How Accurate is Fate's King Arthur?

[@GabrielHenrique-pq5bo]

Lalter: appears out of nowhere* Fight Lose ''I will be back'' Never appears again proceeds to be one of the most neglected servants in the entire game not only i KNOW she would have been a better servant if she were to be released nowadays, she would have been better used in story, the potential is there but they dont do anything with it

[@hoytrichardson3448]

Ywain, the actual son of Morgan Le Fay, and by extension the nephew of King Arthur, had a pet Lion the he took into battle, which earned the an epitaph along the lines ‘The Knight of the Lion’. With Morgan and Morgause being fused into a single character, this may be a way to give a nod to Ywain.

[@IrascibleTank]

I think her Crown of the Stars CE is supposed to be a nod to her name being Pendragon, it was said that Uther didn’t take up the name Pendragon until he saw a comet passing by that was shaped like the head of a dragon which inspired him to make the name Pendragon which means “Dragon’s Head”. I think the CE represents Artoria’s willingness to become her father’s successor not just because the people are counting on her to become a great ruler, but to also continue on her father’s legacy as a Pendragon.

[@CrazyYurie]

To be honest, that CE was difficult for me to figure out since the CE text is a bit... abstract. x_x

[@Lilly_Fae]

24:54 no need to guess, in the garden of avalon novel it was noted Guinevere who had a crush on arthur had her dreams crushed the moment her dream was fulfilled when they married and artoria revealed her gender to Guinevere ^^

[@Fronswath]

Oh I didn't know there was more lore there Dang type moon not getting us these novels 😂 hope that changes with the hopeful success of the stay night remake

[@kylepessell1350]

Did the novel expound more on Guinevere's role in the story? I always found it strange how she seems wholly neglected by FGO. Even Lancelot and Arther don't have much to say regarding her.

[@Lilly_Fae]

@@kylepessell1350there's a small section about her but ultimately the novel is about the knight's perspectives so her role is still rather small

[@Fronswath]

@@kylepessell1350 I think she isn't in fgo because they have stated they don't want Artoria (saber specifically) to be a main character because she has had her time in the spotlight. They can do a lot with the knights without her but I think anything with Guinevere would have to involve her somewhat heavily

[@duelist4512]

Ok a few things: ● Lancer Alter is specifically supposed to depict her in her apperance in the Wild Hunt. ● Rhongo is that strong because they mixed it's Legend with the Legend of Longinus, the Spear Percival uses. Considering it's supposed to be the spear that pierced Christ, it's extremely powerful when depicted in fiction. Rhongo took the more Divine and destructive aspects of the spears power while Percival took it's more Regenrative aspects, likely because his legend is linked to the holy grail. ●Before anybody reads this, Lostbelt 6 spoilers ahead, I repeat, Lostbelt 6 spoilers ahead, I am not responsible if you spoil yourself. Excalibur does play a pivotal role in Lostbelt 6, in a way. The chain of events that led to the Lostbelt taking place was percisely because Excalibur wasn't made in the first place. Caster Artoria was supposed to be a Sacrifice to make the weapon until Muramasa took her place. Excalibur, at least in fate, is supposed to be the strongest holy sword to battle against threats to humanity and is made up of the essence of humanity itself. This is why Artoria Caster was supposed to be a Sacrifice, it was supposed to use her experiences she had to craft the blade. Of course, in story we only got the essence of the sword. ●Castoria also has something that was recently added into the game that Excalibur should inherantly possess, an increase in damage to Threats to Humanity. This trait was added with Castoria so it makes sense why Excalibur doesn't have it. Proto Arthur has a representation of it with his Super Giant Power Mod, and you'll see what I mean once the Draco Event comes around. Funnily enough, certain enemies that should be threat to humanity, like Goetia, were never given the tag. Guess devs got lazy. ●Saber Alter isn't just supposed to be a more tyranical version of Artoria, it's supposed to be her if her personality was similar to Morgan. Sort of an alternate take to see what Morgan herself would be like as a ruler of Camalot. Hence, Excalibur Morgan's name.

[@kylepessell1350]

You would think that Saber Alter being evil would mean that all of her alter forms are evil but her Lancer Alter form is not Evil alignment but is in fact Good aligned. Also yeah they should definitely go back and add extra damage against threats to humanity to Excalibur at least since that's what it was specifically designed to do. Proto Arthur even does a whole chant about saving the world when using his.

[@johnmorrison519]

31:52 ngl arthur is more of a proto shirou in my opinion I mean his personality doesn't seem to reflect artorias personality and for ayaka she's more of a proto sakura.

[@Fronswath]

I believe I think Nasu said that that is almost exactly what they did they just morphed ayaka into Artoria and proto Arthur into Shirou, obviously not 1:1 though

[@ethanwebster3764]

@@Fronswathyou mean morbed?

[@saxor96]

Sadly, Proto Arthur's involvement in Lilim Harlot is just in a flashback that just retells in mobile format his 2 minute appearance in Arcade. Apparently because the Beast he's hunting still hasn't even appeared yet.

[@CrazyYurie]

Why hello there!

[@saxor96]

@@CrazyYurie Hello! Great video as always.

[@jkosch]

Artoria did not just fight Vortigern, but still subdued a bunch of petty knights after drawing the sword of selection. Small bits of that are scattered throughout the Fate Franchise with Rience and Pellionore being among those mentioned. Rience was featured in a narration by Artoria (and graphically represented by a shadow outline of Gilgamesh) in Hollow Ataraxia. Riens (= Riens = Ryence = Ryones = Ryons = Rion(s) )had defeated many other kings and trimmed his coat with their cut-off beards. In Fate when he learned that "Arthur" (Artoria) had no beard he demand to have her Ahoge. He also was the father of Britomart in Spencer's The Fairy Queen, so he is most likely the grandfather of the Britomart we have in FGO (since she is the daughter of the original one). It is the same scene that introduced the concept shown in Carnival Phantasm that getting rid of Artorias Ahoge turns her Alter, even without grail corruption, as a kind of defense mechanism - because her draconic nature makes the Ahoge her "reverse scale" (Gekirin). Both Artoria's and Arthur's Excalibur have 13 seals. The difference is that Arthur goes through the unlocking process confirmation most of the time he makes true name release whereas Artoria's seals seem to stay open once the condition has been cleared (until the condition is contradicted maybe?, one pof her interludes in FGO has her mentioned seals of her Excalibur being lifted). Also interesting fact: Rhongomyniad did copy the concept of the thirteen seals from Excalibur (and that certainly must be true for Prototype and other Fate worlds) . There are also a few more weapons of king Arthur that make appearances in Fate. Secace is used (transformed into a sniper rifle) by Summer Salter (which in the versions it appears in becomes Lancelots weapon). Carnwennan and Marmyadose (in some versions also formerly the sword of Rience ...) get mentioned too (e.g. in Caser Artoria's profile), but I assume those are left out because you said you would leave Castoria out.

[@dakotadoyle7573]

There is an actual in universe reason for why Artoria ate so much for a servant in Stay Night: Shirou wasnt a proper mage and couldn't supply Artoria with the amount of magical energy she would need to fight at her peak, she ate so much to basically replace the magical energy Shiro wasbt strong enough to provide

[@colt1903]

It helped that Shiro is an amazing cook.

[@JohnShepherd117]

One thing I will point out is that Saber also has seals on her Excalibur that are called “oaths” the main difference between these is that while Arthur has to reapply these seals Saber when she removes an oath it’s permanently removed at least until she is resumoned other than that good video

[@DragonKnight90001]

In welsh literature King Arthur was given Excalibur the name derived from the Welsh word Caledfwch (English translates it to Hardship) and his spear Rhongmyniad by god.. not only this and it’s not really mentioned anywhere else he had a dagger named Carnwennan. So King Arthur had 3 weapons.

[@travonarmstrong6093]

Artoria Caster's 3rd Ascension, Artoria Avalon, does mention Carnwennan as one of her Mystic Codes, specifically those blue crystal spear things she uses.

[@DragonKnight90001]

@@travonarmstrong6093 ah ok I did not notice that… huh the more you know

[@Prowarrior1175]

Would be cool if she was a assassin with it as her noble phantasm

[@colt1903]

King Arthur also had a bow as well, though I can't remember the name of it.

[@vallhalla101]

It may be good to note that for the lancer versions (especially in the Camelot singularity,) Goddess Rhongomyniad was immortal since Excalibur was never returned. Between both the 1k years that passed, the individual path she took after being unable to die, and effects from the lance is what led to her character acting as it did in the singularity. As for the identity of the "Tower at the End of the World", that seems to be inspired by a mix of Shakespeare's King Lear and future cultural changes from it like the Roland Dark Tower poem, which is still linked to British history though not Arthurian

[@AkaRedFallen]

Definitely this, and keep in mind, in Fate, most things that have a Legend are subject to additional changes/additions to the legend. For example, Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon: it has the "originals" or "Prototypes" of just about everything weapon or otherwise inside it, even futuristic tech. The idea is the treasury kept growing as the world did, as new legends did, and so what Gil could access when summoned grew and grew, and will continue to grow along with his legend. In the Same Manner, Rhongomyniad's legend and significance in other legends would amalgamate, making it FAR more than the real world counterpart was ever meant to be. Similarly, if you look into Grey's story from the Case Files series, you'll see a whole other angle to what came after Arthur's defeat, and let me tell ya, for me it Add(s) to the complexity of the Lance. (See what I did there? if not, no worries but to those who did, envision my cheeky grin!) In any case, can't argue the metrics you used or the grades, thanks for the video and here's hoping good fortune finds you!

[@JJSquirtle]

So in other words, Heroic Champion Rhongomyniad from Yu-Gi-Oh being broken power amped the Gate version

[@JJSquirtle]

I can't see my reply for some reason, assuming server delay. Autocorrect has thus dubbed FATE is not a word apparently

[@darkhorse744]

Nasu is a serious westaboo.

[@floris4972]

plottwist, rhongomyniad got given powers so the writers could fit some more references into case files

[@Dyundu]

30:00 Per the legends, Prydwyn is the ship that bore Arthur’s body to Avalon after Camlann Hill, y’know, where *Mordred killed him.* The absolute disrespect of Mo using THAT as a bludgeoning weapon and SURFBOARD is hilarious to me, and is why Summer Mo is a permanent in my lineup in FGO. 😂

[@Cozmotown]

28:57 well in Arthurian legend there was a knight part of the round table who’s legend has him take care of a lion cub who will later become his companion into his death but seeing how he apparently doesn’t exist in fate like some of the other knight of the round table I guess that means he’s legend of taking care a lion cub got given to artoria which to me is sad and funny at the same time somehow.

[@tylernash8522]

I remember hearing at one point in time Arthurian mythology is just medieval fanfiction

[@CrazyYurie]

I mean... that's not entirely wrong. XD

[@Omen_Seven]

Something I was hoping you'd mention about Artoria's design in this or the other Pendragon videos, is that the artists likely picked blue because for her clothing because for most of human history, it was an extremely expensive dye to produce, which is why primarily royals and high ranking nobility are depicted wearing it. So that, paired with the gold inlays on her dress would clearly mark Artoria as royalty. A silly, nerdy detail to he sure, but that's why we're all here, right?

[@janekge6761]

Artorias Excalibur also has seals on its power, they are merely not called out every time she wants to use the sword. She talks about it in her FGO interlude.

[@weisstofall2615]

Ok, it makes sense that rongomyniad is SO ridiculous. I thought it was ridiculous she didn't use it more in legen if it was that powerful

[@Gabriel.Vega.]

30:14 "Statements to the contrary shall be considered slander" It is not, i resent that. Slander is spoken, in print is libel. - JJJ

[@CrazyYurie]

Gyaa...

[@josecuestas7246]

Heroine X: "Artorias all over the shop... You'll be one of them, sooner or later."

[@DragonKnight90001]

Fear the artorias by the gods fear them Laurence.

[@josecuestas7246]

"Ah, Altria... Or some say, Artoria... Do you hear our prayers? No, we shall not abandon the hope for a Remake. No one can forces us give up! No one can stop us now!" "As you once did for Unlimited Blade Works route... Grant us Remake, Grant us Remake! Makes that Ufotable remakes the Fate route to cleanse our beastly misery!"

[@BLACKOPSREACTIONS]

​@@josecuestas7246Nice Bloodborne Reference

[@starryeyes1190]

I remember hearing a couple times about a story explaining the reason why Arthur decided to go out and find the grail in the first place was because he and all the knights had a shared dream where they saw the cup covered by a cloth on a table piled with food that (the apparently very hungry) Arthur happily chowed down on. So maybe Artoria’s Big Eater running gag was originally an over-exaggerated reference to that little tidbit, like with Roland and his streaking habit.

[@theopeneyes]

Surprised you went through this entire video without addressing the Altria in the room. Overall I greatly enjoy these videos as they stick to the facts and you do your best to minimize bias and wield your grading with merciless bluntness. For example as cool as Lancer Artoria is, she is ultimately a "OC plz donut steel" situation when we compare her lore references to the actual source material.

[@CrazyYurie]

I do not know what this "Altria" is, but it sounds like dumb executive meddling. :P

[@maxtube444]

I like how you say something is “a creation of the writers” instead of something like “this is wrong”, since the latter comes with a more negative connotation, whereas the former respects that just because something isn't necessarily accurate to the legends, it can still be good and enticing writing outside of that capacity

[@alycatblues27]

Holy hell, trying to do a lore dive for a character as massive as Artoria is an immense undertaking, but I think you did it really well, this was a really fun video! While I personally connect with Mordred a bit more, I think it is impressive that Fate has done so much with King Arthur, since I've seen plenty of versions of him that treat him as Generic Protagonist. Although I'm still holding out hope we get a Wild Hunt event someday to give Lalter a chance to shine. Also, as a side note, I'm a pretty big Trekkie, so I was extremely amused to see Patrick Stewart pop up in a Fate video. I had forgotten about the movie Excalibur

[@CrazyYurie]

I almost put "PATRICK STEWART!" at that point in the video, but held off.

[@Cozmotown]

29:49 if you think that weird I want to mention how Excalibar name is just caliber but with Ex in front.

[@jacopoarmini7889]

I really recommend you give a look at the movie Excalibur, I think that movie inspired Fate (at least when it comes to King Arthur) more than any other source

[@Vfanatic1]

Two things to note One: The Gender Flip is also because Nasu wanted to write a love story along with his story of "Hey mythical/historical figures fight" but felt a female main character with a male secondary wouldn't sell as much. Given how big Fate is now I say he made the right call Two: Artoria's gluttony is also attributed to Shirou being an inept mage with burnt out magical circuits so couldn't provide the mana like other Masters. Though Shirou's cooking probably made it easier.

[@sumwherenotgud3386]

Lancer Artoria Alter has the same alignment as Lancer Artoria which is Lawful Good

[@t3dweipin193]

Ain't it kinda funny that Castoria is more of a Morgan than Artoria This is the only input i can give for Artoria

[@kylepessell1350]

I always wanted to know Guinevere's thoughts about the legend of King Arthur in Fate. Did she resent Altria for her role as essentially a political trophy wife? Was she sad about her role in the fall of Camelot and Lancelot's disgrace? What was her relationship like with the other knights of the round table? There are a lot of unanswered questions about her despite being one of the more famous queens in history. None of the Arthurian Servants have much to say about her at all which seems quite strange especially Lancelot and Altria who were her lover/spouse.

[@DrFunkPpT]

For a bit of context about Rhongomyniad, it’s also known as the spear that pierced the side of Christ during his crucifixion. Which is probably why it was conflated as a magical divine weapon of some kind. This is expanded upon in n Fate/Requiem, where Longinus (the guy who wielded the spear) is one of the strongest characters in the story.

[@kziila0244]

What? That can’t be right. Longinus is wielded by Percival among the Arthurian knights. Longinus was said to rival Rhongomyniad in Fate, but the two spears weren’t conflated.

[@saxor96]

That is a completely different spear, wielded by Percival.

[@CrazyYurie]

That spear is Longinus, not Rhongomyniad.

[@_vnfr]

the saber class is truly made of sabers

[@PGM991]

that last laugh is indeed a CRAZY Yurie

[@CrazyYurie]

I put "crazy" in my username for a reason! :P

[@doriankromer168]

While connected to Versions of her that you excluded, some of her other weapons are in the game. Artoria Avalon got her hands on both Marmyadoise and Carnwenan (or at least created her own version of them) while Summer Salter seems to have modified Secace into a gun (probably as a joke of it being arthurs side-arm). The wild hunt connection isn't limited to Lalter either, Goddess Rhongomyniad called herself the King of the Storm to and I believe is also the reason that Salter qualifies for Santa (Wild Hunt Leader -> Odin -> Santa). Santa Lalter when?

[@potatocancer1125]

Amazing vid man love these don’t burn yourself out making them

[@sandanzuki8320]

Please do other Knights of the Round Table, thanks. Love your videos man.

[@CrazyYurie]

They are on the way! Check the Community Tab for polls and updates!

[@FirstLast-hd4oe]

Me looking ahead for the basis on Tristan's fairy strings

[@anothisflame8266]

Something to note about Rhongomyniad in Fate seems to have some connection with trees. With its function as a divine construct that helps pin the texture on the world that is auspices. Particularly the various depictions and flashes of a knarled old tree wrapped around itself. To me this brings to mind the only norse and celtic tree that matters, Yggdrasil, the world tree. Does this have any connection to arthur? Nope. None nadda. Arthur is mostly an old Welsh myth that was later adopted by the Anglos (the English) and has more in common with the heroes of Irish mythology than the norse conqurers who came later. Then why do I bring it up? I just thought it was neat.

[@markangelolutan2951]

Artoria's Invisible Air does have some mythological basis as Uther Pendragon was a capable druid and invented one of the Three Great Enchantments of Britain, Shapeshifting, with Merlin's help (which is what allowed Uther to conecieve Arthur with Igraine) and taught it to Menw, one of the knights in King Arthur's band during Cullwch and Olwen. Menw was capable of making things seem invisible as if they were gusts of wind likely thanks to being taught the enchantment by Uther. 'Menw son of Teirgwaedd was called by Arthur, for if they should come into a pagan land he could cast a spell so that no one could see them, but they could see everyone.' Since Merlin helped create it, he likely made the Bounded Field for Artoria to use in general to support her knights, but Artoria's sheer mana from the Dragon Reactor Core just made her use the wind as an offensive and mobility tool. Becoming a servant through the World has her use it to conceal Excalibur and fulfil its original intent.

[@CrazyYurie]

Which story does Uther appear as a druid? I'm curious about this. :o

[@markangelolutan2951]

@@CrazyYurie A mistake calling him a druid and more someone capable of doing magic like a druid, since the other two who got the Great Enchantments, Gwydion and Coll, are much more capable 'druids' or mages than Uther. (Gwydion kind of being Welsh Merlin.)

[@brunosanto3488]

By the way. It wouldn't be bad for a future video to see that Servants were the winners and the losers in the characterization in FGO. Yes, it's great to know the historical background and elements that make up the Servant legend, but that doesn't help much if none of that is present or characterized in FGO. Since I know of cases of Servants that are great in the historical background, but are meh as characters in FGO. Just as there are Servants who have an inexistent or uninteresting historical background, but they are still great characters in FGO.

[@CrazyYurie]

Oh, you mean grading by character-quality rather than accuracy? That sounds like a tier-list sort of thing. :o

[@azavierjones543]

The funny thing about the spear that a template implied that the Divinity itself and the spear two different things in one body Sean by Gray you can only use the spear it's significantly more of a normal weapon I like anime up so it's a giant laser

[@weisstofall2615]

She may not be too popular, but I'd like to see a video in Osakabehime, since she's a character that has made me laugh a lot

[@CrazyYurie]

She's not popular? Well, I plan to do her at some point, for sure!

[@lunerblade13]

I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the difference in ranks between the charisma’s of the different artoria’s

[@CrazyYurie]

I forgot. x_x

[@Trubripes]

"Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony."

[@CrazyYurie]

Har har.

[@pakboris2268]

I`ve never heard anyone saying Salter. I usually heard Altoria

[@CrazyYurie]

I might be a weirdo. :o

[@pakboris2268]

@@CrazyYurie also Salter makes me think of salt😃🧂

[@FirstLast-hd4oe]

Arthur had the ability to turn himself or his friends invisible in lore so Invisible Air does have a slight basis

[@CrazyYurie]

Where is that?

[@Itsfubuki]

​@@CrazyYurie The poem of Pa gur begins as a dialogue between Arthur and Glewlwyd: ‘What man is the gatekeeper?’ - ‘Glewlwyd Great Grasp; what man asks it?’ - ‘Arthur and [or with] Cei the fair.' - ‘What [band] goes with you?’ - ‘The best men in the world.’ - ‘Into my house you will not come unless you vouch for them’ - ‘I shall vouch for them, and you will see them,’ Many scholars interpret this as the magical ability of Arthue to make others invisible. 'I shall reveal them, and you shall see them' with reference to Arthur's men. Thomas Jones has brought attention to this word and has intriguingly argued in light of this that the sense of the passage should thus be taken as indicating that when Arthur and his followers arrive at the gate they are invisible and that, 'since Arthur promises to reveal them' so that the porter can 'see them', one of Arthur's "endowments' or magical gifts in the background story was the power to make his men invisible'. Certainly this fits well with the early and strong tradition that Arthur possessed an Otherworldly mantle called Gwenn ('white, pure, sacred, holy, Otherworldly') that granted invisibility (Jones,-; Bromwich,:; Bromwich and Evans, : xxxv; Ford,:). It also fits with the fact that in Culhwch one of Arthur's men, Menw son of Teirgwaedd, had this same ability. In the Triads (no. W) Menw is said to have been taught the, unspecified, 'Enchantment of Uthyr Pendragon' by Arthur's father himself - this might well be seen as significant in the present context (see further below on Uthyr, Bromwich, a:, -). This 'ability', if this can be taken as a reference to it, obviously implies that Arthur was considered to be a figure of magic and folklore by the author of Pa gur. It would also help confirm the picture drawn from the other sources of Arthur as someone inhabiting a world of magic and who may well possess supernatural characteristics himself, such as his potential giant-like stature. - The Concepts of Arthur (2007), pg. 82

[@alric8940]

Artoria my beloved ❤

[@aphdisket3154]

8:25 The reason for this skill to be Dragon's Core is because she actually has a dragon in her mana circuits. As they breath out pure mana, Merlin sealed one in her mana circuits to basically make her have enough mana to use Excalibur (although that doesn't make much sense since she's still very dependent on her Master's mana despite having a theoretically infinite mana source) As for Excalibur, as you said on the end of the section, it was first created to defeat the White Titan, which was causing rampage among deities, even killing what seems to be the strongest character in the Franchise in terms of raw power, Amaterasu. The Faeries of the beginning created this sword for this sole purpose. I've also heard some stuff about Merlin supervising the sword's forging, using a dragon's fire for it as well, but I think it's mostly from another version of the Arthurian legend than a fate thing 17:06 King Arthur was known for feasting a lot and bringing absurd amount of food during the multiple meals he provided (he was described as very generous multiple times), so even though I doubt that's the origine of Artoria being a big eater it's a pretty funny coincidence that could almost be related to it For Rhongomyniad, I remember something as it being blessed by God in some myths. If we stretch it hard enough, that can make it for explaining why it's given so much importance. Maybe it's also linked to the fact that it was forged in a city got nicknamed "Merlin's fortress" or something similar, but it's really stretching it very hard and probably has no connexion to it at all. And even if it's all original from FGO, I still think Artoria Lancer is the best version of Artoria. I feel like she's a better written character than Artoria Saber, both in Camelot and outside Camelot. Artoria was always described as a terrible king, as someone who was taught to be a knight rather than a king. That's why she's named the king of knights. Tristan said it, "The king cannot understand the men's heart" (or something similar). Many blame Lancelot of the downfall of Camelot, and although it's true, Artoria still has at least 35% or 40% of blame on it. She neglected her own son and disapproved their blood relation (although that's understandable as Mordred wasn't really desired), and from as far as I've seen, it keeps happening while being Servants (see Artoria Archer's dialogue concerning Mordred Rider, although pretty funny she's literally asking us with what she should kill Mordred with as both NPs would pretty much kill Mordred), only exception being Prototype Arthur (and it's unsure seeing the dialogue concerning Mordred). The funny thing is that Mordred, while being threatened by Artoria Archer, is completely neglected in every other version of Artoria (Saber, Saber alter, both Rider Alter, Lancer and Lancer Alter), not having a single dialogue with the main Artoria. It might be an unpopular opinion, but I think Artoria Saber is a missed opportunity to make a bad king regret how bad it was. We have a bit of it, but all Artoria regrets is Camelot's downfall, not even her reign. I do remember her putting her reign into question at some point, and it really should be explored more instead of only making her regret how it ended. I also think the Artoria x Shirou relationship completely ruins Artoria entirely. It ruins the scene in Fate/Zero where Artoria discuss with Iskandar and Gilgamesh, it makes Artoria look pathetic to me, it clearly weakens her, and Shirou with his protagonist treatment and weakness only make it much worse. Shirou is to me one of the worst character in the Fate franchise in terms of writing, development and relationships. It really feels like the self-insert of a horny 15 years old boy. If I were to give a ranking for Artoria Saber and Shirou, and their relationship, I will give Artoria a C, Shirou an E and their relationship a F. But that's mostly my own opinion, I know the vaste majority love Shirou x Artoria despite how bad I think it is

[@CrazyYurie]

Others would argue the opposite: that Fate/Zero did Artoria dirty.

[@aphdisket3154]

​@@CrazyYurie That's because she was shown she was wrong in what she wishes and because she had a bad Master. Artoria only started to care when she fought against Lancelot, and that's all. She never has any remorse on how other felt when she was king, that's completely forgotten in Stay Night. And she shouldn't have lost against Lancelot tbh, that's the dumbest victory Artoria ever had in the whole franchise

[@seraph_dalgon_9216]

Great video as always, though a B is a bit too harsh. I agree with all your points and was very pleased to see our king done justice in your video. Still, personally, I doubt the changes (minus the gender flip) are significant enough to drop that by a whole letter grade cuz even those changes still remain somewhat rooted in the nature of Arthurian legend and the time they were made. Tho, admittedly this may be my Artoria bias speaking since these are grades for accuracy, and as such those changes have to be considered and reflected in the final grade and it's not like B is a bad grade by any stretch.

[@CrazyYurie]

B was actually a last-minute change. Originally it was going to be a B+, but I felt like I was being too nice. x_x

[@seraph_dalgon_9216]

@@CrazyYurie Well, at least it's not a B-

[@brunosanto3488]

Obviously, we all know that Lancer Artoria made a pact with Mephistopheles which allowed her to become Lalter and, therefore, belongs to F Hell. Now seriously, although Camelot was a turning point in the writing of FGO, you would think that it would be better to use Lalter since she appeared some time later in the Lostbelts, right? Nah. It seems that there is favoritism among Servants since Lalter had almost no relevant participation (despite being a Servant who appeared in Part 1 and many Servants from Part 1 received a more relevant role or corrected their personality) This is not a Boudica case where she simply has had no relevant participation in the main story. Lalter appeared from time to time in the main story post-Part 1, but they did nothing with her (nor did they develop her as a character) F for Emo Altria on horseback.

[@federicofilippini6780]

Time to fire rhongo bongo at your house, also again I know I sound like a broken record but minor correction about zero artoria, zero is a what if of the 4th holy grail war as such urobuchi made her how she is in zero but that was out of character from urobuchi’s own admission, in which he made her naive and overly chivalrous which is not how artoria is both before the 4th holy grail war and after, she was more kiritsugu but less extreme in terms of doing acts to get stuff done and also the original reason of why artoria is so conflicted about kiritsugu in stay night before zero was ever written was because kiritsugu only talked to her 3 times in the whole war, they might have had a better relationship cause they were preaty similar in the methods to acchive her goals but never went to the extreme kiritsugu did.

[@Cozmotown]

20:02 hey, this sounds familiar intently Remember the Disney version Ok to be fair personality, wise the fate version of Arthur and the smite version has a lot more confidence and then Disney version

[@CrazyYurie]

To be honest, I've not seen the Disney version.

[@Alam_Gutz]

I think Saber's affinity for lions come from how lions have always been related to strength and nobility for literally thousands of years, you just have to take a look into judeo-christian religions where Israel and even Jesus himself are called lions metaphorically

[@Mikael_Ore]

The wild hunt is mentioned in the El Melloi II Case Files series, animated and published on Crunchyroll, and ongoing manga written. It's a detective kind of series, expect a lot of information and worldbuilding in it. Oh yeah, I subscribed, hope to see more of these videos. You did an amazing job.

[@CrazyYurie]

Thanks!

[@Misguidedantics]

Bedivere would be an interesting vid to see

[@Fronswath]

Pretty sure I'm not talking garbage here but interesting note it's only ever said that Excalibur was used to defeat Sefar not that Arthur/Artoria was summoned to wield it which is always an interesting note to me I believe it's also canon that part of why Arthur has the seals on his Excalibur compared to Artoria is Arthur is actually able to draw more power out of the sword Again both of those I believe there is evidence for but I would need to do another lore dive to confirm because it has been a while and fandom head canon does sometimes slip in as supposed true canon I want to know so much more about Guinevere in fate but I don't think we will because I think they want to leave it open to interpretation. For example I want to think she did care about Artoria but there really is no evidence of that and if anything if that was true they likely would have talked and the affair wouldn't have caused as many problems I like what they have taken the idea of Saber Alter and done with it outside of stay night where she is more of a puppet in that form Was very fair to seperates the sabers and lancers Also I wouldn't worry about the Lion King being mad they are generally pretty chill lol

[@Fronswath]

Oh also as always amazing video

[@CrazyYurie]

While I do mention Excalibur being used to defeat Sefar, we still don't know who the wielder was. :o

[@dbcks5790]

the Seal of Thirteen exists on Excalibur and Rhongomyniad for Artoria as well. Based on the little information that was in Garden of Avalon I think it would be fair to say Guinevere cared for Artoria quite a bit

[@Fronswath]

@@CrazyYurie oh wasn't trying to say you did or didn't that is always the most fascinating tidbit to me so I like sharing it

[@Fronswath]

@@dbcks5790 ok that makes more sense they just play it up more with Arthur I think someone made a joke about it at one point like "the universe saw how powerful Arthur was and then said no more of that you are a girl now and can't use the sword quite as well anymore" and I couldn't find anything that explained Artoria not having the seals in the same way but I also don't claim to know everybit if typemoon lore at any time plus sometimes we get new or clarified info in interviews or JP material that hasn't been translated yet

[@96ace96]

I'm pretty sure it was Avalon keeping Arturia young actually, not Excalibur. Before she got Avalon Caliburn did the same thing. So Excalibur doesn't have that power.

[@dixieenormis1783]

Can you do Nightingale? I think she would be an interesting pick

[@nicholase82]

Do you think Artoria has a chance of becoming a serious Archer servant? What would be her NP.

[@CrazyYurie]

I don't think so. King Arthur has a huge armory of goodies, but I don't recall a bow being notable among them.

[@ethanwebster3764]

@@CrazyYurieLegit assassin King Arthur is more probable

[@blakerenimu9033]

Rhongo might be an invention of the franchise, but whoever came out with it COOKED! That thing is rad 👀

[@MaxHDAvenger]

I always kept forgetting Lancer Artoria Alter is Lawful Good despite the evil dark armor colors.

[@anoan9698]

Now when do we get a lostbelt with the OG artoria in it? Also great video as always.

[@CrazyYurie]

Aren't there no more lostbelts? :o

[@dreamimgflowerd976]

And now that we have Summer Ecchan we got 17 version of Artoria. Also Artoria's whole "women cannot rule" plot was basically from Nasu's lack of European history knowledge. In Asia women cannot rule, because gender is more important than blood. In Europe it was bloodline. They prefer a legitimate daughter over a bastard son. The reason why they decided to make Artoria a woman had more to do with marketing. Original idea of FSN had male Arthur and a female master, which we now know as Fate Prototype. But Nasu thought switchig their genders would make it more appealing for the audience. Of course we still have Proto Arthur in FGO which I am glad. Artoria's dragon heritage is pretty lore deep and not just Fate lore. I suggest checking out Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of the King's of Britain. there is a story about a red and a white dragon where the red dragon sybolises the coming of King Arthur, while the white dragon symbolised the Saxons, an enemy, Arthur often fought against. Many past King's of Britain were personified as dragons too. And in some of Monmouth's manyscripts Arthur was associated with a golden dragon. the image of the red dragon we've seen in Fate and FGO is most likely a reference to Ddraig the red dragon of Wales which also often is depicted as a representation of Britain. Btw Nasu mentioned that Artoria basically qualifies for every class except for Caster. Your video was a fun watch, I totally agree on your take of Lartoria and Lalter.

[@Trollius]

hm percy huh, this is going to be interesting

[@CrazyYurie]

I've not quite started yet, but expect some Galahad-bashing. XD

[@melancholicwriter56]

for your comment on "Artoria isn't part dragon in original myth" Sure, though keep in mind that there's an insane amount of association between Arthur and dragons. Keeping the obvious of Pendragon aside, Arthur dreams of himself being an outright dragon in geoffrey and alliterative morte d'arthur. It's compounded further by the Faerie Queene where he also has a dragon helmet that even breathes fire to boot.

[@ShadeFGO]

Good video!

[@sfhkxdd]

Nice video ❤

[@سلمانقتل]

Good video👍

[@Cozmotown]

I like to think Rongo is this strong in fate is the battle at Camelot rongo went to the god gym and what we see are the results. Also sorry for the fact I posted 3 comments i just wanted comment that came to mind but anyway great video hope you continue the good work 😀👍.

[@CrazyYurie]

Thanks!

[@johnmorrison519]

Yo I do have 1 minor question in why doesn't avalon appear when saber is summoned as a saber like shirou gave avalon to her back in the fate route, also If you don't mind can't avalon just like be an oryou and ryouma situation like arthur/artoria can use avalon in the form of ayaka/shirou.

[@CrazyYurie]

Because King Arthur had Excalibur's scabbard stolen from him in both Fate and the myth. But it was found and used to summon Artoria in both Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night.

[@Nop3-if7wr]

Prototype Arthur’s universe was entirely gender swapped. Do you think Gwen was gender swapped there as well? And Arthur had a femboy twink as a wife/husband?

[@CrazyYurie]

That could have been interesting! o_o

[@neptuneplaneptune3367]

Honestly I dont mind the changes to Rongomyniad cause....it would be kinda lame if Lancer Artoria would be wielding...JUST a boring old Lance, they kinda had to beef it up...and I think they acually overdid it a bit as now the Lance honestly strikes me as so much more powerfull then Excalibur. Maybe they should have said the Lance is ONLY this powerfull in the hands of the Lion King and normal Lander Artoria is incapable of doing that as she is still mortal and thus unable to draw on the Devine Powers of the lance in full.

[@JohnShepherd117]

I’m pretty sure that was the idea Nasu intended but other writers more or less forgot that lartoria and the Lion King are two different characters but the lance at its full power is still canonically weaker than full power Excalibur which we have yet to see outside of Sefar

[@neptuneplaneptune3367]

@@JohnShepherd117 Wich is ironic considering the Lion King herself basicley says "If you summon Lancer Artoria that is NOT me" but apperently everyone likes to ignore that partore forgets about it

[@naufalzackyfedoraihan9686]

Can you made a video for proto Arthur? It may be interesting because his lore is kinda much different than Artoria, such as fighting Lucius Tiberius during attack on Rome.

[@CrazyYurie]

This is the Arthur video.

[@Bluestorm25834]

Can you do next Muramasa pls!

[@CrazyYurie]

I do wish to do Muramasa, but I mention who the next video is on at the very end of each video. :o

[@MrSupersmash93]

And Shirou’s waifu

[@ABStudios07]

So Karna and Arjuna when?😮

[@CrazyYurie]

At some point. Indian Mythology kinda intimidates me. :o

[@Nate-ms4be]

35:42 HEE HEE HEE HAW

[@animejacob6751]

Hi

[@KitsuManko]

You talk as if all versions of artoria are separate entities when there's literally just 8 of them not including the male one. The only different versions of artoria existing are as follows... Artoria Pendragon Saber Lily Saber Alter Lancer Artoria Lancer Artoria Alter MHX/XX MHX Alter Caster Artoria The other versions you are talking about were just some of them in a different costume or swimsuit.

[@CrazyYurie]

Mmm.

[@Erox006]

does he call her "gender fluid" like he did in another video ?

[@saxor96]

Nope... And Artoria was never addressed as that? She's just a Mulan situation, she doesn't even address her gender or self identity at all until stay night, and she's just completely fine with it.

[@CrazyYurie]

I did say that about d'Eon as being one possibility for the real person, but the bigger one being that d'Eon was transgender.

[@stevenchoza6391]

My problem with the genderbend is they DON’T do enough to justify it. Why didn’t Morgan expose her true gender to the Church while Saber was in Rome, which would’ve led to her being burnt at the stake? Why didn’t Merlin decide to have her have a son who would be king or use his magic to ensure they were a male at birth? These are just a few issues I can think of that prove why the gender and was stupid and only happened because of cynical money grubbing.

[@CrazyYurie]

Mmm... except they did this gender-swap before TM had truly made it. In other words? It's a risk.

[@stevenchoza6391]

@@CrazyYurie Doesn’t change that it was done and can’t be undone.

[@Alexzander1989]

Proto-Arthur is the only version of this character I will acknowledge and bend the knee to. I prefer his character and personality more than most versions of Artoria. Honestly, she’s easily the least interesting servant in any grail war she takes part in and she bores me to no end. Will say FGO has done a good job with Salter, and her and Jalter are a fun comedy duo Also yeah… too many versions of the character, even outside of FGO. Like well over 30 versions… 😵‍💫 Looking forward to Castoria’s video, she’s a good girl that I felt a lotta sympathy for during LB6.

[@seraph_dalgon_9216]

There’s bad opinions and then there’s this.

[@Alexzander1989]

Find a better writer for both Artoria and her masters, and then come back and talk to me

[@JohnShepherd117]

@@Alexzander1989 Arthur who has barely any characterization than Saber? The same Saber who has an entire novel dedicated to her life and is one of the og servants from the VN is worse than Arthur whose character is borderline generic anime protagonist?

[@Alexzander1989]

​@epherd117 "one of the og servants from the VN is worse than Arthur whose character is borderline generic anime protagonist?" Yes, because I genuinely do not care about Artoria in the context of either of the Fuyuki Wars she takes part in and I don't care for either of her masters either. I don't find anything about her that draws me in or catches my interest, nor do I find the stoic glutton cute or endearing. And frankly I don't buy the "romance" between her and Shirou. As far as OG servants from the VN go, give me Cu, Medea, Medusa, Gil, or Archer any day of the week over Artoria. Arthur has a better relationship with his master, isn't a stoic block of wood most of the time, actually beat Proto Gil without Avalon's plot armor, and is currently hunting the Beast of 666 in other media. I know Prototype is still ongoing, but I'm far more interested in what's going on with Arthur than I ever was with Artoria.

[@JohnShepherd117]

@@Alexzander1989 alright reading this I thought you were being serious but now I’m pretty sure you are a troll trying to start a fight and I’m not going to indulge you