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Heroes In Crisis RANT! Did They Go Too Far? | Comicstorian
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[@comicstorian]

Think I may have found a way to just all of my opinions on movies, tv shows, video games and comics off my chest. A white board... lol Do you guys like me doing this for more than just the Endgame Theories? If So... we got some War of the Realms to talk about... some Flash TV Show to Talk About... Oh we have things...

[@nerdandnerdier887]

Comicstorian iris is Barry wife Linda is Wally wife

[@breincrad6087]

It's a great idea. I'd love to see more of these 'White Board Rants with Benny'

[@ericrobins5188]

What about "Benny's soapbox" as a show name?

[@dabeast2499]

I love this! Keep it up

[@thelegendofgrumpybeard9950]

This is a good idea. I also think having someone (Andy in this case) who does not share the same opinion, is a legit way to "discuss" things during the rant. Keeping it as an unannounced walk on is also a good thing. You have a winner here

[@Patrick-it8nk]

I actually am finding myself agreeing with Andy on the whole "Wally wouldn't frame Booster & Harley". Even if he wanted to throw them off the trail.

[@ixiahj]

I'd belive if he just faked his own death. Framing 2 other people seemed too much.

[@amenamen1929]

@@ixiahj Well remember he is a fictional character. Nothing is out of character for him, because he’s literally something that can be manipulated by a writer. Honestly I myself hated what they did to Wally, but after understanding why Tom King went this route, I learned to accept it.

[@pennyomega7421]

@@amenamen1929 that is such a lazy excuse.

[@carlosleoni5321]

​@@amenamen1929 literally lazy writing

[@carlosleoni5321]

​@@amenamen1929 "off character" literally aplies to "fictional character" that's like the whole point

[@mastershake2473]

Kudos to Dan for standing with that whiteboard the whole time.

[@kevinsanchez7035]

My Comment Isn't Here lmfao 🤣what the hell

[@reginaldwaye8423]

I to be paid just to hold a whiteboard

[@bobowman4628]

DanTWhiteboard!!!

[@ddkixk]

For real he’s a real one lol 💯

[@eggzisstenshulldredd]

Awesome Bionicle Icarax profile pic.

[@JohnnyEnigma]

A) Love the channel and content, Benny. B) Andy is right. C) Dan is the MVP for standing there as the whiteboard the ENTIRE TIME ❤️

[@poorsoul8492]

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[@poorsoul8492]

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[@jaimepanamenojr.8245]

Dan with them still hands.

[@lbow5479]

This story, imo, makes it seem like PTSD makes you a psychopathic murderer.

[@Tomgd420]

Well they want Soldiers to not be looked at in a good light so.

[@wk3820]

Soldier: I think I'm suffering from PTSD. Son: Don't murder us all, daddy! This is not the messaging PTSD needs.

[@bellapleasenoticeme4792]

Well the thing ptsd has lead to somewhat similar situations in the past such as the most known Chris Kyle the American sniper him and his buddy attempted to help someone with puss by going to the shooting range and said person believed they would turn on him and well sadly shot them.

[@Junya01]

I can get behind him accidentally killing peeps. I can get behind him being traumatised and depressed over the unexistence of his family and kids. I can get behind him releasing the info of all the heroes, with blurred faces, to show the world that heroes struggle too. What I can't get behind, is him setting up this elaborate murder mystery, framing two innocents, seemingly being a master criminal that can dupe both Barry AND Batman, the WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE, running so fast to grab the data bits to hack his way into watching all of the deleted confessions,,, it's just too much. It makes no damn sense, if he really did do this from trying to rectify his mistakes. Wally is a good person. Even if he loses control, he won't just run away from this. Time traveling into 5 days in the future to kill his future self? What would that accomplish?? If you're already messing around with time travel, why not just go BACK in time to stop yourself from killing everyone??? It's a hacked explanation over the scenario, like Tom King laid the groundworks for the mystery but didn't know how to wrap it up when going over it. At least that would explain the alternative covers and extra issues needed - King didn't go in with the exact killer in mind, so he wrote himself into a corner. At least, that's just my theory. As for the series itself, honestly it's a chore to read through. King's pretentious half/one-word sentences and the repeated use of this fake chirpiness in the confessions was especially aggravating. It made sense in Vision, not so much in Batman and Heroes in Crisis. I get King's schtick is to break down characters and explore their philosophy, but honestly it really feels like he's writing about the same character when writing monologues. Vision's internal thinking felt very similar to Scott Free's, feeling very similar to Batman's, feeling very similar to Wally's now, especially when talking about depression, suicide, self-punishment, if they can ever be happy, or the nature of existence. As for good points, the art is gorgeous. My only complaint is that it can feel very static, like there's no motion to the panels at all. And it doesn't help that the framing of these panels makes characters barely move at all. Like, they push out two different sentences from the same character into two panels, with the only change being a slightly different facial expression. Did I mention I hate most of the confessional parts? To me at least, it slows down the pacing considerably, and it makes each issue feel like a lot of fluff was stuffed in with progressions in plot and characters. At least that's just my thoughts. To me, the killer's reveal made some sense until it completely didn't, King's writing is pretentious and dialogue feels very forced, and the art is stunning but extremely static, with unnecessary panels bogging the pace of the story considerably.

[@jasonpye4649]

I'm thinking I agree with you like 95% about the bulk of this. Great layout and rundown in this post come a very sensible reasoning. Yes, I agree, the last half of Wally in this book seems wholly out of character.

[@Chenso2099]

THIS. THIS is how I felt about his Batman run. I liked it at the beginning, but the monotone, robotic and repetitive dialogue with the characters was aggravating to read. I hated the whole “Bat” and “Cat” shtick. I enjoyed Tom King’s Omega Men, Vision, and Mr. Miracle; but at some point, his writing became very same-y and dry. There’s neat stuff, but it all seems very repetitive.

[@kevinvu5432]

The whole story is based on actions that are so contrived It's just not coherent and this story pissed off fans. I REALLY hope they undo these deaths because it just feels like a random. It could've been anyone. I think it's a GREAT idea to show how PTSD effects people like Superheroes and what it makes them do. BUT! Heroes in crisis handled it terribly. If the story was simpler and not based on a murder mystery, then I wouldve preferred that. If wally had the ability to time travel and didnt care about consequences. He wouldve stopped himself from ever losing control regardless of the consequences.

[@fictionarch]

a story just about wally and roy dealing with their trauma along with the people they meet in sanctuary would be awesome.

[@kevinvu5432]

@@fictionarch agreed. Or just one big therapy session for characters that should have PTSD from some of the most traumatic moments in their lives.

[@0127sasuke]

@@kevinvu5432 and with actual therapists. Seriously sancuary had nothing. It could not have possibly helped anyone its ridiculous

[@sixtoewolf2]

Im still mad that harly quin got the best of wonder woman batman and superman. Shes more dangerous then joker lex Luther and any other bad guy

[@commanderspyder5432]

I think we need another Crisis after this mess of a storyline, since this story has ruined Wally West for many people.

[@anionhero]

Wally: I feel like I lost people in my life Batman: Join the club. You want a Robin costume? Speed Robin is born. LOL!

[@drummerelite]

So just a recap, last issue: Wally poses bodies, jammed teeth down another heroes throat, framed 2 other innocent people for murder, staged a crime scene, and placed his own body next to Roy’s cause it, “Felt right”? Seems TOTALLY in character to me.... If The Flash’s alter ego was Ted Bundy maybe. What stinks is that it’s going to be an Ant-man situation with this. No matter how much time passes, no matter how many retcons occur, Hank Pym is always the Ant-man who is the wife beater in people’s eyes. The same kind of stigma will always follow Wally West now because of this dumpster heap of a story. He’ll always be the, “Killer Flash” now who poses bodies.

[@Junya01]

Nah, there's something extra dirty about domestic abuse, sexual abuse, and abuse involving kids. It's why Hank Pym is the wife beater hero after all these years. At least King made it so Wally accidentally killing everyone is sympathetic, and he glosses over the details in staging the crime scene in issue 8. The only time we see its grim reality is with the first issue I believe, which most fans won't remember much of. This whole series is dumb. I don't know why King decided to go in this without a killer in mind, because it's quite clear he laid the groundworks for a mystery, but he wrote himself into a corner.

[@drummerelite]

Josh O Him being a killer is accidental, sure, but him posing bodies and framing 2 other people for murder was no accident. Him killing people won’t be remembered as the main headline really, but him posing his comrades like dolls in a dollhouse might be though. I sincerely hope you’re right and the story is just forgotten.

[@superdupernoah3900]

Yea it’s gonna be a situation where it’s like “yo remember when Wally killed 30 people???”

[@Junya01]

@@drummerelite I have to say that I highly doubt this will stick with him like a haunting past, considering peeps are already numb to vanilla murder in fiction. As for him playing with the bodies, again even I forgot what the fake crime scene looked like, and King didn't focus on it in issue 8 to make Wally seem more sympathetic. As for examples, remember Hal Jordan's parallax days? When you think of Hal Jordan, it's green lantern. Not scourge of the universe, killer of millions. They even retconned his insanity by saying Parallax the fear entity infected him. They can easily do a similar thing to Wally, maybe Dr. Manhattan manipulated Wally's mind while he was away or while he was in sanctuary, or better yet, Wally wasn't the one to really kill those people - think about it, when was the last time aside from this a flash ever lost control and made a a speedforce thunderbomb? Its never happened before. A few years down the line, they can say Doc Manhattan was observing Wally and decided to experiment, messing with the chemicals in his brain, forcing him to constantly remember his unexisted family, that he oversurged Wally's connection to the speedforce that it lost control, or even that Wally wasn't responsible for killing everyone - the thunderbomb was really just Doc Manhattan trying to trick Wally into thinking he did it. I highly doubt King will bring in Doc Manhattan this late in the game, but as long as King doesn't absolutely trash Wally further next issue, future writers can easily retcon this trainwreck.

[@wereflipper]

@@Junya01 To be fair to Hank Pym he didn't really abuse Janet, he was having a pyschosis fit ( no one knew he suffered from schizophrenia(I think) and depression at the time) and Janet approached him and he slapped her while turning around. Instead of getting him help the Avengers ostricized and alienated him causing him to sink deeper into his psychotic state and to do an ever increasing series of stupid things to try and get the Avengers to like him again. He only ever hit her that one time and he wasn't even fully aware of it.

[@thebaggytrouseredone]

Dan does a great job, his best role ever.

[@poorsoul8492]

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[@poorsoul8492]

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[@malks2500]

As a person currently get my Master's in psychology it frustrates me that people don't know how confidentiality works for therapy. Even if a superhero came and confessed who they were, a therapist couldn't legally say anything to anyone

[@nerdking1019]

Hey! Someone with no idea here. So a therapist couldn't legally report a crime? Because isn't being a Superhero technically a crime in the form of vigilantism? Does it depend on how bad the crime is? Like if someone confesses to murder I would imagine you have to report that right?

[@nerdking1019]

Hey! Someone with no idea here. So a therapist couldn't legally report a crime? Because isn't being a Superhero technically a crime in the form of vigilantism? Does it depend on how bad the crime is? Like if someone confesses to murder I would imagine you have to report that right?

[@Parietal-Polymath]

Confessed what? Depending on what they confess you would have to break confidentiality. There are definitely lines between confidentiality and "accomplice to a crime"

[@bacsilva]

So, a guy walks into a psychologist's office dressed like a bat, says he caused the death of a minor that he trained into being a child soldier, and the doctor is supposed to keep that between them? Even when the guy dressed as a bat continues to get more kids into his cult?

[@JShocks7]

Yes they can lmao. They would be required by law to tell on them, actually. It's like the case of that guy who told his therapist he would kill a girl he's stalking and the therapist didn't tell the police because of confidentiality. After the guy killed the girl he was stalking, law makers said you must disclose information in which the patient could be a danger to others or may be committing a dangerous crime

[@ztcgamer9652]

they brought back Wally West for this after knowing how much it meant to all of us they did this

[@travisdk84]

Benny is slowly turning into Angry Joe with all these rants

[@SetoShadowVT]

Except Better

[@JamilJslibi]

@@SetoShadowVT nah, when it comes to games he makes a great deal of research.

[@SetoShadowVT]

@@JamilJslibi Say that to his promise review of Kingdom Hearts 3 and doesn't review it despite not caring to play threw the rest of the games and again not Reviewing the game. Angry Joe has gotten lazy as hell

[@JamilJslibi]

@@SetoShadowVT not reviewing a specific game doesnt make him bad or lazy. There are alot of incomplete stories that comicstorian never finished. And angry joe is being called lazy when he post so many videos a week with 20 to 40 min with a ton of research invested in it. Plus he is making a new gameboard, plus when he goes to conventions he is sure to follow the people of the panels after the event to milk as much information as he can and get their emails for future discussions.

[@WannabeWryter]

Is that a bad thing

[@mattschroeder3432]

watching 2 military guys talk about this stuff is interesting thanks for your service.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Andy is really speaking my language, holy crap. But, hey, Benny. You're allowed to like this story. People are allowed to like what they like. I just don't like this story because it was billed as a mystery story, but there was no mystery because time travel, withholding of information, and magic became involved.

[@liftx1052]

I feel for my dude in back having to hold that white board that long for it to not even be used much LMFAO

[@liftx1052]

Lol I know

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

PLEASE continue to do these kind of videos! It adds more depth to the comic reviews you do!

[@jesse8699]

Wow I can honestly think this is Benny 24/7 😂😂

[@radfordra]

Wait, a GL was there? THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO MYSTERY ON THE KILLER! THE RING RECORDS EVERYTING! Also Speedstrs can't time travel right now. Barry and Wally broke the speedforce!

[@scxander]

its incredible how no one, including the writers, remember that wally can't timetravel anymore and its the entire basis of the mystery. I mean he was only brought to sanctuary because he CANT timetravel to find his kids! Also The Speedforce doesnt WORK like that! when has it ever been shown to attack people at random? Final WTF comment is he then sets up the frame just to then send something to Lois Lane explaining whats going on and why he did it?

[@KaraiMorotĩ]

Thank you this has been bothering me for so long.

[@greyambrosia]

He used booster's tech to time travel

[@EyedMoon]

There was no Green Lantern there, it was Solstice

[@CryptidZeker415]

Man, I dont wanna see anybody complain about what marvel did to captain america. Cause at least there, they made it so that the cosmic cube was what turned him hydra. While in heroes in crisis, we have nobody to blame for wally's actions, other than wally

[@Buzz3092]

Unpopular opinion here, but I genuinely liked Secret Empire. I read it as an alternate dimension version of the character replacing Cap and taking advantage of the trust everyone put in him. I know that’s not how things really happened, but that headcannon made things much more enjoyable.

[@Tomgd420]

It kind of did "Replace" him though and I mean it wasn't a bad idea. Even the idea he'd been doing good all that time to be what he was all for the ultimate betrayal which is kind of messed up by the idea he'd maybe been messing captures up for along time?

[@falserizufferezek9394]

The Batman Who Laughs will be the reason why Wally turned bad. It's still bullshit though.

[@CryptidZeker415]

@@Buzz3092 oh I hear you man. I'm probably the biggest fan of Secret Empire out there(i have all the tie ins, even 2 comic boxes with SE image on them). It's just sad that I have to admit, vocally, it's a hated event no matter how much I and others like the event.

[@AFchris77]

Hydracap sucked and the cosmic cube is an overplayed boring trope that they said it wasn't going to be in the beginning and then oh surprise it was the cosmic cube -.- it was lazy and denigrated the character of Cap and now DC has done the same thing with Wally.

[@CaptainAce847]

Wally is stupid cause why not just time travel and save everyone the second you killed them he won't crash the timeline cause its just seconds that passed and Wally traveled to the future didn't he so he has timetravel access

[@tacofriday5395]

Wouldn't fit the character assassination that didio and Tom king wanted to write

[@glazed_waffle5629]

@@tacofriday5395 I like this Wally

[@tacofriday5395]

@@glazed_waffle5629 Lol aye if ya like it I won't miss it we all have our own taste I was one of those people who really loved the superior spiderman which when it started a lot of people felt like it was also a character assassination I'm just not a fan of Tom kings writing his mini series are OK in my opinion but he Clearly doesn't seem to care for continuity or his stories come to really simple conclusions

[@randomduck8679]

Ace Gamer I believe Superman did that another time.

[@unknownuser8967]

@@glazed_waffle5629 nobody likes you.

[@kinger7645]

Get em Andy Tom King ruining everything

[@jeremyjoestar3767]

The wedding was first of many red flags

[@MatthewNovak]

King is my favorite writer in comics. Batman, Omega Men, Mister Miracle, and Vision are all extraordinary.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

@@MatthewNovak So this was his first fumble for you, right?

[@MatthewNovak]

Just Some Guy with a Mustache I actually like Heroes in Crisis. I don’t love it, but it’s good.

[@stephenthedude4383]

@laz kar wow that was a lot of jumping to conclusions for a person you don't know. I dont like tom king but your comment was pretty condescending and presumptuous

[@josephololade]

Benny: Wally killed everyone KZbin Comment: hold my drink Benny: Drinks the drink

[@JustSoji]

I’ve only been listening to comics experiment, this is the first time I’ve seen and my first thought was “WHY ARE THERE 2 BENNYS”

[@S-manx]

Contrived speedforce time travel bullsh*t

[@LCProductionCompany]

I love Dan just being stood there the whole time

[@tahirharris472]

I agree with the other guy!!!! that isn't wally character at all he is known as a high ranked good doer that's like saying superman would do something like that

[@hexbug9737]

I'll be honest be honestly the only reason I'm keeping up with this story is to see how it ends, so maybe I'm bias. I'm okay with Wally accidentally killing the other heroes. I'm okay with him leaking the information. I'm even okay with him killing the other/future Wally as a way to punish himself. I'm not okay with Wally framing Harley and Booster Gold at all. I think Wally framing them is an interesting idea. I also think i would have had less of a problem with it if this series didn't concentrate so much on murder mystery portion and actually concentrating more on wally showing us his though process, how he is coping with what he did, what exactly he's hoping to accomplish by leaking the information, or why he didn't go to one of the other heroes after he killed the people as sanctuary ( I can understand him not wanting to go to Barry after the events of Flash War but why not Dick, Donna, Iris or Clark). Overall I dislike this story and i don't think issue 9 will change that, I think the story is an interesting concept but the execution is flawed. Also, Sorry if there are any misspelling or grammar errors I'm using speech to text and I'm not exactly sober.

[@gabrielrivera-rodriguez6904]

Dope, unfortunately I agree with Andy, I can believe he lost control but wouldn't frame the others especially since he wants to share the secrets to show that everybody isn't alone, but by framing Harley and Booster Gold he's making them experience more pain and loneliness. Kinda goes against the whole hope for everyone schtick....

[@anthonyramirez5391]

Wally if he accidentally killed people I think he would’ve had a mental breakdown probably hide the bodies and isolated himself, blaming himself while thinking of ways to fix his mistake being too ashamed to tell anyone If the killer had to be Wally I would’ve like them to find out quick he was the killer cuz Barry seen how lightning effects the body and narrowed it down and the rest of the story was trying to find and help Wally before he had another mental break and repeats what he’s done and Barry having to come to terms he’s failed Wally and should’ve done more to help him find his family and that be what a Wally West Flash spin off would be about Wally finally finding his family or at least his kids Cuz since titans split up and since flash war I’ve been feeling dc has forgot Wally was suppose to be what brought the pre flashpoint events back and ignored him until Heroes in crisis which I’m surprised people have read up to the recent issue I dropped off quick

[@jasonpye4649]

Maybe you should blame Dan didio for your feeling that DC has forgotten what Wally West was brought back for, which was to solve the pre and post Flashpoint New 52 thing. I've heard it in a lot of corners of the comic community that things haven't exactly been great after Geoff John's stepped down from his executive role and other people took over the jobs he was doing safeguarding some characters.

[@MarcMagma]

"Your opinion is dumb and your hair cut is stupid." I almost died.

[@pavelgarcia4580]

I LOVED this video. Having someone else come in and explain his perspective. It was fun and new and it is how comic book fans should act. NOT attacking one another and sending death threats to writers.

[@JesseT63]

I thought in the flash rebirth run that the speed force is nerfed right now due to Wally and Barry. Did the writer ignore continuity?

[@t5dagreat]

I agree, I think framing Boostet and Harley was way outta character and a little evil genius to me. I do love the story though, with Wally battling ptsd and depression.

[@shinnybuttnerd248]

Him doing it to buy time is a legitimate argument Wally knew the league weren't going to kill the two

[@marcosdheleno]

problem is, the comic basically told us that, no matter what, you cant win against it, only accept it. it goes out of its way to show that, if someone suffers from ptsd or any other mental issue, that they are beyond help, and are a danger to everyone(including themselves). and that the best we can do is tell others who has them, so they can be avoided.

[@KarjenEX]

Wally is being framed by Cobalt Blue, who's been giving Godspeed instructions on messing with the Flash Family on a whole.

[@NotifrikiTV]

Dude i love this format, dont let the haters make you stop!

[@bradbradfordson9158]

I don't follow Wally so I don't know how bogus they did him from a narrative standpoint. BUT! As a story of mental health and suicide, it is a common trope that whoever we lost feels alone despite the fact that everyone around them feels light and love every minute. Take Robbin Williams as an example. When everyone associates you with hope or whatever, but all you feel is pain and isolation the cognitive dissonance can be life shattering. Add to that the fact that he let go of his self control for just a moment(hours in flash time) and killed a group of allies, at least one of his close friends among them, and he was just done with it. He paniced at that point. It's a horrific story but one that plays out in real life all to often. I think all the readers who are angry are having a very valid response similar(if on a smaller scale) to those who have list someone in real life. ALTHOUGH, it is weird that he doxed everyone in sanctuary in order to validate his trauma.

[@poorsoul8492]

Dan does a great job, his best role ever. Kudos to Dan for standing with that whiteboard the whole time. Dan is the MVP for standing there as the whiteboard the ENTIRE TIME ❤️

[@bigboykuboom3570]

I watch your videos to make my self look smart on front of people talking about heros and i love the way you narrate comics, you made me cry once because of the way you put emotions into your voice while narrating it's just absolutely Beautiful😭 😊

[@iam007richie]

another thing i wanna say is that in the Flash - they said time travel is done and it wouldn't happen anymore as both Wally and Flash broke the speed force and that is why Commander cold is stuck in present; and now they do this time travel BS like wtf

[@iceberg9259]

Bypassing all the rants. *He was in the military?* woah

[@Jopsyduck]

I believe that framing people for murder would definitely be out of character for Wally because Barry Allen became a CSI after his father was framed for the murder of his mother and then got his speed powers from chemicals in his lab coupled with being struck by lightning and thus would give Wally a code that would prevent him from framing people for anything while they worked together.

[@MoMagnus93]

I love these debates and rants please do more. This was me explaining secret empire on why it was good as a story

[@mikhailmik4152]

I agree with you ben, and i enjoy the story. Just want to point out is, In the current flash run, speedsters lost their power to time travel. And in Issue 8 of Hero in Crisis, it states on a panel that Wally used Boosters tech to time travel thus booster amour isnt up to date as it usually is

[@myworms]

I noticed that they’re delaying #9 to coincide with Doomsday Clock #10.

[@dondraper3898]

Thank you both for your service! That phrase always come across much more obligatory than I ever mean it to be.

[@dereksalyers7664]

I agree with Andy and I believe he would definitely turn his self in PTSD or not

[@MegaZero16]

just one nitpick about the way Wally time-traveled. He couldn't time travel through time with the Speed Force anymore. After the events of Flash War, they were unable to do so. Though Booster was able to do this with his tech. After Wally put Booster in the VR, who would experiencing the death of everyone by Harley, Wally used Boosters Tech to travel back and forth the kill himself of the future to frame Harley and Booster. it's just a small detail, but it really bothers me that everyone thinks they could use the Speed Force for this while that option is no longer there after breaking the Force Barrier(s)...

[@mellissacarwile4275]

Im with Benny on this one. I think Wally had a complete mental breakdown and was not himself throughout the story, that he was rationalizing with a panicked, fractured thought process that wouldn't allow him to fully connect the right things to do. I also read someone else's review and they were like it's Manhattan that's messing with everything, manipulating Wally and others into doing all this crap. Either way, I still have faith in my boy Wally, and he will collect himself somehow and he'll always be my hero

[@marcosdheleno]

the problem is not that he had a complete breakdown, but EVERYTHING ELSE. this is not how you deal with a mental issue. talking with a camera, revealing your problems to everyone, not seeking PROFESSIONAL HELP. this comic is atrocious, not because it made wally into a killer, but because it worked REALLY HARD to show that mental issue is a disease that cant be treated, and the best you can do is tell others, so they can avoid you.

[@AjaxOutlaw]

I love these little episodes. Love the rants!

[@kirkforthewin]

The Speedforce time travel shouldn't have worked because last I remembered the speed force no longer allowed time travel after Flash War.

[@joaquinjfernandez1528]

Tom king apparently didn't read flash war lol

[@marcosdheleno]

@@joaquinjfernandez1528 looking at how he botched mental health help, it seems like he was just incapable of reading... period.

[@jacksonm824]

I doubt Benny would ever see this but I’ve got this theory and it could make for a cool whiteboard video, so in the spider man trailers mysterio looks like a hero ,and if you’ve ever read a comic book you know that this must be some sort of trick ,mysterio has always been a villain, and pretty much the entire internet is in agreement that mysterio is going to be the villain of the film, well my theory is that what if mysterio is actually a hero, that they pull a similar twist to the skrull in captain marvel , could be an interesting twist on the character, the only think is I don’t think marvel would pull the same twist twice in the same year, but idk this could at least be cool to think about

[@jacksonm824]

Also this isn’t really related to to my first comment but I didn’t want to make two separate threads I wanted to give my thoughts on the hero’s in crisis situation I haven actually read it yet so I could be completely wrong but like what if heroes in crisis is more related to doomsday clock then we thought and when wally came back dr Manhattan put a “chip on his shoulder” baiscly something was just different about Wally and this “chip” has slowly let him down this darker path where he may become a villain for a couple story arcs then later revert back to a hero

[@trianor]

Andy's surprise entrance and counter opinion made this way more interesting! They should do this format more often :)

[@davfree9732]

DC killed hope once before. Black Adams wife that sent him on a rampage. The difference is, BA was a past villain trying to make good, Who relapsed due to his wife’s death. Wally is a hero who would not falsely accuse another if it would put the accused in mortal jeopardy. Harley stabbing Booster? Booster thinking he was a killer? That only works if Wally had the Jokers version of a bad day... in which case, that’s not only not Wally... that can never again be Wally.

[@SelenQuintero]

“You’re haircut is dumb” *laughs awkwardly in pain

[@ddkixk]

I would like to see more videos like this with You guys lol. I love the arguments and emotion into it because I get like that with some of my friends about stuff like this.

[@topnotch97]

Wally was seeing a shrink back in the day. this was around after Crisis on Infinite Earths after Barry died. Wally was coping the loss of Barry and putting on the Flash costume as his replacement.

[@dolphinexpert2748]

Benny Yells At The Editor For A Bunch Of Minutes= BYATEFABOM

[@Gpunter18]

I love this, I would love to see this as a round table discussion along with the white board

[@itsquiteelementary6844]

The whole reason Wally went to Sanctuary was as because he broke the speed force and had no chance to see his family, Commander Cold even said that the speedsters could no longer travel in time because of the speed force breaking. So how do you explain Wally then traveling through time killing himself and traveling back in time, if he had that ability back he would go and search for his family again.

[@thatguywiththetripod8577]

The best thing I can say about Heroes in Crisis is that it's trying. It feels like Tom King knows what he's talking about, just maybe editorial shenanigan's got in the way of the story he wanted to tell. There are good moments in the book, Superman's speech shows what King wanted to say about PTSD and it is really good. Also this might be subjective, but I actually do like the confessionals from the characters my favorite being Gnarrk. There just sitting down and talking about their problems and trauma. I like it when stories do this and get to the core of its characters. I know that's not the case for everyone, since not everyone likes every character, but it's an attempt to humanize this figures if you ask me. That being said, I do admit that Heroes in Crisis is not a good story. Those confessionals do drag down the pace of the story (you can skip them and it won't effect the main narrative) and the one with Hal Jordan asking what is willpower is just dumb. I can by Wally killing everyone, but everything after that is a big no. Heroes in Crisis just has to much going on in the narrative to work and I feel that if the mystery was dropped and instead focused on Wally dealing with the consequences of his actions and coping with his trauma it would have been really good.

[@marcosdheleno]

i disagree, it feels like he heard about it, but didnt actually bothered to looking into it deeper than a quick google search. not only did the story go out of its way to show that mental issues cant be helped(even going as far as making most people who did seek help died because of it), but it ended up by saying "you should seek help, it wont help, and it will probably leak, since even superheroes couldnt keep theirs secret". finally, what they had was NOT help, not every mental issue can be solved by talking about it. its the reason why shrinks and psychiatrists are 2 COMPLETELY DIFERENT professions.

[@thatguywiththetripod8577]

@@marcosdheleno Your right. I made my previous comment before I watched Linkara's massive episode on Heroes in Crisis, where he pretty much mentioned everything you did, and only then did I realized how bad Heroes in Crisis truly is. I still think the story had potential, but as it stands it's a terrible story with a terrible message about mental illness.

[@marcosdheleno]

@@thatguywiththetripod8577 i agree, the potential is there, my problem is with its execution. i can accept some of the decisions they took, but when it comes to mental issue, its just a massive failure.

[@Djimbo]

It’s clear what this is all meant to do. Dan DiDio (The DC editor) clearly hates Wally West and wanted to get rid of him. He tried in the New 52 but everyone lost their minds. So Geoff Johns brought him back in Rebirth. Dan couldn’t just erase or kill him again, so instead he decided to use character assassination and he had Tom King make Wally do something that would stain the character in the way that Hank Pym was stained by what he did to Janet Van Dyne.

[@TropeHatComics]

Path of Exile jacket..... WHAT! Let's map together mate. Also, my vote is for "Comic Rant-page"

[@jamesallen8870]

Hey Benny you spoiled everything! Why didn't you warn me ahead of the video?

[@TheGhostPanel]

The upside to this story for me is that a wider audience is finally getting that King's DC work has been terrible.

[@Rhapsodos_X]

10 minutes of Benny arguing Wally has a utilitarian goal and is justified both in character and in motive. What a waste of my time

[@TevyaSmolka]

Personally I am on Andy side on this one because he’s 100% right on this one having Wally west flash be the killer to sanctuary while I still hate that idea of Wally west killing everybody even on accident I could buy the whole ptsd because you’re right that’s could be a legit reason why he lost control of the speed force, however what I don’t buy is having Wally west flash basically covering everything up and basically going back In time to kill his future self and framing booster gold a friend and harly Quinn just buy him time to fix his mistake, because that doesn’t make any sense for Wally west our flash to do that at all.

[@miloanderson2903]

This is alllll a sanctuary simulation for Wally. Benny’s description even confirmed this for me.

[@Dorphy2kg]

Kudos guys! I'm really a fan of your channel. Reinventing the way to read comic books.

[@c.j.5604]

The reason Wally framed booster and Harley was because he was panicking and could not cope with hurting others (especially his friends). He put the blame aside because he could not live with people knowing that he killed all these people. Then he cooled off and released to everyone why this happened and why this could happen to any other hero.

[@brayanaraya3755]

Well Tom King added a new concept to the speed force. Wally or Barry had never mentioned that each second they’re controlling the speed force from just exploding. So that I did not like and he would not frame anyone or even release the secrets and identities of his friends and allies. He would’ve gone to a close friend for help not act like a fucking psychopath

[@megamonmon]

It's less like he added a new concept that expands the speed force lore and more made the speed force work this way so Wally would be the murderer and not directly responsible. I mean I'm pretty sure this straight up contradicts how the speed force has been portrayed since the 90's

[@AFchris77]

This is storyline is so bonkers and stupid. Not only does it put ppl like me with PTSD in a horrible light, it makes no sense with character direction. Running to collect data is also so dumb. The reasoning behind revealing everything was also ridiculous and framing innocent ppl? Garbage. They're gonna blame this on the batman who laughs or something just like marvel did with hydra cap and the cosmic cube. Boring. Sacrificing great character traits and values for a sub-par story and shock value. This story had so much potential and Tom King is the new Nick Spencer.. which is not a good thing. Wally would have immediately gone to Barry.

[@jamesconnors5653]

Thank you. Opinions are a window through which one might see better acquaintance.

[@dawnloria6370]

I think that people are so quick to dismiss all that Wally has lost since his arc in Rebirth began. He lost a life - wife, kids, friends. He was a hero that everyone forgot. PTSD and depression often lead a person to do things that other may deem out of character. Wally made a mistake and, in trying to fix it, made more mistakes as we all often do. He needed time so he could let the world know what he had done (and he may have felt like he should have died with all those people he accidentally killed). Wally West was and is a problem solver, but between the loss of everything and speed force shenanigans, he couldn't fix what he had done. I'm not justifying it but I also see him reacting to a situation rather than plotting the demise of Sanctuary. We all feel alone and that loneliness can be overwhelming. Grief can make us do terrible things. The heroes we look to save us suffer more than the regular person because they walk into the line of fire, into danger willingly and repeatedly. That theme is repeated over and over through out the book when you see the 9-panel confessions (of which Batman's broke my heart the most). No, I don't think a "sane" (sorry, not the right word but I left my thesaurus at home) Wally would do what he did. But a Wally suffering from depression an PTSD might. Sadly, I think Wally's troubles are just beginning...

[@eyezofthetygahphotography2817]

We knew that Wally can't handle tragedy...because of how Walter West handled losing Linda to Kobra.

[@Batknight12]

That was an alternative version of him that made different choices then he would. Wally thought he actually did lose Linda quite a few times. Like when he thought she'd been killed by Black Flash. He didn't turn into a crazy lunatic there.

[@joshuawaldorf9559]

Linkara recently went after this comic and HATES IT!! And it's not just him but others too.

[@stefanmalinovski8843]

I actually really really like Heroes In Crisis , first off the art is just amazing , there isn't any arguing there but when it comes to the story i feel like the whole superhero PTSD is really good ,it humanizes heroes , they're people too ,they suffer as well ,and wally framed Booster and Harley so he could buy himself some time to try and do something good ,but when he realized he couldn't he made his confession.

[@reeferman42078]

Keep the rants coming. Loved it!

[@shawnc7484]

I like the idea of benny making arguments for something then have Dan make the counter arguments

[@andrewmatseshe7343]

PTSD is real. I'm a Former Infantry Platoon Sergeant myself. That said, I agree with Andy (not just cause we share the same name). Wally has always been my favorite Flash and I can't imagine him doing all the framing stuff. He'd 100% go to Batman or Superman and "answer for his crimes." You aren't stupid though Benny. At least you pronounce it "Raas" as in "head" in Arabic so the whole thing makes sense.

[@pakhannna]

"you want a Robin costume?" Lmaoo

[@iamwraith7601]

No one can know Batman is not god---Best damn line ever

[@duncannslade]

Batman's Justice League Countermeasures leaking: *BAD* Wally leaking Justice League and various minor villains' psychological profiles: _GOOD_

[@avdj3284]

Love your channel 🤟🏽❤️🙏🏽

[@modernmusket2745]

I haven't listened/watched in a while and It was nice catching up! That being said, I dig your new style, it's masculine.

[@nerovondoom6298]

I agree with the PTSD idea but Wally learned from Barry. He learned how to cover his tracks though it seems rushed cover.

[@deongoins4481]

"Benny's comicstorian rant" "B.C.Rant"

[@ChubbyOddball]

"I like drawing lines". That line made me laugh more than it should have.

[@eoneillmor]

I honestly think there's a simple reason for Wally framing Booster and Harley, he panicked. He went into shock and reacted badly

[@majikk9123]

Dude your awesome at this! I'm also a veteran trying to stay away from working out in the real world cause I freak out. I just don't know where to start cause I get confused. I watch you a lot and take notes but, I need equipment. Once I can afford it, it's on.

[@MrLourie]

I thought Superman represented Hope. His Kryptonian 'S' shield even stands for Hope.

[@ishubetterthanyou1582]

Wally is better loved than Superman. Superman is respected but feared too. But Wally? He's just loved too much by literally everyone, even his villains.

[@bacsilva]

Gotta go with Andy in this one. PTSD can make Wally lose it and kill a bunch of people, but framing two mentally vulnerable people is going too far. Also, how come Wally can use the speed force to hack the destruction of data but not just peek on other people's treatment?

[@leademi1387]

I am with Andy in that I can see this as plausible with Wally up to a point. I definitely agree with it being a PTSD hallucination where he mistakes the heroes for enemies and accidentally kills them. I can then see him faking his death and sending out the secret recordings as a means to cover up everything due to his immense shame and anger at himself and the universe for how messed up he has become. An unintentional byproduct of releasing the videos would be shedding a light on the mental turmoil and coping struggles heroes endure and the world having to acknowledge his trauma, but he wouldn’t be thinking about that. What I cannot see as part of his character is framing anyone- especially a fellow comrade, even if it is someone as unhinged as Harley. Personally I hope this eventually becomes an official Elseworlds story because the idea is actually really interesting. It’s just if this is in cannon I don’t know how they can redeem Wally anytime soon.

[@Yo_its_Daim]

Shout out to the homie Dan Dollarz for holdin the whiteboard down 😭😭😭... I definitely agree with Andy-Man... And Big Ben with the whiteboard and Marker is like Thanos wielding The Infinity Gauntlet 😭😭😭... And yes, I gave you all random nicknames.

[@alejandroherrera9373]

Do more of this. This was amazing

[@whocares8662]

“Do you want a robin costume?” That was so funny holy shit

[@galvatronus1139]

My big concern is the leaking of the information. It would have been enough to just say that the heroes deal with trauma. But Wally sent Lois videos with people revealing their identities (hell Batman took off his cowl on camera!), and then Lois released these to the public?! I mean come on, there's a reason these people, her husband included, have these secret identities. But oh, it's a scoop, so she has to release it, regardless of the consequences.

[@legoben98productions]

I hope that Wally could get a redemption from this like if everyone who died comes back, because comics. Wally apologizes to everyone, some like citizen steel accepts the apology because he’s used to being killed and some like logon boy not accepting his apology. I hope that they keep the therapy for heroes place but upgrade it to where someone else wouldn’t lose control of their powers again. I’m kinda worried of how the rest of the dc universe is going to react.

[@SoGutz]

12 minutes watching this and just realized someone is holding the board

[@SoGutz]

It was Dan

[@Jirodyne]

The guy on the right, Andy I think his name was, is correct. I'd even argue that Wally West would NOT have revealed everyone else's secret to the world, cause where as before they had Hope, and he KNOWS they needed Hope, he just took that hope away. You don't look at someone for hope, realise they are suffering too and go "Wow, I can relate to that. I guess everything is better now." That's not how it works. You realised "Oh my god, even our heroes can fail. There is no hope. One day they are going to snap, they are going to die cause of their trama. There is no hope anymore, we're just waiting to die." And that is my biggest problem. Heroes are meant to be icons, someone to trive to be, to improve yourself, to better yourself. Making the heroes 'Mortal', 'Hurt', and 'Suffering Mental Issues', does 3 things. First, It removes them from being the best of the best in humanity and earthlings. Secondly, It brings in fear, that at any point they too can snap and go crazy. Here in reality, people snap all the time and usually at most kill 1-2 people, maybe their family and sometimes worse like serial killers, but they are all mortal. A Citizen, a Cop, or other adult person has the power to defend themselves and stop these people. But in a Superhero world, no random person on the street is going to stop Superman, or Batman, or Wonder Women if any of them snaps. Wally snapped and killed an entire host of heroes instantly and it was by accident. What if he snaps to Joker levels and actually did decide to go out murdering people? Who would really be able to stop him? Third and the worse of all, It makes people not want to strive to be a hero anymore. No one likes Trama, no one likes having a bunch of problems thrust onto themselves. No one goes out looking for tragic accidents waiting to happen. But that's to be expected of Heroes, it's just not explored or brought to the forethrought or mentioned very often. Having it all aired out in the open, publically, that doing good will fuck you up so badly? No one is going to want that, no one is going to strive for that, no one will willingly take that chance. And that, to me, if the worse part. It didn't GIVE hope, it KILLED all hope in the world. People can no longer look at Batman and call him a Hero, he's been proven to be a damaged vigilante who will kill everyone if he sees too much, or deals with too much. They just gave fuel for all those organizations all about killing the Super Powered Beings, if this was Marvel this would be the exact point in time that the Superhero Registration Act would happen as the people and governments can no longer trust ANY Hero. And unless they can prove without a doubt that they are able to wipe away all trama from all heroes in the whole world, there is no turning back. This series FUCKED the DC universe, as no one should listen to heroes anymore, Heroes should now become Enemy number 1 around the world. Regulated, Monitored, Contained and even Killed if too powerful. The entire planet now has a bunch of unbeated time bombs walking around, just waiting to snap and kill everything and everyone. And that's not a good thing.

[@dallasshumaker6148]

“You want a Robin costume?” brilliant. I am with Team NO. Except I like your hair. No problem there.