History of the Etruscan Language, part 2, Theory of Anatolian Origin

History of the Etruscan Language, part 2, Theory of Anatolian Origin, Proto-Tyrrhenian, Etruscan, Lemnian
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Golden Cage - Jimena Contreras

[@MrDylan2125]

Thank you for circling the island with the Lemnian language. I definitely wouldn't have been able to find it otherwise haha.

[@hoangkimviet8545]

One of the important things about this language is it made a significant step in using alphabetic script. Etruscans got influence from Greeks and in turn, they influenced Romans.

[@mikloscsuvar6097]

Which step?

[@hoangkimviet8545]

@@mikloscsuvar6097 Well, you know, proto-Sinaitic created the foundation of the alphabetic writing. Then the Phoenicians developed it and brought their invention to the surroundings of the Mediterranean Sea. Greeks learned this and developed their own. After that, Etruscans learned Greeks and in turn, Romans learned Etruscan.

[@mikloscsuvar6097]

@@hoangkimviet8545 No. The Greeks used alphabet, the Etruscans did too. Whst was the big step done by this language?

[@baltai3123]

İnfluence is wrong word actually

[@lekevire]

@@mikloscsuvar6097 The Phoenicians used an abjad, but when it was brought over to the Greeks, it evolved to an alphabet to better suit their language.

[@forestgiest1380]

YES! More Paleo-European language’s please.

[@CostasMelas]

There are some examples of languages that spread after sea migration and survived for a long time, such as Phoenician in Carhage or Greek in Massalia and Crimea.

[@charlesdugay--leyoudec8712]

Really interesting, thank you for your great work!

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you very much

[@raulrossi9735]

Please, vídeo of evolution of american indigenous languages

[@Clemeaux_]

Could you do one of all known "language isolates" across Europe? Like Basque, Etruscan, Nuragic (which might have been tyrsenian) ligurian, rhaetic, and so forth

[@ratisbonawau]

Definitely one of the most interesting Theories on Thyrrenean. And of course another banger Video

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you

[@Didyouknowthatiexist]

Super cool. I love your vids.

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you very much

[@iroquoianmapper]

Great work!

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you

[@valiarsharapov152]

finally!! will there be explanations of other theories about the language?

[@jamustabella9775]

Thanks 👍🏻

[@SupremeLordEnki]

The thing with Etruscans coming from Antalia, and the hypotisis of them moving from one land to another, is the fact of the fall of the bronze age and the sea peoples, if they were infact from anatlia, and they were close neighbors with the Hititi Kingdom, they would have been the first group of people at this age of 1200bc to be the first to be destroyed by the Sea People... So in other words, The Etruscan people did not come from Anatolia, they are rather infact a lost group or lost cousin of the Iberians, Basques, Lusitanians, and Tartessian group, And they happen to share very similar R1b groups and subclades and being of Old European languages stock or in other words, Native European aka Paleo-European, Each group mentioned do not belong to the PIE groups...

[@SupremeLordEnki]

The fact that Etruscans + Basques + Aquitanians share exactly the same Haplogroups and their subclades of R1b.. Only goes to prove that they were once from the same tribe, same clan, which likely spread out around 2000bc.

[@aliklc1970]

Luwian

[@merpking748]

I believe Lusitanian is thought to be some kind of Indo-European language, possibly Italic or Para-Celtic. Tartessian also seems fairly distinct, but lumping it in with Iberian and Basque is at least intuitive. Certainly interesting, and I agree it is very unlikely the Etruscans came from Anatolia.

[@SupremeLordEnki]

@@merpking748 Iberians and Basques/Vascones are one of the same tribe, same for Tartessus but Lusitanians werent, culturaly and linguistically, genetically could have some similarities as theyre part of the Bell Beaker or the Atlantic Megalithic Trade

[@kerimakt8295]

nice video 👍

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you

[@x-lendrow806]

omg they teleported.

[@LucidFL]

RIP Etruscans. You will be remembered

[@elmartinux]

Personally, I find the theory of the migration of an entire people at once unlikely. Rather, it is possible that the Etruscan language is a descendant of languages introduced into Europe with the spread of agriculture in the Neolithic period. There are some fairly convincing studies linking the Etruscan language to the languages of the Hurro-Urartian family.

[@asmrnaturecat984]

It is possible due to external forces like war

[@Dersimite]

Interesting!

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you

[@Markiwaza]

Beautiful video, congratulations! As well as the first part. But according to the latest studies (2021, Max Planck Institut, University of Florence, Tübingen, etc.) the Etruscans are autochthonous..no genetic influence from abroad..

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you

[@josieschultz4241]

i need to know more about thyrrenean now, i can sense a new hyperfixation coming

[@agentflamingo9283]

So the the Roman’s leaving Troy and coming to Italy is possible somewhat based in reality

[@arta.xshaca]

Maybe, but not linguistically

[@agentflamingo9283]

@@arta.xshaca I mean culture wise. The Roman’s adopted lots of Etruscan culture. And they could have heard the story from them. And change it some.

[@blugaledoh2669]

Culturally perhaps

[@TheBobVova]

@@agentflamingo9283 There is a theory the city of Rome had been founded by Etruscan people and got conquered by Latin people later.

[@wilcowen]

​@@TheBobVova that's not a theory it's basically agreed that roman was an Etruscan city initially

[@iaedan917]

How about combining Part 1 and Part 2 with Rhaetic and all in Part 3?

[@andrefarfan4372]

Nice video.

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you

[@micahistory]

nice, i never heard of this theory

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you

[@Avenge_Computers]

I am from Limnos, this is insanely fascinating to me, why Limnos though?

[@user-ko1ii9cs3i]

Спасибо за ваш труд🙂🇷🇺

[@AshFoxUA]

Этруски - это русские

[@user-ko1ii9cs3i]

@@AshFoxUA нет🙂

[@M-Rayan]

@@AshFoxUA wtf

[@valiarsharapov152]

​@@AshFoxUA прув или слид

[@AshFoxUA]

@@valiarsharapov152 Задорнова глянь

[@xXxSkyViperxXx]

what was the sea route that they took?

[@Matthew_080]

Thank you for your video 😃

[@CostasMelas]

You're welcome :)

[@xXShmendanXx]

So the indo europeans and etruscans arrived in italy around the same time?

[@HYDROCARBON_XD]

Indoeuropeans maybe arrived earlier

[@Fummy007]

Interesting possibility, but I doubt it happened like that.

[@bletrick3352]

So which of the 2 theories is most likely to be true?

[@CostasMelas]

Archaeologically, probably the first. The second theory is based mainly on legends and ancient historians. It is possible that both theories have some basis. Mixed population of native Italians and immigrants from Anatolia

[@Polavianus]

Wait where's part one?

[@CostasMelas]

Before 8 months

[@Tito_Barleti]

Costas what is you personal opinioun about etruscan origin?

[@CostasMelas]

I consider the first theory more likely, but the 2nd may also have a basis. That is, there was some Aegean migration that helped the development of the later culture, but did not survive as a linguistic group

[@Tito_Barleti]

@@CostasMelas I think like that too :D

[@kenanhasan9784]

👍👍👍

[@pas1994ok]

I like more the other theory about the origin of this language

[@JY-pl2nc]

0:15 That's look like Aeneas mythology.

[@erti4531]

This might be true because etrucians lived in Aegean Sea and aslo there has been discovery of a mummy in Egypt with etrucian language and aslo in Aegean sea archeological evidence.

[@RichardEdwards40]

etruscan egyptians?😂. nonsense.

[@erti4531]

@@RichardEdwards40 I’m saying that etrucians are Egyptians but a mummy in Egypt was discovered with etrucian letters and scripts in it

[@javier2408]

Where did rheatian go?

[@CostasMelas]

Etruscan-Rhaetian connection is part of the first theory

[@rollout1984]

I never heard of the Lemnian language

[@nicolocrippa8514]

No Rhaetic?

[@CostasMelas]

The Etruscan-Rhaetic connection is part of the first theory

[@nicolocrippa8514]

@@CostasMelas So the Anatolian theory just ignores it or considers it unrelated?

[@fuad_huseynli_2005]

Can you make Mongolic languages?

[@CostasMelas]

It's in the plans

[@user-hz3lr5bp3c]

I love you

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you

[@RealMrStreets]

If the romans inherited a lot of their culture from the etruscans, and probably had some etruscan kings, and this is the origin of their language, well maybe the story of anaeas and the trojans founding rome isn't so unlikely after all

[@joshygoldiem_j2799]

Where is Rhaetic?

[@CostasMelas]

It is part of the Italic-origin theory.

[@turkmenist40]

Europe is the civilization of humanity. Nice video bro.

[@CostasMelas]

Thank you

[@xXxSkyViperxXx]

funny comment from someone with profile pic and name of something made by non-europeans

[@turkmenist40]

@@xXxSkyViperxXx No, my father is Turkish, my mother is European, please do not make empty comments.

[@turkmenist40]

@@xXxSkyViperxXx i'm really more european than you :)

[@xXxSkyViperxXx]

@@turkmenist40 funny guy, he thinks squid game is himself

[@Veriox22]

So basically this theory states that etruscans were anatolians who migrated from their homeland to north italy, perhaps pushed by the colonizing greeks?

[@CostasMelas]

They were pushed from the Lydians according to this theory

[@YamalGaseaRuiz]

You forgot Rhaetic

[@CostasMelas]

It is part of the first theory. See earlier video (part 1)

[@christopherhardy8808]

This theory, if I remember correctly, is based on the DNA analyses of Etruscans found in tombs. They showed to be related to Turks more than anything.

[@adnan_honest_jihadist5775]

turkic origin of etruscans perhaps?

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Not really

[@christopherhardy8808]

@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 Not Turkic, since the Turks didn't live in Anatolia at that time. The Turks mixed with the indigenous peoples of Anatolia, so that's why they show up in DNA analysis. Rather, it lends a bit of credence to Herodotus' story of how the Lydian king, during famine, sent settlers off to colonize in order to relieve the burden of famine.

[@adnan_honest_jihadist5775]

@@christopherhardy8808 what if etruscans came from where turks came from but there is no evidence for it bcs its lost to time?

[@christopherhardy8808]

@Adnan_Honest_Jihadist The languages certainly don't match, so that might impede such a theory. But DNA analysis does show that the Etruscans came from the Steppes (I can't remember fully, so take this with a grain of salt). There's the possibility that the were an Proto-European people that absorbed a Pre- Indo European language. Ultimately, their origins are too unknown to allow for any matter solving solution.

[@leventerylmaz5901]

One of the saddest videos

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Anatuscans

[@jacquesgrabowski2393]

поу́ная лухта 🌝

[@hamzaalmdghri8741]

Haplogoup G

[@RichardEdwards40]

genetics has proven that etruscans are native to italy and did not come from Anatolia

[@firstnamesecondname852]

Not really native. The Etruscans stemmed most likely from Beaker people.

[@jamustabella9775]

l think it was founded by the anatolian people who did not want to be hellenized 🧐

[@RichardEdwards40]

​@@firstnamesecondname852 but the bell beaker were indo-europeans and the etruscans were not.

[@firstnamesecondname852]

Genetics says otherwise.

[@Rowbotftw]

Wrong

[@firstnamesecondname852]

@@Rowbotftw Nope

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Or Izmir theory :-)

[@Fummy007]

Smyrna theory actually

[@bbbbbbbb539]

Smyrna

[@aliklc1970]

Mal noldu

[@destrovskyj]

i doubt about this theory, since etruscans were Native of Tuscany

[@CostasMelas]

Indeed, the first theory is more likely. The second exists because of the ancient writers

[@destrovskyj]

@@CostasMelas i think that it's more probably that there was an ancient family languages which were originary around illyria and lately it spread in greece and so lemnian formed, while the greek substrate maybe was a language correlated with etruscan. this is my personal theory, but i think that its not that dumb

[@Nokhchiydu]

этот язык родственник чеченского

[@Mikhayl_S_V]

Rome (Latin language): Hello

[@MrDylan2125]

Salve

[@attilakovacs1415]

hungarian runic.............en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hungarian_script