HORUS DISCOVERS THE FLAW OF SANGUINIUS

Hi all Wolf Lord Rho here,
Still struggling to shake off this cold so apologies if my voice is a little unclear in this one. It was hard to breathe whilst talking!
Today we are looking at the events of Horus Lupercal, Primarch of the Luna Wolves, discovering the darkest secret of Sanguinius and the Blood Angels.
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[@levyburns4163]

Horus: "I'll help you hide the body." Sanguinius: *thinking* "He's got my vote for Warmaster."

[@muzanjackson8827]

288 likes, 2 years, no comment? here ya go

[@sanguinius3885]

Yeah Horus Used to be a Bro.

[@Eliphas_]

Who is glad to discover this channel?

[@britishfreecorps7816]

Gamer of Slaanesh well I was , but then It changed my life and I can now no longer live as a man , I need to turn myself into. Female sanguinius

[@jcp1966]

@@britishfreecorps7816fabulous wings you have there honey

[@gwyndolin1536]

All hail Slaanesh!

[@JeanLucCaptain]

i am MY PRINCE OF PPLLLLEASSEUUREEEE!!!!

[@leokingo3308]

Love the channel, hate your existence

[@xeonespydonum4995]

Horus speaks of flaws, and how to be of humanity is to be flawed. However, Horus fails to see his own most dangerous flaw, pride.

[@worldeater2414]

But that is the deadly symptom of Pride..... Especially ignorant pride like Horus's. He thinks himself to infallible to fall, too full of himself to notice the killer rot. Deeep. Deep inside his very greatest flaw and his greatest asset, his charismatic pride! Mixed with rampant daddy issues? His fall was just the same as someone like Icarus or even to a point like the Emperor. He thought himself too mighty too deal with something as petty as human flaws... And it was his undoing. -Badass Pagan

[@worldeater2414]

@Kaptin Swindletoof Gobsmack If he loved his sons he had a funny way of not showing it.

[@worldeater2414]

@Kaptin Swindletoof Gobsmack Yeessss! Join us brother!

[@craigstege6376]

That's more or less why pride is the highest of the hierarchy of sins. From a Biblical perspective, and therefore throughout the Westernized tradition of storytelling, pride destroys everything. Tore paradise asunder, spawned all sin, and spoiled all that was good - literally casting light into darkness (Lucifer being the light bringer, and the light being good). Pride houses and foments all the other sins, and is too blind to see it.

[@Wustenfuchs109]

@@craigstege6376 That is so only in the Christian philosophy that, as a basis, wants for a man to feel guilty at all times, never stand upright. The whole narrative that you are sinful your whole life and must live to atone for it. It wasn't so in its philosophy if you read what Christ says, but it is what it was morphed into over the centuries by the Church and theologians - for obvious reason. Pride is a normal thing to feel, and a good thing. In Christianity, angels rose up against God (and later we melted them all into one for some unexplained reason - I guess Church needed a big baddie) and you are being told that it is due to the pride (hence the "pride comes before the fall" pronoun) but it is not so in the Bible - there you can clearly see the reasoning behind the rebellion. The crucial "Non serviam!" that Sataniel said to God. They did not want to serve, to be slaves to a God that used them as such. There were dozens of angels that rose up, Sataniel being just one of them... and not even the main one. Also, the whole thing about Lucifer the Lightbringer being the main baddie comes not from the actual theology and folklore but from the fact that The Lightbringer/Morningstar was the chief deity of Babylon from the time Jews were enslaved there, with the title being used interchangeably with the ruling king of Babylon. That is where Lucifer = Evil comes from. So, in medieval Europe, all angels that rose up because they did not want to be slaves were melted into Lucifer and he was proclaimed as evil - and all those who don't want to serve "anointed by God" (meaning ruling monarch) was dubbed as evil for being too proud. With it, the entire original folklore was twisted - there were no such messages originally in the story of the War in Heaven. Originally, angels did not want to serve a god that enslaved them all, and wanted to live with the people and teach them. They wanted to be free. It is basically the ancient story of anarchism. And for a society that required strict obedience and servitude, that was evil. It is not an objective story, it has to be put into context. In the same way a slave that rises up and takes up arms against the slaveholder will be dubbed as evil force that tore paradise asunder by that same slaveholder. Church twisted the narrative so that their pride and refusal to serve was interpreted as pride being the root of evil, because in Christian monarchies, Church needed completely obedient people - you MUST serve and like it, or you are going to hell. That is why pride is there at the top of "sin" hierarchy, without having anything to do with the rest of deadly sins, except maybe vanity. You can argue that vanity is a sin, but it is quite different from pride. While vanity is "excessive belief in one's own abilities or attractiveness to others" while pride is "confidence and satisfaction in oneself" and comes as a result of actual deeds done. For example, saying that you are the best in the world because you are American, that's vanity. Feeling pride because you got a PhD in astrophysics as you sacrificed a lot and spent better part of your life achieving it, therefore you ARE intellectually superior to a local waitress - that's reasonable pride. Nothing wrong with it. Pride in our accomplishments is what drives us. Without pride, we would not do anything, everything would stagnate. There would not be a reason do anything, except maybe a fear that if you don't do something, you are getting hit on the head with a stick. And out of two motivators to get shit done, I think I opt for a pride option. Pride is what makes us human. Pride drives what's best in humanity. There is a good reason why the period that we considered pride as the greatest sin of all is considered Dark Age in the western culture. As for Horus, pride wasn't his problem. It was vanity, the 6th sin. He thought too much of himself. Pride had nothing to do with it. Pride is something that comes AFTER you do something worthy, Vanity is something that comes before you do something in order to justify it. Horus' problem was not that he was prideful of the things he DID, it was his vanity that he SHOULD DO things. While you might argue that both vanity and pride are tied to similar things, the chronology plays a HUGE difference.

[@banneduser5187]

Perturabo for sure would "not have been kind" to Sanguinius... Meanwhile, Vulkan would be preparing the hug to end all hugs

[@edim108]

@Zackary Kozik But neither was he the most... empathetic of them. He was hard to get along with and only a handful of his brothers managed it.

[@kedarraman6690]

Perty boi would go either what the fuck or Eh it was necessary and no middle ground

[@kedarraman6690]

Vulkan would deadass end khorne with his hugs

[@e21big]

Perturabo would be more like "yeah? whatever" I think, giving that he give zero fuck to his own son and essentially mass murdered them the moment they met - I think Dorn for sure would be the one who are not so forgiven, along with Mortarion

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

Hugging an Angel would take some creativity but I’m sure Vulcan would manage it

[@thathappyaussie5209]

Horus: "A Primarch killing his own son??" Perturabo and Angron: *Sweats in the background*

[@raptorteam486]

The theory that the Emperor intentionally made the flaws of the Blood Angels so they are a legion of terrifying weapons is actually a good theory. Could be that, until Angel boy comes along and brings the unstoppable rage legion into a legion of noble angels and Big E was just like, "Huh, that wasn't planned."

[@morephalynx742]

Ironically the Angron did that

[@Aleph-Noll]

@@morephalynx742 they switched places, ironic

[@moderndavinci6599]

@@morephalynx742 Angron, the designed Empath, is the one to become the bloodlusted maulers and ravagers. Sanguinius, the designed bloodthirsty gene-flawed, is the one to become the empath and living angel. Very, very ironic.

[@SN00PICUS]

It's the choice that matters. Men are monsters, all of us, we are nature's apex predators. Sanguinious knows he is a monster, and he chooses mastery over slavery. The mastery of himself, rather than the slavery of succumbing to his appetites like Angron.

[@casbahowl8128]

Good old Horace Looper Cow, a subtitles nightmare

[@wolflordrho]

😂

[@doped1able]

Mort Orion. Jagged Thai. Guile, man. Lemon russet.

[@Sakhmeov]

Don't forget Row Goal Dawn. Or the redoubtable Vole Can. How many voles can a Vulcan wall, if a wall could Can-Can voles?

[@7Blau7]

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[@travisadams6279]

@@Sakhmeov Fuckin dead XD

[@logosmaxima2775]

This makes me understand horus more. Why he was above all his brothers. He was his brother's keeper. Even back on terra, he defended the memory of his fallen brothers.

[@jaghatai_bulut]

He even went as far as to treathen Malcador.

[@Mephiles343]

@@jaghatai_bulut and he damn near got his dumbass killed for that

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

@@Mephiles343Khan had to plead with Malcador to let his brother go. Horus was never going to yield on his own. He took his role as the Firstborn seriously, and saw himself as the one who would stand up for his brothers when no one else would. The damning thing is it came at the expense of the small people. We aren’t told why the lost one is being erased from history but we can assume they had a good reason. But Horus was defending his pride and status as a Primarch and a post-human in the face of this self-important Mortal just as much as he was defending his brother’s memory. And Malcador said an empire ruled by Horus would be a place where might makes right and the little people live in fear. Horus meant well. That was his greatest strength and his greatest weakness.

[@templar9365]

with each audio i hear from you dude, i can see the primarchs being more human than demigods.

[@cgavin1]

This Horus bears no resemblance to the one in Sigillite.

[@tanksinatra3968]

Aye if only not of that little bitch named erebus

[@potandpoliticswithmr.broph1420]

It's funny because the Primarchs life cycle is so sadly ordinary just stretched out. They mostly start out emotionally as small children enraptured with their father(notably excepting Kurze and Angron) and end the heresy as pissy teenagers. At this point Horus and Sanguinius are like 12 year olds too afraid to be wrong or not seem perfect to Dad. For all their intellect and experience they still think in black and white, it never even crosses their mind despite the Thunder Warriors, the Flesh Change, and the mortality rate for Astartes conversion, that nothing the Emperor does is ever perfect. The Heresy is just Horus deciding to call the Ol' Man out and fight him on the front lawn for all his flaws and failures. They all just stew in their personal angst and bitterness either at each other or Big E. Coulda all been avoided if they had just grown the fuck up and understood rather than just repeated The Emperor is only human. He can, and does, and will happily admit he makes mistakes. The Loyalists treat him like he's flawless and the traitors treat him as the embodiment of deception and manipulation. No one ever says " I think Dad's heart is in the right place but I also think he's wrong about this, I should talk to him about it. " Only Leman Russ, and then only at the very end, decides he should be offering The Emperor counsel and voicing his concerns not just be his blind tool. Conversations that would have been useful- "Dad, I know you're pissed right now, but I really think you should take a day to calm down and then talk to Lorgar. You just asked me to massacre a few million innocent Imperial citizens." "Dad, I'm psychic like you and I keep having these horrible premonitions. They keep getting worse and feel more certain. What's your experience with them and could you take a look at mine telepathically and give me some feedback?" "Dad, what do we do after we conquer the galaxy? If the regular humans are going to rule and run the Empire under you, what role do I, my brothers, and our sons play in that future?" "Dad, we need to talk about The Imperial Truth. I think daemons just ate my third company. "

[@raptorteam486]

I think Big E's orders to burn Monarchia was the Primarch way of tearing that F paper. But yes, the Primarchs and Big E were all just so busy building the Webway and conquering the galaxy to have any conversion other than "Oh I just took like, 50 planets." Although daemons eating your third company is worth a talk.

[@radoslavhresko8736]

A bit late to discussion, but could you tell me which one of primarchs is last sentence related to? If it even is related to one, either way had a good laugh about it.

[@potandpoliticswithmr.broph1420]

@@radoslavhresko8736 Story line wise I think it would probably make the most sense being Horus after the Samas incident. In my head it's Jaghatai Khan, who never believed the Imperial truth anyway. I can't remember which video but Rho has one about the Khan reflecting on his relationship with the Emperor, the gulf between them, and that they avoid talking about the Imperial truth because it's a point of contention between them.

[@bernatvillalbablanch9912]

Pretty new to all this universe, but I'm learning the lore of this formidable game bit a bit. I would say that is easy to see the emperor as flawless if you live in an empire where he is revered as a God. Or in the case of the traitors, if you have seen his flaws, see him as a deciecver, since the Truth in the empire is that he has none. As a matter of fact, it is true that the emperor told his sons that he is not perfect, I recall a conversation with Magnus, but still, it's very difficult to not see him perfect when he is the God of your world.

[@ianharrison5758]

To be fair to Konrad, he clearly had a personality disorder from the jump. I’m almost certain he had DID, and the emperor was just like “eh, he can lead the legion. He totally didn’t claw his own eyes out when he first met Me”. Konrad clearly needed help, and couldn’t advocate for himself. The emperor should have kept him under his care for however long it took to heal his mind. Same with Angron.

[@DarkSolace33]

Sanguinius' flaw is not curling his hair in the morning.

[@stewart2517]

Indeed brother.

[@DarkSolace33]

@@stewart2517 And yours is anything not including a siege.

[@DarkSolace33]

@@stewart2517 I know my flaw. An incomplete library of stratagems.

[@chudtroonslayer]

Primarch Roboute Guilliman, Lord Commander Yours is of losing 5 1v1s and probably more in the future.

[@WorgenGrrl]

@@DarkSolace33 BURN!

[@G.SPIES24]

New Wolf Lord Rho vid? My Sunday just got 10x better. The Emperor Protects.

[@AdeptKing]

G a new game of thrones episode and a new vid, amazing.

[@RD-tj3mf]

Sanguinius should be fearful of what could happen to his legion. Two legions are already gone, to remove Primarchs and there legions would put doubt into any Primarch. I dont think that the emperor would have destroyed the blood angels, but as the legions father, sanguinius cant take that chance. Horus brought a sense of ease to his brother, which shows just how far Horus fell to chaos. Great video!

[@johnwilkinson1096]

I just started the heresy over and found I had forgotten Horus' nature before the fall. Very tragic.

[@kelman727]

Nor should he. Cawl didn’t alter the Primaris BA genomes because he reasoned the Emperor made them that way deliberately.

[@Kareszkoma]

To be fair.. to just "wipe out" 100 000 legionare astarte and their Primarchs?.... when a Primarch fells to chaos, he is only stoppable by the Emperor. I can get that the custodes, and if a couple other legion were to turn against a third.. okay. But a 100 000 legionare with a Primarch? Really? That is 1/5th of the total Astarte the Wh40k has fully armed, mechanized, with a fleet, a primarch in the lead. Seems to be an impossible task. Than there are legions like the Thousands Sons and the Iron Warriors. Good luck defeating those.

[@Kareszkoma]

It IS defeatable. But at what price is my problem? I'm not saying the Emperor cannot destroy a Primarch or it's legion. But Astarte are Astarte. Even the custodes would have losses trying to defeat a 100 000 of them. Not even mentioning that a chaos Primarch can possibly hold against the Emperor itself. They are his sons.

[@koriuk5032]

I don't think so. They were much worse before sanguinius was found If anything the red thirst is a result of him suppressing their thirst by taking control of them. The emperor gladly employed the blood angels before sanguinius. They would even eat the dead... drinking the blood and eating the dead gave them the memories of the fallen and made them stronger for it

[@kennetheisenbraun5217]

I feel like if Russ or Magnus were to learn of the red thirst they would have sympathy and, possibly, revealed the curses of their own legions knowing they were not alone

[@OutspokenSeeker]

I doubt that, at least in Russ's case. The space wolves are hypocrites, they spit on librarians while still having plenty of them disguised as rune priests and the like. And with their egotistical streak of calling themselves the executioners, it seems unlikely that they would be kind to the blood angels. They'd just scream about Maleficarum and try and slap the BA, even when their own problems arise. In this very book Rho talks about, the Space wolves designated to spy on Sanguineous were disgusted by the BA going berserk.

[@OutspokenSeeker]

@Zackary Kozik not really, they believe that their power doesn't come from the warp, and that it's just runes and spirits from fenris. But that's hypocrisy and naive stupidity. All psykers have their abilities tied to the warp in some way, it's just that the wolves use slightly different methods of harnessing it, when in reality it's not dissimilar from the actions of cultists.

[@OutspokenSeeker]

@Zackary Kozik through runes and shit, not exactly far off from carving symbols into skin or stone to summon a Daemon. It's all about symbolism with the warp, the exact means of conjuration doesn't matter when the end result is a psyker drawing power from the warp to use their abilities, it's still just a librarian.

[@tibbydudeza]

These words are telling "‘Falling short" In one of the HH books Horus remarked that Sanguinius would never turn against the Emperor not because of loyalty or even love but out of fear of being rejected as a deviant mutant (the wings).

[@Saber2793]

I believe it was Lorgar who said that while talking to Erebus. The exact words were: "Oh yes, the Angel is righteous and he is strong and he is beautiful in practically every way. But he has a cancerous weakness in his heart - a weakness known to only a few of us. Sanguinius is loyal to our father out of perfect love and perfect nobility, and if that were all, he might still be turned or killed as you so desire, my son. But what you fail to consider is that he is also loyal out of perfect fear. He fears the reason he has wings. He fears what they might represent. He fears something went terribly wrong during his creation and he fears the effects this may have upon his own gene-sons".

[@kevista117]

Am I the only one that was perplexed that Horus managed to sneak up on Sanguinius while wearing half a Dreadnaught's worth of armour?

[@ianharrison5758]

I imagine it’s because primarch artificer armor is of way higher quality than regular power armor, and would likely be designed so well that the sounds of metal on metal as they move disappear. Custodes armor is like that, with Constantine valdor being able to sneak past a fuckload of armored guards with his armor on. Also, sanginius was very distracted and distraught. He wasn’t paying any attention to his surroundings since he fully believed he had come alone. He had no reason to suspect so nothing to set off warning signs while he was busy having to kill one of his own sons.

[@ironduke5058]

They were eating weren't they? I think they were just chilling in normal clothes

[@noblecornflower4452]

How to troll Fulgrim: tell him he must have perfect sense of humor. Tell him if his sense of humor is perfect he will be able to make anyone laugh. Tell him to make Angron laugh. Laugh hysterically

[@t.schramm1045]

Fulgrim should just punch the emperor then

[@captainviktorgrim261]

Sanguinous's willingness to end the life of one of his sons for falling to the thirst speaks volumes. The guilt that he knows why his son has fallen and the resolve to grant his son peace. The fact that he was unwillingness to lie to Horus about what he had done. He is the Primarch the Imperium needs but not the one it deserves.

[@syndicalist-0]

GOD IT HURTS! to think about how strong of a bond these brothers had and how it all came crashing down so hard..

[@mattstakeontheancients7594]

I honestly like Horus a lot in this story. He had some flaws but understand why he was made the war master. His understanding of his humanity and his ability to listen to Sanguinous. That’s what makes him a good villain.

[@forgedwarrior20]

This was so very emotional for me. Horus was such as amazing primarch. By far one of the very best. The way Horus cared for his brothers. Very emotional. I can honestly see why he was made warmaster. Even after turning against the imperium, I couldn't help but remembering how amazing he was as a LUNA WOLF.

[@badbishop1049]

Wow, you can really here the naivete in horus in this interaction. Telling sanguinius that he should have came to his brothers for help. Then after sanguinius laid it on him that some of his brothers would not be kind, Horus was kind of like "yeah, I see your point" Then was like you should tell father. Then when sanguinius pointed out the risk in doing so, horus didnt want to believe it would come to that until sanguinius spoke again and reminded him that their father is not going to put the needs of an individual primarch over his own plans and responsibilities. Then Horus kind of nodded and was like "yeah, you're right again. Okay I wont say anything, bro." If that's one of his personality flaws then I consider it amazing that when horus fell to chaos he didn't immediately inform all his loyalist brothers and his father. Just to let em know, lol!🤣 But seriously, I guess he wasnt the same horus after he fell to chaos. He was being manipulated by the ruinous powers without even realizing it.

[@mohamed7899]

Magnus tells lorgar that the emperor contemplated wiping out the word bearers because of how slow they were in the great crusade. I wouldnt put it past the emperor to have wiped out the blood Angels if he found out about the flaw.

[@shocker6093]

The emperor knew about the flaw though.

[@williamamely7038]

It is ironic that Sanguinius thought he could keep his Legion's flaw from the Emperor. I believe the Emperor was aware of all of his Sons' flaws and, by extension, those of their Legions. The Emperor knew what his Traitor Sons would do when they assaulted Terra. So he would know what flaws each possessed. The mystery would, of course, be what happened to his missing Sons of the 2nd and 11th Legion. Is it possible that they found out about Chaos and the deal the dark Gods struck with the Emperor which lead to the Primarch project? If so, this could explain why the Emperor ordered their elimination, then claiming that his two Sons had failed him.

[@inquisitivei2188]

Whoa what? +6000 subs? I remember when you only had 760 subscribers a few weeks ago. Well done mate! And great vid by the way.

[@darthvaderginsburg4694]

Aye, I think he was at 840-ish when I joined only a week and change ago. I think? Crazy.

[@TK-qg5tf]

Same. Great content

[@alexrowe7063]

Honestly thinking back to the sigilite I can see alpharius as an instigator, whispering secrets into the ears of others to manipulate them.

[@stevemanart]

This passage helped me form my current theories for the 2nd and 11th. One was lost in battle, he and his legion slain to the last man against an enemy the Emperor believed should have been a cakewalk. Likely during the Rangdan Xenocides. The other was so far lost to a mutation that the Emperor could not abide even within his favorite tools/sons.

[@morningnapalm9963]

Imagine a retelling of the Horus Heresy. Where instead of falling to chaos, Horus goes against The Emperor in order to stand up for his brothers who would have been wiped out by Big E. Sanguinius, Magnus, Lorgar.. rather than being a big battle against irredeemable traitors, the loyalists would be forced to question their position in wiping out their brothers who simply wish to live.. even the Space Wolves, initially the Emperor's Executioner being blacklisted due to their Curse of Wulfen and Leman finding himself on the other end as one to be executed.

[@Truegrade]

Dang Horus compassionate tone and humanity in this was near heartbreaking😭😖😩

[@peterc3262]

I loved Horus in the first two heresy books. Abnett did an amazing job making him sympathetic and admirable. Made it all the more painful when it all went bad.

[@sgtb3691]

Mortarion would have weaponized it as Sanguinous was one of the three to sponsor the librarians.

[@shmee123ful]

Ahh Horus before he went coco for koko puffs. When he was a good brother and son. #blamelorgaforeverthing

[@jimvenanzio6561]

#BlameLorgarForEverything We often do not see the tragedy of the fall of the Damned, but only the injustices committed during their falls from grace. Some may say "Aw! Horus is being a snake here!" knowing what he's capable of later on, but without knowledge of his eventual betrayal you really can't say that about the guy. Horus is being The Big Brother here just like he should!

[@Archon3960]

Rather, blame Erebus ! Even if we all know it is all Magnus' fault ! x)

[@muzanjackson8827]

dont blame lorgar, it's #fuckerebus alr?

[@sortedevaras]

Horus the broest of bros.

[@RakRescue]

Until choas

[@Izzy777-_-]

Dude are you from DovahsDOMVS??

[@jakewu8268]

The Emperor must of known this flaw within the blood angels geneseed I love this primarch and want more lore about him as well.💪😁

[@chudtroonslayer]

Baraka Hagatanga Like a hero.Unlike Girlyman who got cucked humiliatingly but survived.

[@markoerakovic9899]

Do i hear mechanicus soundtrack in background? I approve^^

[@sonofjack6286]

Children of the Omnissiah.

[@LordInter]

Horus; "why did you not ask anyome for help, why did you not ask father for help" later; horus not doing this

[@omnisupreme6680]

Your a great orator, love the way you illustrate a story, very relaxing and calming is your voice, plus I enjoy the lore of Games Workshop 40k. Thanks for a good read !

[@trolldrool]

Pre-Monarchia Lorgar would no doubt have found a way to turn it into a sign of Sanguinius' divine wrath as the most literal angel in his Father's pantheon of demigods. Rather than pass judgement, he'd turn it into something to praise as a connection to the Emperor's divinity.

[@rhetoo]

Nice. Made my Sunday seeing this upload. Love the way you do things. Read a bit and add your own flavour to it. Awesome.

[@afterrecession]

Listening to your uploads is so relaxing. I listen to it when I'm stressed out. I don't really know anything about Warhammer 40k and really the lores are amazing.

[@AlternicityBlogspot]

We also need Sanguinius / Corax interactions of course. Did they measure...wings?

[@tacitronin4970]

Channel is growing quite quickly! This is good to see. Loving your video's and they're content.

[@patricklioneljonson2747]

Your channel is growing quickly Wolf. This is exciting.

[@Nubi324]

Yesssss another Wolf Lord Rho vid.. day just keeps getting better

[@cyberware5323]

11:54 they identifying as a human is such an underestimated part of this dialogue. Knowing what some chapters actually think about humans, think that they are much superiorand abhor humans.

[@thetyrannicalllama2211]

What a great Channel! Really love how you do this content.

[@JonMarvel]

I love your videos man; your voice is always so relaxing!

[@TheHazCan]

My day off is now complete

[@jonharper8963]

Flaws of Sanguinius?? What heresy is this!!!!! Awesome vid as always, just love the narration and analysis, keep up the good work! Subbed!

[@Spekd]

Thanks for doing this one. BA fan all the way! 9th legion

[@LASTGUARDIAN-ln4kt]

now that i know this situation occured the sight of horus attacking the emperor could definetly made sanguinius go mad with the black rage and kill horus and the emperor hesitated to kill sanguinius and that hesitation worked against him

[@argeltal9187]

These videos are great, makes me want to buy the books. Thank you

[@frederikmortensen6321]

Damn, you have come along way, when I was first here you had 200 and I thought it would take you years to get up like the others, but damn you are shooting into the sky! Keep it up

[@geiger987654321]

I remember when he had 200 viewers too!! This man deserves a lot credit for these videos due to the amount of time to find these amazing excerpts or short stories and then provide an actual analysis.

[@cmdrblaster]

A new vid on Easter Sunday?! My day is twice blessed now!

[@jamricsloe]

Horus; even long before his fall was Masterfully Manipulative. How he pulled Sanguinius' most dark secret from him was as easy as plucking a blade of grass. He played Sanguinius like a fiddle. Said all the right things and appeared sincere throughout. Even then, you think to highly of him. He was the perfect Warrior Politician. Truly a Bastard, even before his fall. So slick was he, that we all liked him.

[@Hereforthelols]

I don’t think Horus was Manipulating sangy in any way in this scene…he showed genuine concern and lend a helping hand…Horus has been the bad guy for so long ppl forget y he was genuinely loved by almost all of his fellow brothers and it takes more than manipulation to garner such love and respect from ur equals

[@ianharrison5758]

@@Hereforthelols exactly. The fall of Horus wasn’t the story of a treacherous son biding his time to strike, pretending to be loyal and manipulating everyone into believing he was the best of them. It was the tale of a loyal primarch with noble intentions and honorable ideals falling from grace, his mind chained to the will of malevolent gods while his charisma was turned into a serpents tongue to sway his brothers from the imperium to burn the galaxy, his corrupted mind believing he was liberating it until the very end. Horus could very well have been the best of them, that is why his fall was so unsuspected, and why half his brothers chose him over their father

[@ironduke5058]

Horus has shown this genuine level of concern before. Remember when Malcador nearly choked him to death because he almost said one of his lost brothers' names?

[@duirun6212]

Awesome work again mate keep it up

[@Tiglath-Pileser3]

Great to hear that last line. I've been looking forward to The First.

[@darthvaderginsburg4694]

Stuff like this is why I am still so GD confused after coming back from an 11+ year break. Big E made each Primarch to be exactly how they are, save Angron, as you noted. SO, why is Sanguinius so afraid? There are so many conflicting things in these books. I enjoyed the shout out to the lost Primarchs, but it still doesn't make much sense to me. I am, for really reals, a tad slow in the head, so I am probably just not seeing something obvious. *shrug* I don't know if you have read The Sigilite Book, I can't recall exactly what it is called ATM, but that one REALLY helped me understand why GW Ret-Conned Big E into the colossal D he is now.

[@randomlygeneratedname]

Most of the flaws of each primarch such as Sanguinius wings were down to the manipulation of chaos

[@samhobbs9116]

New sub here. Had a binge on your videos the other day. Love this stuff dude keep it up

[@danielw7126]

This makes me want more teasers or even a full explanation about at least one of the two missing legions and primarchs

[@stuart2547]

Awesome video man, and great channel. The thing I don't understand about having miss givings about Lorgar is that was certainly more "human" in a sense than most of his brothers. I get why he shows the truth to Horus as they were the closet of brothers, but like I doubt Lorgar would've used it against him.

[@lukejohnson260880]

What a brilliant piece. It just makes the final battle all that much sadder.

[@roberthamalock3443]

Your channel & videos are awesome! I really enjoy hearing your recaps on these absolutely amazing books! Keep up the good works Brother Captain! & go with the blessings of the Glorious God Emperor upon you!

[@whereami8301]

I really love the music you use in your vids, man. Great fucking stuff. Thank you.

[@xMoac]

Fantastic as usual. If I could suggest a topic to discuss it would be the armaments (weapons) of the Emperor and his feats.

[@remustalaghan7786]

First, love your videos. I think your the best 40k guy on KZbin along with Arch and Luetin09

[@Abb0able]

Well add Commissar Gamza to it and you got my best too

[@Abb0able]

I like the Grim Dark Narrator content too but his voice/accent is holding him back for 40k/battletech... I hated OMS before Gamza made it cool...

[@asonofhoruslegionary]

This pre Heresy Horus is the one we don’t see very often and I honestly want to see more of hopefully in a future primarch novel and he is the one I choose to remember and not the monster he became later on.

[@matthinton19]

It's great seeing this side of horus. The newer lore seems to show horus being more in control when corrupted then we were ever shown before

[@Ugobro1]

I think Horus was playing nice cop, he did get caught sneaking in and Sanguinius was about to get in his face. Another glorious vid man

[@shocker6093]

Hello, i recently joined and your videos are absolutely brilliant.

[@opa6298]

Great video my dude, congrats on your youtube channel growth. Btw could you tell me what music you use for the background? It's really relaxing and I love it

[@Montyweb]

Somebody in another comment said it was the "Mechanicus Soundtrack" but i have no idea

[@opa6298]

@@Montyweb It is, thanks man

[@wraith7707]

I was listening to the audio book for this scene and I just had to come back to this video because your delivery is so good. The audio books delivery for Sanguinius is god awful.

[@theannouncer5538]

I heard the audiobook for this. It was great. Last summer there were 40k audiobooks all over KZbin, but that’s kinda died down.

[@johnnyscifi]

Love Horus. Love Sanguinius. 5th, and 3rd favourite primarchs, to be exact..

[@Tyrnak_Fenrir]

Can you do a reading of when Russ first discovered the curse of the Wulfen

[@daveeverett3169]

i want to give the primarchs a big hug ;_;

[@morephalynx742]

Ironically I think Russ would have understood the best.

[@deadlyshotta2893]

The art work in 40k is incredible

[@geiger987654321]

Although these characters are demi god/fictional characters. I've always felt that the writers to some degree make them relatable. (I mean feel human) for instance: for me sanguinius and his legion always felt relatable narrative. Obviously not the absurd side blood drinking and crazy stuff with wings. But aspects and references. Sorry, if this seems like a rant but i really like the idea that the primarchs can be relatable to some degree. I just find scenes like this very precious, since it brushes on the human side of these transhumans.

[@Vairy_2972]

thank you

[@zealous9955]

This is one of my most favourite stories

[@boraeananaren]

Just found the channel and working through the back catalogue - your query on the lost primarchs has made me wonder if one of them was a pariah - psionically null. Since the Emperor and primarchs are all psychic to some degree they couldn't function around him. Just a thought!

[@DancaniaX]

I think that in the very end of it all, right at the final meeting between horus and sanguinius he's going to tell him that he kept that promise to not tell a soul.

[@ianharrison5758]

I can imagine it going “Sanginius, my Brother. You will die today, a shame. You truly were the best of us. I hope you know, before the end, that I kept my promise.”

[@louisdemm1758]

Dude, I can see you getting pretty big. You have a great voice and instead of talking about the lore offhand, you actually read it to us. You kinda sound a bit like Obsidian Ant who makes videos about Elite Dangerous.

[@williammaier3028]

Absolutely badass!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@fallenbygravity]

I've noticed a dangerous lack of thousand sons content here. 30K TS were an amazing legion. Granted in 40k they've become little more than a Saturday morning cartoon.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

WHAT about that time when Conrad Kurze watched Batman Begins?

[@Ryan-sf8nf]

This is tragic bruh I wasn’t ready to cry

[@SianiAnne]

Novel was awesome. I've always liked the Blood Angels. Sadly, the official Sanguinius model is too expensive for me. I resorted to the Kabuki Models Angel Knight. Horus saw everyone else's flaws, and never his own. Arrogance supreme, which trait he often hung on others...and not always wrongly. Blood Angels are my second favorite loyal Legion/Chapter.

[@anthonywayne9797]

Are the Kabuki models still available?

[@andrewjohns844]

... I like how even after his fall horus didn't say anything...

[@Danterag5]

Yo the last two sentences of this story hit me in the heart because Horus freaking kills the shit out of Sanguinious. They should use this rewrite opportunity to make Sanguinious go full blood rage vs Horus during the siege of Tarra; making him like a demi god. Then Horus with all his new chaos buffs, beats his angel ass down.

[@JethVids]

Are your next set of vids about the Lion?

[@Necrodermis]

Kind of interesting to note that Horus even till the end of the heresy never used this information against Sanguinius. He could have but never did. Hope that gets covered in one of the novels

[@Doomseer]

Damn you Horus for breaking the heart of a brother that trusted and loved you more than any other with the only exception being the Emperor himself... Damn you Horus!

[@EmilyXiong1999]

This is one of the most tragic stories of the primarchs. It's even more sad when you realize what is yet to come. Not sure if I want to read that story.

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

this story is so tragic

[@kelman727]

The irony is that the BA are worrying over nothing. When Cawl created the BA Primaris he theorised the Emperor deliberately made them that way (as with the SW) and so refused to eliminate the genome. This is why BA still have the Red Thirst (but not the Black Rage - yet) but are far better able to direct and control it. Guilliman knows this as well.

[@Archon3960]

So, are you saying the Emperor made the Thousand Sons like _this_ ? And here I thought he was mean to Magnus before... x)

[@muzanjackson8827]

@@Archon3960 maybe not the thousand sons, cause he wanted big red to sit (shit?) on the golden throne (toilet?) so he could walk around.

[@Archon3960]

@@muzanjackson8827 Mortarion would've been more adept at this task... x)

[@muzanjackson8827]

@@Archon3960 It's a golden throne, my guy. Would you put an anti-hygiene primarch on it?

[@charlesjodoin6815]

Dope

[@jakewu8268]

Wait the lion is next??