I have some additional discussion on this topic on the 2nd channel, check it out if you want to see some more rambles this one is on wellstring: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5K8paKnaK-cotE
@Topaz_1027Ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this kind of informative video and I’d love to see more of this.
@SimoneBellomonteАй бұрын
Good video but 1 thing that id like to add is that C-Rank, B-Rank and A-Rank, etc. dont really have a “true” meta, becaushe yesherkrtrdzszh, jusht like u said the strategiesh in there just devolve into and consishtrekrtrdzszh of people face-running head-1• onto the objective without a care in the world or almost, but the thing is can it really be called a meta if their skill isnt even comparable to a Top 5% player, at low-ranks i call it jusht “fake-meta” because whatever worksh there, clearly only works there and startsh getting crappier and crappier the more or less u move up. Think about AIs and how they play and learn about the gamesh, 1• they start using smth bad, then they develop a counter to whatevers countering them by either switching weaponsh, kitsh, gearsh, playshtryleszhdgjklhgfdzszh, etc., or jusht playing a whole lot better, but then new optionsh that counter those arise up that also kind of counter the 1• onesh, and so they pick a new optimal 1. Im sorry for making it very long lol but for example look at the AI in Melee video, they constantly counterpicked each other until both eventyually ended up on Fox lol and played perfectly until the video-maker had to step in and introduce some RNG as a handicap to both. Now obviously the main difference here is that in Melee they were both top-level, but again thatsh not to say that the “most-effective tactic available” in C-Rank isnt to just play Pencil (although tbh Pencil is probably the best weapon in SoloQ rn lol and itsh not like it cant slay, i mean itsh still a long-range charger in a game chock-full of bad maps lol) jusht that Fox, a top-tier character would still destroy in a low-skill environment when used by a top-player even if it might not be AS GOOD at stomping noobs like your typical “noob-stomper” would. TL,DR:; A Top-Tier might work less better at low-levels when used by pros, but itsh still gonna be good at doing so, even if not as good as much at doing so than smth like, Flingza i guess (which is my main so ik i can carry games with it at low-ranks with jusht a little bit of SCU lol [Im X Rank btw]) and as such i tend to call the metash in low-ranks “fake”-metash.
@SimoneBellomonteАй бұрын
And also 1 last thing is that the 3x Sloshing Machine wasnt really meta, you only THOUGHT it wash meta, aka like ive said beforeshzkghjklkrtrdrrtrrerrtrrdrrtrrdzszh it wash only a fake-meta until u figured out Crab wash op lol.
@kayoh9364Ай бұрын
"Most Effective Tactics Available" is a backronym, not the actual meaning of the term. But it's useful enough that people keep repeating it, clearly.
@winter945Ай бұрын
Yeah it is actually a term reffering to "the game within the game" using the original meaning of meta, and the term meta is a shortening of metagame
@jvdosАй бұрын
Fr, as Chara kinda said at the beginning, that acronym doesn’t really capture the meaning of the word. “Meta” (as it apply to games) is what tactics players of the game are choosing to use which, sure tends to be the most effect ones, but thats not technically the same thing. Thats not even mentioning the use of the word outside of gaming, which came first and is both a prefix and an adjective describing something that is self-referential. i know i sound like a MASIVE nerd but this really bothers me. All if my friends were convinced that the backronym was the correct one and had never heard the word being used outside of gaming- actually not even outside video games, at all.
@QuargosАй бұрын
@@winter945 Actually, that's the reverse of it. Meta refers to going *out* a layer, not *in* a layer. The meta-game therefore, going out a layer, is the game of choosing what strategies or tactics one uses in the game itself.
@Driftwood-MLАй бұрын
Nuh-uh! After all metaphysics is about the best tactics for doing well in physics exams. ;-P
@winter945Ай бұрын
@@Quargos I believe it is "the game within the game" because you have to first learn how to play the game, and then learn the metagame. Though you would have to ask the magic the gathering players who first coined the term about it
@MeloniestNeonАй бұрын
The Meta is whatever weapon I find to be most annoying and OP that day because I died to it two times in a singular match
@ShaOryDowАй бұрын
"Splatted by Sprinkler" "Splatted by Sprinkler"
@NorthSudanАй бұрын
its even worse if you know the weapon is supposed to be bad nerf clash blaster
@MeloniestNeonАй бұрын
@@ShaOryDow Smh sprinkler OP it killed me in the rainmaker animation one time
@weewoo3023Ай бұрын
@@NorthSudan clash ain't even that bad lmao, it does tickle damage
@demithefiendАй бұрын
real
@freshmaggotАй бұрын
The roller example is really why this current “meta” is pretty healthy. There’s a lot of weapons with excellent potential that just need a better circumstance and/ or one guy to show it some love. As much as we complain about splatoon devs’ odd choices there’s a lot to appreciate about the game’s balance.
@jacobover3933Ай бұрын
I live that you use the jet scelcher clip even still 😂
@Small_LeviathanАй бұрын
Something you touch on briefly that I think is a very important part of the equation is that the devs really can't know what will or won't be good. They can do their own playtests, sure, but that is a drop in the ocean compared to the amount of experimentation the playerbase will do when they get their hands on the game. I remember a League of Legends developer saying that the amount of data they get on game balance from the two weeks of trying things out in test servers (which players can join to try things out and give them feedback) gets eclipsed by data from the live servers in LESS THAN AN HOUR.
@Ethan-dj2hlАй бұрын
I love this breakout of "meta". Its very common for people just think "oh this is broken lets nerf it," without considering how said weapon / character plays in different skill levels / compositions.
@BluebatstarАй бұрын
The meta being extremely different at different levels of play is something that’s just really fascinating to me, not gonna lie. I dunno why, it just is. This is genuinely one of my favourite videos you’ve made, it’s so nice to have a really good video on this topic! It’s something I’ve always wanted to hear more discussion about as a whole
@jvdosАй бұрын
Was scared Chara was being for real about META being an acronym. 😅 Gamers forget that the word doesn’t just apply to games.
@theclown2257Ай бұрын
In this specific context, it could be an acronym...apparently. idk, this is the first time I'm hearing about it
@demithefiendАй бұрын
To be fair, that is a really popular backronym. He probably just heard it a lot and didn't realize it was just made up one bc people really really really like making backronyms lol
@SimoneBellomonteАй бұрын
So are you forgetting that in thish context itsh then perfectly valid to have it be ushed as an acronym? 💀
@Scratchy_WolfАй бұрын
Chara Immediately in the Intro really said nah to the outro bit lol
@CATLOAFMANАй бұрын
Wait the meta is based on the players So maybe the real meta was the friends we met along the way
@MeloniestNeonАй бұрын
So true though
@GlitchedCactusАй бұрын
I really enjoyed this video. I forget that the meta is so drastically different throughout the skill levels of the game and it really makes you think about things that stick to the lower level players that the top level tries to make best fit for them. Some weapons like short range shooters are destined for almost all levels but how they're used changes up as you rise up in skill. Sometimes even the weapon itself changes role wise depending on how comps need to be ran. Example Splattershot being originally used to be more frontline heavy but now plays a bit more supportive to supply paint and use more zookas per game.
@RaymanKO99Ай бұрын
I thought the word "Meta" was because of Meta Knight in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and how broken he was in that game lol
@Ebony-ip6oyАй бұрын
As a blaster player I get PTSD from ink armour
@corgikun2579Ай бұрын
I understand your pain, as an e-liter I will never stop talking about the day I faced 31 ink armors from the enemy team in solo in splatoon 2
@WrathfulMitzune-yc3vxАй бұрын
Wtf were they using
@FaisalBashir1Ай бұрын
I think everyone who didn’t main a shooter in splat 2 thought that too 😂
@Ebony-ip6oy23 күн бұрын
I will never use shooter weapons* *semi-autos don't count as shooters
@tadhgferriswayne2986Ай бұрын
I think this might be one of my favorite videos you’ve ever made! It hits the same itch that the map problems video did, and I think you showcase things that players from all levels can benefit from, which isn’t easy to do. Thanks for you and your team’s hard work :)
@L9_ElliotАй бұрын
Chara talking deeply about the game with stormblood ost combo hits hard
@SuspiciousTemmieАй бұрын
I love seeing discussion videos like this from Chara, it's always really interesting to hear his thoughts on things like this. (And the presentation is always amazing too)
@GrimmRiotАй бұрын
I started watching your channel as a casual turf player who only tried ranked a few times in 2. I lost every match, never tried again and felt too intimidated to try ranked in 3. but then I watched one of your older vids of you smurfing in c rank in 2 and watching you basically showcase what you explain about c rank meta helped give me the confidence to try it out for myself again. And then I fell in love with the game after having a less involved casual interest in it 😊
@romanawwАй бұрын
Speaking of meta; I really love challenges, where only one type of weapon is allowed. It creates a situation where I think about countering what others could choose. Like during the beakon-only challenge, I chose custom dualie squelchers bc I found that they outrange and outpaint most other beakon weapons. With no bombs available, kiting was even more useful which CDS is great at. Super Chump also paired nicely with it as it painted and shielded me and allies, making for a really aggressive weapon in this beakon-only meta. Basically, while I find CDS underwhelming usually, it was a monster in this challenge. I just love those challenges haha
@enduringz61Ай бұрын
This video made me super excited for the eventual splatoon 3 meta history videos lol
@gideonlastnamenotfound1578Ай бұрын
Meta discussion is honestly so interesting to me, just seeing the game evolve is so cool. Watching it go from crab meta and spamming burst to slightly better special spam of cooler. Cannot wait to see where it goes after midline meta.
@lorettabes4553Ай бұрын
04:46 Oh man, I remember this lmao. It's funny when you go back to the first splatoon 3 tournament - that playstyle was still stuck in everyone's heads.
@PrismarkАй бұрын
The Roller player is also a prime example of "in the right hands" as it shows that while some combinations will always seem to be the best, it is taking a weapon, building your playstyle around its core strenghts and showcase the overlooked potential. That's why there is never such a case like a "set" meta. The key to a strong combination is building. Building yourself with the weapon, building your team-play and building around the situation.
@EliasWolf-zx5eeАй бұрын
Hey chara I wrote a letter to Nintendo to be able to cash in your drink tickets for chunks and they wrote back saying that I sent it to the wrong department of Nintendo and that they would send it to the right department
@rhikke07Ай бұрын
I think that this was a perfect video. I don't really know how if I can explain it well but the video touches on so many different aspects from game design, to vision to how players develop strategies in not just a very digestable way for viewers, but that could have actually applied to any game. The examples were focused around splatoon but it could have represented anything. I don't know what to say, its just a extremely well made video that properly explains things and I thought it was every entertaining. :)
@lovemykids570mommyvloggerАй бұрын
'da meta' -porchara , apparentyl
@MrGosamaruАй бұрын
This was one of your most interesting videos yet!
@Kosta_5Ай бұрын
The range blaster being blue made me go POG
@zeropointer125Ай бұрын
The original definition I heard of a Metagame is the use of knowledge from outside the game. For a trading card game example, the game is I have to build a deck and I have no idea what my opponent could be playing. However that isn't necessarily the case, I can get an idea of what I would face against from experience or knowledge of the strength of a deck. I can then use that knowledge when constructing my deck, and the use of that knowledge is the metagame. It then slowly morphed into succinctly into "what is the best strategy"
@NexusspeethАй бұрын
It’s crazy how different the mains are in different metas. In anarchy, blob is basically irrelevant, but as a turf war player, I proudly main it.
@silvadic2207Ай бұрын
The way I see meta, as a player who’s looked into other games, other weapons, and just other ideas (before retiring from Splatoon), META is pretty personal too. It’s not just the community making the changes and development, but as you’ve said, the player. They could pick something completely different because of potential. Any weapon can be good, they just need the right person to see the potential and take it up there!
@DjiimonАй бұрын
"Most Effective Tactics Acknowledged" seems more accurate.
@chinook3.0Ай бұрын
At 1:20 with tower control that still happens in my games in S rank on both teams, but it’ll be a charger or a weapon with kraken or bubble on tower instead.
@Spicy_Nr.4Ай бұрын
that was an amazing video to better unterstand what META stands for. Great Video;)
@SolarSpinnerАй бұрын
The best way to describe a "metagame" I've ever heard is that it's a game within the game. At a base level you have Splatoon 3 the video game on Nintendo switch, you turn it on and you play, you use the weapons avaliable on weapon select, play how you want to play as a player, ect. The "meta" game is the game players are playing WITHIN that game, you have splatoon 3, but within Splatoon 3 we are playing for example Crab meta, when you play in competitive you are playing the game everyone else has in their mind that we're all attuned with, you are all playing in accordance to the weapons strategies the maps everyone else is, depending on the environment (the meta) It results in us playing the game in a different way and on a different level than the "standard" way to play, that level IS the metagame, our own game we play with each other within the game
@moon_wastakenАй бұрын
I was chatting with some splatoon buddies and we thought that good weapon design is if the weapon became meta, it wouldn’t become unhealthy and could be played in multiple play styles. If octobrush became meta (which I think could happen) it would be healthy as it mostly plays aggro but if something like a blob became meta it would sit back spamming paint and special
@nikonope418Ай бұрын
Hey this is just a note, but you can use inkvac on missiles to charge your shot
@cielwolf4603Ай бұрын
Bro the ffxiv music is making me want to play so much. That aside I actually like this breakdown discussion of meta talk c:
@lemonquacklolАй бұрын
This was actually super interesting, the whole cycle of “meta is whatever counters the meta”
@NovaBlue242Ай бұрын
This was a really interesting essay, thanks. I often think about this game's balance, and wonder whether people are right to say that the patches were handled badly, or the devs know what they're doing and have different priorities. It's such a complex task when you think about it, having to have a vision/direction that guides the balance direction, choosing when and what to buff/nerf to eventually wind up reaching your goal, etc. I almost feel like asking for specific weapon buffs is missing the point, but on the other hand, not every buff needs to have a solid purpose, does it? It's okay to improve weapons in meaningful ways even if it upsets the balance a little, I think.
@THECyberStrikerАй бұрын
This vid was so good??? It goes hard for some reason I can’t exactly explain it
@ShurikanBladeАй бұрын
Idk what it is about this vid but it felt refreshing and like one of the better vids as of late
@THECyberStrikerАй бұрын
Frrr
@MCToothButАй бұрын
Okay so, what i got from that is the meta is the friends we made along the way
@JazyyWazyyАй бұрын
incredible explanatioin !! thank u spreading it chara
@LOL_1243Ай бұрын
Thx for making a video about meta for the new people, one thing I would add is what's healty and unhealty for the game, people want a balance for how fun it's to play and watch the game, that makes it grow but if it's not fun to watch and/or play it's unhealty and the game gets less popular
@LOL_1243Ай бұрын
For whats healty and unhealty for the game depends on what the developer wants, for exempel in splatoon 2 nobody wanted to make bans and the end game got to boring for both sides, and in ssb melee woboling with ice climbers got baned because it was unhealty for the game, so not only is the vison of the developer to decide whats healty and unhealty for the game, but also for the players to make what they want more of to get more of it (like banimg zoka and pensil and trying to make the developers make better maps with feedback)
@Legend_FaceАй бұрын
New meta idea. Quad CRB. Just think of the chaos!
@meta4240Ай бұрын
I dunno how I happened. All I know is that splatoon is very fun
@frederikgjernrosenberg868Ай бұрын
I love how many of us know exactly what he's talking about as soon as he puts the area cup match up LMAO
@munkaman8384Ай бұрын
Question from a non-player: Why is Neo Splash the weapon chosen for paint over other short-range shooters? Junior, Sploosh, and Aerospray are also high paint options in that weapon class, so why not one of them? Alternatively, why a shooter? Dread Wringer and the entire splattling class also have high paint, so why don't they see play?
@ProCharaАй бұрын
I'll talk about this a bit more in a future video, but long story short Suction as a supportive bomb Better fighting then jr/sploosh/aero Mobility helps keep it alive more then something like Dread Strike is very valueable for the same role and a stronger special then any of these other options
@giganticmoonАй бұрын
In context, being gaming, the acronym is correct
@Deg-noАй бұрын
could you try doing a video going over splatoon competitive team history? Like following the story of a certain team, why they were important / good etc.
@SodasGumballАй бұрын
10:18 aMSa MENTIONED
@SickmmanerАй бұрын
I noticed that you read the script differently. A bit more casual, with more breaks in between words. It's an interesting change.
@ItsWolf0Ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! I really needed to know this 😅
@dosilius2568Ай бұрын
I think one important thing that wasn't mentioned about meta is: lag. Part of the game, part of the meta.
@SaltyToad00Ай бұрын
True. This game's netcode is the reason why we don't see many Brella mains outside of Japan. Edit: This statemen has aged like milk. Nintendo is changing Brellas to fix latency.
@BigPro1123Ай бұрын
Can’t wait till splatoon 7 when big swig might finally be considered a viable option
@frigglefry_Ай бұрын
when chara was talking about what ever is easiest to win and sitting back I knew he was gonna show the clip
@sabbatage1870Ай бұрын
Ngl I always thought the "meta" came from Smash Bros. Brawl where the tier list was based on who could fight the most overpowered character "META" Knight
@sato_prettyvillage323Ай бұрын
I don't play Splatoon at all, but I do play other games with a "meta" and I think this video is pretty informative, hahaha
@daultimatecreeper6256Ай бұрын
Can’t wait for Big Swig to be meta
@AlePutridaАй бұрын
Hypnos jump scare 😭
@Ballistic2770Ай бұрын
9:44 Ayo why is this clip mirrored? 🤨
@SilksongHornetАй бұрын
Do you think wave would be meta if each wave healed your team 45 damage?
@Spyra-MaxАй бұрын
I just thought of this but what if ink storm had ink lightning strikes 🤔 so the lightning strikes would pulse and deal idk damage and the rain 🌧️ would deal less damage.
@EchoSynthesisАй бұрын
The first 6 seconds was the best video ive ever watched 🔥
@mspaintero7419Ай бұрын
Ok now soon we'll get ultra stamp meta right? ..right?
@noremforАй бұрын
Omw to make Undercover Brella meta in B rank Splat Zones
@SaltyToad00Ай бұрын
The intro cracked me up.
@Rootof-2Ай бұрын
Great vid chara
@PrincePoisonАй бұрын
A lot of people want everything to be buffed to the same insane power level of stamper and pencil instead of just nerfing them, but putting too much focus on buffing the weapons takes away other core parts of splatoon. Why be squid rolling or swimming when you could just use one of the many amazing weapons in this hypothetical meta. It’s like buffing the guns in an ability shooter to the point of not even using the abilities.
@slyllamademon2652Ай бұрын
The reason 3 machines is not as effective as 3 splashes, is because splashes have a high TTK, are full auto with no RNG, and have crab as a special.
@dankwealy6522Ай бұрын
I was wondering how to you get those photos in the lobby of your character? I know how to in recon and the square but I’m curious on how to get to photo mode in the lobby.
@2KStrife11Ай бұрын
Outside of weapons. There something I had an issue with mainly Tri Color. What I don’t understand is why do both attacking team when the point of it is to beat the Defending team. There’s been so many fests where I get screwed over in Tri color cuz the other attacking team kills us. Do u perhaps any insight on why this could be?
@Blyeth-go4wrАй бұрын
area cup 2 clip jumpscare
@DJFroodyАй бұрын
Amazing video 👏
@pchrisАй бұрын
A meta meta analysis
@user-we6ou8lp2cАй бұрын
I thought meta was short for metaknight like in brawl! *shudders
@magic3734Ай бұрын
Video 87 of commenting on Chara videos till brella is good
@ghostreniАй бұрын
The Meta classification/differences between levels of play is a reason why I wish low level was willing to be more experimental. You can get away with a lot of wonky comps in low level if you really want to, but at least from what I’ve seen a lot still go for the same exact things top players use. Which yes, is a good strategy to get more used to it the closer you get…but I just wanna see more creativity ;-; there are low tier weapons that honestly even if only slightly do have a chance to shine in low level but I don’t rlly see anyone trying that
@Solar_does_editsАй бұрын
YALL WAKE UP CHARA POSTED
@TheDreadedAstelleАй бұрын
Do you have any ideas for how to balance a version of zipcaster as a sub weapon? maybe no damage
@zugiii1086Ай бұрын
Finally I know what META stands for lol
@VulcanfauxАй бұрын
Is that ff14 music I hear? From Doma castle?
@MammothMakesStuffАй бұрын
I thought M.E.T.A. stood for “Meat Eating Tasabi Assosiation” 💀
@kilvasАй бұрын
good video but i missed like half of it because i got too distracted listening to the doma castle music. its good tho keep using ffxiv music 👍
@InklingB617Ай бұрын
Does the meta also effect casual players,If so... how? I would like to know
@theclown2257Ай бұрын
Wait...meta was an acronym this entire time!?
@nicefighterАй бұрын
as the top comment puts it, meta being short for "most effective tactics available" is a backronym (which is when people make an acronym out of an existing word and claim that's its meaning/etemological origin despite it not actually being the case)
@Beckett.Ай бұрын
not related but i really hate acronyms that are also words. like, either just use an acronym or just use a word. if the acronym spells out a word, just use the word.
@EliasWolf-zx5eeАй бұрын
Hey chara I am planning at the end of July to right another letter and I want to include what the community wants and I was wondering if you could give me ideas to buff weapons nerf weapons and others
@ferret77Ай бұрын
so if Neo Splash (a weapon with poor fighting capabilities) is used to spam paint and use special, then does that mean that other high-paint options like Gold Aerospray are viable? What makes Splash better than the rest?
@_pancakes1734Ай бұрын
my guess is that a) strikes might be more useful than booyah bomb & more importantly b) neo splash is still able to hold its own unlike aerospray. while spray does great with painting, it does terrible in fights because of its wide spread. this means it has to play more passively, which will ultimately lower its paint output over the course of the match. splash probably just strikes the perfect balance between getting enough paint & special to fill the spot while still having enough power to take space without its special. this is just my guess though.
@catsinwonderland7473Ай бұрын
Jump accuracy??? I dunno, that's why I use it.
@harmless9336Ай бұрын
Every time it comes up I'm still confused by this: crab meta was called crab meta because crab was overpowered on only splash. Dualies were acceptable but nothing like splash and the other two were bottom tier despite having clearly the strongest special in the game without question. Why isn't it called splash meta since splash was the biggest problem with crab?
@lillypad6936Ай бұрын
I think it was called crab meta because, sure, it was splash that was insane with crab, but the meta was focused on getting, and fighting, crab. Machine was used because it was good against crab. Pencil sucked because it couldn't fight booyah, and crab. Splash was top tier, but everything was focused on beating crab. Not exactly beating splash.
@Fenyx_BirbАй бұрын
I always found it rude whenever people described competitive play as a "fun sucking sweat fest of try hards" when makes literally no sense. Especially the "fun sucking" part, if you want to ruin all the fun in the game, then you wouldn't even want to play it to begin with for thousands of hours? Literally also ignoring the fact that a decent amount of people see a weapon that's kinda meh and say "I can make it work".
@LogiCreatesАй бұрын
ffxiv good
@frob1eАй бұрын
video 2 of commenting on charas videos til grb is released (I forgor lol)
@puellabella3580Ай бұрын
I just wish splatoon players werent so quick to write off a meta as solved, its very annoying. Every active meta in any competitive game sees major changes to its tier list over time even with zero developer input. Plenty of competitive metas have seen changes a decade after dev support as ended. Meanwhile, splatoon players act like their meta is solved after 6 weeks.
@Aego384Ай бұрын
Is it just me or is Chara speaking very slowly?
@user-bb2op9he1xАй бұрын
wait, isnt the word meta greek?
@AmapolaMysteryАй бұрын
Here 11 seconds post upload lessgo
@ForceM1782Ай бұрын
I stopped watching when you were done with C-level, because i will always be in C-level 😅
@asterthehedgehog6861Ай бұрын
And all of this is what equals “WORST maps in Splatoon 3”? I hate this entry so much because of the maps and everyone focusing solely on spawn camping each other