Honda K-Swap Nissan 240SX Track Review

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How does the Honda K24 Kswap Nissan 240SX work on the race track? And does it stack up against the SR20DET? Find out in this track review.
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@speedacademy
@speedacademy 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks to all for the suggestions, we'll be working on figuring out why the pan isn't working as it should, we think it has to do with over baffling. We also have it overfilled during the track outing and it didn't help but this is how we do things, test and then fix!
@ianm432
@ianm432 5 жыл бұрын
Bolt some plexiglass to the pan filled with cooking oil to simulate hot engine oil, a gopro looking into the plexi and replicate the g-forces and study the footage. I don't know how you'll replicate g forces... Minibike spinning a merry go round at a park? Ride the tea cups at Disney? Spin in circles holding it until you barf? Small scale astronaut style centrifuge?
@TheRedzero2000
@TheRedzero2000 5 жыл бұрын
Get an Accusump.
@austin5806
@austin5806 5 жыл бұрын
Baffles are not enough, you need baffles to control and trapdoors to block flow towards the timing chain area. During gforces towards the timing chain area, almost all of the flow must be blocked, during forces away from them they must be allowed with hinged doors and a block off plate. I have had success on my car which pulls around 1.2g's with the original windage tray to prevent frothing, a baffle plate to slow the flow around, and the trap doors to block the oil from all running into the timing area. An accusump type reservoir might help as well in the event of short term failure of oil control systems.
@austin5806
@austin5806 5 жыл бұрын
Here is an image of my setup to give you an idea of what should be suitable. i.imgur.com/15ro6qS.jpg All of these plates must almost touch all edges of the pan.
@sintwo0one
@sintwo0one 5 жыл бұрын
Speed Academy you guys fucking suck...
@hutchdw77
@hutchdw77 5 жыл бұрын
Time for a series on dry sump oil systems...
@austin5806
@austin5806 5 жыл бұрын
Baffle and trapdoor. wont need dry sump. They are probably about to do a video about how to rebuild a k20 with spun bearings, because they did a ton of damage during this video. Also that fuel cutoff needs to be raised in Kpro, the k24a2 is good for 8300 at least.
@stephencain3467
@stephencain3467 5 жыл бұрын
@@austin5806 well it already has baffling and trap doors soo
@dirtslider1997
@dirtslider1997 5 жыл бұрын
FlyTheElephant all thats been done so...
@ghettoflyer
@ghettoflyer 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know if any one still makes them but a swing pick up could be a solution as well. (Swing pick up is free to move around the oil pan. The car turns left, oil goes right, the centrifugal forces excreted on the oil pick up drives it right as well, allowing the oil pick up to stay with the oil.)
@patx35
@patx35 5 жыл бұрын
They intentionally did not go with a dry sump system because buying just the dry sump kit would cost way more than the whole motor itself. It's probably cheaper for them to blow a motor than it is to go dry sump.
@Karza_357
@Karza_357 5 жыл бұрын
This car is so beautiful. Also the backseat is getting wild @ 9:10
@TommyBlazeHD
@TommyBlazeHD 5 жыл бұрын
I noticed it flapping around @4:00 mark as well.
@joeblow9979
@joeblow9979 4 жыл бұрын
It is beautiful
@ChrIStupidX
@ChrIStupidX 5 жыл бұрын
That's a huge problem... General rule of thumb is 10 PSI per thousand RPM.
@1998BmwM3
@1998BmwM3 5 жыл бұрын
The low oil pressure issue may be the reason why the car doesn't feel strong coming out of corners. With low oil pressure vtec won't function right.
@vincevegacustoms754
@vincevegacustoms754 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if they baffled the pan..yes i dont watch all of their vids got kids to feed
@mentals555
@mentals555 5 жыл бұрын
@@vincevegacustoms754 yes they did. I'm sure you spend more than 15 minutes every couple days doing something less worthwhile than watching these videos, maybe it's time to evaluate your priorities
@ASBP12
@ASBP12 5 жыл бұрын
M3NT4L5 speed academy > 15 minutes of doing nothing 😂
@austin5806
@austin5806 5 жыл бұрын
You gotta baffle and trapdoor oil pans on ks if you pull over about 1.1 or 1.2gs towards the timing chain.
@austin5806
@austin5806 5 жыл бұрын
In fwd k's its left turns. In rwd k's its under braking.
@martinhayes5087
@martinhayes5087 5 жыл бұрын
I'd get the oil pressure issue sorted otherwise you'll have a dead k series relatively quickly 😬
@Van_frederick
@Van_frederick 5 жыл бұрын
even at 80 psi?
@mashedpotatoes5323
@mashedpotatoes5323 5 жыл бұрын
@@BEYTEK serious question, would adding more oil hurt anything?
@austin5806
@austin5806 5 жыл бұрын
Yes adding oil above the level of the factory windage tray will cause large amounts of frothing which will cause air bubbles to be pushed through the oil passages which is almost as bad as running totally dry.
@mashedpotatoes5323
@mashedpotatoes5323 5 жыл бұрын
@@austin5806 that makes sense
@austin5806
@austin5806 5 жыл бұрын
I dont know how much more than the full level is above windage for k20a/a2. But they went to a lot of effort to design a great windage tray for it.
@davidbroadbent1878
@davidbroadbent1878 5 жыл бұрын
Pure awesomeness; Loved the Deboss cameo at the end, those guys are champs
@mas921
@mas921 5 жыл бұрын
Man PT is excited!! Really happy for ya guys!
@aytekatik
@aytekatik 5 жыл бұрын
I really wasn't that hyped for this car but you guys are awesome. Well made. I appreciate the content and ideas of you guys
@supercarmio
@supercarmio 5 жыл бұрын
that thing looks like a riot on the track - frikin awesome work fellas.
@kiamaz254
@kiamaz254 5 жыл бұрын
This channel has def become my favorite go to yt channel!! Great content with every upload. Good job guys!
@shadowxps
@shadowxps 5 жыл бұрын
Holy fucking shit, it’s actually happening. After years of waiting. Awesome build guys, really stoked for y’all.
@TheBANDEMIC
@TheBANDEMIC 5 жыл бұрын
damn ur excitement got me excited. this thing rips!!!
@catfisher10100
@catfisher10100 5 жыл бұрын
YESSSS FINALLY!! Congrats on the (almost) finished K240 build!
@PGHdrift
@PGHdrift 5 жыл бұрын
+1 for that hood love that thing. Good job on all you have done. Better than most who never leave the garage.
@thedownshiftchannel
@thedownshiftchannel 5 жыл бұрын
Great work guys can’t wait for my k swap bmw 2002 to come together
@sarahdell4042
@sarahdell4042 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome build. Love that stack cluster
@mlsatke
@mlsatke 5 жыл бұрын
You might try an Accusump system to maintain oil pressure in the lefties.
@runrabbitrunracing
@runrabbitrunracing 5 жыл бұрын
Band aid - fix problem first
@garagecedric
@garagecedric 5 жыл бұрын
Its so satisfying to get your project out after alot of effort, looks super fun to drive. Good luck sorting the niggles! This channel is climbing up to become one of my absolute favorites, great work guys! Btw, try having the lap belt lower against the hip bone, not the soft parts :)
@evolvedsix
@evolvedsix 5 жыл бұрын
Good job guys, nice to see all that work pay off!
@HuntersMoon
@HuntersMoon 5 жыл бұрын
Great to see it finally on the track and already performing well! Hopefully I can get my SR S14 finished for some comparison next summer
@danielkanewske8473
@danielkanewske8473 5 жыл бұрын
Congrats guys.
@Injen1us
@Injen1us 5 жыл бұрын
You guys are such legends. I would love for you to take my GTI around the track next season!
@desmondscook1
@desmondscook1 5 жыл бұрын
All the hard work paid off. This is going to be one hell of a street car!
@ArmstrongRacing
@ArmstrongRacing 5 жыл бұрын
Guys invest in an Accusump! You precharge the unit and when oil pressure drops the oil charge in the unit will maintain the system pressure.
@JCE10NYC
@JCE10NYC 5 жыл бұрын
Finally track time with the k-swap 240.
@Patrick-HD
@Patrick-HD 5 жыл бұрын
love thiss channel
@OAK_MTN
@OAK_MTN 5 жыл бұрын
This build is goals
@g-mane7497
@g-mane7497 5 жыл бұрын
It's beautiful Pete. Awesome.
@crwilliams22000
@crwilliams22000 3 жыл бұрын
Wow she looks amazing 😍
@JDM_Jeffro
@JDM_Jeffro 5 жыл бұрын
Another great video from Speed Academy! Good stuff boys! Is that the Deboss truck i see in the background? Quattro Debocho Audi review in the works? That would be sick.
@someonesomewheresomdeday
@someonesomewheresomdeday 5 жыл бұрын
Happy for you guys. When I had my ep3 I always put an extra full quart in on track days. I think it was purely anecdotal but we always said the k engines take forever for the oil to get out of the head and back go the pan. It's not that there is a windage issue, rather a return issue. Not sure if that's the truth, but it's the gospel we followed and never had an issue. Amazing car guys. Pure jealousy on my end. It's the perfect triangle car (speed, handling, looks)
@sniper007x
@sniper007x 5 жыл бұрын
Perfect setup for downhill/touge thinking of doing it to my z3
@etwoodson213
@etwoodson213 5 жыл бұрын
I really think a episode on suspension setup would be awesome, more so around the premise "understeer = soften front" etc. Just an idea
@chris__whips
@chris__whips 5 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! A very unique swap
@94tegLSatMSC
@94tegLSatMSC 5 жыл бұрын
Great work on this series guys. As someone who has tracked hondas for years I'll say that the oil pressure dipping to 5-10 psi is a little worrying. I'd bet at small tracks like your home test facility it will probably be fine but going somewhere like Buttonwillow with a 100mph high G load sustained corner you'll be in a world of hurt. I run the extra capacity Moroso pan on my K20A engine on Hoosiers and I don't have issues but I assume you dont have the room for that. Maybe work with Kmiata on a new baffle design. Cheers.
@LikelyCandidate
@LikelyCandidate 5 жыл бұрын
I think you might be right about over baffling. With the motor sitting on the slight angle, all the oil get pushed up the side of the block, and the trap door is not going to want to open to let it get down to the pickup. I would take the pan off, have a few smart people look at it for a couple of beers, then think about moving the pick up to the right if possible/practical, and add an accumulator.
@NasnasFilms
@NasnasFilms 5 жыл бұрын
This realy makes me realy want to finish my Turbo Miata(diff broke)! Waiting for parts right now. Trackdays for days in the spring!
@fbcbxcfb
@fbcbxcfb 5 жыл бұрын
Those wheels are beautiful!
@audirx8
@audirx8 2 жыл бұрын
Great build 👏 Im just finishing my k20a2 turbo swapped mazda rx8 running haltech elite ecu. Im sure ill see you guys at tmp Im from Niagara falls
@WelcomeToTheMadness
@WelcomeToTheMadness 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like it should be super fun when you bolt that turbo on it.
@Qgal5kap123
@Qgal5kap123 5 жыл бұрын
Speed Academy and Deboss Garage in the same video! I feel a strange tingle in my nether regions.
@gersonhays7768
@gersonhays7768 5 жыл бұрын
Idk why you guys said it sounded bad in your last video cause it sound freaking amazing l.
@matthewyang2792
@matthewyang2792 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome. More videos of this car. See how fast y’all can go without aero!
@DJZJ7SUKY
@DJZJ7SUKY 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sad to see this series end. It had the best intro of them all
@zami705
@zami705 5 жыл бұрын
Put a 3 quart oil accumulator, moroso makes one fairly cheap, and definitely it’s amazing, fully recommended guys!
@The_True_
@The_True_ 5 жыл бұрын
Watch out for that loose back seat, it's flapping around in the turns. That stack cluster is the secret sauce, looks like it came that way from the factory amongst the interior pieces! And all that didn't make the Toyo's chirp once, great grip! 👍😎
@LackyUno
@LackyUno 5 жыл бұрын
Man this car looks great
@lunchmeat5000
@lunchmeat5000 5 жыл бұрын
Seeing this makes me kinda miss my s14. Same year and color as this one. Sold it back in April.
@TimberTrainer
@TimberTrainer 5 жыл бұрын
An oil accumulator should help with the starvation issue. Good job on finishing up the project, and getting it on the track!
@frun4
@frun4 5 жыл бұрын
🍿 I would love to see you guys install and test an accusump and see if it helps the issue with oil starvation 👍🏼
@alfredolozano695
@alfredolozano695 5 жыл бұрын
sounds good!!!!
@xas1622x
@xas1622x 5 жыл бұрын
Boostedboiz had a similar oil pressure issue and the guy they got the oil pan from told them they needed to put more oil than the engine regular carries
@jakoberrify
@jakoberrify 5 жыл бұрын
Didn't they shim the oil pump too?
@unkown1237
@unkown1237 5 жыл бұрын
Jakob Kerr yeah it increased the oil pressure when you add shims
@ryanjames4740
@ryanjames4740 5 жыл бұрын
In rwd K24 i see everyone use k20a type R pumps. These guys used a type s pump. Might be a contributing factor
@lol-ok5sq
@lol-ok5sq 4 жыл бұрын
@@ryanjames4740 type s and type r pumps are the same thing. same part number im pretty sure
@hk20000
@hk20000 5 жыл бұрын
Local guy with a k-swapped miata also had the motor fail on oil starvation. You should find a pan that's made for north-south install the original pan shape is ng
@ryancline4320
@ryancline4320 4 жыл бұрын
Windage tray, also a couple more oil pan mods that will help oil surround pickup tube in turns.
@frieddayfriday
@frieddayfriday 5 жыл бұрын
dream car!! red 240sx black wheels and a k swap!! i have a red ek9 and red 2017 sti both with black wheels!
@pabauza
@pabauza 5 жыл бұрын
Great frkn video
@SilverScarletSpider
@SilverScarletSpider 5 жыл бұрын
This car is beautiful
@werksguy
@werksguy 5 жыл бұрын
Congratulations speed Academy on this build! were you guys at Cayuga?
@feelthatfeelthat
@feelthatfeelthat 5 жыл бұрын
I used to rock an H2B (prelude motor with B-series trans) back in the day. You might have to put more oil into the car. I had to put 6 quarts of oil instead of 4.1 quarts which is what the factory called for. I had zero issues over the few years and about 50k of driving it.
@whiteshadow299
@whiteshadow299 5 жыл бұрын
Love the sound! Car is awesome! That rear seat tho lol 😁😁❤️
@ianmccormick247
@ianmccormick247 5 жыл бұрын
I have heard that Ballade Sports in SoCal were having oil issues when swapping a k-motor into a S2000. You might want to reach out to them or research this phenomenon.
@Imonursixx
@Imonursixx 5 жыл бұрын
Yes the oil pressure loss is a issue especially on a k that very dependent on oil pressure
@PressurenFlames
@PressurenFlames 5 жыл бұрын
I'd be happy to see some turbo-TEC (and solved oil pressure issue) :) Awesome build.
@s2kwidebody
@s2kwidebody 5 жыл бұрын
Sweet ride.
@aceoboy
@aceoboy 5 жыл бұрын
maybe an accusump will help with stabilizing the oil pressure on corners and also to stop start up wear with pre oiling
@fourtwentynine42
@fourtwentynine42 5 жыл бұрын
6qts is what i use + oil cooler. had the same problem with my ae86
@moereefer
@moereefer 5 жыл бұрын
Add more oil about a half quart
@Drink_Daddy
@Drink_Daddy 3 жыл бұрын
was going to say, he needs to add half more oil. I had this same problem back in the day with my old k-swap.
@seanhenry8030
@seanhenry8030 5 жыл бұрын
Accusump, or some other oil accumulator system is what I'd recommend. Great insurance for a couple hundred bucks. Significantly cheaper than a dry sump, particularly if you're going to buy it in kit form. Below 10 psi seems dangerously low for a high revving engine, I remember there being some shade tree mechanic/weekend racer rule of thumb of wanting around 10 psi per 1K RPMs. I doubt the engine will blow immediately, more likely it'll be a cumulative damage scenario. Otherwise keep up the good work, K240 is sweet.
@therealboofighter
@therealboofighter 5 жыл бұрын
DP rolling with his Gang Life jacket.
@TheInfectedWreck
@TheInfectedWreck 5 жыл бұрын
Canton Accu-Sump would do the trick for that oil pressure issue, keeps cost down and piece of mind.
@AronBuilds
@AronBuilds 5 жыл бұрын
STILL so weird for me to hear Honda noises from a sick AF Kouki, haha!!! Awesome build guys! Just some fine tuning now!
@mattcaudell9972
@mattcaudell9972 5 жыл бұрын
9:10 the roll bar is really just to keep the back seats from hitting you in the head haha As for the low oil pressure just don't take the car to an oval track 👍
@justinthematrix
@justinthematrix 5 жыл бұрын
This thing is clean as hell
@tiedyeguy8469
@tiedyeguy8469 5 жыл бұрын
The boostedbois have a vertically mounted K series in a sti and they did a oil baffle. Don’t quote me but take a look.
@Alwaysdead101
@Alwaysdead101 5 жыл бұрын
Need a picture of this and the drift 350z together!
@Bimmer2047
@Bimmer2047 5 жыл бұрын
prob should bolt down that rear seat back!! lol good job guys. cant wait to see it turbo.
@ichihusni5014
@ichihusni5014 5 жыл бұрын
Need updates on this beast
@RWBJeff
@RWBJeff 5 жыл бұрын
ahahahahah, Deboss Garage was there. quattro debocho.... I need to come out for an afternoon with you guys and bring my RWB.
@RobertKohut
@RobertKohut 5 жыл бұрын
Nice!!
@boosted_2j
@boosted_2j 5 жыл бұрын
Lol that Honda sound tho. Made me chuckle a bit lol
@capnthepeafarmer
@capnthepeafarmer 5 жыл бұрын
You don't have to get a dry sump, you can get a canton oil accumulator. That will prevent oil starvation and be way cheaper than a dry sump.
@Dolby109
@Dolby109 5 жыл бұрын
For the short term you could probably just over-fill the oil a bit. In the long run you might want to go dry sump or find another solution.
@GibbysGarage15
@GibbysGarage15 5 жыл бұрын
3:54 Aaamazing and everything seems to be working great *back seat tears off* :P
@Fuzion180
@Fuzion180 5 жыл бұрын
Could add a tad more oil into the engine so it's just over or check the sump baffle design, I know here in the UK there's a K20 sump baffle brand called Clockwise motion which are used on track cars
@pFbSpecV
@pFbSpecV 5 жыл бұрын
I love it!!! K series for the win!! Turbo will make this car a monster!! But you guys tell me when your ready to sell it....
@M3rlinTv
@M3rlinTv 5 жыл бұрын
You should definitly add ac when you turbo it. Would me the ultimate street and Track build
@alexnaranjo3299
@alexnaranjo3299 5 жыл бұрын
YAAAASSS! K SWAP ALL THE THINGS!
@Brock_Landers
@Brock_Landers 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, that car is sexy af. I have ALWAYS wanted to get my hands on a 240, but they don't come up for sale often and when they do they're outrageously priced.
@slverbuet1791
@slverbuet1791 5 жыл бұрын
ANY TIME YOU SWAP A K AND PUT IT SIDEWAYS YOU GOTTA MAKE A CUSTOM BAFFLE SYSTEM BECAUSE OF THE ANGLE OF THE MOTOR AND THE WAY THE GFORCES PULL THE OIL AROUND THE PAN REACH OUT TO THE BOOSTEDBOIS THEY HAD THIS ISSUE AND THEY FIXXED IT
@hhkimsd
@hhkimsd 5 жыл бұрын
I think I remember that you had to install the motor at an angle ( top of motor tilted towards passenger side) which would tilted the oil pan too. So maybe re-engineer the oil pick up to be biased towards the passenger side of the the pan? Otherwise straighten block and put a power lump in the hood...
@NoNoRc
@NoNoRc 5 жыл бұрын
Oil starvation via air bubbles is still the major issue here despite the pan being baffled so it’s safe to say we can stop beating that dead horse with stick. Process of elimination would be the most efficient way. Not enough oil, or possibly having to run a thicker weight? Check to make sure there are no leaks in the pickup assembly. Dare I mention the over silicone issue we’ve had in the past 🤭.. Sorry, lol just trying to help
@TazjukieGaming
@TazjukieGaming 5 жыл бұрын
the Sump needs some trap doors to eliminate the sloshing of the Oil, and keep it more level.
@adamsondergaard8159
@adamsondergaard8159 5 жыл бұрын
Like seeing it complete, or damn neer i should say!
@DeathOrGloryRacingBC
@DeathOrGloryRacingBC 5 жыл бұрын
Most serious race cars end up with dry sumps, the faster you go the more you need one. That said, if you log oil pressure with an aftermarket sensor I think you'd find most cars have alarming drops in oil psi on track if you're going Harry flatters (for normal guys who don't know this). I suspect this is a combo of a longitudinal layout that's not ideal for the oil pan design and the aftermarket sensor reading more accurately than factory. I've found that baffle pans are a band-aid unless you have trap doors inside and even then they have their limits. The BMW shifter assembly is a known problem, I don't know what you ended up going with but it looks short relative to a normal bimmer option, though I don't have another S14 to compare to ;). Short throws on these boxes make for notchy engagement, the best explanation is available from UUC somewhere out there in the vast expanse. You want to retain some leverage/length with these boxes. You guys also weren't using the typical BMW shifting style to prevent money shifts, also recommended by UUC (especially to those unfamiliar with the getrag/VF boxes). I'm warning you gents, respect the money shift or buy spare valves and a head gasket.
@PK-R
@PK-R 5 жыл бұрын
Proper cool how you break molds and have got s14 as a grip car and e46 m3 as a drift car. Not your typical conventional youtuber!!
@DresRacingChannel
@DresRacingChannel 5 жыл бұрын
Damn i love that car, K series motors are the shit i can't wait to finish my MR2 so i can have fun with that K series.
@Brock_Landers
@Brock_Landers 5 жыл бұрын
Also, you feel how well that K series is running now, just think about how it's going to feel after you put a turbo on it...
@Leri0th
@Leri0th 5 жыл бұрын
Rip some Tech - your should make that into some merch :)
@BraggenritesNetwork
@BraggenritesNetwork 5 жыл бұрын
How about a build cost breakdown?
@michaelpotts3685
@michaelpotts3685 5 жыл бұрын
Yes this.
@Arnyskates
@Arnyskates 5 жыл бұрын
I want to know as well.
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