HOI4 Multi-Role CHAD vs Meta Fighter Soyboy Comparison

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Жыл бұрын

With By Blood Alone, Hearts of Iron 4 players can customize their airplanes to exploit some seemingly unrelated features and modifiers. Can the standard meta fighter design stand up to the MULTI-ROLE CHAD? Find out by watching this video...

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@hacke3623 Жыл бұрын

You sound so familiarized to talking to the public that I thought you were a very big HOI channel I've never heard before. Great video, It's cool to learn about other techniques! Keep it up!

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words, still very much new to this. Glad you found the video useful, I have researched the air system in depth so I also suggest checking my 1hour guide :)

@sgt.brexit3850 Жыл бұрын

I just realised he's got so few subscribers. He comes across as far more popular

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

@@sgt.brexit3850 Fake it till you make it

@ricardoblikman2676 5 ай бұрын

Those rockets turned Mustangs in WW2 into monstruous ground destroyers in WW2, thats why you see German tank crews looking into the skies on footage after DDay and the result was they hide at day and drive at night. The same was for destroyers who cant really bombard but when they kitted out with missiles they turn into heavy bombardment ships!

@sharklord2817 Жыл бұрын

Incredibly helpful video! Underrated channel.

@tell3131 Жыл бұрын

Great analysis, I'll make sure to try this out. Thanks!

@alexionut.05 Жыл бұрын

Just discovered your channel and I love it. Seems I found someone as obsessed with all these stats and quirks of the game as I am. Note on the video: the caveat is that these ONLY work in Air zones that have ground, so no dogfighting in naval regions. Also they only work whilst there is ground combat, which can be fixed by using logistical strikes, but they are very susceptible to both divisional AA in the former case and fixed AA in the latter. Interesting tactic tho.

@im_theodore Ай бұрын

Tried this out and it went pretty good. Thanks!

@balkan-cowboy Ай бұрын

Check out my Germany and Italy air guides, they get even better in the latest expansion

@wesley_4444 Жыл бұрын

Subscribed and liked, w content!

@subashchandra9557 Жыл бұрын

So Feedbacks tournament was terrible obviously. 1 The designs were out of date, as there was a patch between when some of them designed them, and the tournament happening ,and also Feedback has no idea how statistics work, and the testing methodology was woefully inadequeate. The MG Turret is a terrible idea. The actual "Meta fighter" is 3 Heavy MG, self sealing, and 2 armor. Your multirole fighters get destroyed by the AA in divisions, and provide relatively little in exchange. Having the actual "meta fighter" and dedicated CAS(also with Armor) with maxed out Ground Attack is is just better, both in terms of IC, and in terms of ground attack and air superiority.

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

I disagree that 2 Armor plates on a light airframe is optimal. You need range improvements as with 2 Armor plates, the range of a light aircraft is 720km, which is pitiful. Projecting air power anywhere outside of Western Europe becomes a nightmare as you will get lower mission efficiency. Otherwise I agree with you, that's why I put "meta" in brackets. For the multi-roles, I'm not saying that they work all the time in multiplayer, but they can be devastating in single player, as the models they face and the lack of AA in enemy divisions only serves to their advantage. Also, 1944 air frames don't allow a fourth fighter weapon to be installed, so you might as well make a multi role and benefit from the increased mission efficiency in late game. As for armor on CAS, that does not save you from AA either, you could argue that putting non-strategic materials for the CAS and investing the saved IC into more fighters could also be a good idea, as it's the fighters that give you air superiority and defend other planes in the sky.

@subashchandra9557 Жыл бұрын

@@balkan-cowboy Yes the 2 armor is for home defense. Drop tanks can replace an armor and still out trade. Remember just because more planes lost doesn't mean it's losing. IC is everything.

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

What's your experience with replacing one of the heavy MGs with dual cannons 1? They seem to trade exceptionally well vs fighters with 3HMG and also work better against bombers.

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

@Subash Chandra - yep, definitely try replacing 1 of the heavy MGs with dual cannons 1. Just ran a test where I invested 100,000 IC into models with x3 heavy MGs and x2 Heavy MGs + Cannons. Cannons model cost 39IC and I built a little over 2,500 with them, while the other one cost 36 and I built a little over 2,700 of them. If you run a test you'll find that the cannons model begins to outtrade the triple Heavy MG variant around the 1,100 fighters left mark. Heavy MG fighter fought with 2 more air wings but still lost out at the end :) Dare I say new meta lol

@user-fu2sg4vt3d Жыл бұрын

@@balkan-cowboy Its just easy math, if i understand menueverability right. So air combat value goes something like this:mission efficiency(depends from size of contested region, logi stuff and airfield placement,doctrine bonuses, etc. not very plane designer staff except are you defending region or atacking with plane(survivability or range))*{1/(1-mineverability)}*air atack*air defence= total air superiority value of a plane, maybe you can imrove this equasion with more accurate details

@Mr.Thunderer Жыл бұрын

As far as I understood there are 2 meta fighters (4 if include same just medium airframe) 1. Machine guns if you know that your fighters fight against other fighters or light airframes 2. Cannons in most mp's they are similar to hard attack to me, cuz you only need it against medium bombers or some fat ass strats

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

As per my latest tests, x8 heavy MG plus dual cannons one seems to offer the best of both worlds. Check out my dedicated fighter video to see my take on what is a meta fighter

@JS-iu3ce Жыл бұрын

Are the dive breaks also contributing to the multi roles being better? Due to the mission technically being ground support, and they only get the defence buff while on ground support. So they’re almost acting as armour plates without any cost to range?

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

Ground support = close air support mission, so yes. All I said in the video also works with logistical bombing, so go nuts 🥜

@AmYisraelChai10 Жыл бұрын

What I do is use 3 HMG 2x engine 2 armor plates or 1 and drop tanks. I prefer armor plates because they don’t require more rubber. I always take the Netherlands early game to puppet the Dutch East Indies for rubber.

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

No need for 2x engines my friend, it makes the plane way more expensive and even makes it slower. I would highly advise you to reconsider self sealing tanks at least for your fighters, it has 50% more air defense and doesn't reduce range. Otherwise 1 armor plate and drop tanks are perfect. Also consider swapping one of the heavy MG with dual cannon ones, they trade better. Currently making a meta fighter video, so watch it and see if you're gonna be convinced:)

@AmYisraelChai10 Жыл бұрын

@@balkan-cowboy No I mean like the first level one of engine

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

@@AmYisraelChai10 Ahaa, well look, newer engines means that you have higher top speed, which gives you not ONE but TWO damage buffs if the speed is higher than the enemy's. I suggest watching my 1-hour guide on this, it has lots of useful info.

@AmYisraelChai10 Жыл бұрын

@@balkan-cowboy yeah i mean the 1x engine 1

@boulbahrimahdi5129 Жыл бұрын

If you are talking about Germany, is it really worth it to lose the mefo bills spirit ?

@user-kp6iv1ug2d 8 ай бұрын

Since you are talking about air, i wanted to know if there is any meta for scout planes and more importantly, are they even worth using with by blood alone ?

@balkan-cowboy 8 ай бұрын

Yes they are useful, mostly for multiplayer. You can build cheap ones on a base medium airframe, not much research or industrial Investment is required. The advantage is that you can use them in peace time and your enemy can't counter them before both of you are at war. You can get a lot of valuable intelligence vs the Axis and make plans how to counter them if you invest a little bit in an agency.

@user-kp6iv1ug2d 8 ай бұрын

@sneakystrats thank you so much, I wanted to try them on early but couldn't find anything useful for them since I thought the agency were superior, but then they always get captured dont get the full army info so now at least I can try them :D

@balkan-cowboy 8 ай бұрын

@@user-kp6iv1ug2d I'll make a video about them one of these days, stay tuned

@nickhen4196 11 ай бұрын

Great video. One question though. How are you attacking fighter plane and also providing close air support at the same time? I though u can only click one mission tab at a time?

@balkan-cowboy 11 ай бұрын

Planes on the close air support mission still fight against other fighters. So you don't need two missions for multi roles, just ground attack or logistical strikes

@madensmith7014 Жыл бұрын

Did the units have AA of some sorts? This would probably even out the losses for the multi-role designs.

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

No I excluded it as it did add far too many variables, such as how much AA would an army have, will some divisions have more or less, and in the end of the day, each side would possibly want to contest the air and bomb as well. So if I added AA to the Polish, it would have been fair to add some to the Germans. In any case, for single player you wouldn't have a problem. MP games would depend on what your opponent expects and is capable of doing.

@satan161 9 ай бұрын

very good video but i have one question. should you build any planes before '39? like if you play as the uk you start building these multi role fighters in 1939/40, so when you are already in war with germany. wouldn't that be a huge disadventage, at least for the first 1-2 years?

@balkan-cowboy 9 ай бұрын

I mean if you're single player, yes, build dedicated fighters and then switch to multi. UK has one of the best opportunities to research ahead of time so if you want to focus on it you can start building these in 38 with some sacrifices to other techs.

@satan161 9 ай бұрын

@@balkan-cowboy so get the 100% research bonus with the focus and then just rush it (with ahead of time penalty)

@balkan-cowboy 9 ай бұрын

@@satan161 yeah, all those +% bonuses to research you get from scientists and focuses and tech are quite good when researching ahead of time. Try a game where you focus on researching the 1940 multi role asap and you'll be surprised. Just remember that you need to bomb troops for this to work.

@_-Wade-_ Жыл бұрын

Wow...

@JoeBurner1720 Жыл бұрын

it worked like a charm the first time I did it, can't seem to get it going again, I checked oil, doctrines, spirits, supply, attacks, ground crews, etc. What am I missing? Update: I think it was experience, the debuffs seemed small so I didn't think it'd matter but I guess it makes a huge difference. Couldn't even beat 36 fighters. update again: shreds 36 fighters but cant beat the 1940 fighter meta. not sure what im doing wrong lol

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

Was that in multiplayer? :D You're getting the 65% boost to close air support missions efficiency, right?

@JoeBurner1720 Жыл бұрын

@@balkan-cowboy Yep, 65% bonus from the doctrines and spirits. Im gonna do some tests in single player and see whats up

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

Ok. For multi, this is not a foolproof strategy as some people who know about it can counter it. NEVER use them to fight over neutral territory like any seazone, you need to have your army getting involved in enough battles for this to work properly, as there is a thing called "air combat width". In essence, you can have 3 fighters/bombers doing CAS and fighting in the air for 1 combat width of a battle. For example, one 90-combat width battle would mean that you can actively use around 270-300 fighters. If you send more than that, they won't do anything, so even though it might say that they are in the airzone, you might be fighting at a numerical disadvantage as you are limited by the amount of ground battles happening. Also, some players stack massive amounts of anti-aircraft on their divisions, and these are great for taking down bombers, so your losses might be due to ground-based AA rather than the meta fighters. I would say multi-roles do well in places like the Eastern Front as there you have big airzones where a lot of land combat happens. If you send them to BENELUX, you will be limited due to the small territory, so pick your battles wisely. Don't get into an attritional air war in small airzones where the frontline is small. Hope this helps!

@JoeBurner1720 Жыл бұрын

@@balkan-cowboy Yeah you are right. I think the limiting factor in my scenario was the ground combat, not enough troops in battle and poor efficiency over the larger zones. I just did belgium vs netherlands in a similar setup as you and the multi roles destroyed the meta fighters. This is a great single player strategy but it might be more niche than I thought.

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

@@JoeBurner1720 It has its weaknesses, yes, but it does work well in certain situations. Use them as another tool in your arsenal, the beauty of HoI 4 is that there's a lot of different powerful things you could do :)

@styloxcrypto 5 ай бұрын

still relevant I tested it

@JasonWolfeYT Жыл бұрын

Can you get the big bonus in efficiency on logistical strike?

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

MY MAN

@BXBattleBoy Жыл бұрын

The meta fighter won not because it got more kills, it won because of how many kills in relation to its I.C. cost. So in this scenario, the poles would have more fighters (everything else being equal)

@balkan-cowboy Жыл бұрын

What? In the video, you can literally see that the fighters cost 37 IC while the multi-roles cost 35. If anything, the Germans should have more fighters.