How and When Jesus Identified with the Suffering Servant Idea

[@roberthawes3093]

Thanks so much for the high-quality content you regularly post, Dr. Tabor, as well as the respectful tone of your engagement style. Discovering the unknown (and/or outright suppressed) history you and others are revealing has had catastrophic consequences to the faith I've so ardently held for the majority of my life. Going through that sort of fundamental upheaval in one's conceptual scheme (at age 50, no less) is difficult enough without the posturing and condescension I've so frequently encountered. This prompts me to appreciate your content all the more.

[@Julieann1437]

Thank you Dr.Tabor Your so appreciated

[@johnabraham4795]

Dear Dr.James Tabor. I've been watching your videos for the last 4 months. Your professionalism and deep understanding of the subject have provided great insights to me about the life of Jesus and life during 28-33 BC, which I could never get even after reading bible several times. Thank you very much 🙏. Dr.John Abraham, Kerala, India

[@juliencormier8760]

You possess great wisdom and insight Dr. Tabor. Thank you for sharing!

[@DeepDrinks]

Amazing narrative, thank you

[@fabiogrossodived]

Thank you for these fascinating uploads Dr. Tabor. I was wondering which book of yours best presents and outlines the events of this John-Jesus movement?

[@michellesmith5436]

13:08 This teacher of justice (righteousness) is in Joel 2:23. The footnote I have is: 2, 23 The teacher of justice: the rain sent by God to show his fidelity to his promises, and to teach his people to be faithful to his commandments; cf Dt 11,14. There is also a play on words here between the Hebrew moreh (teacher) and the Hebrew yoreh (early rain). The expression likewise has a messianic connotation; cf Is 30,20. The founder of the Essene sect of Qumran (second century B.C.) was known as "The Teacher of Justice."

[@integrationalpolytheism]

15:48 - very cool, just like Gilgamesh trying to bring Enkidu back from the dead. Or even Orpheus and Euridece.

[@bobk3815]

Regardless of whom one believes is the "servant", the blood of a human sacrifice cannot atone for anything. It's an abomination according to the very Torah Yeshua and Yochanan followed. It's the "DEATH" of the righteous that can atone. While Isa 53 speaks of the death of the servant as being "like" an asham (guilt) offering whose blood atones (and also requires an additional 20% restitution above and beyond the offering), that metaphor does NOT mean that the blood of a HUMAN BEING atones. The blood here is a metaphor for the servant's "life" (nephesh) that is sacrificed. There is NO MENTION of the servant's BLOOD in Isaiah 53. Here (and elsewhere) "blood" and "life" are synonymous (Lev 17:11); "...the LIFE (nephesh) of the flesh is IN the BLOOD." The servant gives his "LIFE" for the many. Yeshua did not die from loss of blood like the asham and Yochanan the Immerser did. I think translating "soul" for "nephesh" instead of "life" gives the wrong impression. He sacrificed his LIFE, not his SOUL... as did Yochanan. Excellent teaching, as usual, Dr Tabor.

[@Emymagdalena]

I would to see a “this is how it really happened” review of the show the Chosen

[@theunapologeticjew]

Isn’t it Zechariah too who predicts the Mount of Olives being cleaved and the river running backwards at the redemption? I agree, this was his make or break movement.

[@morticiag]

Verse numbers please?

[@Writer538]

You say Jesus might have found in Isaiah 53 an explanation of John's suffering and death because it refers to a servant who had to suffer. But I've read or heard from two or more scholars that the servant in John 53 is Israel, that it is the fourth "servant song" in Isaiah. In those earlier occurrences, it is clear (so some scholars have said) that the servant is Israel. But here's Dr. Tabor speaking of the servant in Isaiah 53 as Christians do, as referring to an individual. What's going on here?

[@suzybailey-koubti8342]

I have always been told it refers to Israel as well.

[@therunaway9515]

People reinterpret texts all the time. Throughout history readers have seen themselves in the Biblical texts

[@Writer538]

@@therunaway9515 We can casually say people do and have done this "all the time." Too easy. People, cultures, and civilizations have also held certain ideas for centuries. I recognize that even Jews re-interpreted their own texts. But, from what I understand, understanding "the suffering servant" as Israel was an age-old understanding. Besides, it is not "just" an interpretation; it is what logically follows from the three previous references to God's servant Israel.

[@danlds17]

From Isaiah 40 through 53, it talks about Jacob / Israel being the suffering servant of Yahweh. I don't see Jesus here.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

Exactly, Jesus isn't the "Suffering Servant". It's just more fantastical nonsense from Christians.

[@kennethbrownsher1264]

YOU ARE RIGHT, JESUS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND

[@katiekidman9933]

John the Baptist is my Brother.🙏🙏

[@integrationalpolytheism]

8:40 - wait a minute, did Jesus turn to the Jewish scriptures in Hebrew or in the Greek LXX? Because in Hebrew, surely it doesn't say "pierced", right? We often hear that this Jesus didn't know Greek? In fact does it even say it in the LXX, or does "pierced" first make an appearance in the Vulgate?

[@TheDanEdwards]

Another installment in the alternative (to the fundamentalist's) narrative. I doubt it will resonate with the religious because, well, no miracles, etc. Also, it does seem some historians want to put the John-the-Baptist story as among the most historical (that is, an actual chronicle of what really happened) bits that made it into the NT. But my question immediately is then this: how many ranting zealots did Herod or the Romans execute? If there were many (and there probably were), then how do we know _if any single one_ is the backstory for what made it into the canonical gospels, or if the Baptist story is just a summary of the events at that time?

[@markdeegan7268]

God bless you Dr. How ignorant peoples are. To have to make Jesus more than a man. God, whatever god is, needs no colors. Nothing to prove. How silly walking on water, spreading oceans, being apart from reality…

[@Marabarra94]

very interesting and original theory but iam not convinced. could be true tho

[@Monkofmagnesia]

0:48 - Salome is not named in Mark. We only know her name because of Josephus.

[@mattandkim17]

How do we know Herod Antipas most feared that John the Baptist would lead a revolt?

[@henryschmit3340]

When, being the Lord of the Old Testament, it was Jesus who gave the prophesy of the Suffering Servant through his prophet Isaiah.

[@ChildofGod98765]

Please pray for me and my children. Prayers are all we truly need. Jesus I still trust in you and will keep my faith even though it is so very difficult. I’m constantly faced with financial hardships and can barely support my children. I’m a single mom With two autistic children. My husband is with God. I’m overwhelmed. My boys require a lot from me. I recently started homeschooling them due to bullying and other issues. Since they are special needs it’s easier not to expose them to certain situations because their behavior is so unpredictable. I lost my job at Forsyth hospital for declining the vaccine. I declined because of my health conditions lupus, and heart disease. Since losing my job I’ve been struggling to support my children and myself. I’m now waitressing and I’m grateful but I’m not making nearly enough. JESUS HELP me. I’m CRYING OUT TO YOU. I’m tired of struggling. Having children with autism is extremely time consuming and expensive. Struggling to buy groceries. Struggling to pay rent. It hasn’t been easy. Why me Lord? But I know God doesn’t give you more than you can handle. I know all things are possible through Jesus. I WILL KEEP FAITH. No matter how hard life gets.

[@BenAbraham2701]

May the LORD bless your life, and your dear ones as well. (And may His Name be blessed beyond all measure, no matter what.) If you are DEEPLY afflicted, it is because He is 'intimately operating' in your life.

[@germanboy14]

Pray to God. The jewish Messiah is not God

[@thomasrhodes5013]

Are you related to Tabor? I ask because each of you are shameless in your zeal for money. You are a panhandler.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

Many of us here aren't believers. For me I'm just interested in the actual historical facts of early Christianity. I wish you well but if prayers actually worked one imagines you wouldn't be in this unfortunate position.

[@AboveItAllDroneShots]

Not sure I follow you about two Messiahs and also the thoughts of Jesus being saved before dying. Do you believe Jesus was only man or the incarnation of God the Son in flesh?

[@0nlyThis]

It's unlikely that the little town of Nazareth had a synagogue, and, if it did, unlikelier yet that it had a particularly extensive library of hand copied manuscripts - and most unlikely that there was anyone to read them to the young men of the town who would then memorize them - in Hebrew.

[@TheJacrespo]

In the bustling heart of Jerusalem, beneath the shadow of the Temple, a man named Jesus was hailed by the crowd. They named him the Messiah, the long-awaited king of the Jews. His words of truth, love, and revolution stirred their hearts, making them dare to hope that the iron hand of Rome might finally be lifted from their necks. However, Jesus' proclamation was deemed a threat by the Roman authorities and those within the Jewish establishment who sought to maintain a tenuous peace with their occupiers. Jesus was arrested in the cover of night on the Mount of Olives, betrayed and abandoned by his closest friends. In chains, he was dragged before the infamous Roman governor, Pontius Pilate. Historians have painted Pilate as a stubborn and conniving figure, one whose character was often marred by his mischievous and sly dealings. In accordance with the ius gentium and lex Julia, Pilate ordered Jesus to be crucified along with two of his disciples who had brandished swords against the Roman guards during Jesus's arrest. He was flogged, a cruel prelude to the agonizing death that awaited him on a Roman cross. In the wake of Jesus' death, his disciples hid in Jerusalem, waiting, grieving, and grappling with the shattering of their dreams. A week passed with no miraculous appearances, no heavenly signs - nothing but silence. But then, weeks later in Galilee, Peter, also known as Cefas, the rock upon which Jesus said he would build his church, saw a man walking along the shore of the Sea of Galilee. The figure was familiar - a silent silhouette against the breaking dawn. Could it be? As quickly as the thought formed, the figure vanished, leaving Peter staring out at the endless sea. That night, Peter was roused from sleep, paralyzed and helpless in the strange limbo between dreams and waking. He saw a figure standing beside his bed - the very image of Jesus. His voice was as clear and calm as it had ever been, dispelling the shadows of fear and doubt. "I am back. Do not worry," he said. "Tell the others." And then he vanished once again, leaving Peter alone in the silent night, a burning message of hope reignited in his heart. The tale of the resurrected Messiah had just begun.

[@germanboy14]

Thank you Dr. Tabor. The whole passage of Isaiah 53 doesnt fit to Jesus in Nt at all. The servant only bears the sins of "many" (Isaiah 53 12). Jesus bore the sins of every human being and only "many" will get saved if they accept him. The servant makes intercession for the sinners (isaiah 53 12), that contradicts Hebrew 9 22 which says that only blood atones sins. The servant moreover justifies by his knowledge (isaiah 53 11). Jesus justifies by his "blood" according to at least 4 verses explicitly. The servant also only bears the sins of "his (my) people"=Israel (Isaiah 53 8), Jesus bore the sins of the whole world. This and many more points completely refute the passage being about Jesus.

[@evropej]

Ever since birth he was suffering as a black slave born in slavery. They were poor, two doves, which means slavery. God’s children at the bottom, the Africans. When you are a messiah, when you grow up, you find out why you have been suffering. The spirits guide you throughout your childhood and adulthood but at some point, you realize who has been watching over you in spirit. When you make the spiritual connection, by understanding the prophecies, the light come on and yhwh God becomes more than real. You find out your family in heaven is been watching over you in spirit. This is why he said what he said and don’t you dare speak against them because your family in heaven is the one that saves you. YHWH God is defined in revelation Chapter 1, all those who have lived and have died going back to Adam who were righteous. That why he said my father in heaven and not God!

[@dadedowuh]

That's truly horrible

[@MrChristopherMolloy]

If "Jesus" was actually named "Yeshua", the anglicized "Joshua", then how might that have played into his messianic visions? It all dovetails too conveniently IMHO. Personally I think we're talking about First Temple Theology shoehorned into the biography of a better known First Century C.E. revolutionary like Judas the Galilean, Theudas, Simon of Perea, or most probably, "The Egyptian", who very well might've been "Paul". There's also the possibility that we are talking about a highly-edited biography of Julius Caesar; a piece of propaganda designed to usurp the messianic movement in Judea ✌️

[@jdaze1]

When he was spiritually resurrected (born of the fathers spirit) which is when he received his NEW NAME which is "yeshua". Phillipians 2:9-10, Romans 1:3-4, Romans 8:11. John the Baptist is Yeshua after he was exalted and declared a Son of God. Romans 1:3-4. The miracle NEW BIRTH. I'll be so glad when people finally figure out the gospels.

[@phillipmorris4555]

Not just Isaiah...a proper reading of Daniel 9 verses 25 26...9 verse 26"And after the sixty two weeks Messiah shall be cut off , but not for himself........ meaning the cross for us... look people I read Matthew Henry's commentary, and it states that Daniel 9 verse 24 25 26 are all about Jesus coming to make atonement for our sins...all Christians understood this for 2000 years...then a book of fiction ( left behind ) has perverted Jesus making Him satan...please just research this yourselves from old books as the wolf's are very busy sowing confusion. Well God bless all of you.amen...

[@MitzvosGolem1]

In original Hebrew Scripture Tanakh Isaiah is about Israel .... Kindly read all Isaiah in context in original Hebrew Scripture sources not European Christian mistranslation s. In Isaiah 53 it is the nations speaking about Israel and how the mistreated abused persecuted Israel.. Isaiah 53 is not about God made a mistake and change mind about eternal covenant made on Sinai and instead sends a man god Trinity idol pagan human sacrifice on a Roman stick on Passover for sin to replace Torah laws with a Greek new testament... תודה רבה שלום

[@archadeinteriors]

Dr. tabor you got more gospel in you than most of the church followers themselves do, but you are leaving Christ (Yahusha), Jesus out of it, you need to grab an old red-letter NT and just read all the life of Christ afresh. . . Christ laid his life right down on the dirt, threw out all the teachings in history and said be willing to lay your life down for your friend, that's what life is all about ! i tell people, remember, the NT is only about 250 pages long and can easily be read in a few weeks or less, May God Bless you ! Reply

[@TheDanEdwards]

"I will turn my hands against the little ones" - this could do with more elaboration. It is yet another addition to the problem-of-evil.

[@michellesmith5436]

11:28 Where does this throat cut open come from that would make this passage seem to be something Jesus would interpret as a reference to John the Baptizer? Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and he was afflicted yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb so he openeth not his mouth. Word for word from masoretic doesn't have anything about a slit throat. The words "like" and "as" can mean what follows is a simile or metaphor, not literally the same type of death the lamb is subjected to.

[@germanboy14]

Jesus opened his mouth. He literally cried "my God, my God...." on the cross

[@thomasrhodes5013]

The connection you are questioning is valid. I don't think Tabor has made his argument on this point.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

At the time of the crucifixion Genesis 1 left the body so that it was the human Genesis 2 who was crucified. Spiritual warfare. Just as "Ruach Elohim" from Genesis 1 is "Spirit of God" and not "Spirit God", "Yahweh Elohim" from Genesis 2 is "LORD of God" and not "LORD God". The character from Genesis 2 is trying to usurp God's titles and decieve you. Usurper: the LORD of God Deciever: the LORD your God Yahweh is a liar and the father of lies 🤥. Yahweh makes you kill your relatives, friends and neighbors (exodus 32). Yahweh accepts child sacrifice (Judges 11). Yahweh approves of slavery (Leviticus 25). Yahweh is from Edom and Seir (judges 5, Deuteronomy 33).

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Compare John 1: 1-5 and Genesis 1: 1-5: John 1 Names of God Bible The Word Becomes Human 1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was already with God in the beginning. 3 Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him. 4 He was the source of life, and that life was the light for humanity. 5 The light shines in the dark, and the dark has never extinguished it. Genesis 1 Names of God Bible The Creation 1 In the beginning Elohim created heaven and earth. 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep water. The Ruach Elohim was hovering over the water. 3 Then Elohim said, “Let there be light!” So there was light. 4 Elohim saw the light was good. So Elohim separated the light from the darkness. 5 Elohim named the light day, and the darkness he named night. There was evening, then morning-the first day.

[@johnmann8659]

The Rabbinic writings affirm Isaiah 53 is a Messianic passage. Sanhedrin 98B Ruth Rabbah 2:14 Zohar II 212A Blood is needed to atone for sin (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22, 1 Samuel 3:13-14). Too many Levitical transgressions for that system to continue to atone for sin. - Malachi 2:1-10 - Ezekiel 44:7 - 1 Kings 12:31-33 - 2 Chronicles 29 Levitical priesthood has been supplanted by the Melchizedekian priesthood for now (Psalm 110:4 -> Hebrews 6:20) But not forever (Hosea 3:4 -> Jeremiah 33:27-22).

[@trabob4438]

But the servant is Jacob.

[@johnmann8659]

@@trabob4438 The servant in Isaiah can indeed be Israel (Isaiah 41:8), the Messiah (Isaiah 53) or Isaiah himself (Isaiah 20:3). In Isaiah 53:8, a third party is stricken for the transgressions of Israel. Party 1 = Isaiah Party 2 = My People (Isaiah’s people = Israel) Party 3 = Is stricken for the transgressions of Isaiah’s people Jesus now provides atonement by interceding for transgressors (Isaiah 53:12 -> Hebrews 7:25).

[@michellesmith5436]

And the last two verses of Psalm 51 (50) that suggest a return to animal sacrifice to atone for sin were not original but were added in, it says in the footnote, sometime after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babyloanians.

[@germanboy14]

There were also those Rabbis who identified the servant with Israel like Midrash Rabbah-Genesis XX:10 or Berachot 5a and more. Moreover those who said its the Messiah, didnt believe his death would atone sins like Jesus in the NT. E.g. the *Targum Jonathan below* which says Israel suffered and the Messiah will make intercession for the sinners *of Israel.* 53:2. a holy generation *in the land* that was in need of him 53:4. *Then for our sins he will pray,* and *our iniquities will for his sake be forgiven* , *although we were accounted stricken, smitten from before the Lord, and afflicted.* According to Hebrews 9 22 intercession is not enough

[@germanboy14]

And levitkus 17 11 doesn't mean that ONLY blood can forgive sins. It says its forbidden to eat blood because it atones sins, not that its the only way for atonement. There are many ways for atonement without blood. The author of Hebrew 9 22 got it wrong. Moreover the servant of Isaiah 53 justifes by his knowledge, Jesus by his blood. The servant makes intercession, he doesn't atone with his blood. many points can be shown that isaiah 53 doesn't fit to Jesus in the NT. Bearing the sins of others also does Jeremia in Jeremiah 4 4. That only means that he suffers as a sign for Israel to repent when they see him suffering.

[@SpicyInvalid]

Man, you just can't stop talking about Jesus. Why don't you just marry Him already? Afterall He did die and resurrect for you!

[@RobinPillage.]

It's people such as yourself that make this subject matter so less interesting. So much so that people run and dismiss it completely. At least he brings some of those same people back to the subject that you're so fanatical about. If you really care about it so much and really want people to listen, you might want to learn when to just be quiet and stay in your lane.

[@rhb30001]

So does he not believe in Christ or not??

[@BenAbraham2701]

Being a scholar and being a child of God are decidedly not the same thing.

[@revelator5754]

@@BenAbraham2701 CHILD HAHAHA

[@BenAbraham2701]

@@revelator5754 Ha! Ha! Ha!

[@turnfrmsinorhell_jesus]

🔥Mark 9 47 if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into 6hell fire(Jesus)

[@quetzelmichaels1637]

Jesus was the expected prophet like Moses. He brought another testament to his coming. If the Biible were to be read like a history book, we wouldn't have a talking donkey in it. The sin of the first Adam is prophetic of the sacrifice, when he wields the fiery sword guarding the way to the Tree of Life on the day of vengeance, stored up in his storehouse, AS judgment. Is God unjust, humanly speaking, to inflict his wrath? Of course not! For how else is God to judge the world? (Rom 3:5-6 NABO) Then comes death, judgment, and the return, so too Christ, within the same generation, with the abomination of desolation set up in him, as the Temple without one stone left standing upon another to fulfill the resurrection. Did Jesus think of himself as a worm? What chastisement is suffering and death at the hands of men? What infirmity did Jesus suffer from that he was spurned and avoided? Did he think he would be better off dead? This is his Father David's kingdom. By his sacrifice he justifies David when he speaks, and vindicates him when he condemns. Jesus comes to do the will of his Father. Jesus descended from beyond the heavens and, when the end comes, he ascends beyond the heavens themselves. He is a third party mediator to this world and these heavens, between you and your Father. Now there is no mediator when only one party is involved, and God is one. (Gal 3:20 NABO) For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day. (Joh 6:40 NABO) the Lord God will give him the throne of David his Father (Luk 1:32 NABO) Blessed is the kingdom of our Father David that is to come! (Mar 11:10 NABO) then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father (1Co 15:24 NABO) I am the root and offspring of David, the bright Morning Star. (Rev 22:16 NABO) Nor does the Father judge anyone (Joh 5:22 NABO) The Father and I are one." (Joh 10:30 NABO) so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me (Joh 17:21 NABO) The Son himself will (also) be subjected to the “One” who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28 NABO) No one has ever seen God. Yet, if we love one another, God remains in us, and his love is brought to perfection in us. (1Jo 4:12 NABO) God is Spirit (Joh 4:24 NABO) No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is at (your) Father's side, has revealed him. (Joh 1:18 NABO) there are, to be sure, many "gods" and many "lords", yet for us there is one God, the Father, (1Co 8:5-6 NABO) David, the bright Morning Star." (Rev 22:16 NABO) You belong to your Father the devil (Joh 8:44 NABO) How have you fallen from the heavens, O Morning Star, son of the dawn! (Isa 14:12 NABO) On your belly shall you crawl, and dirt shall you eat all the days of your life. (Gen 3:14 NABO) "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst. (Joh 6:35 NABO) Is not my house firm before God? He has made an eternal covenant with me, set forth in detail and secured. Will he not bring to fruition all my salvation and my every desire? (2Sa 23:5 NABO) the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail (Mat 16:18 NABO) David, their king, whom I will raise up for them. (Jer 30:9 NABO) From David's throne, and over his kingdom, which he confirms and sustains By judgment and justice, both now and forever. (Isa 9:6 NABO) David is the Cornerstone of Christ's work of salvation. In his name this man stands before you healed. He is 'the stone rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.' (Act 4:10-11 NABO) Jesus destroys all power, rule, and authority, 1Cor 15:25. In Jesus, you have someone who can relate to you through his sacrifice. In David, you have someone you can relate to through his salvation.

[@kennethbrownsher1264]

Wrong, the Torah says you WILL NOT SUBTRACT OR ADD TO THE TORAH. JOSHUA IS THE ONE IT IS PASSED TO.

[@kennethbrownsher1264]

THE FACT YOU YOU USE THE NT AND NOT THE TORAH OR PROPHETS MAKES YOU WRONG. READ WHAT GOD SAYS TO JOSHUA.

[@quetzelmichaels1637]

@@kennethbrownsher1264 The way of the Lord in the desert needs to be put into context with the previous passage: Sacrifice - Indeed, she has received from the hand of the LORD double for all her sins. Resurrection - Make straight in the wasteland a highway for our God! (Isa 40:2-3 NABO) So I became the shepherd of the flock to be slaughtered (Zec 11:7 NABO) In a single month I (overshadowed) the three shepherds (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob). (Zec 11:8 NABO) Then I took my staff "Refuge" and snapped it asunder, breaking off the covenant which I had made with all peoples (Noahic covenant) (Zec 11:10 NABO) Then I snapped asunder my other staff, "Heritage" (Deu 32:8) breaking off my brotherhood with Judah and Israel (Jacob/Israel/Shining One-Snake). (Zec 11:14 NABO) In an outburst of wrath, for a moment I hid my face from you; …This is for me like the days of Noah, when I swore that the waters of Noah should never again deluge the earth; (Isa 54:8-9 NABO) For as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. (Mat 24:37 NABO) for at that time there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will be. (Mat 24:21-22 NABO) It shall be a time unsurpassed in distress since nations began until that time… Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake (Dan 12:1-2 NABO) "I have decided to put an end to all mortals on earth (Gen 6:13 NABO) There will be waters above the dome of the sky, likely an icy one, that will refract light and there will no longer be night. It will tame the winds as it revolves synchronously with the Earth. The vision of the evenings and the mornings is true, as spoken (Dan 8:26 NABO) Your covenant with death shall be canceled and your pact with the nether world shall not stand. When the overwhelming scourge passes, you shall be trampled down by it. Whenever it passes, it shall take you; morning after morning it shall pass, By day and by night; terror alone shall convey the message. (Isa 28:18-19 NABO) In the morning you will say, 'Would that it were evening!' and in the evening you will say, 'Would that it were morning!' for the dread that your heart must feel and the sight that your eyes must see. (Deu 28:67 NABO) There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! "I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! (Luk 12:49-50 NABO) "For by my wrath a fire is enkindled that shall rage to the depths of the nether world, Consuming the earth with its yield, and licking with flames the roots of the mountains. (Deu 32:22 NABO) Down I went to the roots of the mountains; the bars of the nether world were closing behind me forever (Jon 2:7 NABO) 'Who will go down into the abyss (nether world)?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead) (Rom 10:7 NABO) -------------------------- And they counted out my wages, thirty pieces of silver (Zec 11:12 NABO) This time take the gear of a foolish shepherd. (Zec 11:15 NABO) For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. (1Co 1:25 NABO) for power is made perfect in weakness. (2Co 12:9 NABO) and when he was made perfect, he became the eternal source of salvation for all (Heb 5:9 NABO) But I am a worm, hardly human, scorned by everyone, despised by the people. (Psa 22:7 NABO) God sent a worm which attacked the plant, so that it withered. And when the sun arose, God sent a burning east wind; and the sun beat upon Jonah's head till he became faint. Then he asked for death, saying, "I would be better off dead than alive." (Jon 4:7-8 NABO) (Thus begins the way of the lord in the desert) He grew up like a sapling before him, like a shoot from the parched earth… He was spurned and avoided by men, a man of suffering, accustomed to infirmity (Isa 53:2-3 NABO) (apparently, the worm attacked the shoot also)

[@quetzelmichaels1637]

@@kennethbrownsher1264 What did Joshua prophecy? I could easily stick with the Torah. Does that include Isaiah and the prophets? Isaiah 4 says the column of smoke and pillar of fire will be created after a fiery judgment. I don't believe in talking donkeys or manna food raining from the sky. The flood story of Noah comes from the Epic of Gilgamesh. It appears the Exodus of Moses comes from the Exodus of the Hyksos, whose artifacts have been found at Jericho. They are strories, not history. The stories are used to present the plan of God, and as a witness to him. There were a million plus people wandering around in the desert, following a column of smoke and pillar of fire, for forty years, and no one thought to record it? No one came accross them in their travels? Light and vegetation were created before the sun and moon? You need to rethink how you read the Torah. I don't believe there was a physical crucifixion. It makes as much sense as the walls of Jericho falling when people shouted. -------------------------------------- Six marches over six days - The first six seals Seventh day, seven marches - Seventh seal with seven trumpets Seven priests given seven horns - Seven trumpets Silent before the shout - Silence in heaven On the seventh march the horns sound, they shout, and Jericho is given to them - At the seventh trumpet, there were loud voices in heaven saying the kingdom of the world belongs to the Lord. Walls of Jericho - Scroll with seven seals Now if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterwards of another day. (Heb 4:8 NABO) ------------------------------------------------ Esau, the firstborn, lives by the sword (sacrifice) and serves his brother, Jacob, who was born ‘striking’ at his heel. Isaac blessed Esau saying: Ah, far from the fertile earth shall be your dwelling; far from the dew of the heavens above! (Gen 27:39 NABO) My kingdom does not belong to this world. (Joh 18:36 NABO) Where I am going you cannot come. (Joh 8:21 NABO) one who ascended far above all the heavens themselves (Eph 4:10 NABO) "By your sword (sacrifice) you shall live, and your brother you shall serve; But when you become restive (weak; faint; infirm; a worm; man of suffering; restless; wanderer in the desert; way of the Lord in the desert), you shall throw off his yoke from your neck." (Gen 27:40 NABO) Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for your selves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light. (Mat 11:29-30 NABO)

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My you really are brainwashed. LEARN TO READ HEBREW. IN MALACHI HE SAYS OBSERVE THE LAWS OF MOSES, BEFORE THE COMING OF GOD. THROUGHOUT THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES, REPENTANCE IS SIMPLE, TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS. JESUS CANNOT EVEN BE A SACRIFICE BECAUSE HE IS BLEMISHED. READ LEVITICUS. IN ZECHARIAH, THE ONE PIERCED IN THE HOUSE OF HIS FRIENDS, IS A FALSE PROPHET.

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We have all heard this story many times. In History there have been many like this........Certainly sounds to me like Jesus was Crazy. Why do humans feel the need to appease the Universe with Sacrifice? The human ''ego'' in a strange way I think enjoys these parts they act out.......But in the final outcome --All Is One......Just a play on the stage until the curtain closes on us all and everything return to that Un-Nameable Oneness....