Hollow Knight Boss Discussion - White Defender

[@ezergilechimekazikura6855]

I want to quickly make a note to correct Your statement about WD's bounce attack. He remains in curled up form not for a time period, but until he hist the ground 3 times. Thus, if You are agile enough to keep him in mid-air via slashing, You can defeat him without him ever attacking again or moving to his second phase.

[@PerpetualNoob]

You are correct Ezergile. I wish I had been observant enough to recognize that it was 3 bounces on the ground. I never saw that pattern. But yes, if we're quick enough with our dashes and upward slashes, we can keep White Defender in the air forever. It's a valid tactic. :) Thank you for pointing that out and adding to the discussion. :)

[@ezergilechimekazikura6855]

No problem, Rory, happens with all of us. I am glad to be of use :з also, got to the AR in the Pantheon of Hallownest today. Of cource, she stomped me, and after even 6 hours of constant trying I could not beat her, but still, at least I can practice her now :"D

[@ezergilechimekazikura6855]

Yeah, I kinda expected that and never actually use DS and Hiveblood. My charm set is the same that I use through the pantheon, because, well, after Pure Vessel there is no bench, so no respecking builds My usual combo is Quick Slash, Unbreakable Strengh, Mark of Pride, Dashmaster and Sprintmaster. And sometimes I consider to switch sprintmaster and take Nailmaster Glory in the particular section after Sheo, because Collector is such a bitch.

[@kikones34]

Here's a video of someone doing it, for reference: www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/9cz7rf/white_defender_juggling/

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thanks for the example video kikones! :D

[@phyozinoo1389]

I kind of choked up when I dreamnailed him and see "Isma... I miss ... mis you." He can't even single out one specific thing he miss about her. That is love.

[@PerpetualNoob]

So true Phyo. Ogrim is definitely heartbroken. :(

[@thebaseandtriflingcreature174]

F

[@dorian8x]

If you listen long enough to his snoring you can even hear him call her name in his sleep T_T

[@tb-awesome7318]

and on another note ,that is his thought ,not what he is saying ,imagine how heart broken he is to even can't think clearly

[@sydneymendoza9919]

This line, this line is one of the most realistic scenes of Love in all of modern culture, I can't even explain how beautiful it is that it is REAL Pain, real EMOTION, In so many AAA titles of Modern Gaming, there is barely any emotion, so seeing something so great, so emotional, in a game made by 4 people (Counting Our composer Christopher Larken) it really shows how much love is put into this game, and why it is one of THE BEST Modern Games.

[@emit5586]

Only character who's story and ending genuinely had me in tears. Finding that little statue of the knight in his warren after reading all his dream nail dialogue about his friends actually made me sit there and shed a few tears. Domadomadoma best character, 10/10

[@PerpetualNoob]

Fair. I really hope Ogrim's okay and we find him safe and happy in the Hornet DLC.

[@malakifraize4792]

Perpetual Noob dlc? LOL

[@malakifraize4792]

@@Omaritin I don’t remember making this comment

[@DadesWings]

@@malakifraize4792 mood

[@gaming_turd8063]

Same😭

[@spoopaconhojitas3829]

TPN: i finally defeated White Defender,now its just Grimm and NKG and we're finally done! Team Cherry: are you sure about that? *releases Godmaster*

[@thebaseandtriflingcreature174]

Godseeker:haha,sux 2 be u Hornet:Git Gud,Scrub

[@sm0llqueen289]

FACTS

[@maxwellmegagamer8535]

hornet: GIT GUD

[@balrog9360]

Came here for the boss strategy, didn't expect to get teary about the story of a bug that rolls shit around. Well done, sir.

[@PerpetualNoob]

[@yellow4633]

I just realized he's a dung beetle i'm an idiot

[@PerpetualNoob]

xD

[@Jamesss6]

Yeah my favorite character Domadomadoma

[@PerpetualNoob]

Oobaka!

[@thebaseandtriflingcreature174]

BWAAAAAHHHH HUOUNDDAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

[@mommymustmurder2056]

Dung defender is always happy, even in this form after his death! You cannot help but smiling as you fight both dung and white defender!

[@sydneymendoza9919]

AHHHH PUNNNDDOOOOOOOOOO! *cue music*

[@thischanneldiedlol2234]

Yehahaha!

[@fin5377]

I find these videos fun to watch even if I've already beaten the boss.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Awesome! Thank you Nyges. I'm very happy to hear that. :D

[@imherenow4927]

I’ll never beat a boss

[@Nikowo1610]

MJHappensToBeHere AndMovies mood

[@Ploobyhooobert]

Same

[@trevorpgamer1936]

I'm glad I beat him 5 times I ofcourse I was sad with the story of ogrim but when I left the room for him to make a poop statue I was like RESPECT ✊🏻

[@PerpetualNoob]

Yeah. It was pretty cool of him. :)

[@kitsune4058]

I am watching this so I could prepare for White Defender 2-5 and this is super helpful, I have the Pure Nail, All Mask Shards, all Vessel Fragments, Charm Notches and Charms and I am ready to get that statue Ogrim is my favorite knight and I wish him the best, wherever he went after you beat him

[@PerpetualNoob]

Awesome! Thank you KGG. Good luck! :D I do hope we get to see him again (and he's hopefully doing well).

[@TheUliudo]

Your summary at the end was so heartfelt. What an honor to be a "dirt" statue!

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

Let's call this attack "yeet"

[@ethanawaao1291]

Most people: This boss is too hard! Perpetual Noob: Hold my beer

[@cirnocard5710]

Team cherry: Hold MY beer *proceeds to release God master*

[@jenb2760]

I did White Defender on my 2nd try.

[@tapfever7102]

Hold on, he's a noob, right?! How?!

[@fadedsun303]

I think every boss in this game is fairly designed for the most part, but the devs have a hard on for seeing how long you can endure these fights for a lot of the time. Once you get all the patterns down, it usually just comes down to surviving the onslaught.

[@JoyceW-Art]

I kinda just cheesed my way through this 5 times by using Long Nail, Mark of Pride, Unbreakable Strength and Quick Slash The 'safe' corner spot on the left really helped too And come on...he's such a joy, I often laughed while I was fighting him and was never mad when I 'died'. Much better than Grey Prince Zote for sure Also that whole sequence of you just standing there while White Defender is doing his thing at 10:54 just cracked me up Edit: also about the statue, you don't have to rest at a bench to see it. I was impatient in my playthrough and just climbed out of home only to jump back in and the statue was there. It's both sad and endearing

[@PerpetualNoob]

Nice work Joyce-Art! :D Yeah, he's so much fun to fight against. :) Oh. Interesting. Thanks for catching that. :)

[@Thesaurus_Rex]

I had a lot of fun learning this fight, to the point that I got up to Dung Defender 8 before Lifeblood happened and capped him at 5 (I still had to beat 8 to get his ending though, which was rough). To the point that my first attempt at fighting his Radiant form in the Hall of Gods was a success, because I had fought him so many times before. Quick note about healing: if you can't reach a corner, it's safe to heal right next to the rumbling ground during the final part of "jubilee" attack, as all of the dung balls will go over your head. It is interesting the various things that can be inferred from Ogrim's dialogue and dream nail quotes. It's possible that his dialogue, dream dialogue, and statue after defeating the final White Defender implies that he's passing the torch to the Knight, and that he believe the Knight is worthy of inheriting the title of Great Knight of Hallownest. Ogrim is also likely one of the oldest characters in the game, as his identity, along with the identities of the other four Great Knights, has been lost to history, and is the subject of scholarly inquiry, according to Lemm. Only a few characters, namely the White Lady and -Nailmaster- Paintmaster Sheo seem to know who Ogrim is (Sheo claims to have forgotten Ogrim, but this seems to be out of some disdain for him, as he's sculpting a statue of him as he claims to have forgotten him). Which would seem to imply that the Nail Sage and Nailmasters are also quite old, or at least very well learned in history. He and Hegemol are also the only Great Knights who might survive the game, as Isma and Dryya are already dead, and Ze'mer dies upon completion of her quest, while the fates of Ogrim and Hegemol are left ambiguous. As a side note, we have even more evidence that the Grey Mourner is Ze'mer, as bringing a delicate flower to the White Lady will cause her to muse that the flowers were brought by a knight from a faraway land.

[@PerpetualNoob]

That is a great point Thesaurus Rex: we can sneak 1, maybe 2+ (depending on charms of course), hp healed if we stand just to the side of the dung pile during the end of the Jubilee. And yeah, it is very true. There's so much we can interpret from the dialogue. I do think Ogrim has passed on the mantle of "Great Knight". Though that still begs the question of where he has gone now. And yeah, it does seem like Ogrim must be fairly ancient. Or really strong to keep his mind and memories through the changing of the kingdom. Though why there are no relics that give the names of the Great Knights is still strange, no matter their age. I do hope we get closure to both Ogrim and Hegemol's stories someday. :) Huh. That's an interesting point about the delicate flower. Good call. :)

[@Thesaurus_Rex]

I really wish we had a better timescale for the events before the game. How recently did Hallownest fall? Elderbug, who can't be that young, given his name, seems to have been born after the fall of Hallownest, but there are some characters, like Emilitia, Ogrim, Old Stag, and Seer, who would seem to have lived through the fall of the Kingdom. Did it fall the bug equivalent of hundreds of years ago, or only a few decades?

[@PerpetualNoob]

I agree Rex. I'd love to have even some inkling of an idea of the timeline for this game.

[@nycator6166]

I hate it that the dungballs can get stuck in the corners during his fight in the godhome - where I am supposed to heal now! :(

[@PerpetualNoob]

Fair enough Nycator. That can be a really annoying glitch. I think we can still destroy those balls but, for maximum efficiency, that requires precious Soul for healing.

[@EnderMan59]

I come with good news, this glitch has been fixed!!

[@vish5942]

i guess not huh

[@kyoswimm]

Mm, I'd like to think Ogrim went off to find the other Knights, dead or alive. Who knows, maybe he found Hegemol and is having a grand old time. Maybe.

[@PerpetualNoob]

I hope so! :D

[@diegopeart]

One of the hardest, but most honorable adversaries in the game. Despite losing to him so many times, I can't not smile at his shouting and guffawing. His story is also interesting. I never got past WD 2, so it was nice to see what happens after WD5. thanks for this.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Yeah. It's such a fun time to fight Ogrim.

[@bmobmo6438]

I've seen someone take down White Defender by getting him to ball up in the Jubilee attack, then volleyball him in the air so he can't bounce. He need to bounce 3 times to uncurl, so you can stunlock him to death if you juggle him right.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Yeah, when analyzing the Jubilee, I never caught that it was 3 bounces against the ground to trigger WD to stop bouncing. So it's true: if you can move fast enough and/or dash often enough, you can keep White Defender airborne forever until he's defeated. :)

[@KingJus122]

I'm watching this in class, no regrets

[@PerpetualNoob]

It's still teaching things so you're still learning. It's fine. xD

[@stylesnivy1839]

You...should probably still pay attention in class.that being said this was a year ago so uh...

[@Yety245]

wonder where he is now?

[@KingJus122]

@@Yety245 Online class, and I’m still watching KZbin instead of learning : )

[@orpharax609]

This channel deserves more attention

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thank you for saying so Orpharax. You are so kind. :D

[@orpharax609]

Perpetual Noob dude I'm just happy to meet a fellow hollowkmight gamer, let alone someone who knows like EVERYTHING about each and every boss. Like that radiance vid you did? I spent days trying to beat her, and watched ur vid, beat her first try

[@PerpetualNoob]

I am so happy to hear that Orphanax! Thank you! Nice job defeating her! :D

[@Rapooh]

i really love Ogrim's lore

[@PerpetualNoob]

I do too Gengar. :)

[@ziomah8648]

It may have been long since this video was posted but thanks to it I came from struggling with defender 3 to beat defender 4 in 3 tries and defender 5 in the first one. Thank you really much for the confidence this kind of guide provides.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Good job! I am so happy to hear that this guide helped! :D

[@Twisted_Logic]

Ogrim is the best bug. Pour one out for Dung Bro.

[@boarhatfisher9701]

Oh my friend may you find your path and regain what was once yours

[@lux5232]

WD hyper mode is almost like he drank caffeine during the shout

[@lucasjaramillovargas9422]

Lol true

[@littledrawr]

Yeeaaaahhh new video! Your really good at this which is why I watch your videos when I’m do boss fights or I just watch your videos because it’s really good

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thank you LittleAngel! :D

[@littledrawr]

No problem

[@ultr4tr1ps]

A good charm build of mine that I've found helpful for all bosses who deal two hits of damage (provided you have basic knowledge of the boss's attacks and 9 hit points) is to make use of Overcharming yourself, equipping (IN THIS ORDER) Grubberfly's Elegy, Quick Slash, Longnail, Fury of the Fallen, and Fragile/Unbreakable Strength. This way, you trade frailness and not being able to heal for making the most efficient use of Grubberfly's Elegy. This build means that you will have the Grubberfly beams on you for the majority of the fight, since you are at one of three places in terms of health: Full health, 5 health and 1 health. Fury of the Fallen triggers the Grubberfly beams again at 1 health, making them stronger than ever, and this combined with Quick Slash and Fragile/Unbreakable Strength means that you will be draining the boss's health as fast as possible, making this a quicker fight.

[@PerpetualNoob]

True enough Pickle. And if you were watching closely, you'll see a few clips where that was exactly what I was using. However, I never beat WD with it so I cut my discussion about that charm combination. However, if you are able to avoid damage after activating FotF, you are devastatingly strong. :) Just didn't work for me. :)

[@ultr4tr1ps]

Oh wow! I guess I wasn't watching too closely, but it is crazy strong! It's really the only reason I was able to beat Nightmare King Grimm on Ascended..

[@PerpetualNoob]

Fair enough Pickle. Well done on that victory! :D

[@ultr4tr1ps]

Just beat him on Radiant and it's the best feeling you could ever ask for. Thank you for these videos! They're so well-done and helpful, and you're the only HK content creator I know that covers both the gameplay AND lore without being a Top 10 clone channel. No wonder the Wiki features your content. ;)

[@TheAdvertisement]

Also I can’t stop jamming the the White Defender theme it’s so powerful!

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Great vid, thanks for the insight! One of if not the best boss in the game! I think it saved my buddy's playthrough from him quitting.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thank you. :D And that's awesome! I love Ogrim. Such a jovial character. :)

[@nathanko6654]

Ogrim is such a badass name

[@FourEyesYT]

Hell yeah, been looking forward to this one for a while, especially with you mentioning it now and then when you fought him in Godhome. I think this is your best one yet, especially with how you went into a lot greater detail in your tactics this time around! Out of the two Hidden Dreams DLC, I feel White Defender is the more fun and fair of the two. I had less trouble fighting him than I did with Grey Prince Zote, and that could partially be down to how contagious Ogrim's upbeat attitude is for it. Having beaten every boss Radiant in Hall of Gods, I can safely say he's one of my top 5 favourite boss fights. It's a shame the lore surrounding him is so depressing, but I think that's what makes his positive nature feel so much more charming. Though I disagree with his positive attitude being a mask to hide his pain, it isn't an unfair assumption to make, honestly. It's a common way of coping with depression and tragedy, but given how devoted Ogrim is to being a Knight, I feel like his positive attitude is a sign of his strength of character. He keeps looking forward despite how much he laments on past regrets. Though that might be a more outward look on the character instead of examining who he is, I want it to believe he's carrying his burdens while genuinely preserving his happiness.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thanks Four Eyes! :D I agree: I think White Defender is less crazy a fight than Grey Prince Zote. And I hope that you're right: that Ogrim is legitimately happy in spite of his tragic history. :)

[@sunsethourglass4406]

Hey, I just wanted to thank you for making these videos; you've helped me a lot with every boss that I find growing trouble with! For example, Lifeblood updated Traitor Lord, your video helped me beat him, and I don't think I could have ever been prepared until I saw your video. So, once again, thank you Perpetual Noob, for making these Hollow Knight boss videos. It means a lot!

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thank you for watching Sunset. And I am so happy to hear that these guides have been helping! That means so much to me! :D

[@wendigobane4581]

This was an excellent video, but, on the topic of where Ogrim has gone, I do believe he'll be making his comeback in the Hornet DLC. A knight of such great power and honor... He likely left to see things for himself so that he may finally bring himself to his senses and bring forth the power his dreams revealed. Even if I'm reaching now, I daresay Ogrim might come to be to Hornet as Hornet was for us, as who would know more about Hallownest than the Pale King's most loyal subject?

[@PerpetualNoob]

I really hope so Wendigo. That would be so cool to see Ogrim in the Hornet DLC. :D

[@cymbient2972]

So since Godmaster launched this series is far from over huh? -Please tell me you're gonna discuss the DLC's bosses, i'd love to hear your thoughts about them!-

[@yellow4633]

This is a DLC boss.

[@cymbient2972]

I was talking about Godmaster's bosses too

[@PerpetualNoob]

Don't worry. :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/faOYqYCebLCVhNk

[@Gagarinaut]

Noob Dante here! Another well done strategy guide that truly deserves a larger audience.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Hello Dante! Thank you! :D

[@Gagarinaut]

You're welcome!

[@limonero8757]

24:20 Couldn't take it... I just cried

[@PerpetualNoob]

I understand Limonero. I really hope Ogrim's story ends happily. Maybe we'll get to befriend him in the Hornet DLC. At least, that's what I'm hoping.

[@limonero8757]

@@PerpetualNoob Knowing Team Cherry I'm afraid we'll find him dead somewhere just like Isma

[@PerpetualNoob]

Most likely. :'(

[@pelieskola5708]

I definently hope the hornet dlc is gonna open up other charaters than hornets story more also. Ogrim would be really interesting.

[@Khaddo91]

Love your videos and the format you have to discuss each boss and how to fight them. Keep up the good work!

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thank you Chewey! And thank you for watching! :D

[@stevenescobar3247]

It was a jolly good cooperation.

[@PerpetualNoob]

It was indeed steven. :)

[@KK_Draws_Stuff]

This fight looks crazy, so great job in breaking it down and putting time in on it Im also amazed you never used the obvious caption even once when you got struck by the dung balls "Ah shit"

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thank you Bushido! I'm happy you enjoyed this guide. :D And yeah, that is a brilliant caption. Main reason why I didn't was because I keep the guides free of swears so that everyone can watch them. :) But yes, that caption is hilarious and brilliant. :D

[@fin5377]

I had a strange dream last night. There was a new hollow knight update and it added a weird wyrm boss, but I could only play as a very tall moth creature or captain falcon.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Interesting dream. Maybe some day we will get to fight a giant Wyrm. Also: Falcon...PAUNCH! xD

[@rootbourne4454]

My day is officially ten times better! I've been excited for this one. Dung Defender has always been one of my favorite bosses so I'm glad we got this awesome fight! Also I just lost my first steal soul run to traitor lord so this is a well needed pick up.

[@PerpetualNoob]

I'm so happy I could help make your day better Palpitoad! :D Sorry about the Steel Soul run. :/

[@Khud0]

Although it's a video about tactics, it is also the most comprehensive guide on how to find this guy! :D Thanks!

[@Seiyol]

I similiarly had a lot of trouble getting his refights done. When I was forced to beat him in one hit for radiant difficulty in godhome though, that's when he finally clicked for me. Learning the specifics of his burrowing behavior during his second phase and getting in the habit of using descending dark (when I wasn't feeling good about the bouncing balls) made all the difference. Oh and Abyss Shriek too, in the same way you used it actually. Ultra helpful.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Very cool Brad. :)

[@권용대-b5v]

Long-awaited boss discussion video!!!

[@aaronpokedexter3664]

thank you this really helped, before this i was trying on level 3, 4, and 5 for about 3 hours

[@PerpetualNoob]

I'm so glad this helped! 😃 And thank you for saying so! 😃

[@totallynuts7595]

that safe place is magic.Thanks for helping me *ascend* =))

[@PerpetualNoob]

Awesome Vladimir! I'm so happy this guide helped! :D

[@sydneymendoza9919]

ogrim, what a great lad.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Right? Such a good Knight. I'd love to see him in Silksong. :)

[@sydneymendoza9919]

@@PerpetualNoob One of the characters I believe can actually return Is grim (do to going to "new Lands"), along with Corny And Iselda (Because MAPPING!), and maybe Mister Mushroom as a joke.

[@subprogram32]

I'm kinda glad they capped these fights to 5, Grey Prince at least had extra attacks to add to his fights and didn't scale the damage straight away so keeping all ten of those fights were more justified at least! And with Godhome's radiant mode, having super-high damage versions of WD is kinda redundant at this point anyway. XD

[@PerpetualNoob]

I agree subprogram. White Defender's progression was a little less involved than GPZ's so yeah, stopping at 5 was pretty nice (also made it easier for me xD). :)

[@subprogram32]

Also ahh I can't wait for you to beat the final DLC so I can share a minor not very serious theory thing I have about it! :P

[@PerpetualNoob]

I can't wait to finish Godmaster either. And I can't wait to hear your theory. :D

[@subprogram32]

:3

[@arcthe3rd933]

I love the battle theme. It sounds... majestic.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Agreed. :)

[@RyanPlayz-ut3pl]

OMG this is so helpful thank you

[@PerpetualNoob]

You're so welcome Ryan! And I'm so happy to hear this helped you. :D

[@aquamarinerose5405]

I'd say with the discussion of whether his optimism is genuine or forced. I believe that it's somewhere in between.. As much as I hate to just throw a quote from another game in, I think the concept of the "Tortured Crusader" fits him perfectly. _Though tortured crusaders may be beaten and battered, body, mind, and soul, they still somehow continue through torment and hardship. Despite setbacks and impossible odds, they shine like candles even in the darkest times. Somewhere in their minds, they realize that they can’t win in the end, but this only strengthens their resolve to fight for what is right, rather than giving in to hopelessness._

[@PerpetualNoob]

That sounds like an apt description of Ogrim. Thanks for sharing. 🙂

[@theawickward2255]

Really, it's no wonder White Defender hits so hard; he's a dream boss, fought in a place where emotions and thoughts play more of a role than might (see Grey Prince Zote). Ogrim is literally hitting you in the feels.

[@bisaillion]

As a fellow upbeat and positive person, he's not putting on a facade to deceive people. It's a way of staying emotionally connected to the times when things were better. But the pain is deep still.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Ah. Okay. 🙂

[@localfoolthecreature]

The Pale King must’ve really liked meatballs. I’ll go now. Bye (👋•-•) Edit: the original joke was so bad I’m editing it

[@PerpetualNoob]

xD

[@whitekittyamberheart7241]

Only if they have buzzsaws inside.

[@2yoyoyo1Unplugged]

He... he made a poop statue of us. :,)

[@PerpetualNoob]

Right? How sweet of him. Ogrim is such a great bug. :)

[@vikavolt11]

Top 5 sounds in Hollow Knight 5.Grimm screech 4.Gruberish 3.Explosions 2.Dung Defender's war cry 1.Zote the Mighty

[@Mangosjoraa]

Oh yesssss an upload. Can you please do the uumuu in godhome? I want to delete the game because of that fight

[@PerpetualNoob]

I will when I discuss the 3rd and 5th Pantheon's Yap. :)

[@hammiemoment]

dude just hit the jellyfish into it when it's in front of it

[@vish5942]

why it's kinda easy if you're fast enough with decent rng or manipulate the rng by only allowing the explosive jellyfish to spawn in one place use a spell to hit it while it's close to uumuu basically watch a speedrun and steal their tactics lol

[@pigeonsalad8995]

yandere waifu yap is talking about the godmaster uumuu

[@parkerbeck2335]

I can use vengeful spirit to hit the jellyfish on the opposite side of uumuu

[@a.kaanalkan8573]

You could name the dung toss attack doma doma doma and triple spike attack oobaka

[@WalkingFishTaco]

I just had a thought, who's dung is white defender swimming around in and throwing at you? Dung defender makes sense because he's in the sewer, white defender is in the white palace. Is he gathering from a royal port-a-potty or something? Btw I really enjoy your videos. The parts where you put words when you get hit are just pure entertainment and I love it. Keep up the good work.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thank you for the kind words HollowEnthusiast. :) Also, that is a very good question. I have no answer. xD

[@anamelesscommenter9700]

Hey, Perpetual Noob! While watching a speedrun of one of the pantheons, I learned something kinda terrifying. In case you don't know, try spamming the attack button during a cyclone slash.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thank you Nameless Commenter! :D I do know what happens if we mash the attack button with Cyclone Slash: it goes crazy and we hit a whole bunch of times. It's kind of like some fighting game super moves in that way. :)

[@thebaseandtriflingcreature174]

ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAOROAORA

[@ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg]

I know you might know this, but just in case you or anyone doesn't know The spin nail art can be extended if you keep pressing attack. it helps a lot when you want to dell damage to bosses and sometimes it doesn't xD

[@PerpetualNoob]

That is true Thiago. :) And I think we could maybe extend Cyclone Slash a little bit against White Defender but not to it's full duration because he will do some other attack before it finishes.

[@looptrack3000]

"Barely seems to notice you."

[@cereiul]

What I learned from this battle: *CORNERS ARE OP* Edit: Never mind, Ogrim has learned my hiding place. Wish me luck

[@PerpetualNoob]

Good luck. I hope the corners still helped. 🙂

[@nobody-xt9cu]

XD

[@GeneralJaydonius]

Howling Wraiths / Abyss Shriek is a life saver for this fight. Simply because of its trajectory above you and the size of it. And doing it at the right time can delete all the dung balls + 120 damage is combined with the Shaman Stone.

[@mrnavycrusher]

i feel like bosses know where im going before i know im going there

[@PerpetualNoob]

I feel this comment so hard.

[@blackmaskly3585]

Sorry I'm late, was in school! Let me speak rage dung for a moment: M'BAKA!!M'BAKA!!M'BAKA!!!YA-HA-HA!DOMA DOMA DOMADOMADOMA!!! FAAAAARRRFUNDAAAA!! That said, I enjoyed how in depth you got in terms of what went on behind the scenes during this boss fight, and thought it to be a good way of dealing with any difficult boss fight, Hollow Knight or not. I also think that Ogrim's story is really Grimm, for a jovial guy, and honestly reminds me of Sans (from Undertale) in terms of acting happy but it being possibly artificial. I wanted to point out my charm combo (from what I remember). Unbreakable Strength and Mark of Pride were as helpful as always, and I want to say I had Quick Focus, but I genuinely don't remember, it's been so long. But, I think Sharp Shadow was the key to my success, as it allowed me to dodge attacks while simultaneously dealing damage, which is helpful during the Dung Dive and the Spike Slam (with proper timing). Just food for thought. Finally, I wanted to say that if someone makes a western remix of White Defender/Dung Defender/Both, it totally needs to be named Defender Jubilee. Excited for the spooky season bosses! Sincerely, Will (Edit: sorry for the long response)

[@PerpetualNoob]

No worries Will. Thank you for the lovely comment. :) Yeah. I've been trying to use that process of simply learning bosses first and fighting later for more and more fights. It's helping and I love sharing my journey with each boss (mainly to highlight that no, this boss wasn't easy for me either). :) And yeah, I'm really wondering if Ogrim is just putting up a mask. Which makes his story all the more sad. Thanks for sharing your charm loadout. Even if that wasn't exactly what you used (due to your memory), it's a really great setup. And Sharp Shadow can certainly help provide some extra damage. :)

[@silksong7277]

I can't wait to defeat this boss. I really love this character and want to do the battle justice. I made it to the 4 heart damage level but I got to get better at dodging the boulders. I also need to work up on not getting chocked up too. So many tragic characters. I find myself getting so attached to them it hurts to know and not know what all they went through. 😭💔

[@PerpetualNoob]

I hear you Kristina. I tear up every time I even hear the Hollow Knight's theme. This game is so wonderful.

[@silksong7277]

Perpetual Noob I beat Ogrim today! I took a break and went at it today and finally beat him after countless attempts. Even though it took an arm and a leg it was well worth it! By the end I could defeat him without taking a hit. Just sad that I can’t see him anymore. I am almost done with the game but I want to fight all the bosses so I guess next up is Zote, the Coliseum of Fools’ Third Trail, and Path of Pain, then finally the Radiance. I really don’t want this game to end.

[@PhantomLily1677-]

The white defender was my favourite fight in the whole game

[@Snoopi25]

I just attempted this boss, and I got him on my 5th attempt. My problem was 1. Dashing in the wrong direction, and 2. too close to his face when he makes the dung balls... I spaced myself out a bit and was a bit more calm and took him out. Every single fight, he does his scream when less than 50% HP is left, and it always felt like I nailed him so many times afterwards, that I died 1-2 nails away form beating him. I eventually beat him, and like you said, sticking to the ground is wise. I haven't jumped as much at all, because if I would jump for a desolate dive, I would miss it somehow and still get hit. Abyssal Shriek didn't really work for me, prolly cause I wasn't casting it in the right spot. What worked for me was thousands of nails to the face, and spamming shade soul. Quickslash, Spell Twister, Shaman Stone, and Mark of Pride were my charms. I think I found this combo to be my new favorite.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Great job Snoopy! :D

[@Jack-sq4eg]

Thanks I was so confused when he started talking to me

[@TheAdvertisement]

Ok but technically this makes Ogrim a white knight.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Yes? I'd guess every Great Knight was also considered a Pale Knight or White Knight in reference to the Pale King.

[@tyriqueatabong5480]

The End broke my heart when I first heard it

[@aBanabis]

so I started white defender yesterday. the third one took me about an hour maybe a half hour. I basically had to learn to use spells, particularly wraiths on him. Up until now I've only ever been using the nail for everything. Like, all my charms have always been for the nail. Unbreakable Strength, Mark of Pride, Quick Slash, Nail Master's Glory, and Steady Body.. I've used that for pretty much everything. For the third version, I switched to using spells, incorporating soul eater and shaman's stone along with mark of pride. After beating him, I didn't even try to do the 4th one. I figured it was going to be an undertaking, so I waited till tonight. I'm using Soul Eater, Shaman Stone, Spell Twister, Spring Master, and Nailmaster's Glory. Cyclone Slash + Soul Eater seems to work very well. I ended up beating the 4th version just now on like.. my 5th try. Took no time at all lol. Like, 4th version was easier than the 3rd version because I learned to incorporate Cyclone Slash for soul into my build, and it just freaking owns. I can fill up an entire bar with one cyclone slash if I tap it. I'm assuming Soul Eater works with it, because I don't remember Cyclone Slash being this good on its own. It's a good build! I mean, just the one charm notch is enough for a nail build, cuz the nail arts don't get buffed by mark of pride, unbreakable strength or quick slash. It's so good.

[@aBanabis]

and 5th version just took me about 10 tries, 15 minutes or so. yeah Cyclone Slash + Soul Eater is just good man. 3 hits I get half a bar, 6 hits I get full bar. It's crazy good.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Cool build! Well done beating all 5 versions! 😃

[@prismaticlol]

Also if you do Desolate Dive at the right time (about to go up) when he’s in ground you can cancel the dung balls

[@PerpetualNoob]

True. That also works with Abyss Shriek. 🙂

[@prismaticlol]

@@PerpetualNoob oh yeah I forgot abyss works too

[@PerpetualNoob]

No worries. 🙂

[@Z3r0_g]

Yeah, I know I’m very late but I have a rather bittersweet theory on where Ogrim went after making the Knight dung statue. I believe that Ogrim might’ve passed away. When you think about it, he was a very old being who had passed down the torch of protector to The Knight and was implied to have realized deep down that the Pale King and the other knights weren’t coming back, I think it makes sense that he would pass on after finding this peace after all these years. After all, we have seen this trope play out with several other characters in the game before: Seer, The Grey Mourner, and (more than likely) Quirrel (and probably some other characters that I forgot to mention). As sad as it is that we probably lost him, I think it’s a nice end to his story: at peace and reunited with the others in death.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Yeah, I agree. I think he probably heads to Isma's Grove to die where she lays. 😢

[@Veilfire]

Jeez, if White Defender has this much health, then imagine how much health the original Hegemol would have had we fought him :|

[@PerpetualNoob]

All I'm picturing is Vegeta screaming, "IT'S OVER 9000!" XD

[@atem420]

easily the second saddest boss in all of Hollow Knight because of his dream nail dialogue.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Agreed. Poor Ogrim. :(

[@pelieskola5708]

You know... i would have been in love if we would have fighted each of the five knights and heard compensations between ogrim and each of them. It would have revealed even more from the knights and would have made this dlc MUCH more interesting.

[@PerpetualNoob]

I would have loved to get more Great Knight lore too Peli. :)

[@onij_]

i had loved dung defender sxo much that i beat him more than 10 times and beat defender one first try

[@PerpetualNoob]

Nice! :)

[@theidiotwinter4716]

“With all his friends gone” Ze’mer: Uh… Waiiiii!

[@PerpetualNoob]

😭

[@jeonghunoh208]

The charm set I used for WD5 was Heart, Fury of the Fallen, Grubberfly’s Elegy, Quick Slash, and Strength.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Nice! 😃

[@Lucanoptek]

*sad Doma noise*

[@memeinquisitor9171]

That poor dung beetle :(

[@PerpetualNoob]

Right? :'(

[@TheSuperJCN]

I just want to mention that dream nail is an excellent charm for this fight: it can keep you safe from bouncing dung balls while you heal, it hursts WD even while he is undergroung and (although its hard to time) it can destroy all the balls from the ground burst atrack as soon as they spawn underground so none go out EDIT: Wow, first time my comment gets noted by the channel, thank you Perpetual Noob

[@PerpetualNoob]

Huh. I never knew Dreamshield could hit White Defender when he was underground. That's a cool trick! Thanks for sharing what worked for you. 🙂

[@jupitermonkey5687]

"spike slam attack" you mean the kopaka attack?

[@bubulled]

nice vid! ty!

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thank you for watching and letting me know you liked the guide! 😃

[@jarednewman7823]

Why I will never defeat WD 5: I don't want Ogrim to leave.

[@PerpetualNoob]

Fair enough Siege. I totally understand. I was so sad when he disappeared.

[@thebaseandtriflingcreature174]

He'll be back,he's having a delightful walk.

[@sultan_3864]

You could deslilate dive when he burrows down but exactly ontop of it where he’s digging and he will come out flailing around

[@PerpetualNoob]

This does not work against White Defender. It works against Dung Defender.

[@brasingt]

Can you do one on NKG? This was crazy helpful.

[@PerpetualNoob]

I can and I am. It's in production already. :) I'm so happy you found this guide helpful brasingt! :D

[@HotBlasterBot]

Can't wait for the Nightmare King Grimm video! Good luck!

[@PerpetualNoob]

Thanks BBB. :)

[@BlackReshiram]

I MISS HIM EVERYDAY

[@pralenkaman8105]

I don't know if you knew this but if you mash the attack button during cyclone slash you can get up to 5 hits that do full damage helped a lot in the colosseum of fools maybe it would be helpful to somebody too or even for your future vídeos just something I found out

[@PerpetualNoob]

It is true Prunhanha. I don't know if it's completely safe in this fight but it certainly is a possibility for maximizing our damage. :)

[@grimm9349]

I hope you discuss me next because I’m dying to see a video all about me.

[@PerpetualNoob]

I shall be Troupe Master. :)

[@grimm9349]

Perpetual Noob excellent.

[@nixisspawn5959]

His story is kinda sad and made me want to cry 😭

[@PerpetualNoob]

Yeah. Poor Ogrim. 😞

[@jasonreinherz7164]

I actually did not know the dong defender was sleeping I thought he was dead

[@PerpetualNoob]

Oh. Well I'm glad I was able to give you some happy news. 🙂

[@lordofshades9852]

I'm already on defender 5 and it's my first day fighting him

[@PerpetualNoob]

Well done. :)

[@lordofshades9852]

@@PerpetualNoob *why do all the people I love leave me....OGRIM!COME BACK!*

[@zetsokuro2614]

when he's sleeping if you stand and listen he says isma in his sleep

[@redsprinkle]

ohhh man i didnt realise it was a grey zote kind of situation lol; i got so excited that i beat him just to realise you can fight him 4 more times. I will though because my monkey brain wants the poop statue :DDD Also... I really wish the dung defender would accept a delicate flower or something! I wonder if he is aware that Ze'mer (the grey mourner) is still out there? I wish they could meet and find at least some small comfort in the fact that they could talk about their loved ones who they miss together yknow? :(

[@PerpetualNoob]

Gosh yeah. Ogrim deserves a flower.

[@bungle9719]

2:20 he is saying guacala which is Spanish for disgusting

[@PerpetualNoob]

Oh cool! Thank you for sharing that. :D

[@falcon4711]

Who else noticed that the white defender in the thumbnail looks he is about to dab?