His white lie almost DOOMED the rebellion

[@ryanbwags]

Can we take a second to appreciate how awesome Vader looks at the beginning of Jedi. The darkest black, the super reflective, extra shiny helmet, he just looks the best in this scene than the whole rest of the trilogy.

[@RPWStudios]

Indeed.

[@rttoonist4275]

Well, the helmet was polished with woodoo hide to distract the emperor from it's various defects...

[@dalethelander3781]

Gotta love Armor All.

[@gumdeo]

Of course Vader wanted to look as good as possible when meeting Moff Jerjerrod.

[@G1NZOU]

The budget was definitely a lot better and the costume department did a fantastic job.

[@robr177]

He absolutely did not lie to Vader. He genuinely wanted to double their efforts. Also, the idea to build the gun first and the rest around it makes sense. The first Death Star began construction before they had all the details worked out for the gun, and before they had all the crystals to power it. But, when they started the second one, they knew how to make the gun, so they made that first, and the rest was relatively easy. It's just logical (sorry, wrong franchise).

[@schwarzerritter5724]

It is a lie if he can not really double their efforts.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@schwarzerritter5724he didn’t, he changed the schedule around to focus on the offense and rely exclusively on the shields: those weren’t his job as they were already in operation and under someone else’s command

[@darthkek1953]

Precisely. He was NOT lying when he said he would redouble their efforts. All that means is you're going to work harder. What is this video suggesting? That he was only working as-hard or less-hard? With Vader literally stomping over the place?

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@darthkek1953 what he said was they focused on finishing the laser before anything else instead of continuing to work on the major structural portions of the unfinished 1/4th to 1/3rd of the Death Star. that didn’t require doubling efforts m just redoing the schedule

[@darthkek1953]

@@bostonrailfan2427 I am sure he would do both. First, focus on the operational aspect. Second, increase shift hours and decrease off time. Third, let them know Vader is chomping for them so they will work extra hard each day. You think he'd be only "switch focus boys, nothing else to worry about."

[@TeslaTitan]

I have a very different interpretation of this scene. Why are Vader and Jerrjerrod having this very sensitive conversation in the open, in front of all of those imperial troopers and who knows who else listening in? Because they KNEW that there were Bothan spies aboard. The conversation is performative, designed to “leak” false information to the spies to lure the rebels into the trap that had always been planned.

[@solomonmckay3126]

Interesting interpretation.

[@Benjanuva]

This was my thought as well.

[@DogeickBateman]

Bothans are distinctly non-human, but if there were secondary agents among the ranks, yes

[@josepablolunasanchez1283]

Such delicate topics are more appropriate for a briefing room in private. Vader definitely wanted all troops to talk about it. He also wanted movie goer bothan spies to be deceived too.

[@TeslaTitan]

@@josepablolunasanchez1283 haha yeah success there eh!

[@Wild-Card07]

He didn’t lie to Vader, he did, in fact double their efforts, even took Vader on a tour of the station to inflict fear upon the workers so they would work harder. When Vader was still displeased, he went to his quarters, pondering on what to do. That’s when he realized that the Emperor simply wanted the laser operational and to use the unfinished look of the station to lure the rebels. The way all this information was available was in the Return of the Jedi’s 40th anniversary book, “From a Certain Point of View”

[@VolkovVelikan]

Jerjerrod was actually a competent imperial officer, like Piet, Veers, and thrawn

[@thepbg8453]

Piet wasn’t super competent. Though that’s not apparent in the movies. Legends and Disney cannon go over that he was a semi competent person absolutely terrified that he got promoted by Vader, as he would likely be killed by him on a simple slip up.

[@TexasTimeLord]

So competent that he did nothing to fix the fatal flaw in the planet destroyer's design

[@severstal2466]

@@thepbg8453 Piett's wife : How was your day at work ? Piett : A bit sh*t , i got promoted to an admiral . Piett's wife thinking : Good , soon i'll inherit all that's on that bank account 😁

[@z3r0_35]

@@thepbg8453 Piet was a decent admiral - not on Thrawn's level, but decent. He was just really good at playing politics to make sure other people got force choked instead of him...until it came time for his promotion to Admiral. The only reasons he survived TESB are that the Millenium Falcon escaping legitimately wasn't his fault, and Vader was...well, a bit preoccupied.

[@nickmhc]

Would add Pellaeon to this list

[@jameslewis2635]

To me Jerjerrod seems like one of those few members of the Imperial upper ranks who was not totally evil. Was he ruthless, sure. Was he willing to use slave labor, yes. However he was not at all keen to commit to the murder of his own troops which shows that he had at least some compassion as does his sympathy with Vader (however misplaced that was).

[@barnaby-i9r]

yeah nazi's used slave labor too and thought they weren't being too evil as well

[@nicholashodges201]

@@barnaby-i9r that was said like it was said by someone who would be marching others into the showers. The Stanford Prison Experiment shows just how quickly and easily "normal" people acclimatize to inflicting evil on their fellows. By otherizing the Germans of the Third Reich who *weren't* Nazis in a position that revealed the totality of what was happening is the same as pretending you don't have that same seed of willful ignorance and willingness to throw your fellow man into an oven "BeCaUsE rEaSoNs", which in turn almost guarantees that you would be among the ones saying you were "JuSt FoLlOwInG oRdErS" at the tribunals after the camps are found.

[@darthkek1953]

@@barnaby-i9r So did the Arabs. Iranians. Native Americans. Maori. Aboriginals. Indians, as in India. Indians, as in America. American Tribes north to South. Etc. etc. etc. Everyone thought it was normal.

[@MDE_never_dies]

@@barnaby-i9r Non-white people owned slaves too, and still do. Bet you didn't known that, now you do. I just blew your mind didn't I?

[@90skidcultist]

He was evil. Using slave labor makes you evil, & he willingly works for the Empire…

[@52flyingbicycles]

Inverting the construction timeline to complete the laser first was genius. Leaving such a small battalion on the surface to defend the shield was not

[@DrumFuckerFr]

I guess the Empire didn't expect the Ewoks to join in.

[@jaydeleon8094]

considering they likely did not know of the Ewoks, who despite being memes and seemingly just teddy bears, are actually small fast moving wookies. and yes, they are canonically as strong as wookies.

[@perfectionbox]

Hmmm I don't think Jerjerrod could have lied. In the novel, it's written that "lies sang out to Darth Vader." He knew when people were lying to him.

[@RaddSpencer]

I mean, he didn't actually lie, which makes the premise of the video somewhat confusing. Vader told him to complete the station and Jerjerrod told him they'd do their best. And they did. Where is the lie?

[@bostonrailfan2427]

unsure is different than a lie, he was unsure if he could do it but if he did then he would live…if he was wrong, then he’s dead no matter what

[@dakat5131]

Doubling the efforts is maybe not possible, but doubling progress towards "operational" status (from a certain point of view) is. Darth Vader's response seems to indicate he's willing to overlook logistical issues, while conveying he knows his boss (Palpatine) won't, and would be more willing to dispose of those he blames for the problems. (When Darth Vader choked a couple guys in OT it was when they made him personally angry, by spoiling his plans and goals or antagonizing him directly)

[@nicholashodges201]

​​​​@@dakat5131 Also there's the fact that Vader thought both DS attempts were idiotic. He really didn't care if it failed or succeeded, beyond him caring that the Emperor cared. He was told to light a fire under Jarjerrod's butt and he did. As far as he was concerned it was a done matter until Scrotumface got antsy about it again. *THEN* things would get "chokie"

[@jokerlugnut749]

Here's a thought. The primary reason the original Death Star was constructed laser last, was a result of them needing to figure out the proper power and focusing methods for the weapon. With the second, they already had that figured out, and probably a basic scan would prove the exhaust vent pointless. Moot point, though. If the second Death Star had lasted any longer, IG 88 (I think) was already taking control of its systems. It's a whole thing. That would have been a nightmare even the Vong would run from!

[@z3r0_35]

IG-88, for all intents and purposes, WAS the Death Star II, having uploaded its personality into the primary computer servers.

[@sidoniasknight]

They also had to kill all the jedi first before they could make the laser because the stuff they needed to fire it belonged to the jedi.

[@EligibleBubble]

Wait am I missing something with IG-88 or was that an Empire at War reference? Genuine question. I remember the Vong but not him

[@z3r0_35]

@@EligibleBubble Read "Tales of the Bounty Hunters", specifically the section called "I Think, Therefore I Am". It's the story of IG-88 from his activation to the Battle of Endor.

[@EligibleBubble]

@@z3r0_35 thank you!

[@rickmaurer8726]

Seems to me the scene is meant to be ambiguous for the audience's sake. We think they are referring to the entire battlestation being complete on schedule but obviously it is not from its outer appearance. Jer assures Vader everything will be fine but when pressed he asks for more help and in typical fashion Vader threatens. Then the shoe falls Vader reveals the Emperor is coming to the station. To me, Jer's only orders were to see the Death Star's cannon was operational by a certain date. He had no clue why it was vitally important nor the possibility of an upcoming Rebel attack.

[@ottersirotten4290]

He was a genuine Imperial. Thats it, no deeper Meaning or anything, just a Man who honestly believed in the Couse.

[@Golems_victory]

Couse? You mean cause? XD TYPO MY BROTHER ☺️❤️😂

[@ottersirotten4290]

@@Golems_victory Ahhhh shame on me :D

[@damiensorresso5426]

This is a big over-reading. The plan to lure in the Rebel fleet almost certainly pre-dated the opening scene of RotJ; in fact that was probably the reason the Emperor was so pissed off about the station being behind schedule -- the existence and location of the second Death Star had already been leaked to the "many Bothans", so the clock was ticking to make sure the super laser would be operational in time for the Rebel attack. Hell, it's doubtful Jerjerrod even knew of that plan at the time -- if he did, he wouldn't have needed any extra incentive to get the job done; he'd be motivated purely by self-defense. It makes much more sense if he simply doesn't understand why there's so much sudden schedule pressure and just tells Vader what he wants to hear.

[@dastardly740]

I agree. The hypothesis in the video ignores the Emperor's foresight. Presumably, the Emperor had foreseen up to the point where it looked like the Rebels were being decimated by the Death Star and imperial fleet. And, at least some events were shrouded from the Emporer's sight, so he did not see Vader's betrayal or the captured rebels escaping due to Ewoks. The plan was always to be operational, but not complete.

[@lordrevan571]

@@dastardly740 It's a little more complicated than that in the lore. The Emperor actually didn't see this end, nor this battle, he just knew the end of the Rebellion was soon upon him. (Which would later be the end of the Rebellion to its formation as the New Republic, funny how fate works like that) The Death Star 2 was not ready, it was moving around a lot for construction but putting it on Endor was simply one phase of it, not the final nor even close to it. The Empire picked Endor for a number of reasons. It's location made it easier for them to move supplies there quietly without notice, move ships in and out without real notice or care from Alliance spies. Furthemore it also allowed them to pick the field, persay. They knew the closest alliance world was Sullest, that's where they would most likely amass. The Alliance tried to twist this and move ships around all over, but the Empire picked the battle field and drew the lines before the Alliance figured it out, it's classic strategy. The "Many Bothans" were Bothans that snuck into the Death Star 2 and got fucking pounded by not only Vader but the 501st on station, they got out, were allowed to escape, with the detailed plans of the Endor base and Station. Funny how this plan also didn't include the fleet deployments or garrison, at all (even in the books it's never mentioned if they knew of any garrison at all, they just went in assuming there would be something, great spies)

[@cameronpark7131]

He didn't lie. He genuinely meant everything he said.

[@johnharris6655]

Once Vader killed the Emperor, the tide of Battle changed. Almost as if the Emperor was using the force to conduct the Imperial forces like an orchestra.

[@freedomdude5420]

Star wars fans as a name for that battle meditation, it is a force ability. Look it up

[@johnharris6655]

@@freedomdude5420 Yes I know, it also happened in Rise of Skywalker when Rey Killed Palpatine, again. This movie should have been called Return of the Clones, part 2, the Rise of Palpatine.

[@TheShadowForgeStudio]

Heir to the Empire (Legends) took it a step further and made it seem like the Emperor was influencing the entire imperial navy and military, and likely the governing authorities as well, hence why the whole thing collapsed when he died rather than a concentrated all out attack on the Rebel leadership while it was celebrating on Ensor.

[@johnharris6655]

@@TheShadowForgeStudio Great Series, should have used those for Episodes 7-9

[@cmbbfan78]

@@johnharris6655 Sure, but it is not SW lore, just Disney woke garbage. :)

[@mikeburkhart8336]

In the novels,it was Prince Xizor,the head of the Black Sun criminal organization that suggested to the Emperor to lure the Rebellion in with false information about the second Death Star.

[@StarFlame_228]

Jerjerrod’s character was actually really interesting. It’s a shame his scenes were cut.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

he didn’t actually lie, he didn’t know if he was going to be able to do it in time…he tried and did do it, but could have easily been wrong and everything was a failure and he isn’t to blame for the loss: it was due to not strengthening the defense on the moon! had they been increased then they would not have lost the shields and thus exposed the core

[@Lorekeeper72]

Funnily enough, at least in Legends, Palpatine was warned about that risk before Hoth but felt that his trap was too perfectly constructed for the Rebels to overcome it. The subordinate who warned him even suggested that the Ewoks could be used to unexpected effect if the Rebels somehow managed to win them over. As usual, Thrawn was right but the Empire didn't listen.

[@PxThucydides]

That line "the Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" got a terrific laugh in the theatre when this first came out.

[@gelozyg1732]

Theatre? Damn bro how old are you

[@mannydavis7708]

@@gelozyg1732 Well, I'm old enough to have watched a movie called "Star Wars" (no Episode IV A New Hope back then) in a theatre. And I remember the laughs at this line as well. Just like all the gasps at the "I am your father line." They were movies made for a more civilised age. Before the dark times. Before the Disney.

[@ddm_gamer]

@@gelozyg1732 What else do you wanna call it?

[@gelozyg1732]

@@mannydavis7708 damn both you and @bascilmcdonnel9807 are ancient. I watched and remembered Episode III in theater when I was around 6 years old.

[@gelozyg1732]

@@ddm_gamer I’m referring to the fact that a person who watched episode 4 or “the first star wars movie” in theaters are old af.

[@statesrights01]

The layers of SW (1-6) are just so interesting. I was at the library one day and SW was the subject, I had made mention that.. "The thing about SW is it has a deep history to it." Obi-Wan said "For a thousand generations.." This is where SW gets to it's fans, we see the Jedi and the Sith.. but there is SO much more than just a few folks running about with glow sticks. Thanks for the vid, really enjoyed. :D

[@StarWarsSublight]

Absolutely - and that’s what Star Wars Sublight is all about! Going a little deeper on the detail for fans like us. Glad you liked the vid 👍🏼

[@mattcoyle1620]

Which is why I think so many fans are vexed by the Sequel Trilogy (e.g. "somehow, Palpatine returned".)

[@Tjp7624]

And I love how we are just thrown right into it! Mentioning of places and event like duh dont you know? And us fans have to fill in the blank and read novels etc. love it

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@mattcoyle1620no, they just like being whiny spoiled brats

[@ImpendingJoker]

This isn't at all true, as in what is now "Legends" the Emperor cloned himself, as well a Luke, called "Luuke" in the books from his recovered right hand from Bespin. So fans weren't vexed because the Emperor returned, they were vexed because the sequel movies are total crap.@@mattcoyle1620

[@aaronbaird2000]

Lets ask a real question? Why would the empire build a new Death Star in some backwater outside of the safety of its inner territory with full manufacturing capabilities and fleet support?

[@StarWarsSublight]

Great point. Maybe it would make more sense if they were mining Endor or using Ewok labor - they are pretty resourceful.

[@MusikCassette]

so the rebellions would attack. If the build it close to Coruscant the rebels would likely not have come.

[@laahocsm0019]

Likely either they wanted to lure the rebels into a trap or, alternatively, wanted the construction to be a secret. If they were to start building it in Courescant, it would likely be in constant danger of attacks the moment construction began let alone when its almost finished. That's also considering that such a well-defended and populated system is ripe for small teams of saboteurs.

[@BenMan8881]

It's because it was supposed to be this big secret. The core worlds have a ton of traffic, Imperial, civilian, and rebel spy. Put the Death Star there, and the Rebel Alliance was bound to discover it before it was finished. A planet that's out of the way, hard to reach, and no reason to get near is a much better place for a secret military production project. It's the reason why Area 51 is in such a remote location. It's in the middle of a desert. Who knows what's really inside that base, but because it is in such a remote location, it would be much easier to build advanced weapons there, if that was the goal of Area 51.

[@MusikCassette]

@@BenMan8881 well it is supposed to look like a secret.

[@siatelecomsltdLondon]

And here I was thinking that it was the emperor's idea to use the unfinished death star as bait. 😮😢

[@richardstarkey2247]

The boss always takes credit for their subordinates ideas.

[@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462]

It was Xizor.

[@owlsayssouth]

Yes it was the emperor who greenlit the plan and set up the incident to leak the information to the bothans.. he also chose to be there himself as further bait. The rebels couldn't resist the chance.

[@siatelecomsltdLondon]

@@owlsayssouth I fully understand the situation now, thanks! 👍👍

[@thomasgilbert2266]

Man imagine for a moment what thrawn general veers and jerjerrod could have collaborated on the trap the rebels would have been done. Ewoks wouldn’t have been sh1..t

[@z3r0_35]

General Veers was supposed to be in Episode 6 as well, but his appearance got cut for some reason.

[@DrumFuckerFr]

Totally. Thrawn would have studied Endor's biosphere, understood the Ewoks, and use that intelligence as an advantage.

[@Locahaskatexu]

...which canonic sources do you use here? As far as I know the idea of the trap came from prince Xizor of Black Sun, and the trap was set months before when the Rebels got the computer with the plans by raiding the freighter 'Suprosa' on a tip from an anonymous source, which was actually also Xizor, playing both sides. The whole thing is chronicled in the 'Shadows of the Empire' series of comics.

[@owlsayssouth]

It's probably some new Disney tier stuff. Which is stupid. It forgets the involvement of the bothans. It also like so much of Disney tier canon makes it seem like stuff happens in an instant. Ignoring the time needed to prepare and plan an attack like endor, let alone the intelligence analysis.

[@doqas]

You guys need to watch Clerks, especially that scene about the Empire using private contractors to help finish the Death Star. Very funny.

[@perfectionbox]

In the novel, it's written that "Jerjerrod says "we shall double our efforts", and he meant it. For don't even great men hurry, in times of great need?" So it sounds he was being genuine.

[@josepablolunasanchez1283]

He feared Vader, not having an unfinished station.

[@willesnille]

Fan of original Star Wars but checked out from Disney Star Wars. From what show/movie is the footage of the construction of the Death Star?

[@macgyver3434]

No, he didn't lie. He scrambled and got it done in time.

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

Good to know that the Geo bugs still survived in a very weakened state.

[@startiger2]

No, doesn't work with the timeline and dialogue as presented in RotJ. Jerjerrod states "This station will be operational AS PLANNED."[emphasis added] This indicated that he already knows the timeline for the Emperor's plan. He may now know the details, but he obviously knows what needs done and when it needs done by. That much is clear. Vader's question is if he will be able to make it. They both already know what is expected. Jerjerrod asking for more men is to bring up the time line so that they are sure it will be ready with time to spare and not be taking it down to the last minute. Also, just because the 1st death star finished the superlaser last does not mean that was the case with #2. We can see when Vader approaches Death Star that the superlaser is already complete or nearly complete. The main dish is already installed, unlike how we see it being fitted in Rogue One. So the major construction is already complete. At that point, it will be the final connections, fine tuning, and the startup process left to do. You can't just decide to just up and finish such a large construction effort on a dime. The only thing that Jerjerrod could do is to streamline the commissioning process. Maybe skip some of the startup testing, speeding up the final stages of the process. But he would not be able to do a major pivot in construction like this video claimed. While we never see the super laser used as full power on screen, you could make the argument that it is not fully functioning and they are only doing low power, signal reactor shots since that is enough to destroy a capitol ship. However, there is the deleted scene where the Emperor orders the station to destroy Endor and it is only due to Jerjerrod's hesitation at the critacle moment that Endor is spared. So both the Emperor and Jerjerrod knew it was capable of full power operation. The one way I could see this working is Jerjerrod deciding to use the fist couple of low power shots as part of the testing procedure to test and finalize the superlaser calibration

[@smeg5935]

According to Disney they could just fly a starship into it at light speed..job done

[@CheeseDanish85]

Don't you love the can of worms that opened up?

[@rogerwennstrom6677]

On the other hand: if Jerjerrod hadn't focused so hard on getting the laser to work, perhaps they could've finished more of the shell (or the inner structures or the defence around the core itself) and made it impossible to destroy by simply flying into the substructure and attack the core at point blank range.

[@chrissimpson1183]

Vader did not use force lighting because he did not know how....

[@johnharris6655]

He had no hands to wield it.

[@asumazilla]

@@johnharris6655 His lightening just shorted out across his own body due to his metal hands.

[@antonius9]

A thought crossed my mind when I recently saw Return of the Jedi, when Jerjerrod said: "I need more men". He could've used Stormtroopers to help. There are millions of them.

[@lucasmarcum]

I used to think this, but now I see it differently- you wouldn't use police officers to build a skyscraper, or dig a subway tunnel. They aren't the right guys for the job.

[@jeko72]

@@lucasmarcum yeah it’s a planet sized military base they need the storm troopers for security inside and outside

[@ghostman5620]

Bevel Lemelisk is now a passed breeze.

[@StarWarsSublight]

Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time… A long time.

[@SaigonBrit]

Why is Moff Jerjerrod referred to as 'Commander' a very lowly rank for the CO of the Death Star 2. Surely he would be at least a Vice-Admiral/Admiral along with his political rank of Moff.

[@bachelorchownowwithflavor3712]

Canonically, Vader probably saw Jerjerrod as an expendable tool. Why bother using his rank or even knowing what it is? Realistically, it was probably a writing oversight by George Lucas.

[@SaigonBrit]

@@bachelorchownowwithflavor3712 Agree with the latter assessment. An oversight. The CO of the new Death Star albeit only a regular sector Moff as opposed to Tarkin's 'Grand Moff' (also Tarkin was de facto Palpatines' military right hand which is why he created the exalted rank) would at the very least be a flag officer on par with an Imperial Navy Vice-Admiral or similar. A commander would be the XO of a Star Destroyer reporting into a captain.

[@LandonOakley-d9c]

It was vader just being condescending

[@mannydavis7708]

I think it is just a title, regardless of actual rank. You command people, you're a commander. "Commander, tear this ship apart until you find those plans" - "See to it personally, Commander" (to a different person) - "Dangerous to your Star Fleet Commander, but not to this battle station." Just like a Lieutenant can be a designated a ships captain. Called captain but not the actual rank.

[@mannydavis7708]

@@SaigonBrit The most likely explanation is that Lucas wrote what he thought sounded good and didn't realise that people would be obsessing over minutia decades on.

[@RayHardman7567]

There's a fanfic of when jerjerrod gets assigned to the DS2. He looks over the supply chains and how the construction is going, and figures if he changes anything to make it more efficient, it would take at least a couple years to set up new secret supply chains and routes, and it would push the completion deadline back a few years. So he makes the executive decision, like everyone else under his command working on the project, to push all the problems to the higher ups or ignore them all together. It's a compelling story. Minor spelling and grammar errors, but otherwise a good story.

[@IoEstasCedonta]

You know, that scene always did seem a bit out of place, since nothing really comes of it, and we go immediately from there to what's essentially an unrelated half-hour short. As an explanation for why the weapons were up and running so early into the Death Star's construction it makes sense.

[@tomb7942]

OR, he made his men work faster/longer to get the station "completed as planned" which wasn't his idea at all but the Emperor's.

[@youknowho4439]

Death Star History: Geonosian Engineers design plans. Construction is overseen by the Galactic Empire at Despayre. Wookies are taken from Kashyyyk to work as slaves in the construction effort at Desparye. The Death Star is discovered by Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and Garm Bel Iblis; founders of the Rebel Alliance. Desparye is destroyed by the Death Star's superlaser, and the Rebels hire Kyle Katarn to collect schematics of the battle station to find a weakness. The Battle of Toprawa ends with Princess Leia receiving a technical readout of the plans. Death Star is destroyed.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

Or maybe it was all theatre for any rebel spies they assumed where watching to ENSURE the rebels would think the main weapon was not working yet.

[@CinemaDemocratica]

My all-time favorite piece of gossip about Darth Vader is that when he goes to the canteen, he still needs a tray.

[@privatename5788]

The superlaser is clearly fully installed in the very first shot.

[@owlsayssouth]

Because the plan the whole time was to use the super laser in the trap. It just wasn't ready in time, thus Vader sent to motivate them to be ready. Why do they have a set timeline? Because the rebels were allowed to discover the location and Time of the emperor visiting the incomplete station. The emperor himself was part of the bait.

[@slewone4905]

I was told that Darth vader even had his fifth limb burnt out, but Emperor Palapatine cheaped out on the prosthetic, and just have a catherter take care of what is necessary. And Darth Vader totally went full Sith, out of frustration, that even if Padme was alive, he couldn't do anything.

[@darthkek1953]

I'd be angry too if I could not fidget with my midget digit.

[@janedoe4586]

from what is the footage in the outro? can't remember it in any SW Film / Show

[@btdw-mikecooper3961]

Darth vader lightsaber is not the only thing that has a botton to adjust the size

[@Nightscream72]

How does flipping the construction to focus on the laser constitute a "lie"? What lie?

[@StarWarsSublight]

Do you think Jerjerrod is a genius?

[@cz1589]

The skin of a sissy but the core of a bad-ass *****

[@arcdecibel9986]

Assuming it played out like you describe, and he was in control of nothing else, yes. If not. No, he and everyone involved were idiots. The first Death Star was destroyed by a nearly impossible shot down a small thermal exhaust port, so this time they were like "Let's make the hole big enough for a small freighter."

[@Stussmeister]

I'd say in terms of making the Rebel Alliance aware of the Death Star II's existence and having them think it was unfinished when in fact it was operational, yes, Moff Jerjerrod is a genius. It's also worth noting that Jerjerrod's mindset is similar to PIett's, as he is deferential to Vader in most aspects, and while he's technically in charge of the battle station, he's hesitant to use it on a populated area (unlike Tarkin) and doesn't want its power for his own ends (unlike Motti). His increased efforts to have the Death Star operational by the time of the Emperor's arrival wasn't necessarily borne of a desire to crush the Rebellion as much as it was to keep himself and his crew safe from Sidious and Vader's wrath.

[@sarkastodon30]

Dude just gave an awesome backstory to a minor character. More depth in this than the entire sequel saga.

[@Qwentar]

There's one problem with your narrative. The primary laser assembly was already assembled and installed when Vader arrives at the beginning of the film.

[@drachefly]

I expect it wasn't fully operational. Just because the pieces large enough to see from 10000 km away are all there doesn't mean it's ready to use. But yeah, 'flipping the order' was already done.

[@albdamned577]

He was my favorite admiral for the imperials in Star Wars rebellion.

[@Canthatcrazy]

I've just got an exercise bike. I watch an hour of Star Wars a day, while I do a 20 mile ride. I've just done Ep 1-6. FANS!!!! if you want to feel the joy of Star Wars, like it's all new and for the first time, WATCH IT WHILE YOU WORKOUT!!!! the adrenaline makes is so exciting. I was literally screaming for Luke in the saber fights, and got goosebumps at "i, am your father". Try it. I promise you'll not be disappointed

[@heathb4319]

Could you cover the Tag and Bink storyline pleeeease.

[@StarWarsSublight]

That’s a great idea. Cheers

[@heathb4319]

@@StarWarsSublight ...this video here was the first i have seen of yours and im not sure why but the way you go into things it made me think...I would like to hear this guys take on Tag & Bink. Just thought it would be awesome.

[@erictaylor5462]

Wasn't the second Death Star twice the size of the first?

[@neimenovani7256]

200 IQ play by Moff Gug idk how to spell that

[@Dwayne_LaFontant]

Fun fact: death Vader has a rubber duck in his bacta tank.

[@Dwayne_LaFontant]

Or that was Gerald said.

[@world8one]

In Shadows of the Empire they implied that it was Xizor who leaked the information with the Emporers blessing. Though the trap was the Bothan Missile incident. Obviously this was all legends content.

[@jeffreywhitlock4882]

Good acting when Vader told him the Emperor was not as forgiving as he was.

[@kylelantan9220]

I think if you are going to try to make sense of the story, you can't mix Disney's versions with the original stuff. Assuming the last step of the original Death Star was the laser just because of a scene of it being put in like that is also a potential error. The laser could have been built first and just been undergoing some sort of maintenance or upgrade cycle. I find Disney trying to work in this Kyber crystal being integral to the Death Star nonsense annoying, to be honest.

[@thewewguy8t88]

In the legends shadows of the Empire explains that it was actually the Emperor and crime lord who wanted to replace darth Vader as the 2nd most powerful person in the galaxy who came up with the plan to use the death star as bait.

[@airwarorg]

I've been watching your channel as a subscriber for the past year, and I am displeased with your apparent lack of progress.

[@StarWarsSublight]

Shall I double my efforts? 🫡

[@airwarorg]

@@StarWarsSublight The KZbin algorithm does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation

[@richardbradley2335]

How did the gensosians build and design that when there planet was a backward dump ????

[@roycesilvester6020]

You can see the laser dish already installed in the opening of RotJ.

[@nemofunf9862]

"Somehow the Death Star returned"

[@shackti1699]

Hes my favorite Moff.

[@ramonruijgt4532]

As lego star wars was my first time knowing star wars. I think the second death star is them fixing up whats left of the first one.

[@eddherring4972]

Jerjerood was as dismissive of Vader as he possibly could be, whilst being clever enough not to criticise him openly. Look at the arrival of Vader on the Death Star, he’s received into a tiny hanger with a Tie Bomber in the corner. He thinks he can bargain with Vader and is only concerned when the Emperor comes because he knows that there is no compromise there. Look at the scenes which were cut, this man is delighted to tell Vader that he cannot see the Emperor, even though he is forced to choked for his defiance. Jerjerood is a face and consciousness in a sea of black & white faceless Imperial cannon fodder. He is a person who cares about his fellow troopers and officers, his friends. He gets a rough deal because his later scenes were cut due to the fact that they make Vader seem weak within the Empire it is not explained that he is Moff Jerjerood, not as Vader describes just a lowly Commander. He’s up there, near Tarkin but that relationship (Tarkin-Vader) wouldn’t work in this film so he is made to appear like an underling which he is not, he’s the highest ranking non force user, bearing in mind Vader’s role has changed from enforcer in ANH to second in command in ROTJ. Jerjerood, like Admiral Motti was firmly in the “Sorcerer’s ways” camp but all too aware that the force is very real and deadly. Finally, The reason that Jerjerood can “Redouble our efforts” is because he’s a compassionate man, he hasn’t worked his men too hard which is why the progress is slow so cracking the whip for a while will appease Vader and The Emperor is on a completely separate agenda which only Jerjerood and Palpatine are aware of. The Battle-station doesn’t need to be finished, in fact the Emperor is very happy for it to appear to (the rebellion) be non operational so Jerjerood is following the Emperor’s instructions, it’s just Vader who needs to be kept out of the loop. Palpatine can feel the betrayal in Vader and there are moments during the film where that’s quite obvious.

[@richardlahan7068]

Jerjerrod is wearing the insignia of a Navy captain not a Moff.

[@pauldavis6232]

Mistake in ROTJ is every single officer wearing the same insignia. Rewatch it and you will see it.

[@adamb7088]

I think considering the logistics of the whole operation is incredible. Imagine you plan to build a space station the size of the moon some 22 billion cubic km. As the scene shows, you need robots as well as humans working together to create such a monstrosity. But first, you need humans to build first generation robots. Those robots who will build the second generation of robots who help build the station itself. Of course even before that you need the raw material. Even if you could find an asteroid belt or planet(s) that could provide all that material you need humans and robots for those operations as well. Then transporting the subassemblies to the assembly site requires ships and fuel and you need humans and robots for that as well and on and on. It took almost 200 years to build the cathedral of Notre Dame and it took about 30 years to build the Great Pyramid at Giza. With all of these decades long building projects in mind and even with the help of robots, how long would it take to build a space station the size of the moon? I think that if I were an emperor, I would concentrate on finding habitable planets and moons or terraforming nearly habitable planets. Rebels be damned. There's always more space to find more resources since the technology for interstellar travel is available. War is such a waste of time and energy.

[@donaldheisler4322]

Part of the reason Lucas made the prequels is to show how Palpatine has pulled the strings all along. Palpatine purposely made Death Star 2 appear unfinished to cause the Rebels to strike immediately. He also allowed the Rebels to know where Death Star 2 was to make them think they were getting the drop on the empire before it was finished.They even killed a few rebels in the process to make it look like it was a secret they didn't want getting out. He didn't want to just sit around waiting for another possible attack, he wanted to control the situation and draw the Rebels out. I've never believed that Death Star 2 wasn't finished at the moment the Rebels were attacking. Why would Palpatine say the station was " Fully armed and operational" when it wasn't finished? Because it was. Some audience members and even some authors, seem to have missed this point. Death Star 2 was made bigger then the first death star so it could have the same operations but more to one side away from the area that looked unfinished. I also agree with TeslaTitans comment. Also, it was setting up the audience to think that this was the situation. After all, this IS a movie.

[@nivozero8989]

mhh i don't know, when return of the jedi was released, that was what A death star in construction looked like. the DS looks the same in the beginning of ROTJ so clearly the idea was always to have the superlaser operational.

[@docsavage4921]

That guy was a Moff? Why did Vader show more respect to Tarkin?

[@lordterra1377]

The empire is not evil. Its employs millions of humans and keeps the galaxy safe.

[@kipwhite6532]

It is funny that he could lie to Vader, who could sense a lie…

[@optimusrhymz2226]

Did this guy get promoted after fuking up and then having a one on one discussion with Vader?

[@warblerblue]

His white lie almost DOOMED the rebellion...but the Rebellion had plot armor that saved the day.

[@ThatSockmonkey]

I hear that Darth Vader pees in the suit, and also i heard that he has one really long nose hair.

[@johnharris6655]

"Darth Vader is just a gooey white boy pretending to be a hard core black man. You are not a Sith Lord, you are Drake." From the Comedy Central Roast of Darth Vader.

[@RyanGoslingthestonecoldsigma]

Sounds like rebel propaganda to me

[@davidhenderson2504]

Your interpretation that he only started to focus on the disc and the rest of the weapon after the discussion is flawed, since we see the finished disc in the opening shot before the conversation takes place.

[@ditto1958]

Their caps look like the ones the Wehrmacht wore in WWII.

[@nickmitsialis]

oddly enough, the getup Jyn wore when she went out exploring on Eadu (especially cap and the raincloak) looked very Afrika Korp to me, too.

[@thomasblunt3404]

They are closer to Japanese officer caps

[@nickmitsialis]

@@thomasblunt3404 Also yes; Zillions of years ago, a movie critic made the point that Imperial officers all seemed to dress like Japanese Naval officers

[@owlsayssouth]

He is an interesting character. But he didn't come up with the idea to have the laser finished first, or to leak the information to the rebels. The emperor leaked the information of the death star 2 to the rebels months brfore, along with the information that ge himself would be visiting the incomplete station, thus letting the empire have a time for when they needed to be ready by, as tge rebels couldn't resist the opportunity to kill the emperor in a legitimate battle.

[@ogerpinata-nu2th]

The bacta tank mockery is so weird. Why don't they have a bacta tank? Are they too poor? Definitely not. Too stupid then. Everybody is injured from time to time and the healing properties of Bacta should be at hand all the time. They only saw the necessity created by Vaders injuries but not the result (him surviving for years). Simpletons.

[@cmbbfan78]

So, what was the white lie exactly?

[@nasis18]

Good video.

[@greggweber9967]

How would our modern military handle such orders. Milgram Experiment?

[@miriamweller812]

Only reason the rebellion survived is plot armor. You overall should just enjoy Star Wars for what it is, some nice entertainment. If you go beyond that, it really does not make much sense at all.

[@starflame34]

Nah, this doesn't make sense. After Luke and friends destroy Jabba's barge and leave Tatooine, Leah tells Luke to make his trip to Dagobah a short one because the Alliance was already assembling. Unless the conversation between Jerjerrod and Vader took several days or even weeks before we cut to R2 and C-3PO on Tatooine, it doesn't make any sense; the timing just doesn't make any sense. Even when the Rebels do learn of the information, they would still need time to actually plan how the attack is going to work. Think about the shuttle they stole. They stole it specifically for that mission. That's not something you can just do in 5 minutes!

[@1bigdogthe]

Yep, good job

[@moviemaker2011z]

i dont want to sound like an evil person... but i do find myself siding with the empire quite alot. not because of their ideals, but because honestly the galaxy seemed somewhat better off in the empires hand. i mean as long as you didnt support the rebellion and were not a criminal you were practically safe and not a target. now yes the whole slave labor sounds bad, but they also were using war criminals, prisoners, and rebel captures in order to do alot of the work. and the planets they enslaved from what i understand were ones that sided with the jedi during the republic and so to the empire those were ones that could be labeled as traitors., the geonocians however were war criminals for supporting the CIS and building the droids that the CIS used. i am well aware that the empire is evil no doubt about it but i can at least somewhat write off a few of the bad things if you were to think of it like you were raised in their universe. imagine growing up and hearing about how the wookies fought for the republic and suddenly decided to back the so called traitors to the new empire... kinda easy to see how people would be raised to believe those stories and not understand the context behind it especially when the empire is like super socialism on steroids and has absolute control over everything you would learn growing up thus limiting what you would know all your life. just look at the new battlefront 2 game and the characters there. they were die hard empire loyalists and suddenly once they see the truth about how the empire is they all convert to the rebellion. but again, if i were in the star wars universe i would likely join and be loyal to the empire.

[@matthewcooper4248]

He didn't lie, what is wrong with you? They were behind and if's not like Vader wouldn't have realized he was lying if he tried. They were behind schedule, that's why the emperor was coming. They doubled their efforts like he said they would, and they focused on the gun first.

[@michaelbaker7499]

So, how did he lie?

[@MusikCassette]

I think you misunderstand the scene of Darth Vaders arrival on the death star. the exchange between Jerjerrod and Vader was part of the charade to lure the rebellion into attacking the death star.

[@Kjf365]

There were no rebels present during that scene lmao.

[@keithtorgersen9664]

*Jerjerrod

[@MusikCassette]

@@Kjf365 how would you know? it was quite public. Even if there were no rebel spies present anything happening that public is bound to find their way via word of mouth to the rebels.

[@darrenrobinson9041]

@@Kjf365 spies exist and soldiers get drunk and gossip & sleep around.

[@davidvanderven]

Please note this is disney's version, not that of the EU.

[@seanmurphy7011]

Which part of Return of the Jedi is this found in? I mean, isn't it just good enough to assume that Moff Jejerrod and his leadership "doubled their efforts"? Who comes up with this crap?

[@bostonrailfan2427]

you didn’t watch the video, did you? he explained that the scenes were deleted from the movie but returned in the 2011 blu-ray. and the Vader/Moff interaction is THE VERY FIRST SCENE IN THE MOVIE! it’s in every version since release! directly after the opening crawl!

[@seanmurphy7011]

@@bostonrailfan2427 uh, NO, that is not in the 2011 blu ray or any other version of the movie.

[@rickwilliams967]

Anyone else think it was better when we didn't have every detail? Seriously, I can enjoy the originals and even the prequels just by themselves, no extra stories made up to get extra cash for anyone. Six movies were enough. I'm not greedy.

[@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462]

It was not him. Xizor suggested using it as a trap. Dis-canon is so dumb.

[@neves5083]

Wait i'm confused, if the station was operation in the end, he didin't lie right?

[@mattwilson8298]

What was the lie?

[@barriolimbas]

Pronounced as Twap

[@TexasTimeLord]

Rebuild Planet Destroyer Do nothing to eliminate the fatal flaw that destroyed the first one Planet Destroyer gets destroyed in the identical way as the first one Morons

[@AlonsoC1017]

Weshalldoubleourefforts,

[@johnbattle7518]

Disney bullsh,t fan fiction. Lost all credibility.

[@gumdeo]

Disney Wars is not Star Wars.

[@johnbattle7518]

​@gumdeo 100% facts. Was into the video until I saw Disney garbage in the video. Even if it was one of the few good characters and the one ok movie it's still just bs to me.

[@wyattmcgee1]

@@johnbattle7518 What’s wrong with Rogue One and the various amazing comics, tv shows, and books?

[@johnbattle7518]

​@@wyattmcgee1Do you really need an explanation? Canon for one. Bad writing crap characters sightseers that don't kill, convenient jedi powers, space Jesus Rey copy paste story telling, just to name a few.