How far Ukraine could strike into Russia with UK and US-supplied long-range missiles

[@fToo]

no chance of Germany "finally handing over" the Taurus before their general election in February

[@verdebusterAP]

The problem for Russia is that ATACMS can be launched from the HIMARS which unlike the M270 is highly mobile I fully expect Ukraine to sprint 4 HIMARS in to Russia at different points and launch quick salvos , the pull out quickly

[@josephbingham1255]

The problem for Ukraine, is Russia knows those missiles are operated by Western and NATO technicians.

[@verdebusterAP]

@@josephbingham1255 Yet Ukraine still struck today

[@josephbingham1255]

@@verdebusterAP The Western Industrial Military Complex struck. It's about money and self advancement. The Ukrainians are just pawns.

[@amunra5330]

@@verdebusterAP1 out of 6 missiles launched- pathetic

[@Orbital_Inclination]

​@@amunra5330not really pathetic, it just shows that Russia's IADS is not infallible, but reasonably capable.

[@DarrenHill-k2x]

Killing one another is ridiculous

[@drbendover7467]

If all these missiles, tanks, aircraft, and restrictions where available years ago things would be so different, this is all too little too late:)

[@timmardon6161]

About time!

[@jimcy1319]

You beat me to it.👍

[@just-incase3483]

So you can’t wait for a ww3 to start, so you can send your children to the frontlines ?!?

[@amunra5330]

Er…the Ukrainians have been using ATACMS for over a year now for strikes in Ukraine yet could not turn the tide. It wont make a difference now

[@Orbital_Inclination]

​@@amunra5330striking supply and ammunition depots deeper into Russia has a great strategic effect than hitting forward locations

[@grahamjones3259]

Germany wont hand over Taurus because they know the first thing Ukraine would do with them is take out the Kerch Bridge and isolate Crimea. Ukraine were waiting on the US giving the green light to be allowed access to their military grade GPS, which the UK were asking for when the PM went ton Washington. Hopefully that has now been given.

[@antique-bs8bb]

Take a look at the map - the Kerch Bridge is not critical given that Russia controls so much of Ukraine and there is plenty of shipping across the Kerch strait.

[@trs4u]

If Ukraine really thought the Kerch bridge was worth destroying completely, it would have gone long ago. They seem to be able to hit it when they want to?

[@antique-bs8bb]

@@trs4u You can't take it out with one atacm, it would mean firing a lot of them (one at a time from the launcher) and giving away a lot of detail on where the launcher is. Almost certainly the launcer gets taken out by the far superior Russian missiles by the third launch.

[@richardmarsden5610]

Crimea is connected by airports, ferry ports, rail and road connections from the Donbass and Novorossiya and rest of Russia. Crimea is larger in territory than Wales.

[@antique-bs8bb]

@@richardmarsden5610 This place is gradually being taken over by people who have a clue. Or at least abandoned by the idiots.

[@SusanRoseArt]

Why is humankind so addicted to possession, greed, insanity and killing? This utter madness has got to stop 😢

[@WizardOfCheese]

short and sweet

[@alistairhackney]

3 minutes agai and already bots... wow

[@klimentvoroshilov8273]

Vs Iskander M... 😂😂😂

[@markmonaghan2309]

That's not long range a missile .

[@8888shooter]

No chance of any of this happening, apart from the US missile, which we all know about. 😵‍💫🤔

[@fairlyvague82]

Why does Ukraine need our permission to use them??

[@jakesy2569]

Because everyones been scared to upset Putin

[@paulwalker427]

As using them directly would constitute a war - keep up

[@verdebusterAP]

The West has held on the to vain hope of making Putin see the light and withdraw by pulling restriction on weapons use

[@grahamjesson5464]

They don't have the training to use storm shadow or other expensive kit so effectively our troops will be involved and have been already. Britain has always been an important negotiator to diffuse other peoples conflicts, the loss of our neutrality under boris was a dumb move imho.

[@antique-bs8bb]

@@grahamjesson5464 Yes, or the satelite data to aim them.

[@macklee6837]

This is a stupid move.

[@BigBazz-Clips]

general armchair sir!

[@edudcixelsyd]

Let's risk nuclear armageddon for a country not in NATO 😂@@BigBazz-Clips

[@Orbital_Inclination]

​@@edudcixelsydwhy would Putin use nukes, knowing that would lead to retaliation? He may be a dictator, but he doesn't want the key parts of his nation turned to glass.

[@garagenigel]

​@@edudcixelsydif Putin was going to fire his nuclear weapons he would have done so by now! He's a bluffer!

[@agustyad]

​@@edudcixelsyd and allow a free and democratic country to be invaded in 21st century, so that every other nation starts developing a nuclear arsenal to prevent that from happening to their own nations?

[@gregrarata1042]

Slava Ukraini!

[@danielwhyatt3278]

We can only hope now that this will make some modicum of a difference.

[@elaineklein2385]

It’s only going to make things worse for Ukraine

[@ek8710]

This is bad, this is very very bad.

[@BigBazz-Clips]

for the vatniks

[@Ghost572]

What are you a cartoon character?

[@tomhenry897]

Too late to do anything

[@paulbeyer7291]

don’t give them money to buy the missiles

[@just-incase3483]

Anyone that thinks this is a great idea has never been in a war zone and looked death in the eyes!!

[@clacicle]

Yeah, I’m sure all the Ukrainians feel this way. Of course when you think someone like Putin and Trump are good people, then this surely makes sense.

[@Oxley016]

Putin should have thought of that when he started this illegal evil war.

[@synchc]

@@clacicle T.D.S.

[@clacicle]

@@synchc What does this stand for?

[@benjaminbland3988]

And you have?

[@MasterBG86]

Let's not underestimate Russia nuclear plan 🚦

[@Orbital_Inclination]

What exactly is that? Fire a few nukes in a pathetic tantrum and get turned to glass in retaliation?

[@elaineklein2385]

Now zoom out on that map so people can see that the range is way too short to reach much of anything important

[@paulbeyer7291]

What if it ends up killing a child?

[@elaineklein2385]

@ That’s my point. Those missiles will cause more people to be killed, in both Russia and Ukraine, but they won’t change the outcome of the war - they’re not even long-range enough to hit important military targets. So it’s time (actually long past time) to negotiate for peace instead of firing more missiles

[@mahmoodiqbal6666]

I think you should be thinking how far Russia can strike in to Europe?

[@larsbundgaard5462]

No one gives a ..... about Russia anymore. The bluff has been called.

[@squamd5777]

Irrelevant. No going back now.

[@dexterplameras3249]

If you mean using nukes, then you should think again, because it would mean the end of the world-Mutually Assured Destruction. Pro-Russians always talk about how it is unfair for Ukraine to strike Russia, even though Russia tried to take all of Ukraine by force.

[@gordonmac3616]

They are stupid - but not suicidal

[@trickydicky90]

Don't you think Europe would have scenario planned out already.

[@English.Andy1]

190 - 200 miles isn’t far compared to the sheer size of Russia. The Russian will simply move back & then counter attack

[@Orbital_Inclination]

It still elongates their supply lines

[@christopherrobinson7541]

A major issue for Ukraine is bomber aircraft launching wing equipped FAB onto their frontline. By striking the bases from which these aircraft operate the bombers will have to fly further and at higher altitude to hit the the frontline. This will give more time to detect and intercept such raids.

[@josephbingham1255]

Just giving Russia the incentive to stop holding back.

[@BigBazz-Clips]

lmao how exactly are they not holding back?

[@IanH7489]

@@BigBazz-Clips Russia could do alot more. Don't believe everyone that says they can't.

[@robertscott961]

@@IanH7489 Haahhhhhahahhhhahhhh... Now thats funny... You should be a stand up comedian..

[@IanH7489]

@@robertscott961 I have been watching the military channels years before the war started, i have seen the weapons they have. People like you are biased, but im not on either side so i don't mind saying it.

[@robertscott961]

@@IanH7489 I have been waiting a thousand days already..... How much longer should i wait......

[@dennycraig8483]

How come Germany can still make better weapons. They should have never fought The Painter..😂

[@IanH7489]

They have the best engineers in the world.

[@antique-bs8bb]

We know the answer to this. Ukraine could strike 50 miles into Russia. Any further and they need US or UK help which makes US or UK a legitimate target of Russia. Ain't going to happen. Besides Ukraine has been lost for over 2 years. But the demilitarisation of both Ukraine AND Nato takes time. Nearly over.

[@Orbital_Inclination]

No, it does not make the UK or US valid targets, in the same way that Iran supplying Russia also doesn't drag them into being an active part of the conflict.

[@landieman6044]

​@Orbital_Inclination so are ukraine operators going to launch and guide these missiles, are ukraine satellites going to be used in there guidance? Surely if not, this makes the whole thing nato offensive.

[@Orbital_Inclination]

​@@landieman6044storm shadows are launched from within Ukraine, either by air or modified land vehicles. They are not guided by an operator during flight, but pre-programmed. As for satellite data, there's nothing about sharing intelligence that makes a nation an active participant in a conflict, and tbf there are plenty of civilian satellite companies that Ukraine can use for that purpose. Does Iran supplying kamikaze drones also make them an active participant, or do you only apply that logic to Western nations?

[@terryharris1291]

Ukraine has been striking deep into russia with its own drones for along time now ,but they need ones with bigger payloads and better targeting.After nearly a 1000 days it seems russia has demilitarized its self,down to attacking on golf carts and little motor bikes.

[@antique-bs8bb]

@@terryharris1291 oh dear you really don't get it do you. almost a million Ukrainians dead. The motorbikes are very effective (old WW2 tactic). 4 or 5 men draw fire (they are probably ex-prisoners) and scarper. Very observant Drones and other tech identifies the targets. Those massive bombs 500lb - 1000lb with fins added get dropped from 50 miles away and hit the targets accurately. Hundreds of Ukrainians get killed for each man on a motorbike.

[@whya2ndaccount]

Not really objective to use emotive terms like "finally hand over". How about just sticking to the facts?

[@Mr-ms2qo]

🤯 How to be delusional

[@luciussander8217]

Explain? Is this you or your mother?