How does my new Dump Trailer stack up to a dump truck. Price break down

[@kathytaramasso1099]

put 2 agm batteries 27s group it would dump fine

[@crappyrider381]

what about a 4 axle dump truck

[@somethingoutdoors1412]

The major benefit of having a dump trailer is you do not have to call somebody and stand around and wait for a load of gravel when you can just get in your truck take your trailer and go and get it yourself. In the morning and if you decide to get in your bobcat and load your trailer with material from your yard you can do that and not have to worry about calling somebody else

[@IManOPERATOR]

Home boy knows how to spread pretty dam well

[@gregjohnson1123]

don'tput any sticky stuff in it and tip on softish ground

[@alsaku33]

Heavy road base geotextile is 100% worth it, especially at your own place vs. a customer. You haul in/out pretty heavy setups all the time, so no doubt all that stone will be mashed into the sub-base material. For 500 bucks, the proper geotextile will save you thousands in terms of re-graveling/touch up. Nice video sir, super jealous of your new trailer!

[@tripler3724]

We started using geotextile five years ago and for our use, it's been the way to go.

[@hcr-motorworks]

yep, gravity ALL the way down...it'll LEAK EVERYWHERE. just had this happen yesterday on the big tex

[@VBELTandSON]

I’ve gone gravity all the way done quite a few times and no leaks yet. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@hcr-motorworks]

@@VBELTandSON interesting, mine the reservoir completely overflows if I gravity all the way down. The levels check fine when stowed and fully extended but for some reason gravity down over fills the reservoir and makes a complete mess haha.

[@2020HotShotTruckingLLC]

Love watching experienced pro's doing what they do...they make the next guy's job much easier!

[@drivingmylifeaway7149]

hey, looking to get into hotshot or expedite loads. where are you out of

[@2020HotShotTruckingLLC]

@@drivingmylifeaway7149 Near Macon Georgia.

[@mattschulz558]

I think the best way to build a yard is to shape everything with dirt first. It shouldn't be perfectly flat but a bit of a slope, maybe hummed in the center a bit depending on the circumstances. Once the ground is shaped to shed water then add your gravel. Also when I order gravel I just get the biggest truck and trailer setup possible. Usually tripple axle end dumps can bring me 27 ton per trip. I just ordered a ironbull 7x16 gooseneck dump with 8k axel to haul my mini excavator and skidsteer. Can bring in a load of sand for backfill and haul away the excess dirt.

[@keithscabin]

Im in the very early stages right now. Just bought a mini for the property. Need tonnes of fill but can't get a truck in yet. So do I buy a dump truck pick up that can pull the mini with a deck trailer? or buy a reg pick up ands a 14' dump trailer? back and forth back an forth.. lol

[@chadmatthews9346]

To me the capacity was too low to do it that way. I bought a trailer similar to Sam, but a bumper pull.....I can load 10k of material and have the ability of putting my Mini or small loader in it. I have a C7500, but the insurance was 3k a year with minimum miles driven and tagged to my commercial policy. Not worth it for me since I do this on the side

[@keithscabin]

@@chadmatthews9346 ya, I plan on working with the machine Part time too. But not til next year. Thanks for the reply, I’m definitely leaning heavily towards the dump trailer

[@richardharvey8939]

Very nice Sam. Keep running what you got until business justifies expense. Get best return on what you have already spent.

[@JM-nt5fm]

Hopefully someone sees this so it's useful: don't do what this guy did. No need for geo textile. Go to your local concrete company and purchase crushed concrete (Typically called "type 2", not number 2 stone, but type two road base). You can buy it for a few dollars a ton ($8 per ton is a normal price). Build yourself a smudge bar for your skid steer. Grade the lot with the smudge bar. Run a few inches of type two. Then cap it with 3/4" crush. It will pack nearly as hard as concrete. The cap will keep it cleaner. What he put down will get mushy with rain and it's expensive. Remember to be strong, the shape of the material must be jagged and there needs to be at least three different dimensional sizes present of proportionally similar volume. They interlock together. The crushed concrete also has unused cerments that will bind chemically over time as it rains.

[@JM-nt5fm]

A Big Tex 16ft dump gooseneck with scissor lift will run you just above $12K brand new. It will transport 6 or 7 tons. It lifts 7 tons no problem. Buy a medium duty daycab for 15K. They are easier to work on and the VT365 is the Ford 6.0 with far less issues. An international 4100 with a VT365 or DT466 will easily pull that trailer. The dump trailer is perfect match for a single bucket from most loader used at many quarries and concrete plants so you aren't wasting the guy's time. No need for 100K worth of equipment, and each run is 1/3 of an end dump. (End dump is 20 to 22 tons). The goal is to get the job done while saving money doing it. In the end the Big Tex can be sold for a high percentage of it's purchase price.

[@VBELTandSON]

What this guy did is holding up perfect. And big Tex is thin trash. I won’t ever buy that brand.

[@jayg479]

We’ve got two dump trucks. Buy partial year tags because we don’t use them much. Haul with the dump trailer or hire a few loads. Same

[@townsendliving9750]

I have been debating this same conundrum for about a year, my dump trailer will hual about 16k, I use it constantly, overloaded it a few times. Was thinking about a dump truck, but diamond C has a double axle 32k GVWR, and a triple axle 36k pound GVWR and some companies make a 40k GVWR trailer, although they are big money it makes me wonder if they tilt the scales enough or come close enough to a dump truck in some situations, theres obviously some benefits to it given its 70k dollars at diamond C or.else they wouldnt make it. I hual trash once a week to the dump, so my plan is just to hual 17k pounds of gravel back every time I go over the next year.

[@stevestancher5733]

your Best Choice would Be to Go with A BEN - LEE Then You can Haul More than a Dump Truck with the Right Set -Up - 55,000 pounds of Material with Their Mini 70,000 with the Right Set-up ,Diamond C Just does not have as much experience as BEN - LEE

[@Smiling_mike]

Nice trailer Sam.

[@denistaramasso9724]

It is easy for me to say go buy a kenworth dump truck 🚚 and trailer but the best thing 👌 to do is your home work and really think how much you are going to use it and the cost . I pay 5 dollars a gallon for diesel fuel in Santa rosa ca . And then the 🛢 oil changes and repairs. Also will need a driver. Then all the fees. Good luck on your adventure.

[@kenmcclure5623]

Stick with your gut and buy what works best for you! Everyone’s situation is a little different.

[@irwingponce6282]

You should price compare to a dump truck without a pup trailer. Is it still better? More cost affective?

[@melissatuason2395]

In any type of business, we all need each other !

[@stevengullison5123]

Good evening, I think you have the best setup now. Don't have to worry about a driver. Thank you for taking the time to video from Steve st.Stephen N.B Canada

[@dylanreedy2649]

Never heard of buying gravel with dirt mixed for a driveway 🤔 nock knocking just surprised

[@VBELTandSON]

Oh you just watch it sets up like concrete

[@dylanreedy2649]

@@VBELTandSON i used a gravel that was "dirty" but it was just gravel drust. I definitely trust and value your knowedge. Youre the pro not me lol

[@paultasker9759]

@@VBELTandSON so is that y’alls version of what we call crush and run here on the east coast? A compacting agent mixed with a aggregate? Thats what we use for a paver base and driveways. Iv never heard of the dirt mixed either unless you don’t actually mean soil.

[@lukeshurtleff9770]

I'm thinking he means recycled base rock which is concrete some asphalt and it can be a little dirty. But with the concrete dust it does set up like concrete.

[@roynelson8140]

When I first saw your video I didn't think it was about content I might be interested in I was disgusting with my son and he informed me your content was good I have since been watching and have definitely been interested in your content but your name didnt catch me

[@rockingkvideos3160]

More good information, thanks for sharing Sam👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸

[@herbybrooks5131]

It is what it is you have to do what is best for you and your business and it's up to you to deside what makes the financial sence

[@thomasblair6316]

Always wanted a semi and belly dump for doing long driveways in central Oklahoma. Bought a used setup a few years back and it has been a huge unending expense. The truck and belly isn't my primary busy model and now after a new motor and set of tires thinking about going back to gooseneck dump trailer and gooseneck flatbed for moving the dozer and tractors. If I had employees to keep all the equipment busy might be a different story.

[@TheMr9fingers]

One has to figure out what works for them. Your Dump trailer does things that a dump truck cant do and vis versa Dumping on the move to spread gravel is awesome even better is when they have a pup trailer and dump both truck and trailer at once As for you getting a Semi whatever it is one needs to figure out what fits there needs for your operation Id run a hook loader that way you could have multiple decks and or bins but thats me

[@SawmillerSmith]

U owned an old 1866 single axle dump that would hold 8 tons. Had a straight 6 gasoline. I learned to spread good with that because I would say spread and rake in my ad.

[@Leftlane918]

Good video

[@baeronwheels3922]

The scales on the loaders at stone quarry's are normally off compared to the actual certified scales that the scales person prints your ticket my quarry That I work at 1 loader is 1/2 ton light a 980H, 1 is 3/4 - 1 ton heavy 980G and the pit loader a 988H is 1/4 of a ton light, so loader operators are making estimated gasses

[@TpetPlayr]

This video was great man. Thanks for doing that pricing stuff. I'm looking to get a 16k excavator, and the difference between a dump truck and dump trailer. this answered all the questions immediately. Thanks!

[@gavhirt9168]

As a ex equipment tech a half bucket load while on float will compact and level especially with crush and run more k s per scoop

[@sprucegoose1016]

Good idea doing that 👍 Can't wait to get my own place and shop 😎

[@nickisaacs132]

Have you used your spreader gate yet? They will do as good a job as the big truck. It does require a helper to control the bed and gate. $100 per hour for a pickup truck and trailer is California rates, can't get that much here, rural Arizona.

[@joshlower1]

You also don't pay 5 bucks a gallon for fuel lol

[@charlesedwards8030]

Thing with dump trucks is that you have to keep them working 24/7 to make money .

[@TheMr9fingers]

One thing id do with all the gravel you have id build or buy a land plane use to use one at the Deere dealership i worked at use to maintain 5 acres of lot with it youncould have it mount on the skid steer or the tractor

[@sblsbl7600]

Interesting cost analysis. If your dump trailer builds up a new revenue stream for you, you may need the dump truck. I would wait until you can't live without it rather than buy something that might not pay for itself.

[@chadmatthews9346]

Love your Channel man...Just bought a LP16 Big Tex. I have a tilt trailer with 7k axles and wanted a little more margin. I'm not trying to load it to max capacity, but the 16' box also gave me the ability to carry my Mini Ex or Maxo Loader in it and then load some debri at a job site. I sold my old 6x12 dump trailer a couple of years ago and bought a dump truck(C7500) that put me in CDL territory. My insurance company wanted 3k a year for insurance, but I only do this on the side and implement my current small business with it, so It was hard to justify. Nice to have a dump trailer again. BTW, I have looked for your other channel and can't find it. Why not link it here or like it so it shows in your favorites for us to find? Trying to help you hit that 100k or get your numbers up on the other one....Keep up the hard work, it always pays off.

[@Ramdodge582]

for me, 1 hour round trip to the quarry. 12.50-14 per ton depending on what i get. i get 6 tons. i don't have anywhere for a transfer to swap so singles or super heavy deliveries only if you can get one. most trucks take 15 tons and the cheapest i can get a 15 ton delivery is 450 bucks. owner operators are making about $240/hour off me minus overhead. seems crazy to me.

[@jasonburger3085]

Have you used the 1-1/2 ab from cool cave quarry ? That stuff is awesome for bridging mud

[@gregolson1824]

It’s crazy how different pricing is on stuff in different areas of the country. Here in CT a triaxle dump hauls 22-24tons of material and hourly rate is $85 an hour. For a load of 3/4 process delivered is pretty much right at $400. That being said you could get $100 per delivery in CT for the dump trailer or small dump truck like a f550 because you can get into tighter places and also will deliver less then a triaxle load. People will pay that $100 because they may only need a ton or two of something and triaxles have so much work around here no one does less then full loads normally.

[@MrGreatisthelord]

My dump trailer has the ability to do the tailgate trick. Never tried it but I was surprised yours didn’t have that

[@VBELTandSON]

It has it aswell. I think they all do now

[@VBELTandSON]

@@mwilliamshs I’ve done it. Just put a chain on it like the trucks do. Trailer comes with a spot to hook the chain and everything. Just takes practice

[@cwatts8482]

You need to look at a hooklift truck. Get some cans, flatbed, even some log bunks it’ll haul everything you have but the 180.

[@VBELTandSON]

I’ve been looking for a hook truck. No luck so far

[@diamond_industries]

Love the content, new dump trailer looks like it is doing everything you need

[@gungadinn]

Once you reach the point where V Belt & Sons needs multiple pieces of equipment on a job site, it might make sense to purchase a truck tractor and and large lowboy trailer to haul all of your equipment. With semi truck as part of your operation, later adding a used dump trailer might make sense if you can show a return on investment in a year or less. To go out and drop $80K on a new dump trailer without being full time in the business, is asking to go out of business.

[@ryanrockwell916]

You want Dolemite

[@brianherron5400]

Driver done a great job on tailgating the gravel. Have a great evening 👍.

[@josemigueljr]

I personally like semi trucks. But it definitely has its ups and downs. I have two and currently one of them is without a motor 🙃 the good thing is trucking isn't our main source of income rather just to save on cost of paying others for deliveries

[@jdq79]

I do a lot of driveway work and always need multiple loads of material. This year I started getting bid requests for jobs that wouldn’t require much material. If I could find a driver that would deliver half loads the delivery cost would still be the same and always made my bids to high. I bought a used dump trailer and now I’m able to get these smaller jobs that pay just as good. So far it was a good investment that’s paying off.

[@Drew6709]

Get a truck ONLY IF YOU HAVE THE WORK TO JUSTIFY THE PURCHASE. If not, go the cheaper route and hire a truck for the bigger jobs that would require some hauling that isn't cross country. It all depends on what your job is, do you have the business to keep that purchase going to make money, and keep a piece of equipment steadily busy. Plus several other factors, but this just a start.

[@cjc821]

Weird that you used the fines as a base. I guess you are still learning.

[@VBELTandSON]

Well good morning skipper. The graveled area is Still holding up great. Must have been just luck. 💁🏼‍♀️

[@dylanpeterson6449]

If your unsure... buy used where if you decide to do something different you can sell it for roughly what you put into it. Once you come to the decision of using it every day or you see the value in it... then commit to the monthly payment.

[@5cent27]

Ole boy has tailgated a few loads in his day. 👍

[@doylemaintenance]

I'm not seeing how you can carry 17000lbs of payload? trailer is 7 ton with 2 X 7 thou axles, trailer weighs 5 thousand plus 17 is 22,0000lbs with a trailer legal for 14 thou gvw, with 3,000lb tonque weight thats only 17,000lb gross weight?

[@VBELTandSON]

Trailer is rated for 25,000lbs Not a little trailer from tractor supply

[@doylemaintenance]

@@VBELTandSON with only 4 tires? ima lookin that up. Thanks

[@doylemaintenance]

@@VBELTandSON OK I see 10,000lb single axles nice !! wish we had those up here.

[@VBELTandSON]

@@doylemaintenance where you at?

[@doylemaintenance]

@@VBELTandSON eastern ontario Canada. 1.5 hours west of Ottawa. Biggest axles on dump trailers for sale around here are 8 thousand lb. I just bought a triaxle 21,000 lb dump

[@lovejcdc]

I wonder how many big rig competitions that driver has won lol great video

[@mshea10666]

That is a kickass setup. 🤙🤙

[@cameronyoung6402]

Love these videos makes me want to buy a dump and switch over from bumping docks

[@sargentslaughter3509]

Check into a used truck, I'm not sure what's available our your way or what the emissions regulations are in California but maybe it could be an option?

[@geraldkoth654]

23 A Modified is the packing stone we have available where I summer in Michigan. It packs itself in a day or two.

[@Videogamerforlife69]

now theres a guy who knows how to drive dump truck

[@mattywho8485]

Watching battery powered pumps on dump trailers is painful to watch. I ran remotes to the rear of my ton truck to plug the trailer into the PTO powered hydraulics on the truck and it is the ONLY way to go ! Sit in the cab, lift the bed, move the truck forward to empty the trailer, done. (And no jump pack)

[@AaronTheViking250]

Now granted Canadian and American is different but truthfully from what I have heard and seen for myself i would have to agree and say hands down stick with your dump trailer an current set up.

[@jamesstrope9053]

did you calculate the convenience of his ability to spread those loads

[@joshlower1]

He could do the same with the trailer if he had the right tailgate setup

[@chrisbee4702]

living the dream.

[@outwestcountryliving9735]

Dump truck would not pay for you. Unless you drive it all the time, by the time you pay a driver & payroll, have someone to work on it, with license & insurance I don't think it would pay. All trucking companies I've been around figure you have to have 5 trucks to make any money unless you have drivers who can work on the trucks and take very good care of then. Unless you plan on getting bigger with more headaches, I would stick with your dump trailer and higher the big dump jobs done. Like your channel.

[@ForTeensFitness]

I sub all my dumping with super 10’s or transfers. Waste too much time with the dump trailer hauling any material over 4-8 yds. Dump trucks the way to go if you can keep it busy forsure.

[@jannearo328]

I've never mastered rollin' and dumping. I usually make piles at irregular intervals....

[@VBELTandSON]

It’s a real talent when you get it figured out

[@kalebrivers5260]

With my dump trailer I always get a pile at start because i cant open the gate when its raised up because of pressure...but basically an soon as it starts to trickle rock ill goose the truck and get the rock to slide to the back...then just drive at a steady pace and it spreads as pretty as the dump truck

[@matteogomez3678]

I swear California invented tailgating you hardly never see it out here and if you do they ain’t very good at it 🇺🇸

[@spikep9299]

Rock on !

[@shanereilly9309]

If what you are doing now is safe and working out for you, why change. There’s something to be said for familiarity.

[@johnlemmey7698]

The time it takes to organize an employee cuts in to your productivity. You must consider your time and stress in the equation.

[@VBELTandSON]

Exactly

[@clintonknight8897]

Love the movie he’ll yea get er done I have done slam bang and done spreading it does take skill but once u got it it’s awsome. Also jw sir why did u cover the diamond c name and not for hire jw

[@daviddesimone342]

Dirt perfect wants to sell hiis semi large dump trailer

[@chadmatthews9346]

He needs to get Lt. Dan done, lol

[@gavhirt9168]

Call Andrew he has a pos for you

[@VBELTandSON]

He has a lot of those

[@gavhirt9168]

@@VBELTandSON think he is a hoarder for pos equipment

[@clafournaise]

If it were me, I wouldn't try to factor in my own labor rate on my day off. If there's no opportunity cost to your time, I think it's an error to include $100/hr for your own time. The price of the pickup + dump trailer method (on your day off due to weather) is just the materials and the sunk cost of the equipment. This changes the balance-- you paid $600 for the semi operator to do what you could have done for free by spending the rest of the day on it.

[@CopperheadWelding]

Man that is expensive I get that stuff for $85 for 12 tons

[@Blackwellll3066]

Why not buy a single axle or even a tandem axle dump truck....something that's better than gooseneck but not spend the money of what a transfer cost

[@IManOPERATOR]

An I first again 😁

[@rustysdirtworks8398]

Unless you are hauling literally hundred of tons of rock, you can't ever come out buying a trailer, compared to having it hauled in, a few loads at a time, and you can't "tailgate" or spread with that trailer

[@nickisaacs132]

Why not? At least half of my deliveries with my dump trailers are spread. I tell my customers, if you need a large volume of material, call a big truck. I fit in with small loads for the customer that don't want/need a large load or someone that can only afford a small load at a time.

[@jaybirdls1]

Muddy A Parking Lot? What about muddy B and C parking lots?? LOL jk

[@jeremyc7810]

Lol. Just send it to the p.o. box

[@drivingmylifeaway7149]

I run my trucks for 125 an hour. end dumps. tri axles average 80-100 an hour I've done it for 11 years. gradually getting out of it. cost of insurance, maintenance, tags, stone etc. prices just keep going up... it's a watered down line of work. if you get into it. it's a lifestyle. I chased contracts, don't really mess with residential. too many factors and liability. keep up the good work man!