HOW BROKEN IS VINTAGE MTG? UB TINKER vs HOGAAK VINE- PLAY TO WIN GAMEPLAY

This week Cam and Dylan are taking a short break from cEDH to play some Vintage decks!
Don't fear, we will be returning with cEDH content next week!
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[@shaunbarber2325]

Timewalk is basically a timewalk. Incredible

[@SuperFlamingTomato]

“You mean my worst nightmare - a four five” Is quite possibly the funniest thing to ever come from this channel.

[@mustardmushroom4390]

I like how it’s Tinker vs Hogaak and none of them saw play 😂 felt more like Bazaar vs Sheoldred

[@DeathSpeach]

Hogaak showed up for one game

[@foggyparadigm4416]

I don't even play Vintage and these games were SICK. Immediately made me want to proxy a deck and try it out.

[@StanleyKuo184]

I proxied a few vintage decks for my brother and me to play. Trouble is he has zero interest in the format lol. At least I didn't spend much on those cards.

[@whereideasgotodie2267]

Those Rootwallas made more appearances than Hogaak did lol But great Vintage gameplay. Nice to see more formats and it's nice to have the regular play comments on your own plays. Hope to see more of these formats in the future

[@IamActuallyLvL1]

Not really a matchup where Hogaak shines tbf

[@vfc_gucci_panda]

@@IamActuallyLvL1saga gaming gamer spotted love da content ❤️

[@bensteinhauser784]

I like how Hogaak was supposed to be this goofy little commander card and then it snapped Modern over its knee.

[@timothydalton2388]

hogaak was released in MH1, it was intended for modern they just didnt playtest as much as they needed to, i think they thought it would be a cool late game closer as opposed to just coming out turn 2 or so and winning

[@castanus4343]

Hogaak was released for Modern. Idk what are you taking about xD😂

[@bensteinhauser784]

@@timothydalton2388 I know it was released in MH1, but I'm pretty sure it was designed for commander. Most of the pushed moderns cards for the set featured no cost to cast (FoN, FoV), cheap modal abilities (W6, archmage's, Kaya's Guile) or did something on etb (ice fang). Notably, Urza and Yawgmoth break the mold on this, but it's pretty clear that they were designed to be attractive in multiple formats.

[@crawdaddy2004]

@@castanus4343Released in MH1, yes. But like all MtG products nowadays, the target market is actually Commander players. Golos was released in a Standard-legal set. Did WotC only intend it for Constructed formats? Smothering Tithe was released in a Standard-legal set. Do you think it was intended for Standard? Garth One-Eye and Chatterfang were printed in MH2. Do you really think they were printed with Modern in mind?

[@TheMattmatic]

@@castanus4343Hogaak was designed with commmander in mind. Just like Omnath, Locus of Creation, another plague of constructed formats (especially Standard)

[@6slade]

Seeing you guys play vintage is pretty sweet, and we did it, we got to see a time walk

[@nickhaight2557]

That closing song was majestic. Loved the gameplay. Would love to see some Canadian Highlander.

[@Hellcreature36]

Love seeing some vintage content! Little Bolas' Citadel tip for Cam at 8:25 - take a peek on top of the deck just in case there's a counterspell there.

[@ObjectivelynOtOptimized]

found you guys from this vintage vid. Great stuff! the cEDH is cool but would also love to see more of this or maybe some canlander... :)

[@alejandrotoro7725]

Its funny how a lot of strategies in Vintage/legacy kind of mirror strategies in CEDH but not all of them. I cant think of a mirror to Jewel shops or Hogaak/bazar in CEDH. Also I love the content, keep up the awesome work!

[@raymakerscalisthenics660]

I'd say the closest for hogaak would be old stickfingers, and for the storm would be k'rrik.

[@cfelton2nd]

most CEDh combos originate from Vintage/legacy@@raymakerscalisthenics660

[@ShadowWasntHere8433]

That cause the cards that make those decks arent commander legal

[@filipefranca5866]

Well the singleton format kinda makes it hard to build a bazzar of bagda deck in commander. Or any other competitive vintage deck. Also imagine comander with time vault? Tassa's oracle would be childs play

[@laytonjr6601]

A deck that can use bagdad effectively is terrible if you don't have bagdad, so in a 100 cards singleton format what are you gonna do?

[@alenhasanic2339]

This is fucking amazing. cedh and vintage all in one channel!!!!!??????? Hell yeah!

[@laneorlaine]

Would love to see more 1v1 content in vintage, legacy and modern

[@Googleflax]

I love how the Timewalk was effectively just a "2 mana draw 1" this game

[@draytonyork4811]

YESS, PLAY TO WIN 1V1

[@ljlk8583]

2:23 did Cam just untap his library?

[@Flip4Crypt]

That's vintage babeee

[@music00soba]

@10:55 you definitely cast the mbt there but you know that he has a deterministic win with access to vamp tutor in the graveyard and a senseis top in play so most players would just scoop to the yawg will

[@ondrejbronec837]

3:55 - getting a Dark ritual here would leave Cam with enough mana (use it to Yawgmoth’s will, replay the Lotus, mox and the ritual) to still drop the Citadel on T1.

[@TheLeprechaun159]

love the facecams during the game! cool to see different formats pop up on the channel

[@Wesley-mt1sc]

I actually really enjoyed this! Nice to see cards I don’t get to see that often in edh.

[@MrPhantomPC]

The way Richard Garfield intended.

[@IamActuallyLvL1]

Likely that in g3 where u get a sheoldred u had a lethal yawg will storm t1 kill

[@IamActuallyLvL1]

Mox mox lotus beseech beseech will mox mox lotus beseech tendrils

[@IamActuallyLvL1]

Additional answers to questions posed: Sideboarding I actually dont really like leyline at all vs hogaak. Its a deck that can operate outside the yard very well. from gaak side id bring in 4 fov 3 mbt 2 endurance. From beseech side im bringing in snuff out for ouphe, delgue, tab, sheo, portal, needle, dismember. The way i look at it the gaak either pressures fast with an above average hand or stops beseech with fov/ouphe/endurance. From the beseech side you are always super favored and u just dont want to die to an ouphe.

[@IamActuallyLvL1]

"Not ment to keep no bazaar hands" actually Hogaak and Cradlevine variants are really fun because u can keep non bazaar hands. Hands with Fov and early ouphes would be keeps in the matchup

[@IamActuallyLvL1]

Overall not bad! Thanks for the content hope to see more in the future

[@matthewbell4897]

The vintage GOAT in the comments, love to see it

[@VariableChange88]

I loved this!!! Do some more formats like legacy as well these are awesome little change of pace

[@jonathanmcgreevy6806]

Love the 1v1.gameplay 🙌 Hopefully see more of it in future

[@Rfariasds]

That was fun!! Btw, at 16:00 you could pump the rootwalla using DRS for lethal

[@cinosaurus]

Glued to the screen! This was such an awesome vid. Love how yall did the sideboard and had the cards out.

[@jokersjacket3174]

Nice this was fun to watch!

[@GigaBoost]

Great video! Love the post game commentary. You earned yourselves a subscriber 🎉

[@nickobree5207]

love you guys playing different formats! sick

[@TheFirstJake]

I love the foray into some 60 card play. I can’t wait for more!

[@SebasDXD]

More 1v1 videos please, you two guys are too good and fun to watch play

[@tomnorland6492]

Great games! looking forward to more!

[@niklasbolz4267]

Nice episode. Pretty cool to see some vintage.

[@dantelamonda8587]

I love vintage, I would love to see you guys to do vintage cube with viewers!!! My buddy has a proxied vintage cube and it’s so fun!

[@James-rf4mp]

I love that you are playing vintage. Incredible.

[@BuleGamer96]

I liked the video, this format is fast and funny, and something different too see. And its more funny watching you guys using cedh cards in a different scenario 😂

[@benso309]

Love this vintage plays.. more vintage thank you

[@xEddyTheGr8x]

That episode was just pure joy to watch! Give me more high power 1v1 formats please!

[@BabelTriumphant]

Some really kickass games

[@nashtrall]

Lovely to see you try other formats ! Will you ever consider trying duel commander (with the banlist used at magiccon Chicago) ?

[@Tehnameless1]

Awesome match! The casted serum powder for sure mattered: could have kept the wasteland, waste the Academy I believe the official 5 game format is 2 main, (up to) 3 sideboard

[@zstormw]

That's how I've seen Playing with Power do their 1v1 games, and I've really enjoyed it. It gives a better chance for each deck to show off it's thing both pre-- and post-board

[@RumpledNutskin]

I love vintage so much! I play it regularly on mtgo, and would love to see one of you play Oath

[@jordancaldwell2208]

I just built an entirely proxies Vintage Cube and drafted it with friends this weekend. SOOO much fun doing busted things or losing to busted cards. 10/10 would recommend.

[@aar7149]

you can also beesech into beesech if you have another artifact into tendrils if you need more storm

[@Jundsac]

Awesome decks, a good showcase of power on a chill channel. I wonder if cEDH 1v1's would be good content?

[@morof_r]

Super nice video!

[@salvation122]

This might be the first time I've ever seen Tolarian Academy hit the board and not have its controller immediately break the game in half

[@zacw8869]

Love the vintage! Pleases my tiktok brain to see a new game every minute. Hope you guys play more stuff like this!

[@realfunnydoge3434]

would love to see this more

[@TheAlmightyGoiter]

So sick to see some 1v1 games. You guys should try Canadian Highlander! It's great and I think you would like it.

[@Foede]

Yeah! 1vs1 content! letsgooooooo I would love to see more formats being played, specially stuff like legacy, vintage, or even two head giant, since Magic can be such a diverse game.

[@mopanda81]

time walk is legal but when you're machinegunning your hands at each other sometimes it's just a cantrip

[@Lumautis]

I have never watched vintage but wow. Vintage is nuts when you have all moxen and lotus available

[@marowakcity3727]

I would love to see more vintage but next time maybe pit 2 blue decks against each other? I always love watching blue mirrors in eternal formats, the play patterns that come out of it are so interesting and it feels like absolute peak magic to me

[@catkingda2919]

I am pretty sure two moxes, lotus and Beseech is a turn one win(with or without Yawgmoth's Will in your hand). Beseech for Bessech float an extra mana sac the other mox cast dark ritual. Cast Yowgmoths's Will from hand leave one black mana in the pool. Lotus, mox, mox, dark ritual, beseech(from graveyard) for beseech for beseech for Tendrils of Agony. The storm is definitely enough to kill your opponent. If your opponent has a counter spell, the Sheoldred will be countered as well.

[@basvopheusden]

In the first game where Cam played beseech, what was in his hand? I think I saw a yawgmoth's will which shuts off that line, but could you have gone for tinker into bolas citadel? Idk if it's enough, but you have a land drop left so that's nice 🙂

[@michaelatbarnett]

Vintage Magic? Appreciating seeing some powerful magic 1 v 1 when I don't often get to see it

[@RaijQuit]

Vintage is so wild and fun, love these games

[@autopsipath]

These games were fun but also demonstrated why the singleton vintage formats like auslander and canlander more fun to build and play.

[@DieSpielhoelle]

it speaks for Rarrans mental toughness for not showing signs of his PTSD for the second card. ;)

[@nicholasbower17]

That Patreon coming in big, boys got power now 😮 (Ik proxies but dayng full time with benefits)

[@goldenarmour7975]

Gives me canadian highlander vibes. Would love to see that format next time.

[@someguy1251]

Sick ass vid guys, loved that shit

[@ComedIanMTG]

This was honestly super sick to watch, Love seeing the crazy stuff I vintage. Wish it was as proxy-friendly as cEDH

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

most of the vintage players i have played with are pro proxy. vintage paved the way for proxies in cedh. they've been doing 10-20 proxies allowed in tournaments for years. Just gotta get them to fully commit to all proxy haha

[@ComedIanMTG]

@@PlaytoWinMTG oh cool! Maybe I'm working off of outdated info. I had heard the large events were still pretty unfriendly to them

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

I think it depends. I have always seen vintage tournaments allow 10-15 proxies, which before vintage I hadn't seen any formats allow. but perhaps for some of the BIG tournaments they are not allowed. I agree it is not as proxy friendly as cedh, but maybe that can change!

[@cheeese1]

This is what I wanna see the most just see the fast broken stuff is awsome

[@petereremeev]

4:04 you can grab tinker just as an option

[@bensawmiller3005]

If you really think about it, time walk is basically a time walk

[@badfelix007]

Love vintage content

[@marcellosalis5063]

I believe a manifold is a 3d mesh with two sides and one border.

[@Clemsonalumnus]

More Vintage, please. Vintage is its own format and meta that’s constantly changing. You can legit play some wonky decks that go from jokes to meta crushing, like Food Chain Goblins, which has the advantage of being agro, hating artifacts heavily, and combining your win on T1 if not interfered with.

[@nicklilium6523]

As an ignorant about vintage I was expecting some "I kill you before you draw" tipe of game, actually pretty cool decks

[@Dikarika]

Hell yeah some 1v1. Can y'all try some canlander? I love singleton formats. 😅

[@johnmarcellino5034]

please more vintage!!

[@superyahoo1822]

you could have used deathrite to produce red mana by exiling your bazaar in your graveyard and used it to pump blazing rootwalla for lethal

[@DarthCinnabon]

Never really noticed that we pronounce "manifold" as "manafold." They are incredibly similar if you arent saying it slowly

[@jefftigers103]

Crazy how Sheoldred pretty much beat a $45,000 vintage deck by itself. Still in standard btw

[@Fealdad_]

Mind trap was for the sensei divining top

[@IamActuallyLvL1]

VINTAGE!

[@unwucht1529]

"How brocken is vintage?" "Yes!"

[@lincolnlawry9505]

Are you guys prepping for the NY vintage tournament in June?

[@H1V3M1ND1]

Out of curiosity are these proxies or is the flex that unreal

[@kiraselby3790]

I have to admit I'm a little confused by the Force of Vigors in the sideboard. Isn't that pretty much a mandatory 4-of maindeck in Gaak? It and ouphe are your only forms of interaction game 1.

[@oscarperezcame]

Legacy and vintage are just so powerful formats

[@jordancaldwell2208]

Time Walk is basically Time Walk.

[@ThePenitentSquirrel]

Vintage is the only format I would suggest mulliganing very aggressively as your hand needs to be able to do the thing the deck is designed to do by at least turn 3.

[@Xreaperification]

IT'S SUNDAY BOYS

[@DustRodg]

Manafold Key is a good eggcorn.

[@JonBonCell]

I just want more 1v1 the content feels easier to follow but also I just enjoy the side bar and 1 on 1 convo times

[@JonBonCell]

Note: I do mostly watch the vodcasts which is why I like the 1 on 1 conversations a lot they are just funny peoples!!!

[@Gaiametris]

dont hold the mindbreak trap, top will draw a force on the way to cast tendrils.

[@MomirViggwilv]

What music was used for this video?

[@jackpabich763]

Do you guys own all of those cards or are some cards like the power 9 proxied? Regardless, super cool video!

[@andrewpost91]

The power 9 wasn’t printed in modern frames. These are most likely 100% proxy decks. They probably order a ton of proxies for all of their cedh decks Edit: I see that they’re 30th anniversary edition. My bet is still proxy

[@vfc_gucci_panda]

@@andrewpost91they prob own the duals and the cedh staples

[@kinginthenorth1437]

In other videos they've mentioned that they print proxies as needed.

[@lainiwakura3741]

more vintage, legacy or highlander would be cool

[@twi1ightknight]

I heard that a one mana draw three is pretty good

[@logansanchez7998]

Yall should try canlander

[@Gorbgorbenson]

Couldn't dethrite have activated to pump blazing rootwala for the kill game 5?

[@SoulsOnly]

This is why Force of Will is a card.

[@music00soba]

in game 3 if you beseech for tinker you can put a sphinx or citadel into play and just win on the spot no?

[@ara9422]

More vintage!

[@1ntegrator]

Why do you attack with Deathrite Shaman? It can drain for more damage than it can attack for. Might have made the difference in the last game.

[@yoguroutSTH]

Might be wrong here but, in your last attack with the vine, the ouffe and the lizzard, couldnt you just +2+0 the lizzard exiling a land in a graveyard for a red mana?

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

YES good catch