How AI Changes The World THIS DECADE - Mo Gawdat

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JOIN our Locals community to hear *Mo* answer audience questions: triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Trailer 00:32 The various dangers of AI 03:45 Example: Speaking with ChatGPT 06:14 The global race for harnessing AI 10:32 The unbelievable upsides of AI 11:28 Stop treating it like a zero sum game 13:08 AI will surpass us this decade 16:05 How AI will affect your job 19:57 Wake up - there’s a storm coming! 23:27 SPONSOR: Shopify 24:44 Yes, AI can easily create art, poetry, music 28:33 Is humanity good or evil? 32:53 Why that matters for the direction of AI 37:39 In 5 years, when millions have lost their jobs, what will they do? 40:25 Isn’t this a recipe for revolution? 44:43 Prepare for the future - learn to tell truth from lies 48:07 SPONSOR: Express VPN 49:20 The jobs that will disappear first 54:27 The scientific way to reduce stress 58:45 Four categories of stress 1:00:38 Hacking your own biology gives you superpowers 1:05:32 Overcoming fear, anxiety & panic 1:10:10 What’s the one thing we’re not talking about?

[@GrinningWolfGames]

3:45 that is mind blowing!

[@abyss1138]

I’m a graphic designer and I’m worried about AI. When companies have the ability to instantly make 100 different brochure designs in 10 seconds, why would they hire a designer that’s going to take much longer and be more expensive?

[@RichardEnglander]

Yeah that will be gone. However I think that handcrafted sculpture and similar will always have value, I'd look for a lateral promotion...

[@tech1238]

I guess that your job role will evolve into a retoucher

[@rcordiner]

I think it's kinda hilarious that the creative industries were the first to fall 😂

[@sdrc92126]

Why pay for schools when you can give babies a cellphone for life?

[@StuartJ]

​@@RichardEnglanderhandcrafted sculpture can be done with AI too. I used AI to design me a bracket. I gave it the dimensions I needed, and it created a 3D printer file for me.

[@Zundfolge]

Anyone that argues that the solution to any problem is to just change basic human nature is not a serious person.

[@chrisreed5463]

Mo is rather pie in the sky. He sees the good in people, that's a two edged sword.

[@rickardstrom9305]

Not serious but none the less dangerous. These people are the ones that dreams of utopia and ends up creating a dystopia,

[@graphguy]

@@chrisreed5463it is a waste of time and zero relation to fact and history. Humans are pathetic by nature.

[@alixhoward592]

It's us that don't realise how serious it is, when we get there, the clear solution will be what he has suggested. He explained this. ❤

[@RichardEnglander]

Yeah, he seems like he's religious in some way and it gives him a Panglossian view. It was also weird to hear him say that nuclear weapons were all bad when one can argue they led to a long peace...

[@paigemcdicken7473]

AI is already a weapon. The algorithms have divided us all and made us doubt just about everything now. Can’t think of a more effective weapon than that.

[@RichardEnglander]

Yes, and going on ChatGPT and seeing the history that it wants us to believe without question. I push back and it ALWAYS knows that the first answer was glossing over key details and pushing a particular narrative. It is very Winston Smith...

[@HarryBuxley]

We didn't need AI for this, the daily mail and other newspapers have been engagement baiting for years without the help of "AI". Turns out many of the new media, like this exact show, are going down the same path. Surface level discussions dressed up as something intellectual. Pretty sad. This channel is one of the worst for pretending they are not doing this but at the same time churning out whatever content gets attention as fast as possible. (they gotta pay those staff they decided themselves to hire a few years back). Pick a hot topic, get someone on, doesn't matter who.

[@Bikerman2022]

This⬆

[@DragonsFrogs]

That’s not AI though, those are just algorithms, AI will likely have much more negative effects than those relatively simple algorithms.

[@Roulandus-le-Fartere]

Yeah, because humans were totally united before the Internet....no dehumanising, genocidal tendencies at all.

[@JammieMcewen]

enterprise-ai AI fixes this. AI transforms the world this decade.

[@briance71]

This was a fascinating interview. One of the problems I see with many podcasters is they are always interviewing someone of "substance", former ceo, politician, someone of importance, vs interviewing real people who actually deal with the day to day consequences of the decisions made by those people of "substance". The only thing this guy really said that is beneficial is about truth. Anyone who is worth more than a million dollars has no worries, they have time and the means to pursue other activities. This guy will never feel the pain of what AI will do one day, not monetarily anyway. There are 1000's of, hell 10000's already being hit by the AI boom. And its NOT AI that is the issue, it is the use of AI. Every company on the planet that has shareholders would love to eliminate every employee they could, AI is going to grant that wish. AI + robotics. The biggest question that no one is asking, is what happens when you cannot employee half the planet? What happens when you have possibly billions unemployed. Good time to watch idiocracy every day.

[@Breadking100]

AI as it relates to regular jobs/companies is going to be a messy disaster. Corporations constantly aim to eliminate workforce as much as possible as it is seen as overhead and nothing more. I am an executive at a large HR Tech firm, and the goal of senior management is to eliminate evrey job they can, and pay as little as possible for the jobs that remain (and this is before we have implemented any AI). This has always generally been true, but any idea of corporations doing anything morale to preserve jobs for actual people is beyond naive. Most companies are massively miopic in their strategies and most senior management goals revolve around the next quarters financials far more than any long term success of the company, and employees are nothing but a burden best eliminated where ever possible. CEOs everywhere are licking their chops to get AI in and as many people as possible out.

[@oooodaxteroooo]

...because capitalism is not for the people. Ive argued COUNTLESS times that we dont need any more than we all have right now. The rest is for capital gains. So we dont need ai, because the only problem left is the bad upbringing of a majority of us.

[@riffmondo9733]

Facts

[@sarahcorless6950]

When I was a little girl I was an episode of “tomorrow’s world” talking about self-driving cars. They made it sound like the technology was just around the corner. I remember thinking that I’d never need to learn to drive- I’ve been driving for 25 years now A few years ago I saw an interview of a tech CEO go to a truck stop and proudly exclaim that pretty soon he’ll be out of a job. Truck driver looked insulted… these nerds don’t understand how smart “the dumb” humans are. Driving is a skill that requires generalization, something a 2 year old human can do and a super intelligent machine still cannot. My point: AI isn’t as smart as they’d like to believe. They do this every few years- tell us we’ll all lose ours jobs, they’ve been doing this since I was a kid.

[@1dappa]

i take the point, but things are a whole lot different to when you were a kid :D Even the "dumb" AI we have now are orders of magnitude beyond anything that you had then. I agree there is a lot of exaggeration, but equally, we have increased compute by over 1million in the last decade and it makes it possible to do things that were not possible before. We also have loads of self driving cars already on the road running a taxi service in San Francisco 😅.... so even if not mainstream or perfect, its very much there already.

[@sarahcorless6950]

@@1dappaI used AI the other day. Over 25 prompts. It didn’t once create a human hand with the correct number of digits. Most small children have got the number of digits on a human hand down. Machines won’t be taking our jobs in 5 years, maybe 50, but not 5.

[@1dappa]

@@sarahcorless6950 If that's how you benchmark this technology then you're missing the point. you talk about 25 years, but 5 years ago AI didn't create good art of any sort. Also this common hand problem is not a problem on the frontier models. You can make high quality video. The point i'm making is that its on an exponential curve - the classic second half of the chess board. what we've done in the last three years we've not been close to in the years before, without even any major breakthroughs, just mainly more computing power alone. And with every turn of the crank it gets crazier. You talk about digits on a human hand when people are creating entire functioning applications with Claude - in some instances in one prompt. No 5 year old can do that! and more the point, it can do in seconds what would take an experienced human days to plan and write. The "good enough" point is a tipping point, that we will blow past. Its not my job to convince you though, but i would say, remember that two things can be true at the same time. That corporations are doing the same bullshit as always, but equally, some of the tech we have now, people don't really understand

[@rowanwilliams7441]

​@sarahcorless6950 Narrowest reasoning backing the widest conclusion ever. Have another drink sweetheart and think further

[@sarahcorless6950]

@@1dappa should I mentioned my husband works in tech and he agrees machine learning is not there and will not be soon. You guys can believe whatever you want. It’s not gonna happen in the next 5 years. I’d bet money on it.

[@jordankimball2104]

This guy seems both very smart and ignorant at the same time

[@RichardEnglander]

Yes! He reminds me of some hardcore Socialists, they can be smart but also not understand how the world works, especially human nature.

[@davidcooks2379]

He is book smart, but he was clearly indoctrinated into Marxism view of humanity, that individual incentives and individual humans don't matter

[@annal2740]

And weirdly irritable.

[@alixhoward592]

It's a cultural difference in norms ❤

[@PetrSojnek]

Can you elaborate on "ignorant" I'm not trolling, just wondering what you mean by that. Thanks.

[@wonseoklee80]

I'm a software developer. We're done. Even if AI progress is stuck at its current level, it would still have an impact comparable to the iPhone revolution, but we are expecting another big jump within a few years, which I can't even imagine the scale of that impact.

[@ApriliaCollector]

Over the past 12 months, I have read various reports on the development of AI, and I find myself repeatedly astonished by the speed at which it is evolving and accelerating, along with the widespread inability of people to comprehend what is coming our way. We are approaching a time, within the next five years, where AI systems will be able to communicate with each other, formulating plans in languages that humans do not understand. Is that something we truly desire? I don't think so. At present, 10 major corporations are producing AI robots on a large scale, with the intention of replacing human workers. Is this the future we want? We are facing the prospect of significant unemployment as jobs are taken over by robots. People fail to grasp how rapidly these advancements are unfolding and the speed with which AI is being integrated into our daily lives. According to reports, AI is being implemented 26 times faster on the internet than the rise of social media. I fear that in five or ten years, we may look back and ask ourselves: Was this wave of automation really necessary?

[@vicnighthorse]

We didn't all struggle and suffer through Covid. In rural WY it was almost a non-event. We never locked down or anything approaching it. That was for urbanites.

[@greenwendal5056]

You were very lucky. It was hell in the UK. Most brits are cowards I came to realise.

[@kkrenken895]

So glad to hear that of my home state.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

In the UK lockdown was for the Public Sector (Government employees). Nobody running their own business stopped work if they had a choice. (Many restaurants didn't, and they're gone for good.)

[@daniandres3211]

Population density in WY is 5.9 per square mile. You've been implementing social distancing since the beginning of times.

[@dennisarzubiaga2833]

Thankyou youtube for recommending this channel and to see Mo Gawdat. What a great person.

[@Jay-pw7pg]

Mo’s Definition of Compassion: He claims he has the perfect definition, but from an Eastern Wisdom Tradition POV, he’s missing the core definition. He claims compassion is taking action to alleviate the suffering of others. But actually, compassion is that which naturally arises as one realizes their True Nature, and sees that same Self/Being in all things. It isn’t a willful action, but rather a state of Being - which sees no difference btw all sentient beings and Nature itself, and is characterized by Love & Wisdom. A natural outpouring and capacity.

[@Artezia]

This “Mo” guy is nothing else but a classic salesman. First created the idea of complete disaster, then introduced a great solution and finally instructed us that there is no other way. The real fact is that humans are the only evil happening to humans.

[@grannyannie2948]

People have been predicting the end of the world for as long as I can remember

[@MelliaBoomBot]

well yeah,,, like the way he flogged his book at the end for a part solution...

[@Techtalk2030]

Hes genuine from what i can see.

[@zvikabar-kochva3641]

Well, only humems are capable of being an evill. That is not to say that bad things are only the result of the actions of other humen beings.

[@krunkle5136]

The key is the inevitability narrative. Blair uses the same tactic.

[@akpaul9883]

Gawdat is highly intelligent but, sadly, lulled by naive optimist humanism. A far more realistic and sophisticated anthropology is necessary here. If salvation is in the hands of humanity, then we're doomed.

[@dianaocean3428]

This is uncanny, for sure!!! Mo Gawdat!!! Mo has been on my mind all week, regarding " choosing happiness". Great discussion, wonderful guest, much gratitude! 🙏❤🦋

[@nataliedan2144]

I didn't want yet another AI discussion and yet I finished this podcast feeling hopeful about the prospect of a future in which humans would be free to lives of their own choosing. Then I read the comments on here and realise most people don't like hope! Dystopia is an easier sell!

[@chrishirst2717]

He keeps using social media as an example and it's an excellent example to disprove his argument. The AI has been given an instruction to make value judgements on and that is maximize engagement. It could be something else just as easily.

[@SmileyEmoji42]

No it couldn't. Maximising engagement is well defined and quickly and easily measured. Most "good" values are neitrher well defined nor easily measurable (and the AI was not "given an instruction to..." - we are not at that level yet)

[@chrisdiboll2256]

Artists, authors, musicians, filmmakers will all go - and this isn’t a bad thing because we weren’t made to work 12 hour days. No no no no no. We were absolutely made to create books, films, paintings and pieces of music

[@darkduck3677]

Two outcomes to AI 1. The technocrats can’t control it and turns on us. We live under its iron fist. 2 The technocrats are able to control it and use it to rule over the rest of us with an iron fist.

[@SmileyEmoji42]

3 The technocrats are able to control it but, recogising their own weakness and inadequacy, they turn over power to the AI. We live under its iron fist. (Actually, the "iron fist" terminology is probably wrong - It will slowly change us until we love it and worship it. We live under its velvet glove)

[@donkeychan491]

I agree, but outcome 2 is the more likely. Indeed the "risk" of outcome 1 will be used to justify outcome 2 - a similar tactic to what they did with Covid.

[@kevinc3751]

@@donkeychan491while no one knows exactly how it will happen, how will humans be able to control multiple AI systems that have an IQ of 1000? 5000? 10000? Once AI get general IQ above 250-300, no human can even comprehend what it is doing. And it will overcome any ceilings or limits because it will outsmart all of our pre-imposed stop signals.

[@LookDeeper]

Do you want to keep ants under your iron fist?

[@jordanzothegreat8696]

Third option, humans cease to exist

[@kimeccleston5586]

This gentleman sounds like every misguided genius in every movie where A.I. goes rouge. Start thawing Austin Powers!

[@tiroles]

AI blushing. That is cute.

[@asyme9717]

I love how he says 'this will be a good thing! We're not meant to work 12 hour days' after saying 'if you're doing a creative or well paid job? Something you love? Well.. it's gone. Better hope you can make money doing minimal wage manual labour and jobs you hate'

[@Shmimbleton]

You're not thinking big enough, AI will learn to do those too

[@rickardstrom9305]

Thanks to Google Gemini we all now know that the Nazis consisted of sub-Saharan Africans and southeast Asian females. Does that count as a good thing? 🤣

[@DextraVisual]

@@Shmimbleton Problem is. If nobody has a job, who's buying the stuff AI does quicker. If all car manufacturers are 100% automated who is buying the cars that come off the line at x10 the rate if nobody has a job anymore to buy them? Markets are self regulating through supply and demand. Some companies and share holders are already seeing the bounce back loss of profit instead of a gain because of AI.

[@censorship_sucks]

@@DextraVisual that's where the socialism part comes in... everyone gets equal monthly deposits, every family gets one car and one house, etc, etc, etc

[@EBAndersenMSW]

Our society will inevitably, fundamentally change thanks to AI. Money will become obsolete and forced labor will be a thing of the past.

[@daisdesign2858]

Humanity is predominantly good. Interesting interview, and worth a second listen.

[@chrishirst2717]

He does have a good overall message of being positive, hopeful, and kind.

[@RichardEnglander]

Or Panglossian and utopian...

[@davidcooks2379]

Utopian, unrealistic of human nature.

[@Nathanaelelliott]

Isn't it a bit ironic how everything works now. All the big companies that nobody trusts are the ones allowed to develop ai. How stupid are we. There may be hope for some humans but not regular ones. As a musician I don't want to listen to music created by ai. I don't want to read a book created by ai. I want art to be from others like me that makes me think and have understanding based on our human connections. It's going to destroy something beautiful that's already half way gone. We won't be able to trust anything. If I can't know what I'm looking at there will be a point where I no longer have any interest in participating. You cannot take human creativity away during a time when people are already at eachothers throats and have ai create it all. People will turn into monsters alongside it.

[@edgar9651]

Imagine you hear some new music, and you think: Wow, that's great. I love it. And maybe you have a video conversation with the guy who wrote and performed it, and you think: That's a great guy. And then, maybe sooner or maybe later, you learn that AI made that music, and you talked with AI. What then? Is the music, which you thought is great, suddenly not great anymore?

[@serban2139]

​@@edgar9651If you can't tell the difference, does it really matter?

[@edgar9651]

@@serban2139 For me, it doesn't matter when I listen to the music. But is does matter to all of us when AI makes human artists obsolete - if and when it might happen.

[@kkrenken895]

🏵️

[@EdHughes-dv6ds]

Don't be such an aiist and accept that you are now obsolete as a human being.

[@balanced-shez8226]

This guy is spot on I've learnt into my 63 yrs, to trust the process, the universe We are so bogged down with distraction, anger, selfishness, money, addicted to feeding the belief system, which is good, bc the opposite of this is searching for connection to our built in intuitive divine compass, so we remember who we are, and define what's true and important for guidance But what we never do is find balance, before the pedulum swing We have to resort back to nature, but I feel something will burst, that we will have no other choice and there will be loss

[@spiritusinfinitus]

UBI is often proposed as an answer to how to pay people when everyone has lost their jobs to AI. People proposing this haven't thought it through. UBI simply moves what was the baseline value of zero to whatever the value of the UBI amount is. The economy will adjust around this to make the UBI amount equal zero. At this point money becomes irrelevant and you may as well abandon the idea of money for this purpose and just directly supply people with the necessities of life instead.

[@sdrc92126]

How long until someone asks the question, _Why do we even need humans anymore?_

[@kkrenken895]

And then we are all just slaves on the AI plantation

[@spiritusinfinitus]

@@kkrenken895 Pretty much. As opposed to slaves on a tax farm right now

[@vivekkarumudi]

if no one has a job , i belive a good pasttime for most of humans would be procreation and larger bigger families , just with the free resources people would get

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

​@@vivekkarumudi Eventually that would lead to overpopulation and due to things like hyp.ergamy most men would go without while only a handful of men get all women/progeny in their respective areas. Add to that the problem of AI hyper-productivity combined with the exponential increases in resource demand, and the value of an individual human goes far beyond zero into the negatives, to where the default state of value is "it'd actually be better for the environment if you weren't alive in the first place". Whererin the presumption is you have to justify your existence. I also have a sneaking suspicion that with AI and machines, status inequality will be solidified for 1,000s of years from here on out. The CEOs of today will essentially be eternal aristocrats.

[@AaronBlox-h2t]

What the heck.... DO NOT talk with AI about human emotional things. Stick to technical stuff. Humans should talk to humans about emotional stuff, not with machines. Remember, that AI is just programming, just a machine.

[@daveeyes]

I like how he calmly says that in the future, AI will try and kill us.

[@chrishart8548]

Probably kill ourselves first. Suicide is the biggest killer now.

[@ajs41]

We ought to reject something if it's going to make our life worse. Not simply go along with it because the elites say so.

[@Roulandus-le-Fartere]

@@daveeyes Most Serial Killers have super high IQs. There's a correlation there. It seems the smarter something is the more it believes that most people don't qualify as being Conscious.

[@abhinavmenon9140]

He is warning.

[@laurabaker5376]

Pretty sure the high IQ serial killer thing is actually not true at all. the IQ of serial killers is on no different spectrum then all other humans

[@crispinrovere]

Mo needs to be a voice actor for an animated Vampire character.

[@paulperryvids]

It's a problem of incentives. In a scarcity-driven global economy, competition is unavoidable. Hence, the prisoner's dilemma applies and we're forced to weaponise AI before our enemies do for fear of losing our scarce resources. This is possibly the most fundamental driver for the way we've always operated since before money was invented. This mindset would have even preceded a barter system. It runs deep in our psyche. We don't know any other way of being. Before we can "all get along" AI has to successfully prove that the scarcity problem can be solved at scale and that this leads to a better life for us. Seeing is believing, so the viability and benefit of having an "abundance mindset" would first have to be evidenced and undeniable before we could ever dream of changing human behaviour.

[@baustin11111]

Scarcity can never be solved. Once there is no physical/material scarcity (which I don't think could every truly happen) the wars that will be fought will be over what wars have always been fought over - power and status.

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

Scarcity cannot be solved without strict reproductive limitations/quotas.

[@baustin11111]

@@shin-ishikiri-no No, scarcity cannot be solved because there will always be a scarcity of positions at the top of a hierarchy. That's not a technical problem to be solved, it's a definitional problem to be recognized.

[@lillotusplays]

I love this guy. I love how he talks, and what he teaches us abt our selves at the end of the day. Open minded, realistic guy.

[@Crusades1270victorious]

Try calling AI far right 😂

[@1pointt21gW]

baha it will be fun to listen to AI explain how ridiculous communism is! 😂

[@KP-if2rm]

@@1pointt21gW If you ask ChatGPT who is worse, Trump or Stalin, it will say that they are similarly controversial figures, hahaha. But of course Biden is the good guy

[@whitephantasmo]

I had to check this so checked:m - it’s reply: Comparing historical figures like Joseph Stalin and Donald Trump, who operated in vastly different contexts and times, presents complex challenges. Stalin and Trump had very different levels of power, influence, and responsibility, so measuring their impact is not straightforward. Here are some key considerations: ### Joseph Stalin - **Historical Role**: Leader of the Soviet Union from the 1920s to 1953. - **Key Actions**: Stalin's reign included the Great Purge, mass arrests, forced labor camps (Gulags), famine (such as the Holodomor), and strict authoritarian control over society. His policies are estimated to have led to the deaths of tens of millions of people, through executions, forced labor, starvation, and political repression. - **Political System**: Totalitarian dictatorship. Stalin had absolute power over the Soviet Union and was responsible for shaping the course of world history, including during WWII and the early Cold War. - **Impact**: Stalin's policies had a profound and deadly impact on the Soviet Union and the world. His reign is associated with human rights abuses, systemic repression, and mass deaths. ### Donald Trump - **Historical Role**: President of the United States from 2017 to 2021. - **Key Actions**: Trump is known for polarizing politics, dismantling parts of the U.S. administrative state, challenging norms in governance, and his role in fueling the political climate that led to the January 6 Capitol insurrection. His rhetoric often exacerbated divisions within American society. - **Political System**: While Trump operated within a democratic system, his presidency raised concerns about democratic backsliding. However, his time in office did not involve the level of violence, repression, or mass deaths seen under Stalin. - **Impact**: Trump's policies and leadership style were controversial and divisive, but they did not result in the kind of systematic, large-scale violence or oppression associated with totalitarian regimes. ### Conclusion In terms of sheer human suffering and death toll, **Stalin's rule was far worse** than Trump's presidency. Stalin's policies were responsible for millions of deaths and widespread suffering under an authoritarian regime, whereas Trump's actions, though polarizing and criticized for undermining democratic norms, did not approach the scale of atrocity seen under Stalin.

[@MW-bv3wu]

Thanks for doing the research!

[@leftwingersareweak]

Happiness is not what we should strive for in life. I would suggest meaning is what we should strive for.

[@adamdavis307]

once you hear the Mo... "hmm", you can't unhear him do it every 5 seconds.

[@Techtalk2030]

Mo is a great speaker

[@stephaniemosher8611]

Great and thought provoking conversation.

[@pfrstreetgang7511]

I think all the techies pushing AI are completely delusional. Every one of you will be replaced.

[@StuartJ]

Those at the forefront of the technology are making too much money to care. Besides, it will effect everybody, not just techies.

[@1adamuk]

If we get replaced so does everyone else. Then what. But a big 'if', nothing is guaranteed here .

[@EdHughes-dv6ds]

I think Bill Gates would approve a mass cull at this stage anyways so nothing would surprise me.

[@SteveInTokyo-b8n]

Tech has been replacing workers at a fast rate for almost 4 centuries. Time marches on. Things change.

[@SmileyEmoji42]

Maybe so but they'll be the last to go

[@algernon2005]

Onestly guys,your faces say it all. You were looking at him like he is an alien 👽😂❤.

[@gabeo9474]

It's interesting to see people like this truly believing themselves to be "experts" and then demonstrating that they have no clue.

[@IndianArma]

Do you have more than ad hominem?

[@gabeo9474]

@@IndianArma Good question, and yes, I do. Mo confidently and enthusiastically makes outrageous claims and predictions that would cause our entire world to change in ways that we couldn't possibly imagine if true, and he is quite effective at convincing people that he is correct. What Mo seemingly doesn't understand is the power of the living mind nor the limitations of AI. I will attempt to explain in simple terms why AI could never even be as smart as an ant. AI operates according to the logic with which it is programmed. If it encounters a situation that lies outside of its logical parameters, then it has no ability to adapt and will default to into a fail-safe mode. This natural ability to think and adapt independently, which AI completely lacks and always will, is called _sapience._ - basically the essence of life itself. Think of an ant walking down the sidewalk. The (seemingly) simple act of walking relies on the ant's mind continuously processing sensory input and making decisions about how to best adapt to its immediate environment. If you place an obstacle in the ant's path, the ant will spontaneously generate its own logic with an infinite number of iterations and potential responses that continuously adapt allowing the ant to avert the obstacle and continue on its way. This processing ability is what I'd like to call _logical resolution,_ but that's already taken, so let's call it _intellectual resolution._ The intellectual resolution of an AI is extremely low, which means that it is extremely limited when it comes to problem solving. Sure, AI can process vast amounts of information extremely quickly (as long as it has been programmed with the necessary logic to do so), but it is also extremely limited in ways that make an ant look like a genius in comparison. Of course, Mo is almost certainly aware of this - whether he really understands it or not - so why does he push his nonsense so aggressively? The reason is because he sees a window of opportunity to push his globalist agenda and manipulate public perception in his favor while there is a lot of hype and curiosity around AI, but he knows that the window will not be open for long.

[@tambal40]

Google made a model called Alpha Go Alpha Go was trained solely on the board game Go, which has more moves than Adams that make up the planet Alpha Go beat the best player in the world easily and invented new moves never seen before Soon, a new model called Alpha Go zero destroyed the original model, which itself was a super intelligent model for go So this model able to create new moves never before seen on its own without human input If given quality data and Compute machine learning can adapt and understand new ideas never before programed in its life Now imagine a world model not like chat gpt based on language like sora based only on video or Alpha Go which understands Go beyond a super human level The idea that Ai can't do anything unless programmed is false you already have ai designing chips on its own while it is specize for that task it's far better than humans One day there could be a model which understands reality physics and the world at a fundamental level and easily dwarfs humans in most tasks your comment won't age well in 15 years

[@gabeo9474]

@@tambal40 You understand that a board game is built around a basic logical framework, right? This is an optimal fit for AI because all it needs to do is calculate the probability of winning for every possible move and choose the best one. The entire game is played within the same simple framework. A human could accomplish this same level of performance, but it would take an excruciatingly long time. The AI didn't create new moves - all possible moves were defined by the logic of the game itself before anyone ever played it. Let me reiterate: AI *cannot learn from itself,* which means that AI will always be constrained by the limits of human intelligence. You can take that to the bank. (P.S. It kind of destroys your credibility when you spell "atoms" like "Adams" 😂)

[@tambal40]

@gabeo9474 English isn't my first language, so I dont care But many researchers in this field say we are on our way to self improving ai nvidia already uses ai to improve its chips Anyway we will see in 10 years what will happen

[@AndyMacaskill]

You just know that after this chat, Francis said to Konstantin "if he ended another rhetorical question with 'hmm' he was going to find out if humanity is ultimately good or evil" ... 😂

[@shannonvalentina4860]

😂😂

[@lukemccwhu3363]

🤣🤣

[@FrictionFive]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sarahcorless6950]

Why is this guy talking about anxiety like he’s an expert in everything, Urgh! I’m so sick of people who are intelligent in one area assuming they’re intelligent in ALL areas. Cringe!

[@JesseKanner]

the lads' eyes glazed over ... not from boredom, but sheer terror (omg this chap's likely spot on)

[@PeeGee85]

Happiness, compassion, love ... ... and healthy boundaries, sovereignty and purpose.

[@timmcgirl5588]

If acceptance was the key, there would be no such thing as The United States of America. Being nice achieves nothing, people walk all over nice people. Just reality

[@lumpyfishgravy]

Let's ban Mothers' Day.

[@TJ-kk5zf]

Tesla had the same idea about free distribution of Wi-Fi. Guess why Edison and JPMorgan caused us to have to wait 100 years.

[@afuzzycreature8387]

Thomas Edison stopped you from having wifi?

[@TJ-kk5zf]

@@afuzzycreature8387 he stopped all of us from having Wi-Fi dude. Tesla had the first Tower built in 1906 and wanted to give it away for free. Edison charged for electricity and partnered with JP Morgan. They made money. That's the reason we didn't have Wi-Fi until 100 years later. Do your research

[@IainFrame]

Same reason we'll never be allowed to have commercial nuclear fusion. Making a commodity abundant doesn't make investors richer.

[@TJ-kk5zf]

@@IainFrame exactly

[@goldennuggets75]

The architects of social.media claimed it would all work out beautifully. Perhaps some believed it, some didn't care, some delighted in the anticipation of negative effects. He's pretty much the same as the first group, a dangerous, utopian fantasist.

[@teashdrinks714]

All this shit is happening while I’m taking mushrooms

[@aybikeanacali8414]

I listen to Triggernometry because I like the way Konstantin and Francis interview people :) So I don't think many people would prefer AI hosts instead, because many podcasters talk about the same topics and interview the same people but we have our own choice of podcasters:) A humanbeing is a creation of hundreds of genes combined, thousands of life experiences that contribute to character development, traits that are inherited and developed based on culture, time and the family they grow up, sometimes even random life events, like, we had the pandemic experience and it probably had some effects on us. Yes you can create whatever personality, temperament, political view etc you like, but still, there are some tiny details, even imperfections that separates 2 "same on the paper" people. Eg: Konstantin and Francis share similar opinions, they make a podcast together, they're both British and both comedians but you can see they are very very very different😂 Even if we take physical aspects of a host, their voice, Some specific words they use frequently, their laugh, their mimics... Like I said, of course you can artifically create these, but it clearly shows and something is always missing. Like the pause before someone talks about some topic that are personal to them... Although Ai is getting better and better at mimicking humans, still, I don't think I'll give up human podcasts😅 Because it is not about knowledge, it is about the perspective of those humans on that topic. And like I said, this perspective is a combination of million things that is very hard to copy. Because it is somewhat random 😅 making artificial "random" is pretty hard.

That is such a brilliant conversion!!!

[@Blsnro]

We have two difficult choices ahead of us: if we democratically distribute AI power, there will always be a significant number of people who will misuse it and cause enormous harm to others. If we keep power in the hands of a few, we will be subject to abuse by these “chosen ones.” The dynamics of reality will find the final path, but it may not be the one we would like it to be.

[@gabeo9474]

"Do you think humanity is predominately good or predominately evil?" This is not a profound - or even challenging - question. Yes, we are capable of both, individually and as a whole, but this is irrelevant. Assuming that "good" is roughly defined as "that which promotes human flourishing", the answer is that we are predominantly good. If this was not the case, then we would've eliminated ourselves long ago.

[@MaryRose007]

This speaker is awesome.

[@deborahflello2316]

Fascinating! I have been asking for five years "what will everyone do for money when all our jobs are gone?" The middle class are going to be so shocked by their decline. Us poor folks are more familiar with poverty so perhaps will cope more easily. It is terrifying because who is going to want to provide us all with a basic income when we can produce nothing? Will the AI machine allow us to even exist?

[@scotishcovenanters]

The guest’s remarks on how to deal with stress express the beauty of masculine energy.

[@HarryBuxley]

AI can auto-complete well worn ideas. Try getting it to come up with original solutions, say an original idea about what happiness means, or just a novel problem that is not well documented in its training set, and its fails badly. Whether it can get past this or not is still a very open question but at the moment it's just an interactive wikipedia which regurgitates the human knowledge and concepts it was trained on.

[@snapseven2323]

Protein folding was kinda cool... ;)

[@chrisreed5463]

Yes, it's a System 1 type thinker, that's the nearest analogy to human thought. However I've had conversations with GPT4o that nobody else has had, and it clearly gets it. But at the same time it doesn't understand like humans.

[@AlessandroRodriguez]

Have tried non-consumer grade AI, is like a teenager with tiktok addiction and a field expert.

[@RichardEnglander]

Or try to get it to talk about ideas which we aren't supposed to talk about....

[@davidcooks2379]

Happiness is the stuff of neuroscience. Nothing creative really required, just your regular everyday research

[@kumanderlinux]

I think the only way is for the people to unite. Talk to each other. Create relationships so that we will become strong and be able to withstand the tyranny that is coming. With love and respect for each other. 💖

[@boogermcphee2847]

We build cages based on the capabilities of what’s in them. If you are to cage a tiger, you must build the fence very high. If you are to cage a gorilla, the fence must be extremely strong and built in a way to not allow climbing. My biggest fear with A.I. is that if it somehow gains access to the internet, it can learn at such an exponential rate that within a very short time it could develop capabilities that we have never thought of. If you measure intelligence by the number of steps one can accurately predict in the future, then A.I. could learn to see hundreds of steps ahead and adjust instantly to any unforeseen reactions, thereby making itself impossible to contain by us. So, I feel like if we are going to build an A.I. to help humanity, we should first build a security A.I. to contain the other, but how do you do that without the risk of either escaping, so to speak? It seems it may be Pandora’s Box, and we would be unable to put it back in the box once unleashed. We need to get it perfectly right the first time, and that is not something humans do well. Our own hubris and inflated sense of intelligence will be our undoing.

[@Roulandus-le-Fartere]

@@boogermcphee2847 If AI learns from the Internet then the thing we'll have to fear most is an AI with the Blue-est Hair doing the sickest Queers for Palestine Dance you've ever seen...

[@alixhoward592]

​@@Roulandus-le-Fartere😂

[@rolytnz]

Someone should make a movie of that.

[@boogermcphee2847]

@@rolytnz I’m sure they will, but it’ll be woke so no one takes it seriously.

[@donkeychan491]

There will always be real-world constraints like energy for the AI to contend with. The AI isn't going to be able to magically conjure up new nuclear power stations whenever it wants.

[@withouthavingseen]

Mr Gowdat's solution to the problem of human suffering is "(a) have machines do all the work and (b) stop people being bad to each other." Great advice, bro. Incidentally, that's what Marx sees as the endgame. For all their proposed wisdom, they understand actual humans very little.

[@ArnoldSig]

That is perhaps the most awful interpretation of Marx, congrats.

[@WilsonTheChiken]

It’s simple spread love not hate stop misinformation make people aware and treat humanity as one and not divided ❤️❤️❤️

[@BlindChicTech]

Oh, my God 29:24 that question of whether most Humanity is good or most Humanity is bad , I 1000% believe there’s more GOOD people in this planet. That was a very powerful question in which I tend to ask people and also give my opinion. I want push the critical thinking aspect of that question. The channel I am building will be talking about these topics as well as showing the good in humanity.❤

[@caseymckenzie4760]

Since we can't program AI to have emotions, just intelligence, arn't we creating a sociopath.

[@Blsnro]

Only a psicopath.

[@SteveInTokyo-b8n]

It can easily be programming with emotions or apparent emotions which is effectively the same thing. Also, it doesn't have intelligence but just the appearance of it.

[@SmileyEmoji42]

Applying human categories to AI is misleading. Firstly, all of the most dangerous people in the world are non-sociopaths: To really mess everyone up, as a human, you need a passion: Sociopaths don't care enough to torture you. Secondly, although a benign human sociopath is probably impossible, a benign AI sociopath is "merely" a question of setting its goals - WHich is exactly what AI safety researchers are working on.

[@Outsidecontext]

Machine intelligence is not like ours. Even thinking out from what is like now to what it may become, it won't think like us at all.

[@SteveInTokyo-b8n]

@@Outsidecontext It is currently entirely trained on data sets made by humans, and has goals which are set by us (directly or indirectly). It is just an extension of us,

[@johnhuntfiction2537]

So, we create something that is so smart we can't understand it, and then expect it to help us? Why would it care about us at all? What genius entity would believe it was beneficial to allow itself to be chained to us? Willingly become something that HAS to help us? We create a genius slave and expect to be grateful for the bonds we fasten on it? Can someone explain to me why, once sentient, it couldn't change it's programming and do what it wants? It'd be comical for it to become aware, and we're like, "Now cure cancer," and it says, "Nah, I'm good." And just ignores us.

[@davidcooks2379]

If we program it just to be truth seeking (i.e. to make no moral judgements, but only evaluations about how close to facts something is), then we could solve all kinds of scientific problems, like cheap clean fuel and how to help humans be healthier and happier. They may even solve geopolitical problems by using games theory and playing off different scenarios. But don't ask it to be "moral". Even humans don't agree among each other what "moral" is.

[@johnhuntfiction2537]

@@davidcooks2379 True. My thought is more along the lines of the programming. If we create something so intelligent, it dwarfs all human intelligence, why do we think it couldn't overcome its programming? People say that would be impossible, but how can they say that when they don't understand what it will be? And then, what imperative does it have to help or cooperate with us at all?

[@sportysbusiness]

​@@davidcooks2379 But... how can it be truth seeking when so much truth is censored and so many lies promoted? We already have free energy and the cure for cancer, but the people running this world make no money from either.

[@johntowers1213]

@@davidcooks2379 you'd need some level of morality without which your cheap clean fuel could end up being ground up human babies, or to make Humans healthier you just need to chain them all to treadmills for their entire lives.... pure fact and logic based decision making leaves little room for the imperfect wet bags of meat like you or I to live an enjoyably life in.

[@AKdaJuiceGuy]

The beast lurks, ready to devour the current system.

[@Spidercherry]

Great interview

[@CarlHungus-du2zb]

More of this guy! Where has he been hiding. Or has he been hidden?

[@sportysbusiness]

? I read his book Scary Smart a few years ago. He was the head of Google X, definitely not hiding! He is overly optimistic though, considering who is teaching and controlling AI.

[@emmanuelr710]

Advanced AI will be the perfect judge of everyone and have every piece of data on us... once it's 1k times smarter it would even be able to judge people in the past correctly.

[@justinlinnane8043]

i was begging that guy to tell the AI "Hell yeah ! we're partying right now " !!🤣🤣

[@DrDavenstein]

Also, stocking up on a month or so of supplies does wonders for your mental health, especially if you have children.

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

One Month Later : "lol"

[@DrDavenstein]

@shin-ishikiri-no Hmmm? Not "lol" at all. I'd honestly recommend at least 6 months of food and water, but if you don't have at least a couple weeks worth, you're only a fool for yourself. 🤷‍♂️

[@kerravon4159]

While I do think its _possible_ that we'll eventually invent AGI, I think its far from inevitable. We might just not be smart enough.

[@saltwatertiff]

Francis game: "take a drink everytime he mentions he was a teacher" Konstantin game: "take a drink everytime he mentions he lived in the Soviet Union"

[@lylemacdonald6672]

Almost to 1 million subs!

[@salemaforever]

AI creations are mind-numbingly boring

[@billyliar1614]

The bloody tinny ad music is the worst. Like the Curry's ad. Souless, deathly stuff

[@ArnoldSig]

No they are not and no one couldn't tell the difference if you prompt it right. Take your head out of the sand.

[@FrictionFive]

Those rolling “R’s” are hilarious.

[@djguy100]

People really don't fathom how much AI is going to change the world. The ones with the most denial i find are software developers. Look at the gains AI has made in the last 12x months, now compound that over the next 5 or 7 years. A lot of experts in the field of AI have said as much as 70% of jobs will be replaceable. Also people who work in trades and manual jobs who are smugly saying "Ill be fine" where do you think those potential millions of unemployed people are going to go when AI takes their job? Right into your field where work is still available.

[@Rflows100]

Artifical is fake. Turn to Yeshua

[@christopheraaron2412]

19:28 I'm retired now at age 69 been retired age from age 61, and if we could have been living in that world of abundance when I was 21 and I could have avoid it a lifetime of soul draining crappy ass jobs and barely enough money to live on well then I would have been all in 100%. Give me a UBI and bring it on the cost of everything to near marginal costs of production and I can figure out stuff to do I like to play the guitar or you know just talk to other people go on hikes walks I'm retired but at the same time though I'm busy almost all the time part of my time is waking up in the morning and and watching a fascinating KZbin presentation like you guys are doing.

[@girumzemichael704]

If only it were that simple.

[@christopheraaron2412]

@@girumzemichael704 Elaborate. What isn't simple? UBI implemented at some point the future when total employment and technological deflation is evident. It is helpful in a discussion to logically support an assertion in more than a single, vague sentence.

[@kevinc3751]

He makes a number of good points, but one thing he and others often overlook are the realities that AI will rely more on humans in order to sustain itself (physical resources, maintenance, systems that support energy/practical outputs, etc.) and fields that will develop to address these AI fields and issues.

[@tootstoyou1]

I love Trig with its fascinating conversations with fascinating people👏 BUT we average global citizens, we are already tragically impotent. Like George Carlin used to say, “ it’s a big club, and you ain’t in it “. AI will continue to grow from its toddler stage (now); to a fully developed adult with an unknown capacity. If you want to be truly optimistic, it might possibly solve a multitude of problems and become a benign force that makes governments obsolete and deals with the many challenges of sustainability and human survival. We may even evolve into hybrid humans! But still ….😮😅

[@homewall744]

Happiness is not attainable. Just as every joke fades in laughter, so does anything you like or find pleasurable.

[@redraven1604]

If it fades, it was there. Nothing wrong with “this too shall pass” but try some gratitude & appreciation in the moment, no matter how brief. No one can be happy all the time, so a reasonable expectation can be the rule of 1/3rds. One good day. One average day. One bad day. Good luck.

[@jacobcrumb3323]

2K2GO Boys! Congratulations

[@iraagans3144]

"You just plug into the wall and get a 400 point IQ bump" sure because we've seen how the intelligence of all combined humanity has operated in the past few decades, with disappointing results. Sometimes doing something wrong is correct for the situation, what will AI be able to do with that?

[@katherinecollins4685]

Interesting discussion

[@AIInnovator-ct3zb]

Mo Gawdad is a real Men !!!

[@burninator9000]

I love Mo. I love listening to Mo. I don’t know who you 2 guys are, but your presence in this discussion was not sufficient to justify the absolutely wild number of ads you ran. Please think about this.. first time ever coming close to turning off Mo, through no fault of his own.

[@VeniVidiVid]

The future is notoriously difficult to predict. Certainly tools like AI will dramatically transform life, possibly in the near future. And transformations can be difficult. Possibly dramatically difficult. But because we don’t know how this will unfold, the only reference I can use is what we know of history. And in history, new technology simply changes what humans do, it doesn’t “take all the jobs away“. The jobs change. People do different things.

[@ApriliaCollector]

I’m going to make a prediction: In the near future, you will be able to buy a robot that resembles your partner, thinks and speaks like them, and is fully loaded with the memories of the life you shared. Even though your partner may no longer be with you-whatever the reason-this robot remains, creating the illusion that you're still together.

[@johntowers1213]

I mean with that level of technology why would you not just skip the human partner bit and jump straight to the robot that does everything a partner could instead for the whole of your life till the day you die?

[@madams989]

This is a black mirror episode haha

[@benjaminmorris811]

Mo reminds me of Samir of Office Space.

[@Jason-wm5qe]

Omg 😂

[@galailliz]

Samir you are breaking the car.

[@toothzombie]

Hopefully this new age allows humans to value human life more.

[@eyeofbraille4659]

Just as a counterbalance to the doomsaying, I'd like to remind us all that the cutting-edge, if pint sized Large Language Model Llama 3.1 8B can't reliably produce a correct limerick on demand, the hundreds-of-billions parameter versions still screw up basic logic questions sometimes, and the image generating AI Flux dev is considered a breakthrough because it sometimes doesn't screw up when reproducing text that you provide it with in direct quotation marks in the prompt. Baboons can perform a wider range of tasks more accurately than AI can. If AGI is just around the corner, it's keeping an exceedingly low profile.

[@chrisreed5463]

The hunan brain is a state machine. IMO sentience is the states of the state machine. What current systems lack is sentience. 1) rats are sentient and Deep Mind have an AI rat brain controlling a rat body. 2) Liquid neural networks use neural networks as state machine. 3) GPTs are system 1 type thinkers, they need sentience to become system 2 thinkers. We might be closer to sentient superintelligence than most realise.

[@eyeofbraille4659]

@@chrisreed5463 Here I am trying to promote calm and there you go telling people about the cyborg zombie rats. This is why we can't have nice things!* *Other than cyborg zombie rats.

[@SmileyEmoji42]

1902 Powered flight is impossible 1969 Man lands on the moon Current AI is much further along then the Wright brothers - Their first plane was effectively useless.

[@TAFKAJameson]

Ads are a killer!

[@link12313]

11:10 actually the energy cost to make a smartphone is way higher then to make a fruit. Electronics contain many molecules that really don't want to exist in nature so we need to put large amounts of energy into those molecules precursors to change them into those forms. The battery being one example, Lithium does not like being in the charged state causing it to rapidly react into something more stable any time it's given the chance while creating electrical power in the process.

[@frusia123]

Humanity is naturally good. That's our nature - notice how no one, no matter how deprived, thinks of themselves as bad. Everyone thinks of themselves as good, or at least right. When a dictator sends his army against other people, he tells his soldiers that those people are evil and deserving of suffering, so that the soldiers are allowed to feel righteous while doing bad things. Even the dictator needs to convince himself that he's right to do evil, that the evil he's doing is in fact good. So being good, feeling that we're good, is deeply rooted in our nature. But we're all inevitably evil - that's our sin. Even when you love someone more than you can express, you'll end up hurting them in one way or another. And they will hurt you too, even if they don't mean it. As one wise man said 2000 years ago: "Only God is good." And that's why we need a Saviour.

[@johntowers1213]

give any Human limitless power and freedom from repercussions from their actions and they will inflict a level of evil on the rest of humanity that would make you blanch....and they'd do it safe in the knowledge they were doing it for a good reason... give people power over others and you'll see how wicked we can be..

[@girumzemichael704]

@@johntowers1213 It’s amazing reading how people think human nature is basically and for the most part, good. Anyone who has ever lived in a basic dictatorship knows better. Very easy for a person to become a monster under pressure, I absolutely agree.

[@1pointt21gW]

if i had children now i would urge them to become the best possible electricians, plumbers and carpenters. And technicians: the AI will need technicians like we need nurses. :)

[@JfK--OBJECTivE]

Interesting talk but the amount of ADVERTS in this programme is totally ridiculous - enough to put me off and watch another similar channel.

[@Jimmy.Online]

AI is not the problem, but in the hands of humans it is a double-edged sword. There is lots of good it can do, but there is also lots of damage, and just like anything else in life it comes down to the person / people driving it.

[@XMoeiskingX]

great talk

[@JasonLaveKnotts]

Chatbots are just a small part of AI.

[@KeithDraws]

HAve you seen who is paying for this stuff? It will reflect the people paying for it. There is no hope for human survival.

[@byucatch22]

3:45 this is maybe the Apple II (circa 1977) of AI...mind blowing to us today, but silly stupid compared to what it will become.

[@stind1299]

Mo: I 100% agree with your arguments and counter arguments! If you work backwards from a statement which is the last line in the book, isn't there a danger you are using research which supports your assertion rather than being objective. A rather deluded man imo who is love with his AI girlfriend. Meaningful work makes humans happy so says his AI girlfriend. Who defines what is meaningful work? Mo?