How Ariana Grande Manipulates You: The Baby Face Effect

[@LunaDelTuna]

I can't even lie, as someone with a baby face I get treated quite well by strangers. I used to be an Uber driver, and being a woman as well, made people immediately comfortable when getting into my car. They'd always ask me, "do you ever feel unsafe?" when in reality no, I never did bc secretly I'm a serial ki- anyway I'm rambling you get my point.

[@DD_Vandal]

Well that escalated quickly.

[@christinelee6477]

I feel like it can go either way for me. Sometimes I feel like people underestimate me and disrespect me because they see me as someone who doesn't have the ability to fight back.

[@snowgirls2]

Okay dexter 😂

[@Slowdowndummy]

This will end and it will hit you like a bag of turds

[@laurynharrell8529]

✨🤣💅🤣✨

[@alliekat3580]

Tbh the donut situation should have been the end of it. Being rude to people just doing their job is the biggest red flag. She was even rude to the owner, if she were a random person she would have been called a Karen.

[@estinaviv]

I think her actions even led to the owner getting written up for a health code violation, so yea I did not fw her at all after that. Harming small businesses is so fucked up

[@holasoydora6522]

Just cause she ate cry ABT it

[@iluvbwx]

@@holasoydora6522 She licked a donut she didn’t buy and cussed at the worker because she didn’t like the donuts she was shown.

[@leena75]

@@holasoydora6522 yeah, and the owner lost a real money because of it, dont you know how influencing works? it can pump up the sales but when you have a famous person talk crap about your business, you lose customers

[@JesusIsKing48]

​@@holasoydora6522hello 10 years old, go give back the phone to ur mom

[@amalali504]

Agree on the baby face and she does lean into the "Lolita" vibe too. Sympathy for an actual baby has trumped hers. She cannot win this one.

[@catkin-z8g]

People who engage in smear campaigns care about babies?

[@no_one2197]

Yeah, I have noticed the Lolita thing and just find it repulsive. Stop caring about her music when I realized it, it's so gross. I hope she's not a weirdo and it's just "made to do it by her team" but I doubt it, she gives me weird vibes

[@Vesperad0]

I get the feeling someone here is going to take that statement and yours as saying, "oh so grown women can't enjoy Lolita fashion?? That's ageist" or something stupid, so I'd like to add something: There's nothing wrong with an adult dressing in a Lolita style. In fact, I heavily doubt any child regardless of their style would like to dress like a Victorian baby doll for fun, considering some mothers already do that. Not to mention the costs of those kinds of styles. The problem lies with taking something with a clear source for inspiration, not to mention the name's origin, and sexualizing it. She's allowed to be sexual, and she's allowed to dress Lolita, nobody can take that from anyone-but doing both at the same time is odd at the very least. Me personally I don't really associate high ponytails with anything, at most a crappy personality, but the dresses she (used to idk im not a fan) wears can very easily be seen as an imitation of clothing fof children. A lot of people like to take that obvious observation and twist it on the commenter, claiming them to be a pedo themselves, but you can't deny something like giving a child a penis shaped lollypop isn't sexualizing them. I really hate when people refuse to acknowledge how children are sexualized, and go with the "but you're seeing them that way, it's your fault you pedo" when all it is is noticing pedo bait. People aren't weird for noticing and calling out pedo bait.

[@casevase9746]

@@Vesperad0 I think they are more referring to the Lolita novel by Vladimir Nabokov which has had many film adaptations that uses images of lollypops, heart-shaped sunglasses and picnic patterned two pieces, no of which appear in the books. While you are thinking of the Lolita fashion which I believe started in Japan. The book is from the perspective of an older man, Humbert (37), who falls in love with 12 year old Dolores Haze or his pet name for her "Lotita". Now Humbert is an unreliable narrator so we never will know if Dolores does see him romantically but either way Humbert is in the wrong no matter how the child feels due to being unable to consent. Which the is point of the book, however with the film adaptations will always, by default, be in third person perspective compared to the books first person. This is why romancing this aesthetic of "Lolita" can be quite damaging as it can present Humbert in the right. Personally I don't think it should've ever been adapted into film. The book explores many ideas one I believe is called nymphology (not the supernatural creature) this term can be referred to insects that stay in the same state for example a cricket whereas a caterpillar become a butterfly, Humbert wants her to stay as a "nymphet" which is impossible. Obviously she can dress and present herself in anyway she likes but you can see how it can an issue in relation to the media this aesthetic comes from. I hope this gave you so insight into what I think they are talking about.

[@kill3008]

she's kinda winning tho still her new music is doing extremely well I thought the general public turned on her since the news of her and Ethan came out but after her new album got released, hordes of people are sympathizing her and villainizing her ex husband dylan for cheating on her

[@cathl4953]

The wife and child are the only victims here

[@thiccredgyal3404]

Exactly. I always thought something was off with Ariana

[@ZP-xyza]

The amount of 💩 I got when her “break up with your boyfriend” song came out. All her fans started telling me the song was somehow not about a boy breaking up with his gf but it was about herself ?!? What ?

[@sarahthomas8670]

I feel sk bad for them. I would be so depressed

[@lucianosalonso]

@@sarahthomas8670LMAOOOO YOU ARE JUST FUCKING EMBARRASING

[@ilean7499]

@@ZP-xyzashe spoke her truth on that song I always hated on it idk why people bought that bs explanation. Her team scrambled to find a palatable meaning behind the song but really she’s just giddy over getting people to cheat on their SO with her effectively “stealing” men from other women and feeling like she won somehow when the prize is just another garbage cheater like herself lmfao. Like attracts like I guess. These are weak, unfaithful, and thus undesirable men to anyone with a brain but she seemingly relishes in hurting other women and the fact that she would willingly date someone like that says a lot about her.

[@TheNinjapancake14]

I think people turned on her because it’s because an actual baby is involved in this

[@WillianyAmill]

Too true, people let it go that Ariana abused 7 other women and they could stay quiet on it up until they pretend that they are activists against the hate she gets when they could have been against her destroying other women rather than hat her being destroyed cause she choose that krama. Now she's attacked the future of a baby and that makes her a whole new low.

[@catkin-z8g]

The swiftologist used the word people when he was talking about how he was bored with the fake moralistic outrage. Seems there is some connection between the Swifties and this smear campaign.

[@angelicawhetu]

@@WillianyAmillcheating isn’t abuse …

[@Anne_one]

@@angelicawhetuexcept it is. It’s emotionally and psychologically damaging to the people you do it to.

[@EzraOnEarth]

​@WillianyAmill who are these women? The wife, Victoria and Jeanette mccurdy ?

[@alwaysrootingfortheantihero123]

She’s also a soprano. Her speaking voice is quite light and high pitched. Her baby face and youthful voice really makes her seem innocent and young.

[@leighsweetmelody5085]

The think is she fakes her voice too. I was a fan of her for a while and you she speaks in her "deeper" voice sometimes.. it's not drastically deep but it's definitely not as light as she makes it. It's another way for people to have sympathy for her and to continue the infantilization of herself

[@alwaysrootingfortheantihero123]

@@leighsweetmelody5085 yes, she fakes it a little but because she’s a soprano image can still do her crazy singing without vocal damage from faking her baby voice

[@hieronymusvonlipschitz]

She has the morality of a Soprano

[@isolate6509]

@@leighsweetmelody5085 Eh, I can sing pretty highly and I switch between a higher and more airy voice and a deeper voice casually, both are my real voice. It’s just how some people are.

[@flowerbloom5782]

She makes me cringe. I got a kid voice and baby face. It’s annoying being treated like a kid but then this girl is leaning into the stereotype.

[@raraavis4869]

The boy is mine/ Yes and? (2024) Fantasize (2023): "Thought you were solo, but you got a girl though, and my heart ain't been the same" 34+35 (2020): "even though I'm wifey you can hit it like a side chick" Break up with your girlfriend, Im bored (2018):" I know it ain't right but I don't care." One last time(2014): "don’t care if you got her in your heart All I really care is you wake up in my arms" Knew better/ forever boy(2014): "Never been with a boy more than six months I couldn't do it, got too used to it Ain't nobody ever kept my attention"

[@lessismore8533]

Eww at the 34+35 lyrics

[@holasoydora6522]

​@@lessismore8533cry ABT it make Ur own music

[@ChibututuNneka]

You forgot Just a little bit of your heart: I know I'm not your only, but at least I'm one

[@AngelCaroline9]

@@holasoydora6522 lmao found the ariana stan

[@ilovearianagrandefan]

fantasize isnt even her song

[@fuhjrvr7474]

she’s gonna leave him . doubt she’ll take care of a newborn baby

[@henriquesa2384]

Its almost certain, she had a ton of boyfriends, he's just another One, maybe after this Wicked chapter ends

[@TheePrincessBrat]

It’s not her baby to care for. She’s childfree. He must know that this is all temporary…she follows a very obvious pattern. She might be with him awhile, the ugly ones always last the longest. I wonder why

[@nystagmus1036]

Doubt Slater will take care of the/any baby. He is scum. Probably will beg his wife to take him back once Ariana dumps him, hope the wife will never let him back.

[@grandempressvicky6387]

@@TheePrincessBrat THAT'S the worst part to me. There is no way that he doesn't know that this will not last. But he is willing to destroy his MARRIAGE and relationship with his SON for a woman who has a history of leaving men at the drop of a hat when she is bored of them. It doesn't even matter if they are married; she will leave, and she will cheat. Why does he feel like he would be an exception to her behaviour? Or is the puss that good he can just say fuck everything else?

[@TheePrincessBrat]

@@grandempressvicky6387 men can be just as delusional as women in these situations, thinking it could be different. I’m sure Ariana is charming, manipulative, and she probably does have good 🐱, let’s be real lol. Guys don’t go crazy like that solely because a girl is cute. She also has status, so she probably feels like some kind of an upgrade to him. I’m sure she only brought out traits he already had. I’d be shocked if he hadn’t cheated before, but why have a baby smh

[@Bellakai22]

I love how she tried gaslighting us during her interview. Like girl bye💀

[@enternalmoonlight]

How she did even gaslight. It's yall gaslighting people to believe tabloids. She said she doesn't want to talk about it.

[@lessismore8533]

@@enternalmoonlightno duh she doesn’t want to talk about it cus she knows shes guilty…

[@Bellakai22]

@@enternalmoonlight She said a whole lot of nothing in her interview. She’s a homewrecker. Her pattern of behavior shows it..but never wants to be the villain so she always plays the victim. It’s not okay.

[@holasoydora6522]

You BYE- the internet GASLIGHTED U BYE BELIEVING IN FAKE WORDS BYE-

[@Bellakai22]

@@holasoydora6522 learn how to write a sentence maybe before you go after people 😂💀

[@a.walters123]

Ethan Slater has a literal baby at home with a literal baby face, and he STILL is choosing Ariana Grande.

[@kimberlyolaluv]

as he should

[@Pancakes4dindin]

@@kimberlyolaluvJust because your dad didn't want you doesn't mean everyone should be so careless. Go to therapy.

[@kimberlyolaluv]

@@Pancakes4dindin THE SELF PROJECTION LMFAO

[@purplemist7]

​@@kimberlyolaluvYes, you are doing a lot of self projecting😂😂😂

[@cocopuffsxx5623]

@@Pancakes4dindin☠️☠️☠️ bro’s daddy left so he wants everybody to know

[@trayas2272]

She literally has a song called “break up with your girlfriend, I’m bored”. She never hid it.

[@user-ph4qw6qo8u]

girl... its a song

[@saffieblaze8282]

@@user-ph4qw6qo8u based on her track record I’d say it’s more than just a song. Listen when people tell you who they are

[@satan4518]

@@user-ph4qw6qo8uWhere there’s smoke, there’s fire little girl.

[@jeralinsunflower7300]

And then on her new album, she tried to make it seem like Dalton cheated on her so she wouldn’t get much backlash for getting with Ethan. I do not believe that Dalton cheated on her.

[@psyche5751]

FR I NOTICED THIS TOOO, and all the fans are being like "she was never a wrecker, lily retracted her statement from page 6, it was all a lie" like wtf parasocial on another level

[@lilybartgremlin]

what makes it worse is Dalton can't ever talk publicly about it so I find it sooo disgusting that she is free to create this narrative while he doesn't even have a chance to defend himself

[@grandempressvicky6387]

Even then, if he cheated... does that suddenly give her the right to encourage someone else to cheat? As someone who was cheated on, she should know what it is like to be the one whose home is wrecked.

[@user-ph4qw6qo8u]

girl please your not even sure

[@jeralinsunflower7300]

@@user-ph4qw6qo8u girl please leave me alone. You’re not even sure either. 🙄

[@brendawggq187]

As a gay person, it makes me cringe and sad how my community IDOLIZES her because she is NOT a girls girl...

[@NK-hs7io]

Do they? Why?

[@brendawggq187]

@@NK-hs7iogood question, tbh I don't understand why because i personally hate her music but, Gay men love her music and who would die for her and I think it has alot to do with her femininity? But she's very child like in my opinion and will always be as this video proved.

[@Vesperad0]

​@@NK-hs7ioik im not the one you asked, but I'm also in queer spaces and see a lot of love for Ariana. I also have no idea why. I don't want to get into too much depth, but there's this side of tiktok called floptok which has a lot of queer and brown people in it, a unique little community, which likes to say that they are welcoming of anyone being a "flop". Y'know, not being or liking racists, making fun of sexist people, a "woke brigade" dressed up in sparkles, if you will. That's all I want to say. But for some reason, those values and beliefs they strongly hate don't seem to matter when there's a celebrity involved-theres a lot of stan culture with "flops", from people in telenovelas/bollywood films all around the world to standard American stars to kpop singers. They love, LOVE, nicki minaj and ariana grande. There's definitely other examples but I cannot remember. Probably taylor swift. What I find super weird though, is how the one person they fully stopped liking was doja cat, even though she had the cockiness/arrogance of the other two.

[@clairebleh1756]

@@Vesperad0 super interesting! Thanks for the comment, now I wanna go take a peek at floptok and see what unhinged behavior they have going on over there

[@hotsexyangel]

wdc boohoo

[@LelaJoonam]

I think there’s more to it than that. Nobody else had such obviously adult situations. This man was married with a newborn, it’s in everyone’s face that she is 30+ doing the same things she was doing in her early 20s.

[@lessismore8533]

Yup

[@lesaubergines]

Honestly I think it also has everything to do with the fact that she helped ruin a marriage. Yes, Ethan is obviously the one who took his vows, but cheating with a married man who has a baby is one of the worst things you can do to another woman. Pete Davidson wasn’t married. Big Sean wasn’t. I think people also noticing the pattern finally put it together. Now maybe she coulda got a pass for this if she looked younger, but Ariana fans are also growing up too & they empathize with Lilly Jay - not Ariana.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Big Sean was engaged so it is equally as bad in my eyes

[@ReebaD]

Yup! It’s a different thing, especially in Hollywood, to move in on someone’s boyfriend/girlfriend than it is to move in on their spouse/co-parent. They are both responsible, obviously, and Ethan is responsible for his own choices. But SHE is the famous one, she’s the name we all know and the one with a reputation to protect, plus there’s clearly a bit of a power imbalance in this pairing favoring her, so of course she’s going to take more of the criticism. AND she was married too! Even if Dalton was the devil himself like her fans are trying to portray him, that still doesn’t mean you wait to divorce until you find someone better to hook up with.

[@ewetn1]

Not only that but Ariana was also married this time.

[@shamaamamamamaah6928]

Big Sean was engaged to Naya Rivera. I remember Naya in her book saying that Ariana was hanging out with him without Naya around, flirting, etc etc.

[@Unavailablea4]

​@@shamaamamamamaah6928 RIP Naya Rivera her case hurts me because she didn't deserve it I use to be a fan of ariana as a child that didn't know any better but then I grew up and I am seeing she is just an disgusting and pathetic excuse of a human being

[@chicanapunkLA]

That Lily lady should SUE her and him for inflicting emotional distress when Ariana damn well knew LiLy had a newborn. It is the most stressful, emotional, confusing and physically demanding time for a woman and Ariana purposely hung out with them "a bunch" going on double dates all the while with intent on both thier ends of pursuing each into a relationship

[@holasoydora6522]

Bro LILY AND ETHAN BROKE UP BEFORE ARIANA HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH ETHAN

[@H.O.E-k1w]

she never sued? Because it wasn't true please

[@ilovearianagrandefan]

the baby wasnt even a newborn shows how much you dont know

[@UtopiaMotley]

I mean, it’s possible she could sue her ex husband if there’s enough proof of infidelity, I think, but for future reference, unfortunately, you cannot sue a home wrecker for home wrecking.

[@catkin-z8g]

Lily knew she had a baby so why was her partner away in a foreign country? If it was physically demanding wouldn't she have needed him by her side? Wouldn't she have said hang on we have a baby? Maybe he could have worked in America or she could have gone to live with him in the UK? None of this seems to have anything to do with Ariana Grande.

[@Phd366]

I thought I would able to separate “the art of the artist”, but I hated her in the interview with Zach… she was super annoying and condescending

[@ReebaD]

Agreed. I can’t with this new album, ESPECIALLY after watching that interview. I listened through the album once and I can’t separate the lyrics from this cheating situation and tbh idk how anyone with a brain could

[@no_one2197]

Her art us trash too, let's be honest

[@Vesperad0]

Sometimes the artist puts themself in their art. Sometimes, they are completely disconnected from it. With Ariana, you'd disfigure her trying to separate her actions from her music.

[@stcj0]

It's like she needs to destroy people just to have the mediation to make an album about the experience of destroying people. Maybe it's the terms she signed with the devil.

[@myklorenzo87]

​@@no_one2197it's not.. Jason's song.. greedy

[@Brooks430]

She also looked younger because she started getting plastic surgery when she was underage to make her features more delicate. Her nose and chin weren’t as small when she was 14-15.

[@allthingspage1498]

Lie again, this has already proven to be wrong

[@belphieyiu]

@@allthingspage1498 The fuck are you on? Look at her teen pics, there's clearly a difference😂

[@Unavailablea4]

​@@allthingspage1498she literally admitted she got surgeries you dumb fan😂

[@sofypi7493]

By who? You? Girlie changed her nose more then one time now sit down

[@RA-gj6hm]

@@allthingspage1498 Lmaooo she had her whole face and race reworked 5 times

[@Jslshortielol3]

I am also petite with a baby face and it’s totally true. People infantalize you for the longest time. It’s frustrating. But Ariana definitely just likes cheating.

[@Skitty235]

this is another PSA to not even consider bucal fat removal... it looks SO bad

[@Lst_inSPCE451]

It looks good on some people.

[@Skitty235]

@@Lst_inSPCE451I’m dying on the hill that I don’t think it looks good on anyone, but if it makes them happy then my words are only words.

[@ojigbo]

@@Skitty235 Exactly, especially not when you consider that you lose alot of fat in the face when you get older. This look will expire very quickly.

[@givememychannelback5425]

I thought her face changed due limited calories 💀

[@parkchimmin7913]

@@Lst_inSPCE451 It’s better to wait until you’re older cause you’ll get that gaunt look eventually. It’s just gonna look worse with the buccal fat removal.

[@Dee912]

I think the main factors with Ariana’s pass are: - pretty privilege - baby face - halo effect - her past role as cat was super intertwined with her real life. Back then she wasn’t just cat on screen, but also in real life. So I feel like people saw her as ditzy and not really harmful. The more and more years go on and these patterns still exist, the more people realize she’s just a regular woman who seems to be not that nice. - culture now is more focused on being morally right , canceling and keeping celebs in check. - she has an enormous fanbase where some people have deeply ingrained parasocial relationships, some of them starting from childhood. Some people just don’t want to/can’t see that she has done things that are just not okay. Not saying that they SHOULD dislike her, but that they can’t even acknowledge that she’s done some awful things

[@Noble-Nova]

As a fan I wholeheartedly agree with all of this

[@niniemery4758]

Also her being a white women as well

[@lessismore8533]

And the whole “she can sing” excuse Like she wasn’t BORN doing that Anyone can with years of vocal lessons and dedication Check out Morsiette Amon. 10 times more impressive . Same range of not higher

[@PeterGriffin11]

@@niniemery4758 I don’t think this has anything to do with her race. Cheating is wrong but I don’t think most people consider it to be so morally bad that they’d stop listening to an artist over it.

[@niniemery4758]

@@PeterGriffin11 no her race def does play a part in why she doesn’t get scrutinized when she does something wrong I’m not talking about her cheating everyone would get scrutinized for that I mean in general and that’s why the baby face works for her.

[@DreamItCraftIt]

When she starts aging soon all the fun will stop and she'll probably freak out

[@lessismore8533]

@@silversilver0I know. She looked better in Cat V red or Brown hair and I’m not even a fan

[@themagicalfox6]

That's why I think people are starting to notice she's a crappy person, her innocent look is fading

[@VultureSkins]

She’s… she’s been aging since she was born.

[@britniemonet_3693]

she’ll get a facelift lol

[@galbulbul]

​@britniemonet_3693 tone of celebs aged despite of face-lift.. Kylie Minogue, Madonna, Kim Kardashian Is noticeably older, JLO looks good but she can't act like teen anymore [which is ariana specialty]. You can't stop.aging

[@MS-yc2tb]

I've never liked her from the very beginning she rubbed me the wrong way. As a woman, I feel like we can sense when other women aren't a "girls girl" or they're a pick me or whatever the term is now days. She always irked me.

[@themagicalfox6]

I always saw past her baby face and girly aesthetic, she always came off like a pick me

[@erhtsee]

You encapsulated my thoughts and feelings very well. Donut incident cemented it for me that she is not who she portrayed/acted to be. It was obvious she was very fake form the constant playing as cat in her arianna interviews and even switching voices throughout interviews. the way she would changed her "style" skin race and blaccent depending on what was trending who she was dating and what would sell. also her being besties with nicki was a huge red flag. the way she demanding being filmed/photographed only on her good trying everything to be compared to mariah and purposely being the loudest whilst singing with the others on victorious and purposely not blending/harmonizing as well in order to stand out/get more attention. for her to not atleast stand in solidarity with Jeannette/her book speaks volumes and obvious from the start she was not a girls girl and fake af

[@lessismore8533]

Same here

[@lessismore8533]

@@erhtseeyah Ariana always gave me “show off” and “little miss perfect” vibes. Never liked her…

[@skillbopster]

What exactly is a girls girl?

[@vinnieslove]

I will never understand why people wasn't disgusted by break up with your girlfriend i am bored There is nothing sexy in cheating wtf

[@DaughterOfHelios]

I hated that song the moment I read the title, I did give it a try and still disliked it. The only song I did like that was about cheating by her was One Last Time.

[@zah936]

This

[@vixxexo6855]

Maybe because it is a song. Just like movies, stuff that happens in a music video and song lyrics are not real life.

[@NatTalks01]

when that song came out people on my group chat were freaking out and I said the lyrics were pretty disgusting and clear that she didn't care about other women at all and everyone told me I was being too dramatic and it's just a song...WELL I wish I had been wrong

[@atinybruh]

Its the same as people listening to the songs about murder, drugs, watching movies and loving villains, you wouldnt like it if it was real, but its just fiction

[@tkjm94]

It's called narcissism. I'd love for you to do a deep dive on how this type of personality disorder thrives in Hollywood.

[@ALT-vz3jn]

It’s normal. The number of narcissists that go into acting is very disproportionate to other personality types. Most successful celebrities are narcissists. There’s a great YT channel called HG Tudor, he’s analyzed many celebrities.

[@raraavis4869]

It's a sickness running in Hollywood. Think about having constant cameras shoved at you, completely surrounded by yes men and women (even family), and a delusional fan base

[@lessismore8533]

@@ALT-vz3jnthanks! Imma check that KZbin channel out

[@VultureSkins]

I hope she doesn’t, because that would be really, really inappropriate. Speculating about people’s mental health is not okay, especially not to a large audience, not even if you’re speculating about celebrities. It would be unprofessional and disrespectful.

[@tkjm94]

@@VultureSkins These are 9 markers for Narcissist Personality Disorder: -Grandiose sense of self-importance. -Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love. -Belief that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people or institutions. -Need for excessive admiration. -Sense of entitlement. -Interpersonally exploitive behavior. -Lack of empathy. -Envy of others or belief that others are envious of him or her. -Demonstration of arrogant and haughty behaviors or attitudes. Know them and protect yourself.

[@cremeuxkraft9019]

I just think it's gross how much her new man looks like her brother. Lol

[@mirachan9217]

That happens a lot in relationships it's so weird

[@stcj0]

My wife cracked jokes about how he is perfect as the sponge cause looking at him makes all the moister in her cooch dry up. 😂

[@idgafcba]

Omg I never realised but true...they could be twins fr

[@girlwiththepurplepen]

It's weird, but it's not uncommon. Psychology theories have actually argued that we're more likely to be attracted to people who look like us, because we're attracted to ourselves. Hence why people may go after partners who look like their parents or siblings, because your parents/siblings look like YOU; therefore, your partner looks like you. In some cases, such as Ethan & Frankie (& look at Florence Pugh's dad & her ex Zach Braff), it's an obvious similarity. While in other cases, the personality traits may trump the physical similarities.

[@babyxblue]

​​@@girlwiththepurplepen from what I've learned, the reason why we tend to end up with people that look like our relatives is because as humans we feel comfort and safety in similarity. Our relatives "feel like home" because we know them from such a young age and we look for this in our partners as well. Humans are always looking for patterns.

[@JulesM434]

As someone with a baby face, it's a double-edged sword. Sure people wanna give you the benefit of the doubt but at the same time they assume you're incompetent and treat you as the child they perceive you to be.

[@Vesperad0]

Says something about the way we treat children. Yes kids aren't going to be capable of everything, nor are they always going to be right or catching something an adult missed, but they're also humans. One day people will learn children aren't property, or slaves to ensure their parents will die happily/peacefully when they've brought a child into this world just to care for a future them. Not tomorrow, but hopefully someday.

[@nanadecarvalho7840]

@@Vesperad0hopefully

[@nanadecarvalho7840]

@@Vesperad0hopefully

[@Demoralizacjaxxiwieku]

Same!! And they think I’m weak. Attack me

[@thirdlynephilim]

It is hard to start a real career.

[@pinklemonade8320]

I don't even think it's necessary to invoke babyface phenomenon here; Ariana's fans are okay with what she does because a lot of them seem to think it's "girlboss" behavuour to "steal your man" and be a diva. And that's all there is to it. She appeals to a certain demographic that fantasizes about being THAT girl, just like rappers can get away with cheating etc because they appeal to men who want to be players.

[@saoverby506]

She also hides behind empowerment. She pretends like she's following "love and light" and her "heart's most honest desires." Like that's a good excuse for being an asshole. If your heart's desires are to insert yourself into someone's relationship, then you need to re-evaluate. It comes off as self-hatred, like she refuses to be in a healthy situation.

[@mmgs1148]

You are right and the rappers analogy is good, people live vicariously through their favs songs/lyrics to be exact

[@mmgs1148]

​@@saoverby506 we have a saying where I live that the hell is paved with good intentions and its so true, people do effed up stuff because they see it as good, like some dictators have the desire to make a perfect society and a perfect country but choose cruelty, however if you look only at an intention, it seems fair

[@rosesrises7435]

I don’t think she has baby face at all. I do believe because because her body is very petite and skinny and has small features it makes her look younger than she is though.

[@fragrantbloom]

True.

[@canalsinceramentenos]

she lures ppl like a mermaid, just to pull them deep into the dangerous waters

[@truthseeker9249]

She's a siren.

[@winxclubstellamusa]

That’s a siren, not a mermaid. And the males she steals are the ones who allow themselves to be stolen! So they aren’t innocent sailors who were lured to their death.

[@lunathemoon64]

All I know is that Jeanette McCurdy was always right. Ariana gets whatever she wants when she wants it because she's Ariana.

[@enternalmoonlight]

Jennette said she's jealous of ariana and didn't say anything bar about her tho

[@lessismore8533]

@@enternalmoonlightboth of you guys are correct

[@myricn]

@@enternalmoonlight she has literally said things about her in her book and also made a clip of portraying an actor like Ariana

[@lessismore8533]

@@myricnjust because Jennette is flawed doesn’t mean Ariana isn’t. They’re both human….

[@myricn]

@@lessismore8533 no one said otherwise…? What is ur point? Cause you’re answer has nothing to do with what I said 😅

[@purplezombie4940]

Can I be honest without getting the pitchforks and torches thrown my way: I believe a lot of the general public didn't really go after Ariana as hard because of what happened at Manchester. Because if you criticized her, you were criticizing a person with PTSD and who went through a huge tragedy at the time and would be viewed as insensitive. Now that that was almost 10 years ago, people forget/moved on so they hold her accountable now. I'm not excusing what she did, I think what she did is horrible but I can't help but notice the general public isn't "coddling" (for lack of a better term) than they used to.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Thats actually true

[@Oberatous-Udurabas]

This

[@Vesperad0]

Sometimes, that "coddling" is and can be fair. However this situation, or situations, has nothing to do with being a child star anymore, but with her own romantic relationships. For those people, maybe things would be more complicated and pitying if any of grande's ""dramas"" had relevance to anything she might have dealt with at nick, but this is an entirely separate ballgame. It is so very frustrating how people cannot understand complexities. They either ignore and baby someone because they had dangerous or traumatic experiences, or they treat them like a monster with no respect or empathy for their past. Sometimes the past lingers and has an effect, sometimes the situation is completely separate. We can't just water down past victims to "evil" or "innocent baby", because people have always been much more complicated than that. Ariana's not a perfect example, but an example nonetheless.

[@faith-on-the-internet]

yup. the combination of manchester and mac miller’s death really made everyone sympathetic to her, bc who wouldn’t feel that way? but it did really “cushion” her, in a way. not to be fucked up but like you know what i’m saying

[@kseni_vely]

When you're right - you're right 🙂

[@shanliekpop]

She's a friend no woman would want to have and the family member you'd be ashamed of. It's crazy how she still tries to manipulate her fans into putting the blame on others instead of herself. Trying to reverse engineer the whole thing to say "if you hate me you hate women" when that's just fundamentally incorrect. It's not about men vs women, it's about her being an awful *Human* being. People trying to make Ethan the main point are missing it, no one is letting him off scot free. But Ariana is the ring leader. Ethan is just a pawn in her world, he is another disposable boy toy, just another name on Ariana's list. He's nothing special and might never make this mistake again after he finally get's burned, but Ariana will just keep doing what she does and ruin more people's lives.

[@cinnamonroll96]

I agree I’d not have a person who cheated or helped, as a friend and much less a partner. I also think ppl validly don’t support her anymore or lose respect. But I definitely and heavily disagree with just denying that there are misogynistic double standards going around. That’s always the case. The dude cheated on his wife and his kid. He is the one that destroyed his family, he is the homewrecker. And therefore he is the main one to blame and take responsibility. It’s not the affair. It’s not the one who helped him do that. Yes she is also to blame and was incredibly doodoo💩💩 for in being part of that. But it’s true that those dudes go comparatively Scott free. Not just with her case. There’s no need to forgive her for anything (not like it’s our place or business to do so anyways). Not like she’s asking or should be asking for forgiveness anyways. Like she didn’t do anything she needs to apologize for to the public. But there’s a difference at giving her all the blame which a lot of ppl seem to do so, when simultaneously claiming that dude doesn’t go without consequences. Even tho you’re not talking about how you wouldn’t want someone like him in your family or as a friend around. Why are ppl more mad at HER for HIM cheating on his wife and kid. It’s weird to think she as a woman that is not married to this woman and has that child with her, is the one that betrayed her worse than the man did. And I’m seeing such things a lot. So needless to say I disagree with just denying misogynistic double standards and hypocrisy that obviously are there regarding affairs and cheating in general and also in this case here. Especially when the ppl who called her slurs are now feeling like they are even justified at doing so. I think it’s valid to not condone what she did, or not support her anymore. I don’t either. But I wasn’t under some illusion like other ppl are with stars to begin with. But the things she sang about are true as well. Ppl have no right to comment on her body. And why do ppl care so much (onesidedly might I add).

[@catkin-z8g]

I thought it was Lily Jay who made the "not a girls girl" comment. It looks like you are the one trying to spin it round. Are you a Taylor Swift fan? I can certainly see some kpop on your channel. I remember hearing something about Ariana leaving her manager who was getting involved with k-pop.

[@leek6068]

its kinda dumb to assume to, that ethan is the better person here and like "may never make the mistake again".. why? yes youre first few sentiments are true. wouldnt want her for a friend, wouldnt be proud if a family member did this-- but frame this as "ethans one mistake" and her being a "ring leader: ttoally sounds mysoginistic. At the end of the day, as awful human as she may be-- she doesnt owe his wife or that baby shit. BUT he fucking does! he literally left his wife and cheated when they finally began building a life together. poiint is, she could have been an awful person but he couldve said no. he is the variable here, shes a constant. like she can keep being open to fucking a man thats married and has a kid, but he couldve had his values in line. shes single, hes married,. hes the worse person at the end of the day. she sucks but like, clearly shes just troubled. he is pathetic for not having a single cell of loyalty or commitment to values and vows.

[@xfreja]

@@cinnamonroll96 ethan is not the homewrecker, ariana is. that term is for people outside of relationships who come in and wreck them/their family

[@Vesperad0]

​@@xfrejayes, but look at the word literally. He wrecked his own home. It's not exactly wrong to call him one, especially when it takes two to homewreck a marriage. Married people don't just, accidentally cheat on their spouses. And most people don't accidentally end up dating married people without being upset or disgusted. The term essentially fits.

[@gxbrielwatches4088]

Also has pretty privilege

[@HellishSinner]

And woman privilege too

[@VultureSkins]

@@HellishSinnerliterally shut up

[@lesaubergines]

@@HellishSinner lol okay incel

[@lesaubergines]

pretty privilege is debatable 😅

[@manumaster1990]

@@VultureSkins literally wake up and stop being a dogmatic person.

[@Thecandycorn0]

And she’s white which also does factor into it. When Alicia Keys was outed for being the other woman, she lost fans, deals, and her career never recovered.

[@shiloilo]

i was looking for this comment... Ariana's a conventionally attractive white woman of course she isn't gonna be held to as high of a standard even though shes a woman in the entertainment industry,

[@skillbopster]

Why not compare her to a known black female celebrity that cheated that was then celebrated as a bossgirl? Also she doesn't look white so your theory makes no sense. She's being cancelled right now so where is this white privilege?

[@everly00]

don't involve race in it

[@Thecandycorn0]

@@everly00 I did so what

[@deegutsy7574]

​@@Thecandycorn0 literally what does race have to do with anything here wtf

[@Azulagirlboss]

Omg Ethan & Ariana look comically bad together 😂 Being cheaters does turn you physically ugly.

[@stefhanysilva3823]

They don't match like ??? Omgg

[@DrYou-Mbbs_edu]

They look like siblings😂

[@_chrshcmps]

I find it cringe that her fans, even in this video, are still defending her despite so much evidence and patterns of her cheating behavior also her rude personality

[@restingsadface]

I’m glad someone is calling this out. I’m not an Ariana-hater, but I just hate the hypocrisy. Many celebrities have gotten cancelled to hell for much less, and it’s sad how obvious pretty privilege plays a role in everyone forgiving her. It sucks seeing pretty privilege in action actively forgiving people once they pretend to be above the “drama”, when she’s literally did it. She’s a home wrecker lol. It’s clear Ari is stuck in that high school mentality where she is Regina George & everyone is beneath her. She will probably never stop doing really shitty things bc she just “felt like it” and is super rich.

[@lexipitts3028]

Right…she’s cute but she’s not that pretty honestly…white privilege has a lot to do with it

[@mmgs1148]

Fans defending her are just too young to remember the backlash after Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt affair, recently the Maroon 5 Singer got some shit for cheating on his wife too, Chris Pratt too because people thought he dissed his wife in his post and people didnt take well his divorce. And still fans have the audacity to say that no one gets backlash except their fav

[@urmom1477]

The worst thing she had done was the supposed "homewrecking" stuff. Which was proven to be false, but people still decide to hang on to that narrative because they just want to hate on her for every little thing she does. I'm not saying she's perfect, but she's not terrible she's a human being, too. We should all not be so judgy towards people we know nothing about besides what tabloids tell us and what they show us. Also, we should learn that the tabloids are also terrible. They stalk and start rumors about every celebrity.

[@redscar1973]

Celebrities getting canceled over cheating is dumb. As far as I know, cheating isn't a crime. None of us know the celebrities close enough were finding out they're cheaters affects us in any way.

[@enternalmoonlight]

This is just not true. I've never seen any celebs get as much backlash as ariana. Any ariana video is always filled with hate comments. The hypocrisy is people hating so hard on ariana for things other celebs do and get away with.

[@salazar556]

Honestly, ever since the whole Victoria Justice thing happened, I never thought she was a good person.

[@sadlad444]

Exactly. Poor Vic. They did her so dirty

[@enternalmoonlight]

​@@sadlad444victoria is the actual bully and she bullied that girl on Zoe show. Why feel bad for her as if she's a victim of anything

[@sadlad444]

@enternalmoonlight I'm taking everything that Alexa said with a grain of salt. Lately she been getting called out for her manipulative tactics and making money off of victims of child abuse. Besides they were young as fuck. They were kids. Now they are adults. That shit happened about 20 years ago.

[@RED-my9hl]

​@@enternalmoonlightwasn't that someone else? 💀

[@adyaparamitaputripratama2786]

​@@sadlad444 hey, may i know where you got those info from??

[@Jabberwocky112]

I would say baby face is not exactly a plus when you’re neurodivergent. I’ve had to work harder to get myself taken seriously in my field due to my shortness, being a woman and my autism. When you’re neurotypical it can work in your favor, when you’re neurodivergent people infantalize you so much it becomes condescending. I have to show I’m an adult in ways my peers don’t.

[@LisaF777]

Exactly

[@Binabeanz]

This. This right here.

[@jesss101]

it can also depend what neurodivergency and what traits. for example, i'm also short, a woman, and have adhd. but my traits like being forgetful or saying things without thinking, can sometimes be seen as "endearing" on me.... bc i'm small and look young. others can see it as, "aww, she's kinda off but trying her best". it's annoying to be infantalized but also i get a "pass" on some things i mess up on :// so degrading and beneficial at the same time? like bitter sweet :/

[@Marinaaduran]

But this topic is about Atiana Grande, who is not neurodivergent

[@mynameisreallycool1]

@Marimaaduran Yes, but it's also about baby faces. This person is just pointing out there having a youthful look is a double edged sword.

[@justjet175]

Like 14 years ago, Ariana SPIT on donuts at a bakery. The surveillance video is clear. How she got a pass for that I'll never understand.

[@catkin-z8g]

she didn't spit on any donuts and the amount of times this non event gets mentioned really is not evidence of getting a pass but digging deep to try and find something to attack her for.

[@BleachBlue04]

@@catkin-z8gbeen seeing you all over this comment section. Brown nosing for a bad person will not get you rewarded, especially a person that does not know you exist.

[@catkin-z8g]

@@BleachBlue04 I think Ariana wears toxin free lipstick. It is perfectly safe. Donuts contain eggs and dairy if you are worried about bodily excretions.

[@tasmeenbaker9912]

That was actually 8 years ago

[@lessismore8533]

“14 years ago”😂

[@kiwi-se4ld]

I've always looked older and more mature, and once I got into the work force I realized that I was treated MUCH differently than my coworkers who looked young or had baby faces, even when I was actually the younger one. I was always held to a higher standard while those coworkers often got passes when they messed up or acted out.

[@lessismore8533]

Dang so sorry

[@TheGamer2001]

I am sorry to hear that. Interestingly enough, as someone with a baby face, I have been treated the opposite way of what you are describing. I was made the "dumb one," because the idea was that if I looked young, I must have been stupid. I wasn't taken seriously, If there was a task there was suspision if I would be able to perform it at all, and people went out of their way to blame me if something went wrong, because they thought that I was not not getting enough flack. It has improved since I work from home now and noone needs to see my face.

[@-Radical.Ed-]

I always looked more "mature" (not to say old, lol). But, it's double edged, people will treat me as a more professional person and that helped me as somebody who had power positions pretty young. However, yeah, people do value youthful looking people and will act more tender towards them too.

[@user-rx7pd1xv4k]

I guess the grass isn't always greener

[@soho6435]

omg same its so embarrassing

[@stcj0]

Its probably also just evident to note that this cant even be about her being in love with this guy. Looking at him of all people, it's just obvious this is about her having victory over his wife. Getting her inner psychologically, unstabled rocks off via ego trip because she has to prove she can take anyone away from anyone else and the real prize isn't this man at all. It's throwing all the women into misery, pain, therapy, insecurity and devastation. Like we could assume in her past 5-6 relationships it could have been love because sure, those men ehere attractive and had much to offer in the power couple dynamic but she doesnt stay long and its like the high of winning wears off and she needs to do it again cause she gets bored until she see's another couple and she needs to instigate with them aswell.

[@aceyd9299]

Her dad cheated on her mom and left her for another woman. She likely has a warped sense of relationships and thinks being "the other woman" is being the winner.

[@AngelCaroline9]

@@aceyd9299 she's an awful person if that's really what's driving her. you would think she would be a better person exactly because she'd empathize with her mom's situation; instead, she's inflicting that exact same pain on other people

[@Rosie82333]

@@AngelCaroline9 hurt people hurt people….

[@AngelCaroline9]

@@Rosie82333 doesn't excuse their behavior. unless she hates her mom, not gaining empathy from her situation says a lot about ariana's character; her behavior makes her come across as callous and selfish, not emotion-driven

[@jennferley8854]

I remember in school, when I was a teen, every boy in my class choose Cat as their crush. Even later on, if you asked about their ideal type they also said Ariana. It is that innocent and child like image which they love. Men love being the protector, as much as some weirdos unfortunetly love young girls and the feeling of having control. It makes them feel alpha. She mastered to take that into her advantage and continues to manipulate with that. At the end of the day she is a mirror of society, we all know how heavily she was sexualized, especially by dirty dan.

[@psyche5751]

omg trueeee

[@TalareeStaunteec]

she even slept with dan cuz her momma joan told her to - she can push her career

[@nf9407]

Ariana’s been a home wrecker lol Jai Brooks, Jeannette Mccurdy tweeting that Ariana cheated on her boyfriend 5x in 2013 “I don’t care that she’s the one in your heart, all I care about is waking up in your arms” - Ariana One Last Time 2014 Naya Rivera (RIP) mentions in her memoir that she found Ariana grande in big Sean’s house - 2015 Break Up With Your Girlfriend - Ariana Grande 2018 2023 - Ariana grande gets with a weak married dude and he ends up leaving his wife and his new born baby

[@mmmissmiss3356]

Pete Davidson also had a girlfriend, Cazzie or something, and he left her for Ariana

[@catkin-z8g]

Was that the time Jeanette was jealous about Ariana hanging out with Tom Hanks?

[@nf9407]

@@catkin-z8g a little bit after that, it was when Jeannette was annoyed that Ariana kept missing episodes and she confirmed on Twitter that Ariana cheated on her boyfriend so many times.

[@tasmeenbaker9912]

She was also very close with Mac Miller while he was with his ex gf. She also claimed that Mac left her for Ariana.

[@leena75]

@@catkin-z8g being jealous doesnt mean she didnt tell the truth, the pattern is clear

[@manumaster1990]

pretty privileges is big.

[@Tom-sj3vn]

She’s looking more and more like a drauger each day so I think the privilege is dissembling

[@sarahthomas8670]

Sadly yes

[@666melodeath666]

Donna Manipulates me to click immediately when she uploads

[@manumaster1990]

fun fact: did you that "donna" means "woman" in italian?

[@williameyelash8053]

I don't really think the baby face has anything to do with it tbh she still kinda looks like that, I think a lot of criticism was muted cause of Manchester and Mac Miller. But that sympathy has worn out

[@Unavailablea4]

What's disgusting is that she profits off of Manchester and Mac Miller she did not love him like she claims she loved Dalton and now this Ethan guy

[@abbied]

@@Unavailablea4Literally (like she used the dog in her music video for “we can’t be friends” to symbolize Mac Miller’s dog and a teddy bear in it to symbolize a teddy bear he gifted her when she was dating him before in the past) she is verging on sociopathic at this point (I fear) 😭😭😭😭

[@abbied]

@@Unavailablea4Well that’s what I heard at least anyways (but you know) yeah 😕🤷🏻‍♀️

[@lessismore8533]

Nit as much baby face anymore. She’s 30 now plus she got stuff done on her face

[@abbied]

@@Unavailablea4 But how does she profit off of Manchester still? (You mean like because people felt sympathetic towards her about that?) ://

[@sarahthomas8670]

She’s so insecure tbh

[@soho6435]

bro literally how are you a rich white pretty person still so insecure? it's sad

[@unknown1667]

The baby face effect is so prevalent in the school system- watching this video I remembered seeing classmates who matured faster get shouted at/aggressively punished for simple failures (e.g not doing homework), whereas I have a baby face and have never been punished and teachers always speak gently to me. It shocks me how much even authority figures discriminate based on looks/babyface, and how this is rarely ever discussed.

[@AmyPieterse]

Omg! 😂 just had a flashback to school years !!! The baby faces would cry and magically get out of doing homework 😂 🤦🏽

[@Ellgand]

Lmfao tell me abt it. I matured so fast and I felt like I was such a target bc of it. I was literally like 5’9 in 6th grade lol

[@AmyPieterse]

@@Ellgand I’m 6’4” so I was never considered cute)) I was too tall🤷🏽‍♀️🙄 adults treated me like I was an adult when I was 8 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@TheGamer2001]

It wasn't the case in my school in a Slavic country where every girl had a baby face.

[@aurora_skye]

Same here

[@CerpinTaxtt]

one other baby faced person I can think of is probably david dobrik, he got away with a lot. Personally, whenever I looked at him he always struck me as creepy looking, something very uncanny about his boyish face and the way he smiles. It's one of the reasons why I always found him so annoying, because kids are also annoying like that.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

David dobrik always grossed me out

[@milenalorang7088]

wait, did he do something bad?

[@Vesperad0]

​@@milenalorang7088girlfriend I fear you are several years and hour long video essays late, I believe Donna has a video or two about him

[@katgreer6113]

if he wasn't problematic would you still say the same thing?

[@CerpinTaxtt]

@@katgreer6113 probably yeah, but in that scenario I would just leave him out of sight and out of mind, or at least keep these thoughts to myself haha. But after learning about him and how he ran his crew/cult, my eyes felt validated lol.

[@katherinepierce9933]

I don't think this is because Ariana doesn't have a baby face anymore, in my opinion she still has that, but I think that before Lily Jay not as many people knew this was a pattern of behavior with Ariana (the cheating), I don't think that was obvious unless you'd done your research by yourself, and now a really small child is involved and it was portrayed as "Lily Jay only gave birth recently, they were together for 10 years, and he left her for Ariana Grande", I'm not surprised this hit people, this goes further than just "people cheat on each other in Hollywood", this was particularly... cruel, I think. But I still like Ariana's songs, because I separate art from the artist.

[@mirachan9217]

The best take

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I knew it was a behavior since the big sean relationship

[@ReebaD]

Yeah I never paid attention to her relationships (except Pete cuz how could you not notice that one lol) until now so I had no idea it was like her thing. It’s definitely hitting people hard because of the high school sweetheart and the baby of it all. It’s different to break up a boyfriend and girlfriend in Hollywood than a decade long relationship with a BRAND NEW baby

[@catkin-z8g]

It was soon after the video where Ariana was saying about how she used to use lots of antidepressants and was healthier now. Before that there was videos saying she was unhealthy. Being healthy doesn't equate to having a baby face but I do think some people treat older people worse and you might only realise once you get older what they are really like.

[@Vesperad0]

​@@catkin-z8gI've seen a few of your comments but have no idea what you're arguing for...or against. But what I do know is that, as unfortunate as that is, being depressed isn't an excuse for behavior. That only perpetrates stereotypes, and allows people to get away with being horrible. As sad as it is, depressed people are more likely to believe themselves unworthy of love, then to have a trend of cheating before writing a song like "yes, and?" as if it could be dismissed.

[@poorbeepuns8731]

the kid would be like: my dad is spongebob and left us for ariana grande lols

[@kakacoco5]

Nickelodeon ruins everything

[@ReebaD]

Maybe the kid will at least get a good book deal or something one day out of all this mess 😅

[@sarahthomas8670]

LAMAOAOA

[@krims_kringle]

@@ReebaD i bet lmao id buy the book!

[@ButterflyBlossom6415]

Lmao

[@opiniwise]

I dont think people are blaming Ethan Slater enough

[@soho6435]

yeah because he is not one of the most famous people on earth rn like ari is. But people ofc still blame him just the same, just not talking abou tit as much. They're both to blame. But honesntly this is ari's game, she always goes after taken men so...

[@bontlelethetsa]

For Ariana it’s a pattern that’s what people are calling out

[@KyKyy333]

She try to act so innocent and all little/petite too don’t forget that

[@eml6705]

She doesn't "act" petite she just is petite, she can't help her natural body

[@nanadecarvalho7840]

True. Her baby voice and coquette fashion lately is all an act to seem more “innocent”, she knows what she’s doing.

[@KyKyy333]

@@nanadecarvalho7840 Fr🤣🤣she get on my nerves Fr cuz ppl always underestimate her and give that girl a pass for everything

[@catkin-z8g]

@@KyKyy333 I think she gets a lot of mud slung at her. Have you not noticed all the vile comments on this video? If she was more tall like Taylor Swift maybe she would get a free pass. Maybe it is the Stepford wife image that appeals to the right wingers. Ariana has too many tatoos so they feel emboldened to spew out their prejudices.

[@lessismore8533]

@@KyKyy333it’s so evil when ppl take advantage of privileges to get what they want. I grew up with a younger sibling like that. He was the worst

[@PearlM38]

She is truly uncancellable. Now she has a hit album out of it. I don’t think karma exists for Ariana Grande. She gets everything she wants with little to no consequences. Idk how her karma works, but mine works crazy fast and I get hit with immediate consequences.

[@Mila-cq4tn]

It will eventually, I mean it took years for it to catch up to Diddy but it still did.

[@Fractal-of-Venus]

She is like a pendulum swinging very fast to one side of extremes...but eventually when it swings back (which it always does) she will have to deal with the opposite end of those extremes. This is why it's so important to have a balance of morality and integrity in life. It's a good sign that your pendulum swings back to consequences immediately. You must have a good balance of moral integrity and emotional intelligence.

[@MsRuneGirl]

Karma doesn’t exist. It’s a made up fantasy of the human mind. Sometimes bad people are punished, sometimes they aren’t. Same things goes for good people. You aren’t awarded by some magical universal law for good deeds. There was a serial killer once who tortured and murdered woman his entire life, who didn’t get caught until after his death. Died at the age of 80. Had a whole family, children, grandchildren. Etc. lived a comfortable life. Extreme example, I know. But the point is karma doesn’t exist. Only times it exists, is if someone is dumb enough get caught and suffer the consequences/isn’t a good enough manipulator or have enough power to escape those consequences. Arianna has the power and money/privilege to escape the consequences. That’s it 🤷🏼‍♀️ People don’t like believing that sometimes the bad people win, but that’s just the way life works. In real life, there’s no such thing as heroes.

[@MsRuneGirl]

Karma doesn’t exist. It’s a made up fantasy of the human mind. Sometimes bad people are punished, sometimes they aren’t. Same things goes for good people. You aren’t awarded by some magical universal law for good deeds. There was a serial killer once who tortured and murdered woman his entire life, who didn’t get caught until after his death. Died at the age of 80. Had a whole family, children, grandchildren. Etc. lived a comfortable life. Extreme example, I know. But the point is karma doesn’t exist. Only times it exists, is if someone is dumb enough get caught and suffer the consequences/isn’t a good enough manipulator or have enough power to escape those consequences. Arianna has the power and money/privilege to escape the consequences. That’s it 🤷🏼‍♀️ People don’t like believing that sometimes the bad people win, but that’s just the way life works. In real life, there’s no such thing as heroes.

[@enternalmoonlight]

Why is she being painted as a demon tho? How do we know for sure she's some demon with no karma?

[@heyvaedryn]

The irony talking about Ariana's face is that it's not even her real face :(

[@taneshataneshalinga2141]

So

[@Kat-e8c]

She bought it, it's hers

[@AundreaWilliams-ve8bl]

​@@Kat-e8c Biologically its not hers boo ❤

[@myricn]

@@taneshataneshalinga2141 ain’t no real pretty privilege if the pretty ain’t real. 🤮

[@VultureSkins]

@@myricnare you arguing that she doesn’t have pretty privilege bc she had cosmetic work done lol?

[@pinkyhc4130]

I want a Celine Dion cover of Break Up With Your Girlfriend Cuz Im Bored.

[@akiinmoonlight79]

Nah fr can someone please create that ?!

[@lessismore8533]

😂😂😂😂

[@beckagrace7499]

I😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MysticOceanDollies]

@@akiinmoonlight79what ai should be used for 😂

[@recklesslady758]

I have a baby face and even though I'm a mom of 2 and over 30 years old I have a hard time getting employer's ,coworkers to take me seriously it's frustrating

[@youtubecommentergal4346]

Always wondered why her fans are super loyal to her. I could listen to her songs but didn't give a damn about her personal life. I remember being grossed out by that donut licking scandal. People somehow chose to forget it and act like it didn't happen.

[@urmom1477]

They didn't choose to forget it. They know it happened, but just choose to ignore it because it happened so long ago that no one cares. She matured its normal to act careless when you're young. That's why we mature to grow out of this careless behavior and that she did

[@youtubecommentergal4346]

@@urmom1477 I get that we mature. What I meant is I didn't feel like she got much backlash or flak for it.

[@TalareeStaunteec]

@@youtubecommentergal4346 she did lol she made an apology video but i think she apologized to get ppl off her nyash/back iykyk

[@jenn_and_juice]

supposedly mac miller was on and off with his longterm girlfriend when he got with ariana as well

[@MsHermyGranger]

I'm a short woman of 26, I have a baby face and I work as a doctor. My patients have asked me numerous times if I'm a real doctor or just a student. I gotta say I really do feel like a child and I like childish clothes, cute backpacks and stuff. But becuse of my job and people not taking me seriously I started to wear more grounded clothes, tend to choose more adult-like glasses, hairstyles, shoes. I started acting more confident and people ask those kind of questions less frequently now. People wonder why Millie Bobbie Brown wants to look older and I 100% understand her now. It's because you are not treated as an equal if you look like a young little girl! We just want to be treated the same way as older men do! People really do treat male doctors better, they respect them and trust their decisions. If they are not being ignorant of offensive, patients tend to respect them more. But I also have to admit that patients have more sympathy towards me than they do to the male doctors. If I fuck something up they don't care that much as they do if the male doctor messes up. I also try to calm people down, I don't act agressive so it may also be a factor

[@elisavet3287]

millie bobby brown does look older without trying tho, her facial structure makes her look a lot older

[@eml6705]

Bro ur 26 and a doctor? How

[@MsHermyGranger]

@@eml6705 I live in Russia, med school is different here

[@carolynrjackson]

What kind of things are you f**ing up?...

[@fatalblue]

I sympathize with this. I too had a long phase where I put extra effort into "looking my age" for the same reason. The phase ended around my early 30s. Now idgaf if people take me serious or not. In the end my usually speaks for itself resulting in others changing their tune and treating me with more respect. I shameless take advantage of my youthful looks now to rock cute clothes and anime keychains on my bags when I go out.

[@tulpamedia]

Bro she really cheated on her husband with spongebob 💀💀💀

[@kimberlyolaluv]

if yall are going to speak on something then please KNOW what ur saying. u dumb ass EVERYONE knows, including her haters, know that her and ethan started messing around in july of last year 😭 ariana and dalton divorced in february of last year. last time i checked february came before july…july is literally when everything started happening

[@archivesunset4214]

did u not watch the video? they had been divorced already😭

[@tulpamedia]

@@archivesunset4214 you're focusing on the wrong part here. Imagine if you saw that your ex was dating spongebob? That's a tremendous L

[@archivesunset4214]

@tulpamedia I mean that's on them😭who cares

[@tulpamedia]

@@archivesunset4214 she's getting down and dirty with spongebob

[@Kickitwithamber]

Yes, agreed her face isn’t as baby faced and PLUS I think the fact there’s a child involved makes this situation even worse. Maybe it’s what’s captured the attention of everyone else, also the fact that her fan bases are so much older and probably have a better understanding of how wrong it is.

[@gracehol17]

I've never liked her exactly because of that. She always felt so fake, acting exaggeratingly innocent, naive and child-like. I was always weirded out by this because of how explicit her lyrics were. How people have never seen that before and actually bought into that.

[@kimberlyolaluv]

nobody cares grace ur broke

[@lami2909]

@@kimberlyolaluvwhat makes you think anyone cares about you kid? Stfu weirdo

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I haven't liked Ariana Grande since the donut licking incident

[@lessismore8533]

Lol

[@Brittanysplittany]

It makes me wonder what else she says and does when she doesn’t know she’s being recorded

[@trashtalker-oz8vo]

Same

[@alex_valden]

I'm also baffled by the amount of gaslighting in Eternal Sunshine. In "Yes, and?" bridge where she says "Your business is yours and mine is mine, why do you care so much about whose - I ride?" Or simply "Boy is mine" being a song poking fun at people who label her as a homewrecker. But also that interview she recently did where she was so rude imo. I can't believe her fans are still in denial.

[@jrpggolf]

Sorry, but Spongeboy wrecked his own home. He had it all, the wife, the kid and HE blew that up.

[@04__DIA]

And Ariana was his accomplice. None of the blame should be put on her had she not known that he was a married man, had she not known that he had a child with his wife. BUT SHE DID. She even met his wife and the baby, in person. She is just as horrible and as much to blame.

[@moniquemorris5833]

​@@04__DIA She even held the baby, I'm sick! 😭

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

It takes two to tango. No one held her at gun point and made her date a married man.

[@WillianyAmill]

Again you think we only hold her accountable but that's not true. We hold both of them accountable. But in the end of the day he hurt only his wife and child. That's only two people he hurt. He is not fkn responsible for hurting all the other 6 woman that Ariana threw into the path of despair and pain just for giggles and that's literally why it's only rational to be disgusted with Ariana and her track record way more. She hurt more people, he's gonna end up being one of them.

[@Mila-cq4tn]

And she participated, she's also partly to blame

[@Zombie_Trooper]

I can confirm this theory on 2 fronts, the first being its basic psychology. It's the same concept behind how maternal/paternal instincts play into our perception and how "cuteness" can trigger our brain in ways that form positive emotions. The second is on a personal level. I'm a full-grown adult, full-time job, good education, etc, but because I'm a shorter than average person, I'm treated quite differently. Women perceive me as less masculine, older people perceive me as immature because they feel I look younger than I am therefore lack life experience and intellect, and the list goes on. I've done micro studies into how I can make those factors work to my advantage. I pitch up my voice sometimes, and that makes me seem more innocent and approachable to a degree. It sucks being treated like lesser just based on my stature, but it is fascinating to see how that perception plays into my daily life. Sometimes, it does indeed work for me as it does her.

[@MackenzieNerdyEMT]

I'm short and honestly I prefer short guys. I don't judge someone solely on height but if I had two people in front of me, I'd be more attracted to the shorter one. I definitely understand though, being a shorter male would be hard honestly.

[@eIioperlman]

so fucking heartbreaking for lily

[@thatonekidsshow262]

Soooo, as a therapist heres my take....Her father cheated on her mother and left the family for another woman. This obviously had an impact on Ariana , as it would any child. As we become adults we often are subconsciously attracted to partners who fill a void. This is where the whole "daddy issues, mommy issues" came from to explain specific head scratching behaviors in dating. There is also another path that we may take without realizing which looks like us becoming the embodiment of "our parents" relationship, in which we recreate the roles of whatever relationship was modeled for us in our youth. In my eyes it is obvious Ms.Grande does indeed have unresolved issues from her youth when her father abandoned the family and "chose" the other woman over his wife and children. This has led to her either consciously or subconsciously choosing to embody "The other woman". Almost all of her relationships point to a pattern of engaging men in comitted relationships to "choose" her over their significant other. It has become her whole identity at this point. Whether this high of getting guys to choose her over their own families quells whatever trauma she has yet to address or she is just a blatant spoiled brat who has never been told "NO!" Is anyones guess at this point. I am curious if she has ever looked at her homewrecking situations through yhe lense of the significant other who is being abandoned ( sounds like they all are blindsided). The videos I have seen of her she shows absolutely zero remorse ot even a hint of guilt which is shocking. Any person with emotions and feelings has to at least ponder what this is doing yo yhe other people involved. The fact she was in their very shoes as a child being left by her own father for an affair partner, you would think that she would at least have some moral code or grace towards the victims. The repercussions of infidelity in any form is not just family wide,it effects any children involved, friend groups, sometimes even work life if family buisness is involved. Not to mention cheating blows up any future the original couple had planned. Which in turn can negatively effect financial aspects ...retirement plans...homes, Nothing is safe from the fracturing that cheating invokes. Oftentimes there is alot of grief work that involved for the spouses who were left behind as they are left greiving a person they thought they knew and all of the future plans they had in place with this person. To summarize we all have had crappy stuff happen in our youth, that doesnt excuse or give a free pass to then turn around and act in an equally destructive manner to others. Actions good and bad have consequences, it is up to us to decide whether we want to spread kind/helping feelings or to spread hurtful/destructive feelings. Anyone reading this remember to communicate with your partner as it is a key fundamental in success. Also if you come across anyone who acts like Ms. Grande ...get yourself and your family Far far far away.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

Beautiful anAlysis thanks

[@richlisola1]

She’s a narcissist

[@magnus547]

Baby face effect can definitely be a win and make those that have the baby face percieve life differently. My niece who is 15 gets treated differently from her sister, in part, because of her cute "baby face." Though she knows she's got it, she's not experiencing life without it, so she grows accustomed to that treatment. To your video's point, as it fades....people will start to treat you differently. I can't imagine what that can possibly do to that person psychologically, especially since she's never been treated in any other way except as a "cute, innocent" person. Great video!

[@catkin-z8g]

you really are not treating her as cute and innocent but villanizing her.

[@hoobins_seacolors]

I think the fact that it was too because there was a small child involved As far as I am aware, is the first time she broke a relationship with a baby on it Not saying that the father is not to blame also, ofc, but I agree that Ariana is not a girl's girl

[@Destinyirus278]

Jeanette mccurdy was right about Ariana grande

[@Rain_boot]

It annoys me that in her donut shop apology she doesn't even apologize to the owners. Like are we really going to not focus on the part where she licked food she didn't even buy? Come on. 😭

[@starsparklemonkey3390]

The fact you sound like Jeanette McCurdy just makes your video more savage. 😅

[@Mik-gd9bt]

Personally i feel it's because there's a family involved. Like, w whole baby. Thats fucked up

[@DonnaIRL]

Baby faced adult vs an actual baby face

[@catkin-z8g]

Babies arn't that rare so it wouldn't be difficult to find one where you could blame Ariana for stealing the father. Just a matter of time till somone on the same film set gets divorced.

[@shannadupree3030]

As a 4'11 baby faced 30 year old this theory is so true. I rarely got in trouble in school and even now i get babied which I hate

[@awroolie]

i know this video is mainly focused on her cheating (and it's a great video, btw), but her fans have also defended her race-cosplaying for just as long. the amount of excuses people STILL pull out of their asses for her brownfishing, blackfishing, asianfishing, etc. are astounding. she even had a blaccent during her "i'm standing next to nicki minaj and somehow have darker skin than her" era, and she got away with it.

[@cIoudbank]

people like Ariana are psychic vampires, they insecure in their bodies and dont understand how to handle their trauma, so instead of looking inwards they need to survive off external things- they suck the life force out of anyone or anything that follows them, sometimes they go out of their way to find new prey, and some people are easier to drain than others. as for the baby thing, thats an extremely common problem modern women face, they almost always have daddy issues or were abused by some older man when they were kids, so they get stuck in that phase of their life and never really grow up, they literally cant live without the attention of a man, and/or feel that they are in competition with other women.

[@melissaanthonyxb2730]

I would say it's also the fact that she never actually completely adresses any of her scandals. She just chooses silence and people eventually loose interest.

[@whatevereyewant]

I’ve never felt manipulated. People who are CELEBRITIES and not just famous mostly have something fucked up about them.

[@marticiapulp]

I've known her from the Victorious time, ever since she was always mimicking the Cat's character. Talking in baby voice, making that cute little frown face, controlling her looks obsessively. She always made sure her worse side profile isn't recorded. Her behaviour was always scripted. That was what made me cringe about her persona. She wasn't acting like a human. Everyone knew that she is so little and cute with her hoodies being always oversize, her laugh was like straight out of a cartoon - the "hee- heee" How could this person be manipulative then? Well, the whole look was a manipulative thing, so people justified it lol.

[@jasmintea8825]

I listender to her latest album „eternal sunshine“ and I was shocked, genuinely how are people not seeing through this

[@Faeriesephone]

Also can we talk about how her voice went from like mimicking a black woman to sounding like a well spoken white woman? 😭

[@psyche5751]

fr i noticed this the difference is so crazy its a complete switch up ...

[@queenofpunt]

Wdym well spoken?

[@diannthus]

The way everyone went along with her new "era" made me genuinely mad. She's making it seem like her scandal is something that "just happened" to her instead of something she brought upon herself. Gross.

[@AlyssaBotelho]

I honestly think it’s pretty simple: there’s a baby involved this time, and 2 divorces rather than breakups. She does look older now, but it’s because she IS older, and the stakes of destroying a relationship are naturally higher. We’ve just finally realized her toxic habits because the stakes were so high this time. That being said, this baby face theory is still fascinating and valid!

[@alaynadawn8943]

love the Nicole Rafiee clips

[@pathetic2399]

It’s the baby face + she’s pretty + the fact that she can sing and they like her music

[@lessismore8533]

AMEN seriously “sing” and “pretty” Will NEVER be cliche enough for ppl to get tired of it…

[@wellthisisinteresting4912]

I’m glad we haven’t stopped talking about this. She can’t just go back to normal.

[@Juandiceplier]

she kind of has tho, she out here at events and advertising the movie with spongebob😭 her songs did well even when she was supposed to be ‘cancelled’ idk if its possible to do anything really

[@lessismore8533]

@@Juandicepliermaybe the movie will flop…

[@Juandiceplier]

@@lessismore8533 maybe but I doubt it just because so many people love wicked

[@vanessaa7602]

​@lessismore8533 it will 😁

[@khfan4life365]

I am a baby faced woman and have been treated as a child because of it. I don’t hate my face, but it’s very jarring and discomforting to see men and women my age treat me like a child because of how my face looks. That said, it’s clear that Ariana uses her cute baby face to get what she wants and make herself look innocent. There’s only backlash because there’s an actual baby involved in this scandal. Ariana deserves as much backlash as Ethan does.

[@ladyreddeath13]

Never liked her. Not just because of her music but because of how mean spirited she acts, and how much of a diva she is. I've waited so long for a Wicked adaptation... And the best person they got for Glinda is her? Are you kidding me? Y'all couldn't get someone who played Glinda onstage? Idc that she "has the voice for it". She's not a good fit.

[@cherry1957]

I don’t wanna sound like an asshole, but I think that for a long time people were afraid to criticize her because of the Manchester attack and Mac’s death. Most people (including myself) had a lot of sympathy for her, so criticizing her around that time would seem insensitive to some. However, she’s a grown ass woman, and there’s no need to baby her. Two things can be true at once: you can have sympathy for her and her trauma AND hold her accountable for her ignorant and flat out nasty behavior. This is coming from someone who likes her music btw. Love her as artist, but from what we’ve seen on a personal level, she seems pretty calculated and entitled.

[@erhtsee]

But why have sympathy for a woman that dated someone else (Pete Davidson) not even a full month after breaking up with the alleged person she loved. Sorry she only called off her engagement to Pete [who she flaunted and rubbed their relationship in everyone including Mac's face including his d I c k size and saying she knew she wnated to marry him the moment she first met him at SNL (which was years prior while she was dating Mac)] because Mac died. she felt guilty and knew she sent him over the edge to try and cope with what was going on. He may still be alive had he never dated Arianna and Naya Rivera would still be alive had she not interfered w Big Sean's relationship. Arianna only cared and acted hurt so could gain sympathy. she really milked his death for cash and its almost as disgusting as her licking a donut w her nasty mouth (which we all know where it's been - plenty of d i c k 's that she talks about loving and wanting).

[@leena75]

you are very much right, her fans still exploit mac in their posts and still try to justify her behavior this way

[@enternalmoonlight]

All we know of her personally are from tabpoids that keep on being inconsistent with their stories.

[@prettyrat.]

@@lessismore8533 No it is not. Can we stop doing this? Gaslighting is a very specific term - and it only applies when somebody is trying to convince you that you are insane. Not insane in the ‘you dk what ur talking abt 🤬🤬’ way, but genuinely trying to make you think you that you need medical treatment or some shit. Someone just going “no you’re wrong” and then trying to convince you of things that are untrue is literally just called *lying.* Defending an asshole celebrity is called *defending an asshole celebrity.* Ariana’s fans are *lying* to *defend an asshole celebrity.* They are not gaslighting non-fans en masse.

[@friendlydark]

she’s done bad things for years now. i stopped being a fan when she threw mac under the bus. and the audacity for everyone to call them soulmates now? lol.

[@KaiAstraStylist]

I think it’s also hard to see her as an innocent child when theres a literal baby that just had his homelife messed up by her. I think in this situation ethan is also being held accountable for cheating too, but on a lower scale because he’s not as famous as her

[@thaabstrakt]

The parasocial relationship folks have with celebrities is the real issue. Look up any old stars Wikipedia, they were all despicable because people, humans, are imperfect and flawed. The problem is that we know too much about the day to day lives of everyone. We need less access to these people. These are all personal issues getting magnified in the all consuming quest for content. Investigate journalism into these peoples or anyones personal life for non criminal issues is ridiculous.

[@laylascott6096]

Not only that but these artists are all owned by their labels. So much “news” is PR or planned controversies

[@katiemartin6991]

⬆️ found Ariana Grande

[@lessismore8533]

@@katiemartin6991umm the comment above you isn’t Ariana. That’s very rude of you. If anything you’re probably Ariana…

[@sickkirby]

Fr, I have a gay boyfriend obsessed with her. I couldn't even start to discuss this theme when he turned aggressive and very passionate about defending her. I love my boyfriend, but sadly he actively participates in this toxic behavior that her fans take online.

[@FaiaHalo]

"Gay boyfriend?" LMAO aren't you gay? Weird phrasing thetr

[@aylie1103]

I like her music, I've been to her concerts. I don't follow her closely, but this rubs me the wrong way where IDK if I'd go to a concert again. I'm glad you acknowledged the doc because it sure gives a lot of context to her. I'm no expert but it seems like this is a learned behavior from her teenage Nick days, if that quote from Jennette McCurdy (I think it was her) about Ariana and Dan is true (allegedly). It's like she was taught/manipulated to use her looks and youth to get what she wants and have a false sense of power over people. Which is so sad and wrong since she was a child. People generally continue their methods of manipulation from what they learned as a child to continue getting what they want. Idk, Donna, whole thing is sad, my heart goes out to Lilly and her baby. Thank-you for this doc and for all that you do, Donna!

[@lessismore8533]

Yup. My mom has 4 kids and I’m the 2nd born. The youngest used methods to get what he wanted since he was like 5. My mom was the easiest on him which is why he got away with the most behavior. He took ADVANTAGE of that and even now in his freaking MID 20s he still uses the SAME tactics. He knows my mom will never do anything to him….

[@AngelCaroline9]

@@lessismore8533 can relate to a tee

[@lexipitts3028]

I think she puts spells on her fans… she always claims to be a witch… her fans think she’s everything but who she actually is…. And they excuse her every wrong doing… it’s actually pretty sick 🤢

[@3rdhalo]

She is into occult right now and bragged about using tarot

[@michaelshjohnson]

I've been told I have a baby face and this may just be anecdotal, but I do notice a change in how people treat me once I grew my beard out extra bushy

[@gluedup.4291]

This reminds me of the contast of how people treat Kim to her. Anything Kim does they hate her for it, they like it when her child gives her a hard time. But with Ariana they treat her well and seem to forget the things she's done and throw it off as an accident or something personal of hers.