Here's WHY the Ferrari F80 Should NOT be a V12 and IS a Halo Hypercar!

[@RichReviews_]

Is a V6 twin turbo hybrid a worthy successor to the NA V12 La Ferrari and worthy addition to the Ferrari Halo Supercar Big 6? Today we discuss in detail while out for a drive in our stunning Lotus and also compare against the other Hypercars in Holy Trinity 2, the McLaren W1 and the Porsche Mission X! But what do YOU think? Do you believe the F80 should be a V12 or keep to their racing tradition? Let me know in the comments below...

[@tomdtom5407]

288 GTO and F40 V8 twin turbo, so v12 is not a rule

[@1erickf50]

Either a V12 or even a V10 because those were Ferrari's most famous and remembered F1 days. Bringing the infamous V6 of current vacuum cleaners just don't give it justice, even more with such low RPMs. This should be a Ferrari, not a Ford.

[@RichReviews_]

The Ferrari Halo Supercar range is about relating to what’s current in their motorsport programme. The 499P is based around a 3.0 V6 twin turbo hybrid which is the same for the F80.

[@1erickf50]

@@RichReviews_ Current F1 has been disappointing despite its improved track results, thus it's no surprise the 499P and the F80 would drag the same curse with them.

[@tomdtom5407]

@@1erickf50 "even more with such low RPMs". So are you saying that the hybrid twin turbo v6 is slower? The f80 is much faster than La Ferrai in Fiorano. The electric motors provide torque at zero RPM, so...

[@Alwaysontime-dh1gz]

I simply love it! But im biased as im Tifosi

[@VinceroAlpha]

Your video proves the point of why so many people don’t like the new Ferrari halo car. You have to sound like a salesman going down the specifications of a hybrid, so genuinely convinced people to even entertain the idea of buying it aside from groundbreaking technology in the supercar, hyper car games you have to Also focus on design and feel which the F 80 does not have

[@RichReviews_]

Well, not really...you have to understand Ferrari...Enzo Ferrari started making production cars with the V12 125S Purely to fund racing...it started out as being All About the Racing and therefore their Halo cars are designed around that original ethos.

[@VinceroAlpha]

@@RichReviews_ That part still holds true but again you’re missing the point ever since the F 40, the halo cars of Ferrari have usually set the pace for the brand and again asking that much money from people you have to hit on the nonsensical, meaning emotion. The Technical specs alone won’t sell the car, having a an engine derived from the race car will help but leaves nothing to the imagination. The one thing that the Italians can do that literally nobody else can is put emotion into design. Ferraris are known for their racing pedigree, innovation and gorgeous looks and being in the Hypercar segment you cannot afford to be just made it can be Love or it can be hates. This is a forgettable design and from a brand like Ferrari that is unforgivable. It’s one thing for me to say oh I hate that car. It looks ugly or hate the design, but it’s another thing for me to say I’m just disappointed ☹️. Not happy not sad not frustrated not angry just, ehh. That feeling should only be used to describe regular cars, sports cars, and even some super cars but halo cars that should enter any enthusiasts mind.

[@lemonjuice6177]

If you are dumb and just look at a car superficially you are not a car guy, you are a woman.

[@mody6930]

I would take FXXK EVO 🏁

[@bushgreen260]

*But V6 is inferior to V12, so why do you keep saying blueprint for the future when V6 is many steps back?* The reason it is V6 is because it is used in Formula 1 and le mans. The Ferrari halo car is always based off their Formula 1 car. It's supposed to be a formula car for the roads. Having only a v6 feels very cheap. You can only get a v12 in a supercar. You would expect a v12 in your hypercar definitely. I still think they should have put a v12 or v10 so it can produce more power. I would have liked to see 1500bhp so it wouldn't lose to cars like tesla in a drag race and have a bigger power output gap between the sf90 and it's successor. I do like the boxy design because it looks unique and stands out more. We've never seen a design like this. It looks cyberpunk.

[@RichReviews_]

I say blueprint for the future because this is what Ferrari do with their Halo Supercar range.

[@fjandro9646]

What are you talking about inferiority? I literally can have a V12 Mercedes for 10k but not a V6 GTR for that price. The only thing that determines superiority for an engine is power output, not number of ciliders an audi Q7 is not more exclusive than a Koenigsegg

[@mrsetiawansudjie]

i think the idea is within the story.... Like , F50 - To build the ultimat F1 road car exprience in that uses its F1 engine. Thats the idea period..... F80 - To build a Le Mans street legal car with its le Mans engine..... That is why they need to fit the V6 otherwise the story wouldn't be fit right? I guess ppl don't want understand this. I feel its cool idea and moving forward with the stupid concept of the louder the better stupid concept most today's youtuber make. Take Lexus LFX as example then u will understands. Ferrari's collectors will under this... This is not for lambo owner, american muscle car fans or most current content creators whom will be disppointed because they are missing ferreri's company's culture. This is my take for the F80.....

[@RichReviews_]

To some extent yes…The F50 has great racing heritage being based on the F1 platform with an F1 detuned V12 that is designed as part of the structural strength of the car…now that is Race Car!

[@mrsetiawansudjie]

​​@@RichReviews_​Iyea to some extend you are right. The only thing i dislike they went with the hybrid. But for Ferrari and their Collectors would be proud to own ferreri winning Le Mans 499p story and be history. For ferrari and their collector that matter most. To proof my point is when the F50 first came out, all ppl were disappointed with its performances being slow then the F40. But see what happen to F50 now..... The way i see the success of F80 will repeats with their 499p le Mans platform and engine dispute add hybrid will still give a their Le Mans experience and story.... But again they need add their hybrid otherwise it would be a 296 with a Mansory BodyKit right lol.... So with the Hybrid is a perfect fit to bring it to a higher level

[@1erickf50]

@@mrsetiawansudjie Fun thing is that the F50 was only slightly faster than the F40 at Fiorano *while being a bit less powerful than the F40's real numbers and weighting almost 400lb more*. That's remarkable in terms of grip and downforce. Problem with that is that the F80 is not only hybrid but it also has a V6, half the cylinders and less than a quarter the sound... It's like assembling a racing chassis with a hybrid Prius' drivetrain... There's nothing remarkable to brag about and most people would certainly think it's not a Ferrari but a rebranded Toyota...

[@RichReviews_]

The main reason for the F50 success was its direct use of their detuned F1 powerplant and definitive limited numbers.

[@1erickf50]

@@RichReviews_ Limited numbers means exclusiveness. That's how Ferrari became known for a "bragger band". It's unfortunate the F80 had to be derived from the vacuum cleaners and promote an engine easy to find in a Toyota Supra or even a Prius if you count the hybrid tech.

[@MichaelJoseph-ut3md]

Given that Ferrari's customer base is closely involved in the development of hypercars, they do not have to justify them to the general public.

[@UKBUILT]

I wish it was styled more like the LM car 😍 I'm using a V12 for my project 😎

[@RichReviews_]

Good luck with your project.

[@SF50_index]

F80 is such a disappointment and will only turbocharge the demand and value of the Big 5 and SP1/2/3 and everything else Maranello‘s finest that is a limited edition. We have done a market value forecast for the F80 but will do in depth analysis very soon

[@RichReviews_]

Why a disappointment? I feel most are misunderstanding the heritage of Ferrari. Market Value Forecast? Instantly double in value increasing to circa 3-5 times retail in 5-8 years…pretty much standard practise for Ferrari Halo cars.

[@S2000Y]

Maranello's has one in red and yellow. Ghastly

[@RichReviews_]

Yes saw those. Giallo does work for the F80

[@gregpearce8669]

I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the first Ferrari halo car to depreciate, personally I would not want one. SP3 Daytona is the one for me, that and a speciale 😜

[@RichReviews_]

Not a hope of decreasing in value…all 799 instantly allocated and sure to be worth substantially in excess of purchase price as soon as they are delivered.

[@gregpearce8669]

@@RichReviews_ Initially yes, but give it 3 - 4 years I wouldn't be surprised if they are worth less than list

[@RichReviews_]

Many disliked the LAF when it was released and nowhere look at its values. I suspect the F80 will do the same.

[@pandamera1]

On one hand, I feel like the design of the car doesn’t have the grace or elegance as the previous five vehicles in Ferrari’s halo lineup. Maybe it’ll grow on me with different colors and such, but I dunno. Time will tell. But on the other hand, I’m glad Ferrari is taking a big risk with this vehicle. The fact it’s got actual racing pedigree behind it makes it all the more special, in my opinion. I really don’t mind the fact that it has a twin turbo V6 engine or the fact it’s all-wheel drive. If you need to put that power down and keep it planted to the road, I’m all for it. I just wish at some point Ferrari and many of these other car brands go back to building manual transmissions for their cars. It probably won’t happen, but one can hope. This is going to be interesting. Also, I loathe this new legislation involving EVs. I *loathe* it…

[@RichReviews_]

You pretty much nailed my thoughts on the F80...at least Ferrari are keeping to their race pedigree and not trying to re-hash the La Ferrari...great though it may be.

[@markyamaguchi9571]

Ferrari just bring back pininfarina and make Ferrari beautiful again

[@RichReviews_]

That would be cool

[@markyamaguchi9571]

🙏

[@FERAS-ALKHATEEB]

They all already soldout so there is no point for them to do that

[@markyamaguchi9571]

@FERAS-ALKHATEEB that's a shame 😭

[@markyamaguchi9571]

All in house Ferrari design don't have that pininfarina touch even the laferrari

[@RichReviews_]

That all ended with the 458 and F12.

[@markyamaguchi9571]

@@RichReviews_ 😭

[@550panerai5]

By 2014 (LaFerrari era) Ferrari and F1 were already using a V6 turbo in their F1 car. F14T. I don’t buy the logic of “race to road” power units. Ferraris last V12 race engine was 1994, which means Enzo should have been V8 and LaF V6 or V8. Following the “race to Road” logic.

[@RichReviews_]

I to some level agree with regards Enzo and LAF...as I detailed in the video.

[@aquenture]

99% of these comments won’t ever touch an F80 yes are the loudest

[@markyamaguchi9571]

Looks like a GTA racing car

[@edudilascio]

I did.

[@RichReviews_]

Do you prefer it to the Laferrari?

[@Rex_Racer]

My biggest issue is with the styling. I wish they had Pininfarina style it, rather than in-house. It’s a shame that a Ferrari halo car looks so gaudy.

[@RichReviews_]

Here they possibly should have stepped more away from the 499P styling and gone for more aesthetics over function.

[@Rex_Racer]

@@RichReviews_ I think the Dino 246’s spiritual successor is the Emira. Transverse V6, mid-engine, manual, clear steering, curvaceous body, not the quickest car on the road in its day, but a joy to drive. Don’t know if you have any access to one, but a comparison would be a great watch!

[@MichaelJoseph-ut3md]

Pininfarina's last Ferrari was the Enzo I believe (correct me if I am wrong), that was rather forgetable. At some point performance dictates form, it's an uncomfortable reality.

[@1erickf50]

*Just nope.* That formula worked well for the 296 GTB because it was the revival of the V6 Dino, a well remembered anomaly lots of enthusiasts wanted back. But such anomaly wasn't a halo car. Hybrid is okay when done right (aka LaFerrari), this Hybrid V6 formula isn't. It doesn't stand out at all, specially when there's lots of Toyotas, Lotus, Fords, Alfa Romeos and more with the same exact engine and technology. It doesn't even rev high enough to make a difference. There's literally nothing to brag about save for the logo-scuderia. Its design still suffers the loss of Pininfarina and it doesn't even offer the raw connection of driver-car-track racecars used to deliver. Even in the hypothetic scenario of Enzo alive, he'd just squirm since he valued the engine more than the rest for racing: “Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines.”

[@RichReviews_]

Did you watch the full video? There’s very good reason why Ferrari chose the V6 hybrid platform. In addition the F80 revs to 9,200 which is quite impressive for a force fed V6.

[@1erickf50]

@@RichReviews_ It doesn't even qualify for a good reason, tbh. The rpm is still lower than the F50's 9500 redline and the F50GT's 11500 rpm, and that's not even the complete range of the engine compared to when it was used in the 333SP and the 612 Formula One. Sure, it can be remarkable for a turbo V6, but so it is for any tuned Supra or 911 out there. I'm not falling for the scam Ferrari pulled when it was advertising the "baby-V12" for the 296 GTB. It could have had acceptable sound with higher rpms than any other engine, I remember a particular V6 car or BMW that sounded close to a V12 due to its high revolutions...

[@1erickf50]

found one high revving V6: Mercedes-Benz C-Class DTM at 12,000 RPM

[@richardmcniece884]

This thing is what I would expect if Ferrari was a German car company. This was built by technical specs not passion (and it looks like shit). I guess the era of true Ferrari's is over.

[@NinjaKiller1022]

The SF90 FXX looks and sounds better than the F80. The F80 is disappointing.

[@edwardrichardson8254]

The flagship is always a reflection of their top race car, the design of which reflects current FIA rules so this debate is meaningless. They didn't come out of nowhere to win Le Mans after a 50 year absence w/ a V12, they did it with this. Just as the F50 is a milder version of the V12 F1 car they had then and the F40 is a version of their turbo F1 car of that era, this is their 499P Le Mans car, which the FIA dictated must have hybrid motors limited to 200 kW (268 bhp), 3 liter max displacement, yadda yadda.

[@RichReviews_]

Did you actually watch the video to understand the different sides of the debate?

[@edwardrichardson8254]

​@@RichReviews_ There ain't no debate, I made that clear. Their flagship has always been their "state of the racing art." This is a company that built cars to fund their racing, unlike others like Porsche who went racing to sell their road cars. The owner of an F80 50 years from now will point out it is based on the race car that took 1st at Le Mans after a 50 year absence, just as the F50 owner will point his car is based on the 1990 Ferrari 641 Formula One car and the F40 owner will say his is the Group B car they ran in the 1980s turbo era. This is not a cookie cutter Lamborghini flagship (which has been the Countach basically for 50 years). If the rules in 10 years dictate diesel and used compacted graphite iron blocks you can bet the flagship will run diesel and use a CGI engine block. Frankly, I remember the older generation of guys like Alain De Cadenet not even regarding mid-engined Ferraris as authentic Ferraris, it was the front-engined ones that made them for decades at the great road races of the world like the Mille Miglia.

[@1erickf50]

Very accurate. Even in the wake of the eventual disappointments that are known as V6 F1s, it's natural that a halo car based on them would be equally disappointing.

[@1erickf50]

@@edwardrichardson8254 That part of the older guys preferring the front-engined Ferraris over the newer mid-engined ones is, curiously enough, the same exact phenomena that is happening with the C8 Corvette :)

[@edwardrichardson8254]

​@@1erickf50 Well back then it was not F1 or some racing circuit that was the highest echelon of motor racing, it was the great public road races: the Mille Miglia, Targa Florio, the Carrera Panamericana, etc. And for purposes of turning road cars, a front engine is the best configuration. That's why I laugh at these mid-engine 1000hp hybrids from the hypercar manufacturers. They will go from red light to red light forever making 90 degree turns, get opened up on the highway a little sure... maybe even taken to a track where - unless given slicks, racing fuel, and put into the hands a professional - they will never generate any of the downforce figures they flaunt in magazines, which doesn't make a lick of difference on public roads anyway. But the F80 - unlike a Lamborghini, or Pagani (a kit car in my opinion) or Koenigsegg, has the only legitimacy here because it was bred at the track same as the F50. It's Ferrari's THIS IS WHAT WE WON WITH THAT YEAR, WITH TAILIGHTS AND A BUMPER. And in lackluster non-championship winning years when they release an Enzo or LaFerrari, the car is still a showcase for their racing tech. This goes way, way, waaaaaaay back. I think their releasing two V12s in a row after the F50 confused the dilettantes and they just started assuming they were Lamborghini rather than the only company in existence to have competed in every Formula 1 championship since the first year. Older guys will remember Testarossas running Flat12s and their F1 and sports car glory years were with flat 12s thanks to Mauro Forghieri, whose basic design is still the most winningest F1 car design in history although you never hear his name, all we ever hear about is Gordon Murray, Adrian Newey, Colin Champan... basically the Brits running their mouths. But the Testarossas were never meant to be track car racing statements, stripped down with uncompromising light-makes-right rigor. The dilettantes who watch videos of Lambos revving shooting fire out their tailpipes... here's the word for you to look up: PEDIGREE. As in, back-to-back Le Mans wins.

[@chef8077]

It's funny how everybody is hating on this car bc Ferrari doesn't give a shit what ppl say bc every single one of these is sold at 4 million dollars a piece! Ferrari is laughing all the way to the bank so keep hating clowns!

[@RichReviews_]

Recommend you actually watch the video first!

[@markyamaguchi9571]

Are you driving the car?

[@RichReviews_]

Hopefully.

[@markyamaguchi9571]

@@RichReviews_ hopefully a real Ferrari. A pininfarina Ferrari 👍

[@markyamaguchi9571]

👍

[@markyamaguchi9571]

Enzo must be turning in his grave

[@RichReviews_]

Disagree, Enzo started selling cars to fund racing and the F80 is based on their LM race car.

[@markyamaguchi9571]

@@RichReviews_ 😀👍

[@oliverharris2832]

It maybe a great car it’s just a dog .

[@RichReviews_]

Interesting perception

[@willryan5508]

A Hybrid V6 “future” is purely political, a V12 provides the sound and theatre enthusiasts want, even if slower. Your perspective is sadly typical of agreeable, neutered modern men and British apathy in general.

[@markyamaguchi9571]

Transformers

[@RichReviews_]

Huh?

[@markyamaguchi9571]

@@RichReviews_ from the movie. A car that turns into a robot "transformers"

[@RichReviews_]

Err...yes I know what a Transformer is just did not see how that term related to this video?

[@markyamaguchi9571]

@@RichReviews_ lol sorry. The car looks like it could change into a transformer

[@carlrea]

A spectacular own goal from Ferrari. I don't care how powerful it is. Questionable looks and should have been a V12. Look at a GMA T50. Less powerful but a glorious Cosworth powered na V12 engine. Now that's how it should be.

[@RichReviews_]

Why do you believe it should be a V12 when that dos not align with Ferrari motorsport lineage?

[@carlrea]

@@RichReviews_ Does it have to align with it's Motorsport lineage? Is Chris Harris, Manish Pandey, Neil Clifford and Chris Cooper all wrong then?

[@RichReviews_]

@carlrea Ferrari use the Halo Supercars to showcase their current motorsport technology, thus has always been their approach with the Big 5, now the Big 6.

[@N7Sound]

The F80 looks like a plane

[@RichReviews_]

Why

[@N7Sound]

@@RichReviews_ I don't know, but when the spoiler is up it looks like a vintage jet.

[@RichReviews_]

Hmmm interesting.

[@FERAS-ALKHATEEB]

Its beautiful for me better than Mclaren W1 its just my opinion