How Broken Is My Jaguar F-Type (VERY)

How Broken Is My Jaguar F-Type (VERY) | Part 2

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Thanks for all the support recently, a video a week is going to continue now! Don't forget I am on instagram posting useless information.
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@wraptorcustoms 2 ай бұрын

The injectors do seize in the cylinder head. There is a VERY thin part of the injector that snapped when attempted to be extracted from the engine even with the correct puller. The good news is I have found a way to extract them even if they snap (using some of our in-house fabrication). Thus reducing the additional 15+ Hrs needed to extract by removing the cylinder head. We have a PAIR of headgaskets to do on a V6 F type this month, we quoted £4000+ vat including 6 new injectors and timing chain set. Hope this helps and is of interest for those who may find themselves in this situation one day. Dudley - Wraptor

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Great insight Dudley - Will drop you an email soon!

@wraptorcustoms 2 ай бұрын

@@tootalltodrive thank you 🤝 you're welcome anytime 👍

@matthewlange8616 2 ай бұрын

My understanding is the injectors seizing in the cylinder heads is due to corrosion from water ingress. This is most common on the V6 2WD cars with the open 'mesh grille' vents on the bonnet. They effectively let water pool around the injectors causing corrosion. I have the blade type vents on mine which I understand make this slightly less of an issue. AWD cars have the vents in a different place so it is not a problem.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

@@matthewlange8616 yeah heard this before didn’t realise this would impact me

@jimbandit1250sa 2 ай бұрын

I think this is poor service a good mechanic should have this sorted within 2 weeks also keeping you updated weekly

@BoSSLeVeLs 2 ай бұрын

Can I just give you a big virtual hug for being so calm Id be losing my shit with JLR over this And I stupidly renewed my warranty like you

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Haha, the hug is appreciated 😂 I work in a customer facing role, and annoyingly disgruntled customers usually get the biggest discount, but I just don’t want to be another pain for someone else.

@thekb36 2 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear about your continued woes! On the aftermarket warranty point you raised I bought my P300 in Santorini Black a couple of months ago from an independent dealer. I managed to get a 3 year aftermarket warranty for around £700 from Warranty solutions group. Haven't had to use it yet but it seems a good deal vs the JLR extended warranty. I've already dealt with Jaguar Oxford in my ownership after my car was spamming me with low battery warnings even though I'd tested the battery and everything was perfectly fine. Rang them up to ask what could be going on and they offered me a free battery check and BMS reset which fixed the issue. In my dealings with them I thought they were really good and felt they went extra mile to help me even though I wasn't paying them a penny!

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah aftermarket warranties do seem to have their benefits not only being less in cost but also still covering the problems. Oxford themselves have been great and the initial problems didn’t happen with Oxford so no blame their, although the recent issues aren’t great… 😂

@Blackhawk7117 2 ай бұрын

I would only use E5 fuel in these engines. According to my Jaguar specialist they have seen far fewer direct injector failures on cars that are run on super unleaded than cars that are run on E10. Secondly, at every service a good idea is to add a fuel additive such as Tunap 974 Injector Direct Protection and also a fuel injector cleaner such as 979 Tunap Injector Cleaner to help prevent sticking injectors.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

I miss the days where I could just fill up my car and not have to overthink 😂 I get what you mean though

@johnsamson-snell9558 2 ай бұрын

Right, I’ve had 3 F-Types so far, all 3 ltr V6’s. I think they are a fabulous car you one has to understand what can or will go wrong with them over time. The injector stuck in issue is down to a design fault whereby water enters the engine bay via the open vents in the top of the bonnet, puddles around the injector causing them to rust in place. Now it is possible to remove these using lots of penetrating fluid and not forcing it. A heavy handed spanner monkey will wring the injector off but that shouldn’t be your problem if it’s done in a main dealer as they know about this design fault. The other 2 things to be aware of is the infamous Y coolant pipe under the supercharger that is made of plastic and will fail. That involves removing the supercharger itself which sits on top of the engine. Now these are made of aluminium and often “weld” themselves to the engine but good specialists will know how to remove them carefully. Whilst the supercharger is off change the coupling and the water pump. It makes sense because these will need doing some time. Finally service the gearbox and rear differential. If you don’t that will lead to expensive issues. BUT…. Talk to your finance company. The law states that if you have financed the care with a loan/finance of more than 50% then you can return it to the seller as being not fit for purpose. Don’t talk to Jaguar but do talk to the finance company. Given your story they will almost certainly side with you, arrange to have the car collected then disposed of (almost certainly at auction) they will reimburse you and sent the bill for the losses to the seller. This sounds brutal but it’s the only good reason I can see for buying a car on finance. Let me know how you get on please. John

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Interesting about the finance bit especially, might give them a call. Problems is you can’t beat an F-Type for the money these days - even the new R575 is approx. £60,000 and you can’t get the same quality, comfort and performance from anything else in my view. So I would probably end up in a Jag again 😂

@johnsamson-snell9558 2 ай бұрын

Exactly! That’s why I’ve had 3 so far and probably I’m getting another one, a hardtop because my wife now mostly drives the convertible.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

@@johnsamson-snell9558Will start some shopping as haven’t tried certain cars

@jimbandit1250sa 2 ай бұрын

Definitely get finance company involved it’s there car😉

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

@@jimbandit1250sa haha! Very true. Just like the bank own my house too 😉

@wayneoriordan6749 2 ай бұрын

Basically it's not dealer fault you brought a car that's prone to this issue ive done a few off these now,they are so common it's also a extremely involved job but you are right about using a specialist it is a weeks work I had one snap on a range rover last yr

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Ah okay, that’s good to know. So you think once repaired it shouldn’t happen again? 👀

@timhb 2 ай бұрын

Just want to say thanks mate for your video. Selfishly my F-Pace & F-Type warranties are both coming up for renewal soon, so your point on 3rd party warranty as an alternative option is a good one.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah I have been doing some research recently and reached out to a few I like, to try and create some content for them.

@JWL-UK 2 ай бұрын

Stuck injectors is a well documented issue. I got a 2018 V6 and would not own one without having a decent diagnostic equipment, a 3rd party warranty and becoming member of the UK F-type forum. If you got an injector error code, first thing you need to do is to run a bottle BG44K injector cleaner added to Shell VPower (the only fuel people should use with the F-type). If that doesn't take care of the issue, I'd seek help from a specialist with the injector pull toolkit which can be seen in several videos here. In your situation however, I'd have all 6 injectors replaced because it just makes sense.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

It’s with JLR so out of my hands hopefully they do the best to get it to better than it was

@JWL-UK 2 ай бұрын

@@tootalltodrive going by what you described in your video they're ill-equipped and will submit the engine to an open heart surgery as a result. At this point, replacing all injectors would be the most sensible thing to do. Imagine if they put it all back together and another injector fails in a month's time? Nevermind the cost, it's future and further downtime that I'd be thinking about.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

@@JWL-UK yeah that would be very frustrating

@stevesmith1080p 2 ай бұрын

Injectors can be sorted for a fraction of what you've been quoted, I know a guy in Derby who fixed mine (at mates rates) for £1600. I sourced the Injectors myself due to Jaguar having their own labelled version of Bosch injectors and selling them at £300 per unit. I just went for the Bosch ones at about £80 each (all in it cost me about £2100). Happy to chat about this if you're interested.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, as I am hoping 🤞 that Jag will cover all costs in this case - I have left it with them. However, if I am covering then I might be doing some googling.

@AndyK.1 2 ай бұрын

Speclists are also very busy. I think you did the correct thing getting Jag warranty. Myself I would have got jag HQ involved much earlier, even if it just to get it on record early on. They can sometimes speed up parts too

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Would say next time, but hopefully there isn’t a next time…

@ashleylee5445 2 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t have gone direct to Jag. But you had the warranty … Wraptor would have been worth the travel. Most of the issues you quoted last video were all easy fixes. I had the same issue with mine re the injector. Loss of power on the power & loads of blue smoke. But these things do happen to a lot of cars. Anyway good luck. I’d pull the car out of the main dealership and cut my losses if possible….

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Going to leave it with the dealer now, been over 3 months and in theory I’m less than 1 month left

@louismochine4756 2 ай бұрын

The thing that interested me here is your car has the same bonnet vents as mine, and in a previous video you mentioned after a lot of rain there was a squeaking noise from engine. If you see my video about this issue the result was no more squeaking so I'd say the noise was related perhaps even the injector.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Not sure it was necessarily rain but yeah could be related..

@AndyK.1 2 ай бұрын

Injectors do get stuck on some cars. There is usually a tool to extract them. There maybe mobile mechanics which can drill them out which saves alot of labour if the engine has to come out. If the head has to come off, then yes obviously you would fit a new headgasket. No one in their right mind would reuse an old one. It's a ~£25 part. They will need new headbolts too. I don't think you will have all new parts, just a new headgasket, coolant, oil etc.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Thanks, I have no idea 🤷🏻‍♂️ Should probably start learning a bit more about what is going on

@malcolmrobson7996 2 ай бұрын

It appears you will be having some interesting conversations with Jaguar in the near future. Best of luck.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@ChrisFEJackson 2 ай бұрын

Hi Will, sorry to hear of the continued woe. Firstly, faults can happen at any time, if the injector failed post service and other work undertaken then it is what it is. Jaguar stating that the injectors can snap upon removal and it's down to the design, is not necessarily 'their' fault but one which could be construed as your choice of buying such a car with inherent design flaws? A bit open for discussion I agree but I am looking on as a 3rd party. In all brutal honesty also, I would not have offered the sale of the car at this juncture you have possibly left yourself wide open for more abuse as they appear to have the upper hand and may add to the costs to consolidate their position. Not saying they would but think they will stick with their costs. As for the warranted side of things, a known issue for such happenings you would think be covered under warranty, but check the small print as known faults are not covered simply because for the amount of work involved they would not make any money out of warranted claims....catch my drift? My feelings are that for the length of time they have had the car (they have given you a courtesy car, there is a cost implication of this too which they will factor in) have they done everything under the contract? if so they may stick to their guns but may sway a little on final cost but I feel as if you will be paying the bulk of it. Wishing you all the best for the outcome and it is so disheartening to hear for such a great car and person too! Cheers, Chris.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Appreciate it Chris! Time will tell what the cost is for me, and I have dealt with one individual at JLR Oxford who has been very good and hoping they can pull through on making sure everything doesn’t land on my plate when the cost is due.

@ChrisFEJackson 2 ай бұрын

@@tootalltodrive Good lad, fingers crossed.

@NomadJRG 2 ай бұрын

F types don't tend to have catestrophic engine failures so you would have probably been better off just putting the warranty money in a pot and visiting a specialist when an issue arises. You would have been back on the road again in a week or two!

@AndyK.1 2 ай бұрын

All the F engines have worrying issues than can scrap the engine. The V6 is the worst. The fact that things have gone wrong seams to say warranty was a good idea, as long as they cover the bulk of the costs

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

I think the advantage with a specialist would be that the time to get the car back. Maybe I will get in touch with one, to get an idea of what the process would have been like.

@vector409 2 ай бұрын

i wouldn't bother with any warranty ... just have a great specialist to use warranties seem to be a major minefield and all out war with providers

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah I might have do some research to find a good 3rd party one if it exists

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

@@radiobits3007 yeah the grey areas is difficult… because you don’t know them until something happens

@ianjsallen100 2 ай бұрын

My sympathy to you my friend ,I follow you and other f-type, KZbinrs, I have a jaguar but Not a f-type,but would love one ,I have heard they do have a folt with water Entering through the bonnet vents , but I find with jaguar they tend to, no of the faults, But do nothing about it . As with the jaguar 20d engine ,as timing chain (guide) issues.they do nothing about it . Plus labour charge is £200 ph + shocking. Hope it all goes well for you my friend.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Cheers dude, thanks for the support!

@TheSps24 2 ай бұрын

At the end of the day the conjecture lies in the wording of the warranty contract. As consumers we would expect an engine malfunction to be covered. Some posters have mentioned the word "inherent" in their comments, seems to me that is an admittance of design fault. Fellow old timers will remember Ford's OHC units in their Capris. This being the case it should be covered in the warranty, this is why we buy a warranty! A couple of points though. JLR do appear to have a shoddy reputation for customer satisfaction, I highlight your case (which is just ridiculous) and the customer service at the Derby showrooms when floods massacred a complete fleet of cars to which they just washed their hands of. Since retiring I have wrestled with buying a new F-Type but to be honest, I just don't trust the brand. Cars like these can be temperamental so I would (naively) want the dealer on my side and not having to potentially fork out thousands for repairs. After all, these cars don't see that much road use. So, good luck with the bills the dealer are wafting under your nose, I do feel however that some kind of legal advice would be beneficial...

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

I’m hoping the dealer, Jaguar or the original dealer will be covering cost but time will tell…

@user-m-q9f 2 ай бұрын

That's why they called main (stealership) 😂

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah heard this a few times now

@63jayking 2 ай бұрын

Hi mate, I had the same problem on my F type R.. 3 got stuck in which Jaguar had to get a “specialist” to come and fit it (which was about £200 per injector) luckily, they managed to get it solved but did say this could literally happen with the other injectors. £1.6K later I got the car back and sold it. I know all cars can go wrong but this is a big problem with them and has put me off owning one. JLR couldn’t confirm why this was happening which is a worrying problem. Great cars but it’s a massive headache to deal with and was without a car for one month. Hope you get it sorted mate.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah unsure if I want to sell afterwards, if / when I get it back

@63jayking 2 ай бұрын

@@tootalltodrive yeh will keep an eye out for any more videos! I too didn’t have my f type for the summer as it happened last July so I feel your pain haha. Good luck

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

@@63jayking thanks dude, appreciate it!

@63jayking 2 ай бұрын

@@tootalltodrive nice one bro 👊

@minimeee04 2 ай бұрын

The good old 5 litre V8 is a nightmare for injector issues ive seen so many video`s with this Engine the same engine is in the SVR Range Rover and they are not the best after 50k miles i wouldnt touch one. I have a weekend car a Jag XKR 4.2 bullet proof engine and smiles of fun.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Enjoy it!

@jeremyhealy6327 2 ай бұрын

i had the same problem with my f type , there is apparently a special tool that can remove the injector , it cost me 2grand and took 1 week to fix

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah the cost of £2,000 is scary but car back in a week is a massive plus compared to 4 months

@jimmymifsud8353 2 ай бұрын

Is this the problem thats caused by the position of the bonnet vents? Water gets to the injectors via the vent thats why they moved them on later models

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Don’t think so, not too sure what has brought all of this on, will be a question soon.

@den-tech-mods 2 ай бұрын

If you remove the head the injector will just pop out,they don't need to send it out, sadly you have a inexperienced tech working on your car , I can get stuck injectors out with a strap in 22mins ,you just have to have your own method that works for you

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

I have waiting 3 months what is one more 🫣😂

@stuartkennedy4202 2 ай бұрын

Have you not already asked if they are covering the cost? I hope it’s under warranty but I doubt service department will take responsibility.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

I haven’t got anything in writing yet, so hoping it is something I won’t be covering

@simonr6165 2 ай бұрын

@@tootalltodrive I think you need to ask them to confirm with the Jaguar Warranty team that you won't be asked to pay for the repair. Not sure how you know the costs as they could argue they are keeping you in the loop. At this stage I would suggest you should be in very close/ regular contact with the After Sales Director at the dealership, as this is the only way your car will be given priority over other regular service work jobs and they will keep kicking the can down the road. Good luck.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

@@simonr6165 thanks, I have asked for quotes so far and presumed that warranty will cover all. I think I was at the back of the queue but hoping I am now at the front

@minimeee04 2 ай бұрын

I'm surprised Jaguar are still in business they dont make any cars at the minute apart from F pace there is no investment in the company until there new Electric range comes in next year.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah and not to mention that going / investing in 100% electric is a mistake

@TheMase60 2 ай бұрын

Main dealers or stealers are not interested in big jobs.Only interested in doing oil changes.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah does potentially appear like that in my view…

@UKDagnar 2 ай бұрын

Buy a Jag, buy problems. It's why they should always be owned by other people so you never have to suffer the problems they all come with :) Just enjoy the view of the beautiful F Type as you pass it in the layby or on the hard shoulder.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

😂😂

@shaking6360 2 ай бұрын

So the warranty will cover 75% of the costs..., or will it be even 90%?

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Don’t know yet… hoping 100% 🤞

@garymorris801 2 ай бұрын

very good

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

The video, or the Jaguar being broken… 😂

@thomasbell6655 2 ай бұрын

Slightly off topic......only yesterday my next door neighbour had the AA out fixing a problem with their 23 plate Range Rover.......:(

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

This is the other problem, I want a big car as a daily and a 2020 Range Rover with low miles is about 35,000. Seems like a great price but can’t have two cars breaking on me…

@2_wheel_rob 2 ай бұрын

You should be in touch with JLR to refund you the 4 months PCP payments!

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

That would be good!

@thomasbell6655 2 ай бұрын

Supercharger and head removal everytime you get a stuck injector, which on most other cars should be a 20 minute job is seriously putting me off buying one of these car and the jaguar service doesn't enquire confidence........I think I'll pass on one off these........

@maz500 2 ай бұрын

Get the 300 model which has a Turbo instead, as well as a normal dipstick, as well as no issues with the injector issues and the timing chain guide failures is only on the diesels (which the F-Type never got)

@AndyK.1 2 ай бұрын

@@maz500 The 300 models are certainly quick. A different driving (throttle) experience, but great with AWD. Sadly there have been some petrol 300 chain failures (pre 2020). The chain setup is at the rear of engine, so preventative maintenance is very costly (engine or gearbox out)

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Third party warranty should cover the big costs I would have thought. Hopefully mine is all covered.

@Northern-drone 2 ай бұрын

@@maz500the 2.0 are way more reliable I agree, but the sound of the V6 and V8 are one of the main reason ppl buy an ftype. I’ve owned the V6 and had proper owner anxiety regarding the issues, and wondered myself wether my next one would be the 2.0

@DigitalJunior2003 2 ай бұрын

I would be claiming for loss of enjoyment and depreciation losses.

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah not a bad shout, not sure what insurance company will pay out for loss of enjoyment though 😂

@DigitalJunior2003 2 ай бұрын

@@tootalltodrive when my RRS was in for repairs I claimed and got paid out by JLR direct I think after complaining to the JLR executive customer services team

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

@@DigitalJunior2003 Okay, I will do this.

@karltrotman144 2 ай бұрын

If your selling it, don’t bother to get the head gasket done

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah… but I want to make sure the next owner has a perfect car, so might as well keep going with it all..

@thomasbell6655 2 ай бұрын

Surely this repair just about makes this car a write off?

@AndyK.1 2 ай бұрын

It's a third of the cars value I guess? So no.

@thomasbell6655 2 ай бұрын

True.....

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

What Andy said, but haven’t spoken to the finance company so might give them a shout

@tonyroberts1959 2 ай бұрын

I was thinking of getting a brand new f type but listening to your nightmare i wont bother .what a useless dealer cheltenham jaguar turned out to be i would shout it from the roof tops what a disgrace

@tootalltodrive 2 ай бұрын

Yeah wasn’t impressed, but I think Oxford and Cheltenham are owned / managed by the same people, but I will not be communicating with anyone from Cheltenham only Oxford, going forwards.