Honda E vs Peugeot E-208: Shootout | Fifth Gear

[@AaronCocker]

Probably didn't help that the Honda was down to 9% when you raced, cars should be fully charged again before racing to be fair to them both.

[@markwilliams5654]

9% battery hot lap what's wrong with you lot

[@danam0228]

I know right? It goes on battery saver mode doesn't it? Like stupid phones?

[@carlmarkwyatt]

You'd be faster in a conventional car with a partially full tank as it keeps the weight down.... Guess it's the same with EVs ;⁠-⁠)

[@BHBeckenbauer]

This show is so frustrating. They need presenters who know about EVs

[@callumbriggs3372]

Could not agree more at least make sure it has enough battery to let the motor at least have enough food to use. 9% is nothing to a battery

[@Adamlllllllllllljjjljljjjjj]

@@carlmarkwyatt Haha, please tell me your being sarcastic😂😂

[@christophejergales7852]

I'm a hatchback lover. I hope the weight comes down eventually for these mini tanks. I especially love the look of the Honda.

[@clarksonoceallachain8536]

Just get a kei car

[@darrenwallis7630]

What a pointless review - complaining that a city car hasn’t got any ‘get up & go’ after 60mph… it’s not a track car ffs…

[@espenjohansen8074]

so a guy who doesnt know how to set up his seating position complains about cars used for racing when they are not racing cars. what a totally irrelevant test.

[@AbsoluteWoo]

Tell me you went into this review having already made your mind up without telling me.

[@georgeoliver8300]

One thing he didn’t mention is that the Honda has double wishbone rear suspension which is wildly over engineered for a city car

[@toyotaprius79]

Over engineered, overly focused on profit and competing upmarket

[@davidcoveney]

McPherson strut, which is still unusual in such a car but it works well and feels great to drive.

[@AbsoluteWoo]

Reading this comment section, where have some people got the idea from that Hondas are super premium cars? Laughable.

[@sovcat8671]

Still prefer my e-208 GT. I didn't buy it for the track, and the interior is premium. I find the acceleration for me is plenty for nipping in and out of roundabouts with confidence.

[@XgiannettoX]

i got one on a subscription model, i pay 368 euros for all but for charging

[@bubbsboy]

yea i love mine

[@backupintheday9710]

Honda are asking a few grand too much at least. The Range is also poor.

[@thedrivebygg]

Love the look inside and out of the Honda e

[@iDennis95]

I think the small electric cars really miss the point. It could be affordable but no, there has to be 20 screens, camera mirros and tech you don't need.

[@davidperry7128]

Cameras and mirrors may not be needed for you but reversing assistance etc is very useful for those people with reduced capabilities due to age or disability. The point is to reduce pollution, if you want to do that without the extra cost get a lower spec, a budget brand or walk/cycle.

[@pempiukas]

9% ?! why not one with 100% and another with 0% then?

[@make4all2000]

The Peugeot you have was the non-facelift model, the new model has a different gearbox ratio and other changes...

[@frankseverijnen859]

This is the electric model and thus has no gearbox. There will be a 156hp electric model this year though, but I'm not sure if there's a lot on the roads as of yet.

[@make4all2000]

@@frankseverijnen859 seriously? and that single-speed transmission is also called a gearbox, only it has only one ratio

[@frankseverijnen859]

@@make4all2000 Fair enough! Yes, the 156hp model will only be in the GT spec. I ordered mine and it will probably be delivered in September, maybe even a bit sooner!

[@make4all2000]

@@frankseverijnen859 Nice! What size battery?

[@frankseverijnen859]

@@make4all2000 I believe it's a 51kwh battery, so not that much larger. But due to the more efficient engine the net capacity is 46kwh off the top of my head. The effective range is increased to 400km wltp.

[@star_man]

It's just my personal opinion and preference but I think the Honda is really ugly, especially the stupidly massive black flap at the front.

[@marklambert2750]

I don’t see the point in this test, as both are town cars not track cars 👎🏼

[@jonathonedwards6741]

They’re great but I don’t think either will be replacing my swift sport anytime soon

[@davidperry7128]

Keep polluting!

[@uk7866]

Honda E design is just awesome

[@f.ludovico3105]

Not really

[@ParanormalSaints]

Put the E208 in sports mode mine flys round the streets, the Honda looks ugly the 208 looks very sporty in comparison, mines the GT model with 156HP

[@joshb7415]

why would I care how fast an electric hatchback goes around a track, grow up

[@mikadavies660]

I have to admit, the design of the Honda is really good... But £4,000 more for half the mileage.... Its a deal breaker! Years ago I had a Renault Kangoo EV with the same 120 mile range and it was hopeless travel 30 miles from home and you get scared.... Not knowing you will be able to return. As 120 miles range is never more than 80 in real life!!

[@magnum7068]

It's actually 161 miles not 229 as they claimed 4,000 for a solid reliable japanese car better exterior & interior and more fun to drive, the guy clearly didn't like driving that Peugeot.

[@BoatLoadsofDope]

​​​@@magnum7068o no those are kilometers, not miles. A Honda E does 205 km at best in summer and around 160 km in winter. Aka 129 - 100 miles and that is with heaters off. With heater on it'll at best do 80 - 90 miles in cold weather.

[@davidperry7128]

@@magnum7068 The 208 range have excellent reliability and the build quality is streets ahead of the Honda. The reviewer is conforming to lazy preconceptions of French cars, interestingly he calls understeer fun in the Honda but criticises the Peugeot for the same trait.

[@jaisabai4155]

A completely pointless exercise.

[@VALIS538]

Looking forward to watching your stand up on Netflix

[@nio_mind]

どちらが楽しいか、感性を刺激したのはホンダだったようですね。

[@thayolx]

運転するときは楽しめることが一番なのでは

[@Octocoupler]

How could anyone buy that Honda with that pathetic range.

[@petevr]

Just for the driving fun, did 40000 km in mine over the last 16 months....

[@Chester-UK]

Because we don't need the range in ours. Even 70-80 mile range in sub-zero temperatures is fine. Then ~120 miles in the summer is a bonus. 15K+ miles done, never looked back.

[@Lonelyplanet3]

They should rename this Top gear.

[@davidkramrisch]

Try the corsa e gs line if you prefer a more conventional interior and steering wheel than the quirky e208….

[@sharkstergames]

Seems logical to put these two cars around a track to compare sporting credentials, surely thats what everyone looks for in an EV.....

[@Diecastclassicist]

I have a Honda. I wish I had a Peugeot.

[@maartenyzer4121]

use to..

[@whitewalker9622]

Love the cockpit!

[@davidwebster3948]

Isn't that the advance Honda e they putting up against the 208? Because that has 156bhp?

[@Chester-UK]

The clue is the 16" wheels and no 240V socket. The Advance has PS4 tyres, and that alone would have been enough to beat the e208 on track but the extra power would have put some distance in too. Considering it was up against the GT, it's an unfair test but I blame Honda because they should have supplied an Advance. Their PR dept needs a serious rethink.

[@davidwebster3948]

@@Chester-UK if you look carefully at 3:06 you can see the dash and steering wheel, with the 220v socket peaking out, the heated steering wheel button on wheel, and the parking pilot button on the dash which only came on the Advance model. As for the wheels, my 2020 E Advance came with 16" wheels for some reason too. I'd say the combo of skinnier wheels and the weight of the glass roof had a big part to play in not getting around corners fast enough.

[@Chester-UK]

@@davidwebster3948 Got it. Still the 16" wheels came with Yokohama BluEarth tyres, not a patch on 17" PS4 tyres on track. Never under-estimate the difference tyres make.

[@davidperry7128]

The new Peugeot is 156 hp, slightly bigger battery and more efficient motor, so even bigger range

[@JackWeed-nm1vq]

The Honda has been a flop and will not receive a next gen. The 208 meanwhile is a best seller.

[@JoriDiculous]

The Peugeot looks like a Peugeot. The Honda is like nothing else, and it looks cool and fun.

[@kd1s]

I'm assuming the E in both the Honda and the Peugeot are electric? They sure sound it.

[@ciaranm8772]

A rather poor review that. The shootout shouldn’t be subjective, it should be based upon the facts. The Peugeot trumps the Honda in every aspect, especially when it comes to price versus range. The cheaper, faster and longer range Peugeot was clearly the better car and should be the one that was recommended in the review.

[@noneyabizz8337]

One is a Honda and the other isn't...

[@ciaranm8772]

@@noneyabizz8337 So you’d pay extra just for the badge? For a car that will be terminally rotten in 10 years like every other Honda.

[@noneyabizz8337]

@@ciaranm8772 I'd definitely pay more for a Honda than a Peugeot, Honda is much higher quality. If a Honda falls apart for you in 10 years, you're really bad at taking care of cars. And my god, that Peugeot must be scrap in a blink of an eye.

[@thabzmad7265]

@@noneyabizz8337 Ignore, definitely a salty former Honda fiancee! The Honda E was never meant to be mainstream volume selling, more akin to the BMW I30 exclusive collectible designer concept for the few. That said the Japanese collective of Honda, Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi et al need to up their game as the game is about to explode into EV madness being led by the Chinese with the Koreans a bit behind.

[@carlmarkwyatt]

It's typical for car journalists to knock Peugeots for some reason, even when comparing to inferior cars (guess they don't bribe as well as the other manufacturers). That said, I would struggle choosing between these two as they both look great but would prefer to wait for the EV hot hatch segment to mature before making the jump from ICE.

[@silverelgrandlow6298]

I honestly think this review is incredibly biased. Not just in the reviewer but also in the comments. Just because it has a Honda badge does NOT make it a better car automatically. A pathetic range, overpriced pricetag and that really pointless full screen interior is just ridiculous. Double wishbone or not, Honda or not, there is no point recommending the Honda over the 208. And there is certainly no point comparing the e208 to the 205!

[@bubbsboy]

i have an e208 and i think its great round town, quick up to 50-60. You don't need to be doing 75 on a side road

[@TundeEszlari]

Cool video. 😊

[@gtii61]

I would prefer Peugeot e 208

[@kerrysgold1]

That honda is gorgeous

[@espenjohansen8074]

only on the outside

[@davidperry7128]

@@espenjohansen8074 Not even that.

[@saber1827]

Revolt 2023

[@Mexxx65]

yet another FWD VICTORY over a bad rwd car.....

[@Jmcg1959]

The Hondas looks will date very quickly

[@ewadge]

I personally think it’s the exact opposite. The next Peugeot will make the this one look old. I think the Honda e will become a cult classic.

[@aldrinfernandez5392]

I like honda e, and I don't even like ev.

[@saul512]

The Honda e is an amazing, beautiful car with a lot of personality. I love that. Peugeot is a Peugeot, nothing special, just another Peugeot. For me, this Honda is better than the Peugeot.

[@johnduff1010]

No

[@davidperry7128]

The Peugeot is indeed a Peugeot. Better suspension, well proven track record across all drive train formats, the Honda is for the 'look at me, I have an electric car' brigade.

[@saul512]

@@davidperry7128 Everyone has their own opinion. I like reliability and driving dynamics, to be comfortable I stay at home sitting on the sofa drinking a few beers. They are Tastes. 😅

[@toyotaprius79]

The Honda e really is just a hot cynical mess to targeting affluent buyers. It's far from a small car, it dwarfs Toyota's AygoX, and that's already a cynical POS

[@kairikkola]

Lot of paid Honda fan boys commenting here. As you can see on numbers and track, Honda is shit. Half range, more expensive, slower, uglier. And this comes from BMW guy. Z3, E36/E46 coupe owner.

[@Salty3439]

Great video as always 🙂😊😊

[@thezanzibarbarian5729]

I can't get my head around car designers changing ideas that have been around for decades because decades ago, they knew it was the best way to go. So Pugs over the steering wheel dashboard. *Pathetically pointless.* But it's OK if you're a _certain_ height. And unless you are that height, then it doesn't matter what you do, you'll never see the dashboard properly. But if you can see it, then the steering wheels in totally the wrong place. My missus is five foot nothing. And that's on a good day. So she'd never be able to get the steering wheel low enough to see over it. It would have to be removable, wireless, and resting on her lap*. * I just hope I've not opened up a can of worms and some designer is now thinking, _"Hmmm... A wireless steering wheel that sits on the drivers lap? And you wouldn't be able to steal the car without it. An interesting idea..."_

[@mirkozlikovski9553]

hmm... I have P508SW II and I absolutely love its iCockpit... so much that when I drive my other car with "normal" steering wheel, it feels like I'm driving a steamboat 😋! also, my missus is 1.6 m high and has absolutely no problem with dashboard visibility and neither have I (I'm 1.75m).... all that with having the seat not even nearly jacked completely up, or the steering wheel lowered into the lap.... in fact, in my sitting position I still have over an opened palm of space left between the steering wheel and my legs!!! all that with having sitting position practically "by the book" (legs, back, arms position and angles of and between them..) to be fair, the steering wheel feels and is a bit lower than in "normal" cars, but mainly because of its smaller diameter.... its axis is not that drastically lower than the axis of "see through" steering wheels! so, from my first-hand experience, I don't really understand what you are talking about...😌

[@andref8246]

We've two peugeots in the family and love the cockpit design. The wife is 150 cms tall and I'm 180. Neither of us have any issue with the Icockpit.

[@davidperry7128]

Try adjusting the seat.

[@onthebuses]

🥃📡🥃

[@ScottyJ1122]

2 jumped up mobility carts.

[@espenjohansen8074]

something tells me you have never driven a electic car..

[@cameraprepper7938]

I do not like the interior of the Peugeot, the Opel/Vauxhall are much better.

[@ianm4316]

OMG is this the future of motoring videos🚜 fith gear just got like🍆 💧💧💧💧💧 please just shoot me now⚠sigh!

[@dieselscartalk4146]

Good

[@MrGMawson2438]

Very interesting

[@bobknox7164]

I don't care! The Honda wins my heart, the little electric grand-cousin to the original Civic. More EVs need to bring so much character as the Honda e.

[@316CactusJack]

Keep the Plato videos coming, no point watching the other guff