets his decision afraid of his wife. But eventually he musters up the courage and decides enough is enough I'm not gonna let people manipulate and hurt me anymore and tells her to get out. That to me at least seems like a pretty fucking good story.

[@Jerebee-DS]

YES. I WAS HOPING SOMEONR WOULD SAY THIS!! Her video is.. not good. At all. It's really dismissive over certain things and GOD its enraging.

[@superherochestsymbol1032]

@@Jerebee-DS And I'll admit her "is viv holding you guys hostage?" Was kind of unnecessary can't lie. Like it was just a joke I know but yikes on it. I feel bad for viv and her team they're just telling stories the best they can like, and I've said before that no one has to agree on anything, everyone is just giving their opinion I understand, any criticism is welcome. But Idk why others are expecting HB to be a flawless masterpiece each upload either, they're really saying this episode ruined the show or was a mistake from a plot perspective, or its a problem that fans are praising it. Like yeah that's what fans do? Granted some can be a little too supportive but. Idk but like what do want from the show at this point? Like let it solve things on it's own rather than expecting big reveals and twists each upload when the show is clearly being episodic, or trying to be cause then when the show tries to be deep and plot driven, it's also a problem? Can't have nice things whatsoever.

[@zekethezombie27]

@@superherochestsymbol1032 bro frrrrr like i get being mad at an entire season or something but roasting a single episode that we don't even know how it has affected the story yet seems a bit harsh

[@kykycupcake1]

While I agree with most of your criticisms (literally like all but one) The one that I'm going to defend is Stola's going from "bad in bed" to "talking dirty & being super into it" I think the obvious implication is that he's gay and he wasn't into it before because he wasn't into his wife or women in general That's why he was so immediately comfortable with Blitzo He was his first crush and likely his gay awakening I think it could have been explained better since clearly a lot of people missed it But I just wanted to add that

[@AlexMartinez-gv7hy]

I honestly don't see anything wrong with the episode, even with the seduction scene cause I would probably be like Stolas. All seductive til it's flinged back at me at which point I be just like him getting confused, probably flustered and what not

[@Artician]

I agree, but... Stolas wasn't seductive at all until Blitzø bit him (though he did subtly flirt when he asked if he should be scared in response to finding out that Blitzø kills people now. So in a way he got 'out-flirted' and tried to change the topic). He only says 'ravish' because he assumed that Blitzø was there to rob him, since directly in the next moment, he says the reason behind the assumption was Blitzø breaking into his chambers. When Stolas gets bit, he instantly misunderstands and thinks Blitzø has genuine feelings for Stolas.

[@cupcaketv5673]

@@Artician He said "I've never had anybody *want* me this way"

[@Artician]

@@cupcaketv5673 Guess i got it mixed up a little. Well, my general point still stands.

[@AJ-vr9hf]

@@cupcaketv5673 that could be taken either way due to the tone of this episode.

[@thetea4093]

My big problem is what they did to Stella. She’s just a petty bitch because that makes Stolas look like more of a victim. It would have been much more interesting if it HAD hurt her, if she did like him and he betrayed her. It’s fine if she’s a villain, but she’s such a horribly bland one who apparently only does this because she just hates him so much, not even because he cheated just because.

[@user-ye6fp7kl1o]

I agree with the general sentiment But I'm pretty sure Stolas and Stella were never in love That being said I still find it frustrating how one-dimensional and boring they made Stella. She could have been a menacing main villain but she just...isn't There's no nuance to her character, nothing explaining why she's so terrible, she just is. She's not menacing, and nothing about her is entertaining in the slightest. The lack of depth could be forgiven if she had the attitude of old Disney villains, but she doesn't. Her entire thing is just being as dislikable as possible so there's someone to root against. And its not even fun rooting against her bc she's just SO BLAND The only good things about Stella are her design and voice acting and that's not enough to save her. She's an atrocious character with atrocious execution, who could have been interesting, but is not I don't even care that they made her abusive. Bc there were signs (that I admittedly overlooked bc I honestly didn't and still don't care about the show enough for that) to this. I just find annoying that they didn't do anything interesting with her as a character

[@N3rdzgummyclusterz]

To all the defensive fans in the comments, if you cant handle the criticism maybe dont watch a video thats clearly criticism

[@anintellectualclone1475]

I have decided to play devil's advocate here with some of the plot holes, since I believe they can be easily explained by applying some logic: 1. Blitzo was most probably just "bought" for a day for Stolas' birthday, since his father Paimon didn't want to care for him. Blitzo would have been returned to his home after the day was over. 2. Stolas screaming at Stella "This is the sound of a fucking divorce!" was probably just a thing of the moment, and once the adrenaline high went off he kinda regretted saying that. And when appeasing Stella and he says "It was unexpected, I didn't have time to go to a motel", he's probably talking about another time when he fucked Blitzo, or just straight up lying. 3. I do believe, even if they didn't have feelings for each other (being an arranged marriage and all), Stella and Stolas' relationship was harmonious...at first. Then it got progressively worse, and now, almost 20 years later, she just emasculates him publicly for fun. I also think that even if she was a bitch from day one, they probably had an agreement so that their fights never involved Octavia. 4. Stolas is still very much an asshole. A rich kid that gets unhealthily attached to people very easily and decided to project his own obsessive feelings unto somebody that is barely an acquaintance. But apart from that, I do agree with most of your points. Kids were cute, didn't have to meet though; Stella is one-dimensional, I think she was meant to be that way from the start, still a missed opportunity and the bedroom scene was awfully awkward.

[@anintellectualclone1475]

@@ShanaReviews i can understand getting overly attached with a childhood friend, specially being an only kid. But does he even count as a childhood friend? They had half a day of interaction. Some infatuation could maybe sprout, since childhood acquaintance romantic subplots are very common in movies, but i think he jumped the shark there when he thought blitzo wanted him (sexually).

[@msthecommentator2863]

@@anintellectualclone1475 he's a royal, he probably has no idea how to even make friends. To him, Paimon buying Blitzø is just how friendship works

[@jax3938]

Eh, I think the fourth point isn't him being an "asshole" or has anything to do with being rich. It's really a trauma response IMO. So far the view we have of Stolas' upbringing is that he was terribly neglected emotionally. His father doesn't even remember his name, the butler is also totally unbothered, he doesn't have any friends, we never see his mother even tell him happy birthday, = and we never see any of his siblings *on his birthday* so it's doubtful he has any connection with them. Then Blitz is somewhat nice to him, and he attaches himself to him. It really isn't uncommon with kids/adults with attachment issues/disorders. It is unhealthy, yes. But Stolas needs therapy (probably frowned upon for demon royalty, and maybe totally unheard of in Hell). But I truly don't think it's him being a spoiled brat. He coped with his childhood in the best way he could, and I doubt any of those issues have been able to be addressed in his adult life, because the trauma has just sort of continued with Stella's abuse.

[@captaintwitch340]

Welcome to the time where she provoked an entire fandom into writing essay length comments about why she's wrong.

[@ilikemetoo3088]

We know it happened before and it will happen again 😅 aren’t we

[@Riaah_love]

I mean, it’s a good thing to provoke discussion instead of the typical "ur wrong + ratio" aspect the fans usually give towards general criticism.

[@TapDat52K]

I think it was supposed to be uncomfortable, and you could also think Stolas was trying to sleep with Blitzo to get revenge on his FORCEFULLY ARRANGED Marriage. But I do feel like you missed something. Why can't Stolas be forced into a relationship with Stella AND still be motivated to be. Good dad, and work on the relationship with Stella until Octavia gets to proper age?

[@TapDat52K]

Still liked your opinion, and agree Stella becomes less interesting. Also not sure if it really is a retcon.

[@cupcaketv5673]

Exactly also what I thought, maybe/probably some stuff was supposed to be uncomfortable

[@moonlitlaurel8103]

This video gets better tthe more episodes get released lol

[@msthecommentator2863]

I assumed that Stolas happily screamed out about getting a divorce because he was still riding the high of his infedelity. You gotta keep in mind that, up until that point, he was quiet and reserved, not doing anything to stir the pot and allowing Stella to walk all over him. That was quite possibly the first time he's ever gotten such a rise out of her, and given how horrible she is, it's not that farfetched to believe that he'd say something intense without thinking. The fight we see in "Loo Loo Land" is after the blast, when the dust has settled and Stolas has taken a step back to realize what a mistake his actions may have been for other people's sakes (like Octavia). We also hadn't seen his daughter's reaction to the news yet, which could have diminished his flame as well since he loves and respects her *way* more than his wife. (Plus, hard to keep that flame alight when someone is literally throwing another mf at your head like Stella was during the argument in ep. 2.) Source: multiple parental fights that have stretched over several days

[@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS]

Vivziepop confirmed this

[@batgh0ul]

It's interesting how many points of view you can get from only a single episode. Althought I don't agree with almost every point you presented against the episode, it was pretty interesting to see such a different opinion and experience gotten from an episode that was IMO one the best and a perfect setting for season 2

[@violak.8140]

Im glad you respect the opinions of others ^^ not like most of the comments here

[@Ink_Loki]

@@violak.8140 I haven’t seen many actively disrespecting her opinion, just giving another way to look at the relationships and dialog that she deemed out of character

[@batgh0ul]

@@violak.8140 From what I'm seeing, this comment section is actually being pretty respectful for the most part. But thanks anyway ^^

[@nasrinnski]

This video used to had 4k dislikes??? I actually thought of the same thing it lowkey made me drop the show 😭

[@KiuOrchid]

Y'know what? At first when this episode released, I was too excited to watch it that i didn't notice about the writing is...mmmmnnot very good. I will agree with you @HezuNeutral. After rewatching the episode, I'm noticing so much information was just shoved in this one episode, so much conflict and missing puzzle pieces that aren't even answered or it's just going back and forth, over and over again. It confuses the viewers. Heck, even the characters are confused themselves. I guess so many fans are more excited about the characters than the story itself. Good video

[@msthecommentator2863]

Another thing, I feel you may be a bit sheltered in the way of BDSM if you felt that their love scene was that awkward. A bit, maybe, but I mainly saw a closeted submissive who was roughed up by a potential dominant for the first time. Also explains Stolas's boldness suddenly giving way to nervousness when Blitzø started responding in kind to his advances. Boy's never had a good time in the bedroom before and doesn't know how to explain his needs to his wife, which given how she talks about him, I can see why. And Blitzø didn't care about anything but the Grimoire in that moment, yes, but as we see at the end of the last episode when he's flipping through his photos, the very first one is of him and Stolas (who is asleep, important) in Stolas's bed. After that, we see more photos of people who are or have been special to him (Loona, Verosika, Fizz). This implies that, while their agreement started as a means to get the book, he's since caught feelings but still doesn't want to show them.

[@Artician]

Completely agree.

[@cupcaketv5673]

Agree

[@scootie_scoot]

I guess, but this is the first time they’ve met in like what, 30 years? They hardly know each other and if we had never know these two have a sexual relationship in the future, that scene would’ve been even MORE out of left field and awkward. the problem isn’t that they’re into bdsm it’s that there’s zero sexual chemistry until the writers decide there is, which comes across more as sexual assault to the viewer in my opinion

[@Snowstriken]

My problem lies with the fact drunk people can't consent and that Stolas was drunk yknow that kinda thing

[@bags.]

​@@Snowstrikenwas he drunk? He drank a bit but seemed completely sober. Contrast to him waking up at the end of the episode, having drank the entire bottle after having wine and having time for his body to process it. At the party he barely drank anything AND it's all of three minutes between him taking a drink and begging for sex.

[@dietben9309]

The people that disagreed are a perfect example of what happens when you puff extreme amounts of copium🗿

[@rjred1861]

All of Stolas’ actions in this episode are completely understandable and him questioning if he means anything to Blitzo is valid as hell.

[@xRadinox]

Thank you! Please don't back down to the irrational fan simps that can't take an opinion is not theirs.

[@PatzeShayminJeyawue]

I'm a fan and don't agree what she says but some comments from our fan base are just brainless mockery, I still hope that non-fans think we are all the same like that

[@russellsprout7480]

I've been binging these and I never realised how much my brain fog affects the way I enjoy a show because I NEVER noticed these inconsistencies, and now they're so blatantly obvious 😭

[@rachel2064]

Completely agree with you on so many points. I used to like Helluva Boss, but by the end of season 1, I was already less appealed by the story. Season 2 has so many flaws so far. Thank you for your review👍🏾

[@tinybrainboy]

Well, I personally think the writing of this episode is really good and I disagree to most of your points. The changements you propose are interesting but it would change too much the character of Stolas rather than correcting him. Stolas, as a child, didn't had any friends, his father didn't give him that much attention, and he was destined to an arranged marriage. He clearly wasn't really lucky with relationships in general. However, he clearly had a crush on Blitz the first time he saw him. The day he had with him being one of the happiest day of his life and the admiration he had for Blitz who wants to be his own boss and to do whatever he want (what Stolas can't do) turned into a sort of obsession on Blitz. No wonder he still remember him 25 years later, even if he had some missing details. I don't know if he realized he was being used by Blitz in the past when he rob him but I do think he kinda realize that Blitz just wanted his grimoire, but he was okay with it. If it could give him the novelty, the freedom and a illusion of choise one in his life, then he was okay with it and even played with it (I say that according to the song of this episode that explain all of that). But he now realized how foolish it was and he wants to let go that illusion of a relationship he had with Blitz by giving him a crystal to go to the mortal realm without him being used and him using Blitz And seeing what I'm saying right now, it is not that much out of character for Stolas to look at the wall when he's with Stella when immediately start talking dirty with Blitz. It's new, it's a person he admire, it's scandalous, he likes it. For Stella, I think it's a little bit late to realize that there is not that much good in her. I agree tho that she is a little flat as a character, but it was pretty clear that the reason of her anger wasn't love but the embrassement Stolas give her for cheating on her with an imp. And it was clear too that she didn't really liked Stolas or Octavia, according to her who don't even want to take care of Octavia in episode 2 while she cry at night. But to Stolas, Octavia is the only good thing this marriage give him. A lot of his daddy issues shown in this episode explain the way he act around Octavia. He try to not be like his father and give her all the attention she needs (or all least try to) Also the relationship between Stolas and Stella was a mess since the very beginning, despite the effort of Stolas for hiding it and have a normal life with his family, principally for his daughter. With the cheating accident, all that mess popped out, and Octavia noticed it. They never loved each other, but Octavia believed they did, they were just hiding their conflicts. And making them love each other at the beginning would change that too much. I don't even know if what I say is clear, but I needed to say that xD

[@avivastudios2311]

It's so strange that the fans, who have watched this show more than Hezu as I can imagine, are defending this retcon that is CLEARLY a retcon.

[@quadchairman4895]

Yeah, there's a bunch of cringe comments that make me question if they've been watching the same show. Everyone is interpreting things while you lay out the facts. I left the last episode with a weird feeling but was just happy to see a new episode. But as soon as that went away I realized a lot of what was talked about. Thanks for helping put into words what was bothering me about this episode since it's been a while since I've seen season 1.

[@denysvision]

These whrere fact, she is lietally wrong with everything she said in the video

[@quadchairman4895]

@@denysvision wow, EVERYTHING? That's crazy man, thanks for opening my eyes.

[@pedrosaabedra5653]

I know right, I hate retconning, its one of the worst writings I have seen. Watch this comment get flooded with angry comments about me being wrong.

[@LauraAmyWilliamsOfficial]

Despite my admiration for the second season starting interestingly by establishing the origins of Blitzo and Stolas, you have brought up some very agreeable points on why you consider the episode’s writing flawed. I still think the writers can work their way to avoid reducing Stolas to a Gary-Stu and that can be an expansion on his and Blitzo’s childhoods to validate backstories for Fizzarolli and Stella. Stolas is still my favourite character, but I am a little disappointed that there have been a few contradictions.

[@IsomerMashups]

I always assumed the marriage was arranged, but that they got along acceptably until recently. Everything else I agree with. Stolas used to be my favourite character. He is not anymore.

[@marksalmoneussorcerersupreme]

Those are all valid points. Looking deeper into it, the Episodes are side stepping the previous ones with contradictory information it seems.

[@Chibiibot]

It's kinda obvious vivziepop doesn't hire a continuity supervisor, or like, anyone to review the script cause these inconsistent story beats are all over the place in helluva boss and even the hazbin hotel pilot

[@denysvision]

Or the writting is fine, is just you people taht nickpiking at everysingle thing just becuase you guys din't like the direction

[@Chibiibot]

@@denysvision I never said the writing was bad, just inconsistent. If she got a supervisor to tighten the story/lore, it would help alot.

[@denysvision]

@@Chibiibot is not incosistsent, is just you that din't pay atebtion to the show, and she already has a co-writer on it, now you will have your own show and you will see how hard is to make

[@littlestrawberryfaery]

Viv puts in anything her fans want so they'll praise her.. It ruins the show tbh

[@denysvision]

@@littlestrawberryfaery false, as i stated before all of this was planed out