How Clone Wars Writers BRILLIANTLY Handled the Delicate Topic of Colonialism - Underrated Arcs#7

[@TheTyler211995]

The Talz aided the Galactic Republic agaisnt the Sith Empire on Hoth, during the Great Galactic War. Just thought I'd add this little fact.

[@HouseOfAlastrian]

Yep... and one particular Talz... Broonmark, wasn't particularly happy about that. But he was pretty much a serial killer who fell in with the Sith Warrior. Then he tried to murder the Senator from Kashyyyk because he believes that the Wookiees 'corrupted' the Talz way of life by bringing them into the Republic. Broonmark was a truly terrifying character, especially considering how peaceful the rest of his race typically is.

[@ksamuel9]

That bit's not canon anymore since they made the Talz more primitive but I wish it still was

[@Emperor-Rubrum]

Yeah Broonmark! Even he was a little too bloodthristy for my Warrior though.

[@calvin9388]

@@HouseOfAlastrian swtor?

[@HouseOfAlastrian]

@@calvin9388 yep

[@code.c.]

"To die for one's people is a great sacrifice. To live for one's people: an even greater sacrifice."

[@TheReapergod36]

To annihilate an entire people to claim territory that could be made into war assets and resources is...?

[@TheReapergod36]

@Kaiser Von Bahr I know it's a quote from the episode. I was saying my own original thing. You seem to be dense however in your attempt to call me dense. I'm sorry for your loss.

[@wow7dayz]

@@TheReapergod36 Assimilation? Resourceful genocide? Not a sociology or history major but I’m sure there’s a word for it!

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@TheReapergod36 "Genocidal Assimilation" is probably the sad, but most accurate term

[@arthurlam751]

Reminds me of Superman from a Justice League Episode. "Draaga, the true test of honor isn't how you die. It's how you live."

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

I always found it interesting how even though the Tals were a more tribal hunting culture, they still just wanted to reach peace in the best and quickest way possible.

[@silvertemplar8061]

When you think about it, I understand what you are saying, because you think those kind of tribal/hunting bands are often prone to aggressively attack anything probably because they are not nomads and have a cultural identity. I think one factor, is that they came in on peaceful terms, and also because of the fact that they live in a harsh environment and have to deal with a lot.

[@arthurdowney2846]

Think about it from their perspective. How would the average Tal understand this situation? Strange warriors descend from the sky on flying mountains. They use weapons that create lightning and fire. Would you want a protracted war against the sky warriors who weild magic beyond your comprehension; not knowing how many more will come?

[@kadefoulk8492]

Very reminiscent to real world tribes. Willing to fight but hoping for peace

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

@@silvertemplar8061 Um, not exactly on why I would think they would just attack. Their whole culture is built on hunting, so I would think they would just hunt the intruders instead of talk peace.

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

@@arthurdowney2846 That is true

[@hunterkiller1440]

My only complaint in this episode would be they didn't use Clone Marine suits. Other than that, this made me wish TPM was the start of TCW.

[@geetslys]

The clone marine suits would've been fabulous.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

You mean Clone Commander suits?

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Either way, the Galactic Marines might have been too busy on another battlefront.

[@ethanpersonius-naff7899]

I think they were suppose to be Phase 1 Galactic Marine outfits something that the 21st Nova Corps would've worn before the shift to Phase 2 armor in 20 BBY.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@geetslys WAAAYYY too much animation budget to give everyone flowing masks.

[@baronofbahlingen9662]

Something Generation Tech rightfully pointed out was the fact that the Pantorans have South African-ish accents, with Senator Chuchi’s being more obvious, and the Chairman resembling a British accent more closely. While the plot of the episode doesn’t track well with South African history, there are some echoes, including in how the Chairman is more aggressive and can be seen to represent the older generation, and Chuchi the new generation who optimistically seek reconciliation. Unfortunately it isn’t so ideal in real life, but thought I would note it.

[@Klaaism]

Aye RL situations are rarely as obviously one-sided. Course that's the thing about humanity, matters become messy fast with no easy resolution.

[@paulmiller9767]

Its going very well in South Africa i hear

[@FredBstar3K]

@@paulmiller9767 pffffff!!! as a south African i can tell you that things are not well at all XD

[@jeremypintsize7606]

@@FredBstar3K Yes , endemic violence, corruption ... but 35 years back , south africa is at civil war against 70% of it's population - his native population -. I'm from the anti-english (since 1066) country with a bloody and brutal colonial history, and I'm not proud of my country in this case.

[@LordVader1094]

@@paulmiller9767 The white farmers getting murdered would agree with you

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate handles the galaxy like a yo-yo.

[@geetslys]

I AM THE SENATE

[@Klaaism]

Robot Chicken Palpatine: "So I threw the Senate at em."

[@SalinaMoonfall]

The episode was defiantly a microcosm of how badly the Senate was running things, basically, take this incident and repeat it for every other planet under the republic's "control". THEN throw in the Jedi often being called, bumbling their way into the situation, and at times making bad calls and unfair resolutions because they were too force blind and detached to properly read the situation. This situation turned out for the better, but not every conflict had Obi-wan and Anakin but instead had Jedi who didn't realize how weak their connection to the force had become and who were raised with a detached mindset that lead them into making such bad calls thinking they were listening to the force when in truth they were blind to the reality in front of them.

[@geoffreyprecht2410]

Fun fact, the only time George Lucas had a cameo in the entire Star Wars franchise, he was playing a Pantoran on Coruscant at the beginning of Episode 3. This entire arc was created to flesh out a species that was originally created so that George had an excuse to wear blue face paint! Also, wasn't there a Tal in the Mos Eisley cantina in Episode 4? Considering how that happens only a couple decades after the discovery of that species, that one Tal must have had a heck of an interesting journey!

[@zexalbrony4799]

There was also that one Tal that was Jedi in the 2003 Clone Wars Mirco series, the one who alongside Shaak Ti and that Ithorian were protecting Palpatine, who then got killed alongside the Ithorian at the hands of Grevious.

[@dtkuang5137]

I was also about to point this out. Barring a serious retcon, orto plutonia is a colony world of the talz, whose Homeworld is Alzoc III. This population just remained isolated in primitivism.

[@cobaltgreen1138]

Baron papanoida?

[@lagavr4693]

The Tai in mos eisley was a bounty hunter

[@olafgurke4699]

@@dtkuang5137 Yeah. In SWTOR, there are also Talz on Hoth.

[@indianajones4321]

Wish we could have seen more Cold Assault troopers

[@geetslys]

Yes, we did not see many

[@sciathoir]

Shoulda been called Cool CATs

[@thomaskimber8722]

Totally agree, it's hard to realistically portray this, especially in a child friendly show, but as usual CW smashed it!

[@geetslys]

Yeah they definitely did!

[@celestialyagg804]

“Filoni and his bois are the most underrated and epic writers in history.” - Sun Tzu, probably

[@minicle426]

Ehh. People blow too much smoke up Filoni's rear end frankly. His obsession with Ahsoka gets annoying.

[@lixd3054]

@@minicle426 Ahsoka is life Ahsoka is love

[@minicle426]

@@lixd3054 Sometimes there just isn't enough vomit in the world...

[@amanzeihedioha]

Now this episode gave me chills as a kid. Pun very much intended.

[@geetslys]

Very chilly

[@fumarc4501]

Pun appreciated. Stay punny, my dude.

[@RehnanCT-]

"If it wasn't for that Pantoran air head then eleven or my brothers as well as those from the local garrison might still be alive" CT-6963 Lieutenant Xander: 501st Legion: personal journal

[@RehnanCT-]

Eleven clones dead Eleven likes

[@malcolm2466]

the amount of delicacy the writers put into the topic of colonialism for a kids is matched only by the last airbender

[@geetslys]

Yes, they were very careful and managed to pull it off quite well

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Not surprising, considering some of A: TLA's writers moved to this show, Dave Filoni being the primary example.

[@Klaaism]

In most kid shows it helps to make one side very obviously in the moral/legal wrong, in this case the Panteran commander. A one episode jerkoff character that can be safely disposed of without sullying the hands of the heroes or the plot.

[@minicle426]

Atla is tediously overhyped...

[@malcolm2466]

@@minicle426 it certainly can be. However, when it comes to colonialism and it’s effects it really knock it out of the park.

[@robertbarrows6687]

The Battle of Otto Lutonia seems to be more of a parallel of the British in the Zulu Wars than the Indian Wars of the Americas.

[@kernowpictures2002]

And the actual Indian rebellions against the British Empire In India

[@avengersprime5431]

I agree

[@olafgurke4699]

Sorry to be that guy, but it's Orto Plutonia. ^^

[@timthewarlord2304]

Or the British and the indigenous Australians

[@alexbibby9641]

Thats what I thought, with the final moments of the episode minus the peace agreement being just like Rorke’s drift

[@zexalbrony4799]

I always enjoyed this episode, not as much as many others, but still. Chuchi's speech at the end is especially good and one I remember especially the opening: "To die for one's people is a great sacrifice. To live for one's people is an even greater sacrifice." That is espcially impressive, given how many great characters we saw during the Clone Wars lay down their lives to save people, the Clones and Jedi who sacrificed themselves so the Twe'lek's could escape, 99 during the Battle of Kamino, Hardcase during the Battle of Umbara, all gave their lives for what was right and to save lives. That is great. But, as Chuchi showed us, it's not the only way to help and serve the people, and it's not always the best way. In all those examples I listed it was the best way, but in Chairmen Cho's case here, it was a really terrible decision that caused much unnecessary bloodshed. Sometimes the best way to help and serve your people and save lives is to swallow your pride and do what is right. Gilliag Pellieon knew this, instead of continuing to fight and lose more lives and territory, he negotiate peace with the New Republic, the best way to help his people. Another example is that Separatist Senator the Bad Batch saved, he didn't want to leave his people, but like his Droid and Echo said that the best way to help his people right now was to leave and come back when he was better prepared to help his people. Chuchi taught us an important lesson here, there are many ways one can best help and serve their people, depending on the situation, and one must be open to these ideas and views to best help their people. An important lesson that Cho really should have learned.

[@animeotaku22]

Trespass was one of my favorite episodes growing up specifically because of the Talz, I thought everything about them was cool, from their designs to the mounts they rode to their introduction (where we only see the aftermath of their passing, the clone and seperatist outposts completely wiped out, and if I'm remembering correctly there weren't any blaster markings on the walls, implying that the Talz not only wiped out both outposts, but did it quickly and quietly enough that there wasn't even any resistance). Looking back on it now, Trespass is still one of my favorites, for many of the same reasons discussed in this video. Senator Chuchi is an amazing character and I wish we'd gotten more of her throughout TCW.

[@CallumDT]

Fantastic video. Sick of people writing off season 1 and 2. They are still valuable and interesting

[@geetslys]

Exactly

[@michaelandreipalon359]

That's what happens if you still think the initial seasons are rough. Heck, even I have some reluctance on rewatching The Amazing World of Gumball's first and second seasons.

[@kernowpictures2002]

I consider all of the series to be great even the jar jar ones

[@minicle426]

Shame we don't get any proper CIS victories.

[@lazychuckproductions]

Kinda wish the clones sang a song similar to men of harlech. Kind of a tribute to the movie Zulu. Where the zulu warriors respected the British troops defense of Rourke's drift. As well as the British singing back. A clash of culture.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

You're admittedly right. Wish some of them actually sang some Mandalorian war chants in the show.

[@Fleechin]

I wonder if George Lucas ever thought he'd be a blue guy in one of his own movies

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Maybe.

[@derrickstorm6976]

Yea they just happened to coach him in the outfit on his freetime, the scene was not written into the movie originally

[@masteroftheassassins]

This is one of my favorite non arc episodes of the series. Simply because we get to see that there are those who are eager for war and there are those more eager for peace.

[@geetslys]

Yes, it was very well represented

[@willanderson7708]

8:11 "the clone wars isn't most tv shows." Truer words have never been spoken.

[@theboss13OOO]

Agreed, Geetsly's the best.

[@ontasbulent5709]

I have a really bad feeling that the empire finished what the chairman started

[@wtpiv6041]

Entirely possible. Though the empire never seemed too keen on bothering with worlds that didn’t have resources that benefited them in some way. Take the moon of Endor for example. Aside from using it as a place to hide the second Death Star, they never really did much on the surface.

[@lordnazar6382]

The Empire most likely enslaved the Talz tribe(s) instead of killing them off.

[@jscal2231]

It’s just a shame that the Tals might have been conquered anyway not too long after they gained sovereignty when the Republic became the Empire. It’s just more Palpatine giving everything good about the Jedi and the Republic the middle finger.

[@EmpirealDemocracy]

My only complaint (which, I'm not sure if I would even call it that) is that this was a one off instead of an arc. I feel like making it an arc would have let the show explore some of the deeper political and economic motivations for colonialism. This would have been awesome, as Clone Wars has explored political and economic motivations for other topics, and it always adds to the message as well as to the vibrancy of the world. This episode was excellent, but it was also just one episode and so the topic had to be simplified a bit compared to what it could have been.

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

I’ve always wanted a Boer War style guerilla conflict during the Clone Wars period, say, some farmers say screw the Republic, this is our land, and wage a war against the Republic forces. It would also be interesting to explore that some are very morally grey, just as the Boers practiced segregation against the local black population, perhaps these settlers can be seen being aggressive towards the natives.

[@demi-femme4821]

Someone once got mad that the Talz were not retaliated against for their attacks on the Republc base, to which I said "congratulations on missing the entire point of the episode."

[@geetslys]

Hahaha

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Interesting... what were their real life political beliefs then?

[@DCPTF2]

they should have been, attack a foreign power be ready to face retaliation

[@Daza-La]

@@DCPTF2 when that foreign power militarily occupies somebody else's home, they cannot seek sympathy or play victim when the natives legitimately retaliate.

[@DCPTF2]

@@Daza-La did anyone know they where there, did the Talz take the time to build up their culture to expand over their home?, if you hide away and pretend you are not there you have no right to then attack people who had no clue you where there to start with

[@debunkthis]

Colonialism is a far more complex topic then given credence too in this episode or in the modern view

[@lewismassie]

This episode always stuck in my mind. I never quite figured out why since I knew nothing about any of the side characters. Never occurred to me it was about colonialism until much later

[@MayanFrighter100000]

This video really hit home for me, I am a Maya descent and so few are willing to depict the topic of colonialism properly or always depict my people or other people they encounter as savages but The Clone Wars is one of the rare few shows that is willing to talk about this with the respect that is need.

[@michaelheckman3474]

It is actually disgusting how colonialism is treated in a lot of America where I'm from. I remember learning about how Columbus traded beads and spices with natives and that the natives murdered peaceful missionaries. I'm literally only 19. That's how whitewashed our culture is.

[@MayanFrighter100000]

@@michaelheckman3474 i’m already aware of this information, they’ve been whitewashing history since Christopher Columbus.

[@davidjoelsson4929]

@@michaelheckman3474 he did trade tho.

[@michaelheckman3474]

@@davidjoelsson4929 I know I meant that was the ONLY part they taught us, they conveniently left out the rest 😂

[@davidjoelsson4929]

@@michaelheckman3474 well histories all around the world is like that in turkey your not allowed to think armenian genocide did happen its illegal to say it happened.

[@Sov-Ryn15]

This episode was one of the main reasons I adored Riyo’s character and wish there was more of her. Original for the show, attractive (more so than Padme’s animated version), and had a steady moral compass for a young senator such as herself, which, again, was in line with Padme, albeit without rolling for bad boys, and we know how that ended, lol. It would have been cool to she her grew during the Clone Wars from a timid senator to one who could strong-willed one from such a strong episode, even possibly one of the kickstarters of the Rebellion.

[@amysargent4237]

And yet Schaffrillas Productions (another KZbin Channel) DOESN'T like this episode anyway (even saying to skip the episode entirely)!

[@21stcenturysquid]

I love the direction this channel is taking recently and keeping things relevant to emergent social issues

[@ChapMeifan]

It's too bad that Kennedy didn't get these writers to collaborate on writing episodes 7, 8 and 9. Being able to link the whole of Star Wars together in a brilliant tapestry that would have pushed the story forward while honoring and referencing the past. The Clone Wars was such a well-written series and still holds up today.

[@watch50er]

I have a genuine question that might sound off topic- if “Trespass” is a parallel to colonialism Is it wrong to interpret “war of the worlds” as colonialism - especially British colonialism in which the Brits are being destroyed like they destroyed indigenous humans for their land and resources?

[@necfreon6259]

That is a very fascinating question

[@watch50er]

@@necfreon6259 I’m open to answers

[@geetslys]

It's not wrong at all. H.G. Wells wrote War of the Worlds with that exact intention.

[@watch50er]

@@geetslys I had to ask because I was stewing over an interpretation that the martians are not dark reflections of the British (or any civilized nation at the time) because no civilized nation sanctioned canabilism… and to suggest as much is to not understand what you are talking about because H G Wells did not directly say any of that …. Which makes me now suspect either that person is ignorant, lacks insight, or is an apologist

[@kernowpictures2002]

@@geetslys I have read half of that book

[@mrbarit529]

the pantoran chairman's uniform dose look some what like a mid-1800s us cavalry uniform.

[@thisisdavid2]

Haha! you chaps actually took my request, BRILLIANT! :) LOVE this episode and you handled it tip top so many thanks for doing this! :)

[@owenward2624]

I've loved your channel for years, and this video a microcosm of why. You crafted an excellent and thoughtful analysis of both the story and its implications, perfectly nailing/identifying the harmful tropes many other stories and narratives embrace. Well done

[@geoffreyprecht2410]

Good time to be binging Geetsly's videos! If I'm gonna be stuck sick at home, I'm glad I can at least enjoy some of my favorite Star Wars lore channel!

[@ragnorockcookie2868]

I 100% empathize with the story because my tribe originated from Ecuador a country that was known by a different name history that was destroyed and culture hidden to time and only known to it's people who change there name and language to adapt and survive the genocide of my people. According to my people's storys these men came from the sea brought by giant boats. They landed and were sick, tired and dying. My people help those men gain there strength and gave them all things needed to survive there travels. And how did they thank our kindness and generosity? They captured our king killed him in cold blood after giving up. killed many of our people and tried to force us into believing in there children fairy tail. We refuse and we were sentence to genocide by there leaders. Our history then was eraced and our name eraced from history.

[@queer_dreams_of_soothing_r9641]

Solidarity! My people are Inuit and I’ve grown up with stories of our people helping massive ships pass through the ice sheets and explorers relying on Inuk navigation to find their way through, yet we were regularly depicted as unwanted dogs, as a nuisance or pest. No matter what, all empires fall. We have stood passed worse and we will remain once the system of our occupiers crashes and burns.

[@ragnorockcookie2868]

@@queer_dreams_of_soothing_r9641 lucky they no longer stand.

[@cherryfirefly97]

I love this episode. One of my favorites in the series. Also made Anakin feel like a Jedi and not just a warrior general

[@wtpiv6041]

To this day I never understood why the chairman acted the way he did. It was an icy world so unless there were massive amounts of resources then there wouldn’t be much reason to bother. Especially when the Talz had wiped out the droid base on the planet. Without a resource or tactical reason to stay, there would be no reason for him to want to commit soldiers to the planet. And if there were resources then Palpatine would’ve intervened with some claim of “helping the republic with needed materials” or something similar.

[@zexalbrony4799]

Exactly. If they needed to relocate the Patorains to the planet because they lost there's or there was some valuable resources on the planet that could help end the war and thus save lives, then the chairman would have had a decent reason to want the planet, because in both cases it's about the survival of his and many other people, although, that still wouldn't justify him harming and trying to kill all the Talz, since this is still there home and even if they needed the planet to help others survive they should still be respectful and try to come to a compromise with the Talz because they shouldn't extinct there species just to save another that is wrong, but the thing is there isn't any reason to take the Talz planet, there's nothing of value there. So the chairman really should have left the innocent Talz alone.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

Maybe (and I'm not saying this was right, I'm just trying to see things from his point of view) he was paranoid about an attack on Pantora and thought that since (TO HIS KNOWLEDGE) Orto Plutonia was uninhabited but very close to Pantora, it would be the perfect place to build a base so that war didn't come to the world he was responsible for protecting. Ordo Plutonia was a stop gap and the Chairman would have been angry no matter who destroyed the base, too angry to recognize anyone's legitimate claim to Orto Plutonia except that of the Pantorans. Again, not defending his point of view, just trying to contemplate it.

[@wtpiv6041]

@@jagnestormskull3178 I get that. And I would say that if the planet was uninhabited, and to them it was, it would make sense for an outpost to look for the separatists. Which to their credit, the separatists were on the planet too. It was more to do with his insisting that they stay after the confederacy was wiped out by the Talz that confused me. It was a barren world with hostile locals who had proven they weren’t in league with the separatists. So there would be no reason to bother with it. His stance just made little to no sense in the episode and that was what I was referring to.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

@@wtpiv6041 His viewpoint was incorrect, but it was presented consistently with the themes of TCW and the wider Star Wars galaxy - the things that people believe are necessary to advance their cause allow their anger to blind them. The Chairman was a victim of this; so were Barris, Saw, and Pre Vizsla. The Chairman is caught in an endless cycle of people being blinded by rage, but that does not mean that we should not attempt to understand *why* he is angry; there can be no counseling without understanding.

[@Mourtzouphlos240]

Some people just like stealing from someone.

[@Thumbnailsquid5767]

Really liked the real world parallel to Battle of Little Bighorn!! Love when you do videos like this.

[@kernowpictures2002]

Not really though it’s more Zulus aboriginals Maori and Indians 🇮🇳 resisting the British oppressors

[@marshalllatta2073]

This episode was so dope this episode would always reminds me of that movie Avatar

[@geetslys]

Hmmm, I may have to rewatch Avatar.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

I would rather watch A: TLA instead.

[@olafgurke4699]

@@michaelandreipalon359 Both. Both is good.

[@minicle426]

@@michaelandreipalon359 What, the movie? :p

[@CollinMcLean]

@@minicle426 Not sure if he means James Cameron's Avatar or the live action The Last Airbender movie... If he means The Last Airbender movie then I vote in favor of banishment...

[@kernowpictures2002]

The most shocking of all it was depicted as a single Lego set in 2010

[@CollinMcLean]

Colonialism Or as the British called it, foreign relations But seriously though, as an American I'm pretty familiar with how we tend to glorify or equivocate aspects of our history. Our time in South and Central America during the Cold War being prime examples.

[@wyattmcgee1]

We saved those regions from Communism. Not the same as invading and enslaving a foreign people. A better comparison would be our actions against Hawaii, Puerto Rico, or the Philippines.

[@CollinMcLean]

​@@wyattmcgee1 We didn't save them from Communism. We used communism as a scare tactic to lobby for CIA backed operations to depose many democratically elected governments in the area and destabilize numerous countries. Often putting in place our own Dictators who had a tendency to be extremely brutal and repressive of the people and the USA in turn got to reap the profits from exploitation of South and Central American labor. And that's just the immediate destruction we caused, that doesn't get into numerous other domestic and foreign policy choices we made that served to plunge the vibro-knife even deeper into the regions.

[@timthewarlord2304]

But chairman is a perfect example of Napoleons quote “ one should not fear powerful enemies but incompetent allies”

[@thenewkalpa]

Major respect for you after watching this video. I already loved your videos and the very unique, real takes about the politics of SW that other channels pretend isn't there, and this video solidified my respect for this channel. Best SW KZbin content ever.

[@tjanderson5892]

As a black man myself, saying many suffer from colonialism to this day confuses me a bit. How so? I know that many many more today benefit from colonialism. Minorities in particular. Although it may not have been great in the short term around the world for those being colonized, in the long run I feel that it’s obvious to say that it has benefited nearly everyone. Not perfect by any means, but considering how conflict ,conquer, and defeat are all aspect of human nature, the fact that the outcome led to what it has today is actually an extremely rare blessing that ppl never will be, but should be thankful for.

[@chrissimmons8660]

That’s what I was thinking. History isn’t made up of stories that are perfectly good vs evil. It’s not all black and white, there’s a gray area in between throughout all of history. Every civilization has done similar things (to what is portrayed in the episode) at one time or another. That doesn’t make it all okay, but that’s just the fact of the matter. We wouldn’t be where we are today without what happened in the past, both the good and bad. Our job in the present is to learn from the past in order to repeat the good, and not repeat the bad.

[@Nephalem2002]

….Your fully aware the First Nations people of both Canada and the USA are still being heavily screwed over by our Governments due to the fact the governments still don’t consider them people.

[@davidjoelsson4929]

@@Nephalem2002 and i thought voting for democrats would make a difference

[@ramendragon3628]

Why would I ever forget an episode with Riyo Chuchi in It?

[@omegon2540]

America: no you can’t make native Americans hero’s and settlers villains Star Wars:ok Also Star Wars: makes trespasser anyways

[@ColemanTheShiningStar]

What…? Dude Disney clearly runs America

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Senator chuchi is one of the better senators in the republic.

[@zexalbrony4799]

A real under-appreciated and under-represented character. Hope we see more of her, maybe in the bad batch. Also, she is pretty cute. :)

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@@zexalbrony4799 maybe

[@SpartanChief17C]

Lol I always had a crush on her as a kid. Something about that south-African accent

[@kernowpictures2002]

Either she joined the rebellion or was executed as a traitor by the ISB

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@@kernowpictures2002 possibly

[@KrypticElement]

It's a bummer that Trespass was the only episode in TCW that had Clone Cold Assault Armor

[@charlieturk2146]

the last stand reminded me more of roorkes drift personally

[@goosnavslakovic4908]

I disagree, I think the media nowadays heavily blasts colonialism more than it needs to. And although I definitely see many older movies glorifying the push west in North America, it is of note that the relations between the colonists and native tribes were a mixed bag. Each individual colony and each individual tribe were different and interacted differently. Many contacts were peaceful, as well as neutral, and hostile. Not every contact was as depicted in the CW episode, although it did happen at an unnecessarily high rate. The episode was fantastic though and handled an imperialist mentality very realistically, and held the South Africa parallel.

[@BDubbyy]

This episode is why I never rooted for Rex. Dude deserves to pay for his crimes and he will never be a hero for what he did to the Talz.

[@enviousgaming3250]

this was one of my favorite epispodes of the show i felt a lot of emotions in it

[@terrencemoldern2756]

“Trying to say both sides are terrible...” and you say that is bad? All the native tribes who made war with each other, wiped out animal species and even practiced canibalism: “Uhhh yeah see you western invaders are the bad guys...” This episode is good in that it shows the act of actively colonizing isn’t in of itself a good thing. Context is important and in this instance the indigenous people are right... but in real life. That is far from the case in many instances.

[@blugaledoh2669]

Yeah I thoughts the same. Sometime the indigenous in our history did some questionable thing whether it is meant to be defensive or not.

[@terrencemoldern2756]

@@blugaledoh2669 precisely. It’s fine to acknowledge when people do bad. But quite literally every group of people have... the glorification of the indigenous people of America and South America is just so glamorized and ignorant of actual history. Many tribes having committed horrific atrocities, destroyed the wilds and in general just killing each other. Not saying there wasn’t good tribes... it’s just the same as how not every colonial was evil too. Context is important though and it’s especially messed up to try and act like it is somehow wrong to show realistic truths in this. There certainly are times where one side is morally right over the other. But in many more. The vast majority, no... both were quite honestly wrong in their own ways... after all this is the past we are talking about. Things from the past are often seen as wrong in today’s eyes...

[@gibiuswrecks5215]

I think what Geetsly is trying to say isn’t that one side has clean hands, but that it is incorrect to use one people’s perceived flaws to partially excuse or alleviate the evil of colonialism. It’s not wrong because the victims are innocent, the assertion is that the act of colonization at the expense of indigenous peoples is wrong. At least that’s how I’m seeing it

[@blugaledoh2669]

@@gibiuswrecks5215 If he is comparing this episode to the colonization era. It should be noted from the early modern period conquest weren't unusual and accepted practice. There was a code of conduct but conquest weren't seen as deplorable. The early English settlers on the America weren't invading Native American lands as most native died from old world disease leaving many unused lands. And lands were purchased from the natives rather than conquer in the 17th century.

[@xlastxonex666]

Well Atchually... Colonialism Edition.

[@jdpragmatic8644]

I didn’t forget this episode, this was one of my favorites from season one.

[@LiliaArmoury]

when people claim disney made star wars all political because it made a woman and a black man main characters in the sequels while at the same time destroying everything the heroes of the original trilogy worked to build in a matter of minutes in jj's film then painting out that the new republic allowed slavery in TLJ, meanwhile clone wars had a serious discussions about colonialism, corruption, financial domination, false flags and more

[@yourlocaltoad5102]

The weird part is that Disney actually made Star Wars less political, but that’s often overlooked because Disney often does things that are deemed to be „identity politics“ (like them casting a women and a black man or them renaming the Slave 1). Apparently people don’t think that political things are political as long as they can be easily ignored without conflicting one’s own political views.

[@ogre7699]

Still a little bit irked that we didn't see more about the Pantorans after their two respective arcs. Chuchi was a favourite of mine, and would've loved to have seen more from them.

[@Reluctantly_Adulting]

This is how mature adults and talented creatives handle sensitive topics. We need more story telling like this, and not the sophomoric heavy-handed virtue signaling of more contemporary media.

[@Mate397]

With all due respect but why should people today feel bad about what folks did centuries ago? The people today had nothing to do with those events, same goes for those who try to justify their unjust demands because they might be related to the group that was under colonial rule. History exists to learn from it, not to have a childish finger pointing about who should be blamed for what.

[@CaptainPrincess]

because the consequences of the past dont just go away and the only right thing to do is fix it to wave your hands and say "I dont gotta care I had nothing to do with it" is the real childish view get over yourself and face the fact that real people today are still suffering under the consequences of what long dead assholes did, and help fix it

[@Mate397]

@@CaptainPrincess So what? Some folks who THINK are qulaified for the victimhood status get to bully others into submission based on heritage? Funny you talk about consequences yet those who abuse the guilt tripping of others are always avoid being held responsible for their disgusting actions. I love this mentality of "oh my people were under the rule of your people 400 years ago, now give me all you have worked for or else." Take a fucking number pal (you can't name a single nation/ethnic group that didn't do something bad in its history), as I said, this turns into a childish finger pointing and blame-game playing. Also how is it fair to punish the son for the sins of the father hm? Or are you one of those numbskulls who thinks that guilt can be passed down through genes (along with victimhood)?

[@geoffreyprecht2410]

@@Mate397 Maybe people should just help each other to make the world a better place and allow people a more even playing field to live the life they want to live. These people don't "think they qualify for victimhood status." They are the victims of actions that happened before they were born. That's beyond anyone's control now, but what we can control is our ability to help other people who need help. Isn't that the whole point of human civilization? As a person in a position of privilege, with the ability to help a significant portion of the population, it's your ethical responsibility to help those people. That's what society is supposed to be about. Please understand your privilege, but don't feel guilty for being dealt a good hand in life. Just use those cards as best you can. If the opportunity arises to use your privilege to protect others who don't have such luxuries, then you can still use your position for good. Do so. It makes you a better human being.

[@Mate397]

@@geoffreyprecht2410 Wouldn't that be nice? Having the hand holding kumbaya around the fireplace thing huh? Humanity is imperfect and that can't be changed with a snap of a finger. And yes I will say that there are those who THINK they are victims when in reality they are not. (Literally look at any of the so called "peaceful protests") Also I don't know where you got your idea of human civilization/society from but it sounds very manipulative. Especially how you sheepishly keep parroting this "privilege" nonsense. You don't know anything about me yet you assume I hold any kind of power over others when I don't. You either don't know what the word means or you are very aware of what you are doing and trying to do what I was talking about, trying to guilt trip me, which isn't working let me tell you.

[@pennyforyourthots]

Except that people of today do have something to do with those events because it still happens and we still benefit from it. The same countries that we colonized we still use for cheap manufacturing labor or go to war with to prevent them competing with us economically. We use prison labor as literal slave labor, and criminalizing menial behavior in order to keep the prisons full for profit. We overthrow democratically elected governments to suit our interests, and in the case of the Native Americans, they are literally denied the rights and freedoms of most American citizens by law, and the same thing is true for most people that live in the territories of the former colonizer Nations. And all that aside, what is the point of learning from history if we're not going to fix the problems that we recognize it caused? You don't have to feel guilty about it to recognize that you very much benefit from it having happened and taking steps to rectify that. Even if you're not responsible, you're still complicit in it happening.

[@karlmarx4647]

Nice Episode. One of my favourites. To be honest, I somewhat empathize with chairman cho, even if it might sound wrong at the first glance. Yes, he was a colonialist, someone who did not view the Talz as sentients, but he himself was a sentient with deep beliefs which had a reason/basis/ground.

[@cameronbutler7395]

Woah Karl Marx coming in hard with the nuance! I’d like twice if I could.

[@joldsaway3489]

He’s a more interesting character than people tend to remember. This was a period in the republic where it had already lost its ways from thousands of years ago. Living his whole life to protect Pantora, there’s no doubt he’d take exception to these (possibly violent) creatures living in the planetary equivalent of the planet’s backyard. Unfortunately, his unwillingness to communicate and understand them was his downfall

[@zexalbrony4799]

You are right about Cho. I mean he's still a dick and I defiantly don't agree with what he did to the Talz, but he does genuinely care about his people and wants to do what is best for them to keep them safe. We saw when the first of his Guards was killed during the Battle the genuine sadness on his face at his fallen Patoran. And when he's talking to Chuchi about how he's willing to die to save and serve his people. He's genuinely committed to helping his planet and people. In many ways, he's a lot like many of those who served the Empire, as most of them were decent people who genuinely wanted to help their people and thought this was the best way to do so. But as Chuchi showed us, there's more than one way to help, serve, and save your people, and in this case, Cho's method was very clearly the wrong one. People like Cho need to learn to not be so stubborn and set in the beliefs, as there is often more than one way to solve a problem and do what is best and right to help those you care about.

[@joldsaway3489]

ZexalBrony479 He was a product of a changing galaxy, though not for the better clearly. What’s most tragic about his character is he almost considers his death a heroic sacrifice, while those around him are almost filled with contempt

[@alynames7171]

I really appreciate the deliberate care taken in this analysis to explicitly point out the horrors of colonialism. Looking at the comments here, there's definitely a small but vocal part of the community who don't understand this and think anything less than a sadistic, Palpatine-style villain deserves to be placed on close-to-even footing with those they exploit and brutalize, as if having some sort of profit motive justifies occupation, enslavement, or even genocide. This is an area where the spectre of nuance is used to equivocate between struggles for freedom from tyranny and the tyrants' desire for personal gain. It's a sophomoric deployment of the notion of "grey areas" at best and has serious repercussions on our collective understanding of history, and thus on our views and actions going forward, when left uncontested. So thank you for treating this topic with the seriousness it deserves.

[@kyledonahue9315]

I don’t believe that anyone here is arguing that profit motives justify genocide; thats a comically absurd statement. The purpose of these sort of discussions is to highlight overlooked perspectives that problematize popular discourses surrounding colonialism, which almost invariably devolve into caricatures of “primitive” tribespeople fighting a war of liberation against an all-powerful external force. The narratives surrounding the Spanish colonization of Mexico is a classic example. Prior to the arrival of Europeans, many different ethnicities and tribes lived in that region of the Americas, with the Aztecs being only one group among many. With the emergence of the modern Mexican nation in the 19th century however, there was a concerted effort among intellectuals to construct a historical narrative that matched the national identity. This resulted in a sort of “flattening out” of historical memory, wherein modern ideas of sovereignty and unity were read back into events in which they previously did not exist. Whereas in reality the Aztecs were toppled by coalition of native tribes led by a small number of Spaniards, the narrative instead became one of the “subjugation” of Mexico by colonizing invaders, only for said oppressors to be defeated once and for all by the victorious revolutionaries during the 19th century. A compelling story perhaps, but it simply isn’t true. This, I think, is what a lot of the comments you’re referencing are referring to.

[@fumarc4501]

I instantly thought of the Battle of Little Bighorn when I saw this episode. I was very happy that while Obi Wan couldn’t understand, we was observant and smart enough to try. While Anakin’s attempt was childish, it also required a willingness to try and the effort was also appreciated.

[@admiralinvertebrate5649]

Near the end of the episode, Chairman Cho does actually try to get Senator Chuchi and the clone troopers to, and I quote, “Destroy the Talz”

[@silverfoxdelta290]

as if the republic is one to talk when it comes to colonialism.

[@jaspertaylor2810]

Well yeah, that's the point, especially considering Pantora is among the most influential systems of the entire Republic.

[@jacobhuff3748]

I never saw the episode in this light but I've always wondered what happened after the Clone wars. Giving our history(as a species) in this subject trade came before Colonialism was implemented(a lot faster in the new world but over 5,000 years of isolation from the old world and different environment and animals that generally caused a different path for societal development). Personally I think this view over simplifies and moralizes the issue of Colonialism and doesn't put any thought into the long term ramifications for such a decision. I'm not blaming the writers since this episode only provides a snapshot into the clone wars. I'm not one to condone the atrocities of any group but I also see humanity sometimes unbridled ambitions as being part of the reason why we progress so quickly for good and bad but thanks for giving me something to dwell upon.

[@noahmatos8760]

The 501st and the galactic Marines working together will be very cool for this episode

[@jj_grabes]

This is what I feel a modern media is missing these days: they tell rather than show.

[@GoryGlory]

This was a nice episode. As for the topic of colonization, I personally believe that there's a right way and wrong way. This is an example of the wrong, but that doesn't mean the idea of colonization as a whole should be treated as a bad thing. The idea of expanding to new areas is something that should be handled one a case by case basis.

[@alphacentauri3069]

It’s not a delicate handling. It’s just the stereotypes of the whole discussion with next to no subtlety

[@CommanderStarr298]

A very thoughtful episode. No matter if most fans forgot about this one. I curtainly did not. even when I was a kid. A very important lesson.

[@SpaceMonkeyBoi]

I wonder if a similar video can be made about the Tuskans

[@noahpaquet8357]

On the topic of settler colonialism, what are people supposed to do when their ancestors emigrated to a country that partook in these atrocities? My ancestors were Italian and French Canadian. Yet I'm expected to apologize and grovel for something neither I nor my ancestors partook in? How can that be construed as fair?

[@starofalltime]

It's also not fair for the ancestors of those that suffered those atrocities to live in decades of strife and conflict because of what your ancestors did. For example even though the white people of this generation didn't write Jim Crowe laws or segregation laws in the USA, you can't simply ignore decades of death, abuse, and mistreatment. If you claim to not be like those that came before you, prove it. Fix the past by changing the present. Don't grovle at anyone's feet. No one realistically wants that, but also don't just sit there doing nothing to help fix an issue if you're able to especially if the effects of the past can still be felt to this day. Idk.

[@noahpaquet8357]

@@starofalltime why does the present need to change?! The change already happened thanks to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr, and Malcom X. How much more change do people want before whites become the ones in chains? Why do people always have to put someone else down in order to lift themselves up? Huh?! Explain that to me!

[@gibiuswrecks5215]

No majority of people is saying white people should be “chained,” though I will not deny that some people make such remarks. To say that this is the outcome of reparative actions or social awareness is a most absurd example of the slippery slope fallacy. Great leaders like Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela, along with their followers have pioneered great change and made people equal in the letter of the law, which has been a great step forward. In the present day the necessary changes are primarily social, rather than legal: it’s about acknowledging the negative effects of our ancestor’s actions, and recognizing both the benefits we’ve reaped and the harms still felt by others. It’s important because people are still affected by the past today, something that should be understood and remedied. How much more change do people want? Most do not want the roles reversed, as you seem to have been led to believe. They want to be regarded as equals in more than just the legal sense: things like the way certain groups are depicted in our television and movies, or identifiable disparities. The present always needs to change for us to move towards a better future; so it has been for all time, and so it is now. I used to hold the same stance as you, but I’ve realized over the years that nothing gets better if we pretend to be living in Heaven on Earth and treat anyone who suggests otherwise as a threat.

[@noahpaquet8357]

@@gibiuswrecks5215 for starters the "whites in chains" statement I made was an intentional exaggeration in order to illustrate how progressivism tends to lead towards radical and extreme ends. Secondly I understand some of what you said and find myself puzzled by some other points. For instance, what do mean by "the harms still felt by others"? I don't understand why anyone born after 2000 would care about what happened in the past, especially such events as American or European slavery, beyond any academic interest. From my humble and limited perspective, anyone who would bring up such ancient history to enact change is doing so to cause trouble. Society already frowns upon racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. I fail to understand what further need for any change, social or otherwise, our society needs. Especially when there are malevolent factions abroad who openly mock and ignore these same principles.

[@rossbuzzell3439]

I find it interesting that with this episode it’s supposed to be an example of American expansion when the accents of the Pentaran people are due to an offshoot of the British accent from when they were a literal global empire and had control over most the globe and were still vying for more up until the mid 1900’s when they only gave up the lands they’d conquered when forced to.

[@WorldWeave]

I remember when I was rewatching this episode with my parents, and everyone time Cho was on screen, I was just thinking “can you die faster?! I know you don’t survive this episode”

[@VibrantVioletVisions]

This is such an important video thank you!

[@lordnazar6382]

It's a pity that the republic outpost was attacked. And that was a thing that was bad, of the Talz. But the Sepratists attacked the Talz, and in response the Talz fought back. It is more than likely that they had mistaken that Republic Outpost as a CIS outpost instead. So yeah, the Talz did a bad thing, but at the same time i can't blame them.

[@LordVader1094]

FINALLY someone is giving this episode the respect it deserves! It's one of my top favorite episodes of the whole show.

[@christophermills7693]

things ot note: when one side does and the other side does it back, nobody is innocent of it and both are just as bad. Empires rise and fall. they do so all the time.

[@Mourtzouphlos240]

This is actually settled International Law. The one who does it first is in the wrong. Robert H Jackson: “To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”

[@christophermills7693]

@@Mourtzouphlos240 I was meaning the scalping done in the SW us since the title was on colonial. one side started it, the other did it back. But face it, it is not the worst thing we humans did to each other.

[@timgersh6787]

what you for get was how the tals were like American Indians on the western front they were big on raiding American settlements, they figure we were doin fine back east and had little need to push west, which was true enough

[@revdaddy6934]

This is one of my favorite episodes in the entire show. And that is saying something. The politics in it intrigued me, and the very brief combat actually felt real. Like something that can happen, because it has happened. It's a beautiful episode and has a very important message behind it I think we can all learn from

[@bennettsteifman8632]

Great video. This is why I love this show.

[@l_chaos_l]

It looks more like British colonialism, not American wars with natives

[@techares4233]

Great Video bro.

[@investedfilly7909]

It really was a brilliant arc

[@Mycernius_]

When watching this episode me and my buddies acknowledged that all the clones had a very Similar design on their armor to Captain Rex and so spent the entire time screaming "REX NOOO!" or something similar everytime a clone died

[@GhostWarrior334]

As a child I loved this episode. I sort of fell in love with the design of the talz too. As a kid I never fully understood the message but to this day its an episode I always remember

[@MrShoki44]

There was no extractable resources on Orto Plutonia which was the main reason for colonisation here on Earth, so no I dont think the show handled the topic realistic.

[@The7thFleet]

I love this series you’re doing

[@michaelandreipalon359]

I personally would want middle ground moments in my stories. Never a fan of withdrawing from any territory, mostly due to keeping watch, doing research, exploration values, that sort of thing... and the fact that I abhor isolationist mumbo jumbo. Still, this arc did well with its option of making the Talz mostly win.

[@zexalbrony4799]

I don't want to try and start anything, especially because I like you Michael, but I would like to point out a major flaw in the whole "not withdrawing from any territory" which is why several people don't like it. It's the same thing the Empire did after the end of The Clone Wars, their troops were supposed to pull out after the war was over and allow the planets and their people to be free and go back to their lives, but instead, they kept their troops on the planets leading to many people on various planets, Kashyyyk, Ryloth, and so on getting mad and fighting back because this is their home and now that the war is over the Empire has no right to be here, like Howzer told his men the war is over so they have to leave the planet to the people.

[@KK-eu9so]

It is right and logical that the more technology advanced society eliminates the lesser.

[@40KBoss]

Based

[@ColemanTheShiningStar]

Based that’s how the universe is

[@alwalidianyt4559]

What a coincidence, I was binging clone wars season 1 last night and this arc was the last one that I have watched

[@justincooper1342]

This is one of my favorite episodes in the series, and I'm glad to see it given the respect it deserves:)

[@jamiewalsh3349]

A really good episode. Definitely in my top 10 favourite season 1 episodes

[@chaosunleashed274]

There's one huge detail that made the conclusion of this episode more feasible: none of the trespassers identified themselves as natives of Orto Plutonia and politically independent from any other worlds, and the fact the trespassers were few in numbers only made the full retreat easier. There were Republic forces, Separatist forces and Pantorans among the trespassers, but no Pantorans born in Orto Plutonia that identified themselves as "Orto Plutonians". That may not seem like a big deal at first, but it would be way harder for millions of "Pantoran Plutonians" to pack their things up and go back to a world they weren't born into, had probably never been to, and felt no political loyalty towards, than for a few Pantorans to simply go back to Pantora. Transferring that analogy to the U.S., giving it back to Native Americans would be tough in the early 18th century and impossible in the late 18th century: it would already be hard for loyalists born in the British colonies to "go back" to a UK they had never been to before in their lives, but after the American Revolution it would be downright unbearable for patriots to beg the Royal Navy to "take them back" to the UK after fighting a war to earn their independence from it just to then get laughed at and ostracized all over the British Isles for generations. Needless to say, virtually every competent Navy in existence would refuse to relocate the overwhelming majority of non-Whites anywhere, free or not, and slaves would just get sold out to the Spanish in the Caribbean or the Portuguese in South America at reduced prices. The keyword here is time, as time goes by the conclusion of this episode becomes less and less feasible in real life.

[@jdstudios1912]

I think its quite interesting how the events of this episode resulted in the talls spreading out into the galaxy to the point where we see them on tatooine on episode 4

[@LordWyatt]

*Emperor Palpatine: (sips tea) Round two. Execute order 67. Grand Moff Tarkin: It will be done My Lord.

[@thewheelybinguy]

Great video love this channel

[@LiliaArmoury]

trespass is one of my favorite season one episodes