My wife watches Terminator: Genisys for the FIRST time || Movie Reaction

[@CodeMonkeX]

It makes sense that every time they go back they make new timeline with more characters. But yeah I think it puts a cap on how many movies they can make before they have 10 Arnold’s running around.

[@TheRetroManRandySavage]

Makes you wonder why kyle came back in the first place. In terminator 1 he says they had defeated the machines so them sending kyle back was pointless because it started a new timeline. The future he came from wouldn't change. That would carry on as normal. Defeating skynet in the past or stopping the terminator from killing Sarah would make no difference to his future whatsoever. Have I got that right.🤔 It makes my head hurt when I think about it too much.😂

[@GuardianOwl]

@@TheRetroManRandySavage It depends how time travel actually works, in some movies it causes different time branches (like Back to the Future) but in others it overwrites one timeline. In an OG timeline, John's father was probably just some one night stand or something, then time travel had John's original father overwritten by Kyle Reese. The intervention of Skynet in T1, giving Sarah knowledge of the war to come and leaving behind future technology in the past, also causes more changes: John now ends up in foster care and robotics are more advanced by the time of Judgment Day. Because of T1 time travel, Skynet has another date to target John (foster care records), the humans can now reprogram a T800 (Arnold is now the protector), and the metal terminator prototype exists (Robert Patrick is now the hunter). For Terminator 3 there's a whole other timeline we don't even see. The destruction of Cyberdyne Systems delays Judgment Day until _way_ after the the proliferation of the Internet. As soon as the AI comes to power and perfects time travel, it decides to jumpstart its existence earlier in the timeline, and so rides back with the TX into the past and infects the internet, taking control of the processing power of computers connected to it to launch the worlds nukes sooner on the timeline.

[@Jack_80]

in the original it was told as though kyle was always john's father and john knew it. that's why he gave kyle the picture of sarah. it's as though somehow the future happened before the past. kyle says he wanted to meet the legend, sarah conor, who taught her son to fight before the war. she would never if done that if kyle and the terminator had never come back, she wouldn't even know there was anything to prepare him for, she would be in ignorance just like everyone else.

[@daveb947]

In T1, Kyle says it's one possible future. Time is like a window with a single crack and every time you hit/tap it, more cracks form and branch off. And that's the Terminator time travel IMO. LOL.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

LOL I love Jen's reaction to Holden using "stopping" to describe everything, just to confuse her on purpose. 😂

[@josephmoe9994]

Wow ok let me guess you guys like dark fate better johns out of the picture a small female with no training saved the day

[@markcruz359]

@@josephmoe9994 Dont you remember Sarah helped saved the day in Judgement day as well and Ripley did it in the Alien movies. Female heroes is not something new

[@patrickcromwell7554]

@@markcruz359 Perhaps, but Sarah in Judgement Day and Ripley are NOT small tiny females with no training. Sarah at that point is jacked, and Ripley, while not hacked up is certainly able to hold her own; especially as a hybrid in Alien Resurrection. This little feeble as girl comes out of nowhere just so that they can create a "strong female character"

[@Ayhilia]

This is the reaction I NEEDED after a really horrible day at work, thank you guys for making life easier!

[@HoldenHardman]

Thanks for watching!

[@Mike-uh5xl]

They were planning on making this a "Part 1 of 3" and answering all the loose story threads by the end of it.. Which COULD have retroactively made this one really good by the end of it, but we'll never know.

[@SeanTube2099]

How? This resolved everything.

[@garethdavies8004]

@@SeanTube2099 Skynet survived this film, during the end credits scene they show Skynet's Core being recovered.

[@SeanTube2099]

@@garethdavies8004 oh I do think I remember that. But that seems very flimsy “evidence” for a three part film series.

[@kinagrill]

They had the same issue then as the newest Matrix movie had. They rushed through the plot way too fast. If they'd gone slower with a Part 1 ending around the same concept of Terminator 1, where as T2 would be semi-plot related, but with Kyle still alive, Pops around and something new/different trying to timetravel back to eliminate John as a child, and possibly end with a removal of off-shoots of timelines to ensure skynet was never created and WILL never be created. Or just go with 'certain things are fated to happen, but changes CAN be made, lives can be saved, time is maleable to it'.

[@dj_daem0n]

It's important to note that this is the first TERMINATOR sequel that resets the entire franchise. As in, the entire timeline is changed. It's good to know what's happened, so you can recognize every changed reference. DARK FATE also changes the timeline, it simply keeps everything up to T2 intact while changing everything after.

[@intense79nick]

I much prefer Dark Fate for how it handled it. I don't want to spoil why though

[@NewYorkFloridaMan]

That thumbnail says everything about this movie. She looks excited to see it for the first time and he looks even more confused after watching it again.

[@TooFurious4]

27:06 Fun fact: that bus flip was practical. They actually flipped a freakin bus.

[@Darkstar72SR]

I think the liquid metal terminator in this is a T-1001, not a 1000 like in T2. One difference being that the 1001 can send off pieces of itself and still command them. The 1000 could not. I believe the 1001 was introduced in the series, ‘Terminatoe: The Sarah Connor Chronicles’.

[@FreeOpenTruth]

No. You are thinking of the Sarah Connor Chronicles. The T-1001 is in that show.

[@rubenrocha3872]

It's best to think of each movie as in their own timelines T1 - salvation is one timeline. Genisys can stand alone as it's own movie. T1, 2, & dark fate can be seen as it's own timeline

[@DanR723]

Nope dark fate doesnt exist 😏

[@TallgeeseFan]

That respect James Cameron and Arnold Schwarzenegger have it's epic, actually the respect he has with so many people is so cool. I grew up watching Last Action Hero and Eraser and True Lies, the guy is a legend in my books.

[@toddpatrick8254]

I understood the timelines coinciding together. It can be a little confusing if you overthink it. The sprinkle of Sarah being rescued by Arnold at age 9 could have been pursued alot more. I wasn't on board with John Connor being the Terminator either. It's still better than dark fate in my opinion. Fun review!

[@alexflores4262]

Dark date was good idk why people say it isn’t lmao it’s a good af fun movie… T3 was my favorite it was the end of a trilogy and tied things up and yes the legendary T1 and T2 were good af too and I’d say dark date was as good as the OG trilogy

[@Alexanderthegreat159]

@@alexflores4262 see t3 was one of the worst for me. And dark fate I guess would be okay if you put it in a universal its own. Because it literally doesn't work. Because if John never grew up he could have never sent Kyle back to the past in the first place and all this other stuff. I guess it can work and its own continuity but it doesn't connect with any of the other movies. And honestly really besides the action scenes it really wasn't that good story wise

[@glenmartin7978]

@@Alexanderthegreat159 Dark Fate was Directed by the same Director from the First Two movies James Cameron Terminator was his Baby in the first place he can do what he wants with the story

[@majorbombas]

@@glenmartin7978 Dark fate was directed by Tim Miller, James Cameron was just a producer... Money guy.

[@glenmartin7978]

@@majorbombas my mistake lol I cant see the difference anyway he thought up the story in the first place for T1 and T2 now Dark Fate

[@Jantzku]

Shooting in the foot is probably one of the worst things she could've done. Lots of nerves and bones to tickle those nerves etc. Immense pain

[@calceus2640]

and in survival the most important thing is that your foot or leg is not injured or else u cannot run away or even just barely walk

[@Jantzku]

@@calceus2640 You can't do sh*t when shot in the foot. The pain basically makes you immobilized.

[@kinagrill]

Yup, also it's a low injury is it'll just BLEED, compared to an injury higher up on the body, like an arm wound that can be raised above heart level.@@calceus2640

[@CubejamF1]

This is the only Terminator movie I never watched.. I'm so glad I'm watching it with you two because.. you're explaining this timeline crap to me too!

[@Alexanderthegreat159]

It really wasn't that hard dude. Just think of one and two as their own timeline. 123 and 4 as their own timeline. Genesis as it's own timeline and dark fate is definitely its own timeline. Genesis is more or less a reboot while dark fate is more or less a woman empowerment movie.

[@Eidlones]

@@Alexanderthegreat159 But Genysis' timeline interacts with previous timelines. How does 1984 T-800 get sent back, when the future has shown that it's different from the timeline when the original movie happens? They're using multiple versions of how time travel works, so it doesn't mesh.

[@Taj_Rahine]

I agree with Jen again! Nuff said, she knows her Terminator franchise stuff.

[@christianhollman5558]

This was the first Terminator movie I watched as a kid so I actually kinda like this one. All of the plot twists and how they used moments from the past in a new movie.

[@SeanTube2099]

Did it make sense without seeing the prequels?

[@skateurself]

I wanted to ask that as well.. how could things make sense if youve never seen the originals bahahahaha.

[@suproliver]

I'm sorry this was your first Terminator experience. 😔 I do not blame you for not knowing better. -OG

[@baron6797]

When you have no reference when there is reference, it's just another movie and not a part of a bigger picture. You should leave it here and not watch the originals

[@christianhollman5558]

@@skateurself Funny enough I saw the first one like a month ago. It was (in my opinion) kinda cool watching them in that order. Because the beginning of Genisys is recreating the beginning of the first movie with a plot twist for the OGs. It’s kinda like watching the Final Destination movies. You don’t really know the timeline at the end of the series and then you see a man get on a plane…the same plane from the very first movie. It’s kinda mindblowing

[@chefskiss6179]

Y'now... good or bad, right or wrong... I absolutely respect this journey we're on. Kudos for that at least 😂

[@stuartthomson1863]

If Jen hated what they did with John Connor on this one, she’ll absolutely detest what they did to him in Dark Fate.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

IKR? 😄

[@Jack_80]

i can't believe she liked sarah in this movie. both sarah and kyle had terrible actors, kyle especially in the original, kyle felt like someone who came from a different, much more harsh reality. in this movie you felt none of that. he didn't feel like someone who came from a life of constant suffering and struggle, he felt like someone who lived in sarah's time his whole life.

[@MC-zr6gc]

I kind of liked this movie, BUT I do have mixed feeling about John, even though i understand how it fits with this new super-altered timeline. And also, how T-2 JD basically just kicks the can down the road for Skynet's activation. Like, one way or another, SOME type of similar scenario is almost all but destined to happen. I like to believe too, that this and DF can be assumed to be taking place "at the same time", even though they're happening in different decades

[@kinagrill]

or just 'timetravel messups' that caused defunct and vastly bad timelines. There are a few such in, I think it was Dark Horse Comics, with very interesting 'what if' scenarios.@@MC-zr6gc

[@nychris2258]

Dark Fate is better than Genisys.

[@CaptainAmercia]

Timeline so Far: *Original Kyle Reese Timeline* | *Timeline in which Kyle Reese from T1 lived through* Terminator 1 - 1984 | Kyle Reese mates then dies protecting Sarah Connor John Connor is Born - 1985 Judgment Day - 1997 Kyle Reese is Born - 2003/2004 Future War - 2029 | Skynet Defeated, Sent back T-800 | Kyle Reese sent back to protect Sarah Connor Terminator 1 - 1984 | Kyle Reese mates then dies protecting Sarah Connor ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Original Movie Timeline* | *Delayed Judgement Day to 2004 Timeline* Terminator 1 - 1984 | Future War 2029 (Skynet Defeated) Terminator 2 - 1995 | Judgment Day - 1997 (Delayed) Terminator 3 - 2004 | Judgement Day - 2004 | Future War 2033 (Alternate Future War) Terminator Salvations - Opening 2003 | Future War 2018 (Future War from T3) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Genisys Timeline* | *Big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff Timeline* T-3000 arrives - Unknown | My theory is the T-3000 is from an alternate timeline and Skynet who arrives to the original timeline and waits for this John Connor to defeat Skynet Future War - 2029 (Skynet Defeated) | Skynet sends T-800 to kill Sarah Connor and prevent the birth of John Connor Skynet sent a T-1000 to kill Sarah Connor when she was a child - 1973 | T-1000 kills her parents but is stooped by a T-800 sent back by *Unknown* who raises her T-800 arrives in 1984 just like in T1 but is tracked down and destroyed by Sarah and Pops Skynet sends T-1000 who waits for Kyle Reese to arrive - 1984 | Kyle Reese arrives in 1984 like in T1 but is faced by a T-1000. Kyle is rescued by Sarah in this timeline. Sarah and Kyle Travel to Modern Day - 2017 | Judgement day never happened in 1997 and the worlds awaiting the launch of Genisys ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Dark Fate Timeline* | *Spoilers* Terminator 1 - 1984 | Future War 2029 (Skynet Defeated) Terminator 2 - 1995 | Judgment Day - 1997 (Delayed) Terminator: Dark Fate - No information for Spoiler Reasons ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This does not take into account the Sarah Conner Chronicles or the comics such as Robcop vs Terminator. Been a while since I've watched the Sarah Conner Chronicles so this is all the timelines I gathered from the movies. The original timeline at the very top is the one we see in the Future War flash forwards in both T1 and T2 this being the timeline Kyle Reese is from. There's no doubt older timeline than this just one long loop of Kyle being sent back in time, getting it on with Sarah leading to the birth of John in 1995 and then Judgment day in 1997 all leading up to to 2029 when Skynet is defeated and Kyle is sent back in time. Terminator 2 doesn't break this loop but does delay Skynet to 2004 yet Kyle still needs to be sent back to 1984 so Sarah can have John. The big difference being this universes history has been changed meaning the Kyle we see in Salvations would've lived a slightly different life compared to the one we saw in T1 same with John Connor as well and how and when the future war ends. Then the Loop begins again and who knows maybe this spins into another timeline where Skynet is delayed even further back or maybe then change up there game.

[@user-pm2b47ar8d]

Doesn't "Dark Fate" ignores all of the previous Terminator films except Terminator 2?

[@znowman8856]

​@@user-pm2b47ar8d Yes it does.

[@CaptainAmercia]

@@user-pm2b47ar8d Yep Dark Fate is another timeline all together that only follows the events of T1 and T2.

[@travisfoster1071]

Too many timelines, ironically franchise killing.

[@davidwiley4953]

Don't forget the Sarah Conner Chronicles timeline.

[@bobbelleci9995]

Here's what I think. It's better to just enjoy it as a standalone movie. Sure, it might be fun to try to piece together the timeline with this, but we kind of get that headache too. In fact, it actually takes watching Genisys a couple of times. It really starts to grow on you. Plenty of action to keep you riveted to your seat. Also, some of the scenes actually mimic previous ones, such as, when Kyle takes the homeless guy's pants, same as T1! And the scene where Kyle is trying on shoes in the department store while being chased by that terminator cop. Lastly, we really liked many of Emilia Clarke's scenes. Very powerful. So you see, there's much to enjoy!

[@eddiemurffy467]

This movie makes no sense if viewed as standalone. Its plot highly dependent on Terminator 1.

[@unclelink]

I liked this one, especially when Dr. Who's Matt Smith said, "I AM Skynet." Emphasis on the "am!" That cause me to read more about Terminator Lore. Multiverse theory, multiple versions of Cyborg and how the little girl in Salvation was possibly a Terminator, as a fan of Screamers that was an awesome theory! I loved Emilia Clarke and her eyebrows (I really ❤️ her eyebrows) in this! Was hoping for a sequel to this. What's next? J.J. Abram's Star Trek?

[@SGz_Eliminated]

JJ Trek would be interesting but I doubt it, then again I'm still surprised they did Terminator

[@Maplecakes1221]

The actor that plays the T-1000 in this one is Byung-Hyun Lee, one of Korea's most talented actor. He played the frontman in Squid Game, Storm Shadow in the GI Joe films, and countless other great films and drama. For anyone interested in him, I highly recommend Mr. Sunshine, a netflix series about Korea getting occupied by Japan and America and his plays as a Korean slave that grew up to be an American general.

[@KilllaTofu]

There's a great timeline video for the Terminator series on youtube. Explains how it's not really a mult-verse timeline and not a straight time-line, but more of a 'time slinky'. a straight time line with several loops that are created a long the way. Each movie we see a new loop being created.

[@DugTheDog]

What's the title of the video?

[@KilllaTofu]

@@DugTheDog ‘the complete terminor timeline explained’

[@Jack_80]

when she said she didn't understand why it was necessary for kyle to give little kyle that message, it's because that was the only reason adult kyle was able to hear that message while traveling through time and convince sarah to go to that time instead. if he doesn't tell little kyle they never know and they go to the wrong time. just like the original terminator, it's like the future happens first, because the future already would have had to happen for kyle to hear that message. the same way the future would have already had to have happened first for john to know kyle reese is his father and give him that picture of sarah to make them fall in love. it is more convoluted than the original, but the same basic principle.

[@protegedaniel]

Keep in mind that Dark Fate is the only Terminator sequel that James Cameron considers cannon.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

I don't know if it was intentional, but Sarah and Kyle just popping up randomly on the freeway mirrors the scene from the TV show where John, Sarah and their Terminator do the same thing.

[@marlonclark1896]

hmmmm

[@cameronbaker97]

this movie also had a post credit scene, I think this is also the only Terminator film with a post credit scene.

[@coralypato]

Holden, Jen: In Terminator 3 Arnold responds to John when he said "we stopped judgment day" that judgment day can't be stopped, only postponed. That's is why there is a 6th one and so and so...

[@slambergang]

A lot of people don't realize that Terminator Salvation, though being the "repaired future", is actually going to loop into another past. The intro of this movie being the actual end of Terminator Salvation That being said, T900 has already been created in Terminator 2 managing to time travel as well as Arnold

[@uttula]

”why couldn’t they launch it earlier?” … because it was still evolving; it had not reached the point where it turns into ”skynet” (and apparently when it is launched, it stops evolving or something so that the movie can happen;)

[@senorelroboto2]

One reason Kyle time travels into the middle of the air and falls is that the time bubble melts things that it touches. The terminator doesn't mind having burnt feet.

[@RayBlazar]

I feel like if this movie was a like 12 episode short series and fleshed it all out, could've been something epic

[@freakinflax]

This is the one I was waiting for Jen to see!

[@patrickhuot001]

29:15 Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but J&G Oil Co. is the same name on the tanker truck from the 1984 truck chase scene.

[@matt_canon]

16:05 I liked this bit of the 1984 section. In the first movie the T-800 was damaged, limping, and here the endoskeleton is facing Kyle at full strength.

[@YouHaventSeenMeRight]

The whole Terminator franchise basically revolves around the so called Bootstrap Paradox and other time travel paradoxes. In the Boot Strap Paradox events in the future basically instigate things happening in the past through the fact that future knowledge is transported back to the past. This leads to a closed time loop, where things in the past need to happen in order for the future to occur, which in turn then leads the future to send back information to the past in order to ensure that things happen as they are supposed to. The central paradox of the Bootstrap Paradox is "how did this all get started, who originated the information that leads to the events that occur, the future or the past". This is the premise of Terminator, as the act of sending back Kyle Reese ensures the birth of John Conner, who then has to send back Kyle in order to ensure that this happens. At the same time the fact that Skynet sends back a Terminator ensures that it will be born, thus closing the circle and leaving us with the question "where did all this start". Terminator 2 throws a spanner in the works as Sarah and John use information from the future to prevent the rise of Skynet by destroying it before it can even be born. This of course makes the "Skynet" version of the future with the Terminators and time travel not occur (at least not in that form). This basically changes the concept from Bootstrap Paradox to something that must be based on multiple timelines. So each time we go through the loop, a parallel universe is created in which the events unfold as new because the information from the future allows people in the past to change their own future. So in T1 both John Conner and Skynet are "created" through the act of sending Kyle Reese and the Terminator back from the future. In T2 this loop is broken because Sarah and John prevent the creation of Skynet at the moment in time that it was supposed to be created as relayed to Sarah by Kyle, which causes a parallel universe or branch to be created, where the future of T1 doesn't happen as relayed by Kyle. Now T3 pushes against this idea, by making the creation of Skynet inevitable, which in turn causes John Conner to be necessary again as the leader of the Human Resistance, but the movie also introduces its own little paradoxes as the people who should have become John's lieutenants are killed off, thus changing the future again. Terminator Salvation doesn't fit into this pattern as it doesn't really incorporate any of the time travel paradoxes (apart from the need to keep Kyle Reese alive and incorporating John's wife from T3, who was never mentioned in the original timeline of T1). Terminator Genisys then decides to completely rearrange the timeline, with "Dad" and Sarah even preventing most of what happened in the T1 timeline and Skynet thus never existing, only to be replaced with Genysis. Now the only movie that actually makes sense in the series after T2 is actually Terminator: Dark Fate. I know that it is controversial amongst fans for a certain event that happens at the start of the movie, but it stays the most true to the fallout from T2 and James Cameron's ideas about what would happen if AI is left to grow unchecked.

[@15blackshirt]

In regards to Terminator Resistance, I recommend playing the DLC campaigns after finishing the main campaign. The actor playing Kyle Reese, Jai Courtney, was in Spartacus: Blood and Sand

[@dus10dnd]

Keep in mind about any inconsistencies in timelines, they continue to altar the future in each movie. It is the "river" theory of time travel. Sure, you can change events, but you're not going to stop the flow of the river.

[@glenmartin7978]

Terminator, T2, T3, Salvation is the first Timeline Then Genisys Changes the past and creates an Alternate Universe Dark Fate saw the Return of James Cameron and everything after T2 is removed from the Timeline

[@jordanblack1800]

29:32 he isn't flying he's falling with style!

[@tristanpicotte7784]

I love this series, it really embraces iterative timelines, multiverse, what have you. (The changes to the timelines, over and over again eventually produce divergent timelines) you can look at it like a consistent story, it's just that through the past interference, it eventually builds towards an actual change, rather than a cyclical one. I like the concept personally.

[@MissionaryMan]

Just to let you know, the man sitting down when John throws Arnold into the wall at 23:43 is Robert Patrick, the original T1000.

[@KURSEDSOULS666]

I’m happy you’re watching the entire series

[@tonyvelli4324]

I'm not happy, Terminator stops at 2. Salvation can be seen in OAV. 3 - 5 - 6 are shit

[@marlonclark1896]

@@tonyvelli4324 too bad

[@alexflores4262]

@@tonyvelli4324 3 is fucking amazing tf I’ve always seen it as a trilogy

[@Mauther]

One of the main flaws the cinematic release was the movie poster showed John Conner as as Terminator, spoiling the big reveal. The Pops plotline is a return to the original script of Terminator 1. In the original write up, Reese was much older than in the script. The resistance wasn't sure where the Terminator was sent to, so they sent him back to Sarah's birth and he watched her grow up, making him an old-ish man at the tie of his fight with the T800. Can't remember if this idea was before or after the T800 vs T1000 idea.

[@crazy_indian3921]

That small scene with terminator John by the cat scan machine If you pause it at the right second, you can see the evolution of man hidden in it😂

[@ceciliousman]

Linda hamilton plays as Sarah Connor in dark fate which is my favorite one.. I hope you two enjoy it when you see it..

[@dalehenrickson6243]

Time lines in this movie is like Multi versus. Each time line is its only Universe. Very Simplistic.

[@k.delpino1124]

When they talked about T5, this was the goal: "The first In a trilogy that would reboot and end the saga" Sounds simple and sooner or later this franchise would come to an close. Make the final chapter worth waiting for. Even James Cameron enjoyed it in a private screening. He said "this is what I would've made as T3". I went to an early screening (a day early in fact). I enjoyed it very much with what dir. Alan Taylor had envisioned. Seemed like there was absolute goals for things to come in the end credits. It did well in the box office as well. But just like that, Genisys was a 'one and done' and i was so angry. Promises broken once again.

[@9776722]

Also... Junkie XL (Zack Snyder's Justice League...and Han Zimmers friend) does the music for Dark Fate as well. Hope you enjoy. It's my 3rd favorite

[@patricgmuer2988]

I laughed out loud when you said he’s our forever hero… just wait till dark fate.

[@shainewhite2781]

The only good thing about this movie is Arnold Schwarzenegger coming back to the role, and even said in an interview that this is the real TERMINATOR 3. However, not everything was sunshine and happiness behind the scenes as the producers of the project treated the film director, Alan Taylor (Thor The Dark World, Game Of Thrones) very poorly and Emilia Clarke heard about what happened, and how she felt bad about him. The film was a box office success making $440 million dollars against a $160 million dollar budget. There were talks of Sequels and a live action TV series, but this was cancelled due to the fact that Paramount pictures thought the film didn't make a profit. Jason Clarke (John Connor) wanted to see a prequel film centering on John going back to 2014 to begin his creation on Skynet.

[@matteobattaglia9929]

Moonfall is maybe the funnest movie to come out last year. It’s entertaining as heck.

[@themadness1925]

Danny Dyson was Miles Dyson's son that tried to protect Miles from being shot by Sarah Conner in T2.

[@packedentertainment2866]

Yeah, that should’ve made the movie more clearer to them. Obviously T2 never happened & this movie is a requel to T1. This movie was straight forward. I don’t understand how they could possibly be confused

[@crazy_indian3921]

When Anold says "Protect my Sarah" gave me the impression her father took possession of a terminator to protect her

[@chicograndeblast]

I have to admit that I watch this Terminator movie because Emilia Clarke is so pretty and I love her crazy expressive eyebrows. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@marlonclark1896]

same😍

[@williamjackson6705]

Every time you change the past you; you change the future. Everything after Terminator 2 is an alternate timeline, including The Sarah Conner Chronicles. You should definitely check out that series as well. With that in mind you can enjoy the entire series. That being said, I love the entire series. Including Dark Fate. My complaint is that Common should have been an adult Danny Dyson in Salvation.

[@MrBazBake]

Even the original Terminator is an alternate timeline. It was impossible for Kyle and Sarah to give birth to John Connor unless they had already time traveled. So either the original John Connor was John Connor's half brother or this was the nth trip back in time.

[@CoffeeMatt10]

@@MrBazBake the events of Terminator would have been at least the third iteration of the timeline… Original timeline: Sarah was meant to go on a double date with Ginger and Matt, but her date called to cancel so she went out on her own, she probably hooked up with some random guy at the bar, he fathered John, maybe turns out he’s ex-military or something and teaches John and Sarah a few things, Judgement day happens, John uses those teachings to lead mankind to victory. Skynet throws the “Hail Mary” T-800 back to 1984 to kill Sarah. Timeline 2: Similar to what we see in Terminator, except Kyle wasn’t John’s father. He protects Sarah and they fall for each other, he becomes John’s father, dies protecting Sarah. Sarah brings John up and teaches him to become the great leader that is his “destiny”. Judgment Day happens, John leads mankind to victory, Skynet throws the “Hail Mary”, and boom… Timeline 3: the events of Terminator/T2/T3/Salvation. Timeline… who knows: Genisys. Timeline… god only knows: T1/T2/Sarah Connor Chronicles. Timeline… good god why: T1/T2/Dark Fate.

[@causewhynot284]

The thing about the next movie dark fate is it retroactively acts as the third film in the franchise, while it’s the sixth film. The story in it canonically is actually what would be another third movie or third story told after the events of T2, like Halloween 2018, since James cameron came back to be a producer on it, it ignores all of the other sequels, even the rise of the machines and acts as a new 3rd chapter

[@senorelroboto2]

Multiverse and different time lines is really different sides of the same coin.

[@josephstanfield6605]

When I get to this point in a series, I am never expecting a great film. So, this movie never disappointed me. I ate up all the action and enjoyed it for what it was ...a straight-up "stuff your face" popcorn movie. Good ole dumbed down action flick.

[@alucard624]

It was at least borderline entertaining compared to Dark Fate.

[@alexfielding7191]

I went in with my expectations on the floor and was still disappointed.

[@lautarogilescudero6238]

Only one would be missing, which is the hidden destiny terminator Look at all your reactions to each terminator movie and the truth is beautiful... expresses emotion to the intrigue and suspense...

[@almanzandrew]

The Genisys hologram reminded me a lot of the red queen from the resident evil movies. You guys should definitely give those a watch.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

Kyle never said anything because it didn't happen. Remember in order to have the second and third movie, the resistance needed to send Kyle, the T-101, and then a second T-101. This movie shows John getting attacked while Kyle is on route.

[@trendkill6736]

Mary had a little lamb, and she turned it into a wonderful shepherd's pie! 🐑

[@packedentertainment2866]

What?

[@seonaidhkennedy6784]

This was the nadir for me. It was neat seeing the blue Cameron future and the purple lasers, but this film dropped every ball. Horribly miscast too. Salvation was middling but it had the right idea.

[@blessanabey8386]

Wait what is nadir?

[@FluxNomad678]

​@Blessan Abey like Zenith or Peak I think ? The Terminadir 😂 ?

[@seonaidhkennedy6784]

@@blessanabey8386 nadir means "the lowest or most unsuccessful point in a situation." It's the opposite of "peak."

[@blessanabey8386]

@@seonaidhkennedy6784 tnx.

[@micpar2]

This time line gave me a TTTUUUMMMAAAAHHHH!!! I thought they sent Joey back to 1984. Joey to Sarah How U DDDDooo''iiinnnn:???

[@karkajouautomaton4882]

When you have 2 comments of the day, I think Jen should read the second one. Mostly because I want to see her emulate Holden's over the top delivery, too.

[@HoldenHardman]

Great idea!

[@anthonyloza9847]

Love your reactions, been going back and watching some of your old reactions. You need to finish out the Back to the future series.

[@jok86er]

This and Salvation make me appreciate Terminator 3 more.

[@richardb6260]

After the first two, this is my next favorite. Despite the iffy casting of John and Reese, it's the only one that tries to be different and I was actually interested in where they were going. But I guess most fans just want to see the same thing over and over.

[@DugTheDog]

You guys have probably already been told but Dark Fate is a follow up to T2. The 3 movies after T2 are out of the window so now it's like a trilogy if you ignore Rise of the Machines, Salvation and Genisys like the creators of Dark Fate did.

[@purplecowadoom]

I timeline issue *is* a form of multiverse issue Holden. Universes dealing with base events branching off in different directions is just a much smaller subset of a larger multiverse where other things exist/happen. I read a passibly-good series of novels that laid it out like this: You've got the basic dimensions: 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D (Line, Shape, Depth, Time) Then: 5D - Alternate Time 6D - All Alternate Times simultaneously 7D - Alternate Time w/different starting conditions 8D - All the previous 9D - Every conceivable reality, including those with physical laws that are fundamentally incompatible with/beyond human understanding 10D - All the previous, represented as a singularity It was a sci-fi series, but all of this is sci-fi until/unless some scientist opens a portal to somewhere, and the logic here works for me. 5D is the most basic level of a multiverse, but you still have _multiple universes_ . Edit: All of this is irrelevant as far as this (or any other) movie goes though. I haven't seen a single writer properly think a time/interdimensional travel story through.

[@yogafrogz]

Wow! What were the novels?

[@purplecowadoom]

@@yogafrogz It's called "Monster Hunting for Fun and Profit" by Eddie Patin.

[@WSPBane]

Just to note, I was on this end of world movie kick a couple months ago and I came across Moonfall. I actually enjoyed it and found it really entertaining as well.

[@andredulac4456]

Haven't watch dark fate, but to me T3 was the best ending possible, because if they stopped skynet, then Kyle couldn't go back in time to be John's father, the terminator couldn't go back to help destroying skynet, that would mean it has to exist to be destroyed, that's why you can't prevent judgment day. To me, if they had to make new movies after T3, it could only happen after judgment day, about how humans will free themselves from the machines.

[@brianegendorf2023]

So, Holden makes the distinction between Time Travel and the Many Worlds Theory (Multiverse). But some scientists think they are actually the same thing. There can literally be an endless amount of timelines that are all variations of each other that all happen at the same time (That's called a Superposition). Each of those timelines exist in its own universe. Whenever you go back in time and change something, the first timeline doesn't cease to exist..everything that happens in that timeline still happens. But you don't get to see it, because by changing it, you branched off into a different universe with a different timeline. That is why some variation of Skynet is guaranteed. Just as Sarah and Kyle can change the past to create time lines that never have skynet. Sknynet can change the past to make sure that some timelines will always have a Skynet. The only way to truly get rid of skynet would be to prevent its creation in every single version of reality prior to it initial creation.

[@Night_Kroww]

my brother and i were more or less along for the ride for all the newer movies. they are a good ride. and any extra storylines are just good entertainment. same reason for watching all the alien movies and predator movies and the alien vs predator movies

[@thehardyfan9908]

I personally quite liked this one, not as good as the first 2 but still loved it

[@AndrewJamison79]

the way i understand it if this time line had succeded skynet would have turned all humans into what they turned John into where the remember their past but they are no longer human

[@AbrahamEspino1]

Timeline 1: Terminator 1984, T2, T3, Terminator Salvation. Timeline 2: Terminator 1984, T2, Sarah Connor Chronicles TV show. Timeline 3: Terminator 1984, Terminator Genysis. Timeline 4: Terminator 1984, T2, Dark Fate. Yeah there's a fuck ton of bloated continuities lol.

[@____Riley____]

This was supposed to be the first movie of a new series of Terminator movies with Emilia Clarke and Jai Courtney staring in. My guess is that some of the things that were set up in this like who sent back the old Arnold and JK Simmons character would have continued into the next movies. But because of the really bad reception with this one they scrapped any plans to sequals to this movie, and tried to reboot the franchise with Terminator Dark Fate.

[@GuardianOwl]

I really like Dark Fate so I am glad you are going to give it a chance to watch it without a preconceived notion. Some think it is against the spirit of the franchise, but it renews my faith in humanity that we don't survive because certain people exist, but because when there _is_ a need, someone will always step forward.

[@mrdavman13]

Dark fate is better than what people say. The effects are obviously the best and the Rev 9 is scary as hell

[@Eidlones]

@@mrdavman13 Eh.. Rev 9 is just a way to have T-1000 and T-800 in one body, for... some reason. The best stuff Dart Fate does is everything not involving the other films. Interesting concepts, held back by clinging to the popularity of the old movies, in an attempt to recreate T2.

[@mrdavman13]

@@Eidlones yeah that’s what makes it scary is only one but they can split up. It doesn’t need to be anything new or special there’s only so much they can do with that concept. And returning to the original formula of the first two is why it’s so much better than the others that were so convoluted and unnecessarily complicated. It just has to be able to be followed easily and entertaining. It’s not some deep film or anything

[@leninmccarthy5654]

Dark Fate is only Terminator movie I've liked since T2.

[@alc8114]

My problem with skynet is why would they use terminators that all look like Arnold, you would think they would have different facial structures to disguise and infiltrate their target , they could just use any huge muscle guy for any of the terminator movies after the 1st Terminator movie! I guess that’s why Cameron went with the T-1000 in T2 (but they still use a terminator that looks like Arnold to protect them)

[@terrancelee5817]

This is the most accurate opening, based off the books and dark horse comics. I know that had to be the source material because the design of the time displacement device looks like the one from the comic books.

[@kimsbookcorner8483]

Please do the Sarah Conner chronicles.I love all of your reactions to these movies so far.

[@thelukeofficial9626]

So I have a theory: I think before John died and became a terminator he sent a terminator to protect his mum as a child The sky-net terminator saw that and sent the Liquid Metal t-1000 to kill Kyle when he arrives and to kill Sara as a kid to make sure John will be dead However John doesn’t remember Because he asked “pops” “Who sent you back I wonder?” That’s because the sky-net terminator erased his memory So that he won’t have a chance of turning back to normal! And when the uniform cop in LA says they saved his life he’s referring the scene where Sara stopped the terminator from killing Kyle and said “come with me if you want to live “ by doing that he could escape At the end of the movie there’s a extended scene that shows sky-net is still active I think that’s because they didn’t destroy the original T-800 completely You have to burn a terminator So that sky-net can’t come back

[@matsv201]

There already is a terminator short film.. from 1994 featuring Arnold and that kid from the second movie. I think it's called terminator across time. Is super hard to get hold of.

[@samuelclayhills3298]

The John Connor bit is pretty good because this is Skynet learning that they always loose to this guy so lets just make him evil its the perfect irony for a completley diffrent universe.

[@travismorris9303]

I just found you guys and watched all your Terminator reactions. If you're still seeing comments on this I'd recommend watching/ reacting to the series Terminator The Sarah Conner Chronicles. It's actually pretty good, it gets back to a more straightforward storyline. But there's still a little time travel funkyness. Also there is a much better take on a female Terminator. It's clearly not blockbuster movie budget, but it's good. Sarah Conner is played by Lena Headey from Game of Thrones.

[@davesinsanestudio8072]

Never seen this one before. I actually liked this. Such a interesting idea of mixing the previous movies together to make something new. One thing I wish was better is the art. The first two movies had an amazing look, even the third one had few moments, but after 3rd one it kinda started to look generic. Still really neat idea. Glad they played around with these characters and the IP in the interesting way. As for it being confusing don't worry about it. If you seen the previous movies then you can tell what changed. That's all that really matters. I doubt they really cared about making everything make sense. At this point all the Terminator movies are kinda their own thing.

[@skateurself]

Yeah but what they did to recreate that first movie scene.. they had to re do everything in CGI in order not to get sued or something.. which to this day.. I have no idea how they did it lol.

[@nigeltrotter2886]

28:22- No weirder than Queen Amidala babysitting her future husband. 29:59- You're all going to die down here. 30:00- Have you come to destroy me Obi-Wan.

[@kinagrill]

Genisys is basically 'what happens if alternate reality Skynet is more or less 'more' successful and ends up travelling back in time to mess with John Connor and then also try and sabotage the changes attempted by The Resistance with Kyle sent back to save Sarah - so we have a T-1000 also sent back to try and stop Kyle Reese and there was never a reprogrammed T-800 sent back to save John as a kid because the T-1000 was never sent back to the 90s to begin with. Rather something or someone tried to kill Sarah as a child instead and that's where Old-Arnie 'Pops' comes in.

[@Allaiya.]

woohoo! I am glad you're getting into it! Emilia Clark is a great actress!

[@startingQB]

Older Kyle had to tell his younger self "Genesis is Skynet" so that he could remember it later when he went back in time.

[@KaNCeRmm4life]

Yea I was of the opinion they should of kept Anton Yelchin as Kyle from salvation, and had Blair and maybe even Common back as well in that opening with John and them sending Kyle back, if you couldn't get Bale to cameo this dude was fine, but id of sent Matt Smith back as the embodiment of Skynet as like the last ditch effort, kept it in 84, then you have Sarah and Kyle live "happily ever after" and then with that the events of Dark Fate actually makes much more sense now and all the movies fit lol but why do that

[@JulianP311]

"I can see this is 'helping her along.'" Hahahaha!

[@matt_canon]

The problem that I had with the convoluted stuff was that Salvation, Genisys and Dark Fate were all movies that could have been the first in a series, except that they made two reboots instead of any further sequels.

[@Renegade2786]

To tell you the truth I liked the concept of Dark Fate, because I refuse to believe that there only one man in the world, that had the balls to stand up against Skynet and train other people to fight. And taking out that one guy, would have prevent the human resistance from forming. No, there could have been many John Connors in the wind. Whether they were females, males, black, whyte, Christian or Muslims. Taking out John Connor wouldn't have stop human resistance, only postpone it. The human resistance is inevitable. *my nice reference to T-800 saying the same thing about Skynet in T3*

[@robertdearie8915]

I thought I read somewhere this was supposed to be a trilogy that was to tie up the loose ends and all the questions about who sent Arnold back and stuff but didn’t do so well in the box office so it was abandoned

[@danielwilliamson6180]

18:11 Great movie. The best Terminator movie since T2. Emilia Clarke was brilliantly cast as Sarah Connor. I don't care what anyone says. I love it! Hasta la Vista, Baby!

[@senorchivo90]

Honestly, the Rick & Morty bit with the time-traveling snakes explains this movie better than this movie explains this movie

[@dcjosh23]

I feel like Dark Fate gets a lot of unnecessary hate. I dont quite understand it, heh. But i'm glad you're pushing through all the movies!

[@Eidlones]

The video "Scientist Man Explains Terminator: Genisys" does a great job of explaining just how convoluted and stupid the plot of the franchise has gotten. The franchise should have ended at 2, because the concept it's based off of only has so much room to grow before it becomes stupid, or steers off so far that's not even the same (See: Newest Jurassic Park movie having nothing to do with dinosaurs). It's a simple concept, executed excellently. Not every story needs, or has a capacity, to be drawn out.