how crit hacking was stopped in tf2 (& how crit hacking still kinda works today)

[@shounic]

FAQ: hey watch these two videos i made before this video if you have a question, your question is almost definitely answered already: ~~ the random crits series ~~ 1. how it works, very technically: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKupmmOfe9R_pbc 2. fake crits: kzbin.info/www/bejne/manZgIKorq6fsMU none of what i said here applies to melee weapons (except the command number thing) so they still just crit like mad 🙃 personal thoughts: finally: video 3/3 on random crits. the topics covered in these 3 videos were originally meant to be one video, but i hope you can now see it was practically impossible to somehow fit them all into one video. (at least i don't think it was possible to make it a good video trying to jam so much into it) i'll acknowledge this video is a little awkward because i kinda say mostly the same stuff as before but idk, i don't think there was a perfect compromise i could've gone for. either way, hope the random crits research was useful :)

[@somerandomguyintheinternet]

Like a sentry getting sapped by the red tape recorder

[@suckmysilencer747]

So would that explain why bots always crit with melee but never do with primary weapons? Thanks Volvo

[@seannosoup]

1😑

[@bryannaing6316]

I was about to ask about how a Medic crits with his ubersaw so much, but I guess this answers it

[@CoolJosh3k]

So is there any kind of anti cheating measures for melee? Does the “lottery ticket” duplication apply to everything, or still melee is excluded?

[@UncleDane]

TF2 is such a complex game, even the random crits have lore.

[@macomputersuck]

Ankle Dane is a very gud engi main

[@ombricshalazar3869]

didn't know uncle dane was a shounic viewer

[@robertkiestov3734]

YOU WILL NEVER BE A WOMAN

[@Aux__]

XDDD

[@Jaytic]

Uncle Dane is not real

[@-Raylight]

"This is a crit bucket" "Dear GOD" *"There's more"* *_"NO"_*

[@amebee709]

Why r u everywhere

[@Have_some_plasma]

Where'd you grab that pfp? It's nice

[@skhighglitch4217]

It contains the killing crit of every man in this comment section...

[@anthonycheung3610]

Wow i see you everywhere

[@anthonycheung3610]

@@amebee709 Exactly what i was thinking!

[@TKsh1]

I'll never forget the first time I realized crit hacking was a thing when I died with 5 crit rockets in a row from the same enemy player. It just works.

[@sullivann]

That isnt possible… there is a crit cooldown on projectile weapons and no crit cooldown on melee weapons Thats what the crit bucket is did you even watch the video?

[@sullivann]

Trust me I know 😉…

[@balt.]

@@sullivann it got fixed, it wasn't there from the start

[@hi-i-am-atan]

@@sullivann affirmative. i will trust you with absolutely nothing

[@lmn_godie2598]

@@sullivann happened to me, not instantly witch each life though like you're assuming, he targeted me because I was the mvp so whenever I found him he would just crit me, taunt and bind ez, like, he would be hidden until he could re-use the crit cheat again and then show up, happened in every encounter with him

[@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate]

I love how the graph implies cheaters are not humans lmao

[@Banshee523]

well to be fair, at this point most of the ones you see are not

[@winnis149]

They dont deserve to be

[@a_paperweight]

That's because they aren't

[@vyor8837]

@@GeeCee-pv7ik ok cheater

[@TrueForm]

@@GeeCee-pv7ik glad we can agree

[@maninham1]

Not sure if Id rather face crappy aimbots or crithackers

[@bromachrome]

Same, but both at once would be a nightmare

[@aq_ua]

crits for sure, at least they can miss...

[@moronribbons5774]

I'd prefer the crappy aimbots, because at least those don't constantly pussy up behind a whole silent party on their team and pull the "oh im totally not hacking" shit

[@snackermantm105]

But they never miss melee crits.

[@arthurdong8216]

Vaccine beats both

[@Jmcgee1125]

I feel like an easier, and more funny, way to discover when the anti-crit stuff was added would be to check cheater forums and look for the crying babies.

[@imgladnotu9527]

The tf2 scene is way smaller than you think. And even then you would rather just get query posts.

[@Kreko_]

the current crithack source code has already been made public by senator (a cheat developer) on unknowcheats which is a popular cheating forums. Valve could patch it but valve is lazy.

[@Jmcgee1125]

@@imgladnotu9527 In 2013, TF2 had ~70,000 concurrent players according to steamcharts. Not exactly small. The hacking scene might have been small, yes. At any rate, I was mostly making a joke. Checking the convars is a lot more consistent and won't require digging, just knowledge that it's there.

[@robertkiestov3734]

Cope and sneed

[@Kreko_]

@@robertkiestov3734 ur cheat is pasted

[@scoutgaming737]

I once met a crithacking heavy on 2fort, except he was only using the holiday punch. He roamed his base, terrorising anyone who got inside

[@thegodofalldragons]

Best hacker.

[@fink_rat]

Favorite type of cheaters who do it just to be funny and not annoying. Like spinners who just pretend to be beyblades

[@Mincedrafts]

I did too but he was terrorizing our spawn

[@pikabrun]

​@@fink_ratthat its not a cheat you just put +left or +right in the console

[@grumpykitten4566]

@@pikabrunYou still need something to cancel out your own camera movement to move normally. Try not looking like you're drunk while rotating in one direction.

[@roadie7629]

So the scene with Spy, Soldier and bucket, where Spy gives Soldier *the* look, is actually Spy realising that Soldier is possibly a cheater, since he is a bit afraid of the new bucket mechanic that could prevent him from having fun New lore

[@roadie7629]

Probably the look that the Spy gives is his confusion: "does Soldier understand the anti-crit-cheating implementation or not?"

[@fattylugia]

this is canon, i cannot be convinced otherwise now

[@shounic]

now that valve has forsaken us, it does make sense to make our own lore while we're at it right

[@blizzard2508-k7n]

"There's more" is the other mechanisms. The dying wishes are the last things to be updated before dying.

[@TinyDeskEngineer]

@@blizzard2508-k7n After what dying, The game, the players, or the developers?

[@scattergun]

Can't imagine a tf2 where crit chance was 2.5x what it is now

[@CoolJosh3k]

Math doesn’t quite work like that. Plus there are other factors.

[@EvlNinjadude]

@@CoolJosh3k Math... works exactly like that. If you're talking about the bonus buildup from dealing non-crit damage, then say that

[@ChicaneryBear]

It was a lil easier to get critted, but there were much fewer weapons in the game so it was still less chaotic.

[@imitatsiya]

I only want to imagine a tf2 where crit chance is 0%

[@bruschetta7711]

Melee is guaranteed crit at that point

[@snackermantm105]

Remember, avoid getting melee cheaters or bots , they always do melee CRITS everytime.

[@bruhmettinmomentogullar4215]

i love de-moralise them with caber tho lol. Whenever i pull oneoff they tend to go ape shit

[@LuizDahoraavida]

@@bruhmettinmomentogullar4215 how do you demoralize a robot

[@dooplon5083]

@@LuizDahoraavida OP literally said _melee cheaters_ or bots, meaning human hackers were included in the grouping. The reply makes sense, you can demoralize human hackers, lol.

[@LuizDahoraavida]

@@dooplon5083 very well

[@dooplon5083]

@B O ꓭ I think the real reason you don't play is because nobody wants to deal with that attitude of yours, lol. Seriously, how you managed to get offended over an utterly benign comment like OP's is beyond me.

[@lilquirkylol]

I remember me and my friend were playing in Doublecross and we died to the same Soldier by random crits every single time. The team kicked him, only to realize that someone looked at his profile, stating he was actually part of a pro highlander team. lol

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

Well, it does not matter now. Even the greatest of players can cheat and does so.

[@mrrooter601]

@@Flamme-Sanabi "pros" cheating is nothing new, happens all the time. same deal as having an unusual not proving you arent a cheater.

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

@@mrrooter601same thing as speedrunners cheating to get the best times.

[@honignoname98]

@@Flamme-Sanabi it was just a DREAM

[@bruschetta7711]

Worst thing is that at least, prior to the CRIT BUCKET mechanic, it was easy to tell if someone was cheating or not, now you would honestly need to watch a replay to tell if someone is just extremely lucky or cheating Not that it would matter, Crit hackers these days wouldn't be kicked just like the bots, but in Community server it could be a problem

[@eljackso]

I remember finding a crit hacker with an australium force a nature a few months ago. It was really annoying because it was on control points and nobody except me noticed until I pointed out the killfeed.

[@cryosthesia77k69]

That's why I hate aussie's sometimes, they don't allow you to see if someone got a crit kill or not

[@eljackso]

@@cryosthesia77k69 I legitimately had to check command console to figure out if all of the scout's kills were crits

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

I once got suspicious of someone getting too many crits reaching the top of the leaderboard. I called the person out and they quit from the server a few seconds later. I wasn't even sure at the time xD

[@sirchris6047]

Could have been Crit a cola

[@eljackso]

@@sirchris6047 There was no effect on the force a nature iirc. And the Crit a Cola Mini Crits too

[@crimsonDestroyer]

I just love that the devs added an internal game mechanic and officially called it "the critical bucket".

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

And then shounic called it a wallet.

[@kapa_nitori]

@@admiraltonydawning3847 and then i called it a cup

[@UH-60_Blackhawk]

@@kapa_nitori i call it aluminum can

[@cowthedestroyer]

Its really common to tell when someone is crit hacking if you already suspect them of hacking. They tend not to waste crits on shots that wouldnt kill you but the second you can be one shot with them they smack you with one. Nothing better then watching a brain dead scout destroying your entire team because every kill shot was a crit. No idea why but scouts always seem to be the ones crit hacking now. Maybe other classes are but its just harder to notice among the normal random shits.

[@vyor8837]

Had an engie do it in one game. Thankfully the other team believed us and kicked him

[@Gormathius]

I'd guess the mobility simply makes them the most powerful crit hackers.

[@hemingwaybromfield3722]

I thought about it: Soldier, Demo - projectiles can be countered by airblast/shortcircuit Medic, Sniper, Spy - crits of little benefit Heavy - too slow Pyro - range too short Engie - too obvious, does most damage through sentry Scout - most mobile, hitscan, least obvious, hardest to counter

[@JetstreamSam343]

Scouts, Soldiers and Heavies are the ones I find crit hacking the most

[@killzorful]

I like how the cheater isn't considered human.

[@Voc_spooksauce]

1:00 Hey just wanted to mention that i love these lil messages you leave in videos, and the ones who give more comedic examples to explain what you're talking about, specially since the narration is nice and serious, but the editing contrasts it by being more joke-based. Great work as always, cheers from Brazil ! And i dunno if it sounded like it, but when i mention that the narration is more serious and explanatory i'm not complaining, it explains everything well, and when you actually do say a joke while narrating it's even more special

[@firefoxtf2998]

Hey! I made a post about this on reddit but here's some ways to spot hackers (coming from someone who's spent 500+ hours doing so): If they're using an automatic weapon and stop firing the SECOND they will you, it's super likely they're cheating; their aimbot stops detecting a target and refuses to fire. If you walk up behind someone using an aimbot, sometimes it'll glitch out and they'll aim straight up. Recently, I've been noticing that scouts will fuck with their interp (or something. I've never done it) to get both of their force-a-nature shots to fire at the same time. If they do this, it's likely they're using some other cheat as well. Melee crits have a 15% chance of happening, which happens to be pretty common. If you spectate someone swinging their melee for a long time and they don't roll a random crit, and they're already suspicious, they're likely cheating. Soldiers, Demos, and other projectile classes have special aimbots that predict player movement. I wont get into detail, but there are some moves you can do to expose a projectile aimbot, like walking into corners without actually going across the corner. If a rocket shows up where you were likely to go every time, it's likely they're not legit. Cheaters are likely to be offensive. Not everyone who Is offensive is a cheater obviously, but people who are a bit too defensive when they're called out are usually cheating. If their name is different from their steam name, most of the time, they're changing their name on their client, which requires cheating software. Scouts that use both force-a-nature shots consecutively without waiting for their aim to adjust are sometimes cheaters. It takes time to see if they're not just good at aiming, but it's pretty obvious sometimes. Snipers that have a tendency to no scope bodyshot players who are ONLY low on health tend to be cheaters unless their team is communicating effectively. Sometimes, players will abuse the scotman's skullcutter's random crits and the tide Turner to mask their 'random' crits. This is easy to spot if you ask your team if they've been getting killed by crits too. Is that player always getting melee crits? Approach them within melee range. Of course, melee crit rates are super high, but I usually give them 5 chances to not crit before I call them out on crit cheating. Players who aim straight down, crouch, and walk backwards at a super fast rate are doing something called 'duckwalking'. They're cheating. Players who are good with the direct hit can typically predict enemy strafe movements. Players with aimbot can't.

[@Banshee523]

This is all fine and dandy but human cheaters never get kicked unless they're being blatant, only bots do. You're literally better off requeuing instead of spending your time begging the other team to consider the fact that there are more types of cheats than heavy/sniper aimbots. Or just continue playing if they are not being excessively disruptive (sometimes you gotta settle for a lobby with "subtle" cheaters when the alternative is bot filled ones). They also know they will never be banned by Valve. I know people who cheat on accounts worth thousands, and they're not hijacked.

[@firefoxtf2998]

@joseph I used nullcore and have never heard of this feature

[@firefoxtf2998]

@@Banshee523 And that's the sad reality...while I know that it's very unlikely someone gets kicked, i spread this information in the hope that it gets to someone who has power to do stuff not within valve - i'm sure that they don't read these types of comments, but maybe people who run bot detectors and people who homebrew anti-bot/cheater bots usually whenever i hop into a game and there's someone hacking I record their steamID and then try to get the enemy team to kick them i really do hope my account gets vac banned one day because that means that so many others will also get banned

[@GoldenDuck0]

@@firefoxtf2998 ncc doesn’t have strafe pred

[@specificocean4176]

I heard about all of these but what the hell is “duckwalking”

[@Kirkaman_hex]

If this hack was discovered this year valve would've just disable random crits

[@mauroghen]

>bots running rampant constantly for over 2 years now >this year lol

[@eisenkrahe7125]

Great pfp

[@absolutelynot4261]

@@mauroghen Time flies when your fun is continuously ruined

[@linear1224]

@@eisenkrahe7125 /// WARNING A RED SPY IS IN THE BASE ///

[@eisenkrahe7125]

@@linear1224 "No... That would be your mother"

[@rbarua3368]

Thanks for this critical info.

[@Game-ne5nb]

Goddamnit.

[@meltedelevator]

*Ba dum tss*

[@Jollyyy_]

This change effects all weapons apart from the pan, which as everyone knows has a 99.99% crit chance.

[@chrouu]

Cheating brings that number up to a 99.991% crit chance

[@dannyboidee]

Literally happened to me yesterday. I noticed this one guy had crits on every single person he killed. Nobody questioned his shit tho and honestly he wasnt too bad of a nuisance to deal with

[@sidknoop6381]

I will remember to breathe oxygen, thanks shounic!

[@OctavianAfton]

Safe to say you can hack anything in tf2 for your benefit. No reason for someone to say "no such cheat exists" like someone I once played with said lmao

[@moronribbons5774]

oohg urk but huntsman hakks can't exist it's a projectile- *Fuck off yes it can*

[@gunswinger3110]

There's already direct hit hacks that lets you beam people so safe to say projectiles can be hacked

[@ВластелинКриперов]

I'm no professional, but from my experience of making multiplayer videogames I can safely say that, practically, the only cheats that can exist are those which alter the data sent from client to server. That's why aimbots exist (just send value of mouse movement in order to point it at player's head), crit hacks (already explained), wallhacks (just replace materials of players' model to those which render over the obstacles), etc. I myself didn't believe that crit hacks exist until I overheard random crits are handled clientside (sort of) The only time you can make something that changes your health, ammo, uber, just basically some property (in which case server has it's own instances of these properties and will double check them with own before action) is when game itself has a hole in code that allows to exploit it

[@c0smo709]

@@gunswinger3110 as if projectile prediction is a new hack or something (it is not)

[@c0smo709]

Ok try to do noclip or godmode on valve servers with a cheat then (protip : you can't)

[@-Raylight]

Even with so many problems in TF2, bots, cheaters, aimbotters, the game is still so beloved. I feel like Valve is throwing away a lot of their beloved games, such a shame. If they cheat random crit in TF2 casual game. I kinda feel bad for them, guess it made their day so props for them

[@BonziBUDDY]

bike cuck mentality

[@Matheus-uv1dc]

yeah i also feel bad and just quit the server if theyre topscoring cus i see its not worth the time, but outplaying cheating snipers does feel good mmm

[@user-qb9pf5jo6l]

Valve: "this is a bucket. & there's more" Hackers: "no..."

[@salty4life]

Just yesterday while playing in a casual payload game, came across two cheaters that ALWAYS had crits, still pretty much a thing

[@whyalways74]

a few years ago a crit cheater saved their crits just for me and i ended up getting vote kicked for speaking up

[@DragonTamerCos]

I have been interested in this for literal years but assumed the info was not public. Thank you

[@Cr42yguy]

that crit bucket implies firing your weapon while nobody is around is actually advantageous

[@nathansnail]

wouldn't it just be a random crit shot with no bullets hitting

[@Larkenshine]

Thanks for informing us!

[@Top2BottomGaming]

1:06 Instructions Unclear, Forgot how to breathe. Suffocated.

[@dclc]

you just typed "kill" in console

[@Top2BottomGaming]

@@dclc o h

[@Luigi1000]

I do have a few questions which would be nice to know regarding random crits if you have a bonus video for this topic: 1) Let's say you only used your melee swing to deal damage from the moment you join, if normal damage is any dmg which is NOT a melee swing then how can one get a crit with a melee weapon if the melee hit does not count? If melee weapons do work differently for that ratio, then in what way and how does it determine it? 2) How does crit chance get lowered with respect to a period of time of no damage being dealt? Does recent damage get lowered after a period of no dmg being dealt or is it perhaps part of the cumulative total in the bucket being lowered instead? Or is crit chance just locked up there once you reach max % chance and it is governed by the bucket and normal to crit ratio blocking crits to make them normal shots? 3) Why does the bucket have a negative component? How does one get a negative bucket value? Are there any actions besides the deduction for paying for a crit which remove from the bucket?

[@shounic]

1. melee crits use a """different""" system. they basically just roll for a crit with the random seed (as usual) and have a bucket, but the melee bucket prices random crits at half melee base damage so ye. your question is rooted in a bunch of misunderstandings so this is the best answer i can give you. 2. recent damage simply looks at what has happened in the ever changing timeframe of 2 seconds ago from now to 20 seconds ago from now. so things that were once within 20 seconds, but are no longer, simply "fall out" of the scope of interest and they get "discarded". your question has some misunderstandings unfortunately, so the best i can answer is that crit chance isn't determined at any specific point but more like constantly updated and calculated. there is no "lowered" or whatever, it's a number that basically summarizes all the data valve wants it to consider. when you roll for a crit, the server checks what the crit chance happens to be and uses that in the calculations. it's like checking the time and using whatever number happens to be shown. 3. idk why the bucket goes negative lol. if you do something that goes below zero the bucket "snaps" back to being at 0. valve things :)

[@sorry.for.party.rocking]

@@shounic melee crits are also not limited by a ratio of crits to non-crits.

[@incorporealnuance]

as much as it would technically be cheating, I would love to have a "crit button" only to be used when comedically appropriate. Like, being friendly, shooting a single crit, then immediately killbind-ing

[@scraub8913]

Very well made video, nice job.

[@sosecherofsky7985]

Crazy how the prevention sorta still works after all this time.

[@azura3261]

Kinda is an understatement. Literally just played a match about a few days ago on Detroit keep where a scout player had crits on all the time and had howling coming from them all the time. Not even like voice chat just from the scout himself

[@lordcole5138]

It hasn’t been patched btw. I encountered a crit cheater a week ago and he hasn’t got a normal kill.

[@gumdropkimi]

i had some weirdo random critting WAYYY too often in a game just yesterday, and it seemed that every time i or someone else was just about to kill him, he'd random crit

[@AzureWoof]

I still find it so laughable that they only applied these measures to non-melee weapons. I guess it wouldn't be Valve if they ever made any sensible changes. Fun Fact: For a brief period of time in 2017, you used to be able to force random melee crits on melee weapons that had the "No random critical hits" attribute, resulting in quite a bit of chaos. This worked because one of the command numbers for those weapons still had the ability to allow you to crit. It's just that the chances of this happening without forcing it were extremely unlikely, as it was one specific value amongst tens of thousands, as opposed to other weapons having multiple values that worked. This was quickly patched when it was added to the most popular cheat in the game, which I won't name in case there's a filter for the comments. A lot of exploits died when they were added to it, as Valve used to keep semi-close tabs on it.

[@Banshee523]

The random critting Eyelander was stuff of legends back in the day. I swear I saw it once, but it was so stupidly rare. Funny to hear that cheats took advantage of that, I guess that explains why I haven't seen it happen in years if it's patched out now.

[@theotv5522]

“This is a dying game” “Dear God” “There’re bots” “NO”

[@ВластелинКриперов]

If I get this correct, the message id is assigned by a client and then sent to the server, which then reads the id and confirms if it's a crit or not. If so, then one way to go about fixing current iteration of crit hacking is to make server have a message counter per player, and using that instead of trusting the client message's id. Also, to preemptively restrict people from sending empty messages up until the counter goes to required number, the server can discard the empty ones and not add them to a counter

[@whirl3690]

The most obvious solution to crithacking would have been removing random crits, but this works too I guess.

[@Emm1lyn]

Can't believe just a single white bucket controls how much we can make our opponents angry.

[@Mustacheoro]

Yeah I still see people doing things like 1 shotting enemies as heavy (no crits), and getting crits every other shot. An engineer was literally critting 5 people in our game nonstop.

[@JouvaMoufette]

There's obviously server side plug-ins for 100% crits, but I wonder what would happen if the server changed those cvars to have a high default and/or cap, or a positive bottom. Would that also increase crit chances?

[@mysteriouslyseeing]

Theoretically, could one make "anti-crit" hacks? As in, just not send any packets which are crits?

[@moneyduck242]

yes, i used to cheat (im sorry i dont now :( ), and the settings you could configure was that you would on purposely not crit to save up a certain amount of crits, and then you could press a keybind to activate crits, in which that time your next bullet/period of time (for heavies and pyros) would always crit.

[@dadmitri4259]

It looks to me like they didn't prevent cheating so much as simply make it less obvious. Like, cheaters are still going to get an advantage from abusing the system using control over the timing. The only difference is it's harder to tell from pure luck now.

[@bobbyferg9173]

Crit hacking is another reason I prefer no random crits servers. Random crits are bad enough, but when someone can choose when to random crit, it turns an unpredictable feature into an even worse ability. Also finding out if someone is crit hacking is more difficult than something like Aimbot

[@thortheanimetronic5981]

fun fact some weapons crit more often then others: random person:no shit

[@robertflinch2447]

I'm waiting for the shounic experiment where everyone gets to be a crit cheater and fire their crits whenever they want

[@Gerald-if9yi]

I'll love to see shounic program a game someday

[@prprobay]

This man makes content to fuel future content with facts from past videos. He snowballin' fr fr

[@Agustin-xs6ug]

It's amazing how this could be easily solved by removing random crits.

[@jfayiii]

Exactly. No one wants to take away their precious. They should never have been put in the game.

[@clowncore]

Remember in 2010ish, a heavy with aimbot, crits and infinite ammo spawn camping us, luckily I backcapped with bonk and he quit after that I lost the footage but I had it recorded on my shitty laptop

[@donuar7]

Thanks for the video.

[@TheToomykins]

You've heard of crocket, now get ready for crucket

[@jackwalker4887]

Just yesterday I ran into a scout who crit on every third shot (or so it felt like). Almost all of his kills in the killfeed were "random" crits and the only time we actually killed them was when he didn't get enough of them, cause luckily they always ran into more enemies than they could chew. Provided this video is correct, it's just crazy how many crits the game actually allows you to get if you just max out your damage output with a little help of an aimbot ...

[@jackwalker4887]

And yes he did have a VAC ban, but oBvIoUsLy "not from this game", as he was quick to point out ...

[@jackwalker4887]

@Muura I am aware. Point being if they already have a fresh VAC ban on another Source game, the likelyhood of them also cheating in TF2 is quite high ...

[@Draxis32]

No wonder the soldier loves his buckets

[@funkydino7564]

I was playing with a Crit cheater two days ago. This heavy kept smgetting lazzer beams every time he started shooting. Made playing kunai spy fun

[@thedoctordallin]

Thanks for the reminder to breath oxygen! I was about to die of asphyxiation when I saw it and didn't even realize.

[@bomboclatlawg]

I remember when someone was crit hacking and had a 100% random crit chance and he didn’t use a per say: rocket launcher but he used the hot hand. He eventually got kicked by the enemy team.

[@Lolkork]

Great series, but I fear more normal players who just got really lucky with their crits are gonna get accused for cheating or even kicked now.

[@dumblenutz5561]

So nothing will change, basically. Alot of people already get falsely kicked for "cheating"...

[@isenokami7810]

Oddly enough, when you list out the random crit mechanics and how cheaters can manipulate them, having control over that sounds really appealing. Maybe not in TF2, having that kind of control still requires cheating, but if someone could make a single player FPS where the kind of crit management these cheaters do is actually a core mechanic, that would be awesome.

[@Green24152]

So a FPS where you have a reserve of extra-powerful shots that can be triggered whenever you need them? Huh.

[@alexalcalaortiz368]

vats in fallout 4 ?

[@JetstreamSam343]

You have that in tf2 Go hybrid knight with the pan Grenade Launcher for boom and pan for the stored crit

[@blacklight683]

Day2 of asking:what about when you get double crit(without cheating) and what about the crits in the start of the game(or with your first shot)

[@blacklight683]

@Hypnotikatoh right you start with the bucket already have some damage in it. thanks for the answer

[@blacklight683]

@Blackout oh so you can shot multiple crits in a row I was confused cuz I thought after your first crit your bucket goes empty. Anyway thx for the answer

[@Stefanga44]

I once was in a game where a medic with no comsetic or weapons joined and everytime he hit me with his melee it was always a random crit, he killed me atleast 10 times and i dont believe a man can be this lucky

[@Probs_a_cool_guy]

I love how there is "humans" and ". "cheater’s" like we hate them so much we don’t even consider them like us

[@youraveragemedicmain8434]

I saw some guy on Hightower with the skull cutter and tide turner who had wall hacks crit hacks and even could see spies through clock

[@Palexite]

For those that don’t understand what makes the difference for the seed system of random crits being determined by the user. When you make something client sided, your storing the information on the client. The client tells the server what to send regarding that information. Hackers need to access the source that sends the message. If you want to control something client side, that’s easy, you just need to modify your own client. that’s what you would call a Hacked Client. If you want to control something server sided, we’ll now you need a way to access the physical servers in which sends those messages to the clients, which is harder, because now your trying to breach someone else’s property, that literally being valve corporations.

[@DimentiosLoyalest]

Instructions unclear, breathed nitrogen.

[@spy9514]

This is why Soldier loves buckets

[@m.i.g.2023]

I imagine if there ever will be a good anti-cheat in TF2, it won't instantly kick the player but instead force him into a "cage of shame" in the middle of the map where they can't even disconnect, and, if allied team won't kick him in some period of time, they'll be down one player until the end of the round

[@cranelord]

Crits were the worst thing every put into tf2. I have nightmares about the unfair deaths I've had.

[@PsychadelicoDuck]

...I wonder how a whole server of modern crit hackers facing each other would look?

[@PsychadelicoDuck]

@Blackout Except the crits have to be recharged in between uses, no?

[@cyborgste]

"hey viewer remember to breathe oxygen" oh shit I knew I was doing something wrong by breathing nitrogen.

[@Crow_Rising]

The newer form of hacking is actually worse for the community than the old form. If every shot is a crit, the hacking is obvious and indefensible, so it feels justified to everyone on the server to votekick them. With the new form hackers can be smarter about their crits, not only getting crits at opportune moments, but deliberately choosing not to sometimes. This makes it harder to call hackers out, and can result in innocent individuals getting called out through suspicion. Because critical hits are already a controversial subject, many people are liable to be blinded by not just being unsure whether someone is guilty of hacking or not, but the emotional impact of being the victim of a successful critical hit. This blurs the line even further between a legitimate hacker, and someone who actually just got lucky. As such, I'd argue the "fix" actually made things worse rather than better. The end result of hackers being unfairly advantaged hasn't changed, but now players are naturally more suspicious of each other, or might be too trusting towards a hacker in an attempt to avoid this. As a result, you get both more innocent players getting votekicked under suspicion of hacking as well as more hacking players getting a free pass under the suspicion they might not be. I feel like a better fix would be to just remove anything clientside regarding whether a hit is critical or not, and change the visuals to accommodate this change. As cool as critical hits look in first person, in my opinion this alone isn't worth the hassle. It becomes much harder to cheat if you can't manipulate things clientside and the server itself decides whether attacks are crits or not. You fire a shot, the server decides if that shot is a crit, the shot either lands or misses, and then some sort of indication of this is delivered to everyone in the game. Likely the only remaining indication of whether a shot was a crit or not would be on impact, aside from projectiles such as rockets.

[@jfayiii]

Just a bunch of piglets, accomplishing nothing, besmirching a once great game.

[@Rivan-qo5gh]

Man i fucking love ur videos i am even watching them while i have TWO FUCKING EXAMS TOWARD ME AND EACH ONE IS MORE THAN 50 PAGES

[@shounic]

good luck! i hope everything goes well!

[@Rivan-qo5gh]

@@shounic many thanks

[@hubhx]

how did it go?

[@Rivan-qo5gh]

@@hubhx very well all done right , thanks for asking

[@sethshoemaker6197]

I'm positive I encountered a crit hacker a few days back, seemed to always kill people with random crits whenever it was most convenient (ie when he rounded a corner as heavy into a crowd of enemies) He also was aimbotting, toggling it on and off at times.

[@Gna-rn7zx]

Thanks, I'm always forgetting to breathe oxygen!

[@dustloaf]

Beatifully explained

[@propkillerr]

nitro has the best crit system on earth

[@mold1225]

Thank you I almost forgot the breathe

[@xladbetr8097]

Ohhhhh crit bucket… it’s mine now. I will teleport bread with it

[@905SunnyGachaGaming]

Crit hax then: ok. Infinite power generator Crit hax now: ok... Now let me save the crits. You won't get crits unless you said so

[@KingDoopy]

I remember finding out how to do easy crits back then when I played pyro using the powerjack.

[@nightsider2705]

Fitting that today I had a crit cheater in my round.

[@anguswett]

This guy knows more abt tf2 than the devs

[@randompower8749]

I wonder how the 'crit bucket' looks for the pan

[@lordvader4200]

OK that’s why soldier obsessed with buckets

[@dbelow_1556]

Why not just move the calculations to the server side and calculate if the NEXT shot will be a crit, rather than the current one? That way you have no delay, crits are invisibly stored on the server and given to you when is actually random (or you earn it with enough damage). OR, we could rework random crits entirely to be just like a crit hack, where you can choose when you want to use a readied crit with a keypress. This could be accompanied with an electricity animation to show a crit is ready, and give a crit boost glow to a weapon when a crit is about to be fired. It'd effectively be a small one shot buff banner, but for all classes.

[@ryxtan]

Oops! I forgot about oxygen. I've been breathing argon this entire time. Thanks shounic!

[@skoot2488]

And today we have fire-2-shot-at-once hacks for soda popper and force-a-nature

[@forple8930]

ah yes, the "click to delete an engineer/other scout" toggle.

[@boistopmotion]

You heard Gaben, quit hacking hackers

[@aaclovern9804]

Thank you sho. I would have died if you not reminded me to breathe

[@TheRealEpicFace.]

idk why but whenever I use the back scratcher as pyro, I ALWAYS get 2 crits in a row , so basically, i hit the enviroment until i get one so i can then go and use the surprise crit that is left

[@shiny_yassle4019]

This is why soldier wants the bucket.

[@FalkyRocket2222]

imagine if bots that are classes other than sniper start to use this lol

[@ottovonbearsmark8876]

Isn’t the crit bucket what also buffed medics and snipers. Since sniper shots fill their bucket but can’t subtract from it, snipers have a higher melee crit probability, same with medi-gun healing.

[@Splarkszter]

I started watching this video 15 seconds after it was published :)

[@Splarkszter]

and apparently seen the notification 8 seconds after it was published.

[@alexpiggy]

I remember one demoknight on degroot keep that would always get crits with the Scotsman Skullcutter 24/7. Claimed it was “electric” or something lol