Hot Or Flop? // Onewheel GTS Rally Edition Breakdown

[@Argotiers]

We gotta get all Float Life lab coats for these!

[@TheFloatLife]

Damn, I actually have one hanging in my office from the Dose Doctors vids. Missed opportunity for sure!

[@sebafucile9344]

They’re the Garand Thumb of onewheels

[@brandonphillips4042]

Lolol, tell the measuring guy to hold the measuring stick straight up and down, perpendicular with the board. 😂😂 He was holding it at an angle at 5:23 ish, and that’ll give him a bigger #

[@joe5834]

I was thinking this the whole time!

[@garrymullins]

At the end of the day they're just making a KZbin video. If they were going to produce products against these measurements they would certainly take their time to make sure they get it right. Their products are always perfectly measured down to the micrometer, so gotta take this video with a grain of salt.

[@Ondrix]

​@@garrymullins True, but the did start by saying "we want to be scientific" after trying to eyeball it. Nobody actually expected them to be as milimetrically exact as they would be in desiging their products... but we did expect better than him holding the calipers at so much of an angle we could see it on camera 😂.

[@garrymullins]

@@Ondrix bro it was a joke. What scientist do you know who records and reports their results live on camera lmao 🤣

[@brandonphillips4042]

@@garrymullins Oh yeah absolutely, haha, just seemed like a huge waste of time in the video, I honestly skipped through when I was watching lolol. Love C&R, just wanted to point it out haha. They definitely take their time when they are producing products, i’ve never received a single product bad, misfit, blemished, or anything. C&R team is legit!

[@connorleeduckworth8952]

Double tracked audio hurts my head

[@vafixer8885]

i was checking my earphones like wtf happened lol

[@nbrewno]

Same. Brutal on this one

[@Pickle-0-Juice]

Seriously. Why 😭

[@Thorinox]

As it is my first board, I am finding the rally edition awesome. I've had it for 4 days now, and I'm by no means very good on these yet but I'm loving it.

[@marcusl8243]

Rally edition for your first board? Lmao that’s like getting a Lamborghini after passing your license

[@bretley361]

Congrats on your board man, you're gonna love it!

[@Thorinox]

@bretley361 Thanks. Of what times I've manage to learn, I'm loving it.

[@hackjealousy]

@@marcusl8243 It’s actually much safer to have the torque, especially if you’re bigger. The GTS wants to go faster too, which isn’t great for new riders.

[@MrDmadness]

​@@dezh2544you mis spelled vesc

[@RainyCobra]

My friend nicknamed the Recurve "mullet rails" cause of the big kick in the back and mellow dub in the front

[@anthonym7281]

Ive got a massive issue with the way you guys were using those calipers to measure ground clearance, it did not look perpendicular to the surface at all. Probably could have used that angle finder to hold the calipers at 90 degrees while you measured. Hope you guys remeasure and clear that bit up. Other than that, great video 👌 i loved the vibe at the beginning, everyone springing into action like doctors in the ER as soon as the board got there

[@josephknowles1326]

Not only that they don’t have a torpedo level in that joint? The iPhone level is the most inaccurate thing on earth! 🤔

[@brash.the_stampede]

This was about figuring out if you can say they ripped TFL off. This is like comparing your ex with your new girl. Or better yet, like comparing your long time, stable girlfriend to the new girl that just transferred in. You guys just need to keep doing your thing. Focus on that. You're going to make great aftermarket accessories to compliment this model.

[@mwiz100]

I'm with Robert- I instantly saw lightning rails in the recurve rails, at least the way it looks feels inspired by them even if unintentionally.

[@MrDmadness]

It's exactly that. Fm has literally zero of their own ideas

[@Full_Send_Luke]

OMG 😆 I thought Nico lost his leg when the camera first paned to him as well 🤣☠️

[@lostboyxiii]

Lighting rails and the WTFs are the best, IMO. I sold my Dub Tails for the Recurve because of how much my rear leg cramped and fatigued so fast. I really believe the Recurve’s mellow design is going to be 👌🏽🔥

[@bustergb13]

I freaking love my dub-tails. You guys made my GTS so awesome. MTE 5 INCH. 655 ENDURO, cold blocks, kush glow, drop top fender, bang bumpers, gripplles, and kick butt stickers. I can't wait for your front pad. Keep the goods coming!

[@mad-0614]

Will they ever do a front footpad?

[@kentf5627]

What are the angles on the low rider wtfs? Be cool just to have gt he angles listed on the website. Also really would love to hear more opinions and descriptions of the different tire options. I'm super pumped for all the cool tired you guys are doing!

[@garypeters2047]

Sidenote, 357's are 3.5 degrees front not 3, and 7 in the rear. Hence 357's. 3.5&7

[@TheFloatLife]

Thanks for the correction Gary!

[@garypeters2047]

@@TheFloatLife 🫶

[@quinn_wheel]

Yay a video with Badger!!

[@Mitchwilmarth]

I feel like I learned more about Dub Tails in this video than in the video about Dub Tails lol A video comparing Recurve vs Dub Tails on trail ride would be nice to see

[@bmfincthebest1826]

Plus they haven’t talked about dubs a lot

[@Ondrix]

Yes, I do love my lightining rails. Thank you for noticing! All joking aside though, do people really think they're that bad? Other than stock they're the only rails I've ridden so I have no frame of reference for comparison.

[@915shred]

I like my lightnings too 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@MQT.Onewheel]

I love my lightning

[@DockGorilla]

The way you are measuring isn’t true. You aren’t keeping it straight at all. Make a mark on the wall or something that is straight up and down. Not angled lol

[@Coreydavidw]

Can you put dubs on a rally board and be level without rewheel?

[@fed-upcat8055]

would like to see if this works too good idea

[@nicoaleman]

It would still be 1.5 degrees nose down. So not level, but much closer than a standard level GT/GTS with W's, and you wouldn't have to set custom nose high as aggressively to make up for the remaining angle, meaning it shouldn't have too many undesirable side effects. Riding backwards would still feel nose (battery side) high. Not ideal, but definitely workable.

[@indiemoto]

We’re scientists, Robert. The math is mathing😂. Great video 👏🏽

[@BLT-y9v]

Gotta be honest, these FM nitpick vids with low key dunks and clickbait titles are why I don’t really watch TFL vids anymore. Put the calipers away and just ride the thing. 😂

[@mb2q]

"... why I don't really watch TFL vids anymore." ... Starting now I assume? Seriously though, these "nitpicks" matter to plenty of people. If you've already dropped big money on FM then go enjoy your board. No reason to second guess anything now.

[@PolarBear002]

15:07 I am also a Steep n Deep guy, definitely the most "locked in" I've felt without footholds

[@breezeey9113]

Great haircut Jeff. Love your video and these science testing! Amazing to see em. Get well soon Nico, hope it heals super fast.

[@breezeey9113]

I cannot wait for Robert and your team to come out with the new rail.

[@Scream4Cheese]

@@breezeey9113what new rail?

[@Micah_Anderson]

Hoping to get me a GT-S soon🤞🤞🤙

[@EliteAtlantaHomes]

Floatwheel ADV2 or Funwheel X7

[@deanaoxo]

The STOKE is real. WTF is my jam, but hey, they're trying. Never gonna be on the hate wagon, but I sure don't like 'em, you guys, have to much fun, bring the SCIENCE, and have the most amazing team. Thanks Fam, you rock~!~ (Robert didn't want to go to the create a problem, then fix the problem place~!~)

[@CarveyKeitel]

Even higher center of gravity than stock!!! No thanks. #BringBackTheXR #LowCenterOfGravity

[@uhjyuff2095]

only if you stand on the edges of the board. Need to measure where your feet are placed on the foot pads. I could be wrong.

[@bretley361]

Reminds me of a mellow version X10 rails from fungineers. I really like them!

[@mb2q]

@TheFloatLife Hey Jeff, you often talk about your personal VESC settings being a "Trotter Start". What settings do you change to achieve this? I don't know if I'd like it but i know I want to try it because I can. Thanks for everything you do!

[@nicoaleman]

Float CFG -> Startup, you can adjust the Startup Pitch Tolerance to be greater so that the board engages the moment you engage the sensor. This determines how far of nose angle away from level it allows engaging the board. His board sits at 18 degrees with the tail down, so he would set it to 18 degrees to get this effect. Can't say I personally recommend it though 😂 Just asking for trouble haha

[@mb2q]

@@nicoaleman Thank you for the explanation. You're probably right with your recommendation but for some reason I want to try it, if for no other reasons then because I can. Haha.

[@Charlie-vb4sn]

Is the cardboard box art diffretn from the regular gts?

[@TheFloatLife]

Same

[@bigalharris]

That’s a cool question

[@chrisc790]

I know this is a little off-topic, but how do the 5" tires hold up for bigger guys? I want the most cushy ride, but when I hopped on a buddies board that had 5" low psi it felt kinda sloppy for lack of a better word.

[@mars-void]

Yes, pump it up

[@MrDmadness]

Tire size. Smaller will accelerate faster but have a lower top speed, a smaller tire, especially thinner profile will be more nimble. Lower pressure will allow smoother riding if trails are chunky..... to apoint, at a low enough psi it will feel sloppy and also risk burping air out in heavy cornering which will leave you walking.

[@brenden_walther]

My rally edition makes a weird noise at 11 mph but it goes away when I go faster or slower than 11 mph. I know it’s not haptic buzz because it’s in high line mode. Any idea what it might be?

[@nicoaleman]

Motor is probably just resonating at that specific speed, it'd be more noticeable on GTS than other boards because the stronger magnets make it a bit louder. It's not anything to worry about most likely

[@brenden_walther]

@@nicoaleman thank you

[@MrDmadness]

What kind of sound ? Bad bearings will make a grinding noise or a high pitched hum. Tire rubbing makes different sounds, as do capacitors discharging in a balanced circuit .

[@benjaminm5232]

I have a bad knee and my bad knee (back foot ) hurt after a long ride on the W's. Sick rails for control and acceleration, and I was in love as soon as I hopped on, but sadly my knee did not love them back. Looks like Recurve rails also aren't for me bc of that 3 degree increase. Straight back with a 3.5 front would be amazing.

[@nicoaleman]

The main factor that really matters in my experience is the total angle (nose angle + tail angle), which is mellower on Recurves. I haven't seen many cases where WTF was too much for people, but if that's the case, Recurves wouldn't be a bad call. They also naturally ride slightly nose down, so you could bump up the nose angle in custom to reduce the tail angle, making the angles closer to like 2.75-2.75 for the nose and tail without it feeling nose high still

[@benjaminm5232]

@@nicoaleman That a good point with the custom shaping. Definitely something to consider.

[@MrDmadness]

Might sound dumb, but try a tensor knee brace. I wear them on both knees and if I don't my knees achieve like hell after rides. Worth a try, 7s a $80 solution if it works

[@siwoz]

Nice. I don't have a any FM boards but this is interesting regardless.

[@FurryNonsense]

The GTSR

[@jaefrmbk2k]

they look mellow as hell. in a good way? ride review? 👀

[@brianpurdy7794]

We gotta see the ride review. Measurements are great but how does it feel!?? 😁

[@drumstickscarecrow]

I've been riding the Recurved rails a couple weeks now. To me, it feels similar to W's but with less rear kick and a tad higher COG overall. They still provide a decent ride though. I would place their ride comfort between Mustache rails and W's.

[@DaltonDearman-et4wn]

My question is, is the paint on the recurved rails shitty like the og gt? Cuz its just ridiculous bro i got a xr pint x and had a pint and none of the boards have lost paint off the rails just from sliding off the front bumper. Even with the rail guards my paint would still chip on the rails.

[@nicoaleman]

The rails are still poweder coated, like they are on GT

[@Holdingolden]

Sick double mic’ing tech

[@TheFloatLife]

Julian Here, Premiere likes to add/change things and not tell ya. My audio workflow just got flipped on it's head and only shows up in the rendered version (go figure). My bad for not checking the render

[@dash4786]

Local town shred video with the rally addition! Maybe vs battle with a GT with your wtf rails?

[@brash.the_stampede]

I know I'm not the only one, but how can you be "scientific" with inaccurate measurements. Idk, I see what you're trying to do though.

[@brash.the_stampede]

Wait. You're using your phone to determine level also? I'm commenting way too early. 😆 I need to watch the whole thing.

[@RobertLeclercq]

I like turtles.

[@terpnoid]

Same

[@shawnvanscooter1645]

I called out on Facebook that the rally was just a re hashed design. All I got was a certain person who is on race team and supposedly helped with the rally’s design say how much this design was so much better. I know the idea is to present similar rails that 3rd party vendors sell and to prevent board leveling which presents only 1 option. I know they are paid/sponsored, but let’s be honest.

[@lostboyxiii]

Have you actually ridden the Recurve rails or are you just another troll?

[@shawnvanscooter1645]

Not a troll. I call it like I see it. You do know there are three other boards with similar characteristics. It doesn’t take a genius to see they take away the ability to level a board and then come out with “somewhat similar characteristics”. Look at the FM racers and see what they ride as their own boards.

[@MrDmadness]

Bingo. Fm literally has no ideas of their own

[@AnthonyBlue1]

definitely want to see some riding w commentary

[@KD6TAV]

The point that hits should be measured as the clearance, not just some point that doesn’t. Then that point can be evaluated. Right?

[@TheFloatLife]

Great news! We also measured that in the follow-up video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2irqICGnNmahpIsi=yNtbMy98VO_HpVnH

[@chewypinecone]

Less measuring, more riding!! We wanna hear ride thoughts

[@tracieholland1451]

Easy on them calipers Jeff😅

[@jamalbrown7039]

so what does it make so rally? Im just fishing for the summary here. But I cant find it in the video.

[@MQT.Onewheel]

Reminds me of leveled Lightning rails

[@RIDE-o-REBELLION-o-FLOATCAST]

Hey, any chance you can do a solid and measure the FloatWheel adv rail angles? Always been curious

[@mad-0614]

They should do a comparison of all rails. All this time I thought lightening where the same as the x10

[@gb0ost]

A lot of those races are downhill so it make sense that’s how these are setup

[@samguy7587]

I also thought they were lightning rails but like mellow

[@0newheeldrives]

Ride review with Jeff? 👉👈

[@zachs358]

They look more like x10 / x7 rails for the GT platform

[@mars-void]

I was really hoping Nico’s 2.2° estimate would come in low 🫠

[@luckygunner3294]

So is it worth it or not

[@unchainedq6939]

Nerds! Kidding ❤ you guys.

[@ol_swift]

They look like fungineers rails

[@MrDmadness]

They ARE fungineer rails ( that fm made )

[@dezh2544]

Race your board with the new rally see who wins. FM boats are still kicking butt in the races… crazy

[@TheFloatLife]

Well they're the only ones allowed to race in the pro division so... 🤷‍♀️ There was one exhibition race this year at an ORL sanctioned event and an FM board did not win. At the end of the day it's a bit of the board for sure, but the rider has a whole heck of a lot to do with it too.

[@dezh2544]

@@TheFloatLife just thought we’d be ahead of FM by now. If you can’t beat’em I guess join’em… Bodhi was right 😵‍💫

[@jaefrmbk2k]

a​head of FM in FM's Pro Division? 😂 make it make sense

[@lewwylately7467]

​@@dezh2544I disagree, if FM went bust tomorrow, depending on what happened to the patent, it could be better for the sport. I want to buy a new board, but none of the FM boards offer what I need, VESC does but building it myself and ordering parts from across the globe is such a pain. I'd like a bunch of different brands like we have for motorcycles or skateboards. That way we can get better deals, support a local brand or just get a better board than currently on offer. The FM options just don't cut in, I want a GT platform with a 800wh split pack battery in one board for full day missions, and an XR platform with BANGs, dubs and a much smaller battery for tricks and local shredding. XR style pushback, no buzzing or beeping at me. If there was a challenger brand they could offer me this. Help me Tony 1-kinobi you're our only hope.

[@MrDmadness]

Not if vescs are racing... not even close

[@Floatin-G-91]

Wait Jeff, since u measured the overall thickness of the rally rails and they were the same thickness all the way correct? So on stock rails they are thicker in the front/back, so if u measured off the top of the rails then your nose clearance measurement might be off a bit no? Was just thinking about that, since the rally rails are technically not quite as thick then maybe thats how FM is saying u dont loze any nose clearance u know? Because the bottom of the nose is actually a tad higher off the ground since the rails arent quite as thick.. does that make sense? Haha

[@TheFloatLife]

Great question! We measured to the top corner which has to be exactly the same so that the footpads and bumpers will interface. I'm going to re-measure again when I can though, to double check.

[@Floatin-G-91]

@@TheFloatLife For sure man, cuz you were totally right when measuring the top corner, but thinner rails would actually mean a little more clearance so the thinner rails gotta be whats making up for the actual rail height loss. But ya i am curious man, if u do remeasure let me know haha 🤙.... but damn i didnt think about the bumpers/footpads, so wtff if the rails are actually thinner than stock how the F are the bumpers lining up with the footpads.. lol, ya that dont make sense at all. I did not think about that! But damn, keep me posted now i am super curious

[@nicoaleman]

The thickness of the rails is the same in the nose and tail for stock GT and Recurves. The stock rails just get thinner in the center near the axle. It's just an aesthetic design choice, doesn't impact anything functionally

[@Floatin-G-91]

@@nicoaleman Ooh for sure, i thought when they were measuring i heard the recurves were not quite as thick as the stock GT rails, they do look a bit thinner overall to me compared to stock GT, looks about the same thickness as the middle of stock GT but hard to tell on video. But thanks for the info Nico, u the man

[@nicoaleman]

@Floatin-G-91 Yeah unfortunately there's no physical way to make the rails any thinner in the nose and tail, doing so would require custom bumpers at least, if not custom enclosures as well.

[@blakeford5186]

The audio sounds so strange.

[@MrDmadness]

Mic echoing from them both wearing lapelle mics and not knowing how to master audio

[@jeremymaclou]

Ride it bois

[@ShawnGTS62]

Higher center of gravity than even stock?...no thanks.

[@uhjyuff2095]

1/4" measurement on the GTS rally. FM is saying its the same, who do I believe?

[@TheFloatLife]

🤷‍♀️

[@jeremyshearer]

Turtle power 🐢

[@toomanytvs29]

No, why dinosaurs can’t ride Onewheels…………. Because they’re dead.

[@mrawesome1821]

When you gonna ride this?

[@TheFloatLife]

Raequel been riding it the last 2 days

[@mrawesome1821]

@@TheFloatLife good or meh?

[@vesconewheel]

Weecuwve Wails

[@TheFloatLife]

UwU

[@MrDmadness]

Just measure from the ouside edge of the tire to thencenter of the rail.. as a guy who builds pressureveseels ( spheres often ) i cringe at the way you measured. A caliper is only as good as the person using it, respectfully intended for the rail angles you need a static reference.. draw a straight line and lay the board sideways on it.. then mark top edge and bottom edge of rails and compare it to your reference

[@TheFloatLife]

Here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2irqICGnNmahpI

[@picklerick7953]

That wasn't level I'll show you true level

[@TheFloatLife]

Pickle riiiiiick!

[@jeremyshearer]

Way too many mics… making an echo

[@TheFloatLife]

It’s two, and if you’ve got a way to frame perfect-ly sync audio tracks in premiere without increasing the project framerate to 60 fps, I’d love to hear it! -Julian

[@theHTMSS]

Will Future Motion ever join the rail game sales and not force a whole board on us to change to their new rails?

[@Justsobusy]

Flop, its a cash grab... buy a Floatwheel

[@ignasias]

🇨🇳

[@AuRowe]

​@@ignasias All ows are China made. Technically all FWs are assembled in the USA since connecting the 2 parts of the board is technically an assembly. Rather support a honest China company than a lying USA one whos owner claims to have invented OW; A company copying Apple even down to website design and marketing.

[@MrDmadness]

100%

[@1c2h3i4v5a6s]

First

[@GAMBiT_89]

Need a comparison video