How Accurate is Gentleman Jack?? Spoiler: The Real Story is Juicier

[@DavidMacDowellBlue]

Anne Lister did pay back all the money her wife lent her, and named one of the coal pits after Ann Walker (it still has that name). And the two really did 'fit' together in a lot of ways. AW wanted to be (to use modern terms) a very femme wife, with a very masculine/butch husband, which AL was totally okay with.

[@butterflyhope333]

Thankfully Lister made arrangements in her will so Walker went to a nice mental hospital that was ahead of it's time and probably would have been a life saver for Walker. Lister knew that Walker had major mental health problems in part due to so many of her family dieing so close together. I believe the hospital was recommended by the doctor Walker saw who was also Marianas' brother. I'm glad that even in the case of Lister dieing before Walker she still wanted her wife to be safe and healthy.

[@laurelsilberman5705]

From what she experienced, and from what everyone wrote about her basic disposition, there are such circumstances where an institution, a good one, can be the proper place for a seriously ailing individual. I can’t begin to comprehend the amount of loss Ann Walker had experienced in such a tender, sheltered young life. The poor thing. I feel so sad for her.😢

[@thefloweroflife3977]

Many women were rich and privileged. Anne was not lucky to be a rich 'bitch'. She made a choice to follow her heart, to love women. Many other women simply did not. Anne was courageous.

[@bonniehealey4058]

The mountains Anne Lister climbed were both in the Pyrenees which are between France and Spain. and there is the Lister Pass named after her.

[@missylee3022]

Anne Walker scholars do believe Anne L loved her. What she wrote in her journal is kinda the equivalent of what women bitch to their best friends about their partners.

[@laurelsilberman5705]

The thing about Anne Lister marrying Ann, and whether or not she loved her as much as she may have loved some of her former, more intellectually equal paramours for example (which isn’t even a fair comparison to make, AW was significantly younger and far more traumatized by life than AL was), is that like according to the standards of the time and Anne’s own religious views, finding a true marriage companion for whom you have any sense of true emotional fondness, which is not to be doubted, that she cared for AW enough that whilst they were together, at least, AW’s mental health saw a vast improvement, and they loved each other enough to risk something by moving in together and writing each other into one another’s wills and all that, that’s a good enough of an arrangement as one can really hope for in a wealthy, landed partner. She was younger and very different match for sure, but it was a smart one financially, which was equally as important to AL, if not more so than finding a wife whom she truly loved. They probably had a very hard time relating to one another since their life experiences were so different, but an opposing personality type can also attract and even bring out traits in oneself that they may not recognize as positive at the time, but we never got to see AL looking back with hindsight on this match because she died so young. What a tragedy for all involved. 😢another great video!

[@life_with_laurie]

Ann didn't really go insane the fam just had her pronounced as for the the money reasons. Also I'm pretty sure the tale about her locking herself in her room etc. was not what actually happened. Also, she was only at the asylum for a short amount of time.

[@sitori663]

I just watched an interview with historians who are "experts" on Lister & Walker and they said the story about AW going crazy, locking herself in her room and smearing blood on tbe walls was NOT true. So happy to hear that!

[@jamalyncampbell6074]

@@sitori663 Yes, there are many theories about how Ann Walker coped without the love of her life. Remember, the Lister diaries had obviously stopped, so unless someone else wrote about Ann, or more writings by Ann are found, then we probably will never know the facts for sure.

[@emilyb5278]

I thought they did it to take her money or assets

[@emilyb5278]

As I thought Annie had left her the Shiite estate. And they put her in hospital to take it off her

[@emilyb5278]

Shibden*

[@JessGrtz]

Anne Lister actually wasn't faithful to Ann Walker after their wedding. She hooked up with Mariana once whe she visited Lawton Hall. Look up Christmas 1834!

[@melissayona3171]

Its so good the fact that i watched part 1 last night and aldready can watch part 2, perfect timing Ash

[@AshMorgan]

ahh yay that's perfect timing for YOU! I'm posting a vid reacting to some of Anne's juiciest diary entries next week hehe I can't stop, she's just so juicy!

[@cassiegilroy8102]

Same here 🥰

[@AshMorgan]

@@cassiegilroy8102 ahh yay perfect timing fam!!

[@melissayona3171]

@@AshMorgan already noted in the agenda, won't miss it

[@riteshb9079]

Same🥺I watched both on the same day♥️

[@unnamed3932]

Anne Lister did love Ann and looked after her and always encouraged her independence. Ann Walker had a crush on Anne Lister from an early age. Ann deserves credit for having the courage to commit to Anne Lister and to marry her and to move into Shibden. Apparently Ann's family infantilized Ann whereas Lister tried to build her self-confidence and show her a wider world. And apparently Anne Lister borrowed most of her money from other sources for her projects and did not just use money from Ann Walker. And Anne Lister was not 'trans' and would be appalled at the thought of that. She believed God and nature made her as she was (she was quite religious) and she accepted herself as a same-sex attracted woman. In addition, she was a woman of science and would never have mutilated herself w/ hormones and sugeries to become a fake man. According to her journal, she did not even believe in using a dild* as she considered it artifice and wanted nothing b/w herself and her lover when being intimate. Anne Lister was what we would consider a 'butch' lesbian today; t here is more than one way to be a woman.

[@vishishsh]

I've been trying to look for info about Anne lister ever since I watched gentleman jack and I'm so happy that you made a video about her!!!

[@AshMorgan]

YAY i’m so happy you appreciate this and realize that there is literally nooooo youtube videos on her - it was so much work to research😅 but so fun!!

[@asilver2889]

Well there's dozens now. Check out the ALBW Anne Lister Birthday Week series of talks from various researchers and authors, also Packed with Potential videos. These will lead to others. Search for Helena Whitbread talk at Holdsworth Hall to get first-hand summary of diary story. Helena reckons there were fewer than 8 in total women AL had sex with. Some, like Vera Hobart, and a couple of others were never fully intimate although Anne was into them. Not THAT many in her 25 years adult life up to Ann Walker.

[@bozzhalliday5896]

All the other women were before Ann Walker. She did love Ann Walker cos she had committed to her.

[@charleslord2433]

Thanks for all of the insight! I'm looking forward to season two and how they cover the life of Ann and Anne. And I second Frida!

[@maggietracy4013]

The tour guides at Shibden Hall do state when walking round that Ann Walker did in fact smear blood on the walls of the room when they found her in the room after she had locked herself away.

[@kimlinden2280]

Mrs. Priestley was not Walker's aunt. Mr. Priestley was Ann Walker's cousin.

[@immysapplesauce2291]

Ughhhh I’ve loved this. THANK YOU!! 😍😍

[@AshMorgan]

yay that makes me so happy!!! thank YOU🥰

[@crimson5k440]

Part 3 please! 🤪

[@apoorvsingh4459]

Loved all of mac's epic reactions ❤😂 , and also Ann's story ended in a typical lesbian styled sad ending 😪

[@AshMorgan]

i lnow, her reactions are PRICELESS😂 haha omg i know anne was such a typical lesbian!!

[@apoorvsingh4459]

Eagerly waiting for next one!!😁

[@unnamed3932]

Ann was not in the asylum very long and ended up going back to her estate to live.

[@angelaeastwood8745]

Hi, I loved your video. I am very interested in reading more about AL . I have read the 2 books written by Helena Whtbread,, but found them a bit tame! Can you suggest anything else I can read? ,please.xx

[@kaylamoran3528]

Loved this video! Some suggestions of people either known or believed to have been queer that I'm interested in are: Achilles, Alexander the Great (yes really), Gladys Bentley, Stormy DeLarverie, William Shakespeare, Malcolm X, Leonardo da Vinci, Sally Ride, Oscar Wilde, Frieda Khalo, Eleanor Roosevelt and Emily Dickinson. Lol so many 😆

[@AshMorgan]

ahh thanks for all the suggestions, putting them in my notes to research for future videos🥰😝

[@TeeSpicerReacts]

@@AshMorgan And there you go. Two women of colour. Gladys Bentley and Frieda Khalo. Also, here are a few more names, Ramona “Wildfire” Lewis, Alice Dunbar Nelson & Angelina Grimke Weld (They wrote love letters to each other, but most importantly they were feminists who wrote extensively about the plight of Black American women). A bit more down in modern times, Zora Neale Hurston, Billie Holiday, Josephine Baker, Moms Mabley and the as forementioned Gladys Bentley ~!

[@leyachanel1194]

Pauli Murray was a queer woman of color born in 1910 that had extremely difficult challenges with her multiple marginalized identities.

[@phillipstroll7385]

That's not why the aunt was upset. It wasn't because she didn't want lesbians in her household. It was because she knew Anne didn't care about Ann. She only wanted the money. That's why. She wanted to protect her niece.

[@pearlanchor3520]

I feel like Anne was really in love with A.Walker while she was courting her, but since they started to live together things got more difficult. As they would in any kind of marriage. Therefore Gentleman Jack series didn't get it completely wrong... And thats why Im not really looking forward to season 2. Would be great if you could make a vid about the ladies of Llangollen!

[@emotwetter]

Is that Marionberry incline cider?? Ps loved the video

[@AshMorgan]

ahh yes it is, good eye🥰 yay i’m so happy you liked it!!

[@marosenq]

The tea was boiling!!!

[@AshMorgan]

PEOPLE AREN’T EVEN READY FOR THIS SCALDING OF TEA

[@ceekay1676]

well, you cannot blame Anne for being a gold digger during her time. She gotta do, what she gotta do

[@Cloud-ql3oy]

Both of them were rich

[@kiamichiozarks7056]

Rich, protected and rather privileged collage age lovers, exploring this new world of sex without losing the virginity that was worth so much in their society at that time. In England if you are landed, wealthy and had an education you could pretty much do whatever you wanted to do because every one of them enjoyed their own type of improprieties... which they also desired to keep private.

[@florglez2457]

you should do a video dedicated to the bi icon Frida Kahlo

[@AshMorgan]

wtf i was JUST thinking about this!!

[@rachelhimes7715]

So she was rich sure, but she was still an absolute bad ass. She was freaking brilliant and her diaries code wasn’t cracked until the 1900s. She knew people would destroy her writings if she didn’t write it in code. How much brilliance and foresight she had to preserve her experience for woman in the future. She still was brave to do what she did. I was so mad not not have learned about her until I was in my 20s. Here most famous quote is absolutely the epitome of lesbian longing : “I love, & only love, the fairer sex & thus beloved by them in turn, my heart revolts from any other love than theirs. There is one thing that I wish for. There is one thing without which my happiness in this world seems impossible. I was not born to live alone.” We lesbians have ALWAYS existed.

[@prachiagnihotri1863]

Wow Ann made 2 women mentally insane 😮😵...also I've never heard of gentleman jack , is it a good series to watch ??? Loved the video 😊❤️

[@AshMorgan]

Yes it's sooo good, it's on HBO! And ugh yes she must have been quite the desirable lady lolol :P

[@maggietracy4013]

It will open your eyes. If you can get the books written by Helena Whitbread I Know My Own Heart and No Priest But Love ate eye openers to Anne Lister.

[@jamalyncampbell6074]

Please don't take anyone's word for this!

[@kimlinden2280]

No, she didn't make other women insane. Ann Walker had some mental struggles before they got together. At the time, part of that was attributed to the loss of her parents and brother when she was still young. In that time period, little was understood about depression and anxiety. As far as Eliza Raines mental health issues, Raines was likely Lister's first love as a teenager; they broke up and Lister moved on. If you broke up with a boyfriend or girlfriend who struggled with the breakup and later had mental issues, would you be to blame? Is a person responsible for the mental health of someone they break up with?

[@ceekay1676]

thanks for this video.

[@celesbian69]

Please do one on ma rainey and bessie smith the 20s queer women of colour blues singers!

[@AshMorgan]

ahhh thanks for the suggestion!! i'll try to get to that one soon:)

[@celesbian69]

Looking forward to it ☺️ LOVE your videos - so juicy and informative/affirming at the same time!

[@renatareynoldsxianxian]

Damn Anne a player 👏

[@katiehotham1474]

I really like youre voice 😊❤

[@AshMorgan]

ahh thank you, i’m so glad!! i guess it would be hard to sit through 27 min if my voice bugged😅

[@ritchelltalentscout8578]

Both Beautiful ladies :) Love watching you two

[@AshMorgan]

awww thank you so much!!! thanks for watching!

[@ritchelltalentscout8578]

@@AshMorgan You're welcome 🥰

[@jamalyncampbell6074]

Dear viewers -I was hoping, for your sake, for some authenticity in this "real story", but there are some glaring errors. I know this because I have read almost all the books written on Anne Lister and Ann Walker, some twice and watched documentaries. Viewers, don't just automatically accept that this video is all true. Even the researchers and experts have different interpretations. Right here in the comments, there are given 2 opposite opinions from "experts" on whether or not Ann Walker smeared blood on her walls; one says NO, and the other says YES. Be wary. That one or the other of these narrators of this video don't know the meanings of some of the sexual slang should be red flag enough.

[@garimapanday]

But in 1st part you said she died when she was 59 btw i'm also indian and there's still a lot discrimination against us... Btw loved your video please make more like this... You're one of the most genuine people on KZbin... Already subscribed waiting for more lesbian juicy history...❤️

[@AshMorgan]

oops yeah i misspoke when i was tipsy and i put a text correction on the screen! she was 49 when she died😬 oh my goodness THANK YOU i’m so happy you like my videos!! i have sooooo much more coming soon!! and i’m so sorry you still get so much discrimination🥺

[@tiffanyrichards3254]

She died at 49

[@riteshb9079]

I love all ur history things both on insta and here♥️...thank you rich white aunties for teaching queer history

[@majaber1]

Oh dear...

[@everydaysuperhero8794]

Emily Dickinson

[@ehiehi7858]

My advice it's that before doing a video talking and explaining the real history of GJ, you should have read and consult the real history based on documents and diaries that are available on the West Yorkshire web. Because you are so wrong, especially with what you say at the end of Ann Walker. It's clear that you readed the wikipedia so well jajajajajajaja

[@andriaoverlover9483]

both beautiful 🥰

[@AshMorgan]

aww thank you so much🥰🥰

[@kimsiebert3328]

Sweetheart, what is so distracting is the eating thing..... with your mouth open.... civility is about considering others... chew chew away, certainly, but closing your mouth is considerate of us.... just a thought.