How Far Will A Shotgun Kill Game? (.410) - 003

[@Me2Lancer]

For years I carried a .410 with 3" shells #6 shot. Hunted daily and almost always took game. Limited shots to no more than 30 yards.

[@locandro1]

I'm so glad to have come across this video on the practical and ethical aspect of hunting with a .410.

[@bryanoliver5550]

Got the job done with your single shot .410 shotgun , and to the point . The .410 gauge can be surprising while hunting .

[@omgnothingisavl]

Just getting my 8yr old his first .410 for clays. This video was helpful. Thanks.

[@dbx1233]

Thanks for the information, it is very helpful. Being from the U.S. and trying to read the comments with heavy Englsh accents is quite difficult. lol

[@whosaidyoucandance]

Good useful video Johnny, thanks for that. Much appreciated. Would be great to see the pattern sheets a little more closely, hard to see those little #6 holes! Hey, I hope you're doing OK during Lockdown!

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

Inside of 25 yards, the 410 bore is deadly on most small game, between 25 and 40, you must be an expert shot. The 28 bore is much more capable due to its shorter shot column for the same weight of shot. Pro tip : use a modified, not a full choke with these smaller guns. This will reduce the deformation of the pellets leading to better shot patterns.

[@thekid9989]

The grouse in my photo was taken with a .410 at 15 yards. Most grouse in Ontario Canada are taken around that yard mark. One of the reasons the .410 is becoming popular again.

[@codyspratt6312]

Yep that’s all I use is 410 for grouse and I get em flying too

[@serverlan763]

I never really thought pattering like that is accurate because the shot doesn't all arrive at the same time and the bird is moving so i cant see how a pattern target could be indicative or what is actually going on.

[@4gauge10]

The secret to having tight patterns with the smaller gauges is using harder shot,the higher the antimony,the better. The BEST type of shot to use in the .410 is nickel plated copper shot,I have found that nickel plated copper shot averages about another 10-12% denser core patterns at long range(30 yards or more),especially with number 4,5 or 6 shot.

[@4gauge10]

I sincerely appreciate that information knowing that and I will be using that brand to see if I can make the patterns even tighter yet and my 410’s.

[@rupertmcnaughtdavis3649]

Definitely works!

[@williambeasley2582]

I try to limit my shots to between 25 and 30 yards when I use the 410.

[@fredaewalker2665]

Shoot a 410 exclusively on driven game, pheasant, partridge and duck. I mainly load my own shells 19gr of SP3 18.5grams No 6 non toxic, fibre wad in a 3 inch Fiocchi case. I restrict myself to estimated 40yrds maximum as on full choke my gun shoots a 30 inch pattern at 35yrds. On that criteria I never feel out of it, just up to me to put it in the pattern.

[@KateRobinson1961]

I always use Remington or Winchester 3 inch magnum loads in my Parkemy .410

[@timcruddas-football1922]

Great vid, can you show how they get on with clays?

[@jeremyfoss505]

Here in Minnesota, USA there are very thick swamps full of cat tails. Often hunters will use heavy 12 gauge loads(Even turkey loads sometimes) so the birds do not run into the swamps, it can be a big pain to try and find them, even with dogs. The downside is, not to shoot them if they are too close, or you won't have any bird left to clean! lol.

[@TeapotDaz]

Good results and very informative Johnny, however the cost of a 19g .410 would lead me to use a 21g 12 bore. I had a 28 bore some years ago, excellent gun but thr 24g cartridges became too expensive.

[@doomfathertm8771]

I use a 20gram number 4 if I miss I miss, but if I get a hit, it's down!

[@martinhambleton5076]

What cartridge manufacturer is your best results with?

[@stevencaldwell838]

Seeing that this video was made 4 years ago… today, with 410 tss loads of #7.5-#9 shot, a 410 is very lethal at 40 yards and can be good up to 60 yards! Tss changed the game!

[@tgsoutdoors]

No doubt! Hard to get in the U.K. as the volume of shooting we do here makes that sort of thing cost prohibitive. I’d love to try a box though!

[@fredaewalker2665]

You must be rich!!!!

[@sidsteverson1005]

I have the same gun in 12 ga. They kick like hell

[@charleskittler4330]

John we would use a empty soda can to see if 5 shot 3 inch XR Long Beard Winchester 12 ga could penetrate both side to ensure a kill of a turkey at 47 yards....Anyway this worked in practice and real turkey hunting..

[@peternystrom921]

Good Test, tests like this iw what made me subscribe to this channel.

[@charlessmith4242]

It all has to do with shot size and the pattern your gun throws at the distance your shooting your birds. Not clays,since one pellet can break a claybird but may not kill a pheasant. It does not matter which gauge your using the muzzle energy of the load your shooting will be similar. (I'm talking standard loads here to keep things simple.) What does matter is the killing energy of a pellet at the time it strikes the bird,the body size and tenacity of that bird, and the amount of pellets needed to cleanly kill that bird! Pattern is important only as a guide to what your gun will do at a given distance with a given size of shot. What is so often over looked is what I said above. Your not breaking a claybird, your trying to harvest a beautiful living creature that deserves nothing less than a quick clean kill!

[@eduffy4937]

Muzzle energy doesnt equate to dead birds. Retaimed energy does. Tungsten super shot#8.5 is deadlier than #2 steel. #2 steel loses energy so incredobly fast its just barely adequate.

[@martinhambleton5076]

I regularly shoot a 4/10 on driven days choked at 3/4 and full. Three inch magnums by various manufacturers with 4 and 5 shot. I would say that heavy choking and heavy shot size is the key to shooting a 4/10 successfully ie killing cleanly.

[@rupertmcnaughtdavis3649]

I agree.

[@eduffy4937]

Tungsten super shot#8. I cleanly take birds at 50 yards on the regular with them. Tiny dense, deep penetrating rock hard shot outdoes the 20ga shooting 3"#2steel

[@martinhambleton5076]

@@eduffy4937 It's whatever works for you. The best cartridges that I have shot through my 4/10, is the Clever Mirage three inch magnum. In my gun they performed significantly better than anything else I have tried. They are plastic wad of course 19.5 grams. I have patterned these up to sixtyfive yards. In terms of the amount of pellets on paper, and penetration in the piece of wood behind, was excellent. The trouble I have now is getting Clever Mirage cartridges. Nobody seems to have any and I am down to my last 1300. There is definitely great fun to be had with small bores both with game and claying. I started some years ago and bought a Kofs 4/10 and 28 bore, choosing not to spend too much money just in case it wasn't for me. Since then I have given those to my son and bought a Caesar Guerini Magnus in both 28 bore, and 4/10. Either are great to carry around on a game day as you get older. Good Hunting!

[@Blondejam]

My friend had a BSA .410 when we were about 12 and used to run around shooting coke cans for a laugh. I am now 58, how times have changed lololololololol

[@timhallas4275]

If you cannot chamber 3.5 inch shells, then go to a larger shot. A 3 inch .410 with #3 shot will kill Pheasant or even turkey with only one pellet hitting the body. With #6 you are depending on getting multiple hits.

[@wholeNwon]

Hunters often go into the field over-gunned.

[@wholeNwon]

@Gys Seacord Shooting gauges and loads far in excess of what is needed for the game. At the end of a long day, it makes a difference in fatigue factor.

[@charlessmith4242]

@@wholeNwon So a 71/2 pound gun is to heavy for you to carry, but you can do just dandy with a 6? I think your body is telling you to get in shape! Over gunned rather under brained. Your not out there breaking clays, that's a live bird. If you are going to harvest it, it surely demands the respect off a clean kill to the best of your abilities!

[@wholeNwon]

@@charlessmith4242 "Under brained"? Well, "your" #2 should be "you're". I don't know what my 20b Sauer weighs but it is significantly (for me) less than any of my 12b Parkers. At my advanced age, it makes a difference. The energy per pellet is the same whether 12 b. or 20 b. I don't take 50 yd. shots, so, even the modified barrel produces a nicely dense pattern. I also don't attempt shots that I'm not very confident of making. Clean kills are definitely absolute rules...no exceptions ever.

[@charlessmith4242]

@@wholeNwon I'll stick with my " under brain" comment. You seem happy to make your points about my mistake in using the wrong word" your instead of you're ". Make your points where you can because some of your rebuttal lacks credibility. What is a 20b,or a 12b? Never heard of such a firearm. You're right about the energy produced per size of shot as being the same regardless of gauge. The problem that arises is how adequate is the pattern? You're not chipping clays, you're trying to make as humane a shot as possible. I don't know what type of hunting you do? If you are able to walk all day, a 61/2lb. gun vs. a 71/2lb. gun is not much different! If it is, I stand by statement, and you would benefit from an exercise program. If you do your shooting (not hunting) standing on a line waiting for the birds to be driven to you, then use whatever gun you choose. As long as you can make clean kills! I do applaud you on keeping your shots matched to your abilities. Most people do not have your control.

[@14goldmedals]

Your cameraman totally blew it today. The camera should have never left the target while you narrated your analysis and we had enough time to actually spot the holes. Early on he had the lighting correct for the target viewing with the hole shadows being easier to spot. Later on he switched sides which illuminated your face better but we already know what you look like and the target holes became almost impossible to see added to the camera being panned back and forth like a top loader washing machine agitator. I hope in future target analysis videos we see 90% target and 10% of your facial expressions because they are funny.

[@JohnPork912]

Totally agree video basically was ruined. I didn’t see one pellet hole.

[@richardc6932]

I have to agree with the comments, I couldn’t see many of the shot holes. The camera should have focused tight up on the target, not the shooter. As far as a solid kill, I have learned after 50+ years of upland bird hunting on and off a preserve I wouldn’t rate a 410 for anything over 30 yards and for me 25 yards. I’m talking a clean kill where I watched far too many shooters cripple a bird at 30 yards with a 12 bore and #6 shot.

[@rupertmcnaughtdavis3649]

Sometimes I think I shoot better with my .410 double than I do with my 12 bores. From South Africa.

[@martinleicht5911]

Well done mate !! 👍🍺

[@chrisjohnson4165]

Thing is, the 410 has the longest shot column of all shotguns, and the bird is moving through it. Pattern plates don't tell the whole story at all. BTW I bought some Cheddite 410 24 gramme cartridges a few years ago. About 1 in 10 didn't fire properly, but those that worked were amazing.

[@martinhambleton5076]

Bloody Hell, 24 gram 4/10?

[@chrisjohnson4165]

@@martinhambleton5076 Yes, there isn't really enough room, so the 'wad' was very thin cork, which sometimes works.

[@Thoseaboutto911]

Could you have marked the Pellet hose with marker So we could see

[@scootertrash911]

With my reloads I could kill doves at 60 yards and in with my .410. I used rifle powder and 1/2 oz of shot out of a 3 in hull. I was AA Class in Sporting Clays so I shot a lot.

[@scootertrash911]

The speed on the reloads was 1400.

[@timothymaynor9791]

There was one shot I done that absolutely was a one in a million with my .410. I was hunting one day behind my house, I walked through a field. I saw a bird in a tree. It was about 75-80 yard shot. I thought I’ll miss but I’ll try. I threw up my Rossi youth model and when the bead was in front of the bird I let it rip, and down went the bird. I only hit it with one pellet but it was a one shot one kill. The pellet that hit it, hit it in the tongue. I mean God had to have his hand on me and line the stars up for that shot. I may never do that again.

[@ogwillakers4989]

I had a similar experience with my .410 shooting #6 I hit a rabbit with 2 bb's between the eyes from 80 yards I couldn't believe it!

[@HDMIGAMER]

My Daughter is 10 she wants to start clay shooting I have a 12 bore and I said it would be too much kick what gun would you recommend

[@mattsheed9671]

410 or a 28 bore to start with.

[@thekid9989]

If you were Canadian, I would say 20ga or 410. It is hard to find the other bores around here.

[@alexgriffin8399]

28 is fantastic for a youngster

[@wholeNwon]

@@alexgriffin8399 And an adult.

[@4gauge10]

The very BEST choice is a"youth sized"20 gauge by BrowninG,the BPS in a youth model would be perfect for her. It features bottom ejection,with a top-tang safety,(much safer then a cross-bolt safety by far) plus it has a overbored barrel(cuts recoil considerably and tightens patterns)has screw in chokes with choke wrench 🔧⬅. Now,Fiocchi makes what is called"beginner loads"for the 20 gauge,these are 3/4 of an ounce,which is what the older .410 3"-inch loads used to be,the 28 gauge also uses these very same 3/4 ounce loads...but wait!!,there's more!!... The 20 gauge is a gauge your daughter can grow into as she grows up,the 20-bore can be used with 3"inch magnum turkey loads that are capable of 1-5/8ths.ounces on the"heavy end"of the scale!!. Ammo is HALF the price of the .410 or 28 gauge,plus these guns are the same physical weight as the 20 gauge,so if you investigate what I'm saying,you'll find out it's very true. So in the long-run,you'll save money on not having to buy a bigger shotgun later on,plus the ammo is cheap,so this means the 20-bore is about the best-bang-for-the-buck🔫

[@bubbajones5905]

Hull claims a velocity of 1400 fps for their 19 gram load. No US 11/16 OZ .410 load comes close to that. It would be very interesting to shoot that over a chronograph.

[@tgsoutdoors]

I wish we had a chronograph capable of accurate shotgun velocity readings!

[@4gauge10]

Those velocities blow the pattern too,you want to stay between 1,100 to no higher then 1,200 FPS in ANY gauge shotgun.

[@jeffreese4194]

@@4gauge10 really?

[@bumblesquatt]

@@4gauge10 Talking utter crap

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

@@4gauge10 A lower velocity doesn't beat the shot up as much while going through the forcing cone and the choke. This leads to less deformation and of the shot. This is conducive to better shot patterns and cleaner kills.

[@nedroberts5600]

What brand of single shot are you using?

[@dennisdunlop1773]

Is it safe to shoot 410 rifled slug through a full choke ????

[@karl5633]

Manufacturers assume they will be

[@aeron-mw7ofs]

Where do you get your boards from ?

[@tgsoutdoors]

From Hull Cartridge. All dealers can order them in

[@Jolly56Roger]

try some Fiocchi 3" 😉😉😉😉

[@clarky4492]

Then green mean boy work well

[@dougcobb8114]

i see no patten on the target presented....so test is null as presented on video......

[@stanford2444]

6's would kill a pheasant early season close range, but I don't believe it would kill a December pheasant with winter plummage in the upper Midewest even with a 12 gauge at 40 yards

[@Jenbak]

Can’t see the shot pattern. Better pick a better target. How bout splatter targets?

[@timhallas4275]

The coolest feature of a single shot .410 shotgun is that while you are out bird or rabbit hunting in the bush, a bear or coyote shows up, you can drop a 44 Remington magnum in the chamber, and put him down.

[@igorlifanov8333]

i can see nothing on your targets

[@bruced.370]

You never really showed the paper marks. Please focus on target and explain not on your face.

[@666RitaRita]

The distance coupled with the angle of the camera was to the target didn't give the viewer any chance to see for themself the spread . This was useless .

[@MrAnkurbarua]

camera girl could do a better job

[@dougcooley8150]

my 410 will kill at 30 yds anything flying

[@Lord-Snowflake]

I don't like how the Gun is folded in half, and/or just swings like a limp fallace when you walk with it. Seems a bit disrespectful for the maker of the gun. A .410 is a great little cartridge, and it helped to teach my Daughter,,and me how to shoot.