How Do ISTJs (The Archivist) compare to INTJs (The Ranger)? | ISTJ Vs. INTJ | CS Joseph

[@ethtt]

You were in a good mood during this one, weren't you? :)

[@mdh9247]

I was thinking this the whole time.

[@judahschmidt5241]

no thats actually ur Fe trickster thinking that

[@midnight15086]

Wow my jaw literally dropped open at 11:30 about the physical objects and memory. I do this thing where I'll leave an absurdly out of place object in the middle of the floor or somewhere where I'll practically trip over it as a reminder... like maybe I need to remember to make a phone call but I don't have time at the exact moment so I could leave a bottle of lotion on the stairs, and when I see it later I'll be like "oh yeah I have to make that phone call." I didn't know that could have anything to do with being INTJ lol.

[@seforaker]

I do this as well

[@AnjoDun]

@@seforaker Me, too. I had no idea it was due to my type. LOL

[@k.strive46]

lmaooo

[@DrVein]

People I live with hate it when I do that. They don't get why I can't just remember to do things.

[@onegaimatte1845]

Oop

[@sydneychuke1881]

This is awesome, or should I say, this is the dopest

[@Lady.Luck.]

wow.. at 46:00 you naiiled exactly what happens. INJTs can take the constructive criticism..we WANT to improve. and if you don't give us that, we get cold feet about the future!

[@Seljhbff]

True, the ones that can't are inmature and get their ego bruised

[@nicholashopper5862]

Exactly!

[@Hybe123]

I had the dilema if I was an INTJ or an ISTJ before but now I can clearly see than I'm an INTJ. I can't remember shit and my ESFP personality and ISFJ demon are quite apparent. Thanks C.S. for this comparison :)

[@CSJoseph]

you are welcome sir

[@OliveMule]

@@CSJoseph as an istj. I seriously dont believe In an original idea. Seriously

[@TheBittenBullet]

Whenever you talk about ISTJs, I think of that guy in "A Lego Movie". "It's not in the instructions!"

[@OliveMule]

I havnt seen that movie or many movies in general. Typical istj. But that guy in that movie sounds like a great guy. Doing good and following instructions

[@Cymatic-Mage]

@Lorenzo Augustine some advice... don't be a pos human. She's better off without you.

[@levicole8314]

INTJ wants a book that contain all of the summary of the books of the Library of Alexandria ISTJ knows all of the books of the Library of Alexandria INTP have read all of the books of the Library of Alexandria ISTP knows how to build the Library of Alexandria

[@gottesurteil3201]

I swear my university's honors college most have been full of ISTJ cultists. Everytime I made an argument it's always "where are your sources?" They couldn't understand that I was making logical conclusions based off information that I had, that isn't something you can cite.

[@k.strive46]

college is literally MADE for stj's

[@kawou4250]

You can site the information you had which led you to the conclusions.

[@kawou4250]

You say ISTJs don't understand logic but they have as much te as INTJs.

[@OliveMule]

They ARE NOT ISTJ'S ISTJ'S DONT GO TO COLLEGES OR UNI ISTJ'S ARE THE MOST ANARCHIC. THOSE PEOPLE WERE PRETENDING TO BE ISTJ'S BY MIMICING THE BEHAVORS OF SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND OR HOW THEY WERE TOLD

[@OliveMule]

@k exactly. I have only watched 5 minutes of that tv show, and as an istj....I am physically, mentally and spiritually REPULSED BY THAT SHOW

[@honeyloop2746]

literally my mum (ISTJ) and me (INTJ). You're a genius and I am so glad that I stumbled upon your KZbin channel :D

[@paquiliztli]

I find your videos to be so freaken useful! I cant wait to master the personality types so I can put it to practical use (yes its a very INTJ thing to do haha)

[@ishaanmalhotra3008]

Intj here, recently dumped by infp gf. Apparently I wasnt expressing my emotions and she thought I wasnt interested. We never had one conversation about that before WTF!!!!!! Least she could have done is give me feedback and I would have told her how serious I was about her

[@ShardulIyer]

That's the feelers way of understanding you. Since most feelers think they have strong empathy - they rely on their feelings and sensation to take their decisions. Something similar happened to me too & made me feel wtf (intj here), so don't take it personal - she probably just did it coz she felt it would go into a confrontation so feelers tend to dump you, the moment they sense a confrontation that might hurt them alot.

[@rmcd823]

Shardul Iyer Wow. F types don’t really have a clue about the NTs functioning

[@nlee4724]

Sorry that happened to you. You may have had to show her through actions like flowers or small gifts, etc. Girls get very insecure.

[@DrVein]

I've had an NF friend suddenly just stop talking to me because I was "bloodthirsty". By this she was referring to me defending myself and having a problem with my ex cheating on me. Do they assume we're evil or something?

[@DrVein]

@@nlee4724 this is horrible advice. 🤣

[@beatrixcruz9374]

I'm an INTP and I have this ISTJ office mate who also cleaned my desk TWICE 😂. Once when I'm on vacation leave, the second time she volunteered. I'm laughing really hard with your story bro. Relatable.

[@sonicmaths8285]

INTPs are orderly themselves since Si child likes order as well. I mean Si child can tolerate disorder better than Si parent or hero but still they are orderly on average

[@nlee4724]

I’m an ISTJ and I’ve found that as I’ve gotten older, it’s a relief to not care as much as to whether I’m right or know more or teach someone something. I think I’m just more comfortable with myself. I’m also more aware of how annoying this behavior is to others. I’m always amazed at small facts that come to light, eg some historical fact, and I used to think everyone was fascinated like I was and would tell everyone. Now, I just keep it to myself and concentrate on how the person I’m talking to feels or is interested in.

[@loverofbeautifulthings]

As ISTJs get older (40s and 50s) we learn to chill out and live a peaceful life. I adore being an ISTJ in my 50s as opposed to when I was younger. It's sort of a perfect way to be.

[@judael5605]

@@loverofbeautifulthings Ironically enough, the Si users often level up as they age while Ni users brains dissolve as they grow older like in 50s+ Si users are the wisest when they are old, while Ni users are the brightest when young. Both have its pros and cons. It's something really fascinating to think about, that the brain of Ni users just deteriorates as they grow old and rapidly so when really old, like they slowly lose consciousness even tho they are here and present, this goes the same for ideas and knowledge and experiences they gained all the years they've lived and cherished, fades away into a mindless, numb being. That's besides the point tho, I was just saying how you said being an old istj is better is completely true and as it should be, while it's the opposite for Ni users especially Ni doms. Take care. I would love to know what everyone think about this

[@loverofbeautifulthings]

@@judael5605 I believe it! Thank you for your note~~

[@sobeszczyn2251]

​@@loverofbeautifulthingsja jestem 40-letnim ISTJ. Dotychczas nie wiedziałem dlaczego jestem taki jaki jestem. Wiesz......to bycie introwertykiem, skupienie się na logice, odcięcie od emocji itd. Całe otoczenie mówi ci, że jesteś jakiś inny. Teraz mam to gdzieś😉. Pozdrawiam z Polski🇵🇱.

[@sobeszczyn2251]

​@@judael5605ja dopiero e wieku 40 lat zacząłem rozumieć kim jestem. I wiem, że jestem ISTJ. Tu w Polsce system MBTI nie jest tak popularny. To mnie uspokoiło, gdyż zrozumiałem dlaczego taki jestem. I że jest wiele ludzi o tym typie. Lubię swój typ, powili zdaję sobie sprawę z wad i zalet bycua ISTJ-A. Na obecnym etapie największym moim przekleństwem i jednocześnie największą zaletą jest bycie odciętym id emocji. Pozdrawiam z Polski 🇵🇱👋.

[@calebtovar101]

You have brains, style, attitude, black shirts, unstoppable, fearless, practical, entrepeneur, evil glance and you love THE EXPANSE! You belong with us among the INTJ on the Olympus.

[@bethanyvanklei1109]

I'm married to an intj..he thought originally he was an infj..till he study more. Always got either one on the test. I'm an istj..we bump heads sometimes in the way we think and best approach to getting things done. He is more the visionary..yet doesn't always get to the plan right away.. where I do. If there is a task, I can easily plan and already working on it to complete it, where he is still in the thinking stage and hasn't begun to even take action yet.

[@SweetNovember000]

You know you are an INTJ if you’re terrified of not being it 🤣

[@lynnh1682]

Elaborate on "it" center of attention? Thats a no from me.

[@asmcriminaL]

My mom is an ISTJ, I am an INTJ. She's extremely critical. I used to get so mad at the things she would say to me. But now, I just laugh at it and realize how ridiculous she sounds. Like the other day, I took care of my INFP roommate snake. The INFP asked if I wanted anything from the store. I told her, "Ice cream would be cool." Then, I thought maybe that might be pushing it. Then I said, "Ice cream or reeses." She actually bought me both which was cool I told my mom about this and she said, "Why can't you just do favors for people? You're so selfish." I just laughed, I said "You take things from old people(she works in a senior community." Older people offer things to her and she does take them. My mom said, "I work for them." I said, "I worked for Sarah(the roommate) take care of her snake." It's like my mom is designed to complain. She can complain about anything. We argue all the time, but we don't get mad at eachother. I still give her hugs, talk to her, and things are cool. I think in asense, we both like bitching in our own way. We don't take it personal.

[@DrVein]

My mother is an ISTJ as well. She is a special kind of stubborn. I have been trying to explain to her that she's extremely critical of me, but she seems to think that because she has good intentions (in her opinion) what she does is simply "advice". So I tend to troll the crap out of her, and she pretends that I don't tick her off. 🤷‍♂️

[@sonicmaths8285]

@@DrVein yeah Si heros can endure the longest so won’t work pissing her off Try social engineering

[@bethanyvanklei1109]

Istj pet peeve..I don't like it when people make more work for me later, especially when there was a clear more efficient and better way of doing it in less time for the best results. "Work smarter, not harder"

[@OliveMule]

Istj here. This is why I dont work with most people and I've own my own business since age 16

[@jasonmertilus7509]

I appreciate the thorough explanation on the differences between the ISTJ and INTJ. Your style of delivery is impressive. Subscribed and liked.

[@CSJoseph]

Awesome, thank you!

[@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon]

I can usually only remember things I care about or little pieces of interesting information. If I don't care about it I'll forget it so fast. My memory is actually pretty short so I don't like to stuff it. I subconsciously delete information I have no use for.

[@barbod320]

Thanks a million C.S Joseph, ISTJ here. Man I CAN be funny at times, like when I'm in a good mood, I'll automatically make everyone around, laugh. People get upset when I get too serious, or silent

[@PsiCorps85]

Cool you've made this comparison, I sometimes still wonder if I might be an ISTJ, though I think if I'm not an INTJ I'd probably be an INTP more likely. ISFP I've also considered. I think though I'm likely just a very lazy INTJ which has all but given up on life and often is stuck in Ni-Fi loops. IDK for certain. Also, cool that you're giving away that psychology book. Onward to continuing to watch the video!

[@perpetuallymisunderstood5736]

@@AndeAndrea That would be ISFP.

[@perpetuallymisunderstood5736]

@@AndeAndrea ISFP'S can get stuck in Fi-Ni loops. For INFP'S that would be Fi-Si.

[@jarisoriano3104]

I'm an istj, and I thank you for your criticisms. I do really want to refine myself every step of the way.

[@sofia8574]

Thank you for sharing so much content! I have learned massively from you! We need more people in the world like you

[@moistbuthole9752]

With every ISTJ I have dealt with (I'm INTJ), I've always thought we see eye to eye, yet at the same time the ISTJ always seems to be 'set in their old ways' or weighed down by 'traditional values'. The conversation always gets tested when it turns towards subjective opinions, and then debating becomes damage control. ISTJ's, stop thinking EVERYTHING needs instant proof otherwise it's false. You'll miss out on so many opportunities thinking like that, and annoy us

[@moistbuthole9752]

@@thekiwisqu33z34 thank you for critiquing my rant. I'll take the first option.

[@jenstone4708]

Well I was married to one for 20 years and he was verified and this is exactly the experience I had. Well said. On point

[@GuideGa-u9z]

I was waiting for this video for a longggggg time. FINALLY

[@pommesoleil7901]

Although I have a problem starting things (i'm the opposite of you), I definitely enjoy that you jump from different seasons, so those lectures are never boring! Specifically about mature archetype videos that are taking me a lot of time to process and learn, so meanwhile I rest watching those comparison types video :D

[@CSJoseph]

oh thank God, someone finally gets it.

[@rishavsharma9496]

All your lectures are amazing and I follow you thoroughly. I am an INTJ-A and dating an ISTJ-A. She is always skeptical about our relationship based on her past failed relationships (to some extent illogically) and as she is a doctor, recent days are traumatic for her. We both are well settled in our career and because of that it is a long distance relationship (though we can meet during weekends). Though we are in love with each over but this cynicism is breaking our relationship. It will be interesting to see a series dedicated to how relationships can work between different MBTI personalities who are not Gold pairs.

[@dana102083]

How are things going? 🙏 estj here.. Id explore where the skepticism really stems from. I know my worried (Im an RN) stem from something I'm rationalizing and usually need to brainstorm ways of improving it. Being upfront will scare people off but toning it down can come off as negative in my experience...then its not a clear message, more sarcasm..negativity with no plan to improve.. The more miscommunications fire my relationships cracked as it created trust issues and emotional abandonment. Emotional maturity and getting to know hiw people work has helped immensely at work first then I took it home and realized i need to treat everyone like theyre patients lol. Take care

[@aimank]

I've been waiting for this for a while! But I would really enjoy this more with less tangents :)

[@CSJoseph]

I am an ENTP, I can do no other

[@imjustrambling]

Ah! Escaflowne!!! My gosh, I had so many aha moments about myself watching this video. Thank you so much for the content you are releasing. This should really be taught in schools. Imagine a world where everyone understands themselves and has a good understanding of others. Can we please make this change in our education?

[@soapmaker2263]

Verifying everything before believing isn’t such a bad thing. There’s a ton of bs out in the world. I assume everything on television is a lie to some degree.

[@chinaboytag1]

I'm an INTJ/ISTJ split. I've taken multiple tests and almost always gotten a split, so I found this video very helpful!

[@Anthony-cr5wv]

I went through the same. They are very(VERY) similar. Read this: mbti-notes.tumblr.com/basics

[@emanjab5041]

Me too. Have both ISTJ and INTJ traits.

[@Qjemuse]

No you're not Many istj mistypes for intj and vice versa Did you not even watch this vid

[@slittingsoviets33]

@@Qjemuse right

[@leila_de_hautjardin]

When people hesitate they decide they are INTJ because INTJ are supposedly absolute genius. I am sure dumb INTJs exist. I also noticed on mbti online forums S type get no love, 😢 especially ISTJ.

[@bethanyvanklei1109]

Yeah.. can relate to your comment..istj here.. not much on here for us..but can find multiple videos from all sorts of angles on "I N" types.

[@nickchua5772]

I can assure you (as an INTJ) we can really be idiots whether we want to admit it or not. Not just in social situations too because how smart someone is very subjective and relative. Anyone can be smart, they just need the right topic or people to compare to.

[@kawou4250]

ESTJs and ISTJs get more hate than any type. It's important to know there do exist ISTJs that are extremely creative. The way I interpret how they differ is not in the amount of creativity, but how their creativity relates to their knowledge. I think ISTJs use their understanding of the facts to augment their creativity while INTJs use their creativity to augment their understanding of the facts.

[@kawou4250]

Do note that I could be wrong in my interpretation, but it's very important to realize there are ISTJs smarter than most intuitives, even most NTs. One of the greatest pioneers of the science on which MBTI is based is an ISTJ.

[@OliveMule]

@@kawou4250 very true. I'm not smarter than anyone else, and smartness is a psyop. I work for a high technology company designing systems. But I wear the clothes I like (check my vids of u wanna see) most ppl probably think I'm homeless or something like that. And I dont ever care to express my wisdom or knowledge to anyone except my daughter.

[@mehGyver]

Online test said I'm ISTJ, but your description of these differences plants me far more in the INTJ box. Glad I searched this out.

[@sell241]

Why is it that he said ISTJ’s aren’t funny? People tell me I’m funny all the time! I KNOW I’m funny, but I know it from within myself, not from others. That’s what I don’t like about these sorts of vids, often times I can’t resonate with the lecture since so much doesn’t apply to me, however I’m sure I’m an ISTJ. It’s just a matter of not boxing yourself in. I find it sad that ISTJ’s are boxed in so much in this psychology where as other types are not. INTJ’s are funny? So are we! I’m great at moral support and other things that this psychology would say I’m “bad at”. I’m creative, zen, and talk about ideas a lot. I’m not a robot! It’s sad when I watch ISTJ lectures compared to other type lectures and find it really limited, but it is what it is. At the end of the day, your type is yourself, Emmanuel Beltran, that’s who defines me. Not any other label.

[@swulfrhapsodia5600]

Can you do INTJ vs ENTP, or even a season on ego vs subconscious types? I know a lot of people that seem to be in shadow mode and this makes it tricky to differentiate a type in ego vs shadow state

[@raghavrathi884]

+1

[@purplepagic5361]

Intj: *can’t accept that fact that they could be a istj, hahah blame it on the Te* *i don’t wanna become a istj*

[@kande61994]

@Saeri CFC

[@officialmkamzeemwatela]

The dominant introverted intuition is not easy to mistake

[@Cymatic-Mage]

@@officialmkamzeemwatela I agree. Thinking the world could stay the same and not change for the better makes me depressed. And having the same routine day in and day out sounds like torture.

[@sonicmaths8285]

@@officialmkamzeemwatela not so sure about that

[@acelguevarra2371]

As an INTJ, I despised it when people tell you that is better to be a master of one than to be a jack of all trades.

[@craig3567]

Wow! Only "800 videos to go." You (CS J.) have quite the ambition. I didn't know that ENTPs, such as yourself, had that drive. You are definitely not an ENFP, such as myself, with your long term follow through. As for what you're saying about ISTJs and INTJs, what great information (as usual)! Also, as for that book you mentioned in the beginning of the video, it sounds like a great book. That is, apparently, if one glosses over the information reflective of Keirsey, and focuses more on the quality content. ; ) Very interesting about respecting an INTJs privacy regarding their past, and not triggering them to go after you, for lack of better terminology. That may help to explain my older brother, an INTJ, better. Fortunately, now that we are adults, we get along very well during our occasional long distance, out-of-state phone call.

[@lordbri3502]

Quality content

[@Josh-bn3qp]

The hate for ISTJ is strong with this guy

[@CSJoseph]

not at all, I criticize everyone.

[@LeonardaClara]

@@CSJoseph Yeah right

[@GygyMy]

Come on, it's just true and what appeared as not nice is just actually pissing off everyone else sooner or later (for both types presented there)...that's it (yeah, I'm an INTJ.... and my boyfriend is ISTJ ....)

[@Heldan]

@@GygyMy what do you mean? It's not a good association is it?

[@hfortenberry]

@@CSJoseph LOL, it's true, he does.

[@rayhoodoo847]

Oh my god, so many examples of both INTJ and ISTJ describe me. I’ve been very funny all my life, but I also have very good long term memory. I have great discipline, but I can’t deal with people not being comfortable with me. It’s practically 50/50 for everything you’re saying here hahah

[@ChrispyNut]

Is that "very good long-term memory" for stuff that fits with a purpose you have, just as with discipline. If your discipline is really only there when it's for something you're focused on, then that would be INTJ IMO, just as with the memory. Separating types that share the same perception or judgement function positions is really hard, especially as "nurture" muddies the waters too. Don't know if that helps, but figured I'd try. :-)

[@militaryhomes6292]

I'm definitely an ISTJ and my husband is an INTJ. Maybe because he has lots of ideas so I don't feel that everything needs to sited. Also because I'm an ISTJ female ( not normal) it's easy for my husband to make my life comfortable because he is the provider.

[@dumpsterfire2023]

OH MY YOU KNOW OF ESCAFLOWNE! That made me irrationally happy and I'm not sure what to do with that emotion.

[@moonbasemonk]

Every few months you can catch me randomly listening to the opening theme for it on repeat lol

[@FrenchCelt]

Bam! Thank you! I've always said that I'm a jack of all trades, master of most. The other thing I say about myself is that while most people know either a lot about a little or a little about a lot, I know a lot about a lot, and at least a little about everything.

[@LordRanilin]

Thank you for the continued dope content, CS Joseph! Loved your mood here in particular. I'm only almost halfway through all of your stuff currently, but I had to watch this one right away not for the typing but for the contrast - it's my mother compared to me. The part where you pounded home the concept of telling the ISTJ your intentions is exceptionally relevant. Our relationship has drastically improved over the last few years and I hadn't quite been able to determine exactly why since we still butt heads sometimes. Now I can focus in on that aspect a little more (and know to have my sources more prepared instead of just discussing things I know/believe). As I continue to watch every single video and research the content, I think it will enable me to make a better future for our family! So I really appreciate what you are doing and support your goals on this channel. Keep up the great job! I'm worried about implementing things I've learned from the subject for fear of screwing it up with the things I still haven't learned though. But I'm on my second notebook already of notes, so I'll get there eventually.

[@CSJoseph]

dont give up bro, you will be a master one day

[@MusicCrackhead]

This was great! Can’t wait for that God function or whatever it was you said. Sounds like something I want!

[@seforaker]

I have been INTJ-T for ten years and today tested as ISTJ-A and I'm confused lol All videos I've watched on ISTJ types don't sound like me and at 18:50 mark where you say an INTJ woman needs to know that they make you comfortable and me at tears because it's so true, all my anxiety comes from worrying that our home isn't working for him

[@CSJoseph]

please watch season 15 playlist for the answer

[@LooneyTiksCrap]

Some tests are less accurate. After years since I had been tested, I decided to just cuz, & I got ISTJ on one website which was literally 51%/49% for S/N. Then I looked into the differences and retook it elsewhere and no, I have not changed so much, lol (INTJ). I suspect you might have had an inaccurate test too.

[@MyChihuahua]

As an ISTJ I have many original ideas that no one has thought of and yes I make others smarter 😊

[@Seljhbff]

I honestly thought that remembering things with totems happened to everyone, now I know better..

[@OliveMule]

Lol crazy. Heck no

[@usererror880]

As an ISTJ when people ask what I want I typically have no answer. I've formed defaults based on what the question would be but there really isn't much that I want. You mentioned verification and such for ideas. I'm all for original ideas. I can see how someone of my type would be highly against the untested. Given how I grew up I was always being put in a place to think of this idea or that. Then you had to trace the idea back to the source and study and compare. What did I learn? The source isn't always correct. So I view ideas for what they are. If someone comes to me and wants to present an idea to me. We can go over it. If they want to go forward with the Idea then we will test it out. What I'm doing now I'm not in charge i'm like number two. So I'm given an idea. I find a way to make it work. I give the estimated cost. ect. What drives me crazy is that i'm the only person that seems to get anything done. Sure other people work. They do things. But why must I push them to do it?

[@medusa9781]

"Sure other people work. They do things." Oh my gosh! The way you'd said that is funny to me. As funny as it is, it sucks sometimes. I'm an ISTJ as well and I feel the same. I'm not trying to be cocky by calling us hard workers but why does everything fall onto us? We wouldn't have to act all high and mighty if others did their work without us having to prompt them to do it themselves. And even then we might have to pick up the slack ourselves. At least that how it is for me.

[@bethanyvanklei1109]

@@medusa9781 istj here.. yes I can relate to your comment. We get a bad rap and others don't understand..but let us be absent from work one day..if there wasn't another istj there.. stuff slows down and falls behind some. I've noticed at my job. I end up having to "fix/catch it all up" when I come back in. I'm not saying others aren't hardworking..we just have a really strong "dutifulness" about us... and work the most efficient way possible to get things done without creating extra or unnecessary work, which helps get things done in less time then some other types. I also feel we get less distracted when it comes to completing a job ect. We really want to get the job done..and its not for recognition or competing or anything like that. Its simply our sense of duty doing our job well, effectively, efficiently, and the best we can for the business.

[@Jess-yv7zc]

Se inferior IS dope. I'm an INTP and I love my INTJs too and it really annoys me when people misunderstand and mistreat them. I also really like ISTJs (so much so that I married one but we're divorced bc well....Si haha). I found this information to be very, very accurate as well as insightful and helpful.

[@mariap1087]

Jessica P Hey, could you possibly help out an fellow INTP figure out if her friend is ISTJ or INTJ? She originally tested as an INTJ but somethings have me thinking 🤔...how could you tell the difference between your friends?

[@Jess-yv7zc]

@@mariap1087 Yes, of course! Both have Te parent, both are often solitary and in my experience, both types are really super smart and interested in current affairs, politics, etc. Both are systematic and these things can make them look similar. Differences: ISTJs often talk of concrete, sensory things: what, who, how, when and where. Details, details! INTJs really come alive when discussing complex, abtract ideas: does time exist or is it a human construct? ISTJs when discussing the "what if" are much more pessamistic and concrete/sensory (WHAT IF my car breaks down? WHAT IF the basement floods?) ISTJs often talk about the past and THEIR impression of it: what they remember, how they behaved etc. They will re-tell the same stories over and over again. INJTs rarely do this; they are almost exclusively focused on the (often distant) future, their goals and how to achieve those goals. Here's a big tell: is your friend often interested in doing/reading/learning things she she sees you doing/hears you talking about/things YOU are enthusiastic about (Se) or would she rather you join her in her favorite topics/activities/passions/subjects (Si)? ISTJs are much more frugal (coupons, spreadsheets for said coupons) and they are really hyper-aware of their environment. INTJs are much more absent-minded with details and concrete things like crumbs on the counter (like us lol). ISTJs are polite and accomodating but in a closer relationship, INTJs will always care greatly about the other person's comfort and experience and far less about their own. ISTJs follow the rules and look to authorities a lot more than INTJs (although INTJs like/respect credentials, degrees/certifications more than INTPs do). INTJs are way more willing to break the rules in order to get something done, although I've seen ISTJs do this too haha. David Kiersey's books (and Stephen Montgomery's--he's basically re-stating Kierey's ideas in less of an INTP way lol; although I quite enjoyed Kiersey's books), Lenore Thomson, Naomi Quenk, Linda Berens, Dario Nardi, the Personality Hacker book and podcast (and of course most of all--Chase's lectures) are all resources that have helped me distinguish between the types, the cognitive functions and the temperaments. Good luck in typing your friend! Thanks for asking!

[@hfortenberry]

Whoa! That's wild about using physical objects to help with memory. I definitely use that as a technique (I'm INTJ) as part of my system of automation (GTD)! I keep a binder handy on my desk where I organize my post-it notes by category on pages inside plastic sleeves to protect them. I didn't realize that was related to Se. Interesting! Makes sense!

[@tofusamurai22]

C.S. -- As always, amazing content. You've made my NiTe! :P I'm an INTJ, married to an ISTJ, so this is very helpful -- THANK YOU ^_^

[@Leneah99]

I had an Istj manager. When we first started working together, she would check my work, ask me why I did something a certain way, second-guess almost everything I did, or was about to do. The micro-managing was extremely strong with that one. To address this, I started telling her every detail of everything I did, or intended to do. It didn't take long for her to step back, and let me handle it on my own, once she realized I was capable of thinking for myself.

[@jeannydaniel2022]

Well, the better strategy would then be telling her what you want.

[@Leneah99]

@@jeannydaniel2022 At the time, I was afraid that approach would make me come off insubordinate, since she was my manager. What worked was letting her know what my intentions were, to take away her fear of the "what if". Otherwise, I agree, telling Istj what you want should work.

[@mr.g6177]

you said that sneaking behind story so comfortably in a video Infront of so many people it scared me.

[@Jdonovan2]

nailed it coming from an intj specifically regarding demon destruction of others futures

[@chittichittibangbang1919]

Excellent video. I am an INTJ female dating an ISTJ male

[@FarmhouseVernacular]

ChittiChitti BangBang INTJ female married to an ISTJ male. This was hysterical. I forget things all the time and he endures waaaaaay more than a person should.

[@autumnjoy1422]

Farmhouse Vernacular INTJ female here, may I ask what your relationship has been like?

[@seetsamolapo5600]

Hey CS, I'm an INTP viewing this video. I'm especially wowed by INTJs and ISTJs for their work ethic. That despite INTPs being smarter, INTJs and ISTJs have the highest GPA. How much can each type learn from the others? My fascination from mbti is now realising how much one can learn from other types to improve themselves. I think it's probably even dangerous to rigid type oneself wherein there's no desire to improve that could lead to a fixed mindset

[@judael5605]

For intjs, it's their will. Once they decide it that it's what they want. It will be accomplished at the highest performance possible no matter the sacrafice(which they often sacrafice their whole being into that one single thing to a point which there's only time for improvement and nothing else and if others get in their way of that "life purpose" that they've set and decided for themselves, they are often the least courteous about it. Istjs on the other hand, their sheer endurance is godlike. They will read a paper 100x and over and over and over again again and again non stop no rest. The only difference is that they will exceed all expectations only when he knows himself what should be done and is expected of him. They will never fail in their life goal of exceeding expectations. It's a super power. You know how an Istj just have a library in their mind, and how they remember everything the very first glance or the very first read? Imagine them reading it and practicing skills x10 more than just the normal once. Their mastery of the subject will be insane and inhuman, only limited by what is or what wasn't on the book, but once they're collected the book into their brain library, it's polished to the max and remembered for eternity quite literally haha

[@hanes2]

I clean my co-worker workbench and spaces at work because I feel it's a chaos of looking at what could be 20 started projects, all over the place, and I can't continue working because it's in my way.

[@julianmanjarres1998]

I absolutely loved the Pokemon Blue tangent. I was 100% flowing everything you said :3

[@blue-ks8zu]

I love your energy in this video😃😂

[@xandirkuro4790]

Also I have this epic history teacher( an ISTJ , who aspires which is why the lessons are so funny with some guys with Te trickster) , also one of the few that actually asks for what kind of source we take and tries to verify them. Also she's like "you know guys, I read so many books I see where this is going" about nearly all situations in our country or "you know what every now and then I really feel like history goes in curcles". Also she hates when someone references wikipedia Xddd

[@gaudenciojao5052]

The part in the mbti test that got me into confusion is the intuition and sensing for me are both balance yet as I took lots, I mean lots of retake exams for this "personality understanding" to gather valid data and mostly I come up with intj though some results come out as istj nonetheless the last test I took is intj I suppose I'll stick to that Now talking with mastery of skill that nailed everything for I consistently in mission of refinement which put me in turbulent mode when i failed mastering skill on my desired output of computated expectations and always producing a totem of mastery material that I always bring with me

[@egomaniac7230]

I'm an INTJ and I have an ISTJ father. Whenever I want to tell him something like a fact or something I have to link it to religion (he is religious) or something that happened in the past or I have to link it to his job! He wouldn't even store it in his short memory, otherwise.😁 We don't get along at all. House used to be war zone before I found out how to get him to listen.

[@sanneolsen6084]

This is why so many ISTJ’s mistype as INTJ. Everyone that compares them completely idealize INTJ’s and portray ISTJ’s as sheeps. Do you really think people are critical enough of themselves to not mistype when “one is better than the other”?

[@Makkino]

Keeper of the library of Alexandria. One could through the entire video that he was talking about Rick Grimes from The walking dead LOL, who coincedently is an ISTJ and lives in a town called Alexandria.

[@CSJoseph]

Dope lol

[@derekperkins8568]

I'm glad I found this video, it answered a lot of questions.

[@Red.Butterfly]

ISTJ mystype as INTJ are my favorites. They always have this super serious profile photo. Always argumentative. Thesaurus masters. And the best of all, they will post questions and they will do their best to prove how wrong your answer is. lmao

[@hlsk1111]

Great video ! Although I've been wondering for a while : I'm an INTJ woman, and I feel like my Fe trickster mainly make me unaware of other people's feeling or certain social norms, such as swearing in inappropriate places for example, or sometimes saying things that are absolutely awkward while thinking it's actually funny, etc. But because of my Se inferior, I feel like I developed ways to still understand what can and cannot be done in public, and even though sometimes I may appear a little weird (again, unaware of other people feelings so I'm not sure), over all I'm nailing it (which I know because I've got great feedback from people around me). My sister on the other hand is an ISTJ, and I feel that this aspect (how to act in public) is more difficult for her than for me. So yeah, I wonder if Se inferior, combined with Te parent, could compensate for the Fe trickster, in a way that is maybe more difficult for ISTJs that doesn't have Se... Thanks again for this amazing content !!

[@tajmarie1329]

Jack of all trades, Master of all ?!! Hehe ...But one thing that I can say for sure is the fact that I am not good with keeping up with details over long extended periods of time. I think that is why I keep up (and value) books as well as notes. I don't see it as much as items of keepsakes as much as I see it as more concrete versions of USB drives -- almost like the case of encryption in transformers. As soon as I finish a research or project, I unconsciously do a mental dump. However, should I need to know this information again, all I need to do is read my old notes and it is just like I learned the information yesterday. It is almost as if my 'present' self knows that my 'future' self is not going to remember the information, so I write information for myself to use in the future. It is another reason why I quickly go in my ISFJ demon mode should someone deliberately (or inadvertently) trash my notes.

[@CSJoseph]

very well said. Master of all does mean retention of all, ISTJs are for retention :)

[@immanuel94]

Keep blazing the trail! 🔥

[@TheBittenBullet]

If an ISTJ walks into a room and instantly knows what everybody else is thinking, then wouldn't they also know their intentions?

[@hfortenberry]

He means "thinking" as in the function, not as in mind-reading everything in their head. INTJ here. We are very good at understanding what someone else is thinking logically speaking because we know all the logic so we recognize which aspect they are referring to.

[@ShadowQuik]

A great example of INTJ and ISTJ in fiction is Walt and Mike in breaking bad. Walt is all about what he wants, and always has unique visions or strategies to accomplish things (Ni hero combined with being pragmatic). Mike on the other hand is more dutiful and sticks to the methods he is used to and does what's "right" or conventional (Si hero combined with being affiliative). There's tons of scenes throughout the show that capture the differences between the two types really well (Particularly in season 5).

[@loverofbeautifulthings]

I always saw Mike as an ISTP and Gus Fring as the ISTJ (but agree about Walt as an INTJ). Not being argumentative, just how I typed them. Perhaps Chase can do a series on all the BB characters!

[@GIGADEV690]

​@@loverofbeautifulthings Gus ain't Istj he ain't by the rules he kills he's boss in Mexico and that's against core principles of Istj

[@drekfletch]

I love the way your mind works.

[@drekfletch]

Except that bathroom-conversation example. That's just no.

[@Lady.Luck.]

I'm an INTJ but heavy on Te so some people think it comes across as ISTJ.. however your opening part about discipline vs focus definitely solidifies it for me. I definitely see ISTJs as having more of a paranoid mindset wow you nailed everything about the comfort needs of INTJ too do you have a facebook group?

[@CSJoseph]

not yet, it is coming

[@viewer1431]

I love facts, and people call me a walking encyclopedia at times, yet I have a terrible memory for things that do not interest me. Even though I remember and recall facts easily, I don't put immense weight in them, and result discard them when proven wrong Aside from that, I very much identify with an INTP. I often wonder though, because I feel like a weird amalgamation of ISTJ and INTJ

[@OliveMule]

Holy sh/t. You're right 100%

[@SweetNovember000]

For sure an INTJ woman #🦄 ...😂😂it’s hilarious to me how the internet makes such a bit deal about INTJ females hence the #🦄

[@diyab1056]

Your content is really good so every time I watch it I gain a new insight 🙌

[@PsiCorps85]

Having watched this, I am still fairly certain I'm not an ISTJ at least. I don't know if I'm the funniest person, though my ENFP friend will often laugh at my jokes -- she's even able to recognize when I'm being sarcastic, which not everybody is. At workplaces though, sometimes I'd page for mold techs to "Reactivate! Reactivate!" a press in the voice of a Dalek or I'd troll some of the nepotism hires I was told to do the work of by giving them a ketchup packet. When they're like, "what's this about?" I would be like, "I was told you needed to ketchup to the press."

[@trevoraugustus2249]

Great point at 17min about any system being able to be hacked and thus manipulating the library of knowledge. I notice this the most with Google and their ability to put their “approved” points of view on the first page (aka search engine optimization). They do this for all the main debates in our culture and it bothers me that smart people get their answers there without looking deeper into the other side.

[@midoribugackt]

INTJ female here in a relationship with an ISTJ male. Thank you!

[@solar0wind]

I'm really not sure what I am anymore. I thought I'm INTJ, but some traits of ISTJ fit extremely well. Especially my long term memory is insanely good. I have so many memories from my early childhood and I remember so so many things that I heard or read once. My short term memory however is probably a bit below average. I also am often afraid of new things (especially new experiences), even when nothing can really happen. On the other hand, I'm quite capable of original thought, plus I used to be extremely gullible because I thought "well, it's possible. It could be true". I think I still am a bit. I feel like in the end I'm an INTJ with a very good long term memory, but I'm not sure. One important thing is my Enneagram type. INTJ 1s seem a lot like ISTJs because 1s are very disciplined and want to do what's right. This fact could be the origin of my confusion.

[@CSJoseph]

sounds ISTJ to me bro. Dont trust tests.

[@solar0wind]

After I wrote the comment, I watched your affiliative vs pragmatic video. I'm definitely pragmatic. I watched those videos because a friend didn't believe that I'm INTJ, either, but after watching these videos I convinced him that I'm INTJ. Although inf Ne could fit, inf Se fits just as well, if not better. By "don't trust tests" do you mean I shouldn't trust Enneagram? Because that's not a test, but simply another typing method, and I know that I have one of the Enneagram types that look most like ISTJ. Enneagram doesn't say anything about the MBTI type, though, so even though the traits might look like a certain type, it has nothing to do with it. And does the amount of your memories really have something to do with personality? In my opinion, the way I remember things is more important. I remember what happened with which people and what was said. I generally don't remember: clothes, haircuts, hair colour of short-haired people, what a room exactly looked like, and so on. Basically very few details. Also, I'm annoyed with my sister and mum (both Si doms) watching or reading something over and over again because they have positive memories with it. Of course, I watch some series several times as well, but the reasons are usually: I want to show it to another person, I'm waiting for the next season, boredom. Tbh, I feel like I'm INTJ, although there is the possibility I could be wrong. I'm interested in your opinion.

[@rollingthunder55]

I'm always amazed for so many similarities between INTJ's and ISTJ's due to the past vs future focuses between us ISTJ's are one of the types I end up arguing with the most. Mainly the fact that my father and sister both are and I can't just dismiss them they way I can a random person. The entire site your sources thing with them drives me up a wall especially with my ISTJ father and some times with my sister. love them both to death, but I can't talk theory generally with them unless I'm able to site a source on it. If its my theory well they tended to completely disbelieve growing up.That being said we do seem to work very well together. Often when doing something family wise I'll handle the planning and my sister will handle the details. Also had a similar relationship with an ISTJ coworker at an old job.

[@Gloria_Whang]

Love your videos! Can't wait for you to finish all your series!

[@CSJoseph]

I will endeavour to do so.

[@xandirkuro4790]

Gotta love how you admit to being weird

[@alainysaur]

I always wondered why people made notecards and wrote stuff on index papers in school/exams ... when I just literally remember them by reading.

[@devimckarof7558]

Well I'm an INTJ and my father is an ISTJ. its like an eternal chaos and misunderstanding. He kinda hates me for lack of discipline and order. for example He has a pen that is literally from 20 years ago and it is still in the same place XD me? I lose things on a daily basis. He completely ignores ideas and plans of future and never gives a crap about my strategies for him to how invest his money. and his superego? oh well once I was like 12 and we had an argument. I decided to run off from house without telling him. it was like only two hours of being out. then? he decided to not talk with me and my mother for like 3 years :)). I used to hate him but then I got to know that he is all about safety and order. but tickling my demon function all the time and talking about order and discipline? not fun for me at all... From personal experience here I would tell they wont get along together at all. some historical and political debates now and then which is fun for both types but other than that its like a battlefield of suffering. sorry for my English I'm not a native speaker. and thank you Mr Joseph, my beloved ENTP human being. you taught me many things and made me understand other people better.

[@CSJoseph]

thanks bro

[@pidpit]

My test results keep going back and forth between the 2, but after watching your video, I'm really starting to think that I'm more of an INTJ. I have TERRIBLE Long term memory, I'm more worried about other people's comfort, and have always been kind of the 'clown' in my family and in my circle.

[@hellochyeah103]

Jesus h I’m a lawyer and you are unironically a better lawyer in the Aristotlean sense than 90% of the profession.

[@underwaterpanther]

You are so fkn brilliant man revisiting your videos over and over. Thank you!

[@lynnh1682]

My moms and istj and im an INTJ go figure and apparently its not that rare. 😒

[@kevinfukthezetamale4298]

When Batman [INTJ] meets Deathstroke [ISTJ], they appeared to be the cold and calculated, however their methods are different, it reminds of the Foil trope from TV Tropes.

[@baaf777]

ISTJs can be really good doctors but not in any field. They are wired to be good radiologists or doctors in nuclear medicine because those professions are for a big part memory based. As their inferior Ne develops in their life, they will also become better in pattern recognition.

[@CSJoseph]

well said.

[@nlee4724]

They can definitely be great doctors in any field, but they will have to learn how to “feel” what their patients feel, and to be a bit more extroverted when it’s needed, eg communication. It can be done. Adds some stress to their lives, but it can be done.

[@MyGoodOpinion]

Well it's official. Definitely not an istj.

[@David-kl5oj]

Cool. Looking forward to intp vs istp

[@HobDobson]

Hand them a screwdriver, point them at someone else's house: hours of entertainment!

[@ricewill420]

idk why but this shit got me rollin 😂😂 maybe cause its true 🤷‍♂️

[@Recuper8]

Loved This!

[@Himeko-wv7fu]

If an INTJ can extract memory from physical objects then it would be normal that an INTJ can have psychic abilities to read messages from things like runes, totems and crystals?