Hidden Policies Jehovah's Witnesses Don't Want You To Know About - EX JW Collaboration

In this video, I had the privilege of collaborating with Ex JW activist Kameron, whose videos helped me tremendously when I was waking up. For any who may not be aware of his channel entitled "Kameron Fader", I would highly recommend you check his videos out which are all very thought-provoking and excellently produced.
Here is a link to his channel / @kameronfader
In this video, Kameron and I discuss some aspects of the secret Elder's manual entitled Shepherd the Flock of God which you can view by clicking this link thetruthofjehowaswittness.fil...
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[@burbingberries6917]

I fornicated and called the coordinator literally 20 minutes after I did it and confessed. Got dissed and sat thru 24 months of mental anguish from being dissed. But according to the elder book I should've just waited a few years instead of losing 2 years of socialization with my close friends and family that I'll never get back. This organization is just so loving

[@Folakeh37]

Burbing Berries Actually that is very true. I know a family friend in Jersey that went away to college and played basketball and had sex while he was away, graduated and was a good Witness in every way. A few years later a girl he went to school with informs him she got pregnant and they had a five year old son. He got a DNA test and asked for custody and she let him raise the boy. He was never disfellowshipped or put on reproof or anything because he confessed his sin and said he was really sorry. That is when I realized (among many other times) how hypocritical these teachings were...as well as exist because something similar happened to a female and she was disfellowshipped without any regard.

[@NeatoboyAus]

Wow 2 years for fornication. That is sickening. Yeah you are right, no love!

[@mjcm8331]

Exactly what happened to me. Stupid me I should have just waited for 5 years and I would have never lost my family and so called friends. But no, I went straight to confessing 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@KameronFader]

Very honored and excited to be apart of your channel Fifth! I'm looking forward to the future content we come out with, I know we had a ton of ideas.

[@terryannrose4582]

Good video; two precious young men who have found their way out of a destructive mind controlling organization. I wish you both the very best. Wish I had gotten out when I was young and still able to accomplish the things I wanted so desperately to do.

[@sallypeterson3171]

They also never disfellowship for gluttony, yet this is also mentioned in the bible. Watchtower never addresses this issue, perhaps because so many of the elders are rather hefty? lol

[@annapostate8246]

Sally Peterson I asked the elder in my committee meeting why I was there for getting drunk but his 400 lb wife wasn't. No paradise for me! Lmao

[@shonaford9032]

Because they would lose most of the sisters mostly elders and ms’ wives

[@tomkenny5864]

It's the tude for the food

[@marvalice3455]

@@shonaford9032 my uncle pointed out how common it is for sisters to put on a lot of weight the moment they get married. He said it in an asshole way, but yeah it's super common.

[@sandysmith3439]

Hi guys, so good to see you working together, and glad that fifth, you are doing more videos as i have really missed them. i watched this under my real account and now came in this fake name account to post this.... My brother who is now a Ministerial Servant and had the audacity in the last 3 years to shun me, had an immoral life style for a couple of years, felt bad and stopped, another couple of years went by as he "progressed spiritually" and confessed. No Judicial committee and not even some scriptural encouragement. The elder he told to told him to forget it and then a few months later he was rewarded with MS title and shun his sister (me) about a year or so later for not habitually sinning but a one off sin. When he told me about his indiscretions and told me that even he was surprised he got off easy and made MS, and at the time he was thinking of telling my parents, I told him there was no need to tell our parents...as far as i was concerned he did not even need to confess to the elders. So now his is the angel in my parents eyes who is clean, but I who was shunned for 3 years by everyone. what a joke!!

[@oflyf]

Sandy Smith keep your head up in our first a one off sin as you put it, didn't hide it confessed 2hours later and was still dfd, they lied to my princess ex wife told her I committed adultery so she could be free scripturally, and as bogus as I was I didn't commit adultery, not to make this about me but to tell u I can related and actually know how you feel, your brother knows the spirit didn't appoint him it was favoritism, but what's more important is you're no longer blinded. Had you be treated any more gentile you would still be going door to door ignorantly misleading others telling them to convert and ultimately disown family which is unnatural, so would you want to be accepted under false pretenses or for and by TTATT (The truth about the truth)✌🏾👌🏾

[@sumaiacosta136]

I absolutely love this channel for being so clear and honest. Even though I'm not and never been JW, I know exactly what you're talking about cuz I belonged to a religion that is identical twins with JW. Please be ware of CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION. Some teachings: -They are the only way to God -Only their baptism is correct -Jesus is not God -Women must have their heads covered during service -the Elders have the strongest and right voice in the congregation. -women must wear sleaves and skirts and not cut their hair -men must not wear t-shirts and shorts -God will punish you for going to:beach, gym, trips with no intention to congregate, nail polish, makeup in general, etc... -fear based doctrines -stay away from literatures and internet -no college education stimulated -all and all the elders say is reveled by the Holly Spirit and you must follow -secret letters for the elders only - etc, etc, etc.... Is that enough? Stay away, please!

[@judynoble6842]

I'm not a JW so I don't understand why you have to confess to an elders. I confess my sin directly to God. Isn't that what the Catholics do, they confess to the Priest?

[@dyshondafowler9989]

Judy Noble Exactly. They forget to mention that the Bible says to confess to Jesus and not to men. That's where the mind control comes in.

[@UJB123]

Judy Noble Yeah, but it's worse with JWS. They aren't there to comfort a member that "sins', they're there to judge; which goes against Scripture ... big time.

[@oflyf]

Judy Noble the Bible read by Christians actually says confess to one another James 5:16, 1 John 1:7-9, this tells us that we need to confess be pursued for and forgiven by God and Christ, here's is where we see or rather one place where we see that there Bible is a contradiction in many ways and perhaps shouldn't be trusted after man has tampered w it to say the least

[@judynoble6842]

dagobah 77 Thanks for the scriptures. I know the bible talks of many other times when we are to forgive and ask to be forgiven but my comment is about the comparison of 'priest and elder'. They have taken on so much power and control. If the governing body are not inspired then how can these elders be. They have misapplied the scriptures. It's just another way to keep their members under control. My husband is a jw and he used to be an elder but he couldn't convert me! I know what Jesus did for me and I know who I belong to and it's not to an organization. I think that was his downfall as an elder. I see the control they they have on him... not willing to even look at their own history... fear and control runs deep in their veins.

[@oflyf]

Judy Noble I quoted the scripts in agreement w you, just to show how even in the Bible it's mixed up giving different directions let alone the crazy elders thinking the responsibility to excuse or accuse the cong members falls on their shoulders based on the branches idiotic interpretation of contradictory scripture. So I agree they turn these guys into company men. Like my one friend said they trick them into thinking their important w their false power brief cases and business sites and long meetings over nothing really. So I was not contradicting you just supporting your statements and showing how the Bible itself isn't a reliable guide but let them tell it is all spelled out just picture perfect to follow

[@CentsMy10]

This is good stuff. Keep exposing the true wicked out there who hide behind these man-made doctrines while vilifying the same people they're just alike. The irony...

[@grhomer2454]

Jehovah witnesses accusing Mormon or other religions that they have their own book,. but the same thing happens with JW not just one but three. one for the elder, one for the circuit overseer and one for the bethel stuff. great video. thank you. that will be good if you make more videos.

[@exjwfifth9838]

Gr homer thanks a lot! I'm glad you enjoyed it and I definitely would like to put more videos up

[@spf234]

Gr homer In addition to the Book of Mormon we have the "Churchs handbook of instructions". the equivalent of this book. we also have disciplinary councils, dis-fellowship, and excommunication. The doctrines are different but it's crazy how similar the structure is.

[@marvalice3455]

@@spf234 it almost feels like there may be a common influence. Some unseen mastermind with fingers in both pies...

[@MonaLisa-yb9bq]

I remember a few decades ago when a sister told the elders she had committed immorality with an elder, not her husband. Well, the elder denied it and continued to be an elder, giving talks. However, a couple of congregations refused to let that elder give talks in their Kingdom Halls. I had lied to the elders in 1979 about how many times I had committed fornication and got pregnant. Before I remarried in 1981, my betrothed said I had to confess to the elders about that. I did which they forgave me and my privileges stayed the same. (basically commenting at meetings and aux. pioneering). I hate the elders' book. It's a travesty. You're right about the bible putting all of those sins as SINS. Yes there is mercy but elders are bullies most of the time. They don't have holy spirit.

[@tyamada21]

Years ago I was lead to believe that to practice Nichiren’s Buddhism correctly, one had to attend meetings and belong to an organisation. Nowadays I’ve come to understand that anyone, regardless of whether they become a ‘member’ of a group or not, can benefit from their own personal practice. The reason for this is that the Law of myoho-renge-kyo represents the identity of what some now refer to as the ‘unified field of all consciousnesses’. In other words, it’s the essence behind all existence and non-existence, the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence is simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the true creator of everything that is, ever was and ever will be, right down to the minutest particles of dust, each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting ‘Nam-myoho-renge-kyo’ Nam = to awaken and align with one's inner-self) and most conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a middle man to connect us to our state of enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves by tapping directly into it by way of self-produced sound vibration. On the subject of ‘what or who is God?’, when we compare the concept of ‘God’, as a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to Nichiren’s teachings, the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people call ‘God’ is our enlightenment, which exists nowhere else but within us. When the disciples asked Jesus where the Kingdom of God is, didn’t he tell them that it was within them? Some say that ‘God’ is an entity that can never be seen. I think that the vast amount of information that is constantly being conveyed via electromagnetic waves gives us proof of how an invisible state of what many call ‘God’ could actually exist. It’s widely known that certain data being relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects, including instant global awareness of something or mass emotional reaction. As well as many other things, it’s also common knowledge that these waves can be used to detonate a bomb or to even enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars. However, none of this is possible without a receiver to decode the information that is being transmitted. Without the receiver, the information would remain impotent. In a similar way, it’s very important for us to have our receiver switched on, so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our life, all other life and who we and all else that exists truly is. Chanting ‘Nam-myoho-renge-kyo’ helps us to achieve this, because it allows us to reach into the core of our enlightenment and switch it on. That’s because, as I mentioned before, the sound vibration of ‘myoho-renge-kyo’ represents the combination of the three major laws that underlie all existence. ‘Myoho’ represents the Law of latency and manifestation (Nature), and consists of two alternating states. One state of ‘myo’ is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists. This includes our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them, our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re not being expressed, our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma, and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ‘ho’, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes obvious to us, such as when a thought pops up from our memory, whenever we experience or express our emotions, or whenever a good or bad effect comes forth from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it simply means that it has come out of the state of ‘myo’ (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ‘ho’ (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing something. The second law, ‘renge’, governs and controls the functions of ‘myoho’ - ‘ren’ meaning cause and ‘ge’ meaning effect. These two laws, ‘myoho’ and ‘renge’, work together simultaneously and underlie all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination, ‘kyo’, is what allows the law ‘myoho’ to integrate with the law ‘renge’. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects together all Life and matter, as well as the past, present and future. It is often termed the Universal Law of Communication. Perhaps it could even be compared to the ‘string theory’ that some scientists now suspect exists. Just as our body cells, thoughts, feelings and all else are constantly fluctuating within us, everything in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux, in accordance with these three laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of ‘myo’ and ‘ho’ in a single moment than it would ever be possible for us to calculate or describe. And it doesn't matter how big, small, important or trivial anything may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now, or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of 'myoho-renge-kyo'. These three laws are also the basis of the four fundamental forces and if they didn't function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. Simply put, all forms of existence, including the seasons, day and night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation, rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two states of ‘myo’ and ‘ho’ in accordance with ‘renge’ and by way of ‘kyo’. Even stars are dying and being reborn again in accordance with the workings of ‘myoho-renge-kyo’. ‘Nam’ is like a password or key; it allows us to reach deep within our life and fuse with or become one with ‘myoho-renge-kyo’. On a more personal basis, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives from moment to moment, as well as our environment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth turns and rhythmically chanting ‘Nam-myoho-renge-kyo’ repeatedly for a minimum of ten minutes daily, any of us can gain actual proof of its effects in our life. By building up a force from within, it allows us to pierce through even the thickest layers of our karma and reach directly into the ultimate wisdom of our and all other life. Unlike the fantasy of a magic wand to make our problems vanish, chanting ‘Nam-myoho-renge-kyo’ awakens our innate wisdom and brings to the surface our hidden potential, a much clearer realisation and understanding of our good and bad karma, and positive ways that we can both cope with and change our negative circumstances into positive ones. It brings forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that is preventing us from accepting and being proud of who we truly are, regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexual preference. It also allows us to see and understand things outside of ourselves more clearly and, by way of the electromagnetic forces of which we are all a part, helps us to connect with, or draw towards us, any external circumstances or help that we need. Proof of this effect soon becomes obvious to anyone who chants ‘Nam-myoho-renge-kyo’ on a regular basis. Of course, the more sincerely we chant, the more powerful and faster its effect will be.

[@VanesssaVoxx]

Oh my God, this was so funny and useful. I loved hearing about their hypocrisy. Great video.

[@jushaup426]

I heard that "sin disclaimer" in the Shepherding book was to help keep elders (that the Society is losing left and right) in their positions because congregations are closing all over because there's no one left to take the lead. Great video and a big thumbs up!! Ops! And look at fat Geoffrey Jackson, yikes! If that's not sinning I don't know what else you could call it!

[@exjwfifth9838]

Belle wow I hadn't even thought about that! Makes perfect sense though

[@BurrQ19]

Belle - Exactly Belle. I immediately thought that too. I've learned that the Watchtower has been making crazy moves because they are being forced by the Ex JW Community. This sin confession loophole is surely to keep more elders in the organization. They are loosing them left and right!! Look at when they encouraged sisters to only look at men who have a position of at least Ministerial Servant by a certain age. It was all to artificially stir some more lazy brothers to reach out if they want better marriage prospects. The WT always makes a move by considering which of all options will keep them relevant for the longest period of time.

[@mindit808]

Gerard Burton Wow, they've really got it down pat.

[@TarquinMelnyk]

Love both of your content. Glad to see the collaboration.

[@exjwfifth9838]

Tarquin Melnyk thank you!

[@lulubellers]

The shepherd the flock of god book SHOULD BE named the SEPARATE the flock of god book!

[@rosauradorantes6310]

Gracias Fifth y a tu colaborador. Excelente informacion. Un saludo afectuoso.

[@lachicarivers51demilo52]

Please put out more videos like this. Thank you both.

[@exjwfifth9838]

LaChicaRivers51deMilo so glad you enjoyed it 😁

[@aaroncharles4793]

good work my bothers.. keep up the good work! wish more witnesses could open up there eyes!

[@buscandolaverdadbeth9914]

Eso me paso a mi era una tortura y finalmente lo confesé una relación que tuve sin estar casada, y me scensuraron. pero resulta que después hice un negocio con un hermano y nos robo y no le hicieron nada, son tan ipocritas que ese ladrón comentaba sobre lo mal que está robar en el estudio de la Atalaya, eso y muchas injusticias y vejaciones hemos visto ahí hasta, que despiertas y ves lo ridículo e injusto de esa gente. Muchas gracias

[@TheJungletarzanboi]

Come back with more collaboration videos guys.... please and thank you!

[@mackiepimo-jwjones3019]

I got my download! Short story... kissed a boy in college but didn't confess it to an elder until like 5 years later. He didn't do anything, LOL. Makes me wonder how many "sins" the elders do and dont confess until years later when the sin is "obsolete" lol.

[@dyshondafowler9989]

Mackie Jae Kissing isn't a sin. If you had sex with the guy you might find yourself in the back room.

[@burbingberries6917]

Mackie Jae Jones There's nothing wrong with kissing. You could've sucked his face off if you wanted to. HOWEVER, if you touched or rubbed his genitals even with his pants never coming off, or if he touched your genitals or breast, then that's a judicial committee matter. You don't have to have sex. You just have to touch it with your hands

[@BrownPeace]

This video was extraordinary!! Thank you both for your clarity and openness. The only Shepherd book I can find is the one dated 2010. Is 2010 the most recent version, or is there a later one? If so, can you give the link? Thank you so much. :)

[@shewhirls]

I wish information like this and the web in general was available to me after my disfellowshipping back in 89'. It has been a long, long road to recovery. It is evident in your videos that your energy is that of sincerity and not resentment (although that would be entirely justified. Thank you for taking the time and sharing the stories, interviews and information.

[@exjwfifth9838]

shewhirls I really appreciate those words thank you. And I can only imagine how life for exjws would have been prior to the internet age and KZbin. The fact that you have been able to recover is remarkable. Thanks a lot for watching and for your support

[@thmpick]

I'd be curious to know that once someone fades and successfully leaves the WT org... where does the largest percentage of them end up going in their search for the real Truth and to serve Jehovah/God? That seems to be the biggest question many have once they get over the Great Escape and coping with their new found freedom. Any thoughts, anyone? Thank You! R.G.

[@sfboo007]

I am really enjoying these videos sir. ☺️I hope you keep posting and interviewing.

[@darthfader7876]

This was great info. Unscriptured based loop holes! Definitely man made control tactics.

[@martinryan3041]

Your film has been categorised as Film & Animation, change it to 'Activism' and this will help you reach a larger audience. Also make sure you tag the video properly as this will have the same effect.

[@exjwfifth9838]

Martin Ryan thanks for the suggestion will do. I have a lot of tags, anything specific that you would recommend that I could add?

[@oflyf]

The other thing about this statute of limitations rule for the book holders alone, this helps those who are recommending and appointing these ones w hidden sins from having egg on their faces because appointing a person concealing what they call sin, proves that in this process there's no involvement of holy spirit or of divine guidance which what the holy spirit is, so now they can keep this dude serving and he won't embarrass them because they'll just let him keep serving.

[@jeremiaspolanco8892]

you know what fifth, it's time for us to have our first " ex jehovah's witness apostate convention "

[@Rupunzelsawake]

Great video! I had never considered that point made about "porneia" - only one transgression required for a JC, whereas for something like drunkneness, a "practice" or "notoriety" is required before forming a JC! Talk about double standards.

[@herns18]

The reason for this is because it takes a lot of steps to get to "porneia". You have to think of it (which you're not supposed to do) or maybe watch pornography (which you're not supposed to do) then be a closed friend or dating someone of the opposite sex and be alone with them in a compromising position (which you're not supposed to do either). When none of these raised a red flag to make you turn around from the road that leads to sin and you actually commit the act, then yes, the brothers need to meet up with you to see what you've been up to. Other sins, like drunkenness for example, usually happen more suddenly. You go to a party, have a couple of drinks, then someone offers you another, you want to show you're the man and go for it....you see where I'm going with this. This doesn't mean you have a wicked heart, you just let your guard down. But when it becomes a practice, that's when you'll get in trouble. The circumstances that lead to a sin matter a lot. Peter lied about knowing Jesus (3 times), but the Bible doesn't paint him as a wicked person for that. Whereas Ananias and Sapphira lied to the Apostles (just once) and were executed for it. As the circumstances show, Peter just had a moment of weakness and lied out of fear of man or a possible death. While Ananias and Sapphira schemed a devious plan to deceive the apostles. These matters are not always black and white. It's similar with the Judicial system. Premeditated murder carries a harsher penalty than a murder that results from a random fight at a bar, although they're both murders.

[@CanadianLoveKnot]

herns18, the question is why does the congregation have a judicial system to begin with...just like the Pharisees? Has not all the judging been handed over to Christ?

[@guillermovilla9517]

herns18 not necessarily. You could be alone with someone with no intention of having sex, but it can “just happen.”

[@miat8264]

Works oriented religion. Nutty. The secrecy is only known by those who ever been involved in a judicial hearing. Many jdubs are oblivious of how it really works.

[@jessescobieful]

Father Guido Sarducci on SNL is the light version of the Shepard book

[@suchenliao2710]

You as individual is great in your own right,here are two minds are better than one,this is over the top video and what so amazing is you two had such great respect and love for each other so heartwarm to see.thank you brothers

[@exjwfifth9838]

Suchen liao I really appreciate those kind words thank you. We're hoping to work on some more projects together and there is definitely a mutual respect. I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@jameelazavala1977]

Just like I was telling you once about tattoos and piercings. They only judge what they want to judge.

[@Theoriginalgreenring]

I love that y'all are together hanging out haha!!

[@exjwfifth9838]

Candice Lambert yeah it's been cool. And we didn't know each other before these KZbin videos

[@KameronFader]

You're still alive! Miss your channel Candice! Exactly, we didn't know each other before KZbin! I'm glad we met now.

[@bobbypaluga4346]

Very nice gentlemen excellent content. Bethel stories are always gold

[@annapostate8246]

Great video guys! Thanks for sharing

[@exjwfifth9838]

Maria Albert glad you enjoyed it 😁

[@UJB123]

I think porneia should be the same as lying and stealing. There wasn't any fiddly do going on in that Garden ... but there certainly was some lying and stealing. Good job young men!

[@sandysmith3439]

Also, in any reputable organisation or secular places Policies and Procedure are always made available to the people involved in it to know what they are governed by! That is one of the things that you are made to be aware of when you get hired in a new job or join organisation. Only in the "one and true religion" they see the need to hide this from the followers! Doesn't make sense.

[@pattycake773]

I can see why both of you were JW's.....you're both well-spoken, good vocabulary, nice delivery. You were probably considered an asset. Women aren't considered "assets" in that no one is looking upon them as a future MS/Elder. and that ratio of members to Elders is important to them. They can't have 100 people at meetings with only two Elders or 1 MS, for example. I saw men "made" Servants just because they needed them. If they already had five, there wasn't so much of a hurry to "make" a newly-Baptized man of only a year, let's say, an MS. same with Elders. It seemed like it had more to do with how many they already had than who "qualified". unless, of course, they already knew from past conversations that you were willing to uproot your family and go "where the need was greater". You could shoot right to the "top" if you were able to move.

[@googleshitsyt5557]

When you sinned and keep it quiet: not disfellowshipped!!! When you are abused as a child and you can't bear it anymore and you talk and want JUSTICE: you GET DISFELLOWSHIPPED

[@nicogonzalez5520]

where did y’all get that book? and i have some questions for you on the porneia subject from the book

[@exjwfifth9838]

thetruthofjehowaswittness.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/jehovas-vitner.pdf

[@creatorsservant7226]

The reason the Jehovah's Witnesses can come up with scripture that will support their ludicrous philosophy and so-called facts, is because, they print out their own version of the KJV bible. They take scripture points and put in their own when they print bibles at their printing press.

[@RitaMalikfour]

I have two sisters that are very overweight, Fuad this mean they could be disfellowshiped? it’s a problem with wieght with some of my family members flung back z few generations, I’m a few pounds dz oversight but I had a stroke snd can’t do very much, I’m disabled and bed ridden so I put some wieght but my two sisters live food and are fat, my grandparents were fat, my mom was fat, one sister and I stayed thin but now I’ve got a few pounds to lose but it’s hard cause I’m disabled and cannot walk are we in trouble?

[@RitaMalikfour]

Having keyboard issues , sorry for typos

[@Himithor]

Do you have any stats on the yearly numbers on those who are disfellowshiped?

[@enowdemuller4449]

for example an elder may do something wrong that requires some reprove , he could lost his privilege as an elder in the congregation. yet he may still be privileged to give comments at meetings, still be privileged to converse with everyone freely at the kingdom hall, and evrywhere, he can still be privileged to conduct the family meetings at his home , and still represent his family in prayers, etc

[@oflyf]

I would like to collaborate with you both in a video discussion if the 2/2017 study mag Who is leading Gods people today? And the style from 2013 whether the gov body admits to not being there faithful slave.

[@shewhirls]

thanks for you reply. apologies for writing back here... please direct me if there is a more appropriate place. obviously the healing is still happening as i'm absolutely riveted by all the information available. so much that i had no idea about! once i left, i was done. i went into self preservation mode developing an exterior shell that was impenetrable. my mom is the only contact i have to the organization and although she 'breaks law' by trying to reach me, my exit from the JW's is the main source of all our relationship pain... for her- (dealing with the disapproval of the elders and for me the constant begging for her to just let me live with my own thinking, free of her/their judgement.) as a sidenote, i'm a decent person, mother, wife, teacher... didn't turn into a drunken harlot! something about watching the reports and the personal testimonials is so incredibly comforting to me... as the watching makes the experience less lonely and eases the lingering 'what if' that still lies beneath surface 27 years later. deprogramming has been a chore and something i still wrestle with at times (didn't really get that until i started watching a couple days ago). I have two questions I'd like to ask you but want to do it in the appropriate forum... one is on baptism and minors and the other is on where all the society's money goes? maybe you would help if you have any info on these topics?

[@THATSINCREDIBLE112]

fifth how can i contact you for over the phone conversation bro?

[@constpegasus]

What are you two up to now? Going to any churches or staying away from organizations the way Pastor Russell warned of?

[@Cerebrum_Architech]

Interesting video, I do know many factors have to be considered with looking at size, metabolism, medication, age and disabilities. Etc.

[@lexusmike440]

Hello Fifth. Is there a way to reach out to you directly?

[@massiahson6391]

The problem is simple, the elders were just a loving provision jehovah put to help a sick person, for when one is sick he often needs help to get back up,so d elders are like doctors however the organization does often misrepresent jehovah at times,they put it as if you dont go to the elders your sins wont be forgiving which is not true the bible says in ezikel once the person leaves his sins jehovah would forgive him! So you dont need to go to the elders to get your sins forgiven they r just there to assist the sick person, however one must leave his sin for jeh 2 forgive him

[@merylbarnes2770]

I have noticed that many of the brothers who became elders almost immediately stepped down. I believe that they can't stay in that position with a good conscious after reading that book. The ones who stay in the position are power hungry.

[@Himithor]

In the last week's 06/03/2018... They say in the WT study... that disfellowshipping is a form of discipline.. an should be humbly accepted by the person and the families...ijs

[@lois1502]

I said after seeing the royal commission on pediphilia that I think the watchtower got disfellowsipped ,I,m waiting for them to make the announcement to everybody and then I,all return to the meetings

[@oroborus21x53]

this was interesting. btw, not too sound arrogant but I would not be surprised if the policy about "having to confess" that you discussed arose, at least in part, from my personal judicial committee proceedings which went to Bethel because the original judicial committee (which voted 2 to 1 to disfellowship) refused to accept the appellate committee's recommendation NOT to disfellowship me and thus it had to go to Bethel for a decision since the two bodies couldn't agree. The reason I say this is, without getting too deeply into it on your page, was that the crux of my situation and argument all centered around the issue of confession long after the occurrence of the sin and the understanding of James 5:14. Prior to my proceedings (back in 1999-2000) there was little guidance that the Elders had on hand to counter my arguments but specific material came out a little less than a year afterward via the KM.

[@lokisfriend]

If I sin and feel guilt, I go to God in prayer and ask forgiveness, why should I go to a group of men (who are going to tell their wives in pillow talk & she will tell all her friends) who consider themselves mediators, , , but isn't Jesus our only mediator to God? It seems pointless to me to go be disciplined by men who can't seem to weigh the seriousness of most matters and have their punishment be enough to clear my conscience when a sincere talk with God would be enough, does that make sense? It also seems that men would be judged differently than women imo

[@michaelbland212]

Yes very strange 🤔 drunkenness is seen as very serious yet gluttony is dismissed and not dealt with ,yet the amount of brothers and sisters that are overweight is astonishing ,some are morbidly obese and will eat two or three times the norm and yet brothers who drink a six pack at the end of a hard day's work are up for a disfellowshipping ,so the fattys can get away with it gulping down pizzas ,chips ,steaks ,yet a brother who chills out after working hard all day with a six pack is up before the judicial committee?🤔you can't just pick and choose the laws you want to follow ,deal with the fattys the same way you deal with the drunks ,and don't make excuses they have metabolism problems when they are just greedy fattys

[@bubblestar2314]

The Shepherding Book is comparable to the Pharisee's Talmud Law. Uninspired men trying to add to the Law. Christians are now suppose to be led by the Holy Spirit and are no longer living under a written Law. The JW have written up a new Law book. JW are depending upon men (the elders) to GUIDE them and this shows that they are not leaning upon the Holy Spirit to teach and to GUIDE them. God, through His Holy Spirit put His Laws "in our hearts". So RULE BOOKS are no longer necessary. For true Christians that is.

[@joyedetbrenner1446]

Here is a different subject. It is info concerning the 607 - 1914 (the 7 TIMES - 2520 ''days/years'') prophecy: JW's DID NOT TRANSPOSE the 1,914 years (after Christ) from the Jewish Calendar (360 days) to the Gregorian (365.24254 days). It is a 28 year difference! Considering this, 1886 AD is the date the JW'S should ''CLAIM'' that ''Kingdom'' was set up. (Daniel 4:16). The 2520 years, minus 607 (the years before Christ) equals 1,913 years ''after Christ''. (The ''year ONE'' - BC / AD problem will be taken into account later.) Those 1913 years must be counted as Jewish years of 360 days each - they do NOT suddenly become Gregorian years of 365.2425 days. How long is a ''TIME''? Insight On The Scriptures, Vol 1 - page 135 states, ''The duration of a year, as so used, is indicated to be 360 days... ''This is JW ''insight''! JW.org must stick to that number. 360 x 7 = 2520 days / years. To Transpose, multiply 1,913 times 360 days, to get the total number of days in that time period. And then divide that number by 365.2425 (the Gregorian number of days in a year) to arrive at the number of years it represents in our calendar. (The number 365.2425 takes care of the Leap years.) Therefore, 1,913 Jewish years, times 360 (Jewish days in a year) equal 688,680 Jewish days. Now, divide that number by 365.2425 to transpose it into our calendar. It comes to the year 1885AD. The ''year ONE'' - BC / AD problem still has to be taken into account. Jehovah's Witnesses added one year, so the year becomes 1886AD. 1886AD should have been ''claimed'' as the ''YEAR THE MESSIANIC KINGDOM WAS SET. UP''---- not 191 4. For more info, please visit, 1914 JW Xposer I am trying to let as many people know about this as possible. The best way I can do this is by using the ''comment section''. I hope this is ''ok'' with everyone.

[@nunuwishunu9161]

There are definitely different categories of sin. Murder is wayyy different than smoking cigarettes or telling white lies.

[@dawnelizabeth1828]

I really loved your hidden policies video, it was well done and presented. Why do they ask such personal questions during judicial hearings? Take care. Your loyal listener, Dawn Elizabeth

[@exjwfifth9838]

Dawn OKane wow a loyal listener?? I'm very flattered thank you Dawn. And glad you enjoyed it

[@Elroi3310]

I was thinking : I have been disfellowshipt a few days ago for using cannabis ( great stuf btw , fights depression , and other illnes ) My other friends living in another city are allow to use cannabis by the elders. And they are avoiding,shunning me. Because they want to stay loyal to "Jehovah " Ok I'm in a cult😂 It's sad to see how brothers and sisters have fear for elders and the organization because they think it's Gods organization.what I use to think also. So I'm gonna start my own religion now. I think I am gonna call it : the bible-students! Anyone want to join me ?

[@kidkurtis5229]

These guys are laughing here and there but man...It pains me. Especially when he talked about being overweight as a young man. That was pain. inner pain. I feel for you brother! Sorry you had to go through that. We've all suffered. Thanks for sharing.

[@tyamada21]

Haven't listened to all of this yet, however, regarding the 'stealing and lying' rules, well then, I think that the teaching you have mentioned are ridiculously limited and illogical when it comes to common sense. For example, what's worse? To steal food in order to feed someone who is starving, when there is no other way, or ignore an opportunity and just let someone starve to death etc etc... Where one's own or someone else's life is in danger - to lie in order to save lives, or tell the truth and risk being killed or let someone else be killed? There is so much more to life than the limiting rules this book contains. Common sense does not prevail. And who are these people that have put themselves up on pedestals to judge and control the lives and choices of others? We are responsible for ourselves and we have a right to make our own choices...

[@jeremiaspolanco8892]

well said tydall

[@decodynamo]

See "Policy Of Truth", Depeche Mode

[@ralphpollard9476]

Good job keep it coming

[@exjwfifth9838]

Ralph Pollard thanks!

[@naterobinson5141]

Another reason why I left is that some "friends" felt even if you are married oral sex is still a sin.

[@pinkfuschia8140]

Interesting that 'porneia' has to involve use of the genitals to be porneia. I was a campaigner against pornography and was shocked by an elder's wife telling me there was nothing wrong with the nudes in our UK newspapers that I campaigned against as her husband looked at that. The elders said he wasn't sinning unless he took it further, even when I pointed out what Jesus said at Matthew 5:27-30. Then a sister I befriended fell into drugs and threatened to beat me up when I said I was going to get her some help. She told me she was joining an escort agency to pay for it and she thought that just involved going to dinner with men who didn't have anyone. I put her straight, then she said she had got involved in working for a telephone sex line, saying "You don't commit fornication, you just listen to them talking dirty, laugh and put the phone down and get paid good money." As an unbaptized publisher I thought "This is ludicrous. Which one of those elders should I be reporting her sin to? Also if porneia doesn't include sexual immorality which doesn't involve use of the genitals, would she be treated the same as that elder that looked at the degrading pictures in the newspaper." I was marked because I had caused divisions over the issue with what that elder was doing and there'd been a shepherding talk about "matters of conscience which were for the male family head to decide on." The sister had at the time laughed and said "would it be porneia if one of us posed nude in the paper?" The whole idea of putting sins on a gradient, calling some things "a matter of conscience" was clearly made up by the society. I was told my thinking was too black and white! About 6 months after I left the meetings, I got a really sick obscene phone call message on my voicemail, which I took to the police as it was a threat of rape. They took the phone and overnight there were more messages, but one was from a teenage boy looking for a prostitute. When they tracked him down they discovered my number was on an obscene website by mistake. Some time later it dawned on me that the sister that I'd looked after when her husband beat her and she turned to drugs, had done this in retaliation to me for getting help for her kids. But there was no proving it or no way of finding her as she'd moved across country. I cried for her to be in such a state and was really angry with the hypocritical elders who'd given those talks about me.

[@anayhiasmimi1409]

Addiction to things like alcohol and food is a disease love how they judge everyone

[@pipepulla]

Im out... but when i was in? Hell 2 da nah, why would anyone snitch themselves out. HA! i always kept shit to myself after seeing my closest friends all paranoid and creating their own outcome already knowing whats bout to happen.

[@jbmaruca4397]

In a real protestant church you confess your sin to God, and if you are sincere your sin is forgiven by the Lord. If you took it to a pastor he would advice you in how to move forward, but would not bar you from the church unless he considered you a serious threat to the safety of the others. In the Catholic Church, you are encouraged to confess your sins, to God, to go to confession with a priest, pray with the priest about your sorrow for your sin, and desire to do better, receive an act of penance to perform, receive counsel about any reparation you should make to those you harmed, (which in case it was a matter that violated the laws of the land would include turning yourself in to the proper authorities), receive absolution verbally from the priest on behalf of the church and in Jesus name. And you are given total forgiveness which allows you to receive communion with the rest of the congregation.In rare cases the priest cannot in good conscious give you absolution until you meet certain conditions, but this would be in very grave matters, such as murder or abortion. Much more humane.

[@toddhayes3506]

Great Job

[@rogersmith9086]

Good talk. Keep it up

[@keenanwilliams24]

That shit was so traumatizing...

[@jamesgreen1031]

Do the bible says explicitly what sin is?

[@exjwfifth9838]

James Green not sure what you mean. Are you asking whether the Bible says that certain actions are sins? Or if the Bible explicitly defines the word "sin"?

[@jamesgreen1031]

ExJW Fifth defines the word sin and what it is. 1 John 3:4. KJV version preferably. I was born into JWs. 43 yrs old now.

[@jamesgreen1031]

I'm glad you all are awakening. I believe in the entire bible (KJV). Answer the first question you must know. Who am I? I pray Abba Yah open your eyes. Take care.

[@cgiii65]

Just one more example of the sexual repression practiced by JW and quite frankly many others. The "deadly" sin of pornea is telling when compared to something like drunkenness gluttony. Most of us at some point reach a biological time when the sexual nature of human beings is awakened and eventually practiced. Sex is normal widely considered within religious communities and secular to be in bounds under certain circumstances. Whereas it can be argued that the choice to be a drunk or a glutton is not something most people choose to be and nor is there some biological clock that clicks in at a certain age to engage in such things. These are more or less governed by choices as opposed to biology. Therefore, why is such gravity shown toward something as natural and even vital as human sexuality, over things like being drunk or a glutton? Why the leeway given on things that require more choice than having a sex drive? So kooky and inexplicable.

[@RandomPerson-js3rc]

Hey Camron the camera adds 10 pounds! 😄

[@jamesthomas1753]

serious sins are the ones that haunt you, that you relive over and over

[@cantmakethisup36]

Oh and if you were a victim of child abuse and come forward as an adult there's no loopholes your judged for "your sexual sins"

[@whipmyfro]

How come no KZbin notification?

[@exjwfifth9838]

N.A. B. I have no idea, you're subscribed?

[@whipmyfro]

Fifth -yes, I am. I see you have 2 new vids but I didn't get any notifications. Just randomly checked your channel and saw them. Oh well, at least I'm getting caught up...

[@exjwfifth9838]

N.A. B. That's really weird. I'll try to look into that and figure out why. You've probably checked to make sure your KZbin notifications are enabled but I'll see what might be up on my side. Thanks for subscribing/watching all the same

[@whipmyfro]

Fifth - No prob. I suspect others may be having the same issue. Great channel by the way (& love the collabs too!)

[@exjwfifth9838]

N.A. B. Thank you :-) I would like to do more collabos for sure

[@jameshigginbottom632]

I’m not a JW and never be one. With that being said I do go to the Hall with her. I have seen many elders who are obese. One of the elders talks about food. It’s not just elders that I’ve noticed being obese.

[@evacuadrado3125]

Y si ese pecado es la pulsión de ser un pederasta ? Seguiría teniendo esa perdona esos deseos asquerosos y poder llegar a ser anciano y violar a un niño? Es injusta la discriminación por no tener el poder ni la información 😔

[@cassandramackie4994]

I enjoyed it, but the Governing Body being large may not have anything with gluttony. Otherwise thanks

[@burbingberries6917]

Every bethelite, world over, would be in front of a judicial committee if it was a one time thing with being a drunkard.

[@gabriellara1764]

You know I have been to many AA meetings before and after being a JW for 3/4 of a yr. I followed my own style of drunkenness then my dfed father who was DFed over 40 yrs ago. Everything that happens and is called alcoholics anonymous, to this day I see one with people I don't know and I know from meetings, I don't go up to them and tell them if they are still in AA. The fact is if you people claim they are not Christians, Why many who claimed to have become Christians after leaving them, Don't act like Christains? and not lie or still.

[@cantmakethisup36]

Their over weight while having a restriction on weight for overseers and even overseers in training. Just a thought for some weight is medical or stress related.

[@Jack-lw5oo]

Excllence🙌🏿

[@TonyExumJr]

smh....I am shocked.

[@dyshondafowler9989]

Tony Exum, Jr. That's why they don't tell you this when they study with you. If you want to know more about it you have to be in the club or know somebody that was in the club. That's why they demand JW's not to to any website but JW.org because if you watch them you will start doubting or questioning the organization. That in itself is a marking or DF offense.

[@TonyExumJr]

I was raised a witness and I am closest to that part of my family...thats why I am like whoaaaa....never knew that....how much of that is actually scriptual....smh

[@aprylmasdeu1214]

Oh so now they require confessions? Sounds like church but priest don’t judge or tell ur confessions.

[@maxmax643]

One thing I found absolutely ridiculous and stupid is the whole supernatural powers movies thing. So I can't watch Lord of the Rings or any serious fantasy movie for the matter that involves "magic" or aka supernatural powers. An elder talked about how a bunch of brothers got in trouble in wallkill bethel multiple times with different groups of brothers getting together for watching those movies and The Hobbit because of their demonic influence because "magic" and have supposedly said from the platform that LOTR movies are a no no. YET its okay to go and watch The Avengers with SCARLET WITCH who has "magical witch" powers, THOR a real Nordic pagan god that people killed to in the times of Vikings in his name and that people actually still worship to this day, and soon they'll all be watching the new Avengers with Dr. Strange who is the master sorcerer. Its okay to watch all those super hero movies with direct influence of a character using witch magic powers and an actual pagan god and sorcery and supernatural powers, but its somehow okay to write off certain movies like LOTR because it has a much smaller crowd of people who watch it than super hero movies so its easier to control or something? Stuff like this makes absolutely no sense what so ever. More and more hypocrisy. I wonder what people in my hall would think of me if I said those were my favorite movies. Probably would complain to an elder and then I'll be in the back room with 2 of them telling me that someone was triggered that I like those movies and why I shouldn't. Then I'll say to that elder why do you watch superhero movies with violent magical pagan characters with supernatural powers? See how dumb and hypocritical that is. And literally every elder in my hall watches them and our CO. Even the oldest of the oldest ones. Once a group of us were out to see Avengers and the elder in our hall who's looked up to and is considered strict and strong spiritually and does the watchtower study all the time we see him and his wife walking out. It was hilarious because he's old and his wife is too and everyone is like "is that brother ___" And clearly it was when he greets us and leaves. And he did so in a hurry and seemingly embarrassed too as if he didn't want to be seen and say anything. And when he's gone someone in the group says "well now we know its okay to see Avengers" and they're all laughing and whatever. And if a witness read this they'd say its apostate lies and the whole routine bit. But whatever I will hopefully soon be out of this corrupt organization.

[@maxmax643]

And sorry for the story but man, this organization has made me severely depressed for many years

[@biffbrady6848]

Well you're free to watch all the demonic movies you want to now.. And while your at it, why don't you go and join a Satanic Church and celebrate Halloween too. Oh and throw in a good ole Quija board and Tarot cards while you're at it... LOLLLLLL

[@Grazisig]

What does mean? The most important knowledge that one can acquire is about God himself. “The knowledge of the Most Holy One is what understanding is,” said Proverbs 9:10. This knowledge goes beyond the mere fact of God’s existence and his creatorship, even beyond the knowledge of many facts about his dealings. To “know” him denotes a deep appreciation of his fine qualities and his great name, and a close relationship with him, because God knows what we don't know! Jesus Christ said to Jews who had knowledge about God: “No one fully knows the Son but the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father but the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.” said Mathew 11:27. A knowledge of Jehovah’s qualities will deepen one’s proper fear of God, and it will bring the realization that Jehovah is deserving of all worship and service and that to know and obey him is the way of life. “The fear of Jehovah is a well of life, to turn away from the snares of death,” and, “The fear of Jehovah tends toward life.” as is at Proverbs 14:27 and Proverbs 19:23. I'm going ahead following the steps of Jesus Christ!

[@shonaford9032]

So you are blessed if you keep quiet as shown by your progress to a privileged position. Holy Spirit used to get you there. This only works if you’re a man though (unless you’re an elder’s wife) Such a boys club - if you make elder you’re protected maybe because you have more info on how the organisation works

[@jamesthomas1753]

the 4 lowest thoughts are food sex and wanting riches and

[@ATeaNTea]

They strict Tell Cander they super strict

[@mbtofnj9180]

sorry to disagree but sin is sin but there are sins that are more grievous. killing is killing but as the city of refuge would testifya provision is made for the offense.

[@exjwfifth9838]

mbt of nj that's true, but that is directly outlined in the Bible. What we are highlighting are how the watchtower has different rules and standards for different sins even though the Bible puts them in the same category. 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. The Bible here makes no distinction between thieves, sexual immorality and drunkenness for example, however the watchtower has decided that when classifying serious sin, certain things are considered more serious than others.

[@GabrielaCruz-jo4ek]

proverbs 13:20..God is ready to forgive if u repent..some ppl from the bible have committed worst sins and yet jehova forgive them he only knows if u really are repent..everyone can change Efesions 4:24

[@enowdemuller4449]

reproving somebody doesn,t essentially means stripping of all his privileges. he could lose of of his privileges and still retains some., with time as the person improves his , he has a big possibility of regaining what he formerly lost

[@gabriellara1764]

I am dfed been 15 yrs, Let me ask you If that is a some kind of secret book for elders and only elders. Many become elders and elders have been dfed or removed from responsibility. It seems what the dfed elder says or does when dfed living outside of the congregation does not prevent them to dfed them. On the other hand both of you just claimed stealing is wrong but some of you encourage people to basically steal those books. Where many elders dfed or removed still. don't pass the information. It looks to me if Jesus will expose every perfectly concealed secret, My problem is Jesus exposing you? By the way fat = gluttony? Many Christians in the first century were Greek, Greeks were known for.drinking and eating till they passed out. It seems you would have had a problem in the first century with them. In scripture gluttony and drinking are are mostly associated with each other. Do you have the insight books?

[@jamesthomas1753]

even noah was considered by god and he was a drunk