HERE WE GO AGAIN! Toxic Fandom Blamed For Star Wars DOWNFALL... THEY ARE CLUELESS!

[@themanwhosoldtheworld2125]

I miss when people felt shame.

[@andrewwall4155]

I know. Shad showing off his Twlight poster was just embarrassing.

[@franciscor390]

Bring back shame.

[@themanwhosoldtheworld2125]

@@franciscor390 make shame great again 😆

[@Counterbalance_]

I feel second-hand shame for what my favourite game series have become. :(

[@franciscor390]

@@themanwhosoldtheworld2125 indeed! 😂

[@shinigamiauthor]

Insult me as a fan all you want. You still need my money. My indifference will outlast your solvency.

[@UpperEchelon_1]

Underrated comment.

[@whos-the-stiff]

This 💯, this.

[@tellyfaulkner3466]

Word.

[@YouilAushana]

Possibly

[@mandodw2341]

This is the comment! Everyone needs to stick to this!

[@Didymus20X6]

Henry Cavill nailed it on the head: THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS "TOXIC FANDOM." It's just fans being passionate about what they love. If you take what they love, and torture it, mutate it, and turn it into something no longer like what they love, then you have to expect those passionate fans to react.

[@theunknowncommenter725]

Henry Cavill is just so super, man.

[@James_Bee]

A man (with balls of) steel, you could say.

[@Mereologist]

Must as I want to agree, I don't. Some fandom really is terribad. Like remember when someone was hounded into self deletion because she did fan art of a cartoon? Remember when shippers tried to break up Adam Drivers marriage? That's some messed up stuff and it needs to be called out, not ignored.

[@bwhere45]

@@Mereologist you're incorrectly conflating multiple groups of people into one. The first group are terminally online mental patients. The second are the result of effectively nuking old Tumblr. They're barely fandom people and fit far better in the lonely, eternally horny yet forever untouched weirdos category. Neither of these are what's colloquially being referred to here as toxic fandom. Note: the first and second group overlap a good amount.

[@jow-ris9355]

​@@Mereologist focus on the word Some

[@atTheHop]

There is no toxic fandom -- only toxic media.

[@ravenshrike]

I mean... Reylos exist.

[@Maehedrose]

@@ravenshrike Are they toxic or just hopeless romantics? The 'enemies to lovers' trope is not new.

[@2012sonora]

Toxic fans are the ones who go after the actors, harass people online for not liking their ships, run cults (it's happened) or prey on people in their RP or writing group (seen that firsthand). But a toxic fan isn't somebody who simply dislikes the direction the IP has gone

[@marvinthemartian6788]

Nailed it

[@Ihavehadmanynames7779]

Toxic direction and production work

[@manonymous4737]

8:00 Amandla Stenburg has never been oppressed in her entire life.

[@Deridus]

I am sure the 'L' in her name was a mistake... just like the rest of her.

[@TheLepke2011]

She is, hands down, one of the greatest actors of our time. She has mastered both emotions. Woke and Indifferent.

[@HammerHeart3229]

Everytime Amandla Stenberg speaks about The Acolyte she makes me giggle. She loves using hyperbolic language when describing the backlash doesn't she? 😂

[@AshCosgrove]

Here's every emotion she showed in The Acolyte: 😐. In any other timeline she wouldn't even have a career and she claims to be oppressed!

[@davidgantenbein9362]

@@AshCosgroveAnd she even did a bad job with that emotion …

[@20th_century_Ghost]

I've resigned myself to being ok with nothing new from Hollywood. There is a 90-year back catalog of films and shows that will keep me occupied for a long, long time.

[@crocadillius6418]

When in doubt i just rewatch Seinfeld. I always find something new to laugh at.

[@bumgarb42]

This is the way.

[@jeanpepin6497]

I could keep myself occupied with a twilight zone marathon for a while

[@do0Mbot]

I just started watching the Wire, and it's fuckin' wiiiild, waay ahead of it's time brothers.

[@Ihavehadmanynames7779]

Spaghetti westerns are where it’s at

[@greatazuredragon]

When 99% of fans are 'toxic' maybe the fans aren't the problem.

[@tkps]

It's taken them this long to get to 'a small minority of toxic fans persuade others to listen to them', inadvertently or not insulting audiences again by claiming they're so easily led by a 'small minority'. Getting them to publicly own up that we are the majority of fans and are not toxic is likely a step too far. Their egos couldn't hack it.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

@@tkpsThey also simply project. Since the day of old twitter, they were used to be boosted by all media and the people simply buying into their bs. So they think that any other opinion must be lime theirs, just a signal boosted tiny minority. They don’t understand that it wasn’t KZbin videos, but the general public wisening to their bs. Most people leaving Disney Star Wars etc. behind probably never saw a „toxic fandom“ video in their life, they just walked away from bs in silence. They simply can’t deal with the silent majority actually having an opinion, because in their mind only them are allowed to have one.

[@rworded]

That takes too much introspection, easier to blame other, it is.

[@Blodhelm]

@@tkps Well they can't admit most people don't like what they are doing.

[@caps_lock_]

As a "gay person of colour" I'm gladly part of the supposed "toxic fanbase", by pandering (thereby also insulting) people like me they're ruining everything instead. I'm over this sh*t

[@theunknowncommenter725]

According to the access media, you're an internalized racist homophobe. Whatever that means.

[@thel1355]

You're a white cishet male now. They's be the rules.

[@lordlongstroke5989]

You ... identify... but think yer... not progressive...? Jeezuss... complete lack of self awareness.

[@neosho3953]

So brave.

[@ComeAlongKay]

That’s disgusting, you spelled color with a u. As a white person of Americanness I’m offended. Doing old English spelling, what are you Keats? Who I think was from the old English time but I’m now not sure and can’t think of the other guy who was from that time. Butler, something butler.

[@sirg-had8821]

My toxic money will stay in my toxic wallet. I love it when things work out in my favor.

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

this entire war has been fought by us not having to do a damn thing....sitting on our asses at home has destroyed everything cus the companies are bound and determined to destroy themselves to one up us which they'll fail utterly all we have to do is look and say...oop I see woke, no money for you! and they get pissed and that becomes our entertainment....this has been aggravating but i see the comedy now.... and now I laugh!

[@NuncleG]

So these people bought the rights to Marvel for billions, handed the show off to people that have never read a comic book, or seen a comic book movie. Then, when it's poorly received, attack some dude on KZbin who has 1000 Marvel figures in his background? How does any of this make sense?

[@tjroelsma]

It makes sense to them because they seem to believe that with the rights for Marvel they've bought the loyalty of the fans. As if Marvel fans are OBLIGED to keep watching the trash they push to them and keep on buying the merchandise. And I really believe their twisted brains can't understand why the fans are not just walking, but running away after all the trash they've been served.

[@elcazador3349]

Maybe they thought the purchase was of a lordship, thus the vassals and serfs would be included?

[@ardendragoon]

​@@elcazador3349yes, yes. We bought the revolting peasants with the ip and now they are rebelling. Qucikly, dear chap. Write a silly article insulting them. That will fix it.

[@lindasmith320]

It doesn’t

[@tkps]

@@ardendragoon That is basically exactly how they react. I think they knew we may not go for identity politics but also thought 'well they'll swallow what we give 'em and like it. We own their IP and won't give them anything else'. If you're handed crap for long enough you figure it's better to do without. That's the bit they haven't twigged to.

[@ariochiv]

If "toxic fandom" is such a small group of unrepresentative malcontents, then how are they somehow endowed with magical powers that can get popular shows cancelled?

[@gameoverinsertcointocontin8102]

Schrödingers Chud's. The fandom is toxic, hostile pathetic and is not worth engaging with according to media. At the same time a couple of comments on social media from them have the power to end major franchises.

[@ComeAlongKay]

@@gameoverinsertcointocontin8102it’s amazing when they even accidentally let someone create a quality thign it’s like they are angry they gave fans what they wanted and then follow it up with something trying to ruin it like joker two. Or they’re just falling into the same old shtick of like hey it’s contrary to what people thought therefore smart.

[@the_absurd_hero]

Cognitive dissonance

[@maddlarkin]

​@@the_absurd_heroand one surprisingly easy to explain, media study is a newish field, and there aren't many serious theorists, unfortunately those there are typically tend to be extreme 'left' (though socialist grifter would probably be more accurate) so every relevant study that's been done in or on the industry says that the audience will just consume and blindly accept everything they are told like sheep. So when they see backlash they can't understand it as evey bit of data they have tells them it shouldn't be happening as the consumer is passive and believes what is put on screen. They don't realise these studies are utter bollocks written by academics who have as much contact with the every man as the Mars Rover. (The latest media illiteracy term thrown around is proof of this, it directly contradicts what I was taught day 1 at uni which is just by the nature of the world we all have high media literacy, the degree was just to provide a language and frame work to explain what you already knew and shows they are desperate for an explanation). In short, their idiots with no outside life experince who read way to much Noam Chomsky and believed it.

[@sigmacademy]

@@maddlarkin At one point, Noam Chomsky had universal appeal. Can't believe how far the guy has fallen in intellectual capacity just to fit in with his "ideological group".

[@robbro3589]

First they ignore you then they laugh at you, then they fight you (We are here) then you win.

[@Blindluck92]

The number of time this quote has occurred to me in the past few years is crazy.

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

you forgot "and hate you"

[@Marinealver]

*if you survive, there is no atrocity too low they/them won't stoop to.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

@@MarinealverThey are keyboard warriors. Yes, they are the very same people that run the inquisition, conducted the Salem witch trials or put people into gulags. But that doesn’t mean that their current incarnation actually has the guts or opportunity to do that again. The internet and media boost gave them the idea that they are big, when they are a tiny minority of weak people, plus the current states in the west aren’t in the state they were before WW1&2. we have now an additional hundred years of experience with what a state is supposed to be on record. So no, they will not be allowed to conduct the atrocities they so crave.

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

@@Marinealver and when we know it's over is when we ignore em outright with no reaction.... the greatest insult an enemy can receive is to be ignored....we're close....oh so close! well; the other death note is apathy and we are there.... tell me in simple terms what comes to mind when i say the names star wars, star trek & doctor who A: apathy

[@gregcollins7602]

Toxic fan #1 here. Since they don't want me I will make sure to not spend any money on these studios.

[@keithmichael112]

Fellow chud here, I completely agree and will continue doing so as well

[@georgepoitras3502]

It's very freeing! If i want to watch something I torrent it. Screw Them.

[@marccreation1052]

Well, i ordered Deadpool Wolverine, but that won' t save them.

[@gregcollins7602]

@@marccreation1052 I most definitely won't be known as a enabling fomo sheep

[@jjjzzrrr]

Bravo! 👍👍

[@JohnMack-f3f]

Hollywood pees in their well and cried about toxic well water.

[@ProtoNecron]

They can blame the fans all they want,. In the end its Hollywood that will pay the price for their own failures.

[@DeltaDanner]

All the fans have to do is not watch the new crap Hollywood puts out and they win by default. If we stop watching they lose millions and we lose nothing at all.

[@MrTwisted72]

There’s a scene in The Untouchables where a store owner is complaining to a gangster that the beer they are peddling isn’t any good. The gangster replies “it isn’t supposed to be good, it’s supposed to be bought”. Thats the Medias philosophy.

[@hungchoonghow5857]

Back when Robert De Niro was younger and un-Woken.

[@tellyfaulkner3466]

@@hungchoonghow5857 Please, don't mention his name. He has become a raving crackpot with TDS.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

True. It‘s the same idea, that when you have an unchallenged monopoly, quality is totally unimportant. The criminals had a monopoly back then, but it eventually ended, and the Hollywood cult had one for a couple of years, wonder where that will go….

[@davids2427]

W0rD 💥

[@lucymiau5700]

There is a kind of a Hate-Fandom and Hollywood and especially Disney worked hard to create this Fandom by making products for a non-existing Fandom of Tumbler-weirdos.

[@eglantinepapeau1582]

"social media bootcamps" " superfan focus groups"...these people live in an an alternate reality where they think acting sus makes you trustworthy 🤷‍♀

[@waynehutton7536]

A small subset of fans got the first space shuttle named Enterprise from a TV show with only 3 seasons from 21 years earlier.

[@Fred-gu6pk]

It might also refer to some USN vessels

[@glados4765]

They have the media, celebrities, and all of Hollywood with hundreds of billions behind them, and they are STILL losing to KZbinrs who do the vids for free and just their own free time. You know it 100% hurts.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

The trick is: their NOT losing to KZbinrs at all, they are simply driving away their loyal customers. They just don’t want to acknowledge that and instead blame KZbinrs, because they can fight KZbinrs. It’s utterly impossible in a free market to fight your customers and survive. In a way, they prefer to fight KZbinrs to fixing their problems and are in fact killing their own business that way … all by themselves. They always overestimate the influence somebody online has. They i.e. thought that twitter was the global opinion, despite being the smallest of the bigger social media sites. They invested billions into fringe twitter groups, because they thought that a couple of bots as followers means that there is a vast modern audience hiding somewhere (probably behind the moon). If I think about this, they seem to be rather dumb and silly.

[@pyorre2441]

​@@davidgantenbein9362I think the issue is that alot of the people in charge of these companies do not understand social media at all. They are business people who understand numbers and graphs, not people. And when a project their numbers said was going to be huge, fails they are stumped on what happened.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

@@pyorre2441 Given none of them does the „what’s hip“ analysis themselves, it’s more likely they bet on the wrong next generation. I fully understand that the executives don’t understand social media. What I don’t understand is that they invest billions into it, lose tons of money and then try to blame the audience instead of learning anything from their errors. None of them is willing to leave a bandwagon that clearly ruins them, no matter what the numbers show; it’s always some conspiracy theory instead of how the alt-right secretly changed the brainwaves of the audience or some such bs.

[@Ed__Powell]

I watched the original Star Trek on television, when it was on, on a 15-inch B&W TV, because my parents could not afford a color television. I watched every single Star Trek thing after that, the good and the bad, until I watched STD season 1, after which I stopped. Apparently forever. Did I change or did Star Trek?

[@ianrobson9601]

Same same mate

[@RCAvhstape]

I quit watching after that awful Jar Jar Abrams reboot with Chris Pine. After that I refuse to watch anything unless it gets good reviews from my old school trekkie friends. Still waiting...

[@teddrewflack400]

The original series was camp and funny , I hated next generation , loved deep space nine , meh with voyager and was barely interested with discovery . The movies were not even on my radar , only wrath of khan kept my interest .

[@wavion2]

I started with TNG. Watched it with my dad when I was a kid. Watched all of the shows and movies and loved them all, even Enterprise (which I would argue its last season was one of Trek's best, excluding the finale of course). And my favorite by far is DS9, which is really diverse and you don't even think about it. But I watched season 1 of Discovery and hated it so much. I watched season 1 of Picard and hated it so much. Then I was just done. I did eventually come back for season 3 of Picard, after many recommendations, and I did like it. But yeah, long story short, new Trek sucks. It's not you.

[@davidr3857]

@@wavion2 Half-way through episode one of Picard was my limit. Click.

[@Itsberserkintime2024]

Maybe gatekeeping isnt such a bad idea after all

[@nicholasvalentine2428]

Simon Pegg called Star Wars fans 'the most toxic' which was disappointing. I used to think he was the sort of person (e.g. when he did Spaced) who wouldn't turn to the Woke Side.

[@calebhayden4124]

All of Hollywood is disconnected from reality, why do you think they all indulge in sexual debauchery and degeneracy

[@smoketinytom]

He wants more work after Mission Impossible eventually wraps up… He needs to say “I’m an ally” before he comes asking for work.

[@Cluelesswander]

Simon needs a pegging of common sense. His light in Hollywood is fading and the shite that was Startrek 3 was fooking awful!

[@maxmazzotti6651]

@@Cluelesswanderhe did play Hughie’s dad in the boys and he looked the comics version of Hughie

[@StevieZala]

That and the Maltesers advert from years ago were the best things he ever did. Everything else e, hugely overrated.

[@CT5555_]

I really like that Amandla Stenberg keeps doing this kind of stuff, because it's ensuring that once she finally shuts up, no one will have to ever hear from her again. Mark my words, she will never have another role of any significance.

[@jhammer4919]

We can but hope 🙏

[@paulcarmi8130]

I'd love to see her never work again.

[@R3tr0w1]

They don't want to take no accountability

[@v8matey]

There is a certain gender that also never takes accountability too. 🤔

[@realtalkrealthingsent.8024]

@@v8mateytruuuuuuuuuuu!!!!! Who’s in charge XD

[@cobaltfog]

They'll never be self-aware enough to see how toxic these little rants and tantrums directed at customers are. Like everything else these clowns do, it's all talking about people, they're afraid to talk TO them.

[@AliOwaidi]

@@cobaltfog well guess what I’m talking to you guys

[@AliOwaidi]

I’m tired of staying silent and i won’t apologize to what i just said cause I’m fucking pissed! I’m in pain! You guys won’t give jackshit!

[@hurricane_laura]

The real reason people prefer Gary and The Drinker? Their reviews are not bought by Hollywood or Disney. And WTAF is "Social Media Boot Camp"? Does a drill sergeant write to you in all caps to do pushups while they dislike your content?

[@Das_Kaenguru]

I guess a „social media bootcamp“ would ironically be the Zoom Meeting they did want Gina Carano attand to to be yelled at by activists 😅

[@GregScholfield]

HR and marketing departments love to talk about “boot camps” as though it somehow makes it cool and hip to sit through training seminars about topics no one cares about and add no value to your workday.

[@sigmacademy]

@@GregScholfield "training seminars about topics no one cares about and add no value to your workday." Isn't that the MAJORITY of seminars? :P

[@tkps]

@@GregScholfield Yet not a one who uses such terms could survive the real thing for 5 minutes.

[@v8matey]

If a company calls you toxic for not liking a faulty product. Does that company still deserve your money?

[@inadisguise9824]

When they first started in on the toxic fans thing, most people were not part of the fandoms they were talking about, so people believed them. As time went on and they started using this against IP after IP, the fans noticed hey their now talking about their favorite IP, and they are saying it about me, but I am not toxic. Now fans no longer fall for this false reporting of fandoms as toxic, because the fans from different fandoms are looking over the fence and now notice they are saying the same thing over and over again, if they are lieing about me being toxic, they are also lying about the other IP fans being toxic.

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

*We are Schrödinger's fans* On one hand, a small insignificant group on the far right. On the other, the main force that controls everything!

[@hussle2654]

They have been saying the same shit about Trump for years now. Somehow he's the biggest idiot on Earth, but also a criminal mastermind because he has escaped every single prosection that has been thrown at him, how does that work exactly?

[@Jigsaw3D1]

It the classic double speech tricks

[@Hunter_Brandon]

They say if you repeat a lie enough times, it becomes the truth. Fortunately, we live in a society managed by midwits, so you only have to lie once and the parrots will repeat it forever.

[@nickdirienzo2849]

How is that fortunate? You're missing a prefix brother. The U.N. (is) fortunate.😅

[@RCAvhstape]

"Midwits" I like this word. Stealing it.

[@thebenmidthun]

These days anyone that critizes Hollywood is considered toxic. It means about as much as calling me racist for not liking the acolyte

[@hetfield144]

Exactly this!! 👌🏻

[@MansLaughter365]

Be proud! Wear it like a badge of honor

[@TheBigMclargehuge]

I can be both

[@TorontoJon]

We're not "toxic fans"; we're REAL FANS. We are the ORIGINAL fans and we are the MAJORITY, so studios should treat us, i.e. their core customers, with true respect rather than with a "Let them eat moldy fly-covered cake" attitude.

[@tybobb8292]

You’re a little bitch is what you are. Whining about kids stuff, little baby stuff lol you suck.

[@DeltaDanner]

They are too busy chasing the “modern audience” that only exists on Twitter

[@adamaccountname]

It's not toxic fandom, it's being a conscientious consumer. We're just holding them morally accountable by withholding our dollars

[@studiolau]

Didn't George RR Martin mention in his vlog about toxicity growing in fans until they took out an essential character on House of the Dragon and now he joined the "toxic fandom" in complaining about the show?

[@takuid]

George Martin has always been an idiot.

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

Grrm hates everyone that is not him. But especially hates those that would like him to finish his book(s)

[@sergeantkitty]

The word "toxic" has gotta be the most overused word in the english language. These people really need to discover a thesaurus.

[@KieranHelix]

A 'toxic fan' is a fan that actually cares about the subject. They just failed to win that fan over and now the fan is criticizing them.

[@Scruffynerfherder10]

What a lot these tools don’t get is that fans AREN’T FANS of singular franchises. Most fans aren’t JUST fans of marvel, or Star Wars, or Star Trek, or LOTR, most fans like aspects of all of them or at least some of them, so these tools move from franchise to franchise assuming the new fans will accept them but those fans will be the old fans that are the enemy of the tools, and they never ever want to learn from their mistakes.

[@sigmacademy]

100% agree. Each of these studios think that each of their "franchise audiences" are different people, when we're the same people across multiple franchises.

[@linusgustafsson2629]

It is funny how they talk about "They are driven by fear to upset the fans", yet nobody is ever saying "They are driven by fear to upset the journalists", even though that is more obvious than them fearing the customers.

[@sigmacademy]

What are you willing to bet me the "people" they talked to who would have said more but chose to not do so about "toxic fandom" were ACTUALLY in the same ideological camp as the journalist (but were more afraid that their "opinions" would leak to the public under the ACTUAL names)?

[@marychocolatefairy]

It's pretty clear there's a culture that's developed within the studios where they're deathly afraid to have certain things said about them that intimate they're unPC in any way. Such as the fear of having someone on twitter see a random image from a film and be like, "Where's the black people?" They've found that this is not conducive to business by now... but they're going to keep at it.

[@jenniferst.george810]

Super fans make me think of fan tourists, they come in with no understanding of the lore and want to change everything then move on to the next thing to destroy

[@sigmacademy]

That's because what the media terms as "superfans" (literally anyone who has ever watched a single episode of anything) vs the actual "superfan" (the people who were into a franchise since they could walk or watch anything with any kind of recall). It takes nothing for an influencer with deep pockets to buy entire catalogs of materials to give the ILLUSION of being knowledgeable about something (how do we know this - none of the material in their bookshelves shows any sign of wear - it's all "decor").

[@aaronknautz7364]

I’ll add that they’ve completely lost the context of what the word “toxic” means.

[@ohsweetmystery]

It has become meaningless. Like being called ra-cist or homophobic.

[@SardonicDog]

Blaming the fans is never going to be a winning argument. Ever. Ev. Er.

[@stephenfitzgerald9769]

They’re just made that they actually have to produce quality content and that we don’t just consoome the garbage that they shovel at us. The idea that we would revolt- let alone reject their slop- is galling to them.

[@jameson32]

"Consoome"?!

[@nickdirienzo2849]

​@@jameson32 Is that really the only problem that stuck out in that poorly written comment. Just trying to read it was like taking a cheese grater to my brain.

[@Vapeurss]

The poors are getting uppity. I don't understand what has them so flustered. We gave them another Star Wars like they wanted. They should be grateful for that much.

[@hussle2654]

EAT THE BUGS

[@jameson32]

@@nickdirienzo2849 Nah, it's just that I stopped reading after that :)

[@ArwenUndomiel406]

No other industry‘s ever been this braindead, that they first don’t give the clients what they want and then doubled down and insulted said clients, that have the money they’re after, and expected to survive.

[@MrKbonez]

They're fake artists, the most outrageously self-righteous and entitled group of people to exist outside monarchies

[@scourgewatcher]

I don't think we're toxic enough, nothing is more poisonous to an entertainment or media company than an absentee audience, which they have been asking for so long by telling us that what they're making is not for us, we should just give them the toxicity they want rather than actually trying to tell them they're doing something stupid or wrong.

[@Klishar122]

I already have.

[@jeanpepin6497]

There's 100 years worth of movies and television to watch. I don't need to watch crap just because they make it.

[@marychocolatefairy]

Yeah, I've been going through new to me 80s films. There are exceptions, but in general I'm noting how much better the pacing was than current movies. Take Die Hard- it's set up so efficiently that 24 minutes in we know all about our hero's personal situation and motivations, and the main plot has kicked in with the terrorists having taken over the building.

[@paulcarmi8130]

This is why they also tear down old things. Not just statues and monuments, but they will regularly say old media is bad because old and bad things happened during those times.

[@Hakudan2]

Clueless isn't the right word, it's denial.

[@Hank..]

The access media should just give up trying to be taken seriously and call you "big dumb meanies" at this point. At least they might get some pity clicks as their medium withers and dies.

[@Didymus20X6]

That's not what "the Royal We" means. A Royal We is when a singular person refers to himself in the plural. Like when a queen says, "We are not amused."

[@dragonback6075]

I don't watch anything now without checking out Drinkers review first, saved me a lot of wasted time & cringing at 🐕💩 movies/TV

[@Kendro311]

When you're so free, spoiled and entitled that you can hate groups of people and demand they give you money. And if they don't, they're oppressing you and are istaphobic.

[@rupertbath2748]

First They Ignore You, Then They Laugh at You, Then They Attack You, Then You Win

[@LightoftheEvenstar]

They don't make these things out of love for the story, they do it out of hatred for the people they think the story is for.

[@jjjzzrrr]

Disney is it's own worst toxic enemy.

[@ianrotten4453]

All of "this" so damn boring at this point. I try to tell my friends and family, collect physical media before its all gone. I just reminded myself that I need to get to the used media store.

[@clivegriffiths1363]

Its always us fans we just want some good tv movies and games its not hard

[@codyw1]

It is when they have no talent.

[@sigmacademy]

@@codyw1 ... and they have a thin skin, you mean?

[@Spongemonkey26]

The toxic fandom is so insignificant these major media corporations and studios have stopped at nothing to try and get all these KZbin channels silenced.

[@1999fxdx]

I get the idea that Hollywood actually expects straight fans to watch gay content.

[@stormryder4305]

That's their goal. To turn straight fans into gays.

[@theunknowncommenter725]

And then they call us bigots when we don't like it, and we don't watch it. Never mind that we're constantly told that it's not made for us, so we don't watch it. Never mind that they never take into account, that some of us don't have that kind of preference, so we're smeared as intolerant, when they lack the self-awareness of their actual intolerant attitude.

[@Cluelesswander]

Not just gay, the stories are truly terrible.

[@stormryder4305]

@@1999fxdx They expect straight fans to convert into gay/trans fans.

[@RCAvhstape]

They're aching for the day when "misinformation" becomes criminalized, and they can then jail you for speaking the truth about the tripe they put on our screens.

[@silencelikethewindovertake2629]

I love how deliberately disingenuous people like Amandla are. The show was cancelled because it was bad. It was created by someone, who has no passion for the Star Wars Universe, who wanted to make a show equivalent to her 'experiences' as a lesbian, was gifted to a nepo baby with the acting range of a potato and it tried so hard to make the peacemakers of the galaxy into the bad guys, because they didn't trust lesbian space witches. It was the worst viewed Star Wars show across the board and all that the fandom did, was point out how bad it was, Leslye and Amandla did all the heavy lifting on making such a pathetically bad show. Not to mention that Leslye was Harvey's assistant, during the height of his 'criminal activity' that she has to have know about it. I would even wager that she even helped and knows where some 'bodies are buried' which is why she was gifted this by KK.

[@tkps]

I once thought though they were specialist fields only the talented got a go after gaining industry experience as other than acting/directing there's no formal qualifcations for jobs like producer, show runner etc. Once you'd start at 'tea lady' or 'mail room', hopefully possess an imagination or creative writing ability then work your way up. Today contacts alone and/or belonging to x y z minority gets you in Hedland's case a $200M budget, a famous IP as a plaything and to point at X young actress and say 'that one'. Ditto ROP showrunners. Bullshit the head of Prime you know more about Tolkien than you do though you've had half a writing credit each in 10 years and bingo. No wonder we get crap.

[@FoxyCAMTV]

The skeletons are piling up in California and that's why these grifters now run entertainment industry as they know too much.

[@tjjordan4207]

Time to bring back the “2015 Cinderella = Best Disney Remake” Superchats to drive Gary crazy.

[@theunknowncommenter725]

Cinderella 2015 is the only good Disney remake.

[@tjjordan4207]

@@theunknowncommenter725 Controversial opinion, but I would argue that there are two good ones: 2015 Cinderella AND the 2017 Beauty & The Beast All the rest, I can easily throw away.

[@WildboarXR]

There will always be fans who have a lot of "passion". Don't antagonize them. Win those fans over! How is it so hard. If you make something you want everybody to watch it.

[@shirw]

Well most of us just don't care anymore. We won't say anything, we just quietly leave.

[@DeltaDanner]

I became a toxic fan by not going to the movie theater and not subscribing to Disney+. Somebody stop me before someone gets hurt!

[@pa1degua]

18:11 Starship Troopers is a great example of this if anything it is subversive towards the original book but it was legitimately good in its own right and has a dedicated fan base

[@RinkoNorenia]

Isn't this THE GAYEST VARIETY ARTICLE EVER???

[@theunknowncommenter725]

Yas, YAS!

[@richardthomas6771]

I do think that the problem is that escapism is no longer escapism. If there is any Action, Adventure, Laughs, Fantasy, then it’s smothered by messaging of one kind or another which changes the product from entertainment to “education”. I got into Comics, Sci Fi and Fantasy as I could escape my real world for an hour or two and not think about my life and what’s going on in the world. I came out of Deadpool Wolverine after an incredible reaction from the audience that I haven’t experiences during and at the end of a film for many years. I was and am hopeful the financial success alone would or certainly should show that a film like deadpool wolverine should be the template for the future. To entertain, thrill and make your audience thrill and ultimately want more, a lot more of this kind of material. I’m hopeful but probably only if Ryan Reynolds ends up running MARVEL with Hugh Jackman as his deputy. A man can dream cant he?

[@michaelh.3494]

If during a promotion tour the main talking points are the skin colour and the sexual orientation of the cast and not the story itself you know the show has a high chance to be absolute SHIT.

[@Jashtvorak]

Yep, pretty much. And they wonder why we hate it even when we haven’t seen a minute of it. Well, you went on a promotion and talked about representation and who would be gay in the show and how SauRRRon is hot and first female this, first female of colour that, first non binary… The fuck I’m supposed to do with those informations??? I don’t like drag shows.

[@mark7s980]

We put 'Star Wars' on it! Why won't you buy it?!

[@och70]

We put "Star Wars" on this pile of manure, and people didn't eat it up. They're the ToXiC FaNdOm.

[@James_Bee]

Because they put "Star Wars" on it.

[@theunknowncommenter725]

​@@James_Bee more like, because they tarnished that name, and it's not trustworthy anymore

[@adammiller4389]

I love how supportive you all are of each other. No joke. You all seem honest and kind and that’s why you’re winning

[@Maehedrose]

To support Shad's comment - the Kotor games are different from the movies, expanding upon the Force in ways the films don't even touch upon, and defining a lot of lore that the movies never introduce. However, those games were so good that most people consider them nearly as formative for the EU as the original trilogy and they are a foundation of much EU canon. People will accept deviation from the original material if it is done well.

[@marychocolatefairy]

Yeah, funnily enough, the two KOTORs, especially 2, have something that people criticized about The Acolyte- showing the Jedi in a bad light. In fact, there's a line in Kotor 2 that's not dissimilar to the infamous comment by that Acolyte actor (Barnett) who said that SW is about which side you're standing on, and not good vs evil. In Kotor 2 there's been a war between the Jedi and Sith, but we're told that it's called the Jedi Civil War because the "regular" people see no difference between the two sides. However, a lot of players liked this take, since it was something different and darker. Problem is The Acolyte makers seemed to really not like the Jedi; plus they kept portraying them as idiots.

[@i_jogos]

I loved the term Toxic Hollywood and Toxic Media.

[@Pyrate_Of_Las_Vegas]

Hooray for Toxic Fandom!

[@jeremyhester3971]

They actively refuse to give fans what they want, while rubbing in the customer’s face. Then cry like they he weak little cowards they are , when we don’t pay for it. They seem to believe they’re entitled to our money, no matter what.

[@TravisMay-l9g]

I miss when people took accountability and responsibility for their bullshit and didn’t blame it on others.

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Bring it on ! I'm off to create some prairie borders in my garden.

[@davidlaurahay]

So, Doctor who now sucks. That makes ME toxic? So I didn't make it suck, but I am toxic? Okay.

[@Craig_N]

Look at me, I am the media now. ~ Some random Pirate. OMG they actually said in the article that franchises depend on the established audiences..........and then they write this drivel that reflects the franchises in no way what so ever.

[@sigmacademy]

That is because these "journalists" suffer from a Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde Complex. The front part of their articles acknowledges the problems, and the latter half tell you EVERYTHING is the "toxic fandom" fault, in direct contradiction/misrepresentation with the problem. You'll see that the "journalists" pieces will NEVER say anything even REMOTELY negative about the main studios themselves.

[@cherryfrost5249]

It's actually the toxic creators and media that are the problem. "toxic fandom" is just copium created to avoid admitting who is the real source of their failures.

[@matthewdancz9152]

They failed because they forgot that they make products for their fans, and that fans are not beholden to them in any way.

[@MikeSmith-bn1qr]

How are these "writers" getting work for fuck sake? Jesus, there portfolios must suck.

[@grokeffer6226]

The people that are currently in charge of things in Hollywood don't seem to have a good sense for business. It just doesn't make sense to completely alienate a pre-existing fan-base and vilify them and expect them to just turn the other cheek and toss them a sack of cash. People become emotionally invested in these franchises. They're in no way obligated, morally or otherwise, to buy into a dogmatic belief system or to "Just be nice.". That's ridiculous.

[@tellyfaulkner3466]

Maybe emotionally invested once but not anymore.

[@grokeffer6226]

@@tellyfaulkner3466 Yes. It's like losing a good friend.

[@drfirechief8958]

The whole entertainment model changed too fast for them. The requirement of having to go to a movie theater to watch a new movie and the locked in time of scheduled tv was a guaranteed broad audience. And many "fans" blossomed out of the mass of audiences. Now, the internet, streaming, KZbin and a plethora of other mechanisms is forcing them to learn to give the smaller group of specific "fans" what we want. And we want good quality storytelling of our favorite shows and stories. They're not used to that. So when they started making things that "they" basically liked but the "fans" that were still around, didn't. They criticised us and called us toxic. What a way to win back fans. Sheesh!

[@chriswinters-ca]

So... to summarize the article; "Don't ask questions. Just consume product. Don't ask questions. Just consume product. What are NEXT? Don't ask questions. What are NEXT?"...

[@skepticalsmurf]

as a person of color,l’m proud to join the ranks of the toxic SW fanbase,The Acolyte was simply a badly written and acted series(l could care less about a character’s gender,race or sexual identity)l want quality over quantity!!! Mrs.Kennedy,please resign,under your tenure,SW has become just another IP nothing special 😓

[@dlewis9760]

Not sure if you followed Disparu's critiques of each episode. They were each twice as long as each episode. He would bring up some situation that didn't pass the common sense test and once you were aware of it you couldn't ignore it. Stupid actions which made no sense, beget more stupid actions which beget even more of them. One would think if you are going to push a certain narrative like "The Message" you would really go over the top in making something of quality. Instead they make garbage created by hacks. Some of those L.H. reviews where she made it sound like the writing process seemed to be "This Episode" being the focus with only a little effort put in for continuity. "That's cool!!! Put it in!!!" and while cool, it messes up the story further down stream.

[@clvrswine]

*Couldn't care less, not "I could care less."

[@samblack5313]

“Poc” is a horrible term, you should stop using it. Do you think a Japanese man wants to be reduced to a “poc” so he can be weaponised against the evil white man? How about a Sri Lankan? A Maori? A Tongan? All of these people have been reduced to nothing more than a “poc” to create a divide of white v everyone else.

[@paulturner4684]

I think the another reason why they are desperate to label content creation like this as toxic is their unabated disdain for their audiences. They really believe that if there weren't Gary's or AZ's or Drinkers out there that people would easily fall into line and swallow their slop. Their opinion is so arrogant and haughty that they write of vast swaths of their fellow human beings as mindless sheep.

[@stiles6347]

If you want executives to relate to fans criticisms of these shows then it needs to be related to something they are probably fans of themselves like golf. Would you not be critical if you went to play golf but now there are new rules and spectators get to shoot you with paint balls or piss on your leg while you were trying to play? Would you not be critical of 'golf' now? Would your criticism be considered toxic or maybe justified?

[@richardttu]

I have also noticed stories like "everything wrong with Lord of the Rings" or "Things that do not make sense" in either Star trek or Star Wars. They are trying to drag other stuff down to make the new crap look better..

[@MichaelNgTzeWei]

In Fans We Trust

[@PhilStitelmann]

I'm working on my own saga of novels and have a few contacts with the industry for adaptation projects. I'm trying my best to share my passion for my genre, Cyberpunk, and I hope the audience will love the story and characters when my novels are published and if/when they're taken to the screen. I'm giving it all I have. Passion about the story and making something awesome is the way to go in my mind.

[@Random_Tangent]

The toxic fans are the ones on twitter that demanded their activist needs be met. Hollywood suits try to appeal to an imagined audience, they don't care if they serve the original authors intentions, which really does a disservice to the fans, who don't care about who stars in it, they want to see the story they love being well-told for their money.

[@maddlarkin]

Funniest thing with them is to ask them why they are right, everyone I've ever engaged with can tell me definitively why I am wrong (not providing any facts and with a few insults thrown in mind you) but not ones been able to explain why they are right, they usually just fall back on whatever really basic insult is doing the rounds at the time, lacking the creativity to even be successfully offensive

[@daveo6337]

Like Ben Affleck’s character said in Mall Rats. “The customer is always an asshole.” Disney was listening.😂

[@danjacobs4557]

As an exercise, put this same thing in any hard-product industry. Like, Apple blaming consumers because nobody bought the iPhone (PRODUCT LGBT), or Nestle's CEO dragging consumers because nobody is buying Drag Queen Chocolates, etc... it's silly. The only way they can get away with this nonsense is because it's soft products... movies and shows and games, etc.

[@davidlpenaportsa7]

Just saw you in the unsubscribed channel and you are my hero now. I also restarted my life at 42 getting my HVAC license. Thanks for your positive energy.

[@TravisMay-l9g]

Too blame your target audience has to be the dumbest move of all time.

[@pipmeyer3889]

That any company can claim their customers are "abusive" is plain ridiculous.

[@JohnnyWordSmith]

Having just rewatched Breaking Bad, I realized that back then I just assumed shows were going to be good when I sat down to watch them. Now I have no faith, so I watch KZbin and read instead.

[@larryswanson5953]

Contempt for their "toxic" audience is like a carpenter blaming his tools.

[@michaelll]

20:21 and the biggest reason why nobody liked episode 3 of the last of us bc you find out that one of the two guys wrote a letter telling us how much he hated nick Offermans characters guts but they ignored that and made it seem like a love story.. he hated nicks character so much that he ran away and strapped himself up by a rope to say goodbye

[@TheLepke2011]

Disney literally went out of their way to make a show to piss off the main portion of the fan base for Star Wars. Then they were surprised when it failed. And to make that move even more unusual, they went out of their way again and recreated that with Agatha All Along.

[@davidstahl1819]

The access media 'is' the modern audience. And their lies are being revealed and this is a good thing.

[@patrickmcgavin2245]

The article is to no one's shock a flat out lie. We're not! just out for blood, we're just out to turn our entertainment industry back into entertainment. Bc that's all we care about, when it comes to the entertainment industry.

[@TheSleepLes]

If they keep on shitting on my favorite forms of entertainment, I will keep on not seeing the excremental films they put out.