How Civilizations Can Easily Turn Totalitarian

[@karlyohe6379]

Thank you for explaining that hatred isn’t necessarily borne of fear. People who are fearful are easily beaten; people who are motivated by disgust are not.

[@NotRiansLuke]

What's most interesting to me is how, at least in America, the left has taken on the mantle of "motivated by disgust" more than the right. This is why it's okay (in their eyes) to ban anyone and anything they disagree with, which is an early move into totalitarianism. "Oh, Jordan Peterson's comment about Ellen/Ellliot Page was DISGUSTING, therefore we can ban him from Twitter. We don't need disgusting people like that around!"

[@John5209]

Very true!

[@of_the_Word]

Hatred is also (and often) born of love

[@GK-bl4pg]

Agent Smith's interrogation of Morpheus in the first 'Matrix' movie sums this up brilliantly.

[@Inquisitor_Vex]

People controlled by fear are the most dangerous. If you have an argument with a guy and he fears for his life, that guy is much more likely to use deadly force himself.

[@mattcolton6350]

Blows my mind that this quality of lecture is available to ANYONE with access to KZbin!! 🤯

[@dgafbrapman688]

a lesser man would charge for access. With material like this available for free i cannot understand how anyone pays for things like netflix or hulu.

[@dgafbrapman688]

@@TonyStark-rw7en ironic that you name the most totalitarian states in the world

[@dgafbrapman688]

@@user-zy9yg2eu5t stupid people are gonna stupid..

[@johnsagsveen8238]

@@user-zy9yg2eu5t yeah but most the people accusing him of it are idiots

[@anthonybrett]

@@dgafbrapman688 I've often thought that too.

[@katew1113]

crazy how his speeches from years ago come true almost everytime.

[@py_a_thon]

@Master General lol

[@py_a_thon]

@Master General Use your own words. Even your argument from authority failed almost instantly.

[@invictus_They-Them_Nazi_Hunter]

How has it come true

[@nocrtname]

Rudy “truth isn’t truth” Giuliani brings truth to Americans?

[@johnwheeler3071]

When the chips were down Jordan Peterson deffinitely faulted as he did urge people to get the jib jab. Tom Wright former Bishop of Durham also knows better but made the same mistake. Douglas Murray is still caught up in the madness of the crowd by following the government line and slagging off those that have gone on protests.

[@leilaluna7]

It just kind of blows my mind that there are people that are out to get this man. He is so good at helping us think.

[@itzblvckhighlander1576]

it is always so frustrating, even heartbreakig to see, him spreading his knowledge an his thoughts is a true blessing! but no matter how much hate and resentment there is, love and compassion live forever, the way he shares that with so many people is his way of shining light into darkness, helping us to do the same in our own way.

[@likemy]

tells you a lot about our world. Anyone who can really hate this guy has something in themselves worth fearing

[@brushstroke3733]

The things he points out disgusts people with themselves, which they turn against him.

[@MrNuance]

Because they are disgusted with him.

[@deejayimm]

An open mind is much more difficult to control, and it's always about control. Especially when they say it's not.

[@JoeKawano]

8:31 “If you’re a totalitarian believer in Utopia, your own suffering becomes heretical!”

[@cryptoleprechaun5492]

China and its zero covid policies

[@geridannels1701]

Do you know the definition for UTOPIA?

[@ichmich9324]

@@geridannels1701 if you take two opposing people, the ones Utopia will always be the others Dystopia

[@Goinggoinggoneagain]

#utopiaishell

[@niklasmolen4753]

@@ichmich9324 And both systems are a dystopia for everyone.

[@sandyovals]

I'm so used to listening to JP only on audio in my car. It's kinda strange to actually watch a video of him and see him in person. Watching his body language, I never realized how intense he was. He engages so many of the students in his class... Looking them square in the eyes, and not breaking eye contact for much longer than usual. Also his voice, and inflections on words. Everything about his body language screams "take me very, very seriously".

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

One can learn so much from Peterson's lectures.

[@foxskyful]

Tell me what you learned

[@justanothernick3984]

@@foxskyful That he likes order and has distaste for overweight people and people with different non-standardized appearance preferences and wants to become Scar, the negative king. Almost like the hyenas are represented by the people who wants to see the world crumble, or young disenfranchised men.

[@justanothernick3984]

And all his hyenas would ask, why does that make him a Scar-escque person and what of the Antifa, why can't they represent the hyenas? The simple answer would be, JBP is telling other people how to live, and has not one but _two_ books about it. And he is the one hyenas defend. They see him as of higher values, idolizes him whereas the Antifa is a grassroots movement trying to even out the hierarchies by going against strongmen and advocating for diversity and subjectivity (or not telling people how to live their lives). You don't see diversity in the hyenas. Antifa is not representative of the "good guys" but they accept a broader spectrum of people and values.

[@kellyrobinson489]

@@justanothernick3984 They may claim they are advocating for such things but ultimately Antifa will attack anyone with a difference of opinion - no matter , black, white, gay, trans and so on, they support diversity only when that diversity parrots the same narrative as they do. Antifa are ultimately the opposite of what they claim to be - they are the facists. There is a world of diversity amongst those who enjoy Peterson's work not just in race, gender, sexuality but in avenues of thought, people from all walks of life can enjoy his lectures and discussions and then have their own discussions and debates without resorting to violent attacks, screaming , name calling and threats when there is a difference of opinion. So in my opinion - Antifa = hyenas and their scar is Marx/ism

[@foxskyful]

@@justanothernick3984 Funny, is this your opinion or his

[@adelewilson8968]

This is so prescient. Everyone in Canada and the world should watch this.

[@words007]

Exactly why they dont or anybody who makes a case FOR merits of Peterson views because every liberal every democratic party member especially Extreme liberals are exhibiting those traits of HITLER's like hitler's despise for Disgust as JP said and anybody who has anything wrong with them is looked down upon by Nazis same way anybody liberal who has any merit for conservative ideas nowdays is looked down upon like those people that are liberals but still believe in any GOD (im atheist btw) . Arrogancy at its best. Thats why liberals dont even talk about it, dont even want to discuss anything they want FORCED Speech to refer to people to their own made up pronounse. JP saw it all and few people along with him who understands right from the start back in 2016 bill in canada, of whats happening and WHERE THIS IS GOING. if only people resisted against Nazis back in 1910-20. If only. The world makes more sense when your own Brain start getting limitless information. Some brains might collapse but some might come out of it like Jordan Peterson ❤️

[@krth337]

Canadia is the world

[@Roger-fs5yo]

There should be an entire course in ALL high schools teaching the philosophy of Starship Troopers the book.

[@ACTHdan]

@@Roger-fs5yo care to elaborate lol

[@of_the_Word]

This is really basic knowledge like so much that today (especially in the west) has been purposely and specifically left out of education.

[@JamesBond-uz2dm]

" Those who can make you believe absurdities; can make you commit atrocities. " ----- Voltaire

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Those who can make you believe absurdities; can make you commit atrocities." ----- Voltaire" I wish I had a dollar every time someone vomits this onto a youtube comment.

[@johnnastrom9400]

Absurdities like men can give birth.

[@johnnastrom9400]

@@thomasmaughan4798 "I wish I had a dollar every time someone vomits this" -- Why don't you challenge the quote rather than dismissing it in the pseudo-intellectual manner in which you did?

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@johnnastrom9400 "Why don't you challenge the quote rather than dismissing it" It serves no purpose.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@johnnastrom9400 "Why don't you challenge the quote" See your own answer: "the pseudo-intellectual manner" Exactly. Voltaire is credited with something that sounds cool but is actually a non-sequitur. There's no "there" there! But since you asked, let's do it. "Those who can make you believe absurdities" That would be a hypnotist and only with a willing victim. For anyone else, I am not MADE (compelled) to believe an absurdity; I choose it. "can make you commit atrocities" Perhaps. Can I *make* you commit an atrocity? Can we even agree on a definition? Probably not.

[@humrH2360]

The observation to Scar's role in Lion King is fascinatingly accurate of wannabe-rulers, not just because of what is mentioned in this excerpt, but something else about Scar that isn't mentioned in this video: the culmination of Scar's arc. In the movie, Scar's rule ultimately ends up with the Pride Lands being led to ruin, famine, and chaos as he gorges upon its bounty; in contrast to his signature musical sequence where he manages to get the entire clan of hyenas goosestepping in unison. Regardless of artistic license, getting a clan of feral scavenging predators to act in unison makes for some powerful imagery. Yet once Scar gets his position of power, he does nothing useful with it for other people and not even himself. He just continues reaping off the fruits of others' labor. And when his rule is questioned, he reacts violently at the mere notion that he isn't worthy. He is already perfect. Why should anyone else be unhappy? Sounds rather familiar these days, don't it?

[@fatboywins]

I would love a breakdown of the game of thrones, especially varys, and littlefinger.

[@Mika-ph6ku]

Very familiar...

[@cbr274]

More so 4 years ago, but I see your point

[@RiderOfAngmar]

I thought hitler didn’t have an artistic license.

[@Pete_Piper]

@@cbr274 - if this is a reference to Trump then you are wrong. He did more for America and its people than Obama and Biden together.

[@TheRealMrMustache]

Lion King was never the same after I binged JP’s lectures

[@pftburchell5197]

Now that I’ve lived through response to Covid, I completely understand how the Nazis came to power and got away with it. It’s actually really scary. Just how easily people gave in and changed.

[@ShomoGoldburgler]

What's more frightening is it seems, most humans want a ruler, they want to be ruled.

[@ih82r8]

It's even easier now. The Germans were starving then and their money was worthless. We just handed over our rights for a false perception of safety.

[@theonlineanimal6009]

Sad truth

[@JamesWilliams-jf3hd]

But nothing about how Trump and Republicans have behaved? People like you are warped. Have u seen Europe? Australia? Canada? Etc etc are the Nazi’s in power because their societies handled the Pandemic better then us. AND THEY DIDNT TOLERATE ANYTHING. You lucky u in America. Your views are warped.

[@ShomoGoldburgler]

@@JamesWilliams-jf3hd Canada has an authoritarian regime -that's banning handguns -limiting content available to Canadians - declared war on a peaceful protest ( people were hurt) - seized People's bank accounts and vehicles in some case. - media is all bought and paid for by the regime. And inunerous other rights abuses!

[@nickbrennan3389]

"Orderly people are very judgmental "...true

[@mkjyt1]

@@erikmoore1418 Ironyus Ratio'd Maximus

[@Joel-wj9ql]

@@mkjyt1 Ironyception

[@izawaniek2568]

Totalitarianism is hell. Everything Jordan Peterson said here is brilliant and needs serious attention. This is exactly the way it goes from micro to macro structures! God bless you.

[@Michaelm-ij9pn]

Not always.

[@rouxchat6033]

I agree. He breaks this down extremely well.

[@anthonybrett]

@@Michaelm-ij9pn "Not always" Do you have an example of when it didn't?

[@Michaelm-ij9pn]

@@anthonybrett The Romans had a pretty good run for the time.

[@anthonybrett]

@@Michaelm-ij9pn True, I suppose it did. But it still followed a similar pathway, just at a slower pace. Republic to Empire to death.

[@jobidrumkenobi]

This speech aged through the Covid hysteria like a terrifyingly fine wine.

[@theonlineanimal6009]

Yep. The moment they shut down the country. I knew it was gonna be their new political tool

[@DamonHowe7]

I was gonna say when he was talking about the spread of disease “oh, so COVID then.”

[@kauboy9816]

@@DamonHowe7 But what was odd about COVID was the perspective switch. JP mentions that conservatives are generally more disgust sensitive than liberals. Yet it was the liberal groups which pushed strongly for mask mandates, distancing measures, lockdowns, forced vaccinations, and even threats against unvaccinated people on the extreme end. I'm not sure how to make sense of that, and I'd love the Dr's perspective on it. I wonder if it was all due to tribalism. A republican was president and the liberals largely despised him. As a result, they wanted everything to be blamed on that administration. Making life a living hell would seem a good way to have the largest societal impact, and attempt to place the blame squarely at the feet of their opponent. Then put forth a familiar face to run in opposition and get their target out of office. Just spit-balling... but I wonder if high anxiety political games overrode base personality traits and rewired us a bit as a result.

[@ultrafly100]

@@kauboy9816 I think it comes down to two factors - first, liberals are driven largely by a harm/fairness ethical model, which in Big 5 terms translates to elevated Compassion. The rationale for the severity of Covid measures was almost entirely based on considerations of compassion for the weakest members of society, and largely bypassed other concerns based on different moral foundations. Quite plausibly, the reason liberals found these arguments seductive is that they drew on elevated Agreeableness through pity, rather than Conscientiousness through disgust or contempt. The second factor is that both liberals and conservatives consume media designed to speak to their unique set of ethical and cultural values, which elevate different heroes and emphasize different concerns. Liberals worship technocrats and loathe rubes; conservatives love the common man and hate elites. Liberals fear harm coming to the weak, and therefore believe that they must be protected; conservatives fear enslavement and loss of the good life, and believe they are capable of guiding themselves. The media is simply interested in farming outrage for advertising dollars. Liberal media, therefore, is primed toward emphasizing potential threats to the safety of the weak, elevating the opinions of approved experts, and demonizing yokels. Conservative media is primed toward suspicion of official spokesmen from the government demanding compliance and providing cover for the expansion of state power over their lives, and the prioritization of common sense and individual calculations of risk and reward. So, while conservatives may be more disgust sensitive in general, liberal media made as much hay as possible about the virus and generally emphasized its threat, while conservative media largely treated it as an individually manageable phenomenon not nearly as threatening as the possible loss of freedom engendered by Covid measures. If disgust sensitivity was a factor, liberal media was always going to be much more likely to trigger it.

[@ultrafly100]

@@kauboy9816 I think it comes down to two factors - first, liberals are driven largely by a harm/fairness ethical model, which in Big 5 terms translates to elevated Compassion. The rationale for the severity of Covid measures was almost entirely based on considerations of compassion for the weakest members of society, and largely bypassed other concerns based on different moral foundations. Quite plausibly, the reason liberals found these arguments seductive is that they drew on elevated Agreeableness through pity, rather than Conscientiousness through disgust or contempt. The second factor is that both liberals and conservatives consume media designed to speak to their unique set of ethical and cultural values, which elevate different heroes and emphasize different concerns. Liberals worship technocrats and loathe rubes; conservatives love the common man and hate elites. Liberals fear harm coming to the weak, and therefore believe that they must be protected; conservatives fear enslavement and loss of the good life, and believe they are capable of guiding themselves. The media is simply interested in farming outrage for advertising dollars. Liberal media, therefore, is primed toward emphasizing potential threats to the safety of the weak, elevating the opinions of approved experts, and demonizing yokels. Conservative media is primed toward suspicion of official spokesmen from the government demanding compliance and providing cover for the expansion of state power over their lives, and the prioritization of common sense and individual calculations of risk and reward. So, while conservatives may be more disgust sensitive in general, liberal media made as much hay as possible about the virus and generally emphasized its threat, while conservative media largely treated it as an individually manageable phenomenon not nearly as threatening as the possible loss of freedom engendered by Covid measures. If disgust sensitivity was a factor, liberal media was always going to be much more likely to trigger it, while conservative media acted to suppress it.

[@archlich4489]

2:25 "The higher the prevalence of infectious diseases, the higher the probability of totalitarian political attitudes at the local level." That might be bad, given where we are and might be going. 😔

[@liyuche2695]

Look at China. Look at the horrors they are living. Any CCP can try to bs but deep down they want to get away

[@cryptoleprechaun5492]

Just look at today's China

[@StockpileThomas1]

​@Future Deadguy Both are equally capable of terrible things, let's not be mistaken here. Right wing parties are on the rise in Europe as whole, something I generally support, HOWEVER just because they're against the woke global Zeitgeist doesn't mean they're always gonna do the right, moral thing. I wonder more and more, when the tides change, and conservative and right wing opinions are getting more popular again in the next decades, which I expect is gonna happen, what if the parties of the future are even more heinous than what's happening today, will I speak out? They're on my side after all...

[@PvblivsAelivs]

@@StockpileThomas1 No one is _entirely_ on my side.

[@geridannels1701]

I wish Americans would protest the WHO pandemic treaty! What's wrong with people in this country? Do they not understand this will take every right we have left, and the constitution will be dead for us.

[@robertcooper457]

When Dr Jordan Peterson can give you more insight in a 10-minute KZbin video talking about the Lion King 😳🤯💜 than most of the garbage mainstream media will in an entire day.

[@bradr5647]

I pray everyday, that the mainstream media will disappear

[@newbatling4194]

Outstanding man, he should be listened to regularly, the only man that talks sense in this mad world.

[@godalseif]

I've really learned more from Petersons lectures online for free than I ever did in 4 years of college. Everything outside of mathematics and science felt like I was being scammed so I had no respect for anything outside of that realm of absolutes but Jordan taught me that it is useful if the professor knows what he's talking about. Unfortunately mine were all fools

[@m0-m0597]

Even science has been politicized and thus polluted

[@godalseif]

@@m0-m0597 I guess it depends on the science and the professor. I took astronomy and it was nice and apolitical

[@m0-m0597]

@@godalseif i lost trust in everyone and I won't believe anything anymore

[@ziraprod6090]

PragerU

[@HellYeah223]

One of the best lectures he's given

[@MichaelSHartman]

Sounds far too close to home on so many points. A definite save to playlist.

[@globalnaturalexperiences]

So captivating. This is so much related to our times.

[@kuyagab4444]

"The higher the prevalence of infectious diseases, the higher the tendency for totalitarian attitudes." Very chilling sratement.

[@xSOVxMUFASA]

I find it hilarious that he talks about how rulers get very totalitarian when sickness outbreaks (paraphrasing) and all I can think of is the sheer level of totalitarian BS everyone had to and to some extent STILL has to deal with the world over.

[@adamdunlaptv]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@ShomoGoldburgler]

Government in general is totalitarian They hold the monopoly on the use of force/ violence

[@Mika-ph6ku]

All of our rights were quickly snatched away when the coof hit for the sake of the "common good," and what's even scarier than that is the fact that everyone allowed it to happen...

[@RohannvanRensburg]

Parasite stress theory is a pretty well established theory with boatloads of examples from Africa. I was surprised at how few people knew anything about it, it should be talked about a great deal more.

[@TywysogCraig]

You don't have to and never had to. People just complied without question. Be free and inspire others

[@vagellan_8842]

Holy cow! If you really listen, these discussions consistently add to and change one's thinking and help one to look inward.

[@beerosaurusrex]

Nailed what happened during COVID. The increase in infectious diseases gave rise to totalitarian tactics, done under the guise of compassion.

[@numpty7750]

The most comforting quote I’ve ever ever come across is; The World is full of fools, and he who wouldn’t see it, should live alone and smash his mirror. Yes, You are an exasperating idiot but so am I. I despise pity, but I love compassion.

[@ultrafly100]

It is astounding how prescient this excerpt is.

[@rodneyandrewjohnstone8507]

The health and infectious disease aspects of totalitarianism are an eye opener.

[@peterc.1419]

The Russians were dirty though. The Commies smuggled money in their rectums into free Europe.

[@timthompson468]

It sucks how we failed to learn the lessons of the 20th century. We will relive the horror.

[@toddjohnson271]

Its the natural course.....man has never escaped it. Some were lucky enough to live in the happy lulls.

[@TheAurelianProject]

Well ironically enough, especially in Europe, it’s the horrors of the 20th century that caused them all to become so socialist and atheistic now. But they don’t seem to realize that they are pressing their “anti-fascism” and anti-right-wing ideologies to the point of becoming fascist yet again ironically enough. Just as Peterson explains, they expect everyone to be orderly, such as by basically being forced to be extremely woke, else you will receive heavy punishment or at the very least, become a social outcast.

[@theonlineanimal6009]

@@toddjohnson271 these are not the happy times.

[@notlukas1981]

in my highschool, one of my english teachers got us to analyse the lion king. it was one of the best classes ive taken between hs and uni and one of the only in which i walkead out thinking i had learned something

[@IntoTheUnknownnnnnnn]

What did you learn

[@Icriedtoday]

I made this exact point previously on Twitter. Nice too see some backup

[@rhs5683]

4:12 "the most unhappy people are liberal men" I had tears in my eyes. It's funny and true in the same time.

[@Mark-in8ju]

He said it so matter-of-factly

[@JamesWilliams-jf3hd]

He’s wrong and I ain’t no liberal. The most pissed of men are white conservatives. It’s undeniable. They are mad about everything

[@ziraprod6090]

And me.

[@brianrobinson1259]

“The most unhappy people are Liberal Men”! Best line in explaining what I see every day and believe me you should pay more attention to that statement!

[@MrSirFluffy]

So at around 2:17... Yikes. That is scarily accurate to the response to Covid, I find it hard to believe this was a pre-Covid lecture. Peterson's lectures are mind blowing.

[@peachykeen7634]

It’s not hard to believe if you truly understand the nature of man. The moment that I saw the mass compliance in March 2020, I knew the public was well prepped for subjugation. It is so so critical that we understand the true nature of man and we understand how humans can get to the level of atrocities. We have to be mentally aware that any person can become capable of atrocities and put in the right situation.

[@AkiraNakamoto]

7:42 Every socialist is a disguised dictator. --- Ludwig von Mises All individualists must remember this.

[@bradr5647]

Of course they will, you gotta tell that to every limp wristed self hating liberal

[@IntoTheUnknownnnnnnn]

How

[@AkiraNakamoto]

@@IntoTheUnknownnnnnnn Because you have an authoritarian mindset. You are obsessed with making decision for others. You are a self-promoted agent of the Ministry of Truth.

[@richhinson8018]

I heard: COVID. COVID. COVID. Wear your mask. Social distance. Shut down your business. Stay home. Silence the ideas that are counter to the policy.

[@chevongrant3589]

2:25 sounds like a mandate to make everyone stay home

[@brangrah1717]

Well, this lecture took on new meaning over the years....

[@fredheimuli5913]

Dr Peterson is a nurturing father to many that never had one

[@brettcowan9493]

This sends shivers down my spine

[@derekb.e1151]

That lecture explains what happenned during Covid so well!

[@TheJojoaruba52]

Brilliant. He’s describing Progressivism. We’re living in this dystopia now.

[@frankjennings4489]

He’s describing fascism, which is overreaching conservatism as a reaction to progressivism. He made it pretty clear what he was talking about. Unless you are specifically referencing the hyper-sensitivity to covid by the people who usually call themselves progressives. I’d argue that stance was a departure from their progressive values, but it was reminiscent of this lecture by Peterson.

[@magdalenem4949]

@@frankjennings4489 progressives are fascists. He saw this back then. Conservatives do not want to control speech, or indoctrinate kids: it is clear that is what the left is doing and he's been warning about this for decades. This is WHY he went past being an academic to standing up against forced compelled speech. Try to keep up, progressivism, is a cancer that is destroying civilization.

[@icecreamcheesesticks]

@@frankjennings4489 any kind of collectivist ideology always leads to the same totalitarian end result. Both left and right leaning forms. Progressivism has recently appeared to downplay the importance of individual freedom over the common good

[@itzblvckhighlander1576]

@@icecreamcheesesticks its always the "common good", the last two years have been quite a shocker lets say

[@tom-kz9pb]

He is describing his own right-wing fan base, but he doesn't know it, and neither does his fan base.

[@gamble9437]

There's a fantastic sub-story in Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy that entails this theory exactly. There was a planet of perfect beings who had the most perfect civilisation. There was no crime, no hunger, no sickness, no division. Everyone was born perfect and remained perfect, everything worked perfectly, they had everything they could ever want and everyone was utterly happy and content. The planet was ensconced within a cloudy region of the galaxy, they had no stars in the night sky and no one never had a thought that there was anything other than them and the planet they lived on. They knew they were the only beings in existence and the thought never crossed their mind that there could be anything else other than the perfect place in which they lived. One day a space ship came out the clouds and landed on the planet, an alien stepped out of the craft and began to attempt communication. The perfect people were appalled and disgusted by this being from another place and killed him. The got together and decided that all others who were not them, not as perfect nor perfectly happy and content should be destroyed. They used their perfect minds and perfect society to create the most terribly destructive force in the entire galaxy and went on a crusade to completely destroy anything and anyone that did not originate from their perfect world. They cut a bloody path across the galaxy for thousands of years annihilating many millions of worlds and countless life forms and to this day if the fleets of these perfect people are spotted you can be sure that complete and total destruction will soon ensue.

[@grego4835]

Wow how accurate to what I went through in Australia the fast few years

[@haverjamarosi680]

5:19 now that's a screenshot for the leftwing media!

[@St.MosestheBlack]

A sort of prophetic uttering based on the truth of history and what we will face in the future because humanity never really changes.

[@daniangoodman-jones3931]

I'm 40 and my kids are now teenagers. Your comment caught me because as I age and watch my kids grow, I am developing ,as Im sure is the experience for most, a new perspective, a more rounded view of the world and a sense of calm acceptance as to how we got into this shit fight. Collective v the individual. It never changes. We rebrand it over and over and make it sound nice. But those who view the world as a power dynamic between oppressor and oppressed will always tend towards ideologies where individual agency and therefore responsibility, are rejected. Where you are simply a group member with no real autonomy. It never changes, you are 100% right. We peaked about the 70's to the 90's I think and since then I've watched successive generations become ignorant and swept up by the latest rebranding of Marx and his pious peers. And we now, in the blink of an eye, are regressing back to tribes. Tribes with rainbow flags and missing genitals, coloured tribes, you name it, we've classified it. Since Martin Luther King, we have done a backflip on the idea that an individual should be judged according to their character. It only matters what group you are from, and the conflict ensues and the west has become what we fought against. But even more insidious.

[@johnmccay9815]

That’s truth never be told. What are we? Who are we to become? I’ll tell you.! you need to become what you are. Sons and daughters of the most high! Now that’s comforting. No one wants to be treated like a piece of meat. Which servants are the best servants? Those with integrity truthfulness goodness generosity and kindness.

[@chrisocasio3779]

God Bless everyone reading this comment

[@seangilhooley5385]

God Bless you too

[@archlich4489]

Thank you. God Bless you too! 😊

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

God bless you too and everyone reading this 🙏🏾

[@davidabrinton]

Yes, God bless each and every one!

[@joeroganpodfantasy42]

Main Points: 1. Even the worst murders were rationalized as compassionate by the NAZI. 2. Disgust is the main driver not fear. 3. Over Civilization not under civilization was the reason. (I always assumed the opposite since Germanic tribes didn't become part of the roman empire , we cant really know for sure but more questions are raised as to the reasons why. 4. Orderly people are judgmental to even those who cant help it.

[@TheeBohemian]

Orderliness is indispensable to a proper functioning society; the question is when does it encroach upon areas where order is a matter of individual responsibility - trespassing on one's privacy and autonomy.

[@chrisburke624]

This man is such a uniquely critical thinker, and someone who can see both the big picture & small picture simultaneously. I can't believe those silly students were yelling at him for being a bigot when if they just shut the f**k up & listened, they'd realize he was trying to educate people so they didn't become bigots themselves. Truly appreciate your work JP

[@sa8lvi]

2:25 striking parallel to the pandemic situation? There where some exceptional tendencies to enforce order.

[@adamstarritt7572]

Man, listening to JP week in week out at uni must have been life changing. Their minds just slowly expanding!

[@jgale2590]

It would be great to be in a JP class!

[@Retrochronus]

The corralation between totalitarian thought and prevelance of infectious diseases make you wonder about the current state of pandemic managment.

[@johnnastrom9400]

Amazing how Peterson described exactly what is going on in the west today and this lecture dates back to at least 2017.

[@joefondu]

The most powerful people that our society produced hate the rest of us, or are indifferent to our condition.

[@matthewclark6625]

This description by Mr. Peterson of totalitarian societies aptly describes how Canada is developing today under Justin Trudeau/Freeland/Singh

[@TheAurelianProject]

“The crescent represents darkness and the underworld.” Hmmmmmmm This makes way more sense now…

[@StFelly]

I get the idea that there’s a connection to the dynamic of disgust and lying

[@jadhajali2804]

So, basically, we are living in a half-totalitarian regime ourselves. And we're heading deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole...

[@valkymia3708]

We got the bad ending...

[@nowlwane9623]

The people become disenfranchised and fall for the loving leadership

[@LarryPanozzo]

Save this somewhere so you can show your grandkids after the world collapses

[@elperronimo]

What grandkids? You mean the tumor ridden lumps of flesh you put googly eyes on?

[@LarryPanozzo]

@@elperronimo accurate

[@Gridlocked]

@Albert Kirilov Live off the land.

[@theonlineanimal6009]

@Albert Kirilov it can collapse in many ways. You should have been in texas during the Great Freeze. Power went out. And people got snowed in. It was a frozen wasteland

[@Sidera17]

I’m disabled and a lot of people who become caregivers and really stick it out are also conscientious personality types, but wow, are they brutal with how obtuse their comments are. They don’t actually want to listen to input and judge you for failing to overcome something while demanding to be rewarded for sacrificing and sticking by you. It’s a really bad situation to be in, but the other personality types can’t cope and leave, so you just go inside yourself. It’s also equally terrifying to imagine that the reason many disabled people are scorned by people is due to some contagion fear disgust. There’s no way to reason with that orientation. And we know what people do to things they find disgusting.

[@theonlineanimal6009]

Don't talk shit on care takers if you can't take care of yourself independently

[@Sidera17]

@@theonlineanimal6009 Nobody is "talking sh*t" about caregivers-- it's a matter of safety and communication. Every interaction involves two people, and routinely care-receivers are forced into silence for fear of backlash from the caregiver. The three most vulnerable groups who require care are children (dependents literally), elderly people who have aged into disability and infirmity, and adults who become disabled. We have programs in place to protect and provide for children and the elderly, but not for disabled adults, who are also at a high risk of receiving abuse. If a child is abused, you call DCF. If an elder is abused, there are elder abuse lines, so why shouldn't we also protect adults who are sick and disabled? Too many disabled people suffer in silence bc they are not allowed to criticize their caregivers or else they could die. It can progress to a form of domestic abuse.

[@theonlineanimal6009]

@@Sidera17 I'm very familiar with the care system. And in my experience. The one receiving care is often rude and entitled. Not all. Obviously. But most. These days hurting someone's feelings can be seen as abuse. Whole world went soft. Abuse towards the patient isn't as common as you make it out to be

[@Sidera17]

@@theonlineanimal6009 I've always felt there was a disconnect based on sone kind of lack of understanding between caregiver and receiver which causes resentments to build on both sides. Ideally, both parties should try to find common ground and common language to address the changes in lifestyle for both. The disabled person is going to need extra care or provisions that sometimes the caregiver doesn't understand, but the caregiver also needs to be able to take care of themselves so as not to grow resentful. I don't doubt there are manipulative disabled people just like there are abusive caregivers, and both can "hide behind" their roles to avoid others knowing the abuse. And I do agree about needing to define "abuse" and levels of it because it really has gotten to the point where the definition is "saying something that upsets a person." Which is harmful, but not the same as constantly, systematized abuse. Also, disability abuse can also manifest as not jyst violence but willful neglect or in specific actions that would not be abusive to a healthy person (like trapping someone in a room who has mobility issues or ecposing a person intentionally to something like foid that can trigger allergies, etc, with the intent to hurt them). It's a bigger conversation to have but it seems like politically right now the rest of the world is falling apart so I doubt it's at the top of any political or social agendas for change.

[@malcolmliang]

FYI, the original speech was made 5 years ago. Before the coof hysteria. Definitely has foresight to things.

[@Mega.Luke87]

So on point at the end of 2022.

[@onpatrolforthejuice]

This is so insanely brilliant and terrifying I don't know what to do 😵‍💫

[@Whatishappeningworld]

I also love the saying - alot of people in this world need a dictator.

[@mrknarf4438]

Very interesting! So terms like "homophobia" are rooted in this older theory that that diffidence is motivated by fear, while disgust is actually the driving factor?

[@rey_nemaattori]

This guy explains the dangers of the extremes on the left _and_ the right, and the underlying mechanisms in about 10 minutes... hat's off.

[@Kommander_Rahnn]

Naw. It's the left's misguided belief in a utopian ideal that makes them far more dangerous.

[@exchangeofwisdom8475]

I wish there was a full video of his class. I wanted more. Lol

[@A_A_ron-Phillips]

There is a collection of videos of all his full lectures of his classes on Jordan Peterson’s KZbin channel, but a full video of this lecture is listen in the description.

[@exchangeofwisdom8475]

@@mewk4261 oh hey, thanks so much to you both. I didn't notice that. I appreciate this a lot.

[@exchangeofwisdom8475]

@@A_A_ron-Phillips that's fantastic. Thanks for the info. Very much.

[@JustinMaderify]

The modern day parallels are astounding.

[@PeeGee85]

Hell is any place you're not designed to be in, any place that's hostile to your nature. A single set of rules for everything for everyone seems like the surest way of creating hell on a massive scale.

[@isaacdrury5052]

I wish I grew up in a generation where this was just common sense

[@Hbmd3E]

amin

[@mr.raslyon6626]

His students were so lucky.

[@BoeingPrototype]

0:30 When you walk out of the bathroom and your sibling runs in after you

[@laurafulton7023]

Sounds like Jordan was describing present day Canada

[@frankjennings4489]

Jordan Peterson in the 90s: Clerk: Sir, this is a Blockbuster Video

[@smithsmith3942]

Is disgust born from fear? Aren’t we disgusted by things we find harmful? It seems to me like it circles back to fear, though the distinction is important. Thoughts anyone?

[@CobbsCorner]

Disgust is distinctly different to fear. It's also more subjective than fear imo. I'd say you are controlled by fear but motivated by disgust.

[@theonlineanimal6009]

It's easy to mix them up. But they are difrent. Iv been held at gun point... but iv also had tape worms and coughed up live flies. Disgust and fear are related. But very different

[@AndySaenz]

I’ve watched the lion king many times, and I’ve always been disturbed by that scene of Scar and the hyenas marching in formation as they sing “be prepared”. It looks very dystopian.

[@me_here_now]

If we don’t study and understand human history we will repeat it’s tragedies.

[@joshmasterson5015]

Saw it in last few years. Fear can really make people fall in line

[@theiberianbadger0123]

This is more relevant and true now especially in the rise of the Covid regime

[@lufuzdraws7776]

Thank you for the amazing explanation!!

[@JulietaFranchini]

Wauuuuu... Perfeitamente explicado. 🌾

[@TheTylerGeissler]

What he states about the study done (@ 2:25-2:30) blew my mind, so I have to have a thought-process here. He says the study shows that totalitarian attitudes are more prominent when surrounded by infectious diseases. As I type this, I am reminded of COVID, but what this initially reminded me of was the Torah. I just finished my in-depth analysis of Leviticus, which came to mind when Dr Peterson brought up the study. A select portion of Leviticus has to do with "leprosy" and the guidelines surrounding these ailments or infections-one of the rules being that people diagnosed as a "leper" had to separate themselves from the camp until they were deemed clean. Apparently, ancient Hebrews believed these were sicknesses from God as a punishment for their sin (lots of symbolism about sin/repentance in this portion of Torah). Idk exactly what to make of this rn, but I wonder if what this study suggests has any correlation with the state of Israel.

[@cookungfoo]

Seems like history repeating itself. Canceled people are beating "Canceled Culture" based on what played out, when things came to light covid did the same when things got real. I'm not exempt from all of this either and I'm pretty awesome lol. My take away is that we're all going to reap what we sow. Our sins, imbalances and fatal behavior requires us to struggle, solve and overcome if we're going to survive and have a healthy quality of life. You can only complain out of luxury. If life sucks, it's because you suck. If you're bored, it's because you're boring.😁

[@elinope4745]

A theory is great for a model, a model is great for a prediction, predictions can be written down and evaluated over time. Models and theories always leave room for further explanation.

[@ThaKodiakkiller]

That's an issue we're seeing a lot in the present day. Politicians believe their theories will have the outcomes they intend without providing empirical evidence for it.

[@elinope4745]

@@ThaKodiakkiller I theorize that the politicians use words to get elected in a cryptic fashion that appears to be straight forward at first glance but actually is loaded with double speak, posturing and distraction. My hypothesis here can be used to predict that the person who wins the newest seat of Congress with the alphabetically ordered first last name will have slandered their rival for a problem that will persist under their term.

[@A_A_ron-Phillips]

… except for the “theory” of evolution.

[@declanwilliams1749]

I love how Jordan actually has classes worth paying for! 😌

[@nopara73]

Can you imagine what'd happen if the government could track everything you bought?

[@jaymudd2817]

Digital Currency

[@theonlineanimal6009]

They already can. We call it... the IRS

[@oliversherman2414]

As a history buff I've always been fascinated by historical dictatorships and why they shouldn't be repeated today. Great video 👍

[@oriomssi]

Do you think that there is an existing force which will forever prevail over tyranny? Or an inevitable mechanism of self destruction for totalitarianism? Or both?

[@Volkbrecht]

That is wrong thinking. You are assuming that tyrannical, meaning, highly orderly, societies are by default inferior to libertarian, individualistic ones. That may or may not be true, depending on the circumstances, but it is important that you are aware of your assumption, so you can challenge it should the situation require it.

[@oriomssi]

@@Volkbrecht I was asking, not assuming. Tyrannical is not highly orderly, tyrannical means governing by oppression. Answer me this: how come there are Jews today, but no Romans, Incas, Othomans?

[@peachykeen7634]

Ultimately, King Jesus is the true force against tyranny. He says, “come to me, all who are weary. My yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Gods rules never change and that’s why King David’s longest psalm (119) is about how great Gods laws are. They are simple, intuitive, they never get “worse,” or “harder,” and additionally God sends His own spirit to indwell with [willing] Believers to give them the ability to obey and follow and Him. ❤️

[@kkwun4969]

thanks for the tutorial

[@tonyb7615]

This is me. I assume everyone is as knowledgeable as I am. And I forgive more than a fair share seeing as nowadays there's this thing called the internet. And I'm more than willing to explain but that same internet wont hear me without cancelling me. And every year the amount of free thinkers dissipates. My uncle is a teacher and he retired early because of this very thing.

[@theonlineanimal6009]

Your problem is overestimating your own intelligence. Stupid people tend to think they are smarter than everyone else. It's ironic really.

[@_Dovar_]

We've all just seen this unfold step by step over the last 2 years...

[@joelt00b]

4:10 "the most unhappy people are liberal men"

[@archlich4489]

Liberal women seem a CLOSE second

[@elinope4745]

Yeah I feel that

[@davidabrinton]

It makes a lot of sense if they are living with a liberal woman.

[@lebronjames7041]

Betas

[@ThaKodiakkiller]

It's because they see what's bad about the world, while conservatives often see whats good. That's why liberals want to change things, while conservatives want to preserve them. Of course this isn't 100% true, it's a generalization.

[@livefreeprintguns]

Actually unbelievable.

[@toby8814]

Man the world has gone pretty damn stupid and its sad. Somebody needs to redirect focus People who can't think outside a machine line , people who think murder is the answer whenever people try to escape that box . Sad world

[@Hunter_IRL]

Here while the videos views are in the hundreds not 100s of thousands.

[@ghostmane2643]

Ya boy will be canceled before all that

[@nowie4007]

same

[@livefreeordie1776]

@@ghostmane2643 you can't cancel the truth.

[@leolionroarrrrrrr5509]

@@livefreeordie1776 “ live free or die”. Words to live by.

[@livefreeordie1776]

@@leolionroarrrrrrr5509 I'm afraid everyone is gonna be faced with this choice soon.

[@AidenRKrone]

As someone with clinically diagnosed obsessive-compulsive disorder, I can personally attest to the fact that ordered people are very judgmental.

[@donglefuirongl7994]

Damn, you make me wish that i have studied Psychology as your student....

[@antoniofarinaccio541]

Very mind opening. I wish I was present in his class.